WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Remaining Needs? 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.280 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:18.239 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:22.079 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:31.640 Star in Friscotowing to the list and now your hosts, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:37.240 Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.919 It is another off season addition of Talking Cowboys, presented 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.920 by Geico live and in person streaming coast to coast 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.320 and around the world here from the atsw BC Mortgage 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.400 Studios at the Star in Frisco. And it is another 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.520 triumph of another week of Dallas Cowboys offseason talk. The 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.200 NFL Draft in the review mirror, the rookie minicamps right 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.640 on the horizon. As We've got plenty to talk about. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.199 And we talked a lot about defense over the last 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.280 couple of episodes, and deservedly so because the Cowboys spent 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.880 eight draft picks on defensive players. But guess what, We're 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.640 gonna talk some offense today. Change it up a little 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.920 bit and talk about the offense. Glad you're with us. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.160 Kyle Yeoman's, Robbed Phillips, We've got Isaiah stand Back heck, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:25.000 my Harrison as always the world famous shirt. The shirt 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:30.880 is amazing. What's that material? What is it? Lt is? 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.200 What it is? A pack up? No, I got it 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.040 from the pro shop. Man. You have to check it out. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.039 They knew who I was in the pro shop. I'm 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.760 huge in the Pro shop. Bro, I've never seen that one. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.640 It's like him and BUCkies. I think it's custom. This 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:48.520 is the kind of velvet painting it on something like that. Yeah, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.240 I don't do to paint it on. You know. You 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.840 know what Isaiah does do though, that none of us 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.200 else could do. He ran the one hundred meters before 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.560 he did. Yeah, how'd you fair? What's your time? I 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.960 placed fifth in pac tens? Which is U say that 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.440 I'm not good enough? But I ran a ten four 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.480 ten four. Let me ask you this, what is it 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.440 with wide receivers in this confidence that makes y'all believe 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.240 that you could just walk out on the track and well, 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.200 to be fair, I was. I was a quarterback at 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:21.640 the time. Heck, oh, my bad, bad, my bad, starting quarterback. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.040 I was, you know, not to say I was a 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:27.040 fast quarterback in the nation, but anyway, just a double back. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.920 M No, I mean I admire and I recognize. Um, 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.280 I acknowledge what Decay did. UM I respected, I respected. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.400 He's faster than I was at that time. I can 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.320 tell you that you buy by a step or so. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.560 So as a large human being running against a lot 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.200 of fast human beings. Um And like he said, most 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.680 guys wouldn't do that. Most guys would not put themselves 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.480 in a position to lose. You know what you're going 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.840 to lose, But you're putting yourself in an environment where 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.760 other people are better than you, so all you can 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.760 do is get better. So what we're talking about. By 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.200 the way, just for those who you who haven't necessarily 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.680 seen this on social media, it's blown up on Twitter 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.320 and it's blown up around social media. But Seattle Seahawks 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.560 wide receiver DK Metcalf decided to run the one hundred 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:11.280 meters in attempt to qualify for the qualifiers of the Olympics. Basically, right, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.080 he wanted to try and make the Olympic trials and 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.280 that's what this race was. He ended up running out 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.880 what it was a ten three six and three six 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.000 and which is pretty good. He finished that ninth in 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.000 the heat. That's rolling really good. And yeah, by the 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.280 way he was racing, like you said, against guys that 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.400 he outweighed by forty pounds, and that's what they do. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.120 That's where I was going, Yes, because Nick and I 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:32.840 were talking about this upstairs. There's got to be some 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.400 technique stuff involved. He is times of it doing on 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.000 a daily basis. Right, he had the same struggles I 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.000 had when you're that size. I think when I was running, 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:42.640 I think it was two twenty five, so he had 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.760 ten pounds on me, and he ran faster. You know, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.280 when you're that size and you're most of the guys 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.480 you're running against number one and like five eight five nine, right, 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.760 and these guys are light there there. They've been trained 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.880 since since birth to run fast in a straight line. Right, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.720 He's trained to move grown men out the way, he's 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:00.840 trained to cut right. He's trying to do all these things. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.320 So he has to work very different, very very hard, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.440 all right, on getting out on his dry phase, on 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.120 his first thirty meters, on all the different phases of 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.720 the race. These guys don't have to really, I mean 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.880 they're thinking about it, but like it's natural for them. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.160 It's muscle natural. Yeah, it's muscle memory. So respect to him, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.360 man for putting that platform, putting that in perspective. We 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.360 have the state titles, state tournament track me in Austin, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.200 there was a kid ran a nine nine. That's disrespectful, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:30.480 it's unbelievable. Yeah, high school. And so I mean we 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.560 wanted to just kind of give problems with because he 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.160 caught a lot of slack on Twitter for what exactly 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.800 this night. He's faster than Yeah, he finished night. That's 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.360 probably why because he lost other normal human being that 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.320 gets out there car and goes in a grocery store. Yeah, 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.800 no way. If a pit bull got loose, he's getting loose. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.080 He's getting away. You're not. Yeah, that's that's the fact, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.360 completely agreed, that's putting it in perspective for real. Everybody 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.560 want to if a pit bull got loosen, you're going 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.919 to dug On grocery store, right, You're going to the 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.200 grocery store and going to Groger's. He is getting away. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.719 Everybody else not me, No, No, I told y'all line 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.920 Mickey Spagnola up against me, and I'm confident everybody else. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.039 I don't have any confident that a race. So what 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:11.680 about your time? What do you think you're doing? A hunt? 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.880 Oh god, I don't even want to know on this 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.280 fifteen sixteen you do better than that if you're real, 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.680 I don't really know. Yeah, you would have to. Can 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:22.719 you can you beat can you beat CB? Can you 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.599 beat Chris Be? Yeah? I could beat Chris Beam. Yeah, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.320 that's I could do that. Chris Bean was yeah, I 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.279 don't know. I don't. I don't crime you want to 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.200 So you want to set this up or no? That's 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.760 a no? Yeah, the violence, I would see it. What 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.680 do we really have this conversation on Twitter? Jesse? Wasn't 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:48.200 Jesse involved with? Yeah? Well we talked about a combine 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.279 like yeah, between the shows, we also talked about you 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.560 guys racing. Yeah, let's do it. I'd be down, let's 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.560 do it. Let's do it up on the Tostitos Championship 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.440 plason and run a race. Do you need to start? Uh, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.040 let's do one clean and then then I'll try and 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.719 do it head. Sorry, we'll do that. How about that? Yeah? 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:16.240 Just destroyed me and then yeah that would yeah. Uh 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.640 So going from more of a sprint to what has 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.960 been a metrathon for the Dallas Cowboys, and that's trying 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.040 to find a backup quarterback and at least over the 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.520 last couple of years, it hasn't necessarily been a place 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.600 of confidence for this franchise outside of Andy Dalton. I mean, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.360 I guess pretty much Andy Dalton was the best backup 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.800 quarterback this Cowboys team has seen in a long time. He, 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.039 of course, is now in Chicago going to battle it 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.120 out with Justin Fields. Poor Andy Dalton going up there, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.960 and then they go and draft Justin Fields. But my 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:47.880 question to you guys, and this is actually a mail 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.839 back question that we'll hit the other mail back question 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.600 in our second segment, and Rob you got a chance 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.039 to answer this. I'll start with you, are the Cowboys 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.880 confident at backup quarterback? Because they didn't take one in 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.719 the draft last year. It took until after the draft 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.520 to go and find a guy like Andy Dalton, So 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.640 it was right around this time that's when you start 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.440 hearing rumors like we did last week with Jeff Driscoll 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.560 maybe potentially coming in, or he at least came and visited, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.800 but there was no deal made. Are the Cowboys actively 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:17.600 shopping to try and find a veteran backup quarterback at 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.280 this point? Yeah, I would say they are. I mean, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.840 I don't. They haven't found an answer there yet, and 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.320 I don't know if they will. It's not the same. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.520 You know, there's not an Andy Dalton just sitting out 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.440 there who's got one hundred and thirty three starts and 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.360 made three Pro Bowls. But I think they're constantly looking 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.640 for it. Mike McCarthy said it a couple of weeks ago. Competition. