1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Oh good time. By Steve Tasker. Touch Down, touch Down, 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Touch downtime. Welcome to one Bill's Live Steve Tasker along 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: with my co host Josh Reid, Channel four Sports director, 4 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning journalist. Wow, I'm I'm on it. They 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: can't let me do this by myself. They gotta bring 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: somebody out and finally we got an eighteen guy in. 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in. We'll see, we'll judge that at 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: the end. And right now, you're bumming because it is beautiful. 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: It is so nice. I thought you had a little 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: more poll around here. I thought, you know, hey, no 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: coming over here. I thought Steve's gonna find a way 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: to get us outside. Gonna be good to go. It's 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: gonna be eighty five degree it is. We're gonna need 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: some sunscreen, and here we are. Yeah, thanks for coming in, man, 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: that's absolutely it's good to see. We've never worked before war. No, 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: this is great. So you well, we've never worse before. 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: We never worked. Don't don't think. Don't let people think. 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: We've never got a good thing going on. Want to 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: let out of but out of the bank. I've never 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: really had a real job and just another one. I've 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: really really had. But uh, you grew up south of Cleveland, 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: just what town just south of Cleveland, grew up in, uh, 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: just outside of Kent, Ohio, between Kent and Youngstown, Ohio. Okay, 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: I grew up in uh Salem, Ohio is where it's 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: called um it's uh you know, as you can imagine 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: small town USA and in Ohio. Listen, I know small 27 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: town USA. High school football obviously ruled ruled the world. 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: So I mean, and then you went to Kent State 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: and then went spent ten years in Harrisburg. Well, I 30 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: spent ten years at Kent State as well. Yeah, it 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: felt like ten years at times, but I spent five 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: years in college, so I know, yeah, it was it 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: was good though. I went to Kent State and then 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: uh first job was in Hagerstown, Maryland. Actually it's really 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: really small station there. You know, kind of one of 36 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: those deals where you get a chance to get in 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: this industry, you go wherever you can go. That plus 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: you do everything you ed, you shoot, you every every 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: you pick up coffees for people, you're running scripts around. 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely that you probably didn't do that because when I 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: was broken most of the time. So when I was 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: when I interned. Everything was still done with paper. Yeah, 43 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: so I was. They'd have like they'd print the copies 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: out and there was white, pink, yellow, and blue. We 45 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: couldn't at the small station, we didn't have different colors 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: because that wasn't we couldn't afford. It was all it 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: was here in town. I interned it Channel seven and 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I was running scripts around. They they print them out 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: and you'd have to tear like the yellow one went 50 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: to the director, the blue one went to the producer, 51 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: the white one went to the talent, right, so they 52 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: So I was running that around. I was logging tape. 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: But now you know, nothing, everything's nothing print. Yeah, every 54 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: nothing's printed. You don't run anything around, you send it. Yeah, 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: you know that's so it's but yeah, that's back major myself. 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah right, but I remember that you did everyonen't that 57 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: long ago? I mean yeah, And then I went to 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: as you said, I went. It was in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: for ten years. Um, that was great, and then four 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: years ago landed the sports director job here. It was 61 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: lucky enough to land here. When you in Harrisburg, you 62 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: covered like Leshaun mccordy did high school and my kid, 63 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: I remember when he was at Bishop McDevitt. And then 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, right before he broke his ankle. I don't know, 65 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people know this by now, 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: but he broke his ankle at the end of his 67 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: high school career, and I mean it was bad. I mean, 68 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: he shattered his ankle. I mean he was he had 69 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: full rides to every every place, I mean, and and 70 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: most of the places yanked him, yanked the scholarships. And 71 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: when that happened, one of the one of these schools 72 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: that didn't was Pit. And to this day you asked 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: Leshawan and you bring up the name Dave Jonstat to Leshawn, 74 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: that's his guy. That is his guy, because he stayed 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: in He stayed in the ring with him, and and 76 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: it was a pretty good, pretty good decision by Dave Wonstat. 77 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, to this day, he's one of the best 78 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: tailbacks in Pit history. I know because I didn't know 79 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: who Lashawn McCoy was. I only knew I only knew 80 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: his name. I was working for CBS at the time, 81 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: and some of the off weekend, not off weekends, some 82 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: weekends I would add on a Sunday night gig or 83 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: a Monday night game as a sideline reporter for Westwood One, 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: I'd go in and I'd do it for Kevin Harland 85 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: Boomer as Siason and these guys and as all of 86 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: us in Western New York. No, there's always NFC East 87 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: teams on primetime game. So you're you're doing Philly, Washington, 88 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: You're doing Philly, Dallas, You're doing Dallas and New York Giants, 89 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: Giants against Chicago's one of these big market teams on 90 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: these night games. So I'm on the sidelines in Philly 91 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: or maybe as Washington and there, and they're playing Philly, Philly, Washington, Philly, Dallas, Philly, whoever. 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: And I'm watching these guys playing. I know the names 93 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: of the guys obviously because you do that and you 94 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: kind of but you've never seen him play, right, And 95 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: not only haven't ever seen him play. I'm standing on 96 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: the sidelines, so I'm on the down marker right there, right, 97 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: so I'm watching him close and I start to see 98 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: this guy as Michael Westbrook. You know this is a team. 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: I see this guy Lashawn McCoy. I'm like, who is 100 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: that guy? I mean, he was unbelievable at the even 101 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: at the pro level. This wasn't pro this wasn't college 102 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: like high school like you is. I was watching like 103 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: a who is that guy? And then the day comes 104 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: when LaShaun McCoy's gonna be a Buffalo Bill, I'm like going, 105 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: who is the drunk dude? Who traded that guy? What 106 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: is he on? I couldn't believe it? And that's and 107 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: here he is now in Buffalo. You know, three later, 108 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: he's had he's had a great run here. Yeah. And 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean going back to what you were talking about 110 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: when he was with the Eagles, I mean Brian Westbrook, 111 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean that central Pennsylvania crowd because obviously he went 112 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: to Pitt right, you know, and then he's very icono 113 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: in the state of Pennsylvania. He's that guy. And if 114 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: you get on social media at any point, it's all 115 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: we'd love to have you back in Philly. We want 116 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: the Eagles to trade for you. It's always something about 117 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: come back to Philly, blah blah blah blah. But he, 118 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: you know, he went to Pitt then and then went 119 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: went to Philadelphia, and I mean he you know, he 120 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: was battling Westbrook, who was a really, really good running back, 121 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: and I mean he got a few touches his rookie year, 122 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: and then after that, Westbrook couldn't keep him off the 123 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: field because he was dynamic. And until last year, that 124 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: rookie season was the was the lowestest numbers had ever been, right, 125 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean you look back at it and if you 126 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: go down and look at um Leshawn's career and you think, well, 127 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: what happened is rookie year? You know, I mean because 128 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: he Westbrook, Yeah exactly, he just nobody knew him before that. 129 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: He's like he had like what was it. Let's see 130 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: he had and that doesn't say how many games, how 131 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: many touches he had, but he had like, oh yeah, 132 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty five attempts, Yeah, you know, one 133 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: hundred fifty five and he was the second and got 134 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: in the back just under ten touches of game, six 135 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven yards average four yards, you know, 136 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: just like you know, you kind of thinking average forty 137 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: yards a game, had four tds, had along and sixty 138 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was it was, you know, a guy 139 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: just kind of breaking in. Then you know, then the 140 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: next year he's got a thousand and eighty, then he's 141 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: got thirteen hundred, and then he had an injury year. 142 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: We only had eight hundred and he had sixteen hundo 143 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: in thirteen and thirteen hundred and fourteen, and he's he's 144 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: killing it, and all of a sudden he gets traded 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: to Buffalo right at the height of it. Yeah, right 146 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: at the top, and that I think everybody was in 147 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: shock and just like what are they doing? But keep 148 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: in mind, remember that was chip Kelly. Chip Kelly get it. 149 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: That was chip Kelly wanting to culture Trump's. He wanted 150 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: to show that he his brains were bigger than the 151 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: talent that was on the field at the end of 152 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: the day, and he didn't think he needed a lot 153 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: of these playmakers. And then well we see chip Kelly's 154 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: spent in the NFL. I'll say this long. It's become 155 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: a mandred because because Sean McDermott said it, and then lately, uh, 156 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: somebody else said I think Greg Williams said it. The 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator the je said culture Trump's X Trump's strategy. 158 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Culture Trump's strategy is the is the big thing. And 159 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: I agree with that culture doesn't trump talent. No, you 160 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: got it. I got a good one for you. This 161 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: was I covered obviously being in Harrisburg for a decade. 162 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: I covered Penn State football right for ten years, so 163 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: I covered Joe Paterno's teams. Joe Paterno was. His famous 164 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: saying was that it's all about Jimmy's and Joe's. It's 165 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: not about XS and o's and there it is. I mean, 166 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: it's all about having guys that can that can play 167 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: the game. I mean, at the end of the day, 168 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: you gotta have guys that can play, and I gotta 169 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: I got a good I got a really good Lashawn 170 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: story for you. He had a game in high school 171 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: where he scored six touchdowns and one half. It was 172 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: a state playoff game. He scored six touchdowns and one half. 173 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: After the game, I mean, they blew this team out. 174 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: After the game, the players from the other team stood 175 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: outside of the team bus because it was an away 176 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: game and and asked for his autograph. I mean, that's 177 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: that's that's something special there. I mean, I had a 178 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: chance to see I had a chance to see some 179 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: good ones in their high school years. I saw Lebron 180 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: play in high school and he was ridiculous. I mean 181 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: that was next level good. But I mean Lashawn was 182 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: in high school about as close as it gets, and 183 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: you know that, how about this is a good one. 184 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: You know Ricky Waters went to the same high schools lesha, 185 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: Oh really they went to the same high school. Ricky 186 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: about this is a great player, pretty good tailbacks, right, Yeah, 187 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: you talk about Jimmies and Joe's and x's and knows. 188 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: I was sitting when I first started my broadcast career 189 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety eight. We were at we had 190 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: a seminar, and we always had it in New It's 191 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: always and even this year they're having in New York 192 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: and I won't be there, but um, they bring all 193 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: the talent in. That's the new the new guys. They're 194 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna be doing analysts work from the booth. They bring 195 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: the studio guys in and they bring the stuff. And 196 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: back then they started, back when they started, Jerry Glanville 197 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: was there. It was a year or two after that, 198 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: maybe he's eighty nine, eight ninety, but they had Jerry Glanville, 199 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: they had George Seaffert, Mike Ditka was on that, Sam 200 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: Weish was was in the fold, and we had this 201 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: big we had this little thing at the seminar where 202 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: the local media, the New York Beat writers would come 203 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: in and talk to CBS about their coverage of the 204 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: NFL this year, that kind of thing, and they say, 205 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: these are the teams or this is you know, Kevin Harland, 206 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: rich Gannon or this you know. Back then it was 207 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Sam Wish and these guys. And so they had this 208 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: table where it was Sam Wish, Mike Did, Jerry Glanville, 209 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: and I think George Seaffert was there, right, So all 210 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: these kind of good, pretty good coaching, right, and they're 211 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: talking about how is it coaches? Is it? Players? Is 212 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: it was it? And Sam Wish looked around at the 213 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: table and they asked it of the group, and Sam goes, listen, 214 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't know about these guys, but one year I 215 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: was the village idiot as a head coach. I mean 216 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I couldn't you know. I couldn't 217 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: even put my own socks on. They thought I was 218 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: so stupid. And then then the next year I was 219 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: Coach of the Year in the AFC. And the reason 220 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: was I got some different players. I got some good players, 221 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: and I go, I don't know what these guys think, 222 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: but when I got good players, I became a really 223 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: good coach and all those other guys Mike did coach 224 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: j they were all going, that's you know, that's the secret. 225 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: I can give me some good players I can coach 226 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: and they they're most coaches are humble enough to know 227 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: when you get great players, your job becomes a little 228 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: bit easier and your margin of air becomes a little 229 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: bit more, you know, tolerable, and you know to hear 230 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: coaches talk about the players and it's it's true. You 231 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: get a guy like LaShaun McCoy at the high school level, 232 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: they stand out. Oh, it's like watching somebody play a 233 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: different sport. That's why the NFL is so compelling to watch. 234 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: At high school, you'll get a guy like LaShaun McCoy 235 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: who is on a rocket train. Towards the NFL. You'll 236 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: get a Ricky Waters who's on a rocket train. You 237 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: get these guys who is who are different, and they 238 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: stand out because they're gonna play with they're playing with 239 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: guys on their own team led alone the other team 240 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: who are gonna go divid three or not play college football, 241 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: or they're they're you know, their track athletes who are 242 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: just doing football because they got buddies on the team, 243 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: or their baseball guys or their lacrosse guys that they 244 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: didn't have a lacrosse team this year, so they're gonna 245 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: play football. Think at these guys that it's not a 246 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: thing for them in football that jumps out, you know, 247 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: the difference makers jump out at you. Um, like Lebron 248 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: in high school. Yeah, I mean, it was like you're 249 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: playing against kids who aren't gonna play college athletics, should 250 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: be playing And next year he's playing at the highest 251 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: level on the planet in the NBA and in eighteen 252 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: high school nineteen NBA. Right, So you get that kind 253 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: of thing, and it happens in football. Um, that's why 254 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: the NFL. You get the NFL, And it's like that 255 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: in the NBA. You you get guys who are good 256 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: enough to go early in football you can't. You gotta 257 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: wait a couple of years. And I think for good reason. 258 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: But there is the bottom of the talent pool is 259 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: way up now because the vetting process is so it's 260 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: the talent level is so distilled. The same thing in 261 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: the NBA, And that's why I think at some point 262 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: the rosters probably need to be bigger. You know, in 263 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: my opinion, I think that because football, Yes, because I 264 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: think that there are some guys who can play in 265 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: the league. As you mentioned that the pools small. I mean, 266 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: there are some guys that should be playing in the 267 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: league that they probably aren't getting a sniff quite yet, 268 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: and if they did, I think would would be would 269 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: be able to stay. You're preaching the car listen, I've 270 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: I've long said that in the perfect scenario, there's two 271 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: p and Murph crushes me for the no. Two preseason games. 272 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: Like it. Two preseason games, eighteen regular season games. You 273 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: start three weeks or four weeks earlier than they do now, 274 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: and then the entire league gets a labor day bye week. Sure, 275 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: then every team gets another bye week later in the season. 276 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: You enlarge the game day rosters and the regular rosters 277 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: from fifty three to like sixty to fifty eight or sixty, 278 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: and everybody sits down, except for maybe a handful of 279 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: designated players. Everybody sits down. Yeah, that's the tricky two games. 280 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: That's the tricky for two games is who who is 281 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: who sits and who's who's eligible to play? And nobody's 282 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: the tricky. And here's the thing. It runs the full 283 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: spectrum of what it means. So obviously if you're gonna 284 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: sit down your starting quarterback, that's a huge difference maker. 285 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: You sit down your left guard, yeah, you know, not 286 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: so much. Or you sit down your kick returner. We'll 287 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: fair catch it this week, you know that kind of thing. 288 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: So there's all kinds of level of difference, and you 289 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: can each team can say, listen, we're gonna we're not 290 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: gonna designate our starting quarterback. We're gonna go with two quarterbacks. 291 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna run a platoons whatever we want, you know, 292 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: or whatever. Or we're gonna sit our starting quarterback because 293 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: we've got you know, we're gonna play the Cleveland Browns 294 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: and you know three years ago they're gonna go in sixteen, 295 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: so we can we can afford to sit our quarterback 296 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: against them. I love how this conversation started with a 297 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: sean and we got all the way back around to 298 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: your argument. Right, Your argument about it goes to roster size, 299 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: goes to roster sizeize. But I do think that they 300 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: need to become the roster. What's going to be the 301 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: different I mean, what's really the difference it by expanding 302 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: the roster by a couple even if even if the 303 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: money thinner, it does. But last time I checked, there's 304 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: plenty of money in the NFL spreads the money thinner. 305 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: But also, um, there's a couple of things it gives. 306 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: By expanding the roster from spanning the regular season schedule 307 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: by two games, it's twelve and a half percent more 308 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: product that television gets. So if you raised one hundred 309 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: and eighty three million dollars salary cap by twelve percent, 310 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: let's do the math. That's big. I can't do the math. 311 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm a journal So that so all of a sudden, 312 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: those are a lot of money, those five roster spots. Yeah, 313 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: you can afford those. Yeah, you know. Um, I just 314 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: think it makes a lot of sense. It gives instead 315 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: of and I think it would do one thing for 316 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: the NFL. It would really weaken the appetite for the 317 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: XFLA for the AF. Sure, it's all of the other staff. 318 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: And the question is at what point and should does 319 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: the NFL really really really need to look into Hey, 320 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: we need a minor league system, like a legit minor 321 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: league system like they have in baseball, like that, I 322 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: mean even basketball is kind of you know, they I 323 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't say they've gone full in with their minor league team, 324 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: but they do. They have the Developmental League, they have 325 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: the d leagues, So I mean it's there. I just 326 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you're getting guys who are you know, I 327 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I think guys who are just getting left 328 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: behind because there's no place for them to go to 329 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: get developed after they get out of college. And yeah, 330 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: it's hard to jump into the NFL from from high 331 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: school because of the physical told the physical investments you've 332 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: got to be able to make. And the NBA is 333 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: a little different because if you have you ever watched 334 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: an NBA team, like been standing outside of a a locker 335 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: room when they walk out, it's ridiculous. Yeah. Different, they're 336 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: put together different. Yeah, they're genetically different. They're all freakishly tall, 337 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: freakishly athletic, and that happens a little that presents itself 338 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: a little younger in life than football players who have 339 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: to kind of get kind of get massive and kind 340 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: of get a little maturity on their frame to get there. 341 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: You can't coach height. You can coach everything else, but 342 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: you know, an NBA team, it becomes pretty evident if 343 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: a guy's physically able to do that. I was, I 344 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: was talking to I went to a few years ago. 345 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: We were doing an Indianapolis Colts game and somebody else 346 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: and as a as a sideline, they let us go 347 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: to the Butler game, which is just down the road 348 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: there Indianapolis. Right, the Butler was playing. I think they 349 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: were playing Virginia. Was it Virginia or Yukon. Anyway, there's 350 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: a big game, big game, and or maybe it's Villanova, 351 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: I can't remember, but it's a big time game. The 352 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: team was number one in the country that was coming 353 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: in to play Butler and right, and so the place 354 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: was going crazy and Butler upside them and it was great. 355 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: And I saw a guy. We had tickets obviously provided 356 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: by Butler, right, so we were sitting kind of not 357 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: quite court side. We had some good seats, and there 358 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: was like having to be a young guy, you know, 359 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: kind of dress he was obviously he was a very 360 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: serious dude, and he was watching the game pretty seriously. Right, 361 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: So we go back and I noticed him. He's had 362 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: seats obviously the same section as us, close to us. 363 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: It was like Butler gave him his seats too. So 364 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: I see I go back to the hotel and they said, 365 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: there's the guy, right, the kid that was sitting there. 366 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: I go, hey, I saw the game today. He goes, yeah, 367 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: he's I'm here scouting for the Hawks, the Atlanta Hawks, 368 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: And we were talking about the players that were there, 369 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: and he said, he said, well, the guy's good, this 370 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: guy's good. That guy who was looking at this guy? 371 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, what about that other guy? 372 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: And he goes, well yeah, And I go, I he's 373 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: not genetically different enough, right, He's not gifted enough. Right. 