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Speaker 1: triumph of another week of Dallas Cowboys offseason talk. The
Speaker 1: NFL Draft in the review mirror, the rookie minicamps right
Speaker 1: on the horizon. As We've got plenty to talk about.
Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about defense over the last
Speaker 1: couple of episodes, and deservedly so because the Cowboys spent
Speaker 1: eight draft picks on defensive players. But guess what, We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk some offense today. Change it up a little
Speaker 1: bit and talk about the offense. Glad you're with us.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's, Robbed Phillips, We've got Isaiah stand Back heck,
Speaker 1: my Harrison as always the world famous shirt. The shirt
Speaker 1: is amazing. What's that material? What is it? Lt is?
Speaker 1: What it is? A pack up? No, I got it
Speaker 1: from the pro shop. Man. You have to check it out.
Speaker 1: They knew who I was in the pro shop. I'm
Speaker 1: huge in the Pro shop. Bro, I've never seen that one.
Speaker 1: It's like him and BUCkies. I think it's custom. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of velvet painting it on something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't do to paint it on. You know. You
Speaker 1: know what Isaiah does do though, that none of us
Speaker 1: else could do. He ran the one hundred meters before
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, how'd you fair? What's your time? I
Speaker 1: placed fifth in pac tens? Which is U say that
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough? But I ran a ten four
Speaker 1: ten four. Let me ask you this, what is it
Speaker 1: with wide receivers in this confidence that makes y'all believe
Speaker 1: that you could just walk out on the track and well,
Speaker 1: to be fair, I was. I was a quarterback at
Speaker 1: the time. Heck, oh, my bad, bad, my bad, starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, not to say I was a
Speaker 1: fast quarterback in the nation, but anyway, just a double back.
Speaker 1: M No, I mean I admire and I recognize. Um,
Speaker 1: I acknowledge what Decay did. UM I respected, I respected.
Speaker 1: He's faster than I was at that time. I can
Speaker 1: tell you that you buy by a step or so.
Speaker 1: So as a large human being running against a lot
Speaker 1: of fast human beings. Um And like he said, most
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't do that. Most guys would not put themselves
Speaker 1: in a position to lose. You know what you're going
Speaker 1: to lose, But you're putting yourself in an environment where
Speaker 1: other people are better than you, so all you can
Speaker 1: do is get better. So what we're talking about. By
Speaker 1: the way, just for those who you who haven't necessarily
Speaker 1: seen this on social media, it's blown up on Twitter
Speaker 1: and it's blown up around social media. But Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 1: wide receiver DK Metcalf decided to run the one hundred
Speaker 1: meters in attempt to qualify for the qualifiers of the Olympics. Basically, right,
Speaker 1: he wanted to try and make the Olympic trials and
Speaker 1: that's what this race was. He ended up running out
Speaker 1: what it was a ten three six and three six
Speaker 1: and which is pretty good. He finished that ninth in
Speaker 1: the heat. That's rolling really good. And yeah, by the
Speaker 1: way he was racing, like you said, against guys that
Speaker 1: he outweighed by forty pounds, and that's what they do.
Speaker 1: That's where I was going, Yes, because Nick and I
Speaker 1: were talking about this upstairs. There's got to be some
Speaker 1: technique stuff involved. He is times of it doing on
Speaker 1: a daily basis. Right, he had the same struggles I
Speaker 1: had when you're that size. I think when I was running,
Speaker 1: I think it was two twenty five, so he had
Speaker 1: ten pounds on me, and he ran faster. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're that size and you're most of the guys
Speaker 1: you're running against number one and like five eight five nine, right,
Speaker 1: and these guys are light there there. They've been trained
Speaker 1: since since birth to run fast in a straight line. Right,
Speaker 1: He's trained to move grown men out the way, he's
Speaker 1: trained to cut right. He's trying to do all these things.
Speaker 1: So he has to work very different, very very hard,
Speaker 1: all right, on getting out on his dry phase, on
Speaker 1: his first thirty meters, on all the different phases of
Speaker 1: the race. These guys don't have to really, I mean
Speaker 1: they're thinking about it, but like it's natural for them.