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.280 We always are looking for that competition there behind Dak Prescott. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.720 And you know, when you look at the number of 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.120 starts that Garrett Gilbert has that been. Denucci has one 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.600 start in his career and it wasn't great timing for 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.640 him last year as a rookie, and then Cooper Rush 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.720 has been you know, very minimal playing time behind Dak, 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.200 and then you know behind any Dalton last year. They 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.600 just don't have a lot of experience. So Driscoll did 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.040 come in Friday. He's got nine career starts. No deal 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.720 was there. It sounded like maybe he's got some options. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.440 You know, maybe it's good to get cut after the 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.040 drafts your quarterback because the tea teams are always looking 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.040 for more quarterbacks. If that deal doesn't materialize, I think 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.080 there's still a chance there's another vet brought in, but 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.600 I don't know who exactly that would be. And it's 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.600 not a you know, it's not a wide field there, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.600 but he would be an upgrade in terms of experience 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.400 at least. Isaiah, what would you look for in a 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.400 backup quarterback here? Because I mean from somebody who's played 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.920 the position before. You can always look out there and 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.680 see the numbers, and the numbers for a lot of 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.640 these guys aren't fantastic. Jeff Driscoll, Robert Griffin, the Third, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.640 Matt Barkley, Josh McCown. I guess Jamis Winston technically is 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.880 still available, but he'll go back to New Orleans or 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.080 whatever that ends up being. I mean, there's not great 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.760 numbers along the way. But why would a backup quarterback 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.600 in this scenario where you do have a Cooper Rush, 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.960 where you do have a Bandannucci, and you have these guys, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.959 why would there be a beneficial part of getting a 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.920 backup quarterbacks? So you need a veteran, You prefer to 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.280 have a veteran backup quarter the reason being because of 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.559 the position that your team is in. Your your team 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.480 personnel wise, is in a position that you feel like 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.880 you're gonna be probably in the run for playoffs, right 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.200 you should you looking at our roster, you would think 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:12.880 that we would have a playoff run. Sure, So being 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.320 that that's the case, right, you have to look at 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.480 it in a situation or aspect. If we were to 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.679 lose our starting quarterback, say the week before the playoffs, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:22.839 what type of quarterback do we want coming in here? 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.200 Do we want a guy that's that's just a young 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.080 talent that you know, who has potential, or do we 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.199 want somebody who's proven, who knows how to handle situations, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.480 who has experienced and that doesn't need to do anything 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.000 extra but just simply needs to guide our team to 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.680 the finish line. So that's when I think about backups. 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.959 That's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at somebody, Hey, 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:42.440 week one to get hurt. Can he carry us through 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.040 the whole season. I'm looking at hey, worst case scenario, right, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.920 somebody gets hurt right at the right key point, key 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.240 point of the season. What can this person do for us? 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.440 And what kind of experience do they bring playoffs? Giants 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.679 lose Phil Sims, Jeff Fossetler just comes in and we 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.240 need to win a couple of games, he gets it done, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.040 that's it, and that's that's what you're looking for. Right. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.440 So as I'm looking at this list these free agents, 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.040 I'm not happy. Um, you know, I think I made 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.800 it knowing some some time back up months back that 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.560 I was looking for Blaine Gabbert and you know, he 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.120 went to Tampa. I think that was probably the best 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.160 guy that we could have gotten, but Tampa wasn't gonna 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.600 let that go. But a couch job for Blaine Gabbert. Chilling. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.600 It's been behind TV twelve. But I mean, if you 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.120 just think about last season and you approach it from 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.559 a crime crime scene investigative, put the blue light on 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.760 the quarterbacks room and there were splatters up against the wall. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.880 It just did not go well for the backup quarterback. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.920 Come on, God, just keep it real cowboys, all right. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.440 So it was, you know, we didn't fare well in 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.640 that's when when Dak went down. And it's not like 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.600 we were on a roll before Dak got hurt, but 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.600 at least we started to see the game started to 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.200 slow down a little bit in that in the COVID 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.079 season that we were having. But you know, you make 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.920 a point, you know, you don't want to find out 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.040 what you have at the end of the season and 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.120 you're trying to make a run and then guy comes 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.760 off the bench and he's not what you thought he was. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.319 And so, I mean, for a period of time, especially 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.680 after the Washington football team game when Andy Dalton went down, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.000 we were just at limbo at the quarterback position. And 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.520 you think about how many injuries we had on the 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.000 offensive line and all of that. It's just relative to 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.000 the fact that there wasn't going to be any success 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.559 either way, right, and so you got to kind of 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.520 shore up that position. And whether we stayed with Gilbert, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:31.120 which he has experiences, experience and starts as one or 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.200 two couple, yeah, but not a lot. But I mean 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.640 if you think about the position, the backup quarterback position 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.520 in the NFL, I mean, if any of these guys 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.719 were in any position to compete for a one of 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.400 those thirty two jobs, they would be on that roster 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.400 to do it. Oh yeah. And it's not the same 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.360 cap as it was last year where you know they 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.600 slotted however million many million it was for Andy Dalton 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.560 last year. And to your point, if Dad goes down 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.319 for a significant period of time, you're probably screwed. Yeah, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.640 I mean you're probably not gonna you know, you have to, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.439 like Jerry said when he went down, you know, they 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.160 said they had to adjust their expectations. But heck made 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.280 the point, like Isaiah's idea of Andy Dalton could have 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.880 been that guy if everything else was perfect around him. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.679 The biggest thing was losing both your starting tackles. Yeah, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.080 that changes how you play football. I mean that changes 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.280 you know, you don't have the things you can lean 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.240 on in terms of protection and balance that way. And 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.520 I hate to use this team as a reference Archyle, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.560 but you know the fairytale story that the the Boo 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.400 Eagles had with Nick Foles, right, I mean, WinCE goes 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.760 down here, he comes off the bench and he only 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.560 has a few win situations where he has to win, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.679 and he goes in and he does it. I mean 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.920 it's not like he played out of his mind. He 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.240 just didn't turn the ball over. And that's what you 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.720 need from your back up. So that kind of brings 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.400 me to the question of Andy Dalton last year, and 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.480 we had talked about this previously, how the tackles were 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.360 the biggest loss, and then Andy Dalton was kind of 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.680 the one that had to deal with that, that heat 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.680 kind of had to took that bear that on his job, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.760 on his back, because I mean he came in and 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.080 of course that Washington game on the road is the 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:09.520 one that sticks in my mind the most where he 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.599 just got destroyed at the end of that game, unfortunately. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.840 But looking at a backup quarterback situation, now, I mean, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.680 the one guy I look at is maybe Blake Bortles, 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:21.520 or maybe you could go get a Blake Bortles if 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.199 you're wanting starting experience. He's got the most starts out 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.760 there by far. I thought Jamis was back with New Orleans. 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.200 He is, He's on this list, but when I was 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:30.560 going down the list and I read him, and I 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.360 was like, I don't think that's true. So but yeah, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.600 he's back, But Blake Bortles, Brian Hoyer, maybe I don't 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.480 really want anybody outside of those two. I think I 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.960 would rather ride with a Garrett Gilbert or a Cooper 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.319 Rush at that point, or even Ben da Nucci. He's 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.680 not a rookie anymore. He's had at least one look 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.880 at a professional defense. So that brings me to my question, 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.840 is is this Cowboys team outside of the quarterback position. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.360 Where do they need to find or what else do 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.200 they need to find this offseason? What are those extra needs? 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.640 Because you feel a couple of them, some offensive line 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.160 depth in the draft, you got an actual wide receiver. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.800 Where do you see the needs lying on the offensive 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.120 side of the football moving into the ladder parts of 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.520 this offseason? And I think you feel good. I think 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.800 you feel good about Ezekiel Elliott coming back into the season. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.440 You last year, I didn't just let's throw twenty twenty 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.360 away for Zeke because he led the league in fumbles, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.960 everything bad, Everything you don't need. And even in the 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.480 situation like where you lose your starting quarterback, you expect 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.320 for the running game with the star athlete like Zeke 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.840 to at least carry you through some games. And obviously 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.880 your quarterback is gonna have to make some throws. But 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.680 I just feel like Zeke is going to be the 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.520 key to this season, getting us back in the win 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.400 column and just getting that feel good around here, because look, 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.360 he has to have a bounce back season. I think 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.040 he will. I think you will. I mean, I think 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.480 we addressed it obviously a ton last year. There's no 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.560 running back inside from the dude by the name of 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.360 Barry Enters that would have been successful without they're starting 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.000 off as a line just matter. It's just not happening, right. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.680 So I've been I've personally been in that position where 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.680 you know, some of your guys go down and now 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.640 you're in a position where you have to create, right, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.880 and now of a sudden you're trying to create. Now 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.720 things that were important, like securing a ball aren't as 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.080 important because you're trying to make something happen, right, And 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.840 that's what he ran into last year. Is Zeke is 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.240 still Zeke, Zeke stills Zeke. I know he's working. I've 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:24.760 been seeing some of the things. He's been looking good, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.760 and he does look good. You know, he's focusing. He's 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.840 a competitor, right, and we know and one thing about competitors, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.160 they're always gonna bounce back. So um, I look forward 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.960 to him having a great year, buddy. Everything on his offense, 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.640 everything on everybody's office, depends on your office a line. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.720 I agree Kyle about the backup thing. I'm fine with 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.560 them signing any anybody that's somewhat of a veteran, like 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.400 a Drisco or somebody else and just compete. You know, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.760 maybe Garrett Gilbert plays better in training camp in preseason, 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.720 but just get that competition to see who's better. As 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.040 far as needs, Isaiah, let me write to it, man. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.520 They got to figure out their swing tackle situation. And 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.160 I know they signed Tyni Seki, who's been maybe a 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.040 little underrated in his career as a guy that stepped 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.720 in and done a good job when he's needed to 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.360 face the Cowboys with Washington and did a nice job there. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.720 He's been in Buffalo. They draft Josh Ball, but they 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.000 got to figure that out because you know Tyrn. You 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.880 know he's hopefully he's back to where he needs to be. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.240 But even when before this neck deal he was gonna 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:24.480 miss three games, you know, where's your confidence level? They 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.880 say they're confident. If they say they're confident, and the 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.480 fact that they restructured his deal, that makes me feel 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.840 confident too, that they're willing to push more money down 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.920 the road that he's gonna be Okay, do I think 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.480 he's gonna play sixteen starts? He hasn't done that and 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.400 I don't know how many years, So you have to 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.200 be ready for that. They're trying to be ready for that. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.160 But you know, maybe the answer is Zach Martin, you know, 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.720 and they don't play around with that anymore and say, oh, 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.160 two positions. What it now is that wherever there's an 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.760 injury at tackle, Zach Martin's your tackle left or right, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.760 and Connor mcgovernors your starting guard and just fix it 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.120 that way and don't mess around with young guys trying 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.040 to come in and play tackle that they aren't ready 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.440 or aren't good enough to be productive consistently. So still 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.880 Steele was thrown to the Wolves last year. I mean 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.280 the same that you look at the backup quarterback situation 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.480 if you don't feel that way about Steele in the 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:15.600 swing tackle position or Brandon Knight, and they fought, you know, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:17.960 but they're young guys against them, really good rushers in 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.280 this division and they didn't have a lot of consistent success. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.600 So they did add in the SEC and I feel 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.119 better that way. But do I feel great about it? 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.120 You should know. And it's kind of like quarterback. It's 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.720 like if you're if your cornerstone left tackle goes down, 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:34.919 there aren't many of those guys out there, so I 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.800 don't know if you feel great whenever you lose your 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.199 guy like that. Tyni Secki by the way has not 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.480 had a start since Week five of twenty nineteen, I 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.840 believe is when his last start was, and he's had 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.800 one start of the last two years, seventeen over his career, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.120 and he's played in eighty one games. So if it's 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.840 a lot and is PFF, numbers are pretty good, pretty yeah, yeah, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.080 not bad. But if you're looking for a guy to 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.119 come in and be your swing tackle, I don't know 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.440 if seventeen starts out of eighty one career games since 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.640 twenty twelve is anything that gets me excited. But it's 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.159 a luxury. I mean, how many teams have a great 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.240 backup tackle that just I mean, that's why Zach comes 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.000 in my mind. It's like with Zachi play anywhere, We'll 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.880 put him anywhere. Who do you feel better about cam 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.320 Irving last year or Tynesski this year? Which is tough 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.360 to say hindsight twenty twenty seeing cam Irving not play 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.119 the majority of the year as well miss ten games. Yeah, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:29.840 I would say in a SECU just based off hopefully availability. Isaiah, 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.760 I don't know. I don't have Yeah, I can't. You haven't. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.879 You haven't watched a ton of Dyna Seki tape have 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.879 not goodness, Come on, what kind of professional are you know? 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.119 I mean, the confidence isn't there, and I think Rob 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.199 just kind of goes that that you have to you know, 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.520 these tyrant Smiths don't grow on trees. You don't see 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.200 these quite often. And we just need seventeen games this season, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.080 but it's been five years, six years since he's started 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.080 an entire season, and even looking at Zach Martin in 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.760 that role to move him away from are just gives 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.680 me the you know, bubble guts too, because he got 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.040 hurt at right tackle. So you know, look, the thing 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:08.760 is is that we didn't do a lot in the 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.919 draft in those earlier rounds to get what we consider those, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.000 you know, top tier guys. So we're gonna be relying 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.880 heavily on the balls and steels and night and all 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.639 those guys to kind of make way to be that. 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.560 But you know, we've mcgoverned. We've had so many guys 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.399 that we've drafted along the way that we have to 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.000 rely on to at least turn you know the learning 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.480 curve be there and see what they have. I think 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.240 preseason is going to be very important to get a 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.480 gauge on what the offensive line is going to look 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.520 like us right now based off of last year, we're 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.560 not confident and what we saw they needed it last 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.600 year too. They definitely needed it last year that preseason. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.880 And maybe Josh Ball turns out to be Doug Free. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:49.840 You know, a guy that gets drafted the middle rounds 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.159 and Isaiah's teammate and it turns out to be a 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.239 veteran for ten years. Who knows, but right now, you 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.800 know it just it's like backup quarterback. You just I 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.440 don't know if you ever feel great about it. You know, well, 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.439 if you had to choose between getting a veteran right 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.920 now for a quarterback position or offensive line position, which 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.479 one you go with? Oh, that's a good question. It's 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.480 a great question. I think I would probably look at 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.639 offensive line. I would because I mean, not adding one 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.800 in the draft was a byproduct of how bad your 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.119 defense was and missed first round second round picks previously. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.399 If Jalen Smith and Laton vander Esh played up to 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.240 their potential of a first round pick. In a second 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.920 round pick, you're not gonna pick Michael Parsons there at 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.520 ten or I guess at twelve, but you're not gonna 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.000 pick him there you're gonna pick for shats later and 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:33.520 you're gonna ride because you have a little bit of 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.000 a luxury room. You didn't have that luxury. You needed 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:37.720 to go with the defensive player at that point, or 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:39.879 at least that's what they thought, and they went and 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.600 they took a Micah Parsons there because they missed on 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.400 some of those picks previously. So I think I would 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:51.679 still add a veteran offensive lineman because a tackle for sure. Okay, yeah, tackle. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.800 I feel decent about the guard spot with Martin Williams 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.960 hopefully being healthy throughout. I mean, I feel decent there. 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.960 That's an average positions favorite. Oh he's not my favorite either. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.960 I tried to replace him with Rashawns later for like 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:11.399 six months. But I would feel better there if in 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.679 terms of availability at the guard spot rather than tackles. 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.639 And that's why I think tackle would probably be my 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.000 priority there. If you're telling me, I could find another 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.359 Andy Dalton to just have have him ready just in case, 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.160 give me that, because I mean, I'm confident DA's gonna 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.840 be good, you know, I'm not. I'm not worried about that. 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.360 But in the event something happens, your season is just 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.000 in major jeopardy, you know, in terms of playoffs, without 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.680 your without your starter. And I think just das you know, 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.359 his durability over the years kind of lulled us to sleep. 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.639 And when we saw him go down, go down, and 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.720 we realized he wouldn't come back, I think we took 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.400 the glass off the button and smashed it. And without 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.520 you know, the guy that was especially Isaiah's coming up. Hey, 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.160 you know this may be the start of something, but 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.159 he's just to your question, I really believe backup or 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.320 the back. I want to be assured of that. And 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.320 even thinking about the Super Bowl Kansas City, you know, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.600 they didn't have a chance in that game because of 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.160 all of the injuries that they had an offensive line. 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.679 So you know, it's it's it's a little it's a 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.560 lot of give and take, and you can't have one 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:16.399 without the other. But I think if we had a 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.879 little bit of a mobile quarterback last year, maybe we 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.960 would have a fair just a tad been better because look, 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.080 man Dag was running for his life. Nay, he was. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.680 He was. That's why people liked Gilbert and that one 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.879 start because he moved a little bit. He moved a 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.320 little bit. You know and had a little moxy to 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.879 him a little bit. Yea, more so than Benda Nucci. 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.280 And I mean Benda Nucci can move too. Yeah, he's 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.879 got some athleticism too, but he just wasn't ready for 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.560 NFL speed. He wasn't ready for that prep speed. Poorn, 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:48.160 he just wasn't. Y'all gave a nick name Nucci Man. Yeah, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.720 I tried to pump him up. Let's just go make 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.119 high school Kyle happy and go sign RG three because 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.080 I grew up in Wake Goo, so second bar was 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.000 out there. Yeah, nah, go, I'm going with a starting 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.399 I don't want a guard. You want to guard. I 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.480 want to start in veteran guard over a tackle or 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.800 backup quarterback. I'm going with a starting veteran guard. And 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:09.760 then I'm putting I'm letting Cardin Williams get back to 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.240 what he's used to. Mmm. Oh, you're you're not even 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.280 worried about a backup? You want a starter? Yeah? Where 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:17.880 are you gonna get that with the kind of money 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:19.399 that they have, though, that's my question. I don't know. 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.680 Somebody's gonna be a discount, double check, discount, double closer. 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.600 You get to the season, though, the guys guy percent 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.560 off sticker on the on the flat screen TV. That's 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:31.720 what That's what Isaiah's trying to look for. It's easier 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.200 to find a veteran guarden is to find a tackle, 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.400 like we're talking about. It's a lot easier to find 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.520 somebody inside. It's true, bod, easier to find somebody inside. 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:41.520 So that's all I'm saying. You just gotta find him. 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:43.399 You might you might might have your you might have 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.719 your swing tackle. Backup swinging tackle on the team is 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.920 uh okay. So we've talked about offensive line. We've talked 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.919 about running back. We talked about quarterback. No, no worries 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:56.760 at wide receiver. We're pretty good there. What about tight end? 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.520 We're gonna talk about that when we come back on 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:00.399 the other side of the break. Is tie end a 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.960 sneaky need for this Dallas Cowboys team based off of 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.080 what we've heard previously. 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I felt like seattle out there, 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.800 so I did well. I don't ever take mine off. Heckman, 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:01.479 does I ever take his off? I'll tell you that much, 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.040 just because I got this well, I don't remember my vision. 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.440 It's something amazing though it's like twenty five, it's five five. Yeah, 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.600 whatever it was, it was, it was. It just made 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:12.640 us all feel terrible about it. So he's never seen 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.200 a human with that kind of vision. Movie. I don't 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:22.280 even want to hear this. You here here is this 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:28.760 is this robo? That is that robo Isaiah robo cops. Goodness? Uh, 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.880 going into mailbag Monday here of course, on talking Cowboys 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.480 to do it every Monday throughout the off season when 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.000 we have a good question to answer. And this one 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:40.560 comes from Greg from the great tropical city of Myrtle Beach, 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.960 South Carolina. Great city, by the way. Uh, seems like 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.359 almost every draft site had tight End as a big 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.679 area of need. I personally think we're in pretty good 0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.439 shape there. Obviously Dallas would have liked to look at 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.840 Kyle Pitts had he slipped a little bit, but that 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:59.200 didn't happen, of course, but area of need, and you 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.240 put that in quote marks, I think this team is 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.600 much more important area of need. Am I missing something? 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:06.760 And I don't necessarily disagree. I saw the same thing 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:08.560 on a lot of the draft sides, and I've kind 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.400 of rolled my eyes a little bit, But you look 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:15.320 at it. Blake Jarwin, He's not a guarantee. He had 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.920 the half of a game before he got hurt last 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.359 year and out for the season. What is he going 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.560 to be like in his return? That's a huge question 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.600 mark to me. You can rely on Dalton Schultz to 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.840 a certain extent, but we also had very low expectations 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.240 for the tight end position last year. He exceeded those expectations, 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:33.360 but once again, it was a pretty low bar from 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.399 the get go. So my question is to you guys, 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.360 is tight end a little bit more of a need 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.880 than we're thinking? Are we missing something here? What do 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.880 you think about that position? Overall? I thought we were 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:46.640 done with Kyle Pitts talk. I thought we were done 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:52.040 almost conversations saying there's a chance it never ends. It 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.840 never ends turning into Earl Thomas is what it is. Ah. Yeah, 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.240 you could blame David him. I do blame David Hilmoth, 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:03.280 and I think I think the national media got enamored 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.280 with the idea of a splashy draft pick, Kyle Pitts 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.040 coming in just making this offense even crazier in terms 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:10.920 of talent than it was. And I said, you know 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.120 Todd McShay top need for the Cowboys on ESPN and 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.959 he had tight end, Like wow, okay, dude, Like I 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.440 respect his work, but like anybody that covers this team 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:23.160 or watches this team on a on a close basis 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:25.840 knows you can get by with what you got at 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.040 tight end. Even if Blake Jarwin, everything we've heard is 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.239 he's good with his react deep. Even worst case that 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.520 doesn't work out, you got a guy that proved he 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.040 could be a starter in the NFL. And if worst 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:42.480 case goes beyond that, they signed another veteran Sprinkle, Jeremy Sprinkle, 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.200 who can do it. You know he could step in 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.200 him need be Noah Brown. Heck, I would put Noah 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.400 Brown at tight end if it really came down to it. 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.400 I see, you know, saw some plays from him at 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.400 the wide receiver position. I think you could line him 0:29:54.480 --> 0:30:04.959 up and do that too. He's bubbling up. No, I'm 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:06.720 just saying, if it came all the way down to it, 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.479 they they're okay, they can get by. Yes, we can 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.320 definitely get back. I think I feel good about our 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.960 tight ends, especially how we utilize our tight ends. That's 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:15.920 what people need to understand. When you start looking at 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.560 personnel on rosters, you have to understand it's not just 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.160 about the talent. It's not just about what they're capable of. 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.400 Like think about Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is a receiving 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.960 tight end. He's not blocking anybody in the NFL. I'm 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.320 just no disrespect to him. I don't see him putting 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.840 his hand on the ground and and blocking for for 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.320 Matt Ryan. It's just not going to happen. Um, So 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.760 adding him on this roster does nothing because you just 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.480 paid Jarwin. We have a we have a Pitts, right, 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:40.720 we have a we have a guy who can take 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.800 the top off. We have Jarwin, and Jarwin's gonna pay 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.520 fulfill his role. Unfortunately he got hurt last year. But 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:48.680 what we're gonna ask him to do he does well right, 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.320 which is run right, run straight, right, run straight, put 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:53.959 pressure on the safeties and I guess what, we got 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.000 three dogs at a wide receiver that can that can 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.120 get open. That's what you're asking the tight end to 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.520 do in this system. Show to the heck of a 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.480 job last year, obviously coming in and feeling in for 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.840 it for drawing, But you think about the potential having 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:06.160 both of those guys being able to come in and 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:07.920 run a two tight set, be able to run a 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.600 wing set, have those guys doing all kinds of underneath 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.520 routes and things of that nature. They're going to fulfill 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.000 what we're asking them to do. They do. They don't 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.840 need to be you know, zach Ertz or any of 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.240 these other guys out there, because that's not their role here. 