374 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: He goes, no, he's not athletic enough. It's amazing to 375 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: an NBA body, You're right, it's amaze. And a similar 376 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: story to that, I was at a UB game this 377 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: year and I sat right next to one of the 378 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: Celtics scouts and I'm watching some of the best player 379 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: there's ever play at UB and I'm going, man, these 380 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: guys are good. I mean the c J. Massenberg's Nick 381 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Perkins and and I sat and talked to him and 382 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I mean they're good college basketball players, 383 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: but good good doesn't cut it on that next level. 384 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be special. So it's the one 385 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: percent that's making it to the one percent. Yeah, And 386 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: it's it's the distillation process. For the talent begins physically 387 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: and then it goes from there, and then it gets 388 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: to your skill level, and then it gets to your character, 389 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: and then it gets to your durability, then it gets 390 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: to your you know, you're all that stuff. Well, it's 391 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: funny because a lot of those UB guys were talented 392 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: because they worked harder than most people. And at the 393 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: and at the next level, everybody's working hard. So there, 394 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: that's just it. I mean, supreme working there, not gonna 395 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: outwork a guy who's just ten times more talented than 396 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: than you are. Steve Task along with Josh Reid here 397 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live, we're gonna be talking to Later 398 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: in the show, We're gonna have Mike ten Year on 399 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: from the Bleacher Reports, the NFL lead writer for them. 400 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: He's also the co author of a book called Football 401 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: Outsiders Almanac. Also at two o'clock, Robert May's from The 402 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: Ringer is gonna come on. He's got some thoughts about 403 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: some of the things he's written about. Is um talking 404 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: about the Buffalo Bills, how much the help they gave 405 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: to Josh Allen this offseason, what he thinks the perfect 406 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: offensive line looks like. And also he had an article, 407 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: uh did Robert May's on the Ringer about inside linebackers 408 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: coming back into prominence in the NFL. And of course 409 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills with Tremaine Edmonds and the high hopes 410 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: they have for him. We'll talk to both these guys 411 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: that the show goes on. But Josh Wheat, as we 412 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: get rolling here, I know I would open it up 413 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: two calls, and and I guess if you want to call, 414 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: you can. It's eight oh three oh five fifty but 415 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Nobody 416 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: should be calling today. It's too nice out right, nobody. 417 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: You better if you're calling, half should be on a 418 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: fishing pole, right, A colon and a fishing pole is 419 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: what you should be doing a calling us today. We 420 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: also have a Twitter question which I got to look 421 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: this up because I've been I've been jumping around. I 422 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: haven't even look this thing up yet for our for 423 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: our show, and I don't even know how how we're 424 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: doing and whether we're getting any feedback on it. The 425 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: Twitter question. And I'm just gonna take me a minute 426 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: because I got in here and I haven't even gotten 427 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: my computer. It's one one shifter. I haven't even shifted gears. 428 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: It's one burning question ahead of training camp. Now, see, 429 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: I gotta wait for this page to load up, and 430 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: it's Friday. Even the internet's laying that's right. It's got 431 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: a fishing pull in a cold one too, right. Okay, 432 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: here we go. Give us one burning question ahead of 433 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills training camp. That's it. It's a simple question. 434 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes those are the best. What's on your mind? We 435 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. You can tweet us or 436 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: we'll use your responses on the air one eight eight 437 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty for all of you listening 438 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: around the world or from here in Western New York. 439 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: It's eight or three oh five fifty. You can tweet 440 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: at us at MSG Networks or at WGR fifty five fifty, 441 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: at Buffalo Bill at Built one Bills Live you can, 442 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: or at Steve Task or eighty nine. Uh, this stuff's 443 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: going on. Do you have a burning question before we, 444 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, get into this too far. You know, I'm 445 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: gonna I'm really really interested to see what Trent Murphy 446 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: does this year. I think I think we're gonna see 447 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see the guy that they signed, 448 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: that they thought they signed. I think Trent Murphy is. 449 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: I think Trent Murphy's healthy this year. And I had 450 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him a little bit after 451 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: one of them, after one of the minicamp practices, and 452 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: he seems last year weighed on him a lot. It 453 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: was a frustrating year. And I you've probably been in 454 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: the locker room with some guys who have dealt and 455 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: gone through injuries and just kind of you know, yeah, 456 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it bothered him a little bit. Maybe it 457 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: didn't whatever. They were picking up their paycheck every week 458 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: and it was what it was. But Trent Murphy, I'm 459 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: telling you, was frustrated with the way last year played on. 460 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: He thought he let a lot of people down. And 461 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, twenty sixteen, yeah it 462 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: was twenty sixteen because he missed twenty seventeen with the 463 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: knee injury, he had nine sacks. I think I think 464 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna see Trent Murphy get back to that nine 465 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: sack and close to double digits. I think Trent Murphy 466 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: is going to be the most improved Bills player. I mean, 467 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: I guess that's a real question, but I think that 468 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: Trent Murphy is gonna have a good year. That's interesting 469 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: because we had that same conversation with him, and there's 470 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: no question he had admitted it after as it went on, 471 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: and he was not one hundred percent when he came back, 472 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: And now that it's been that amount of time and 473 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: he's had a chance to start running and start you know, 474 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: getting used to his new normal. N I guess I've 475 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: had knee injuries, so I kind of know. You get 476 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: used to new normal and you feel like, Okay, I 477 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: can do whatever I feel like doing without it hurting 478 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: and without worrying about it, and without doing any of 479 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: that in your mind works itself into the point where 480 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: this new knee and this new body and training and 481 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: all the stuff, this is me now and you don't 482 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: have to think about anything except just competing. And that's 483 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: it takes a long time for your mind to get 484 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: taught that. So I'm interested seeing that as well. I think, Um, 485 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: if it happens and he does get back to that 486 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: kind of level, yeah, everything's going to change upfront for 487 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: the Bills because with the depth they have in the secondary, 488 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: their defense could really take a step forward. Even from 489 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: being the number two defense. It was kind of a 490 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: who hum kind of a defense can. You never really 491 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: saw him do spectacular things. Their red zone defense was 492 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: not very good a year ago, but their secondary still 493 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: played solid. They didn't turn out turnovers. So maybe that 494 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: defense turns into a spectacular defense or an epically good 495 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: defense for me, I think the burning question is and 496 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: it all comes back to you know, Josh um Josh 497 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, not Josh Reid, Josh Josh Allen. Certainly that 498 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: when I become one, the Bills have figured it out. 499 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: If I become question good, we're in a good spot. 500 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: We're in a different place. I don't know if it's 501 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: a good spot right. That's true. But here's the thing 502 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: I saw him last last year, Week seventeen. He completed 503 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: sixty five and a half percent of his passes in 504 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: that game. He threw for three touchdowns, he ran for two. 505 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: The offense absolutely man handled the Miami Dolphins. Now it 506 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: was a Miami Dolphins team that had checked out, their 507 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: their head coach was on the cusp of being fired. 508 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: It was not the same team that had competed against 509 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: him earlier in the season that they should have beaten anyway, 510 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: And you know, when they dropped the pass on the 511 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: on the goal line. But I want to see if 512 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: Josh Allen can do that all the time. He said 513 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: he just wanted to take the easy completion. That was 514 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: the game plan. He did it. He completed those passes. 515 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: He completed a ton of passes, a high percentage of 516 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: his passes. It was an aberration in that regard, but 517 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: he showed he could do it. It's in there somewhere. 518 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: And with the knowledge of the offense coming into the 519 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: second year, with more reliable guys on the outside, more 520 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: proven people on the outside, with a better offensive line 521 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: in front of him, that I want to see that 522 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: Miami game every week. They invested, I mean, whether it 523 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: was draft picks or free agency. I mean they invested 524 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: in the offensive line, and as you mentioned that, you 525 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: know they gave him plenty of weapons. So you know, 526 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: now it's on him and as you mentioned, and I 527 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: think I've seen enough to think that he can I do. 528 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: I saw enough last year. Now do I think he's 529 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: a four thousand yard guy this year? Probably not? But 530 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know that that's that's 531 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: the game plan Shawn's gonna throw together on a weekly 532 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: You know what, I mean, I don't think I think 533 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: Sean still believes in winning games twenty one seventeen. I do. 534 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: I think that that's I mean, I don't know that 535 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: you ever get away from your roots. And now, granted, 536 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: if Josh comes out and starts slinging it, I don't 537 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: think they're going to go away from it. I'm not 538 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: saying that, but I think that he still looks at 539 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: his defense and goes, you know what, we're gonna We're 540 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: gonna win with our defense. Still, I think, yeah, I 541 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: agree with you, but I'll tell you this, if they 542 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: can go out there and score thirty five or forty 543 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: two points or thirty seven, thirty eight points, forty points 544 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: a game, Sean McDermot is not going to shy away 545 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: from having his defense challenge to hold a team under 546 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: thirty points every game. They'll do that, they're challenge. Yet 547 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: last year was under fourteen points a game. That's hard 548 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: to do. So I don't think they'll shy away from 549 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: whatever they do well. And if it turns out that 550 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: it's them slinging it all over the yard, throwing it 551 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: on sixty five percent of the plays, even if they 552 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: are averaging you know, six or seven yards an attempt. 553 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: If they can get it up to seven and a 554 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 1: half eight yards per attempt, they're gonna be fine. I mean, 555 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: that's that's where you want to be. So I don't 556 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: know those are I don't think they'll shy away from 557 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: what they do well. And if it means coming out 558 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: and slinging around, I think they'll go ahead and do that. 559 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: And I like the fact that they not only the 560 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: additions that they brought in. I think it's underrated the 561 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: fact that that Brian Dable's back. I think that's very underrated. 562 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean that consistency in the chemistry between you know, 563 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: you know that that playbook and having Brian back. And 564 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: I think the addition at Ken Dorsey is is really 565 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: good because I think I think that he's going to 566 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: prove to be a really good quarterback coach and eventually 567 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that will continue to climb 568 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: the ladder in the coaching ranks. All Right, we're just 569 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: getting started here on One Bill's Live. We're gonna have 570 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: Mike Tanier on at one pm, Robert May's from The 571 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: Ringer on at two pm. And what is your burning 572 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: question for Buffalo Bills training camp? We're gonna talk about 573 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: that and almore. We'll take your calls as well. One 574 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalid to Health from One Bill's 575 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to 576 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: One Bill's Live. Steve task along with my co host 577 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: Josh Reid in for in today. This is our last 578 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: show before the summer break. We're gonna take off all 579 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: next week, turn it off and we come back. It'll 580 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: be time to riv up for training camp. And that 581 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: has to do with our Twitter question today, one burning 582 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: question ahead of Bills training camp? What is it for you? 583 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: We got a phone call today which is absolutely shocking 584 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: to me that somebody is able to just take time 585 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: out of a beautiful day like this to call our 586 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: radio program. But he's in Orlando. So Bart, You're on 587 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: One Bill's Live with Steve and Josh. What's on your mind? Hey, guys, 588 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: great show. Wouldn't expanding the rosters actually help improve injuries 589 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: the impact of injuries when teams would be less concerned 590 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: about leaving a player out when he's even tweaked something 591 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: as compared to having him in and pushing him. Well, 592 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: here's the thing, Bart, and I don't know that it 593 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: would because you're talking about setting a quality starter down, 594 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: or you're talking about sitting down a guy who is 595 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: an A plug player and you may only have a 596 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: C minus player to replace him with the pressure for 597 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: putting the A plus player back on the field doesn't 598 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: diminish just because you have two C plus players an 599 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: extra C plus player to put in ahead of him. 600 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: So starters are starters, and they're starters for a reason 601 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: because you want those guys out there. The only way 602 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: to ensure that they don't they aren't out there all 603 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: the time is to legislate it. You got to put 604 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: it in the rules that the guy's got to sit down. 605 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: Making it possible for them to keep more players available 606 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: and maybe do more things with xs and o's and 607 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: roster manipulation to cover for a lost player is the 608 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: only thing is what they could do. Making it possible 609 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: through a larger roster to do that would be a 610 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: would help the coaches, but it wouldn't take the pressure 611 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: off them to put their best players on the field. 612 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: You understand what I mean, Bart, Yeah, I do. But 613 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: it also would give you a chance to develop those 614 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: C plus players into B plus players and make the 615 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: loss of an eight plus player a little bit less. Yeah, 616 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: when it comes time to replace him, sure, no question 617 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: about it. And there are guys who would benefit from 618 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: the ability to get practice reps and preseason reps and 619 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: training camp reps and to stay around the team and 620 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: learn how to be a professional athlete. You get more 621 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: of those guys that would elevate their play into something, 622 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: and maybe you would get a star once in a while, 623 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: but it's still when the best guys there, the coaches 624 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: are gonna want him to play, and historically that guy's 625 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: gonna want to play. The only way to get them 626 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: off the field when they're healthy and ready to go 627 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: is or healthy enough and ready to go, is by 628 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: telling them. You have to sit down at some point, 629 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: and it's best to do it when the guy's already 630 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: nicked up. Bart it sounds like you're thinking maybe maybe 631 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: expand the practice roster, the practice squad. Maybe that maybe 632 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: that's a solution. Well, and that was something that I 633 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: also would initially consider, is expanding it and making the 634 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: pool easier to move from the practice scrot squot over 635 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: to the main rosters. But yeah, I mean anything to 636 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: to help the players. If you've got to play eight 637 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: plus player who's playing it sent because he's tweaked the 638 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: knee or tweaked the hamstring or something. Then you know 639 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: you can get better performance of somebody else that knows 640 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: how to play in your system. Yeah. Maybe, But if 641 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna if you think you're gonna get better performance 642 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: for somebody, you've got somebody to put in. You've got 643 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: the best guy you've got available to put in. That 644 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you think he's gonna play better than the 645 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: guy that's got to tweaked hamstring or of whatever. The 646 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: simple fact the matter is the only way you're gonna 647 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: get make it easier or better or more consistently possible 648 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: for a great player to sit down is when you say, listen, 649 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna sit down at least twice during this season, 650 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: and we're gonna throw in an extra bye week to 651 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 1: help you get a point during the season. Like if 652 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: you've been playing a little bit nicked up and you 653 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: got a bye week coming, you can pick one of 654 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: the games on either end of that bye and say, 655 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: all right, you're not gonna play in this game just 656 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: before the bye or this game just after the buy, 657 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: so you can have from the game before that game, 658 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: before the bye all through that week, the bye week, 659 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: and the next game, all the way through to the 660 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: next game, so you can have like four weeks or 661 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: nineteen days to heal up. That's the only way you 662 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: can do it. If you say you're gonna sit down 663 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: at some point and if you want to wait or 664 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: struggle it through to the bye week, you can get 665 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: a week on either side of that and be and be. 666 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: You have that time to heal up. There's no way 667 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna get guys to change the way they think 668 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: about whether they're healthy enough to play unless you give 669 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: them an out like that. You know what I mean, Bart, Yeah, 670 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: I do. Now. Certainly you can make it the only thing. 671 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: We're doing it by enlarging the rosters. You can make 672 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: coaches have more options when that's available, But you're not 673 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: going to get him to pull a great player off 674 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: the field if he's ready to play unless they're made 675 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: to do it. I would agree with that. Yeah, thanks 676 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: for the call, But that's a great call, Bart, Thanks 677 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: for calling. That's a good, good point. But the reality 678 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: of it is, you're not going to do it untless 679 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: they have to. You're not gonna get anybody pulled Tom 680 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: Brady off the field unless they have to, or Adrian 681 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: Peterson off the field unless they have to, they just 682 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: will not happen. And if it became a role, how 683 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: important would death become all of a sudden. I mean, 684 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: then depth is it'd be interesting to see how teams 685 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: would start to manipulate the salary cap of some of 686 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: these guys and the salary structures of some of these players, 687 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: because it'd be so important to have solid backups. Because 688 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: if one year you missed the playoff by one game 689 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: because you had to substitute a player that was key 690 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: and the drop off was significant, right, then you go, Okay, 691 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: you know I can't pay my number one one guy 692 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: through the roof because I have to have my number 693 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: two guy, right, be less of a drop off kind 694 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: of the way it is now. I mean, you still 695 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: got to have depth that if you play pay one guy, 696 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: you can't play pay others. But the simple fact of 697 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: the matters this, I think the rosters are already at 698 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: fifty three, they're probably already big enough to make this work. 699 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: The thing we're talking about, this eighteen game schedule with 700 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: sitting down guys for two of those games. You could 701 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: probably make it work with the numbers barely, but I 702 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: think in order to put it implement it, you would 703 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: have to give the unions. I don't know if you'd 704 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: have to give him anything because it's still a sixteen 705 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: game schedule for every player except for maybe a hand. 706 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: Like we said, maybe the quarterback. Starting quarterback doesn't have 707 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: to sit, or none of your quarterbacks have to sit. 708 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: None of the three guys have to sit for a game. 709 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: They can play, but everybody else has to. You want 710 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: to see the quarterbacks salary to go, because definitely it might, right, 711 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean if suddenly they're the onep is position that 712 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: you go, Okay, you can play eight, can play eighteen. 713 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm a quarterback, I'm going you just 714 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: told me they were more important than everybody automatic, right, right, 715 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm a quarterback, I'm going, well, you've 716 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: got to roll the second, bring struck up, next off? Exactly, yeah, exactly. 717 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: All right, We've got this one burning question ahead of 718 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills training camp. We've got some people on the 719 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: tweet sheet that are chiming, and we always have one 720 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: more call. Let's go to Jeff in Hamburg. Jeff you're 721 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: on with Josh Reed, Steve task on one bills live, 722 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: what's on your mind? You know what's going on? Guys? Hey, 723 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: just you know scratch and I got as far as 724 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks goal with you know Allen and the help is 725 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: getting from Jordan Palmer. And then you mentioned Ken Dorsey. 726 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: All right, Well, when they're working with Josh, is Ken 727 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: Dorsey basically in on Davil's offense? I mean does he 728 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: does he know the ins and outs? Is that what 729 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: they're working on per week, per game um? And as 730 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 1: far as Jordan Palmer his work is that basically mechanics 731 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: and pattern throws and sort of like uh, you know, footwork. 732 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: If you could just separate to war to know is 733 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: how much is Ken Dorsey actually involved in the offense? 734 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: And by chance, if you know, if Brian did leave 735 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: for better opportunity or head coaching job, like you said, 736 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big fan of Dorsey myself, so 737 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: I do see him moving up the ladders. And if 738 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: you know, I guess what I'm what I'm getting at 739 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: is I guess could he be a replacement if need 740 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: be in the future. Yeah, that's good, that's a great question. 