Speaker 1: It's muscle natural. Yeah, it's muscle memory. So respect to him,
Speaker 1: man for putting that platform, putting that in perspective. We
Speaker 1: have the state titles, state tournament track me in Austin,
Speaker 1: there was a kid ran a nine nine. That's disrespectful,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Yeah, high school. And so I mean we
Speaker 1: wanted to just kind of give problems with because he
Speaker 1: caught a lot of slack on Twitter for what exactly
Speaker 1: this night. He's faster than Yeah, he finished night. That's
Speaker 1: probably why because he lost other normal human being that
Speaker 1: gets out there car and goes in a grocery store. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no way. If a pit bull got loose, he's getting loose.
Speaker 1: He's getting away. You're not. Yeah, that's that's the fact,
Speaker 1: completely agreed, that's putting it in perspective for real. Everybody
Speaker 1: want to if a pit bull got loosen, you're going
Speaker 1: to dug On grocery store, right, You're going to the
Speaker 1: grocery store and going to Groger's. He is getting away.
Speaker 1: Everybody else not me, No, No, I told y'all line
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola up against me, and I'm confident everybody else.
Speaker 1: I don't have any confident that a race. So what
Speaker 1: about your time? What do you think you're doing? A hunt?
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't even want to know on this
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen you do better than that if you're real,
Speaker 1: I don't really know. Yeah, you would have to. Can
Speaker 1: you can you beat can you beat CB? Can you
Speaker 1: beat Chris Be? Yeah? I could beat Chris Beam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I could do that. Chris Bean was yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. I don't crime you want to
Speaker 1: So you want to set this up or no? That's
Speaker 1: a no? Yeah, the violence, I would see it. What
Speaker 1: do we really have this conversation on Twitter? Jesse? Wasn't
Speaker 1: Jesse involved with? Yeah? Well we talked about a combine
Speaker 1: like yeah, between the shows, we also talked about you
Speaker 1: guys racing. Yeah, let's do it. I'd be down, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let's do it up on the Tostitos Championship
Speaker 1: plason and run a race. Do you need to start? Uh,
Speaker 1: let's do one clean and then then I'll try and
Speaker 1: do it head. Sorry, we'll do that. How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just destroyed me and then yeah that would yeah. Uh
Speaker 1: So going from more of a sprint to what has
Speaker 1: been a metrathon for the Dallas Cowboys, and that's trying
Speaker 1: to find a backup quarterback and at least over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, it hasn't necessarily been a place
Speaker 1: of confidence for this franchise outside of Andy Dalton. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess pretty much Andy Dalton was the best backup
Speaker 1: quarterback this Cowboys team has seen in a long time. He,
Speaker 1: of course, is now in Chicago going to battle it
Speaker 1: out with Justin Fields. Poor Andy Dalton going up there,
Speaker 1: and then they go and draft Justin Fields. But my
Speaker 1: question to you guys, and this is actually a mail
Speaker 1: back question that we'll hit the other mail back question
Speaker 1: in our second segment, and Rob you got a chance
Speaker 1: to answer this. I'll start with you, are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: confident at backup quarterback? Because they didn't take one in
Speaker 1: the draft last year. It took until after the draft
Speaker 1: to go and find a guy like Andy Dalton, So
Speaker 1: it was right around this time that's when you start
Speaker 1: hearing rumors like we did last week with Jeff Driscoll
Speaker 1: maybe potentially coming in, or he at least came and visited,
Speaker 1: but there was no deal made. Are the Cowboys actively
Speaker 1: shopping to try and find a veteran backup quarterback at
Speaker 1: this point? Yeah, I would say they are. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't. They haven't found an answer there yet, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if they will. It's not the same.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not an Andy Dalton just sitting out
Speaker 1: there who's got one hundred and thirty three starts and
Speaker 1: made three Pro Bowls. But I think they're constantly looking
Speaker 1: for it. Mike McCarthy said it a couple of weeks ago. Competition.