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.000 And then we bring into then we got Sprinkle. We 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:29.760 got Sprinkle. South Bay Bay has his restaurant here, so 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.120 Sprinkles here now, and you know he's gonna come in 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.080 and put some hands on somebody. So it's about no 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.840 different than the Parsons pick. What are we asking them 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.479 to do at their position? That's what we're gonna put 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.880 them position to do. Well. I think that you know, 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.560 the NFL everyone is admiring, you know, these new offenses. 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.920 And the Kelsey Kildel argument comes in because you see 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.440 Kelsey top five and receiving from the tight end position 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.760 their ability to maximize the middle of the field because 0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.960 they're stretching everybody out on the outside. And so you 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.240 you admire that, and you say, I want one of 0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.880 those and we don't, and you that's what you would 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.200 say would be the need. But we have so many 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.800 receivers that can do so many multiple things in this offense. 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.800 And the one thing that I always worry about is 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:18.200 how do we utilize our tight ends right now? And 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.440 so even if we had a pitch, what would we 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.640 do with that in this office, with the other with 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.760 the other weapons that we have. What numbers could he 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.040 post as a rookie that would make him significant nod 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.200 another receiver. I think if he drafted Kyle Pits, you 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.080 would probably deal one of the receivers. In my opinion, 0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:37.200 I think that's probably what would be the next move, 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.040 kind of like Atlanta's got him and Julio Jones might 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:41.880 be on the move at some point. Maybe kind of thing. 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:43.760 But when it comes down to when it comes down 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.440 to the injuries last year, right, you know, Dalton shows 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.640 to me, he showed up and we were not looking 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.600 for him, and there were so many question marks over him. 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:53.840 We didn't even know if he was gonna make it 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.520 a new training camp once the belldozer came in and 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:58.959 there was those were those, there were the questions, and 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.400 he showed up for he did a lot of good 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.960 things in blocking run blocking. He showed and that was 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:07.040 supposedly quote unquote one of his weaknesses. He was giving effort. 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:08.800 He I mean, he doesn't have enough weight in his 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.800 in his drawers to hold his own in there. But 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:15.760 he was given good good offseason. Maybe he can sack up. Yeah, 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:22.000 I mean that's that's little I know. Yeah, but m 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.120 Jordan said about Kyle Pitts is he's a little lighting, 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:28.160 little light, yeah, tight in and like that's that didn't 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.280 Maybe the one gripe is that they don't have a 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.160 guy that can do it all at that position, like 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.200 you said, Blake's you know, he's a stretch of the 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.600 field guy. Dalton did improve. I think in that regard, 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.400 Sprinkle can help in that regard. Blake Bell was kind 0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.560 of their guy. But in this system, you don't have 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.520 to be a jack of all trades. In this system 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.000 at that position, you really don't, right, you need you 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:47.720 need a guy to come in and have his hand 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:49.840 in the ground and be able to run and you 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:51.560 know what say we got. We put Sprinkle in the game. 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:52.960 Guess what, I don't care if they think that we're 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:54.560 gonna run the ball. Once sprinkles in the game, it 0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:56.720 doesn't matter. We're either gonna run the ball behind him 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:58.800 or we're either gonna have him sit in there, him 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.920 and the Hito of Collins and block right and I 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:03.520 guess but oh yeah, we got those three dudes out 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:04.920 there that I can render routes all day long. So 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.320 you're not asking one guy to be your savior because 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.960 you have so much already. Yeah, Sprinkle's gonna come in 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:11.960 and he's gonna be your blocking tight Yeah, you've got 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.520 Shults who going to do a little bit of both. 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.040 Jarwin's gonna be the one that will attack the hash 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.800 marks and seems up the middle. So there's there's potential 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.279 there with that, with the position overall, and I think 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.319 whenever it comes to the side end position, both of 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.040 you guys made this point, and I think it's the 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.319 best way to think about it. With the weapons you 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.400 have on offense, you don't need the tight ends to 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.239 be exceptional. You don't need them to be next level. 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.320 You need your tight ends. You need sholts, you need Jarwin. 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.960 You need sprinkle to just be adequate. If you're adequate, 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.600 your offense is firing on all cylinders. And of course 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.040 the offensive line needs to be good, but you're asking 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.799 those guys to do to be excellent at exactly why 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:52.160 you're Why did you pay jar one take the top off, 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.400 because that's it. You're not because he's the most shifty 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.360 tight end in the world back in the middle of 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.400 the field. He's got good hands. Because in your system, 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.239 he's that valuable to you. In your system, what you're 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.040 asking him to do, he's that valuable to you. And 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:06.799 that's it goes back to our conversation last week when 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:08.839 we start talking about the linebacker pick in the first round. 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.840 He's that valuable to us because of what he's gonna 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.080 do in accordance with the other guys that he's gonna 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:15.839 be playing next to. And that's what you have. That's 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.760 what people don't understan when they start looking at personnel, 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.839 people get started losing their mind. All he can't do this, 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.600 isn't this, Yeah, but guess what what he can do 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.479 very well is exactly what this offense needs. But also 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.799 a better blocker. And so I mean, even when you 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.480 talk about sprinkle and look, man, these defensive coordinators in 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.120 the league, if they see any weaknesses and they they 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.520 come and study you, and you bring sprinkle in, We 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.759 are you about to hand it to Zeke? We come 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:41.160 in at you, you know, right away, and so you 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:45.640 can't divulge what you're gonna do. So and so that's 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:47.919 why that was the problem that I had with Bell 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.399 because you know that he wasn't doing a lot even 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.640 in Kansas City's offense as a receiving tight end. He 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.600 was more of a blocker. So the way that this offense, 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.600 the way that it looks on paper, it looks explosive, 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.640 looks like we're gonna be able to stretch the field, 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.279 really looks like there isn't going to be anything that 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:06.480 we can do. But right now at the tight end position, 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.880 there has to be another question there. Which guy is 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:12.319 going to start the season. Yeah, if he's healthy, I'm saying, 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.560 if he's healthy's come back from ACL so what you 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.040 don't know, I think he'll be fine. Well, I don't 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.080 know about that, but it was so early into last year. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.279 I think his rehab is gonna be help me there. 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.040 I don't know if we'll see him at OTAs in 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.399 mini camp just because that's not how they play do it? Yeah, 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.279 just getting ready to shoot me down now we'll be 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:34.680 talking about it this summer. He's got an insight track 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.760 that we don't know about. Sixty three catches from Shultz 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:40.759 last year. If you're if you're it is and if 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:44.000 but if you're line is healthier, he's probably not getting 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:47.160 those opportunities. Probably forty underneath. But that's okay, you know, 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.799 just just be efficient. I would take what they give you. Yeah, 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:52.920 I would rather have Dalton Schultz with forty catches, but 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:55.319 have our offense firing on all. Who do you think 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.080 who do you think Dak is going to rely on? 0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.080 I mean, he's coming back from an injury. Who do 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.600 you that first read? Getting the ball out of his hand, 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:06.520 not taking any punishment to tight end right, So it's 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.160 important that that brings up an interesting interesting point. Now 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.560 you mentioned this a minute ago, but flexibility is something 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.080 that I think this tight end position has. Is there 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:17.480 a chance we add some more? I got to ask 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.680 this question on Twitter. Simi Phoko, the wide receiver that 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.160 was drafted by the Cowboys out of Stanford six foot 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:28.120 