741 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. You're right, there's a very there's 742 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: a vast difference between Brian Dable and what he does, 743 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey and what he does, and Jordan Palmer and 744 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: what he does. Now Ken Dorsey and Brian Dable are 745 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of on the same page, and you're asking the 746 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: level of knowledge that Ken Dorsey has. He knows it all, 747 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: he is he's gonna be when they kick it off 748 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: for training camp, and even when they came back for OTAs, 749 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey was fully verse, well versed in every aspect 750 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: of this offense, how it worked, way the way they 751 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: wanted it to work. The only thing he didn't have 752 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: probably was to see his players run through it, which 753 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: Brian Dayball hadn't seen these guys, I mean, you got 754 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: you got Cole Beasley and John Brown running through it. 755 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: You got a bunch of new offensive line running through it. 756 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: So even day Ball didn't see these guys run through it. 757 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: But having of well versed knowledge of the offense, Ken 758 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: Dorsey is completely well versed. And if need be, if 759 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: Brian Dayball, you know, quit or retired or got a 760 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: job or whatever whatever whatever yea for whatever reason, now 761 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey would have enough wherewithal to be able to 762 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: step in and do a nice job with that. Now, 763 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: what their role is on the team is this. Brian 764 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: day Ball comes up with game plans. He makes final 765 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: decisions on what he thinks the Bills players can do against, 766 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: say the say opening day the Jets. He thinks, here's 767 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: what we can do against this defense, against Greg Williams 768 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: and his defense, how he's going to run it with 769 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: those guys. We think, here's what we're gonna do ABCD 770 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: and him and if we need to D and E 771 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: as well, So here's what we've got and we just 772 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: still lad and he goes. Now, Ken Dorsey comes to 773 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: Josh and as a former quarterback, he says, Josh, here's 774 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do ABC and if we need to 775 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: D and E or E and F and he says, 776 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: here's what we're thinking. And Josh talks to Ken Dorsey 777 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: about I don't know if I don't get what he's saying. 778 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: Here's what's this play here for? I don't get it. 779 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: What are we looking for? And Ken Dorsey will will 780 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: translate it, and then Josh, I still don't get it, 781 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: and Ken Dorsey go back said, Brian, we need to 782 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: take that out. Yeah, that kind of and watching Ken 783 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: Dorsey work with Josh Allen and Mini Camp and OTAs. 784 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: He's hands on. I mean he is hands on. I 785 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: mean he was out there showing him different technique stuff. 786 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: I mean he was definitely mechanics stuff. I mean he was, 787 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, showing some different drop back techniques and stuff 788 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: like that in the in the drills and the quarterback drills. 789 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: So it's really interesting. And Brian's the same way. I 790 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: mean they're very very hands on as far as coaching goes. 791 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 1: And and and specifically about Brian is I mean, it's 792 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: not just quarterbacks with Brian, as you mentioned, I mean 793 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: he's gotta be he's gotta have his hand in the 794 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: entire cookie jar. He was out there running through different 795 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: he was showing at one point, which I thought was 796 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: really interesting. He was showing Lashawn and Frank Gore. It 797 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: was just those three. They were off to the side, 798 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: which I mean talking about two guys, one who's definitely 799 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: going to Hall of Fame, one who's boards getting in 800 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: the conversation exactly, and Brian Dables showing them how exactly 801 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: how he wants them to run a specific pattern. And 802 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: it was just the three of them, and he was 803 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: showing him exactly where if the linebacker drops this way, 804 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: I want you to do this, and if it drops 805 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: this way, I want you to do that. It was 806 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: really interesting. I mean he's out there back pedaling like 807 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: a linebacker. Brian's out there getting in. I mean, these 808 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 1: coaches are there, are hands on, and as the caller said, 809 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: they're they're very different in their roles. Bryan Dabo the 810 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, Ken Dorsey the quarterback coach, and Jordan Palmer 811 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: the offseason code. He is all mechanics. He's just helping 812 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: Josh throw the football more accurately, get his footwork through 813 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: it under a small base. We can talk about this 814 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: more after the break. This is a that's a really 815 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: interesting a dynamic where Josh where Josh Allen's got all 816 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: these guys in his corner trying to make him better, 817 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: starting with the two coaches that are on the staff 818 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: here and also the one Jordan Palmer who's out in 819 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: California season yead, is there ever an issue of having 820 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: too many voices now they're all talking about different stuff. 821 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's no worries about that though, No, because no, 822 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think so. I we 823 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: can talk more about that too, because there's you know, 824 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of meat on that. In fact, we 825 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: may we may talk more about this after the break. 826 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: Let's let's take a break. We've got what's your one 827 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: burning question for training camp. We've got Mike Tanier from 828 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: the Bleacher Report coming up at one pm. This is 829 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health from One 830 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back 831 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: to One Bill's Lives. Teap Tasker along with it hosts 832 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: for the day, Josh Reid in for a vacation. Name 833 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: if this is our first show, our last show before 834 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: we go on a little week long hiatus for the summer, 835 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: which is which constitutes our summer break. Yeah, because it's short. 836 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not as the NFL's almost three sixty five, 837 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: there's there's about a four four week break where it's 838 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: a little lull. But so we had so we've been 839 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: talking that wreck. We got a great call from from 840 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: Jeff just before the break from Hamburg and he said 841 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: he asked us about the roles that Brian Day, bole Ken, Dorsey, 842 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer Phil for Josh Allen because you know, so 843 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: much depends on how he does this year. And uh 844 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: so we were asking, he asked what their role was. 845 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey is kind of a coach slash translator slash 846 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: buddy for Josh Allen. He's a role model. He's also 847 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: a guy who can think like a quarterback. That's why 848 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: you see so many former quarterbacks there. He says, listen, 849 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: you need to think about this, and when this guy 850 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: does this, you do this. And here's what we're thinking 851 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: on this play when we install it. He's been there, 852 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: done that, right. And he also is in the coaching 853 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: meetings and says, listen, we're putting this in because they're 854 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 1: gonna do this, you know, we gotta have this play 855 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: in and he'll and he translates that. So Josh Allen 856 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: can use Ken Dorsey as a sounding board. Also has 857 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: his mouthpiece in the coach's rooms without having to go 858 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: to the coaches meetings. Ken Dorsey's also on the side 859 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: of Brian day Ball, who's got to make you know, 860 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: like policy decisions like listen, we got to get this 861 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: done this week, right, This has got to go in 862 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: and we've got to have about five plays like this 863 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: to take advantage of this coverage that they run, you know, 864 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: seventy percent of the time. So there's this kind of 865 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 1: tension about what goes in the playbook and what your 866 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: quarterback feels comfortable running. And then you've got a guy 867 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: like Jordan Palmer, and everybody says, wow, how many voices 868 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: he had. Well, Jordan Palmer is an offseason guy. He's 869 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: working with Josh on stuff like footwork and arm motion 870 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: and release and how to hold the ball when you 871 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,839 Speaker 1: drop back in some conditioning stuff not nothing to do 872 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,760 Speaker 1: with x's and knows and he's this isn't the stuff 873 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: that Jordan Palmer works on with. They're working on getting 874 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: to words second nature. He didn't think about it when 875 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: he's playing. It's just a new it's you know, he's 876 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: got this habit now of holding the ball a little 877 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: higher when he drops back. He's got the habit now 878 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: of making sure he doesn't step too far when he 879 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: throws with his left foot. As he throws the football 880 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: down the field, you know, it doesn't overstride. And when 881 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: he sees it, hold the ball and then release it. 882 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: Don't don't get it back behind your ear before you're 883 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: ready to throw. Do it all in one motion. Do it? 884 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: You know, all this mechanical stuff that has nothing to 885 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: do with what Josh's going to be thinking about when 886 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: he drops back. It's by that time theoretically it'll be habit. 887 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: So these all three of these coaches have different roles 888 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: and every quarter you know, most quarterbacks have him. I mean, 889 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: you just need that kind of constant rejuvenation or constant 890 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: reiteration of basics and plus the specifics of a game 891 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: plan and all that. It goes from the summer all 892 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: the way through to the playoffs hopefully. And the Palmer thing, 893 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: to me, it seems a little bit like a quarterback 894 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: club a little bit, because you know, it's the off season, 895 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 1: if you will, and I mean you see Sam Darnold's there, 896 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: Josh is there, Jordan Palmer's there. There's usually a couple 897 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks that are hanging out with them, and you know, 898 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: and I think that's good to be around. I mean, 899 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: I think that's I mean, anytime you can be around 900 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: football players talking football and like you said, you know, 901 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: tweaking technique a little bit, I mean, that's that's good. 902 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: There's all of that since they all played quarterback in 903 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: the NFL. There are a lot of things that are 904 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: common to them, even though they're on different teams and 905 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: running different offenses and got different players around them in 906 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: different verbiage. When they drop back, you know, it's the 907 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: same it's the same thing, and they can all work 908 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: on that together and become buddies because of it. So 909 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the things we've been talking about. We 910 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: also have one burning question ahead of Bill's training camp. 911 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: What is it for you? You can call us at 912 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: eight o three oh five fifty or one eight eight 913 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty. You can get in on 914 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: the conversation. It's a gorgeous day here in Orchard Park. 915 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: I won't hold it against anybody in Western New York 916 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: if they don't call. We've got Mike Tannier coming up 917 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: at one pm from the Bleacher Report. We're gonna talk 918 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: to him about his top ten most important players around 919 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 1: the National Football League. He's written an article. We're gonna 920 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: talk to him about that. This is One Bills Live 921 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio, Bills 922 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: Radio Network, Scoring Suck Dight Sabers Development Camp, on and 923 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 1: off I Sessions finish up today in the French Connection Tournament. 924 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: We'll highlight the final day of camp tomorrow, June twenty ninth, 925 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: beginning at ten forty five, and we'll take place at 926 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: the Harbor Center. Tickets for the tournament are available exclusively 927 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 1: for the twenty nineteen twenty twenty Sabers season ticket holders. 928 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: Tickets are free and unlimited, two per account, and we'll 929 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: be limited and distributed on first come, first served basis. 930 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: The tournament will also be streamed live on sabers dot 931 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: com and the team's social media platform. Patrick Marlowe's contract 932 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: was bought out by the Hurricane yesterday. He was entering 933 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: the last year of a three year, eighteen point seven 934 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: five million dollar contract he signed with the Maple Leafs 935 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: on July second, twenty seventeen, that has an average annual 936 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: value of six point two five million. Marlow has eleven 937 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six points in twenty one NHL seasons 938 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,720 Speaker 1: and one hundred and twenty seven points and one hundred 939 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: and ninety one Stanley Cup playoff games with the Sharks 940 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: and Maple Leafs. Defenceman Carl Gunnerson agreed to a two year, 941 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: three point five million dollar contract with the Blues yesterday 942 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: that has an average annual value of one point seven 943 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: five million. Gunnerson had one goal and two assists in 944 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,800 Speaker 1: nineteen Stanley Cup playoff games, the goal being the Game 945 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: two overtime winner in the Cup final. Gunnerson had seven 946 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 1: points and was plus eight in twenty five regular season 947 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: games for the Blues this season. The twenty nineteen FIFA 948 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: Women's World Cup continues today, where the United States faces France, 949 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,840 Speaker 1: the home team, at three pm Eastern Time in Paris 950 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: for the quarterfinals. The US defeated Spain two to one 951 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: on Monday, and France beat Brazil two to one on Sunday. 952 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,919 Speaker 1: You can catch the game on Fox. The Bison's fell 953 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: to Scranton Wilkesbary four to six in the first game 954 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: of last night's doubleheader, but beat the rail Riders one 955 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: oho in game two. The hurd will host Syracuse Mets 956 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:36,240 Speaker 1: this weekend, with first pitch tonight at seven o five pm. 957 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: We are pleased to be joined next by Mike Tanier 958 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,839 Speaker 1: of The Bleacher Report. He's the lead NFL writer for them. 959 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: He's also co authored a book called Football Outsiders Almanac, 960 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,919 Speaker 1: and he's been covering the national Football League since two 961 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: thousand Night two thousand and nine, Mike, Steve Tasker, and 962 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: Josh Read up in Buffalo on One Bills Live. Thanks 963 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,439 Speaker 1: for joining us. How are you doing today? I'm doing great. 964 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: I thought it was summertime here. I thought the NFL 965 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: was going to sleep, but then I remember the NFL 966 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 1: never really sleep. No, but we're we are going to sleep. 967 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: After the show today, We're all going to sleep for 968 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: a week and then we're gonna turn the lights back on. Yeah, happen. Mike, 969 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,839 Speaker 1: talk a little bit. I gotta ask you one thing 970 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: you came out with. There was an article you put out, 971 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: and we've always heard this run established a run. You've 972 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of put it to rest, and it's kind of 973 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: nobody really wants to say it, but the run game 974 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: has finally, in the annals of NFL history, taken a 975 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: back seat to the passing game. Is that not true? 976 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely true, and I think it's been 977 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: sort of this twenty year slow ride to this point. 978 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, I wrote that because I wasn't just me 979 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 1: saying it, was the analytical community saying it, and it 980 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: was I believe it was Jeffrey Lourie, the owner of 981 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: the Eagles saying it, and you know, you say it 982 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: over and over again just to be clear. You know, 983 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about sort of a specific element of the 984 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: running game, and it's that established or run mentality. You're 985 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: out there in the first quarter and you're gonna handoff 986 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: first and ten, and then you're gonna handoff on second 987 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: and eat, and you know you wind up a third 988 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: and seven. I mean, that's what you often wind up 989 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: doing there. That kind of football doesn't really work very well. 990 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,880 Speaker 1: It's not the optimal way of doing things right. It 991 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 1: doesn't mean the running game is not important or that 992 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: teams should just throw the ball ninety nine percent at 993 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: the time, but that kind of mentality has really got 994 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: like like falling by the wayside in the NFL, and 995 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: for good reason, because there are better ways of moving 996 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: the ball winning games. And it's not just so much 997 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: now that no, you know, teams are realizing, but it's 998 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: been an evolution. Most teams know this. For a foule, 999 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you got to come out, you've got to 1000 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: throw on first down, You've got to mix up the 1001 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: running pass. You got to run or pass dependent on 1002 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,760 Speaker 1: what the defensive front is. So there's really no anticipatory 1003 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 1: statistical threshold that these teams are shooting for with their 1004 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: run pass ratio. Not quite. I mean sometimes you'll hear 1005 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator say, I mean balance, and when I 1006 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: mean balance, I say sixty forty. Some of the younger 1007 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 1: ones will come out and say balance them means like 1008 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: sixty percent passing. Running it means incorporating the run at times, 1009 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: not trying to do fifty fifth or you know, maybe 1010 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: back in the seventies when I mean sixty percent running. 1011 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: But you know, it's all based on the situations and 1012 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: the circumstances as well. And you know what they want 1013 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 1: to do is again they like you said, they want 1014 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: to keep the defense guessing. They want to be able 1015 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,359 Speaker 1: to run the ball in short yards, run the ball 1016 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: to goal, and run the ball in the fourth quarter, 1017 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,399 Speaker 1: you know, leading by eight points whatever, things like that. 1018 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: All those things they want to be able to make happen. 1019 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: But the idea that this sort of and they said, 1020 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: old school NFL mentality, You're you're just gonna beat them 1021 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: in the trenches and you're gonna be the stronger and 1022 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 1: bigger than them, and you're gonna, you know, beat them 1023 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: down and run the ball down their throats doesn't really 1024 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,879 Speaker 1: work in the NFL because everybody's a professional, everybody's big, 1025 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 1: The defense is going to rotate guys in there. So, 1026 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, teams obviously, like the Patriots, you know, don't 1027 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: think that way. They did run the ball more in 1028 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,839 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in the playoffs, but they don't think 1029 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: that way. They think it turns with a different kind 1030 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: of balance. Hey, Mike, Josh Reid here, Hey, obviously the 1031 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: Bills have a quarterback who's very capable at running the 1032 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: ball with Josh Allen. We saw it last year. He's 1033 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 1: able to make big plays with his legs. How does 1034 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 1: what you're telling us from an analytics point translate to 1035 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who were able to run well. I think it's 1036 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: of kind of an old, an old adage in terms of, 1037 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, as the quarterback develops, that minimizes, that becomes 1038 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 1: less a part of the game, that becomes a wrinkle 1039 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: or like a value added later in their careers, whereas 1040 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,560 Speaker 1: earlier in their careers. Yeah, sometimes they're relying on the 1041 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: run because they're still developing. They don't know that where 1042 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 1: the third read is, etc. Etc. So I think that's 1043 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,760 Speaker 1: the logic that the Bills are approaching with Josh Allen. 1044 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: The Bills are built to run the ball conventionally as well. 1045 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 1: You have like fourteen running backs so better and running 1046 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: backs in camp over there right now, and you've got 1047 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 1: an offensive line from the looks of things, that has 1048 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,240 Speaker 1: kind of been rebuilt to be that sort of nasty 1049 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: slaver knocker offensive line. So there's a mentality there that 1050 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: they want to be able to run the ball and 1051 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: run the ball conventionally and be physical and probably throw 1052 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: some design runs for Josh Allen in there as well. 1053 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,279 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that as you are continuing the 1054 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,760 Speaker 1: development of the quarterback and you know, trying to build 1055 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 1: and win with a defense as well. But I think 1056 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 1: what the Bills are going to be doing as they 1057 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: as they move forward is they're going to be getting 1058 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: away from that more trying to open things up. You 1059 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: got some new receivers there as well, and turned Josh 1060 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 1: Allen into a traditional quarterback who runs once in a 1061 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: while and less of what we saw from him last year. 1062 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: And when you get to that point of running it, 1063 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 1: when the Bills want to running it and you know, 1064 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 1: handing the football off in a more conventional way, you're 1065 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: talking about the running backs. You mentioned it. The Bills 1066 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: has set an NFL record by having two guys in 1067 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: their backfield that have gotten more experience, we'll call it 1068 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,480 Speaker 1: experience than anybody in the history of the league. How 1069 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: do you think that is going to shake out? There 1070 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 1: was a tweet out today and Frank Gore, Devin Singletary, 1071 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: who's the rookie, Lashawn McCoy and a guy and Travis 1072 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,359 Speaker 1: Homer as well. These guys are all training together down 1073 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,359 Speaker 1: in South Florida. How do you think the running back 1074 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: workload is going to shake out in Buffalo with all 1075 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,919 Speaker 1: that experience back there. Well, first of all, you want 1076 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: everybody working out with Frank Gore, because you know, he's whatever. 1077 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: He's sixty three years old, he's still healthy, he's still 1078 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: doing a great job, and nothing ever gets to him. 1079 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: But as that said, it's interesting because you have the 1080 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,399 Speaker 1: two very experienced backs and Gore and Shady, and then 1081 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,879 Speaker 1: you've got two guys who are more of an explosive 1082 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 1: pass catching type back. I mean, that's how I characterized Singletary. 1083 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: He's going to be that screen pass home run thread 1084 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: I kind of think of yelled at the Feasta in 1085 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: the mix there as one of those guys. So what 1086 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to see. I don't think 1087 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,279 Speaker 1: you're going to see the traditional thing which you saw, 1088 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,799 Speaker 1: which was Shady McCoy running the ball until he was 1089 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: injured unfortunately, which was kind of the case in a 1090 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: lot of cases, and then trying to run on a 1091 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,840 Speaker 1: tweet Tammy. There's probably a rotation of those guys. I 1092 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 1: think you're going to see the younger backs and the 1093 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: pass catching backs a little bit more, and you might 1094 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,240 Speaker 1: see Frank Gore as more of a as a fourth quarterback, 1095 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,920 Speaker 1: so a fourth quarter back, not a quarterback. So it's 1096 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna be terriable for fantasy owners. But we don't worry 1097 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: about fantasy owners right now, who'd let them be frustrated 1098 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: when they grab one guy or another. It'll be good 1099 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: to be able to rotate these guys in there, give 1100 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: the opponent different looks, and you know, based on the situation, say, oh, 1101 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,920 Speaker 1: we've got all this experience, we've got that jump cut 1102 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 1: ability with Shady, we've got this kid who can take 1103 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: it to the house, and then we can beat in 1104 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: the four quarter with Frank Bore. When you when you 1105 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: watched what Lashawn McCoy was able to do last year 1106 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: or wasn't able to do last year? Are you more 1107 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: concerned about Lashawn McCoy or was it that offensive line 1108 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,479 Speaker 1: that just quite frankly, you know, wasn't able to open 1109 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: up holes and give him running lanes. And obviously that's 1110 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 1: why the Bills have revamped that entire up front. Well, 1111 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm excited about the revamped up front up there, but 1112 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a soon to be thirty one year 1113 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 1: old running back who has sent thousand in the yards 1114 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 1: in him and has kind of battled injuries on him 1115 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: off look, so he had he was healthier than I 1116 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: thought he was in previous seasons. But you have to 1117 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: be concerned at this point because so much of what 1118 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,799 Speaker 1: Shane McCoy's ability was was that jump cutting ability, that 1119 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: sort of make you miss on that first move type 1120 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: of thing. And that's the kind of thing that is 1121 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: likely to fade with age, likely to decline with agents. 