Speaker 1: We always are looking for that competition there behind Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at the number of
Speaker 1: starts that Garrett Gilbert has that been. Denucci has one
Speaker 1: start in his career and it wasn't great timing for
Speaker 1: him last year as a rookie, and then Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: has been you know, very minimal playing time behind Dak,
Speaker 1: and then you know behind any Dalton last year. They
Speaker 1: just don't have a lot of experience. So Driscoll did
Speaker 1: come in Friday. He's got nine career starts. No deal
Speaker 1: was there. It sounded like maybe he's got some options.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's good to get cut after the
Speaker 1: drafts your quarterback because the tea teams are always looking
Speaker 1: for more quarterbacks. If that deal doesn't materialize, I think
Speaker 1: there's still a chance there's another vet brought in, but
Speaker 1: I don't know who exactly that would be. And it's
Speaker 1: not a you know, it's not a wide field there,
Speaker 1: but he would be an upgrade in terms of experience
Speaker 1: at least. Isaiah, what would you look for in a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback here? Because I mean from somebody who's played
Speaker 1: the position before. You can always look out there and
Speaker 1: see the numbers, and the numbers for a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys aren't fantastic. Jeff Driscoll, Robert Griffin, the Third,
Speaker 1: Matt Barkley, Josh McCown. I guess Jamis Winston technically is
Speaker 1: still available, but he'll go back to New Orleans or
Speaker 1: whatever that ends up being. I mean, there's not great
Speaker 1: numbers along the way. But why would a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: in this scenario where you do have a Cooper Rush,
Speaker 1: where you do have a Bandannucci, and you have these guys,
Speaker 1: why would there be a beneficial part of getting a
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks? So you need a veteran, You prefer to
Speaker 1: have a veteran backup quarter the reason being because of
Speaker 1: the position that your team is in. Your your team
Speaker 1: personnel wise, is in a position that you feel like
Speaker 1: you're gonna be probably in the run for playoffs, right
Speaker 1: you should you looking at our roster, you would think
Speaker 1: that we would have a playoff run. Sure, So being
Speaker 1: that that's the case, right, you have to look at
Speaker 1: it in a situation or aspect. If we were to
Speaker 1: lose our starting quarterback, say the week before the playoffs,
Speaker 1: what type of quarterback do we want coming in here?
Speaker 1: Do we want a guy that's that's just a young
Speaker 1: talent that you know, who has potential, or do we
Speaker 1: want somebody who's proven, who knows how to handle situations,
Speaker 1: who has experienced and that doesn't need to do anything
Speaker 1: extra but just simply needs to guide our team to
Speaker 1: the finish line. So that's when I think about backups.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at somebody, Hey,
Speaker 1: week one to get hurt. Can he carry us through
Speaker 1: the whole season. I'm looking at hey, worst case scenario, right,
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt right at the right key point, key
Speaker 1: point of the season. What can this person do for us?
Speaker 1: And what kind of experience do they bring playoffs? Giants
Speaker 1: lose Phil Sims, Jeff Fossetler just comes in and we
Speaker 1: need to win a couple of games, he gets it done,
Speaker 1: that's it, and that's that's what you're looking for. Right.
Speaker 1: So as I'm looking at this list these free agents,
Speaker 1: I'm not happy. Um, you know, I think I made
Speaker 1: it knowing some some time back up months back that
Speaker 1: I was looking for Blaine Gabbert and you know, he
Speaker 1: went to Tampa. I think that was probably the best
Speaker 1: guy that we could have gotten, but Tampa wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: let that go. But a couch job for Blaine Gabbert. Chilling.
Speaker 1: It's been behind TV twelve. But I mean, if you
Speaker 1: just think about last season and you approach it from
Speaker 1: a crime crime scene investigative, put the blue light on
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks room and there were splatters up against the wall.
Speaker 1: It just did not go well for the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: Come on, God, just keep it real cowboys, all right.
Speaker 1: So it was, you know, we didn't fare well in
Speaker 1: that's when when Dak went down. And it's not like
Speaker 1: we were on a roll before Dak got hurt, but
Speaker 1: at least we started to see the game started to
Speaker 1: slow down a little bit in that in the COVID
Speaker 1: season that we were having. But you know, you make
Speaker 1: a point, you know, you don't want to find out
Speaker 1: what you have at the end of the season and
Speaker 1: you're trying to make a run and then guy comes
Speaker 1: off the bench and he's not what you thought he was.