four two and twenty five pounds, big long arms of 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.319 four four three forty. Is there a chance that he 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.120 could maybe be thrown as maybe like an in line 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.200 tight end at some point. He's a good blocker. You 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.480 watched him on film. He's decent. Now he's extremely undersized 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.919 for the tight end position, but I don't think that's 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:43.759 necessarily out of the question if you wanted to throw 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.520 some flexibility and modern looks into this offense. You played 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.040 the y you know that they you know, when I 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:50.560 was in at the end of my career playing with 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.799 Mercedes Louis, Mercedes was kind of the you know, the 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:54.480 hand in the ground type guy, and I was kind 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.200 of the wingback. Right that's when the Aaron Hernandez error 0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.480 was kind of kind of coming too a hit. I 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:03.160 could see him playing a role in that. But even then, 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.440 like I was still treated as a receiver, and I 0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.759 was two hundred and forty five pounds at that time, right, 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.120 So no matter what if you if you're if you're 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.600 looked at as a receiver, they're putting a dog, they're 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:14.720 putting over they're putting a nickel in there. So basically 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:18.000 off you're basically off the line of scrimmage, going in motion, 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.200 cut blocking on the backside, you know what I'm saying, 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.840 running flat route. Yeah, he could feel that need, but 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.600 they'll they'll they'll probably do it from a four wide set. 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.160 Um utilizing him in a four white setting, use him 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.520 in short motion, that's most likely what they'll end up doing. 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.760 So for instance, when I was playing in New England, 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.040 I was a bigger, bigger receiver, right, So I'll be 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.520 out there with Moss. I would motion down and then 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.120 I would chip on like matthis or you know what 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:41.960 I'm saying, or guys like that. You know guys you 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.040 know great edge rushers and you know, just hit that 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.279 and then get into a flat route. So because he's 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.360 a big, big, physical, you know, physically imposing, they'll utilize 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:51.399 him tight end ish, but he won't have his hand 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.360 in the ground. Ye's not buildozer. Yeah yeah, yeah. It 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.920 can't go back those guys to your point right two 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:58.640 And you said two hundred forty five pounds, that's what 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:00.759 I was. I was getting thrown out the club and 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.120 I was considered one of the strongest, you know, strong dude. 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.240 I was getting thrown out the club by defensi alignment 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.520 Like that's you just don't go in their clubhouse like 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.640 that's what they do. Like you come in here, I'm 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.560 no white teas in the club. I'm throwing it out right, Um, 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:19.000 I mean, I mean so so unless you go These 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.799 are grown men, and these dudes are getting more and 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:26.360 more explosive, more powerful. You know, just just in general, 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.839 were talking about d K two hundred and thirty five 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.319 pounds running running at ten three. That is insane. It's 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:33.520 no different than when you try to go out there 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:34.640 and try to put your hand in the ground of 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:36.440 two hundred and forty five pounds tight end, try to 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.040 go in there and cut block on the nose tackle 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.960 good luck? What is Noah brown Way? I'm going back, 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:46.560 come on, what's up with you today? No, he's bigger 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:53.600 than that. It's probably twenty five Okay, I saw it. Yeah, 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.720 so he's two inches shorter than Phoko. But we tried 0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:00.879 that already in the Seattle playoff. I believe he played 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.120 a little bit of tight end. I mean, he was serviceable, 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.719 but like Asaiah said, he's not going down in that 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.440 funk area. He'll stay out of there. You want to 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:11.840 keep him. I remember I remember getting a chip shot 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.080 on Dwight Freeney and like how that go? It went? Well? 0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:19.960 My my job, My task was what's the chip Freeney 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.839 on to our left tackle was a big, big vall 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.520 for New England. I can't remember anyways, chip him and 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.759 just like boom, buff him enough just to give him 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:30.680 an edge so he can get his hands on him, 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.920 because otherwise you can't. You can't get your hands on Freey. 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.239 He's gonna go task Manian devil on you, right, so 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:36.880 I get give a little chip on him boom and 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:38.640 I ran a little flat route and that's my job, 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:40.719 just to give a little right two hundred thirty five 0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.920 pounds receiver and that'll be his role. And that's his role, 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:45.719 you know. But then when those guys come looking for you, 0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:50.879 just you know, gett Yeah, did you see it? Did 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:54.200 you see that? Did you hear the shakiness in his 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:55.759 voice when you said, like, how did that go? Because 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.480 Jamie say he hit him down? And you get about 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:08.680 the club getting out of there. Uh. Kind of sticking 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.319 with semi Phohoko just real quickly before we take our 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.600 second break. I don't think this is going to be 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:16.480 I don't think it's out of the question. He's your 0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:19.000 fourth wide receiver and just kind of looking at him 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.239 and looking at what he could bring and where he 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.200 could be and what he could do outside of maybe 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.319 Noah Brown. I think he might be better than Noah Brown, 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.960 like right now. And there's a good chance that you're 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:31.480 going to see a lot of that competition coming up 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.200 in training camp. That's gonna be fun. I'm excited about that. 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.400 And you disrespecting some guys. Man, you got Wilson and 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:38.880 guys has been putting in work for centric Wilson I 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:42.000 would probably put but I'm talking about for that big 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.160 receiver that that why role that you're gonna see Phoko 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.160 and Brown kind of fight over. Oh yeah, they're definitely 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.239 fighting for the same same spot, no doubt, no doubt 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.720 about it. I mean that's when Noah Brown saw that 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.480 that draft pick come across. He should have known him. 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.520 This is this is a show on I gotta show 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.280 him my button. Not only do I have to compete 0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:58.880 at the same level as him, I have to compete 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:02.080 at a higher level. Now they have money invested. Yeah, 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.759 and both guys on one year deals yea. Brown Ann 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.759 said who But the one thing I would say is 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.600 you're right. I mean on tape. He looks like better 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.160 than a fifth round pick just based on his production 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.800 in college. But white receiver seems to be a position 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:17.560 that's hard to adjust to in the NFL. And I 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.560 know you try to do it from the quarterback position, 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.520 but even guys that played and throughout college. Why why 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.520 is that? You think it's all about systems. Yeah, it's 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.480 all about systems. So I don't only think I don't 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:29.440 think it's just a position in general. I think it's 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.120 about how the coaches determine how they want to utilize you. 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.799 And that's if you get in the right system, you'll 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.360 be a beast. You'll be an absolute dog in this 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:38.880 league if you have a coach who knows how to 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.840 utilize your skill sense. But if you're a skilled, talented 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.279 guy and you kind of get wasted because of how 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.239 they utilize you, you'll get buried and you'll never have 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:48.839 the career that you want. And that's why I think 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.040 Brown has a leg up because he knows the system, 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.120 you know, and he's been a pet cat of thisist 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.320 organization for a while, and so it's been a reason 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.640 why they let him stay around. But you're right, I mean, 0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.520 it's gonna be competition. But that's what we want, absolutely, 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.200 that's what we want. So a couple more competition spots 0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.240 that we'll talk about coming up in this third segment. 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.000 That's a great point though about Noah Brown because we 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:11.719 talked about it defensively, there's no allegiance to a lot 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.560 of these guys Tristin Hill, there's no allegiance to a 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.720 lot of the players on this defensive side LV Jalen 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.720 Smith because it's a new coaching staff. The coaching staff 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:23.080 on the offensive side is relatively the same, Yes, and 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.400 so Noah Brown does have some some some guys in 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.239 his corner in terms of the coaching staff. It'll be 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.000 tough for Phohoko to come back and play and Dak 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:35.440 yeah and Dac like he just he's a guy near 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.520 the bottom of your roster that just is always a 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.880 valuable guy to have you play special teams. He can't 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.319 block that positions when you get drafted into the fifth round, 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.840 what can you do on special team? Yea about We 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.040 asked Phohoko about that and he was all for it. 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.880 I mean yeah, but I mean, but do you do 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.240 you expect him to run down on kickoff he hit somebody? 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.000 Do you expect him to turn his back on kickoff 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.239 return run thirty five yards, turn around and get a 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.560 block on somebody. Is he gonna really put his head? Like? 