1122 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,239 Speaker 1: You know, it's rare for a guy to get that 1123 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: back at thirty two thirty three, even if he lost 1124 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: it due to injuries, or due to wear and care, 1125 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: or due to be frustrations on the line. So you know, 1126 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: I would be concerned even with the Revan's offensive line. 1127 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,839 Speaker 1: But that's why you have reasons to mitigate the concern there. 1128 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 1: That's why you do have a Frank were there. You 1129 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,759 Speaker 1: have a T. J. Yell, and you have the young 1130 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 1: man's singletary, so as as McCoys. If he's getting phased out. 1131 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,800 Speaker 1: If that's the situation, you do have plans BC and 1132 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: D behind him. You also wrote something on the bleacher Report, 1133 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,600 Speaker 1: and we're talking with Mike Tanner of the Bleacher bleacher Report, 1134 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: and I want to ask you. You had top ten 1135 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: most important players to their teams, and it was interesting. 1136 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: Your second most important player was six or five guys. 1137 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: It was Josh Allen, Sam Darnel, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, 1138 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: and Josh Rosen, all the rookie quarterbacks drafted in two eighteen. 1139 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,600 Speaker 1: And I guess I gotta I gotta agree with you, 1140 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: But what are you looking? Can you can you handicap 1141 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: that race between those five guys? Can you give us 1142 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,200 Speaker 1: an idea maybe how you think it'll shake out for 1143 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 1: each of them. It's tricky because all of them have 1144 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: that sort of Yeah, but especially at the end of 1145 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: the last season, Josh Allen had a couple of those 1146 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 1: really good games at the end of last season. Yeah, 1147 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: but I mean there are some real week ones early on. 1148 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 1: I think he was behind the other guys earlier in 1149 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: the season. Certainly Baker Mayfield had those phenomenal late season games. Yeah, 1150 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,600 Speaker 1: but you know, there's still a lot of questions around him. 1151 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,840 Speaker 1: I think we hear a little more from him on 1152 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: social networks and interviews than we necessarily need to. That's 1153 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: a concern. Sam Darnold late in the season, he looked 1154 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: really phenomenal frankly, Yeah, but they have all the termoil 1155 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,280 Speaker 1: with the Jets. Lamar Jackson running the ball over all 1156 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: over creation really exciting dynamic to watch. Yeah, but you 1157 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: saw him in the playoffs. He wasn't really throwing the 1158 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: ball accurately. They caught up to him. Josh Rosen wasn't 1159 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: kind of a separate category there. I don't know how 1160 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 1: it's going to play out, because one of the trickiest 1161 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,920 Speaker 1: things to handicaps, to use your words, is that year 1162 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,760 Speaker 1: one to year to jump, so much of the development 1163 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 1: is invisible to us right now. And if we saw 1164 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: a few mini camp and I did get to see 1165 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: a couple of them in Mini camp, you don't really 1166 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,960 Speaker 1: know that jump until you see the new weapons, until 1167 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 1: you see the new mentality and you see the new 1168 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,080 Speaker 1: opened up off that. So I don't know, you know, 1169 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: I think, like I said, I was a little more 1170 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 1: skeptical about Josh Allen some of the other guys. We're 1171 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: going to know more when these camps open and what 1172 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: we see these young men do. But the bottom line 1173 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: is some of them are going to be great. Some 1174 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: of them might fall by the wayside, and it's going 1175 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 1: to really affect the whole bounce power in the af stay. 1176 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: It's interesting too, but we may not know about all 1177 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: We won't know about all these guys until you know 1178 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: more time has passed. And for a guy who came 1179 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: out and had a lot of a lot of reason 1180 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 1: for hope early in his career, that time has passed. 1181 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 1: To Shaun Watson and Houston, You're you're thinking they're kind 1182 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: of wasting his years here on a cheap rookie quarterback contract. 1183 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 1: They really had a chance to really make some hay 1184 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: and you think the Houston Texans have actually bungled the job. Yeah, 1185 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: And there's a great example of a guy I think 1186 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: he had three or four great games his rookie year, 1187 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,360 Speaker 1: got hurt, comes back, and now we've been in this 1188 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: place where we're waiting for him to develop. But it's 1189 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: not his faught. It's not on him. You can look 1190 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: at their offensive line and say, this offensive line is 1191 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,600 Speaker 1: really weak. I think they allowed fifty some sacks last year. 1192 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,720 Speaker 1: They were honest sacks. He had no time to throw 1193 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 1: the ball. They've only got, you know, the one ride 1194 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,800 Speaker 1: receiver in DeAndre Hopkins, and they come into this offseason 1195 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 1: and they really didn't improve any So so you have 1196 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: a Deshaun Watson, who I think is a phenomenal player 1197 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 1: of the phenomenal future, and his franchise is not doing 1198 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 1: well by him. They're not giving him the support he 1199 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,920 Speaker 1: needs to take the next step. But that's the kind 1200 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: of thing that can happen with a lot of young quarterbacks. Again, 1201 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: that's one of the things to be encouraged about for 1202 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen is when you look at this offseason, you 1203 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 1: can see the revamped offensive line. You're bringing in rookies, 1204 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: you're bringing in veterans, kind of did the same thing 1205 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: in the receiving corps. You're adding these backs, and that's 1206 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: what you want to see because it's not all on 1207 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: the quarterback. To develop this potentially, these the coaches, he needs, 1208 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,640 Speaker 1: the general management, He needs his teammates as well, and 1209 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,160 Speaker 1: a guy like Deshaun Watson hasn't had that opportunity yet 1210 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now, that's a great point because you 1211 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 1: mentioned the Bills were able to go out and add 1212 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: and you mentioned all those quarterbacks who are now heading 1213 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: into their second year Josh Allen, Sam Darnold. You know, 1214 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting because the teams did a really nice job 1215 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: this offseason. You look what the Jets added with leaven Bell, 1216 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,920 Speaker 1: and the Bills obviously revamped that old line and give 1217 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: him weapons. And these teams this past offseason didn't nice 1218 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 1: job of giving those young quarterbacks. Baker Mayfield, look what 1219 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 1: he's look what he's going to camp with this year. 1220 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they did a nice job of giving those 1221 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks a lot of pieces. Absolutely, and Lamar Jackson. 1222 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 1: They've rebuilt the offense. I think they're going to commit 1223 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,520 Speaker 1: more to the option with him, so they've restructured things 1224 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 1: so that that that works. And they added some guys. 1225 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: They've had a Hollywood Brown in the draft, et cetera. 1226 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: But you're right, you add an OBJ etc. It's all 1227 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: very wise, it's all very shrewd way of doing it. 1228 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: The best thing I can say about the Bills and 1229 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: all that is it wasn't one splashy guy and it 1230 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 1: was very broad based. Here. I can look at Mitch Morris, 1231 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 1: I can look at Codie Ford, I can look at 1232 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: John Brown, cool Cole Beasley. Obviously the running backs we've 1233 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 1: talked about already, a little bit more help on the 1234 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 1: offensive line, more depth on the offensive mine, more depth 1235 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,120 Speaker 1: a receiver, more depth in the back. Dail just didn't 1236 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,280 Speaker 1: really do that, just didn't had anything on the offensive line. 1237 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 1: The Browns didn't necessarily do that because most of it was, 1238 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, bringing into obj that broad based support can 1239 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,120 Speaker 1: lead to broad based development. For a guy like Josh Allen, 1240 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: one thing else I wanted to ask him at this 1241 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,960 Speaker 1: time of year. It's all about the future, and it's 1242 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,040 Speaker 1: all about where teams sit and how much we can 1243 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: anticipate how good there'll be. But there's one franchise and 1244 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of a tenuous connection to Western New York. 1245 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: Frank Wright, former backup to Jim Kelly, is in Indianapolis, 1246 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,080 Speaker 1: and I'm how optimistic about long term success can the 1247 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 1: Colts really be. They've got a great franchise quarter direct, 1248 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 1: they've got a new shiny new head coach who came 1249 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,200 Speaker 1: back from US from a one in five or on 1250 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,240 Speaker 1: five start earning the season last year, made them, got 1251 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: them to the playoffs, and they got tons of cap space. 1252 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: They got some young outstanding players, one on each side 1253 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,640 Speaker 1: of the ball. Can the Colts really be sustain this 1254 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,240 Speaker 1: kind of run under this head coach new head coach 1255 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,920 Speaker 1: for it look looks like they're set up for a 1256 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: long run of playoff appearances. That's what I call it 1257 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:51,640 Speaker 1: salary cap heaven. Salary cap heaven, which means it's not like, well, 1258 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,800 Speaker 1: we have to be all in for this year, all 1259 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 1: in while the quarterbacks on the rookie contract or any 1260 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,760 Speaker 1: of that stuff. It's a bad based thing like I 1261 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 1: said before, that can last for years, and it does 1262 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,560 Speaker 1: start with having Andrew Luck at his stage in his 1263 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: career under this manageable contract that they're probably not even 1264 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 1: have to look at her open the hood on for 1265 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 1: another like two years or so. Then you look at 1266 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: their rookie classroom last year, Quinton Nelson looks like a 1267 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 1: perennial All Pro guard. The young man, Darius Leonard at linebacker. 1268 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: He came kind of from nowhere to have this great year. 1269 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,840 Speaker 1: So you have all this young talent, you have a 1270 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,800 Speaker 1: veteran quarterback in his crime who's affordable, and you're you know, 1271 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 1: you're around ten and six, you're around eleven and five. 1272 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,920 Speaker 1: It's a difficult place to be in, but it's a 1273 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: great place to be in. I think that they have 1274 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,040 Speaker 1: a good general manager there. I'm a huge fan of 1275 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Frank Wright being based out of the Philadelphia area. I 1276 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: think he was a lot of the key to the 1277 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,480 Speaker 1: creativity that was behind the Eagle Super Bowl a lot. 1278 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,600 Speaker 1: And it's it's a great place to be, he know, 1279 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,160 Speaker 1: the best place to be as having just won the 1280 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl or whatever, the next best thing is to 1281 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,920 Speaker 1: be on that tier and having a great way of 1282 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: leaping forward. And I think that's where the Colts are 1283 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I agree with you, and that's it 1284 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,240 Speaker 1: does seem to be one of those spots where all 1285 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 1: arrows are pointing up. They've got Darius Litard, They've got 1286 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,480 Speaker 1: Quinton Nelson, Slendard defensive Rookie of the Year in the 1287 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,080 Speaker 1: National Football League, and they got Quinton Nelson, an offensive 1288 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,920 Speaker 1: lineman that seemed to transform their entire team's attitude. So 1289 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 1: um yeah, and they got Andrew Luck sitting there taking Snapps' 1290 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Comeback Player of the Year flash. Absolutely mean, he showed 1291 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: that you know, he's probably got maybe some of his 1292 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,680 Speaker 1: best years ahead of him still. Mike Tanner from the 1293 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 1: Bleacher Report, I got one last thing for you. You've 1294 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,360 Speaker 1: brought an article, and I've always been fascinated by pass rushers. 1295 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,720 Speaker 1: I played with the best guy ever and Bruce Smith, 1296 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,360 Speaker 1: and I've watched guys from the sidelines, and you're you're 1297 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,720 Speaker 1: telling me, and I read your stuff from the Bleacher 1298 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: Report about von Miller, how much do the Broncos really 1299 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,720 Speaker 1: need von Miller to take even another step in his 1300 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 1: development and his ability to get after the passer? You know, 1301 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,680 Speaker 1: they need him obviously to be at his sort of 1302 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame peak right now. And one of the 1303 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,840 Speaker 1: things I was talking about there is, you know, he 1304 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,600 Speaker 1: ran that that pass rusher camp, and not only well, 1305 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, he was there and Nick Chubb, who's a 1306 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,360 Speaker 1: hecklotball player, the second year edge rusher was there, and 1307 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,320 Speaker 1: then they brought in all these other pass rushers from 1308 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 1: around the NFL. Broncos fans were mad because they were 1309 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,080 Speaker 1: chief ass rushers there, like why are you bringing these 1310 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,240 Speaker 1: guys in there? It's like, well, you know, it's professionalism. 1311 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,000 Speaker 1: They're all going to learn from each other, and you 1312 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,800 Speaker 1: know it's better than what else do you want your 1313 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,240 Speaker 1: guy doing eating bon Bonds in the off season or whatever. 1314 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, they need him as that player, they need 1315 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,240 Speaker 1: him as that tone center and leader as well. You 1316 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,280 Speaker 1: look at the Broncos, it's another year where they're gonna 1317 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,840 Speaker 1: try and win with defense. Brought in another veteran quarterback 1318 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,240 Speaker 1: in Joe Flacco. Offense looks a little bit better or 1319 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,040 Speaker 1: around him, but this is a team that wants to 1320 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,600 Speaker 1: go out there and be that defense first contender. And yeah, 1321 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,640 Speaker 1: you can't just do that on von Miller alone. You 1322 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: need him and Bradley Chubb. I think I said his 1323 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,000 Speaker 1: brother Nick Chubb earlier. You need him and Bradley Chubb 1324 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,040 Speaker 1: playing at a high level. You need Derek Wolflow that 1325 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,439 Speaker 1: one of their other pass rushers playing at a high level. 1326 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,520 Speaker 1: And that's what was great for the Broncos to see 1327 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,440 Speaker 1: those guys out there being collegial with some opponents, but 1328 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,440 Speaker 1: really being dedicated to their craft. Because if that team 1329 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,960 Speaker 1: gets a fifty five stack season out of all their 1330 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 1: pass rushers, and you know, they can get Philip Rivers 1331 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes and keep those guys uncomfortable out there. 1332 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 1: They can make a run. Even if their offense is 1333 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,120 Speaker 1: kind of station the station, they can make a run. 1334 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,560 Speaker 1: And that's what's important for the for the Blancos, It's 1335 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,360 Speaker 1: not gonna come from their offense. The leadership is going 1336 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,960 Speaker 1: to come ultimately from von Miller. Well, then that's that's 1337 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 1: a question that that leads me to this question. Is 1338 01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,480 Speaker 1: you know they, like you mentioned, they brought in Joe Flacco. 1339 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he's got experience, he's been there, he's 1340 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,760 Speaker 1: won big games. Yeah, I mean what does he have 1341 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,800 Speaker 1: left in the tank? I mean does he have enough 1342 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,800 Speaker 1: to make what von Miller does relevant? Because let's face it, 1343 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,080 Speaker 1: if von Miller racks up fifteen sacks and the team 1344 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,320 Speaker 1: goes four and twelve, if you know, if the tree 1345 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,160 Speaker 1: falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, 1346 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, right absolutely, And that's the thing. You know, 1347 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: It's like when when Flacco had his success with the Ravens, 1348 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,240 Speaker 1: they still have the Ray Lewis team and we all 1349 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,360 Speaker 1: Slubs and those guys, and then previously in another era 1350 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 1: with the Ravens teams, those ray Lewis said, read teams, 1351 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: and they won with a lot of different quarterbacks that 1352 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, you don't really think much of. It's almost 1353 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,360 Speaker 1: got to be that at this point because when we 1354 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: talk about his winning big games, it's kind of getting 1355 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: into the rear view mirror. Here. He's getting into twenty twelve, 1356 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,680 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, that's when that was. That's starting to be 1357 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of in the past right now. So you know, 1358 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,439 Speaker 1: they have to be And we started this talking about 1359 01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 1: establishing the run, and sometimes we talk about that sort 1360 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,680 Speaker 1: of caretaker quarterback or that don't use the game quarterback. 1361 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: If you're gonna try to win in the NFL with 1362 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 1: that sort of don't lose the game, you know, heady veteran, 1363 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,760 Speaker 1: don't turn it over quarterback. You better have that defense, 1364 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: You better have that supporting cast. And yeah, the Broncos 1365 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: supporting cast is better. They got a bed running back 1366 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,920 Speaker 1: until Lindsay. Now they still have Emmanuel Sanders, Couurtland Sun 1367 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,080 Speaker 1: and Sup some other guys. They need to have that 1368 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,080 Speaker 1: defense rus they're never gonna be in the conversation whatsoever. 1369 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 1: And like you said, it's gonna be a tree falling 1370 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,080 Speaker 1: in the woods no matter what von Miller does. How 1371 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,720 Speaker 1: Who's gonna win the AFC West is can Denver or 1372 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,919 Speaker 1: the Chargers can? They can they compete with Kansas City 1373 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,640 Speaker 1: or its Kansas City gonna guide through this regular season? Again, 1374 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,080 Speaker 1: I think I think the Chiefs are a little bit 1375 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,720 Speaker 1: overall on defense. I think they went sideways. Let's put 1376 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,400 Speaker 1: that on defense, but obviously some questions on offense of 1377 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 1: who's going to be available when, etc. I think the 1378 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,840 Speaker 1: Chargers can definitely make a runs on them because if 1379 01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,920 Speaker 1: you look at the depth and use of the Chargers, 1380 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,439 Speaker 1: if we're assuming Philip Revers hasn't lost a step, which 1381 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,240 Speaker 1: it always seems like he's about to lose a step 1382 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,800 Speaker 1: and he doesn't do it, and if they can get 1383 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of a home field advantage and a 1384 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 1: little bit I haven't really looked at their schedule in depth, 1385 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,240 Speaker 1: but a little bit less of the hey, you know, 1386 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,120 Speaker 1: fly across the country to play at nine in the 1387 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,480 Speaker 1: morning in London or whatever the crazy stuff they do. 1388 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,040 Speaker 1: The Chargers, that team can make a run. They were 1389 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,360 Speaker 1: twelve and four playoff team last year and they got 1390 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,200 Speaker 1: a lot of points that the things trending upwards. And 1391 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,680 Speaker 1: I just keep the Broncos in this whole conversation because 1392 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,040 Speaker 1: I've been around enough to the pass rush is the equalizer. 1393 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,360 Speaker 1: The pass rush in the NFL can cover so many 1394 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: sins and that's what they're best at, and so that's 1395 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,320 Speaker 1: why they stay in the conversation, even though you know 1396 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,080 Speaker 1: you're right the Chiefs and the Chargers are making it 1397 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,880 Speaker 1: look like it's a two team race. Mike, thanks for this. 1398 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's been great having you, Mike tan 1399 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,520 Speaker 1: your Bleacher Report, NFL Lead Rider. Really appreciate you coming 1400 01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,800 Speaker 1: on a Friday during the summer. It really helps us out. 1401 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Is a pleasure to take care and Jue your fourth 1402 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,040 Speaker 1: July weekend as well. All right, we will thank you 1403 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,840 Speaker 1: very much, Mike Tanier Leecher. He's got a lot of 1404 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 1: good stuff on that thing where he examined you know, 1405 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,720 Speaker 1: most important players, top ten most important players, and it's 1406 01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,120 Speaker 1: a it's a list that doesn't have all quarterbacks on it, 1407 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 1: although he numbers two slaughter all the five young quarterbacks 1408 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,880 Speaker 1: that drafted last year. His number one most important player 1409 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,600 Speaker 1: on that list was Jalen Ramsey of the Jacksonville Jaguars. 1410 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:32,400 Speaker 1: Which that's an interesting decision to put him number one, 1411 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,080 Speaker 1: because I mean that I don't know that. I don't 1412 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,400 Speaker 1: know that if I were to compile less that he's 1413 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,760 Speaker 1: in the top ten. Yeah. Here's the thing that we've 1414 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,640 Speaker 1: been talking about this, Murph and I've been back and 1415 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,280 Speaker 1: forth about it. We've the analytics people are getting out 1416 01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:48,240 Speaker 1: there saying these days it's way more important to have 1417 01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,240 Speaker 1: two lockdown corners than have two edge rushers, even if 1418 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,879 Speaker 1: both are elite. If you have an elite lockdown corners, 1419 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,960 Speaker 1: they're better than having the elite edge rushers. The thought 1420 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,479 Speaker 1: is because the edge rushers, even if they get to 1421 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback, the quarterbacks today or moment, they'll get away 1422 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,519 Speaker 1: and still make a play down the field if your 1423 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,240 Speaker 1: corner's on up to snuff, if you have an okay 1424 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,679 Speaker 1: pass rush, and I'm not talking about non pass rush, 1425 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: but if you got guys chasing the quarterback, if he 1426 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,400 Speaker 1: escapes and they're still covered up on the outside, you're 1427 01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,639 Speaker 1: still gonna be a better football team than you would 1428 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,960 Speaker 1: be if the quarterback. You know, if you have a 1429 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,599 Speaker 1: better pass rush. So the corners these days are more 1430 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,040 Speaker 1: highly regarded by analytics people than the edge rushers like 1431 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,040 Speaker 1: Von Miller that we were just talking about with Mike Tanner. 1432 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,559 Speaker 1: And I think it's an interesting point. I like, where 1433 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,920 Speaker 1: if that's the truth, the Bills are sitting pretty because 1434 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,800 Speaker 1: they've got really good got Tradavious White, and they've got 1435 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 1: three guys who have been starters, well yeah, who have 1436 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,439 Speaker 1: been starters in the NFL, vying for the second spot. 1437 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,320 Speaker 1: They've got tarn Johnson, who is a very good slot 1438 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,200 Speaker 1: corner playing with one wing last year, who really played well. 1439 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,240 Speaker 1: They've got a lot of guys outside that can really 1440 01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,479 Speaker 1: lock them up. If that's the case, this Bill's defense 1441 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,680 Speaker 1: could take a big step forward. And if they do that, 1442 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,559 Speaker 1: you know the I think the point is made. But 1443 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,120 Speaker 1: do you believe that though? Do you believe? I don't. 1444 01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I'd rather have a A plus 1445 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,599 Speaker 1: number one cornerback over an A plus number one defensive 1446 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,679 Speaker 1: end they can get after it. I still you give 1447 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: me the d N. I'm starting to get talked into. 1448 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I was with you like five months 1449 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,479 Speaker 1: ago with it. After the end of the last season, 1450 01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: then we started having the analytics guys on and saying 1451 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,680 Speaker 1: when they started making their case, don't let them poison you. 1452 01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,360 Speaker 1: And they're poisoning you right really, and they're making their 1453 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,200 Speaker 1: cases and they do it with they do it with statistics. 