Speaker 1: And so, I mean, for a period of time, especially
Speaker 1: after the Washington football team game when Andy Dalton went down,
Speaker 1: we were just at limbo at the quarterback position. And
Speaker 1: you think about how many injuries we had on the
Speaker 1: offensive line and all of that. It's just relative to
Speaker 1: the fact that there wasn't going to be any success
Speaker 1: either way, right, and so you got to kind of
Speaker 1: shore up that position. And whether we stayed with Gilbert,
Speaker 1: which he has experiences, experience and starts as one or
Speaker 1: two couple, yeah, but not a lot. But I mean
Speaker 1: if you think about the position, the backup quarterback position
Speaker 1: in the NFL, I mean, if any of these guys
Speaker 1: were in any position to compete for a one of
Speaker 1: those thirty two jobs, they would be on that roster
Speaker 1: to do it. Oh yeah. And it's not the same
Speaker 1: cap as it was last year where you know they
Speaker 1: slotted however million many million it was for Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: last year. And to your point, if Dad goes down
Speaker 1: for a significant period of time, you're probably screwed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're probably not gonna you know, you have to,
Speaker 1: like Jerry said when he went down, you know, they
Speaker 1: said they had to adjust their expectations. But heck made
Speaker 1: the point, like Isaiah's idea of Andy Dalton could have
Speaker 1: been that guy if everything else was perfect around him.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing was losing both your starting tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that changes how you play football. I mean that changes
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have the things you can lean
Speaker 1: on in terms of protection and balance that way. And
Speaker 1: I hate to use this team as a reference Archyle,
Speaker 1: but you know the fairytale story that the the Boo
Speaker 1: Eagles had with Nick Foles, right, I mean, WinCE goes
Speaker 1: down here, he comes off the bench and he only
Speaker 1: has a few win situations where he has to win,
Speaker 1: and he goes in and he does it. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not like he played out of his mind. He
Speaker 1: just didn't turn the ball over. And that's what you
Speaker 1: need from your back up. So that kind of brings
Speaker 1: me to the question of Andy Dalton last year, and
Speaker 1: we had talked about this previously, how the tackles were
Speaker 1: the biggest loss, and then Andy Dalton was kind of
Speaker 1: the one that had to deal with that, that heat
Speaker 1: kind of had to took that bear that on his job,
Speaker 1: on his back, because I mean he came in and
Speaker 1: of course that Washington game on the road is the
Speaker 1: one that sticks in my mind the most where he
Speaker 1: just got destroyed at the end of that game, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: But looking at a backup quarterback situation, now, I mean,
Speaker 1: the one guy I look at is maybe Blake Bortles,
Speaker 1: or maybe you could go get a Blake Bortles if
Speaker 1: you're wanting starting experience. He's got the most starts out
Speaker 1: there by far. I thought Jamis was back with New Orleans.
Speaker 1: He is, He's on this list, but when I was
Speaker 1: going down the list and I read him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think that's true. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's back, But Blake Bortles, Brian Hoyer, maybe I don't
Speaker 1: really want anybody outside of those two. I think I
Speaker 1: would rather ride with a Garrett Gilbert or a Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush at that point, or even Ben da Nucci. He's
Speaker 1: not a rookie anymore. He's had at least one look
Speaker 1: at a professional defense. So that brings me to my question,
Speaker 1: is is this Cowboys team outside of the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: Where do they need to find or what else do
Speaker 1: they need to find this offseason? What are those extra needs?
Speaker 1: Because you feel a couple of them, some offensive line
Speaker 1: depth in the draft, you got an actual wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Where do you see the needs lying on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the football moving into the ladder parts of
Speaker 1: this offseason? And I think you feel good. I think
Speaker 1: you feel good about Ezekiel Elliott coming back into the season.
Speaker 1: You last year, I didn't just let's throw twenty twenty
Speaker 1: away for Zeke because he led the league in fumbles,
Speaker 1: everything bad, Everything you don't need. And even in the
Speaker 1: situation like where you lose your starting quarterback, you expect
Speaker 1: for the running game with the star athlete like Zeke
Speaker 1: to at least carry you through some games. And obviously
Speaker 1: your quarterback is gonna have to make some throws. But
Speaker 1: I just feel like Zeke is going to be the
Speaker 1: key to this season, getting us back in the win
Speaker 1: column and just getting that feel good around here, because look,
Speaker 1: he has to have a bounce back season. I think
Speaker 1: he will. I think you will. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we addressed it obviously a ton last year. There's no
Speaker 1: running back inside from the dude by the name of
Speaker 1: Barry Enters that would have been successful without they're starting
Speaker 1: off as a line just matter. It's just not happening, right.