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:03.560 These are real questions, right, These are kind of like, 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:07.680 you know, make the roster question, you know, like because 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:09.600 it is one thing to say, Oh yeah, I'm willing 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.440 to do it. In no disrespect, I don't know the man, 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.640 but you know, when you get out there special teams, 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:15.839 like there's guys that you're facing, like that's how they 0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.759 make their money. So if you don't show up ready 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:20.560 to ready to play on special teams, you will get 0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.680 drug and every single special teams coach in the league 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.520 will see it and you will never get a spot again. 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:29.880 What is the biggest need for the Dallas Cowboys this offseason? 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:33.480 We're gonna hit that question number one, no, No, Top five, no, 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.400 top three, number one need for each of our four hosts. 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:41.600 Here inside the Star of the Dallas Cowboys offseason. 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What how about that indie face? 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:18.040 That is a it's Scott and Chris back there, Chris 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:21.440 is giving lessons. So I mentioned this going into the 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:25.200 break number one need for the Cowboys this offseason. And 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.400 this doesn't have to be a position, it doesn't have 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:32.399 to be a Chris is calling me out. I've got 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:36.120 to get a read. Whether you're listening to music or 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.440 you're listening to us on Talking Cowboys. 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You know how much 0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.160 I look for There was the exit, and there was Kyle. 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:27.320 I'm just exit, Kyle, Steve driving along, I had ways 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:31.080 on and everything, and I just didn't even look at it. Well, okay, 0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:33.320 so now that I've got to just kind of backtrack 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.399 quite a bit. You're a professional, you can am so 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:42.640 biggest need for the Dallas Cowboys this offseason. Kicks want 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.120 to get Yeah, you want to give it over here. 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.960 I'm not I'm not myself whenever I'm hungry. Um doesn't 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.680 have to be a need in terms of a position 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.319 it needs. It could be any kind of aspect of 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:58.760 this franchise going into rookie Manicamp, going into training camp, 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:02.560 and the future of this twenty twenty one campaign. What 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:05.000 would be your number one wish list? What would be 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.239 number one on that list? Isaiah? We'll go ahead and 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:10.719 start with you on this one. If you're wishing for 0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:13.400 something for this Cowboys team to find this off season, 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:17.399 what would it be? Continuity? Continuity? I think I think 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.759 these guys need to get on the same page. Last 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:23.239 year was everything but that and obviously because of so 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:26.080 many reasons, right, because of coaching staff, because of you know, 0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:29.840 personalities on the team because a lackluster effort because of health. 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:32.279 But I think that, you know, take all those things 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.280 in all encompassing. I think that we need some continuity 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.320 going into this season, um and I think if we 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.840 could figure that out in all aspects, right from the 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.440 coaching staff, from that, you know, the decision makers, the 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:44.560 coach of staff, to the to the three phases of 0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:48.759 the game, I think we'll be all right. Right from 0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.799 a roster standpoint, we talked about backup quarterback, I would say, 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.440 if they find another veteran that they can compete and 0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:56.439 they feel good about a little bit of depth there, 0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:00.600 that's where I would go. Isaiah's kind nuity. I'm gonna 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.280 build off of that and just say on the defensive 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.359 side of the ball, just a better comfort level with 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.319 the scheme, and I think they're gonna have OTAs as 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:10.359 far as we know mini camp, I think that will help. 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:12.759 There'll be some virtual components of it. I'm sure there 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:15.759 are right now. That's got to be more concise and 0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:18.520 efficient and the communications got to be better from the 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.680 coaching staff to the players. If they get that, then 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:22.239 you get into training camp and I think you feel 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:26.080 better about it. Last year, McCarthy said that the virtual 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.239 component of it was not good enough. They had three 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.239 weeks of training camp, no games, and it showed on 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.359 the field. Yeah, and before we get to heck Ones, 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:33.840 I do kind of want to add on that is 0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:37.239 because there's probably going to be a virtual component to 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.040 this offseason. If there is, it hasn't been already. You know, 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.360 there's been questions about what teams are gonna do. I 0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.560 mean lots of questions. But the Jets had their rookie 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:47.279 mini camp and the OTAs mini camp are scheduled, you know, 0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:51.000 and I think that that will certainly help. But even then, 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.360 I mean, for some of these rookies, are is everyone 0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:56.080 going to be in here? Is everybody going to be 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:58.600 working out? Yeah, that's what That's what the plan answers, 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:00.719 I think. So so that makes me feel a lot 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:03.279 better about that continuity. It makes me feel better because 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:05.200 if there was a virtual aspect, and there might be 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.040 down the road, who knows. The things change on a 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:10.120 daily basis in the NFL, but if there is a 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.600 virtual aspect, I don't feel as good about it because 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.239 I want that continuity. And Mike MacArthur even talked about 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:18.880 it in his offseason press conference well before the draft, 0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:21.160 he said, usually we would go out to dinner and 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:22.880 we'd go do this, we'd go do that, we'd have 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:26.600 all of these team building activities, and whenever you don't 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:28.560 have those, you don't realize how much you miss them. 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.680 Whenever you go man, I mean, because whenever you're doing it, 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.560 you feel like it might be an obligation or it's 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:35.799 just like a minor thing. No, that's a big thing. 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:38.600 Especially with a new coaching staff. There's no replacement of 0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:41.680 time is spent together. There's just not and we had 0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:44.800 none of that last year, and for a first year coach, 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:48.239 it was literally impossible for him to build that. So 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:50.600 when you know together you're all wearing masks, you know 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:54.080 it's not normal and you know nothing about it. But Jess, 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:55.439 I mean, if you've ever been in the locker room, 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.200 ever been a part of a football team, you just 0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.200 know that. Then guys know each other in and out, 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.920 and it's that time that you spend with one another. 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:04.799 It's the trust that you have, it's the things that 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:07.680 you have on the football field, end game that comes 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.880 from those moments. And we had none of that, and 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:11.880 it reflected I mean you saw it, guys who are 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:14.640 just playing for themselves and not one another. Well, and 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.720 going back to the Jason Garrett era, I mean, Jason 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:21.120 didn't do it everything right as a Dallas Cowboys head coach, 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:22.399 but one of the things I think he did well 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.359 was kind of established that continuity. You remember the All 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.640 or Nothing TV show that the Cowboys had that documentary 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:32.400 on Amazon or whatever. So after every meeting, what do 0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:34.440 they do? They started like hugging each other and kind 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:36.319 of like dapping each other up and just having that 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:38.759 like camaraderie and that brotherhood and that kind of feel. 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:46.200 You don't have any of that, any of that, you know, 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.359 you don't have that though at this point. And I'm 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:51.600 not saying that's gonna be like, oh, we're gonna go 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:55.040 from six wins to a super Bowl because we climb 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.160 to say it, say it, say so super Bowl. Not 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.160 what I'm saying, but I'm saying like something like that 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.720 would help with continuity and like that quality time together 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:05.880 is something of the Cowboys. I mean QT, I mean 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.080 no different than us being here in the studio together. Yeah, 0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:10.520 there's things that we will we will continue to get 0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:15.160 better at, right understanding nonverbal cues, right, you know, understand 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.799 pretty you know how we how we transition into certain topics, right, 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:20.560 all those type of things, right, you can only get 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.160 that when you're around here, when you're a person. So 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:26.200 just like that. You know, it's even more so when 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:28.080 it comes to the locker room. All right, heck, what's 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:31.319 your number one need? Man? You know, you look at 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.560 the roster even right now, it's one of the most 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:36.840 talented rosters in the NFL. We got all the players, 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:38.719 even the draft. We look at what we bought in 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:42.239 with Parsons Joseph and you see the talent there. But 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:46.800 that my thing is attitude. I want to see this 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:50.640 team with an attitude, gritty And that's what I mean. 