1454 01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,880 Speaker 1: They say listen and some of the old guard will 1455 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,639 Speaker 1: tell you. And I read John Madden even went back 1456 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,519 Speaker 1: as far back is into the seventies when he was 1457 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,639 Speaker 1: coaching the Raiders that Al Davis used to tell him, 1458 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,640 Speaker 1: he goes, he goes at the most important spot in 1459 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,559 Speaker 1: your spot is the lockdown corners. Do you think of 1460 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,759 Speaker 1: those teams where they had Lester Hayes and Mike Hanes, 1461 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,880 Speaker 1: they were tough to beat. And I don't know who 1462 01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,599 Speaker 1: their pass rushers were, was it Ted Hendrix and Zaida 1463 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 1: some of those guys. Yeah, okay, they were good guy, 1464 01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 1: they were great players, certainly, but those two guys on 1465 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,880 Speaker 1: the outside made the difference for that team. And so 1466 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of swaying back towards the thing that maybe 1467 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,200 Speaker 1: it is the outside guys that are more important, because 1468 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,559 Speaker 1: I've seen guys with great pass rushes, with teams with 1469 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,840 Speaker 1: great pass us they'll get two sacks and a half, 1470 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,160 Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, quarterbacks slips him and he 1471 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:20,920 Speaker 1: still is able to make the throw and all of 1472 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,519 Speaker 1: a sudden, the game is over because he hits that 1473 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,960 Speaker 1: one play that that wins it for him. I don't know. 1474 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,360 Speaker 1: I still think that. I mean if, because if, if 1475 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,680 Speaker 1: you're an elite defensive end, you can keep contain and 1476 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,400 Speaker 1: then that that kind of keeps you're keeping the quarterback 1477 01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,679 Speaker 1: inside the pocket. Now, I know that you can call 1478 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,880 Speaker 1: plays and roll away from that defensive end, and you 1479 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,000 Speaker 1: know obviously chip him and double, but I mean you 1480 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,840 Speaker 1: can you can design your pass plays away from the 1481 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,559 Speaker 1: cornerback that that you're worried about. And if the un 1482 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,200 Speaker 1: you know this, there are so many good wide receivers, 1483 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,439 Speaker 1: the number two and number three wide receivers anymore in 1484 01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,479 Speaker 1: the NFL are elite. They're really good. They're really good players. 1485 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,040 Speaker 1: So I don't I mean, you give me my number 1486 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,639 Speaker 1: two or whoever that is against your number two cornerback 1487 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 1: and I'll take. If I have a really good quarterback, 1488 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,000 Speaker 1: I'll exploit that matchup all day. Yeah, I'm an internal 1489 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm in an internal struggle as a pass rusher coverage. 1490 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:16,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what are you gonna do? All right, 1491 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,479 Speaker 1: let's take a break. Thanks for Mike. Thanks to Mike 1492 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,639 Speaker 1: Tanner of the Bleacher Report for coming in and talking 1493 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,120 Speaker 1: to us. We're gonna come back. We've got Robert May's 1494 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,160 Speaker 1: of The Ringer coming up at two o'clock. We've got 1495 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,120 Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Kalid to Health from One 1496 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:42,200 Speaker 1: Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to 1497 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,400 Speaker 1: One Bill's Live steep task. Along with Josh Reid, we 1498 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,960 Speaker 1: were talking to Mike Tanier of the Bleacher Report about us, 1499 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, goings on around the National Football League. Who 1500 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,439 Speaker 1: he thought the most important players were. Obviously all the 1501 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,200 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks are vastly important. Is number one guy? Who 1502 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,200 Speaker 1: was Jalen Ramsey the corner which took us to the 1503 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, the difference between pass rush and coverage, which 1504 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,200 Speaker 1: one's more important. We got talking in the break up 1505 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:10,440 Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and you know, obviously their ultimate importance is undisputable. 1506 01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,160 Speaker 1: But we've also got you know, we always, we always 1507 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,240 Speaker 1: link great quarterbacks to the head coaches that they play for. 1508 01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,479 Speaker 1: Our buddy Chris Sims, who comes on the show once 1509 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:24,200 Speaker 1: in a while, tweeted out his top forty quarterbacks around 1510 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,760 Speaker 1: the National Football and we got talking about you know, 1511 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,280 Speaker 1: you always like and I'll date myself a little bit. 1512 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,280 Speaker 1: I think back to Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr, and 1513 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,120 Speaker 1: then you go to Tom Landry and Roger Staubach, and 1514 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,960 Speaker 1: then you go to Chuck Noll and Terry Bradshaw, then 1515 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh and Joe Montana. Let's see who else we 1516 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: got and even in Shula Marino down, Dan Marino, Marv Levy, 1517 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,559 Speaker 1: Jim Dao, myself dating myself done, Dan Marino, Marv Levy, 1518 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:03,160 Speaker 1: Jim Kelly, um, Dan Reeves, John Elway, or maybe it's 1519 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,080 Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan, John Elway. Um, you know, so there's all 1520 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:10,920 Speaker 1: these quarterback you know, the coaching duo. So who like 1521 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,479 Speaker 1: in the in the league. Now, so let's go down 1522 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,640 Speaker 1: a quick list. Its handful and people can think of 1523 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,120 Speaker 1: him at home too, but um, who is this? And 1524 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:22,280 Speaker 1: it's it's got to be like Sean Payton, Drew Brees, sure, 1525 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,919 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, Ben Roethlisberger, Pete Carroll Russell, Carol Russell, Wilson's 1526 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,600 Speaker 1: a good one. Uh, who's some other who are the 1527 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:35,760 Speaker 1: great quarterbacks? Yeah? Oh well, now see Philip Rivers. That's 1528 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,320 Speaker 1: that's let's not even let's not even bring him up 1529 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,439 Speaker 1: because the exactly and then you've got You've got Philip 1530 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,679 Speaker 1: Rivers never really had that, right, Yeah, you're right, he's 1531 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,920 Speaker 1: had he's washed through head coaches. Uh through No, I 1532 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,479 Speaker 1: don't think through any fault zone. Um let's see who 1533 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,960 Speaker 1: who other? You know? But anyway, that's it now who 1534 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is another one, Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy, but 1535 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,120 Speaker 1: that would be that would probably be in he's But 1536 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 1: here's the thing, what's the next one? Well, that's what 1537 01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 1: we were talking about in the break and I think 1538 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 1: that I think we came up with a couple of 1539 01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,679 Speaker 1: good ones. Let's talk about the one that in Kansas City? First, 1540 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,200 Speaker 1: do you think because Andy Reid is obviously Patrick Mahomes, 1541 01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean he's and Andy Reid's a great head coach. 1542 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,080 Speaker 1: But Andy Reid's closer to the end of his career 1543 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,200 Speaker 1: coaching wise than I think he is at the beginning. 1544 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,479 Speaker 1: Um so I don't even know how does it last exactly? 1545 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,439 Speaker 1: And I think that Carol and Russell Wilson same thing, 1546 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,720 Speaker 1: same thing, but they're still they still piece. You know, 1547 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,840 Speaker 1: you can't tell he's got a ring. That's a good one. 1548 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,760 Speaker 1: Think about Sean mcvain and Jared God, that's the one 1549 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,760 Speaker 1: I like. I like that one a lot, And the 1550 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,160 Speaker 1: other one I like is Frank Reich and Andrew Luck. 1551 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,000 Speaker 1: And I told you it's just the reverse for those two. 1552 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck's thirty, thirty, I know, but comeback Player of 1553 01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,719 Speaker 1: the Year last year. Yeah, I mean, but he's thirty. 1554 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,400 Speaker 1: I still think his best football. I think we're going 1555 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,719 Speaker 1: to see his best three or four years of football. 1556 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,400 Speaker 1: And how often do we see quarterbacks anymore play until 1557 01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,960 Speaker 1: they're forty and are really really good. And there's some 1558 01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,880 Speaker 1: big there's some interesting stuff here too. Matt Ryan down 1559 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,320 Speaker 1: in Atlanta's never really had that one head coach that 1560 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,240 Speaker 1: he Hasnify I'm with now. It could be that Carson Wentz, 1561 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,760 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson. That's a good one. Long I didn't think 1562 01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,040 Speaker 1: about that one. That's a good one. It's interesting too. 1563 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that. Here's the thing too. You look 1564 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,680 Speaker 1: down in Dallas with Jason Garrett and Dak Prescott, but 1565 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:36,000 Speaker 1: it was also Jason Garrett and Tony Romo. But it's 1566 01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that those Let's see the success first, right, Sure, 1567 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,920 Speaker 1: they got to get to the you gotta get there, 1568 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,439 Speaker 1: win something, Cam Newton, it doesn't do anything for me, 1569 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,719 Speaker 1: not when it comes to elite. I mean, and one's 1570 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,960 Speaker 1: a good coach and one's a good quarterback. But I 1571 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:57,479 Speaker 1: don't go that's elite. I think I think no, let's 1572 01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,720 Speaker 1: face it match everybody. Everybody watching hopes that it's then 1573 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,920 Speaker 1: it's Sean and Josh. Quite frankly, I mean, that's what 1574 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,720 Speaker 1: everybody helps. But when you're talking about guys on the 1575 01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,240 Speaker 1: on the COSP already that you look at and go, 1576 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:14,519 Speaker 1: I mean mcvagh and goth that could be the next Belichick, Brady. 1577 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,040 Speaker 1: There's there's also these quarterbacks. She always think of these 1578 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,519 Speaker 1: coaches that you know, never had a quarterback and stuff. 1579 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,160 Speaker 1: There's also quarterbacks who never had a coach, like Philip Rivers, 1580 01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,720 Speaker 1: like Matt Stafford in Detroit. You can sling it. He's 1581 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,240 Speaker 1: a really good, like a tough guy and he has 1582 01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:31,120 Speaker 1: never had a coach. Matt Ryan, same thing. He was 1583 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,000 Speaker 1: an MVP guy and still has washed through three or 1584 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,160 Speaker 1: four head coaches. Uh Kirk Cousins is a guy who 1585 01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,160 Speaker 1: emerged in Washington with that. You know, I had to say, 1586 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,760 Speaker 1: it's a dumpster fire in Washington. But the way they 1587 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,520 Speaker 1: draft and where they think and where they do things 1588 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,680 Speaker 1: He's lucky to get out of there. You know. Now 1589 01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,880 Speaker 1: he's in Minnesota. Maybe he puts it. He had a 1590 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,639 Speaker 1: nice season in Minnesota, but is a team that didn't 1591 01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,080 Speaker 1: that didn't live up to expectations that he hasn't gotten 1592 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,960 Speaker 1: that coach yet. M Deshaun Watson don in Houston. I 1593 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,920 Speaker 1: mean Bill O'Brien was on the hot seat. I mean 1594 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,040 Speaker 1: two years ago, he was on the hot seat. We 1595 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,120 Speaker 1: talked to Mac Tanner the Bleach Report just a minute. 1596 01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,760 Speaker 1: He thinks they're wasting Deshaun Watson because you get these 1597 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,400 Speaker 1: these rookie quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks on their first their 1598 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,720 Speaker 1: first contract, you're supposed to pay the guys around them, 1599 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,479 Speaker 1: strike yeah before they you know, and get some success 1600 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,880 Speaker 1: while they're cheap enough to build a team around them 1601 01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,160 Speaker 1: and then win a different like they're doing in Seattle. 1602 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,360 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson went to a couple of Super Bowls on 1603 01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,000 Speaker 1: his rookie deal. They built the team around him. Then 1604 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,720 Speaker 1: they had to pay him, and then the legion of 1605 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,160 Speaker 1: boom had to go away. All those guys couldn't They 1606 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,680 Speaker 1: couldn't pay all of them. And now they're winning with 1607 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,040 Speaker 1: offense and actually starting to do that and win a 1608 01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,519 Speaker 1: different way, and you gotta tip your hat to peak 1609 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,400 Speaker 1: careful figuring out how to do that. But these quarterbacks 1610 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,679 Speaker 1: are they're always linked to this head coach as a great, 1611 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,439 Speaker 1: elite player, and then every so often it goes both. 1612 01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,080 Speaker 1: It's hard to go the other way. It's hard to 1613 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,400 Speaker 1: have a great coach and not have that guy. How 1614 01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:00,600 Speaker 1: under appreciated is what Roethlisberger and Tomlin been able to do. 1615 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,600 Speaker 1: Is it underappreciated or no? Or is it or is 1616 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,639 Speaker 1: it fair? Because let's face it, I mean they've run 1617 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,960 Speaker 1: into the same issue. You know, the Bills have run 1618 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,800 Speaker 1: it into it divisionally, but I mean in the conference, 1619 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,599 Speaker 1: the Steelers have had the Patriots to stare down every 1620 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,880 Speaker 1: single n They're in a tough division to Cincinnati was 1621 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,160 Speaker 1: always and the Ravens were ridiculous when Ben started, right, 1622 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,439 Speaker 1: So they the Ravens and the and the Bengals are 1623 01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,120 Speaker 1: going through upticks while Ben and Tomlin have been there. 1624 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,599 Speaker 1: Of course they've had their success as well. They want 1625 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,360 Speaker 1: a couple of Super Bowls. Yeah, that's it. I don't 1626 01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,400 Speaker 1: know that they ever will. Mike Tomlin to me, I've 1627 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,479 Speaker 1: spoken with a guy I've I don't know. I can't 1628 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,080 Speaker 1: think off the top of my head of anybody who 1629 01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,000 Speaker 1: has impressed me more than Mike Tomlin when you sit 1630 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,880 Speaker 1: in a room and talk with him about his team. 1631 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,280 Speaker 1: He's an impressive head coach. And people talk about Mike 1632 01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,200 Speaker 1: Tomlin being on the hot seat and this kind of thing. 1633 01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't buy it up for a minute, not for 1634 01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,040 Speaker 1: a minute. And the Steelers that that organization, they don't 1635 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,360 Speaker 1: change head coaches. That's right, that's why he's not on 1636 01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:06,439 Speaker 1: the hot seat. The owner, Dan Rooney, god rest his soul, 1637 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,400 Speaker 1: told me point blaise. I asked him. I said, mister, 1638 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,000 Speaker 1: mister Rooney, how do you do that? How do you 1639 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,840 Speaker 1: pick Chuck Nol then Bill Kauer? Now Mike Tomlin? What 1640 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,840 Speaker 1: what is your criteria? What's the seat? How did you do? 1641 01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:22,840 Speaker 1: All of them won a Super Bowl, all of them 1642 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,720 Speaker 1: went to multiple Super Bowls, and all of them were 1643 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,280 Speaker 1: they he goes, you hire, he goes. He shrugs it, 1644 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, he shrugs his shoulders. He's hunched over. He's 1645 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,000 Speaker 1: like four foot six inches tall. He's looking up at 1646 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,320 Speaker 1: me and he looks. He goes, listen, he goes, and 1647 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,080 Speaker 1: he goes, you hire the smartest guy you can find 1648 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,200 Speaker 1: and you support him until he figures it out. I 1649 01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,400 Speaker 1: don't know how they do it. There's two count let 1650 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,880 Speaker 1: him figure it out, but you support him. And that's 1651 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,559 Speaker 1: what they do with Tomlin. That's what they did with 1652 01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,439 Speaker 1: kaer Uh. There was a power struggle between Tom donohoe 1653 01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,200 Speaker 1: and Bill Kauer down in Pittsburgh. They went with the 1654 01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,519 Speaker 1: coach because he's the guy, and they it up being 1655 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:08,200 Speaker 1: rewarded for that. That's unbelievable. Look at the coaching, the coaches, 1656 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,880 Speaker 1: the head coaches they've had, and you know what they 1657 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,440 Speaker 1: all have in common. Great quarterbacks. They all had quarterbacks. 1658 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,720 Speaker 1: They all had a guy that could they could get 1659 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,280 Speaker 1: the job done. I'll tell you this too. They so 1660 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,479 Speaker 1: that's why what about Mike Tomlin. I don't there is 1661 01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:26,120 Speaker 1: no hot seat in Pittsburgh. They don't throw those guys out. 1662 01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,000 Speaker 1: You're the guy, You're gonna figure it out and you're 1663 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,000 Speaker 1: gonna do it. And Mike Tomlin and I think Ben 1664 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,439 Speaker 1: gives them some issues. He's a little bit of he's 1665 01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,439 Speaker 1: a little bit of rock star and that causes some 1666 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,400 Speaker 1: dynamic problems. You got guys like Antonio Brown that just 1667 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,080 Speaker 1: gets sick of dealing with it. I think probably that 1668 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,760 Speaker 1: was part of Levion Bell's thing too, And absolutely that 1669 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,120 Speaker 1: was you know, Levion Bell had a lot of reasons 1670 01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:46,920 Speaker 1: to do what he did. It might have cost him 1671 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,439 Speaker 1: a lot of money in the long run, but I 1672 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,680 Speaker 1: think personally he felt like he needed to do it 1673 01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,439 Speaker 1: and he can sleep at night, and he can sleep 1674 01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,599 Speaker 1: at night and listen once you've already made fourteen million 1675 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,479 Speaker 1: dollars and as he's like, okay, you know, I can 1676 01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,880 Speaker 1: take a hero, you know what I mean. So, but 1677 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,720 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown made no bones about it because I can't live. 1678 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,920 Speaker 1: He couldn't live with Ben. No, Ben was just making 1679 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,280 Speaker 1: it too hard. Ben runs the show in there, yea 1680 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,280 Speaker 1: and a thousand, and he's earned it, no question. Yeah, 1681 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that he's enough. I don't know if 1682 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,160 Speaker 1: he's wheeling his influence in the best way. Sure, given 1683 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,679 Speaker 1: the fact that these some of the guys are having 1684 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,760 Speaker 1: a problem with him. But they had a down year 1685 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,920 Speaker 1: last year and they won nine and six. I know, yeah, 1686 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,120 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That's not a bad way to live. 1687 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're six and one, nine, six and one, 1688 01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,000 Speaker 1: that chance to get in at the end two yeah, 1689 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,360 Speaker 1: nine six and one. Bad year? Yeah for their standard 1690 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,000 Speaker 1: that's right, And that's that'll give you some cache in 1691 01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,920 Speaker 1: the locker room when you're the quarterback and you've got 1692 01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,639 Speaker 1: some rings already. He and he's a Hall of Famer, 1693 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,559 Speaker 1: Right is right. I think he's a first ballot hall 1694 01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,799 Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. 1695 01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,479 Speaker 1: I think he has still got a lot of football 1696 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,120 Speaker 1: left in him. I think of all the guys playing, 1697 01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,000 Speaker 1: he could probably play as long as he wants two, 1698 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,759 Speaker 1: more so than either even Tom Brady. I think Ben, 1699 01:22:56,439 --> 01:23:00,719 Speaker 1: because of how he's put together, can play as long 1700 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,840 Speaker 1: as he wants to. I'm talking, I'm talking longer than 1701 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,080 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Because the fact that when you go out 1702 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,920 Speaker 1: there and you watch them played there, he is the 1703 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,160 Speaker 1: biggest guy on the field. He's enormous, He's he is 1704 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,680 Speaker 1: still when you watch him throw it, he throws it 1705 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,559 Speaker 1: more as accurately and as with as strong arm as 1706 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,679 Speaker 1: anybody in the NFL. He still is tough to bring 1707 01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,840 Speaker 1: down in the pocket. I think we're gonna I think 1708 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna see Ben. Two years ago they were talking about, 1709 01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,760 Speaker 1: Oh Ben's thinking about retiring, Da da da dah. He 1710 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,040 Speaker 1: ain't going anywhere. How about this, this shocks me. Guy 1711 01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,680 Speaker 1: had to look it up. They averaged three hundred and 1712 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,559 Speaker 1: thirteen yards passing a game last year. That was second 1713 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL. He threw for five thousand yards. That's unbelievable. 1714 01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:50,479 Speaker 1: Didn't he didn't. I'm looking at the team's stat right now, 1715 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:56,040 Speaker 1: and that's Ben. Roethlisberger had a great year last year. 1716 01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,280 Speaker 1: He led the league in passing, didn't he three They 1717 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:04,760 Speaker 1: averaged four hundred and three yards. Yeah, I mean offensively, 1718 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,280 Speaker 1: they were in the top six, and all your important 1719 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,960 Speaker 1: categories points yards. He had fifty one hundred and twenty 1720 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,240 Speaker 1: nine yards last year, thirty four touchdowns and sixteen interceptions 1721 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,360 Speaker 1: fifty one hundred yards. There's only been like twelve of 1722 01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,320 Speaker 1: those seasons in the history of the league. But to 1723 01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,960 Speaker 1: your point, Thoma's not going anywhere. Tom's not going anywhere 1724 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,000 Speaker 1: anywhere as long as long as he can put up 1725 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,800 Speaker 1: with Ben, He's not going to go anywhere because because Mike, 1726 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,080 Speaker 1: Mike might go. I've also had enough of Ben, I mean, 1727 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,080 Speaker 1: because like you said, he's the one calling the shots, 1728 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,599 Speaker 1: and I you know Mike better, obviously better than I do. 1729 01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,559 Speaker 1: But I don't know, I mean, but I know he is. 1730 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,280 Speaker 1: He has got a strength that you rarely see it 1731 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:54,240 Speaker 1: at this level, umolve, and also an impressive an impressive 1732 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:58,160 Speaker 1: nature about him that would allow him to handle a 1733 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,120 Speaker 1: guy like Ben. Now, Sir, I think that he might 1734 01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,000 Speaker 1: have let Ben get a little bit out of hand 1735 01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,519 Speaker 1: with the way he handles his team, with way Ben 1736 01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,400 Speaker 1: handles his teammates, the way things are there, and he 1737 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,720 Speaker 1: could have probably done a better job of mentoring Ben, 1738 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,479 Speaker 1: or if Ben would have had it. Sure, you're not 1739 01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,960 Speaker 1: gonna you can the leash got long in Pittsburgh, right. 1740 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,600 Speaker 1: You can help him as much as you can. But 1741 01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,280 Speaker 1: if if it's not gonna work and you gotta, you 1742 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,160 Speaker 1: gotta do what it takes, which I think is what happened. 1743 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,240 Speaker 1: He made it work with Todd Haley. Todd Haley one 1744 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,920 Speaker 1: of the strongest personality assistant coaches in the league. Him 1745 01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,320 Speaker 1: and Ben did not get along, and Tomlin made it work. 1746 01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean he sat on them both and kept him 1747 01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:38,400 Speaker 1: together and they had some really good runs there. Yeah, 1748 01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,080 Speaker 1: But because look at the Haley experiment in Cleveland that 1749 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,600 Speaker 1: didn't last long. I mean, Hugh Jackson isn't Mike Tomlin exactly, 1750 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:50,040 Speaker 1: and I mean that shows you how well Tomlin is 1751 01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,120 Speaker 1: maybe it juggling these personalities, the fact that he got 1752 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,479 Speaker 1: those guys to kind of walk the line the best 1753 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,080 Speaker 1: they could. Maybe maybe he got the most out of 1754 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:03,880 Speaker 1: that relationship with Brown, Bell and and Ben. Yeah. Anyway, 1755 01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,720 Speaker 1: and my point isn't about this whole thing. If you think, 1756 01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,120 Speaker 1: if you get to the point where you look down 1757 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,519 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh you can see all the drama and all 1758 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,200 Speaker 1: the problems down there, don't think for a minute, Mike 1759 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,920 Speaker 1: Thomas on the hot seat or to day, they ain't 1760 01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,800 Speaker 1: gonna win nine ten games again this year. I'm telling 1761 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,840 Speaker 1: you right now, that's I'm calling it. Yeah. So they 1762 01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,800 Speaker 1: just never they just never had. All Right, we're gonna 1763 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,519 Speaker 1: come back. We've got Robert May's coming up from the 1764 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,360 Speaker 1: Ringer at two o'clock. We've got One Bill's Live presented 1765 01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,400 Speaker 1: by Kalida Health. From One Bill's Drive, Josh Reid and 1766 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:46,320 Speaker 1: Steve Tasker will be right back. Welcome back to One 1767 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,400 Speaker 1: of Bill's Lives. Tea. Tasker joined today for our final 1768 01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:52,679 Speaker 1: show on the Friday by Josh Reid, Sports Director Channel 1769 01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,360 Speaker 1: four here in Buffalo. And as I get into I 1770 01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,240 Speaker 1: forgot what we were gonna just talk about right here? 1771 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,360 Speaker 1: What was it? We you lost your training had one 1772 01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,400 Speaker 1: because it's Friday. So I was laughing because you go 1773 01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,559 Speaker 1: down this stuff and we're talking about the eighteen game 1774 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,880 Speaker 1: schedule and the roughness of the game. And I came 1775 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:15,240 Speaker 1: across this thing where you've seen this building, this new 1776 01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:20,000 Speaker 1: thing that we've got over here. That I didn't realize 1777 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,920 Speaker 1: until we started getting into this, that the Bills led 1778 01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:27,120 Speaker 1: the league in game in manned games lost to injury. 