Speaker 1: So I've been I've personally been in that position where
Speaker 1: you know, some of your guys go down and now
Speaker 1: you're in a position where you have to create, right,
Speaker 1: and now of a sudden you're trying to create. Now
Speaker 1: things that were important, like securing a ball aren't as
Speaker 1: important because you're trying to make something happen, right, And
Speaker 1: that's what he ran into last year. Is Zeke is
Speaker 1: still Zeke, Zeke stills Zeke. I know he's working. I've
Speaker 1: been seeing some of the things. He's been looking good,
Speaker 1: and he does look good. You know, he's focusing. He's
Speaker 1: a competitor, right, and we know and one thing about competitors,
Speaker 1: they're always gonna bounce back. So um, I look forward
Speaker 1: to him having a great year, buddy. Everything on his offense,
Speaker 1: everything on everybody's office, depends on your office a line.
Speaker 1: I agree Kyle about the backup thing. I'm fine with
Speaker 1: them signing any anybody that's somewhat of a veteran, like
Speaker 1: a Drisco or somebody else and just compete. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe Garrett Gilbert plays better in training camp in preseason,
Speaker 1: but just get that competition to see who's better. As
Speaker 1: far as needs, Isaiah, let me write to it, man.
Speaker 1: They got to figure out their swing tackle situation. And
Speaker 1: I know they signed Tyni Seki, who's been maybe a
Speaker 1: little underrated in his career as a guy that stepped
Speaker 1: in and done a good job when he's needed to
Speaker 1: face the Cowboys with Washington and did a nice job there.
Speaker 1: He's been in Buffalo. They draft Josh Ball, but they
Speaker 1: got to figure that out because you know Tyrn. You
Speaker 1: know he's hopefully he's back to where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: But even when before this neck deal he was gonna
Speaker 1: miss three games, you know, where's your confidence level? They
Speaker 1: say they're confident. If they say they're confident, and the
Speaker 1: fact that they restructured his deal, that makes me feel
Speaker 1: confident too, that they're willing to push more money down
Speaker 1: the road that he's gonna be Okay, do I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna play sixteen starts? He hasn't done that and
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years, So you have to
Speaker 1: be ready for that. They're trying to be ready for that.
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe the answer is Zach Martin, you know,
Speaker 1: and they don't play around with that anymore and say, oh,
Speaker 1: two positions. What it now is that wherever there's an
Speaker 1: injury at tackle, Zach Martin's your tackle left or right,
Speaker 1: and Connor mcgovernors your starting guard and just fix it
Speaker 1: that way and don't mess around with young guys trying
Speaker 1: to come in and play tackle that they aren't ready
Speaker 1: or aren't good enough to be productive consistently. So still
Speaker 1: Steele was thrown to the Wolves last year. I mean
Speaker 1: the same that you look at the backup quarterback situation
Speaker 1: if you don't feel that way about Steele in the
Speaker 1: swing tackle position or Brandon Knight, and they fought, you know,
Speaker 1: but they're young guys against them, really good rushers in
Speaker 1: this division and they didn't have a lot of consistent success.
Speaker 1: So they did add in the SEC and I feel
Speaker 1: better that way. But do I feel great about it?
Speaker 1: You should know. And it's kind of like quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: like if you're if your cornerstone left tackle goes down,
Speaker 1: there aren't many of those guys out there, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if you feel great whenever you lose your
Speaker 1: guy like that. Tyni Secki by the way has not
Speaker 1: had a start since Week five of twenty nineteen, I
Speaker 1: believe is when his last start was, and he's had
Speaker 1: one start of the last two years, seventeen over his career,
Speaker 1: and he's played in eighty one games. So if it's
Speaker 1: a lot and is PFF, numbers are pretty good, pretty yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not bad. But if you're looking for a guy to
Speaker 1: come in and be your swing tackle, I don't know
Speaker 1: if seventeen starts out of eighty one career games since
Speaker 1: twenty twelve is anything that gets me excited. But it's
Speaker 1: a luxury. I mean, how many teams have a great
Speaker 1: backup tackle that just I mean, that's why Zach comes
Speaker 1: in my mind. It's like with Zachi play anywhere, We'll
Speaker 1: put him anywhere. Who do you feel better about cam
Speaker 1: Irving last year or Tynesski this year? Which is tough
Speaker 1: to say hindsight twenty twenty seeing cam Irving not play
Speaker 1: the majority of the year as well miss ten games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say in a SECU just based off hopefully availability. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have Yeah, I can't. You haven't.