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:52.760 You look at if you just look at around the league, 0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:56.040 at teams like Baltimore and just their culture and what 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:59.200 they are about. We talked about Seattle, what they are about, 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.680 who they are are, gritty and the attitude. Last year 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:04.560 we didn't have that. And I can just go back 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.000 to the Washington football We talked about when Andy Dalton 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.120 went down, no one ran to Andy Dalton, no one 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.879 you know, tipped over a gatorad bucket, no one got 0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:16.200 ejected from the game something. I mean, your quarterback just 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:19.960 got destroyed. But those are just little things that I 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:22.239 think that this this squad is missing. And I know 0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:25.000 that the football purists will say, oh, that don't count 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.080 for nothing. But if you get out there and you 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.319 you're getting drugged by thirty and you don't have one 0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.439 guy to stand up and say, you know, get up, 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.719 you know, get the attitude, bring it back. You just 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:37.920 paying to that Baltimore game when we were getting to 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.799 blow the doors blown off and they paying to the 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.799 sideline and it was the most disgusting scene seeing our 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:47.320 guys sit there on the bench just deflated. They had nothing. 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:49.400 So we got to bring that back. I wonder how 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.880 much Parsons can add to that, even as a rookie, 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:55.040 because he's got that edge to him. And that's why, 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.680 like you know, we've debated that position. But if he 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:02.399 got that corner too, Joseph team, but if he both 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:05.120 of them, But but Parsons in particular has really has 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.160 brought that edge when he's been at Penn State. And 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.080 so even as a rookie, if he could bring some 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:11.280 of that, It's kind of like when in twenty sixteen 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:14.719 Zeke brought like a physicality and an edge to the 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:17.080 offense that really rubbed off on everybody was like, man, 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.439 this guy is And I think the example too that too, 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.120 that that maybe this rookie class can add some of that. No, 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.480 and I'm I'm going back and digging into crates on this, 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:29.480 but do you think about when Michael Irvin was was 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.720 drafted in eighty eight where the Cowboys were from eighty 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:36.200 seven to eighty eight, he bought that attitude too. I mean, 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.040 although it was a one in fifteen season, but still 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:43.239 you knew with Michael Larvin and his attitude and what 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:44.960 he was his work ethic that he was going to 0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:48.040 bring every day. Guys had to match that. And that 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:51.480 was the championship quality just late. That was the brickwork 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.640 right to lay that foundation to build a championship team. 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:56.920 And if Michael Parsons, like you said, he's gonna come 0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:59.319 in with that bulls out on his back anyway, but 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.280 if he can come I'm in with that work ethic 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.640 and attitude and say, look the buck stops now, this 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:06.920 is what we're gonna get it. How many players can 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.440 you guys name last year that played with an edge? 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:14.879 How many? How many guys I mean offensively, you could 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.719 do something. I mean, as he and Dak, I would say, 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:22.160 play with an edge, Zack Martin, that's fine. But on 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:27.000 the defensive side, what Tank? Maybe some games and I 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.360 think Tank, even Tank was a little lost in the weeds. 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:32.160 I mean it was. It wasn't good either way for 0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:33.640 any of it. But I don't think I can I 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:37.279 can honestly say that this one guy bought that. Would 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.560 you say, maybe Randy Gregory was does he quote unquote 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:43.160 play with an edge? I don't feel like we had that. 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:46.800 When I when I think about edge, I think about 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.279 rosters that you're almost on the edge of your seat, Like, please, 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.359 don't get a personal foul. Like you know what I'm saying, 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.520 Like like you know, like like like you want that 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:56.960 feeling a little bit, you want that like okay, Like 0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.560 I want you to go up to the mine wants 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:01.520 you to go to the end of the whistle, not 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:02.880 to the whistle. I need you going to the end 0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.239 of the whistle. I need my office alignment. Dragon dudes 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:06.759 through the ground, you think I when I think about 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:08.520 office alignment, I think about the center from Tampa Bay. 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:10.480 I'm sorry I don't know his name, but he nasty. 0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:12.920 He's gonna he's gonna drag me. He's gonna drag I mean, 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.040 he's gonna try to embarrass you. And if you show frustration, 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.080 he's gonna hype him up. Right, he wants to embarrass 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:19.800 the crap out of you. Think about defensive alignment, who's 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:23.919 who's just nasty? And the Seattle defenses under Quinn were 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.680 like that, and then there's Hall of Fame talent there. 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.040 But man, there was there was a swag and an 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:32.320 attitude in the edge. And I mean Aaron Donald looking forward, 0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.919 Aaron Donald for sure, Aaron Donald. Yeah, Aaron Donald's gonna 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:38.160 play hard. He's gonna play hard. You know you're gonna 0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:39.800 get that. But when I'm talking, I'm talking about like 0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:43.280 that somebody might but he might punch you. Yeah, I'm 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:45.080 talking a little bit of a screw. I want a 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.960 little bit of a screw loose like yeah, like like 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.360 like Sue, you just you never know what's gonna happen. Yeah, right, 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.560 you're like old old suit, not new Sue, like the 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:54.800 old Sue Like you just you just never know, right, 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:56.200 you just I mean he's gonna hit you, and then 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.320 like what's he gonna do after the play, you know, 0:57:58.440 --> 0:57:59.880 like I want that, but I want that to go 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.000 through the whole defense. You think about cornerbacks like like 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.040 to league, right, like obviously he's out the league now, 0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:07.200 but like you, that's what he played with. He played 0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:08.880 with that like he was gonna put his hands on you, 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:10.600 and you had to deal with him the entire game. 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:12.680 And when you showed him to the stadium, you're like, crap, man, 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.280 I'm gonna have to fight this due don't wear your change, Yeah, 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:17.800 don't wear your changing to do but like you want 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:22.160 that at every level of your defense. Ramsey MICUs Peters. Yeah. Yeah, 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.040 guys like just a little bit of swagger. I think 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.520 Chris put this in my ear. But Donovan Wilson, I 0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:30.600 mean he was close. He came, that's it. That's probably 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:33.840 the one guy. Absolutely he came with it. Yeah, that's 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:35.920 because he was laying wood. I mean, he's knocking people out. 0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:40.520 But he also was missing big too. So there's a 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.280 there's a given take. There's a given take to that. 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.000 You know you got, I mean, and and it's it's 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:48.360 an often used word. You know, guys played with that dog, 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:50.040 but you know, if you're gonna play with that dog, 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:51.960 it's gonna have to be one hundred percent all the time. 0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:54.160 You can't you know, we can't pick it. You start 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:56.720 the film and go wow. One of my favorite clips 0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.360 of this past draft class Seth Williams with the wide 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:01.880 receiver from a burn. I think Denver picked him up. 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:03.720 I can't remember exactly where he went, but there was 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:05.840 a clip of him against Mississippi State and there's this 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:08.600 Mississippi State corner up on him and he's talking to 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:11.120 him before the play and like just chatting, and Seth 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:13.120 Williams didn't even look at him, like not even looking 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.000 at the guy. And then he like finally gets up 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:16.800 to the line of scrimmage and he just burns him 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.080 on a fade route. No no double move, no nothing, 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:21.840 just straight fade route, beat him, caught a touchdown pass, 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:23.480 and then he got right back up in his face 0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:25.120 and was just yelling at him again. That's one of 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:28.280 my favorite clips. But you gotta it's a great representation 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.520 of both sides of it. You can't just talk the talk. 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.520 You gotta walk the walk. And there's anson that's a cliche. 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:36.360 There's a super big reason why that's a cliche, because 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:38.800 this Cowboys team even whenever they got to the point 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:41.240 in the middle of the season against Philadelphia and they 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:43.960 started winning a couple of games. You saw the energy. 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:47.440 But then you played a game like Pittsburgh and maybe 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.680 Baltimore where it's like, oh, where did that go? You 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:52.320 get back in your shell a little bit. You can't 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.760 do that in twenty twenty one. Media pumps you up 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:56.760 to when you're in Dallas too, you have a little 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:59.560 bit of success. You can't you block that out too 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:04.080 and into the negativity because yeah, because it's I mean, 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.640 people want the Cowboys to be back back, you know. 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:09.600 So when you have a little success, you know, maybe 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:11.200 you drowned that out. You know how I imagine you 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:13.920 when things are going well, Rob and you're writing your articles, 1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:17.240 you'd like, I'll kill my blinders on, put on my 1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:22.480 VARSTI jacket. He sees high school jacket. Yeah it's upstairs. Yeah, 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:24.240 all right, that's gonna do it for us here, I'm 1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:28.960 talking Cowboys. 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