1779 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,240 Speaker 1: Last year they had the fewest, right, And I didn't 1780 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:34,760 Speaker 1: realize the paradigm shift that still exists, that that there's 1781 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:40,160 Speaker 1: at the cutting edge of by requiring their players to 1782 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,599 Speaker 1: get treatment, to go in and get whatever fixed up, 1783 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:48,160 Speaker 1: and give every form of recovery protocol that they can 1784 01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:52,400 Speaker 1: think of, and having manned and staffed. And here, what's amazing, 1785 01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,040 Speaker 1: every little edge right. I can't tell you how far 1786 01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,120 Speaker 1: afield that part of the NFL is. Marv Leevy used 1787 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,320 Speaker 1: to tell us way back in the nine you said, listen, guys, 1788 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,679 Speaker 1: you know you got thirty two teams. The difference between 1789 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,240 Speaker 1: the best team in the league and the worst team 1790 01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,320 Speaker 1: in the league is maybe two percent of the total. 1791 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,439 Speaker 1: You know you're better, You're one hundred percent. Is better 1792 01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,000 Speaker 1: than their ninety eight percent. That's why you win more games, 1793 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,200 Speaker 1: he says. But I'll tell you this, that two percent 1794 01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,880 Speaker 1: is one hundred percent of the difference. Whatever you got 1795 01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,120 Speaker 1: in there, you got to you got it right. And 1796 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,920 Speaker 1: you talk about a building like this, like this came out. 1797 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,280 Speaker 1: For the fifth straight year, the Cincinnati Bengals have lost 1798 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,840 Speaker 1: their first round picked a significant time. They've lost him 1799 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,360 Speaker 1: for the season, Jonah Williams left tackle. He's out for 1800 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,320 Speaker 1: the year. And that was a guy who was linked 1801 01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,360 Speaker 1: to the bill. I mean not who knows if it 1802 01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,640 Speaker 1: would have happened. You know, you never know, right, But 1803 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,240 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Back in the day, and you've all 1804 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,200 Speaker 1: heard it like you can't make the club in the tub. Sure, Well, 1805 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,800 Speaker 1: now it's like, listen, this is a tough game. It's 1806 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,080 Speaker 1: a physically demanding and brutal game. You better make sure 1807 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,479 Speaker 1: you're in there and having the medical staff making sure 1808 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,559 Speaker 1: you're little nicks and cuts are fixed up so you 1809 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,920 Speaker 1: can practice and play and be on the field ready. 1810 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,439 Speaker 1: It's an entirely new way to look at things, and 1811 01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,639 Speaker 1: I think it makes so much sense. And you think, back, guy, 1812 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,200 Speaker 1: you gotta be tough to play this game. You know, 1813 01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:14,519 Speaker 1: just tape an asper into that cut. You'll be all right. 1814 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,960 Speaker 1: That kind of thing that's gone at least in this building. Now. 1815 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,760 Speaker 1: As I look around the league, and because I just 1816 01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:22,920 Speaker 1: left doing the National Broadcast League, so you can get 1817 01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,800 Speaker 1: an idea of there are teams out there. This is 1818 01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,320 Speaker 1: so far a field from where their mindset is from 1819 01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:35,840 Speaker 1: some coaches and organizations and teams and ownership groups and facilities. 1820 01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:40,640 Speaker 1: This is so far away from where they're at. And 1821 01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,439 Speaker 1: they've already started to gain benefits from it. Last year, 1822 01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,479 Speaker 1: before they had this building, they were still doing this. 1823 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,600 Speaker 1: But now they've got the facilities to match their philosophy 1824 01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,719 Speaker 1: of you got to get in there and get well. 1825 01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:53,800 Speaker 1: You've got to get in there and doing this little 1826 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,519 Speaker 1: cryo chamber, this whatever, this dry needle acupuncture. I can't 1827 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,960 Speaker 1: tell you how unbelievab different that is. And we see 1828 01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:06,040 Speaker 1: the guys on Instagram all the time as soon as 1829 01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,040 Speaker 1: they because they'll post videos of it. As soon as 1830 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,160 Speaker 1: they're done with a workout, they get right into this 1831 01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,840 Speaker 1: humongous cold tub and I mean it's because they're all 1832 01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,880 Speaker 1: in it. I mean, and they and they get in 1833 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,920 Speaker 1: there and they are in it for and it's not 1834 01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,679 Speaker 1: like you know, the little tin tubs that you used 1835 01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,920 Speaker 1: to sit in with filled with ice and water. I mean, 1836 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:29,439 Speaker 1: this thing, this thing has got motors and jets, it's 1837 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,160 Speaker 1: got oh, it's and it you know. And Sean has 1838 01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,080 Speaker 1: said it. The best of ability is availability, I mean, 1839 01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,120 Speaker 1: and he says it all the time. And I mean you, 1840 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,639 Speaker 1: because you can't help the team if you're if you're 1841 01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,599 Speaker 1: on the sideline. And that's the same philosophy that where 1842 01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,640 Speaker 1: that tough guy attitude came from. But the way to 1843 01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,200 Speaker 1: get there is to get help. You get get coached 1844 01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:50,559 Speaker 1: in the weight room, you get coached on the field. 1845 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,160 Speaker 1: You gotta get coached on how to stay healthy and 1846 01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,920 Speaker 1: how to get healthy. And and I just think it's 1847 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,400 Speaker 1: a it's a great spot to be and you should 1848 01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,880 Speaker 1: exploit this lead while you have it. And the players 1849 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:04,520 Speaker 1: are smart because at the end of the day, everybody 1850 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,120 Speaker 1: wants paid well. The only way to get paid is 1851 01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,160 Speaker 1: to be on the field, right. The only way to 1852 01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,760 Speaker 1: run for ten touchdowns is to be healthy, yep, and 1853 01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,760 Speaker 1: not miss four games. All right, Steve Tasker and Josh 1854 01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,200 Speaker 1: Dat One Bills Live. We're coming from One Bill's Drive. 1855 01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:22,200 Speaker 1: We've gotten Robert May's coming up after the break. He's 1856 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,519 Speaker 1: from the ring A. We're going to talk to him 1857 01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,680 Speaker 1: about the Buffalo Bills and the strides they made on 1858 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,320 Speaker 1: their roster on the offensive side, along with some other stuff. 1859 01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,000 Speaker 1: So stay with us. This is One Bills Live from 1860 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:41,320 Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio, Buffalo 1861 01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:46,320 Speaker 1: Bills Radio Network. Sports Dates. Sabers development camp on an 1862 01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,559 Speaker 1: off ice sessions finish up today and the French Connection 1863 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,719 Speaker 1: Tournament will highlight the final day of camp Tomorrow, June 1864 01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,160 Speaker 1: twenty ninth, beginning at ten forty five am. It's going 1865 01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,320 Speaker 1: to take place at the Harbor Center. Tickets for that 1866 01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:02,599 Speaker 1: tournament are available exclusively. Tickets for the tournament are available 1867 01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,720 Speaker 1: exclusively for twenty nineteen to twenty twenty Sabers season ticket holders. 1868 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:11,120 Speaker 1: Tickets are available and free and limited to two per account. 1869 01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,679 Speaker 1: It will be and he distributed on a first come, 1870 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,400 Speaker 1: first surf basis. The tournament will also be streamed live 1871 01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,880 Speaker 1: on Sabers dot Com and the team's social media platforms. 1872 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,280 Speaker 1: Patrick Marlowe's contract was brought out by the Hurricanes yesterday. 1873 01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,760 Speaker 1: He was entering the last year of a three year 1874 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,000 Speaker 1: contract he signed with the Maple Leafs in twenty seventeen, 1875 01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,679 Speaker 1: it had an average average worth of six point two 1876 01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,160 Speaker 1: five million per year. Marlow has six eleven hundred and 1877 01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:40,840 Speaker 1: sixty six points in twenty one NHL seasons. Defenseman Carl 1878 01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,560 Speaker 1: Gunnerson agreed to a two year deal with the Blues yesterday. 1879 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,120 Speaker 1: It has an average annual value of one point seven 1880 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,160 Speaker 1: five million. He's got. He had one goal and two 1881 01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:55,160 Speaker 1: assists in this two nineteen Stanley Cup Playoffs, that one 1882 01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,599 Speaker 1: goal being the Game two overtime winner in the Cup final. 1883 01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,120 Speaker 1: Gunnerson had seven point points and was a plus eight 1884 01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,240 Speaker 1: in twenty five regular season games for the Blues this season. 1885 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,760 Speaker 1: The twenty nineteen FIFA Women's World Cup continues today, where 1886 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,679 Speaker 1: the US will face France at three pm Eastern Time 1887 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,320 Speaker 1: in Paris in the quarterfinals. The US defeated Spain on 1888 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,880 Speaker 1: Monday and France beat Brazil on Sunday. You can catch 1889 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,800 Speaker 1: the game on Fox. The Bison's fell to Scranton Wilkesbury 1890 01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,160 Speaker 1: four to six in the first game of last night's doubleheader, 1891 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,720 Speaker 1: but they beat the rail Riders one to zero in 1892 01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,240 Speaker 1: game two. They host the Syracuse Mets this weekend, and 1893 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,559 Speaker 1: the first pitch is tonight at seven o five pm. 1894 01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,759 Speaker 1: That is your sports update. We're gonna have Robert May's 1895 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,840 Speaker 1: from The Ringer on at about two fifteen coming up 1896 01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,880 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. Meanwhile, we're rolling around in 1897 01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,360 Speaker 1: this Twitter poll, what burning question of head of do 1898 01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,920 Speaker 1: you have about the Buffalo Bills headed into training camp. 1899 01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,360 Speaker 1: Most people's questions burning questions have to do with number 1900 01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,760 Speaker 1: seventeen and how he's gonna play in, what development we're 1901 01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna see in him early on. I think there's no 1902 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,200 Speaker 1: doubt there are a lot of teams in that boat 1903 01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,240 Speaker 1: with Buffalo and then their young quarterbacks, Cleveland, the Jets, 1904 01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:12,400 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, certainly the Ravens are in that boat as well. 1905 01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,439 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a big season for all of 1906 01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,360 Speaker 1: those teams for all of those reasons. And I think, 1907 01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about the burning questions, it's 1908 01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,760 Speaker 1: gonna be fun finally get some of these questions answered. Yeah, 1909 01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,960 Speaker 1: I thought this was an interesting one. Brian tweeted the 1910 01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:28,439 Speaker 1: tight end he was. He was wondering where they're going 1911 01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,439 Speaker 1: to be when they had to week one, And you know, 1912 01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,880 Speaker 1: I think they believe Tyler Croft was going to be 1913 01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,240 Speaker 1: the guy. That's why they gave him all the money 1914 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,680 Speaker 1: in free agency, and then unfortunately day one of the 1915 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:42,120 Speaker 1: OTA's you know, breaks his foot and they're still not 1916 01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,320 Speaker 1: sure of a timeline on when he's going to be back. 1917 01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,920 Speaker 1: But I was I watched Dawson Knox a lot during 1918 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,000 Speaker 1: the OTAs a mini camp, and I was impressed. I 1919 01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:54,559 Speaker 1: think this kid, they may have something here. And we've 1920 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,679 Speaker 1: seen time and again, although it's only been a couple 1921 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:02,559 Speaker 1: of years, Sean and Brandon have found gems late in 1922 01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,639 Speaker 1: the draft, in the mid rounds. I mean, they've found 1923 01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:06,680 Speaker 1: tarn Johnson, They've been able to find some of that 1924 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,400 Speaker 1: Matt Milano, They've found some of these guys. Now obviously 1925 01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,400 Speaker 1: Matt goes back to Sean's first one because Brandon wasn't here, 1926 01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,200 Speaker 1: but they've been able to find some guys in those 1927 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:20,519 Speaker 1: mid rounds that have been able to produce a lot. 1928 01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,599 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be interested to see if if Dawson 1929 01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:27,320 Speaker 1: Knox start the season and play as well, Tyler Craft 1930 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,519 Speaker 1: might be on the outside looking in. Yeah, I mean, 1931 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,320 Speaker 1: that's it's hard to eat. And it's like you said, 1932 01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,559 Speaker 1: you gotta be available, and Dawson Knox and some of 1933 01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,680 Speaker 1: these younger guys even to the point, like a guy 1934 01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,200 Speaker 1: like Devin Singletary, he's gonna get a ton of work 1935 01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:43,920 Speaker 1: in the priests shirt. Because there's one thing you don't 1936 01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,599 Speaker 1: need to know, it's how Lashawn McCoy and Frank Gore 1937 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,479 Speaker 1: are gonna be when they step out there. So there's 1938 01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:50,960 Speaker 1: a lot of that's going to be going on in 1939 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:55,320 Speaker 1: this preseason. I'm with you this Dawson k We had 1940 01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,040 Speaker 1: him on the show and some of these guys come in, 1941 01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,680 Speaker 1: they sit in the studio with us. Dawson Knox comes 1942 01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:03,720 Speaker 1: in them. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he's huge and he's 1943 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:08,160 Speaker 1: a big dude and so and he also had um 1944 01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,000 Speaker 1: and I don't, for lack of a better way to 1945 01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,360 Speaker 1: put it, he had this presence about him. I mean, 1946 01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:18,920 Speaker 1: this guy was a young, serious, a very serious, an 1947 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,960 Speaker 1: it kind of kid. He he was in And most 1948 01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,559 Speaker 1: of these kids come in and there and they're chatty enough, 1949 01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,120 Speaker 1: but they don't want to say anything silly. You know. 1950 01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:28,960 Speaker 1: There you can tell they've got their guard. You know, 1951 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,280 Speaker 1: they haven't dealt with the media that much at whatever 1952 01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,720 Speaker 1: college they were at, particularly the position players quarterbacks, You'll 1953 01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,800 Speaker 1: get guys that are, you know, sometimes more well versed 1954 01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,360 Speaker 1: in doing interviews and stuff. But you know, they come 1955 01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,000 Speaker 1: in and they've got their guard up and there there's 1956 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,400 Speaker 1: their their cliche machines and they don't do it. Dawson 1957 01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,280 Speaker 1: Knox wasn't like that. He was pretty thoughtful and while 1958 01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:50,160 Speaker 1: he had his guard up, he was a pretty serious speaker. 1959 01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:54,960 Speaker 1: He had a real air about him of being an adult. Sara, 1960 01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,160 Speaker 1: we say, Um, some of these guys come out and 1961 01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:58,840 Speaker 1: they're a little bright eyed and a little you know, 1962 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,840 Speaker 1: it's all wow and this need. Dawson Knox didn't have 1963 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,960 Speaker 1: that about him. Um, I'm with you because we interviewed 1964 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:08,639 Speaker 1: him after the OTAs the actually was rookie minicamp, right, 1965 01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,479 Speaker 1: so you don't getting a chance to speak to at 1966 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,639 Speaker 1: Oliver and Cody Ford and some of these younger guys, 1967 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,759 Speaker 1: and and when we when we spoke with Dawson Knox, 1968 01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,760 Speaker 1: it was different. He just seemed like he had been 1969 01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,840 Speaker 1: in the league for three years. It just seemed like 1970 01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,240 Speaker 1: you were talking to a guy who, like you said, 1971 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,360 Speaker 1: he has been interviewed before. It wasn't doesn't he I 1972 01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,080 Speaker 1: don't don't. He doesn't come across as a Yeah, I 1973 01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,240 Speaker 1: don't think the moment's ever gonna be too big for him. 1974 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,320 Speaker 1: Whether or not he can play at this level, we'll see, 1975 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,160 Speaker 1: but certainly, um, he's got the mentality for it, he's 1976 01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,680 Speaker 1: got the physical build for it. Um he's you know, 1977 01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:47,120 Speaker 1: he's got a lot. He's got to prove a lot 1978 01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:48,840 Speaker 1: of things, no question about it. There's a lot of 1979 01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,280 Speaker 1: things we don't know about him, and there's a lot 1980 01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,919 Speaker 1: of things he doesn't know. As well. As as confident 1981 01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,360 Speaker 1: as and as uh self assured as he was, I'm 1982 01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:58,280 Speaker 1: not saying he was cocky or anything like that, not 1983 01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:03,160 Speaker 1: at all. He just did not have any angst about 1984 01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:05,560 Speaker 1: how this was all going to turn out. It was 1985 01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,840 Speaker 1: pretty refreshing to talk to a young guy like that 1986 01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,479 Speaker 1: who was, well, usually you talked to a guy like that, 1987 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:14,160 Speaker 1: he's an old guy. This guy seemed he was a 1988 01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,439 Speaker 1: young guy, but you know, he seemed he literally seemed 1989 01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,280 Speaker 1: like he had already signed three contracts, played it out, 1990 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,560 Speaker 1: had you know, had a nice career behind him, and 1991 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,960 Speaker 1: was you know, helping you out. It was just it 1992 01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,320 Speaker 1: was a different feel. And I don't know what we're 1993 01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,120 Speaker 1: gonna see from him when the things really go, but 1994 01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question he's gonna be on 1995 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,000 Speaker 1: this squad and he's gonna contribute in some way, shape 1996 01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,479 Speaker 1: or form. Yeah, And I mean I think everybody has 1997 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,200 Speaker 1: pretty high expectations for the at Oliver and Cody Ford 1998 01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:43,920 Speaker 1: and those guys, But I think that he's the one 1999 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:48,040 Speaker 1: rookie that we may look back three years from now 2000 01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:51,200 Speaker 1: and go they stole him. Yeah, So we've been we've 2001 01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,360 Speaker 1: been going through this. We've had a lot of conversations, 2002 01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,479 Speaker 1: a lot this burning question. Ahead of training camp. We 2003 01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,360 Speaker 1: asked you, the listeners, if you had something that was 2004 01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,240 Speaker 1: really bugging, you can get in on an eight h 2005 01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,479 Speaker 1: three oh five five ye one eight eight fifty two 2006 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,040 Speaker 1: five fifty. We've kind of strayed away from it because 2007 01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,040 Speaker 1: most of the it's been a little bit of a 2008 01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,200 Speaker 1: run of the mill twitter question. I'll admit like that. 2009 01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,519 Speaker 1: Then some from number one on the te tweet sheet 2010 01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:14,800 Speaker 1: brought it to us by a Corrigan Moving Systems, the 2011 01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,200 Speaker 1: official movers of the Buffalo Bills from Brian tight End. 2012 01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,000 Speaker 1: We're entering week one confidently or the wheels in motion 2013 01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,519 Speaker 1: to bolster what I consider the weakest link. Certainly there 2014 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,639 Speaker 1: are more unknowns there. Yeah, you're right, Brian, we'll see 2015 01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,320 Speaker 1: from vents on the tweet sheet, my one burning question 2016 01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:33,080 Speaker 1: would be have McDermott and being saturated this roster with 2017 01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:37,160 Speaker 1: enough talent to launch this team into the person perennial 2018 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:42,479 Speaker 1: long term success. The Bills organization and community covets there's 2019 01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:44,519 Speaker 1: a lot in their vents. Can the new player coaching 2020 01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,920 Speaker 1: additions propel the Bills to the next level? That's right, 2021 01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,400 Speaker 1: because here's the thing there. From from my perspective and 2022 01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:52,840 Speaker 1: from what I've seen about around the National Football League, 2023 01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:55,760 Speaker 1: from all the things that have transpired around me and 2024 01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:59,719 Speaker 1: other teams that I've observed, successful ones, unsuccessful ones, perennial 2025 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:05,760 Speaker 1: loo users and perennial winners. The Bills have made every concerted, intelligent, 2026 01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,800 Speaker 1: smart decision and discipline decision into doing this for long 2027 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,760 Speaker 1: term success. Certainly, they wanted to win every game that 2028 01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:17,599 Speaker 1: they coached or you know, the coached here or played here, 2029 01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,320 Speaker 1: but they knew that they had to do some things 2030 01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:22,439 Speaker 1: to get it ready to be able to sustain it. 2031 01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,080 Speaker 1: And if they can get this team to a point 2032 01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:30,360 Speaker 1: where they're winning double digit games, it's gonna be sustainable. 2033 01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:33,400 Speaker 1: That's been the entire foundation that they've laid this on. 2034 01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:36,280 Speaker 1: They've got things strung out, They've got a philosophy of 2035 01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,400 Speaker 1: signing key players that are maybe only on one year deals. 2036 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,200 Speaker 1: A lot of contributors are only just kind of there 2037 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,600 Speaker 1: to prove it. They've got them highly motivated in a 2038 01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,680 Speaker 1: spot where they can flourish. I think it's been a 2039 01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,519 Speaker 1: really good philosophy. We're gonna have to see how it 2040 01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,719 Speaker 1: turns out. But as for being sustainable, I think, yeah, 2041 01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,000 Speaker 1: that's the entire idea that they started with. Well exactly, 2042 01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:58,439 Speaker 1: that's what they started with when Sean from day one, 2043 01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,759 Speaker 1: when Sean and Brandon both walked end of the doors, 2044 01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,439 Speaker 1: they both said, look, this isn't about ending the drought 2045 01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:07,200 Speaker 1: in one year and then having to completely strip it 2046 01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:11,280 Speaker 1: down and redo it. But it was all about being 2047 01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:15,040 Speaker 1: here for the long term and not just ending the 2048 01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,720 Speaker 1: drought and then losing a playoff game, and it was 2049 01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,360 Speaker 1: about eventually winning a Super Bowl. I mean, they've made 2050 01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,280 Speaker 1: it clear that that's and let's face it, that's the 2051 01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,760 Speaker 1: reason they moved on from Tyrod at the end of 2052 01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,160 Speaker 1: the day because they that was just kind of kind 2053 01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:30,439 Speaker 1: of be it was. It was. He wasn't going to 2054 01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,720 Speaker 1: get him them to where they needed to go. So 2055 01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:34,240 Speaker 1: they thought, you know what, we have to take one 2056 01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,439 Speaker 1: step forward to take fifty one back, to take fifteen forward. 2057 01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,360 Speaker 1: They were going to do it. Yeah, the thought about Tyrone, 2058 01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't mean this to be disrespectful of Tyrone. I 2059 01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,800 Speaker 1: love that gun. He was a great guy. He was 2060 01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,040 Speaker 1: a great guy, and he was right with this team 2061 01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,519 Speaker 1: needed sure time. They got him, and he played well. 2062 01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:51,559 Speaker 1: He got this team to the playoff. He helped get 2063 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,320 Speaker 1: this team to the playoffs. But the thought around and 2064 01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,799 Speaker 1: even now as he's backing up Baker Mayfield in Cleveland, 2065 01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,679 Speaker 1: you felt like you had a low ceiling with him. 2066 01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,040 Speaker 1: He was a six year VET when the Bills got him, 2067 01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:04,840 Speaker 1: and he was the same player when he left here 2068 01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,519 Speaker 1: as he was when he got here. He didn't he 2069 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:08,880 Speaker 1: didn't progress, he didn't get further. And certainly you can 2070 01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,160 Speaker 1: point to the roster around him as being insufficient or 2071 01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,880 Speaker 1: not good enough. But they ran the football extremely well 2072 01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,040 Speaker 1: with him here. They had a number one running attack 2073 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,840 Speaker 1: and they're passing attack largely in due in part to him, 2074 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,439 Speaker 1: mostly to him. It could not keep up with that 2075 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,120 Speaker 1: rushing attack. So they decided to make that change and 2076 01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:27,880 Speaker 1: go for the higher ceiling and roll the dice with 2077 01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,200 Speaker 1: this guy, Josh Allen, and you have to you have to. 2078 01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,160 Speaker 1: You have to in the league. I mean, you've got 2079 01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,240 Speaker 1: to find a guy that can that's going to be 2080 01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,160 Speaker 1: the difference maker in the NFL if you're gonna want 2081 01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,240 Speaker 1: to win at the ultimate, ultimate level and compets for 2082 01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:40,880 Speaker 1: the Super Bowls. And that's what they made to do. 2083 01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,360 Speaker 1: But that's they They made a lot of decisions a 2084 01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,679 Speaker 1: long way and they stayed inside the lines. They didn't 2085 01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,840 Speaker 1: go out. And the only guy they really well and 2086 01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,320 Speaker 1: reached for, and I don't we'll see when he plays, 2087 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,760 Speaker 1: is Mitch Morris. Because now they've got the highest paid 2088 01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:56,840 Speaker 1: center in the National Football League on their roster. That's 2089 01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,400 Speaker 1: the one place where they've spent some cash. It was 2090 01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,400 Speaker 1: at an enormous position of need. But this guy had 2091 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,000 Speaker 1: a track record. They knew what they were getting. It 2092 01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,080 Speaker 1: wasn't the role of the dice. He's a good player 2093 01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:09,439 Speaker 1: and they were willing to go that distance for that 2094 01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:12,519 Speaker 1: kind of player in that situation. I get that he's 2095 01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:14,920 Speaker 1: twenty six, they've got him for long term, he's going 2096 01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,000 Speaker 1: to be in his prime. It's the perfect place to 2097 01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:20,080 Speaker 1: overspend at a position of need at a player that's 2098 01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:23,280 Speaker 1: really worth it and at that right age. So that 2099 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,200 Speaker 1: was the one place where they spent a lot of 2100 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,240 Speaker 1: money on one guy. The rest of them were riding 2101 01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:31,519 Speaker 1: their wheelhouse. Cole Beasley, John Brown, mid range signings, the 2102 01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,719 Speaker 1: same thing they've got. They've got Kevin Johnson into the fold, 2103 01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,320 Speaker 1: a former first round pick and cornerback who's got a 2104 01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:40,519 Speaker 1: lot of measurables but couldn't stay healthy. And when I 2105 01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:44,040 Speaker 1: was told I was told by an assistant coach for 2106 01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:48,160 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans told me that if Kevin Johnson is healthy, 2107 01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,080 Speaker 1: he will win that starting cornerback john He said he's 2108 01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,120 Speaker 1: that good. Now, once again, it goes back to not 2109 01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,040 Speaker 1: being in the hot tub and to make the club. 2110 01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,320 Speaker 1: But I mean, if he's healthy, I've been told that 2111 01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:04,719 Speaker 1: this guy is elite cover corner like. And think about 2112 01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:06,720 Speaker 1: it too, the confidence that the Buffalo Bills have now 2113 01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,960 Speaker 1: and with this thing we just spoke about before the break, 2114 01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,920 Speaker 1: their ability to their philosophy and their program of keeping 2115 01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,960 Speaker 1: guys healthy and not losing him to injury and keeping 2116 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,840 Speaker 1: him on the practice field and the game end game 2117 01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:20,360 Speaker 1: day healthy. That plays into the weakness of Kevin. You know, 2118 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,600 Speaker 1: maybe he'll benefit from a program or the one the 2119 01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:25,200 Speaker 1: Bills like. The one the Bills having stilled where you 2120 01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:26,840 Speaker 1: don't have to look over if you got a little tweak, 2121 01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,240 Speaker 1: you don't have to look over your shoulder, see if 2122 01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:32,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna get benched because you got ice on your rankle, 2123 01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:33,760 Speaker 1: or you're gonna be looked at like I don't know 2124 01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,600 Speaker 1: if he's I think he's soft. So let's go with 2125 01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,680 Speaker 1: this other guy. Even though the guy's playing well, he's 2126 01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,599 Speaker 1: kind of you know that kind of you don't get 2127 01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:44,960 Speaker 1: ridiculed for going in and getting treatment. So maybe that's 2128 01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,360 Speaker 1: the kind of place where Kevin Johnson can stay healthy. 2129 01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,680 Speaker 1: Maybe he felt that, you know, I'm, I'm it's his 2130 01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:53,519 Speaker 1: all conjecture now, but you see the philosophy and how 2131 01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,679 Speaker 1: it could work back to your team, like the Bills, 2132 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,439 Speaker 1: back to your Mitch Morris point. I think last year 2133 01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:04,559 Speaker 1: they realized how much Eric would meant to that offensive line, 2134 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,640 Speaker 1: and I think they went, you know what, we we 2135 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,880 Speaker 1: got to get a center in here that can that 2136 01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,479 Speaker 1: can make the calls up front. Well, it's interesting we 2137 01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,080 Speaker 1: got Robert May's from the Ringer has written a couple 2138 01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,760 Speaker 1: of articles about why about offensive line. In fact, he 2139 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,680 Speaker 1: had an article about what the perfect offensive line might 2140 01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,240 Speaker 1: look look like. Robert May's from the Ringer joins us 2141 01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,400 Speaker 1: right now, Robert, Steve Tasker, Josh Reid up here in Buffalo. 2142 01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:27,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. How are you today? Happy to 2143 01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,200 Speaker 1: do it? I'm doing well awesome. Talk to us a 2144 01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:33,320 Speaker 1: little bit. What did your perfect offensive line look like? 2145 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,560 Speaker 1: You wrote that article and I thought it was really fascinating. 2146 01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,479 Speaker 1: It was that we did a podcast about it this week, 2147 01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:42,439 Speaker 1: and it was kind of about how you would divert 2148 01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:45,920 Speaker 1: your resources, you know, how you would kind of scatter 2149 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,559 Speaker 1: them around within the line. Do you want one really 2150 01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,160 Speaker 1: expensive piece and a couple others that aren't. You look 2151 01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:53,920 Speaker 1: at lines like Washington, for example. You know they have 2152 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,840 Speaker 1: two expensive tackles and you have a pretty expensive guar 2153 01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,559 Speaker 1: because you was drafted so high, and now you have 2154 01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,400 Speaker 1: Eric Flower starting at your others, which is not ideal. 2155 01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,080 Speaker 1: So we actually use the build as an example because 2156 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,280 Speaker 1: they really could build their offensive line essentially from scratch 2157 01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:09,479 Speaker 1: after last season. You know, Gian Dawkins is coming back, 2158 01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,360 Speaker 1: but that's really it. No one else was entrenched as 2159 01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,240 Speaker 1: a starter, so you can kind of say with them, 2160 01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:17,160 Speaker 1: it's not even a thought exercise. It was an actual 2161 01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,479 Speaker 1: practical thing they had to do. And I like what 2162 01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:21,320 Speaker 1: they did. You know, you go out and you spend 2163 01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,120 Speaker 1: a lot of money on Mitch Force, which is fine. 2164 01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:24,919 Speaker 1: You know, it's okay to have one or two expensive, 2165 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,320 Speaker 1: high level pieces, and I think the center is something 2166 01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,599 Speaker 1: to spend on. I think it's very underrated in terms 2167 01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,639 Speaker 1: of it tying your entire line together. But after that 2168 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,759 Speaker 1: they went out and they did it with marginalized aspens. 2169 01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,360 Speaker 1: Spend the second round tak on Cody Flour, but that 2170 01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:41,479 Speaker 1: doesn't cost you much. Hands to the cap Tyler. Tyna 2171 01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,280 Speaker 1: Seki was not somebody that was going to get premium money, 2172 01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,400 Speaker 1: but is a very competent starter, probably at right tackle. 2173 01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,880 Speaker 1: And then for the interior positions, you roll a lot 2174 01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:51,800 Speaker 1: of dice and you try to get guys that are 2175 01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:53,680 Speaker 1: cheap but have been solid. You know, Quentin Spain, I 2176 01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,960 Speaker 1: thought was a really good signing. So I use them 2177 01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:58,320 Speaker 1: as an example of what I would probably try to do. 2178 01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,280 Speaker 1: I would try to use a combination of semi high 2179 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,680 Speaker 1: level draft picks. They don't be first rounders, but in 2180 01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:07,400 Speaker 1: the first two or three rounds, some underappreciated free agents 2181 01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:09,320 Speaker 1: that aren't going to break the bank, and maybe one 2182 01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,680 Speaker 1: or two highly priced guys. So I enjoy what they did, 2183 01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:14,680 Speaker 1: and I like when other teams boild like that. Well, 2184 01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,439 Speaker 1: it brings us to the thing of why they did that. Certainly, 2185 01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:20,120 Speaker 1: they struggle on the offensive line last year, but also 2186 01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,320 Speaker 1: they've got a shiny new young quarterback that they're trying 2187 01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,720 Speaker 1: to help, and they threw not only a bunch of 2188 01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,439 Speaker 1: offensive linemen into the into the mix, but also wide 2189 01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,680 Speaker 1: receivers and tight ends. Do you think the Bills have 2190 01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:35,439 Speaker 1: done enough and have gotten the right pieces? I'm not 2191 01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,599 Speaker 1: sure I will see. I think that again, they didn't 2192 01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,920 Speaker 1: break the bank for those skill position players. They didn't 2193 01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,400 Speaker 1: go out and pick somebody in the top ten, you know, 2194 01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:45,400 Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, which is fine. I think in 2195 01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,240 Speaker 1: this draft you can absolutely argue that that shouldn't have 2196 01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,800 Speaker 1: done that. But it's still guys that aren't necessarily superstars, 2197 01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,840 Speaker 1: guys that have been productive in certain stints. But is 2198 01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,280 Speaker 1: Colby isn't necessarily gonna be more productive in Buffalo than 2199 01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,519 Speaker 1: he was in Dallas. I don't know. I'm not sure 2200 01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,680 Speaker 1: if you can say that. John Brown is somebody who 2201 01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:04,880 Speaker 1: does one thing pretty well. So I like the pieces 2202 01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:06,840 Speaker 1: that they have, but I don't think it's a top 2203 01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:09,760 Speaker 1: flight still position group by any means what they'll do 2204 01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:11,720 Speaker 1: with it. I'm interested to see you get a lot 2205 01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,360 Speaker 1: of running backs in there, but I think they could 2206 01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:17,479 Speaker 1: definitely add some pieces on that side, maybe next offseason 2207 01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:20,160 Speaker 1: when they kind of understand exactly what Josh Allen is. Yeah. 2208 01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:23,400 Speaker 1: And one of the things too, is that even if 2209 01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:27,280 Speaker 1: the additions that they made only slightly raised level, the 2210 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:31,880 Speaker 1: bar was really low a year ago, and change just 2211 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,320 Speaker 1: for the sake of making change is probably an improvement 2212 01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,080 Speaker 1: here in Buffalo, given the fact that they were so 2213 01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:40,599 Speaker 1: unproductive upfront last year. I totally agree. I think upfront 2214 01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,920 Speaker 1: that it's going to make a world of difference because 2215 01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,680 Speaker 1: what they did, and what I really like is that 2216 01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,519 Speaker 1: they made sure they didn't have any defined weaknesses. Now 2217 01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:51,160 Speaker 1: you look at the bottle of players that they have 2218 01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,519 Speaker 1: in the competition they're going to have in camp, and 2219 01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,600 Speaker 1: I assume that when they come out of it, you know, 2220 01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,080 Speaker 1: if I had to put my money on it, I 2221 01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,840 Speaker 1: would probably say it's it's some combination of Dawkins, Spain Morse, 2222 01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:03,439 Speaker 1: Cody Ford at guard and the Secky at right tackle. 2223 01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:05,680 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, you're probably gonna look at 2224 01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,240 Speaker 1: and say, those are five decent starters most likely, and 2225 01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:12,759 Speaker 1: that's more important to me than having three great starters 2226 01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,040 Speaker 1: and two bad ones. I think offensive line play is 2227 01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,960 Speaker 1: all about playing as a unit, and it's all about 2228 01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,320 Speaker 1: not having one weeklink that a team can attack over 2229 01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,439 Speaker 1: and over again. And I think with the way they 2230 01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,040 Speaker 1: spread their resources out, there's a good chance that can 2231 01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,280 Speaker 1: be their reality. At some point. You bring up a 2232 01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:30,160 Speaker 1: good point Tie and Secky at right tackle, because we've 2233 01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,880 Speaker 1: seen Cody Ford and Secky has been banged up a 2234 01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:34,559 Speaker 1: little bit in mini camps, so we've seen a lot 2235 01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:39,320 Speaker 1: of Cody Ford at right tackle. Do you and your 2236 01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:43,240 Speaker 1: belief do you think Cody Ford can naturally just slide 2237 01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:47,040 Speaker 1: inside to guard and that and Secki out there at 2238 01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:50,200 Speaker 1: right tackle gives them the best option on the right side. 2239 01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,360 Speaker 1: I think it gives you your best five players, That's 2240 01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:55,559 Speaker 1: what I would say, And I think if that's your goal, 2241 01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:58,360 Speaker 1: that's what you should do. Maybe that's not their goal. 2242 01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,720 Speaker 1: Maybe they've seen the Secky as a swing guy and 2243 01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,920 Speaker 1: they feel like somebody like Long or Fluiciano can step 2244 01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,000 Speaker 1: in the inside. If that's the case, then you know, 2245 01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:08,760 Speaker 1: go with that, and maybe you care more about the 2246 01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,920 Speaker 1: development of Kody Ford and don't want to jerk him 2247 01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,800 Speaker 1: around between positions. That's hard for a young player. But 2248 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,040 Speaker 1: I think in twenty nineteen, if you want to get 2249 01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,639 Speaker 1: your best five starters on the field, it just seems 2250 01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:20,599 Speaker 1: like that would be the group with the most overall 2251 01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,120 Speaker 1: count you've got. Also, I want to ask you there 2252 01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:27,000 Speaker 1: are other teams, particularly in the AFC East, that also 2253 01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:29,559 Speaker 1: had young quarterbacks Sam Darnell and Josh Rosen who went 2254 01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,960 Speaker 1: to Miami. They're trying to put pieces around their guys. 2255 01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:35,920 Speaker 1: What about the Jets and how their offseason is gone. 2256 01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,759 Speaker 1: Where do they stand right now around their young quarterbacks? 2257 01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:43,559 Speaker 1: Sam looks like I think that if they did something 2258 01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,639 Speaker 1: kind of against what we're saying. You know, they spend 2259 01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,240 Speaker 1: a decent amount of money on Colletcho Smais contract after 2260 01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:50,680 Speaker 1: trading for him. He's not a cheap player, and they 2261 01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:52,559 Speaker 1: still have a couple holes on that offensive line. They 2262 01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,120 Speaker 1: decided to go get some shiny skill position guys and 2263 01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,920 Speaker 1: pay CJ mostly seventeen million dollars a year rather than 2264 01:50:57,960 --> 01:50:59,599 Speaker 1: going to get a cent and I think that's going 2265 01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,559 Speaker 1: to come back to get them. I still feel like 2266 01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,400 Speaker 1: that offense is going to be okay. You know, with 2267 01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,040 Speaker 1: Crowder and Bell, even if you're paying a premium for 2268 01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:08,599 Speaker 1: both of those guys and their value isn't necessarily their 2269 01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:11,759 Speaker 1: contract wise, I still think they make your young quarterback 2270 01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:15,040 Speaker 1: better just because they're really safe options. My problem is 2271 01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:17,800 Speaker 1: I think that Quinsy and nudwa and Jamison Crowder do 2272 01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:20,439 Speaker 1: similar things. Well. I think a Nudewa is naturally a 2273 01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:22,599 Speaker 1: slot receiver, and to bring in someone else to play 2274 01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:25,160 Speaker 1: that spot, I don't think that's the best distribution and 2275 01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,920 Speaker 1: best kind of diversification of your wide receiving corps. But 2276 01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:29,680 Speaker 1: I do think that they're better this year than they 2277 01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:31,439 Speaker 1: were last year, even if they didn't spend the money 2278 01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:33,640 Speaker 1: in the wisest ways. I think that Darnold is going 2279 01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:35,640 Speaker 1: to be good, and I think that's the end all, 2280 01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:38,040 Speaker 1: be yall, and that's really always been it matters. I'm 2281 01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,240 Speaker 1: with you. I think Darnald is going to be great. 2282 01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:45,160 Speaker 1: In fact, I really liked that this past quarterback class. 2283 01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:50,160 Speaker 1: But you mentioned it that offensive line for the Jets. 2284 01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean at some point, I mean Donald, he's only 2285 01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:56,040 Speaker 1: going to be as good, you know, as he can 2286 01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:57,880 Speaker 1: be if he's not laying on his back. I mean 2287 01:51:57,880 --> 01:51:59,840 Speaker 1: that that kid's gonna be. We've seen it down with 2288 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,599 Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson, and by no means as Darnald the athlete, 2289 01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:06,800 Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson is, but you'd think that they would 2290 01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:10,800 Speaker 1: have wanted to protect their asset there. That's not how 2291 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,439 Speaker 1: they spent their money, and I can understand that. I mean, 2292 01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:15,880 Speaker 1: some teams are probably looking at the free agent tackle 2293 01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,120 Speaker 1: market and they're just saying, we don't want to pay 2294 01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:20,360 Speaker 1: thirteen and a half million dollars in you're for Juan 2295 01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:22,519 Speaker 1: James because he's not that kind of player. When you 2296 01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:24,519 Speaker 1: look at the top of the market at that position, 2297 01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,759 Speaker 1: you see a lot of bad contracts. The Nate Soldier 2298 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,280 Speaker 1: deal comes to mind. Andrew Norwell got a massive deal 2299 01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,799 Speaker 1: even though I think he's a good player, and somebody 2300 01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:35,599 Speaker 1: like Juwan James was that version this year. So some 2301 01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,400 Speaker 1: teams are looking at that and they're balking at it. 2302 01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:40,120 Speaker 1: But that's why I like what the Bills did. I mean, 2303 01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,559 Speaker 1: the Bills absolutely tied to Seki would be the best 2304 01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,840 Speaker 1: right tackle on the Jets today, no questions asked, and 2305 01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,599 Speaker 1: the Bills aren't paying him at premium. So I just 2306 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,360 Speaker 1: think that the Jets are in such a weird spot. 2307 01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,639 Speaker 1: I mean the idea that you're gonna let your GM 2308 01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,040 Speaker 1: spend one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed in free 2309 01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:58,160 Speaker 1: ah team, then fire him a few weeks later and 2310 01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:00,679 Speaker 1: let him shape the roster when he wasn't to be around, 2311 01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:04,160 Speaker 1: and let him go chase these shining pieces instead of 2312 01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:06,519 Speaker 1: really trying to build a team. I just I think 2313 01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:09,120 Speaker 1: that they're doing a lot of things wrong and they're misstepping. 2314 01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:11,960 Speaker 1: They don't have a cogent plan. And that's the only 2315 01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,800 Speaker 1: time I really criticized teams. You know, the Bills, maybe 2316 01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,720 Speaker 1: they're not going to be great, but the plan is 2317 01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:18,719 Speaker 1: in place. They're being patient, they know what they want 2318 01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,400 Speaker 1: to be and the Jets just don't seem to And 2319 01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:24,160 Speaker 1: I think that that really they get they're gonna have 2320 01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:26,840 Speaker 1: a chance to kind of throw away another cheap year 2321 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,400 Speaker 1: of Sam Darld, and I think that's a shame. We're 2322 01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:31,479 Speaker 1: talking to Robert May, staff writer for The Ringer. He's 2323 01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,920 Speaker 1: the host of The Ringer NFL Show podcast. He's a 2324 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,040 Speaker 1: former writer for The Grantline as well. And I want 2325 01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,719 Speaker 1: to ask you also some of the things that happened 2326 01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:39,600 Speaker 1: in the offseasons. You get a chance to see the 2327 01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:42,439 Speaker 1: big picture around the National Football League. And for years 2328 01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:46,080 Speaker 1: there were all these this trends that you know, running 2329 01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:49,439 Speaker 1: backs were being de emphasized on offense, and linebackers and 2330 01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:52,040 Speaker 1: middle linebackers in particular had kind of taken a step 2331 01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:55,200 Speaker 1: back in their importance. But now you think that because 2332 01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:59,960 Speaker 1: of perhaps a guy like Bobby Wagner in Seattle, middle 2333 01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:02,840 Speaker 1: linebackers are becoming much more prominent because of the way 2334 01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:07,000 Speaker 1: offenses are attacking defenses. Is that right? I think so yeah, 2335 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:09,760 Speaker 1: And I think Bobby Wagner's an interesting case because I 2336 01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,040 Speaker 1: think he influences a game in a lot of ways. 2337 01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:14,920 Speaker 1: Now when you think about middle linebackers and the way 2338 01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:18,920 Speaker 1: we traditionally think about them, they're run defenders, they're downhill players, 2339 01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:22,000 Speaker 1: They're these bigger, kind of hulking guys. But now there 2340 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,559 Speaker 1: really aren't any more traditional middle linebackers. I mean, you're 2341 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,640 Speaker 1: playing nickel on maybe three quarters of your possessions, so 2342 01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,160 Speaker 1: you have two inside linebackers that have to cover a 2343 01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:32,400 Speaker 1: lot more ground. Both of those guys have to play 2344 01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:35,440 Speaker 1: the seam a decent amount, so you're covering all this ground. 2345 01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,120 Speaker 1: You're being a past defender much more often than you're 2346 01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:41,000 Speaker 1: being a run defender. And I Bobby Wagner's case, he's 2347 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,760 Speaker 1: an excellent blitzer. I mean you're looking at at least 2348 01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,240 Speaker 1: one or two pressures a game from him in a 2349 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:49,080 Speaker 1: variety of different ways. So if you can affect. And 2350 01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,600 Speaker 1: the last thing, just think about the structural element of football. 2351 01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:55,680 Speaker 1: Right now, we have teams like the bill like the Patriots, 2352 01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:58,200 Speaker 1: like the Chiefs, the best made offensive in the NFL. 2353 01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:01,480 Speaker 1: These are teams that are throwing about forty five percent 2354 01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,720 Speaker 1: of their passes in between the numbers, and for the 2355 01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,800 Speaker 1: Patriots it's about thirty five percent in the number between 2356 01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,760 Speaker 1: the numbers and ten yards are closer to the line 2357 01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:11,760 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. That's where Bobby Wagner plays. It's literally where 2358 01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:14,480 Speaker 1: he lines up. So if these teams are attacking the 2359 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:17,680 Speaker 1: middle of the field more, wouldn't the player that roams 2360 01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,280 Speaker 1: the middle of the field become more valuable. I just 2361 01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:21,960 Speaker 1: think that that's the way the league is going. When 2362 01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:24,800 Speaker 1: you have a player like Bobby Wagner who's trying to 2363 01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:27,760 Speaker 1: figure out what he's worth. I wouldn't just look at 2364 01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:29,920 Speaker 1: what C. J. Mosley got, I would look at what 2365 01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:32,800 Speaker 1: the best defensive players in the league get. If the 2366 01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:35,920 Speaker 1: Seahawks just traded Frank Clark to Kansas City to say, 2367 01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,560 Speaker 1: we don't want to pay Frank Clark twenty million dollars. 2368 01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:42,120 Speaker 1: So they have valued Bobby Wagner over Frank Clark. And 2369 01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,440 Speaker 1: so if Frank Clark is twenty point eight million dollars 2370 01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:48,560 Speaker 1: a year, why isn't Bobby Wagner independent of position? So 2371 01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't take a genius to realize that. What from 2372 01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,520 Speaker 1: what you're saying, I already go, Hey, the Bills that 2373 01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:57,560 Speaker 1: are sitting in a perfect spot, because what I want 2374 01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:00,720 Speaker 1: is a six foot five inch middle line. If a 2375 01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,880 Speaker 1: quarterback's trying to throw over the middle in between the 2376 01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:07,120 Speaker 1: numbers and with a big wingspan, and he's twenty one 2377 01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:11,480 Speaker 1: years old, and with Tremaine Edmonds, I mean the Bills 2378 01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:16,440 Speaker 1: are sitting pretty for several years, maybe a decade. I like, what, Yeah, 2379 01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:17,760 Speaker 1: the way he developed last year, and I think that 2380 01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:19,880 Speaker 1: if he can keep getting better. I mean, you look 2381 01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:22,480 Speaker 1: at what Layton vander Esch did instantly for that Dallas 2382 01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:24,920 Speaker 1: defense last season, Who's a very similar player when you 2383 01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,720 Speaker 1: look at build, athleticism, everything else. And I think a 2384 01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:30,600 Speaker 1: player like that can be transformative for a team with 2385 01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:32,600 Speaker 1: the way the game is played right now in a 2386 01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:36,880 Speaker 1: way it couldn't have let's say, fifteen twenty years ago, 2387 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,480 Speaker 1: because I feel like with the advent of the Tampa two, 2388 01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,800 Speaker 1: and you looked at the way that those middle linebackers 2389 01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:43,600 Speaker 1: had to be getting a little bit more depth. I 2390 01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,280 Speaker 1: think guys like Brian Urlocker could affect the game that way. 2391 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,240 Speaker 1: But after there was a weird kind of blip there 2392 01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:51,200 Speaker 1: where teams didn't think that they were valuable. And I 2393 01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:53,680 Speaker 1: just think it. You look around the league at the 2394 01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:56,360 Speaker 1: defenses that rely on those guys so heavily, and I 2395 01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,680 Speaker 1: don't understand how that guy is less valuable than You're 2396 01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,360 Speaker 1: high has paid edge rusher. Not the way, not with 2397 01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,840 Speaker 1: the way the game is played right now. We're talking. 2398 01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,680 Speaker 1: We're talking with Robert Mazer, the ringer. We also the 2399 01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:10,400 Speaker 1: one thing I also want to ask you on one 2400 01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:12,880 Speaker 1: last thing for me, it's about NFL gms and how 2401 01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:15,800 Speaker 1: that job is changing. What kind of what is the 2402 01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,800 Speaker 1: perfect relationship that a GM has with the head coach. 2403 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,720 Speaker 1: You see that it's always some sort of tension between 2404 01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,440 Speaker 1: those two that gets these guys fired. It was Adam 2405 01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:29,640 Speaker 1: Gase and mcagnet in New York even down in Houston. 2406 01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,800 Speaker 1: Now they're changing, They've changed their general manager and looking 2407 01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:36,560 Speaker 1: for a new one. How's that? What's the perfect relationship 2408 01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,240 Speaker 1: looked like for a GM and a coach to be 2409 01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:41,760 Speaker 1: in the perfect in the you know, perfect symbionic relationship. 2410 01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:44,160 Speaker 1: I guess to put it no other way. I think 2411 01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:47,720 Speaker 1: when you have to go into that relationship understanding which 2412 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of players are coaching staff walks. I think the 2413 01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:53,640 Speaker 1: smartest staffs in Atlanta when dan Quinn got there, they 2414 01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,520 Speaker 1: gave an entire presentation to the personnel department about the 2415 01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,960 Speaker 1: types of players that fit that scheme. So I think 2416 01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:02,120 Speaker 1: knowledge and openness right away is the most important thing. 2417 01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:04,760 Speaker 1: So you want to have a collaborative relationship with your 2418 01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:08,839 Speaker 1: coaching staff. But I also feel like the personnel side 2419 01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:11,400 Speaker 1: has to save the coaches from themselves every once in 2420 01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:14,120 Speaker 1: a while because the coaches are coming into this process. 2421 01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:15,880 Speaker 1: And when you think about the draft and even free 2422 01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:19,920 Speaker 1: agency extremely late, you know your personnel department is looking 2423 01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,839 Speaker 1: at players starting two seasons ago. In terms of free agency, 2424 01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:27,080 Speaker 1: you're already building a free agency draft or well, the 2425 01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:30,000 Speaker 1: season is still going on. Coaches kind of come out 2426 01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:32,560 Speaker 1: with their heads come out of the sand on February 2427 01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:34,880 Speaker 1: first or so, and that's when they get in here. 2428 01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:37,520 Speaker 1: Free agency is a month away, the drafts a month 2429 01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,200 Speaker 1: and a half away. It's too soon for them to 2430 01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,160 Speaker 1: have the same knowledge and just overall picture of the 2431 01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:46,360 Speaker 1: entire landscape that the personnel side does. So I think 2432 01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:50,160 Speaker 1: that you need openness and communication, but you also need 2433 01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:52,880 Speaker 1: honesty when it comes to saying we're not going to 2434 01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:54,640 Speaker 1: do that, We're not going to take this guy in 2435 01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:56,840 Speaker 1: the third round. I think if you look at what 2436 01:58:57,160 --> 01:58:59,760 Speaker 1: is happening in San Francisco, for example, I think Kyle 2437 01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,040 Speaker 1: shann is the best offensive football coach in the world. 2438 01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:04,680 Speaker 1: I think his offense is the best design. I love 2439 01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,760 Speaker 1: what he does. But you see the way they've spent 2440 01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,600 Speaker 1: on offensive players in the last couple of years, and 2441 01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:14,520 Speaker 1: they need defensive players. I'm sure that Kyle Shanahan watches 2442 01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:17,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurd and thanks got all of the things I 2443 01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:20,520 Speaker 1: can do with him, and his mind probably starts spinning. 2444 01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,240 Speaker 1: But spending a pick on Jalen Hurd in the third 2445 01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:26,200 Speaker 1: round when you already have a stacked running back corps 2446 01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:29,040 Speaker 1: and a very crowded wide receiving corps, this doesn't make 2447 01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:31,040 Speaker 1: sense to me. When you have so many holes elsewhere, 2448 01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:33,360 Speaker 1: so I think that's the problem. And even if that 2449 01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:36,640 Speaker 1: person the coaching staff is in power to say these 2450 01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:39,000 Speaker 1: are the types of players we want, occasionally the person 2451 01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:41,480 Speaker 1: outside has to push back and say that's not okay, 2452 01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:44,920 Speaker 1: like this is not a good way to exercise value. Robert, 2453 01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,520 Speaker 1: thanks for this. We really appreciate it, and we hope 2454 01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:49,720 Speaker 1: to have you on again on the show again very soon. 2455 01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,560 Speaker 1: Thanks anytime, guys, I appreciate it. He's Robert May, staff 2456 01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:54,800 Speaker 1: writer for The Ringer. He also hosts The Ringer NFL 2457 01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:58,920 Speaker 1: Show podcast and former Grantland writer as well. Steve Tasker 2458 01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:01,160 Speaker 1: along with Josh Reid from One Bill's Drive, we are 2459 02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:04,000 Speaker 1: coming to you for the last time this week and 2460 02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,040 Speaker 1: before we take a little break for the summer. We 2461 02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:08,000 Speaker 1: appreciate it's going to be nice to take a nice 2462 02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:11,280 Speaker 1: deep breath, enjoy the weather. Finally take a deep breath, 2463 02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:13,200 Speaker 1: and then we'll take a break. This is One Bills 2464 02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive and Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome 2465 02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:30,880 Speaker 1: back to One Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health, 2466 02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Steep task along with Josh Reid. We're here on a Friday, 2467 02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:36,240 Speaker 1: just finishing up before we head out to the weekend 2468 02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:40,080 Speaker 1: and we had Mike Tanier on from the Bleacher Report. 2469 02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:42,920 Speaker 1: We also had Robert Mason from The Ringer and I've 2470 02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,640 Speaker 1: been talking about the Buffalo Bills and your one burning 2471 02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:50,160 Speaker 1: question headed into Buffalo Bills training camp. Got some summer response, 2472 02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:52,280 Speaker 1: but it's on beautiful day on a Friday week You 2473 02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:56,200 Speaker 1: and I both anticipated not very many, not many people 2474 02:00:56,240 --> 02:00:59,000 Speaker 1: with chiming. We did get some, particularly on the tweet sheet. 2475 02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:02,560 Speaker 1: The tweet sheet uh brought to you by Corrigan Movers, 2476 02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:04,840 Speaker 1: the official movers of the Buffalo Bills. Let's do one. 2477 02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:08,400 Speaker 1: Let do one or two more last ones the Bills. 2478 02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:11,120 Speaker 1: The Burning Bills question ahead of training camp from James. 2479 02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:14,480 Speaker 1: He says, my question, will Duke Williams game carry into 2480 02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:16,800 Speaker 1: the NFL level. If it does, we're gonna watch an 2481 02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:20,320 Speaker 1: awesome receiver battles training camp in preseason. With the upgrades 2482 02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:22,240 Speaker 1: on the offensive line protecting Ali, He's going to be 2483 02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:23,960 Speaker 1: able to throw it, go through his reads better and 2484 02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:27,920 Speaker 1: hit guys. That from James. Also, last one will do today? 2485 02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:31,440 Speaker 1: From Matthew The Burning Bills question ahead of training camp. 2486 02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Our entire offense has changed through free agency and the draft, 2487 02:01:35,160 --> 02:01:38,480 Speaker 1: adding ed Oliver to an already prominent defense to help 2488 02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,840 Speaker 1: stop the run. Can the Bills put everything together and 2489 02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:45,520 Speaker 1: top the AFC East and make a playoff run. I 2490 02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:49,040 Speaker 1: want to see the Bills play well into January. That's 2491 02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:54,600 Speaker 1: that's always the birth question, right, Yeah, that's that's why 2492 02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:58,040 Speaker 1: they're playing. Yeah, And and I think it's it's gonna 2493 02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:00,760 Speaker 1: be a fun season. I've said from the get go 2494 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:05,760 Speaker 1: this this offseason has progressed at times better than I 2495 02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:10,800 Speaker 1: had anticipated. At every turn and every major crossroads with 2496 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:14,000 Speaker 1: a draft, free agency, the combine all this stuff, the 2497 02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl all the way back, the Bills have done 2498 02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:19,560 Speaker 1: things and made moves that I've been like, yeah, wow, 2499 02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I get that. You know, they've really stayed to their 2500 02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:27,080 Speaker 1: plan and found opportunities throughout this offseason that I think 2501 02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:30,640 Speaker 1: you can't help but think made them significantly better. They 2502 02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:33,720 Speaker 1: had to training camp for the first time in a 2503 02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,520 Speaker 1: while that you know exactly who the starting quarterback is. 2504 02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's still the end of the day. 2505 02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:41,160 Speaker 1: You got to have a quarterback in order to win 2506 02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:44,680 Speaker 1: big time. And they go to camp knowing that Josh 2507 02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Allen is the guy and that Matt Barkley is merely 2508 02:02:49,240 --> 02:02:53,400 Speaker 1: his backup. And that's it, and that to me and 2509 02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:56,840 Speaker 1: I and not only just that the quarterback position, but 2510 02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:01,240 Speaker 1: the fact that on defense you're really good defense. You 2511 02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:05,320 Speaker 1: got everybody back except for Kyle plus some guys. I mean, 2512 02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:10,160 Speaker 1: that's the cornerback room is is big. Um Kyle not 2513 02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:12,480 Speaker 1: being but Ed Oliver being the top draft pick, and 2514 02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:15,080 Speaker 1: everybody's saying, Wow, you got the perfect guy. Not just 2515 02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:18,960 Speaker 1: Buffalo people. That's like everybody around the country said, you 2516 02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:22,120 Speaker 1: got the right guy. I mean, that's it's huge. So's 2517 02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:24,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons to be excited about it. 2518 02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:27,640 Speaker 1: They came off a really solid defensive year last year 2519 02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:29,520 Speaker 1: and they look to be even better this year. So 2520 02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:32,480 Speaker 1: all right, well, here we go. We have this thing 2521 02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:35,240 Speaker 1: we do Josh on the show every day. At this time, 2522 02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:38,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be NFL true false. You're ready to go, 2523 02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:39,880 Speaker 1: let's do it. All right, Here we go it and 2524 02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:44,120 Speaker 1: NFL true false, brought to you by Yancey's fancy New 2525 02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:49,160 Speaker 1: York artisan cheese. NFL true false. Number one, The Saints 2526 02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:50,760 Speaker 1: are going to drop out of the playoff field in 2527 02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:56,280 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. True false false. Explain yourself, that's how good? Yeah, 2528 02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:58,800 Speaker 1: I got you. I got yeah, okay, so I just 2529 02:03:59,240 --> 02:04:01,640 Speaker 1: had to back it up. Yes, well I didn't. I 2530 02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:03,760 Speaker 1: didn't come to the I didn't come to the party 2531 02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:07,920 Speaker 1: with that, all right. So, I mean the Saints finished 2532 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:09,840 Speaker 1: thirteen and three last year. I mean they didn't just 2533 02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:12,920 Speaker 1: sneak into the playoffs. They just ripped that division apart. 2534 02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:18,240 Speaker 1: Everybody else in the division finished under five hundred, including 2535 02:04:18,280 --> 02:04:21,080 Speaker 1: the Falcons seven and nine, Carolina seven and nine. I 2536 02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:23,080 Speaker 1: think the Buccaneers will be better. They won five games 2537 02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:24,960 Speaker 1: last year. I think the Buccaneers will be better. I 2538 02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:28,360 Speaker 1: think Bruce Arians makes them a better because I just 2539 02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:30,280 Speaker 1: I really like Bruce Arians. I think he's a good 2540 02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:33,160 Speaker 1: coach and I think he'll he'll get that program back 2541 02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:35,840 Speaker 1: on track. But at the end of the day, you 2542 02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:40,080 Speaker 1: and I know that Drew Brees didn't throw for you know, 2543 02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:45,320 Speaker 1: five thousand yards last year. But Alvin Kamara is a monster, 2544 02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:49,600 Speaker 1: that guy. He is so good out of the backfield 2545 02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:53,520 Speaker 1: of catching passes and running. And I don't know, until 2546 02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:55,760 Speaker 1: you beat the man, you gotta beat the man. You 2547 02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:58,120 Speaker 1: gotta beat the man. And I don't think I think 2548 02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:00,600 Speaker 1: still think that Drew Brees is the man that division. 2549 02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:02,680 Speaker 1: So I think they're they're in the playoffs. I agree. 2550 02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:04,560 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be in the playoffs as well. 2551 02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:07,960 Speaker 1: If you go down the list of playoff teams that 2552 02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:10,760 Speaker 1: may drop out, I think it's probably more likely the Bears, 2553 02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:13,800 Speaker 1: I could see that than than it is anybody else. 2554 02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:17,440 Speaker 1: This too. They outscored everybody they had a hunt almost 2555 02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:21,680 Speaker 1: one hundred more points than the Falcons last year. That's 2556 02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:25,000 Speaker 1: not They're not a fluke. No, Sean Payton and Drew 2557 02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,160 Speaker 1: Brees have done it a few times, so they have. 2558 02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,600 Speaker 1: They gotta show me that they're not a playoff team 2559 02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:31,920 Speaker 1: before I'll believe it. I agree, and I'm gonna say 2560 02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say false as well. I think they are 2561 02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:36,560 Speaker 1: going to be back in the playoffs. I think they've 2562 02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:38,680 Speaker 1: got And I'm one of the guys who has been 2563 02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:41,080 Speaker 1: on a team with had a giant chip on its shoulder. 2564 02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:44,080 Speaker 1: I know what that does to your season next year, 2565 02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:46,360 Speaker 1: I know what it does to your offseason. You've got 2566 02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:49,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of New Orleans Saints guys walking around this 2567 02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:53,680 Speaker 1: offseason thinking back to the most egregious non call in 2568 02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:56,480 Speaker 1: the history of the game, saying that's the only thing 2569 02:05:56,520 --> 02:05:59,080 Speaker 1: that kept us out of the Super Bowl. We're gonna 2570 02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:01,120 Speaker 1: go back and we're gonna make it right this year. 2571 02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:06,400 Speaker 1: So I think that, more than anything, is gonna motivate them. 2572 02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:08,000 Speaker 1: Now you can say the same thing because the team 2573 02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:10,720 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna drop out as Chicago Bears. I 2574 02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:14,360 Speaker 1: think they're gonna they're gonna take a step back. Their 2575 02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:18,560 Speaker 1: quarterback is not Drew Brees, it's Mitch Drubisky. His statistics 2576 02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:21,720 Speaker 1: were middle of the road for starting quarterbacks who started 2577 02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:25,000 Speaker 1: as many games as he did. He didn't do enough 2578 02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:27,040 Speaker 1: as a franchise quarterback to say, you know what, I'm 2579 02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:29,160 Speaker 1: gonna put this offense on my back and carry us through. 2580 02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:31,320 Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of things going on 2581 02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:34,000 Speaker 1: in Chicago that gives me the idea that whole city 2582 02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:36,440 Speaker 1: and maybe not the franchise, maybe not inside the building, 2583 02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:39,800 Speaker 1: but from out here, from a million miles away. I'll admit, 2584 02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:42,960 Speaker 1: it looks to me like they're saying, we're good enough. 2585 02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:44,880 Speaker 1: If we hit that field goal, we're in and we're 2586 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:46,400 Speaker 1: gonna go to the super Bowl. We're gonna do all 2587 02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:49,120 Speaker 1: they You know, they were two games away from the 2588 02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:51,040 Speaker 1: super Bowl. They weren't in the super Bowl. If that 2589 02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:54,800 Speaker 1: kick goes through, I think there's a little bit of complacency. 2590 02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,960 Speaker 1: There's thinking that we've got this all figured out. All 2591 02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:58,680 Speaker 1: we gotta do is just get to the season. We're 2592 02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:00,800 Speaker 1: gonna go again. I don't think that's gonna happen that. 2593 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,880 Speaker 1: Do you think they take a monster step back? I 2594 02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:05,800 Speaker 1: think the Bears are a team that drops out of 2595 02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:08,080 Speaker 1: the playoff race this year. There's always a team or 2596 02:07:08,080 --> 02:07:12,000 Speaker 1: two that when that's five fewer games than they didn't you, 2597 02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:13,960 Speaker 1: So I think that's more likely than it is the Saints. 2598 02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:16,200 Speaker 1: So we both say false, the Saints are going to remain. 2599 02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:18,560 Speaker 1: We think the Saints will remain in the playoff field, 2600 02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:22,760 Speaker 1: and for just for different reasons. All right, NFL true 2601 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:25,000 Speaker 1: false number two, we got three of these. Okay, so 2602 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,560 Speaker 1: you can gotch you ready for that stretch out right? 2603 02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:32,880 Speaker 1: Here we go. Chiefs Patriots is the best rivalry going 2604 02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:39,280 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. False? Okay, go ahead, Yeah, 2605 02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna and it's a good that is a good one. 2606 02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:45,800 Speaker 1: But it hasn't been you know, Mahomes is only I mean, 2607 02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:48,280 Speaker 1: it's not like he's been in that game exactly. He 2608 02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,320 Speaker 1: hasn't been around that long. I mean, come on, before 2609 02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:52,320 Speaker 1: we start doing that, I mean There are a couple 2610 02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:54,560 Speaker 1: different teams with the Patriots that I put ahead of that, 2611 02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:58,160 Speaker 1: including the Steelers. I still when when Ben Roethlisberger and 2612 02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:00,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers line up against the Patriots, I think that's 2613 02:08:00,240 --> 02:08:03,600 Speaker 1: a pretty dog on good good rivalry. And the other 2614 02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:07,160 Speaker 1: one that i'd put up there as you give me 2615 02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:11,160 Speaker 1: the Eagles Cowboys. That's a good one, and both teams 2616 02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:14,919 Speaker 1: are really really good right now, just like the Patriots 2617 02:08:14,920 --> 02:08:19,320 Speaker 1: and Steelers. It seems like every year, you know, Steelers 2618 02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:22,120 Speaker 1: Patriots are playing to go to the super Bowl. It 2619 02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:25,840 Speaker 1: seems like that almost every year. I mean, okay, Kansas City, 2620 02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:29,440 Speaker 1: you know one time, I mean, yeah, I'm going to 2621 02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:32,360 Speaker 1: old school. You give me the Steelers Patriots, or you 2622 02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:35,520 Speaker 1: go really old school, give me Cowboys Eagles. Right, I'm 2623 02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:37,680 Speaker 1: gonna say false. As well, they've played one time or 2624 02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:40,240 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of times. They don't play often enough 2625 02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:42,160 Speaker 1: for it to be a really good rivalry. You need 2626 02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:45,600 Speaker 1: to be in the division. I like like Baltimore Pittsburgh. 2627 02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:48,840 Speaker 1: I love those guys. That's a that's a nasty, tough, 2628 02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:52,240 Speaker 1: hard nose. And I think for if you're looking locally, Buffalo, 2629 02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:55,120 Speaker 1: I think the Bill's biggest rivals the Jets. Those are 2630 02:08:55,120 --> 02:08:57,440 Speaker 1: two teams that have been on a on a similar 2631 02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:59,600 Speaker 1: parallel track for the last couple of years. They play 2632 02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:02,280 Speaker 1: each other twice a year. They've got two young quarterbacks 2633 02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,240 Speaker 1: that they're looking at. I think that's a game that 2634 02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:06,400 Speaker 1: I point to as a Bills fan and a Bills 2635 02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:09,280 Speaker 1: follower that I'm like, that's a team we gotta beat, 2636 02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:13,600 Speaker 1: and so for me, that's a more that's the most 2637 02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,800 Speaker 1: interesting rivalry for the Bills right now. But league wide, 2638 02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:21,440 Speaker 1: I still think there's a lot. I think it's the 2639 02:09:21,560 --> 02:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Chiefs Rams game that went to fifty five fifty one 2640 02:09:25,320 --> 02:09:27,680 Speaker 1: and that great Monday night epic shootout. I think that's 2641 02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:30,600 Speaker 1: a more intriguing matchup than any of the others as well. 2642 02:09:30,680 --> 02:09:33,200 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say false as well. The Chiefs Patriots. 2643 02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:36,080 Speaker 1: While it's probably gonna be a good game, I'm not 2644 02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:39,080 Speaker 1: sure that that's the the be all into all the 2645 02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:41,240 Speaker 1: greatest story. So I'm gonna say false as well. All right, right, 2646 02:09:41,320 --> 02:09:44,240 Speaker 1: we got all right, we agreed last one real quick, yeah, 2647 02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:45,920 Speaker 1: NFL true false. Last one we got to go to 2648 02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:49,320 Speaker 1: a break because we deally dalled. This is a good one. 2649 02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:53,280 Speaker 1: I'll go first. Raiders have the best uniforms in an NFL. 2650 02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say false, false. It's there's a matter of taste. 2651 02:09:56,920 --> 02:09:59,480 Speaker 1: Everybody has their own opinion and you don't have to really, 2652 02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, justify why you like this one over the other. 2653 02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:04,360 Speaker 1: But no, I'm saying no, the Raiders do not have 2654 02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:06,560 Speaker 1: They are nice. I like the black and the silver, 2655 02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:09,160 Speaker 1: it's very nice, But I do not like the the 2656 02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:12,040 Speaker 1: I don't think they're the best uniforms in the Who 2657 02:10:12,040 --> 02:10:15,280 Speaker 1: you got then? I like Bill's Away, Bills Away is good. 2658 02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Bill's Away, red, white and blue. You give me the 2659 02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Packers though, I love that G on the side of 2660 02:10:20,120 --> 02:10:23,080 Speaker 1: the helmet. You don't like the Packers unis? Alright? Alright, alright, 2661 02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:25,320 Speaker 1: We're we're to come back with what do we learned? 2662 02:10:25,400 --> 02:10:27,320 Speaker 1: Right after the break. This is One Bill's Live presented 2663 02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:29,200 Speaker 1: by Kalida Health from One Bill's Drive, and this is 2664 02:10:29,200 --> 02:10:45,600 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. What have we learned? Presented by Advanced 2665 02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:49,000 Speaker 1: Alarm providing Western New York's homes and businesses with the 2666 02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:51,640 Speaker 1: finest and security and home theater and the preferred alarm 2667 02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:53,600 Speaker 1: and home theater provider of the Buffalo Bills. We had 2668 02:10:53,640 --> 02:10:56,560 Speaker 1: Mike Tanier on from Bleacher Report and asked him about 2669 02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:58,920 Speaker 1: if he had any concerns about the drop off in 2670 02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:02,760 Speaker 1: rushing production by Lashawn McCoy a year ago, and we 2671 02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:04,640 Speaker 1: asked him if he thought that would be a concern 2672 02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:08,680 Speaker 1: this year. And here's what he said. You have to 2673 02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:11,000 Speaker 1: be concerned at this point because so much of what 2674 02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:15,160 Speaker 1: Shade McCoy's ability was was that jump cutting ability, that 2675 02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:17,400 Speaker 1: sort of make you miss on that first move type 2676 02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:19,480 Speaker 1: of thing. And that's the kind of thing that is 2677 02:11:19,560 --> 02:11:21,880 Speaker 1: likely to fade with age, likely to decline with agents. 2678 02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's rare for a guy to get that 2679 02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:25,840 Speaker 1: back at thirty two thirty three, even if he lost 2680 02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:27,560 Speaker 1: the due to injuries, or due to wear and caar, 2681 02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:30,400 Speaker 1: or due to maybe frustrations on the line. So you know, 2682 02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,400 Speaker 1: I would be concerned even with the revs Offensive line. 2683 02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:36,160 Speaker 1: But that's why you have reasons to mitigate the concern there. 2684 02:11:36,200 --> 02:11:37,760 Speaker 1: That's why you do have a frank war there. You 2685 02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:39,880 Speaker 1: have a TJ yelled and you have the young man's singletary, 2686 02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:43,440 Speaker 1: so as McCoy's if he's getting fased out, that's the situation. 2687 02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:46,520 Speaker 1: You do have Plans BC and D behind him. That 2688 02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:48,680 Speaker 1: was Mike Tainer from the Bleacher Report. We also had 2689 02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Robert Mays, on staff writer for The Ringer and the 2690 02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,600 Speaker 1: host of The Ringer NFL Show podcast. He has some 2691 02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:56,360 Speaker 1: thoughts on what an perfect offensive line and how it 2692 02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:59,000 Speaker 1: would be built, and he said the Buffalo Bills may 2693 02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:02,120 Speaker 1: be a perfect example of what that is. Here's what 2694 02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Robert Mays or the Ringers said about that perfect offensive line. 2695 02:12:07,320 --> 02:12:09,240 Speaker 1: You go out and you spend a lot of funey 2696 02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:11,120 Speaker 1: at ch force, which is fine. You know, it's okay 2697 02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:13,320 Speaker 1: to have one or two expensive, high level pieces. But 2698 02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,680 Speaker 1: after that they went out and they did it with 2699 02:12:16,040 --> 02:12:18,640 Speaker 1: marginalized aspects to me, but spent the second round tick 2700 02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:20,880 Speaker 1: on Cody floor. But that doesn't cost too much against 2701 02:12:20,920 --> 02:12:24,720 Speaker 1: the cap TYA Seki was not somebody that was going 2702 02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:27,240 Speaker 1: to get premium money, but is a very competent starter 2703 02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:30,440 Speaker 1: and probably at right tackle. And then for the interior positions, 2704 02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:32,600 Speaker 1: you roll a lot of dice. You try to get 2705 02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:34,640 Speaker 1: guys that are cheap but have been solid or Quinn 2706 02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:36,720 Speaker 1: Spain I thought was a really good signing. So I 2707 02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:39,040 Speaker 1: use them as an example of what I would probably 2708 02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:41,320 Speaker 1: try to do. I would try to use a combination 2709 02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:44,600 Speaker 1: of semi high level draft picks. They aren't the first rounders, 2710 02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:48,040 Speaker 1: but in the first two or three rounds, some underappreciated 2711 02:12:48,120 --> 02:12:50,120 Speaker 1: free agents said are going to break the bank, and 2712 02:12:50,160 --> 02:12:53,320 Speaker 1: maybe one or two highly priced guys, And so I 2713 02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:55,120 Speaker 1: enjoyed what they did, and I'd like when other teams 2714 02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:57,960 Speaker 1: both like that. That was Robert Mays or the Ringers 2715 02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:59,880 Speaker 1: saying you liked what the Buffalo Bills did on their 2716 02:13:00,040 --> 02:13:02,440 Speaker 1: offensive line. Josh Reid been with us all day. Thanks 2717 02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:04,760 Speaker 1: so much for coming in on a Friday, a particularly 2718 02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:07,800 Speaker 1: a spectacularly beautiful friday. I'm gonna need a nap. I'm 2719 02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:10,720 Speaker 1: used to three minute sportscast and this three hour thing. 2720 02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:13,920 Speaker 1: It's a monster. It's been a fun day. It's been 2721 02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:16,480 Speaker 1: a great time. Thanks for having appreciate it. Working back, 2722 02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:19,200 Speaker 1: I hope everybody has a great weekend. We're gonna be back. 2723 02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:21,720 Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Callida Health from One Bill's Drive. 2724 02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:25,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to thank production assistance George Blast, Jeff Colton, act, 2725 02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:29,120 Speaker 1: Thomas Holland or Kelly Rude, JJ Tarito, Kevin Krgis and 2726 02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:32,480 Speaker 1: James Roebel, and of course our producer Jay Harris. Way 2727 02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:34,400 Speaker 1: to go, everybody, Thanks for hanging in there with us. 2728 02:13:34,440 --> 02:13:37,680 Speaker 1: A nice Friday. We're gonna be back on Monday, or 2729 02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:42,040 Speaker 1: at least we think we will. This has been One 2730 02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:44,520 Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health from One Bill's Drive. 2731 02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:47,440 Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, have a great weekend. This is Buffalo Bill's 2732 02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:48,680 Speaker 1: Radio