Speaker 1: You haven't watched a ton of Dyna Seki tape have
Speaker 1: not goodness, Come on, what kind of professional are you know?
Speaker 1: I mean, the confidence isn't there, and I think Rob
Speaker 1: just kind of goes that that you have to you know,
Speaker 1: these tyrant Smiths don't grow on trees. You don't see
Speaker 1: these quite often. And we just need seventeen games this season,
Speaker 1: but it's been five years, six years since he's started
Speaker 1: an entire season, and even looking at Zach Martin in
Speaker 1: that role to move him away from are just gives
Speaker 1: me the you know, bubble guts too, because he got
Speaker 1: hurt at right tackle. So you know, look, the thing
Speaker 1: is is that we didn't do a lot in the
Speaker 1: draft in those earlier rounds to get what we consider those,
Speaker 1: you know, top tier guys. So we're gonna be relying
Speaker 1: heavily on the balls and steels and night and all
Speaker 1: those guys to kind of make way to be that.
Speaker 1: But you know, we've mcgoverned. We've had so many guys
Speaker 1: that we've drafted along the way that we have to
Speaker 1: rely on to at least turn you know the learning
Speaker 1: curve be there and see what they have. I think
Speaker 1: preseason is going to be very important to get a
Speaker 1: gauge on what the offensive line is going to look
Speaker 1: like us right now based off of last year, we're
Speaker 1: not confident and what we saw they needed it last
Speaker 1: year too. They definitely needed it last year that preseason.
Speaker 1: And maybe Josh Ball turns out to be Doug Free.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy that gets drafted the middle rounds
Speaker 1: and Isaiah's teammate and it turns out to be a
Speaker 1: veteran for ten years. Who knows, but right now, you
Speaker 1: know it just it's like backup quarterback. You just I
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever feel great about it. You know, well,
Speaker 1: if you had to choose between getting a veteran right
Speaker 1: now for a quarterback position or offensive line position, which
Speaker 1: one you go with? Oh, that's a good question. It's
Speaker 1: a great question. I think I would probably look at
Speaker 1: offensive line. I would because I mean, not adding one
Speaker 1: in the draft was a byproduct of how bad your
Speaker 1: defense was and missed first round second round picks previously.
Speaker 1: If Jalen Smith and Laton vander Esh played up to
Speaker 1: their potential of a first round pick. In a second
Speaker 1: round pick, you're not gonna pick Michael Parsons there at
Speaker 1: ten or I guess at twelve, but you're not gonna
Speaker 1: pick him there you're gonna pick for shats later and
Speaker 1: you're gonna ride because you have a little bit of
Speaker 1: a luxury room. You didn't have that luxury. You needed
Speaker 1: to go with the defensive player at that point, or
Speaker 1: at least that's what they thought, and they went and
Speaker 1: they took a Micah Parsons there because they missed on
Speaker 1: some of those picks previously. So I think I would
Speaker 1: still add a veteran offensive lineman because a tackle for sure. Okay, yeah, tackle.
Speaker 1: I feel decent about the guard spot with Martin Williams
Speaker 1: hopefully being healthy throughout. I mean, I feel decent there.
Speaker 1: That's an average positions favorite. Oh he's not my favorite either.
Speaker 1: I tried to replace him with Rashawns later for like
Speaker 1: six months. But I would feel better there if in
Speaker 1: terms of availability at the guard spot rather than tackles.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think tackle would probably be my
Speaker 1: priority there. If you're telling me, I could find another
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton to just have have him ready just in case,
Speaker 1: give me that, because I mean, I'm confident DA's gonna
Speaker 1: be good, you know, I'm not. I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 1: But in the event something happens, your season is just
Speaker 1: in major jeopardy, you know, in terms of playoffs, without
Speaker 1: your without your starter. And I think just das you know,
Speaker 1: his durability over the years kind of lulled us to sleep.
Speaker 1: And when we saw him go down, go down, and
Speaker 1: we realized he wouldn't come back, I think we took
Speaker 1: the glass off the button and smashed it. And without
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that was especially Isaiah's coming up. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know this may be the start of something, but
Speaker 1: he's just to your question, I really believe backup or
Speaker 1: the back. I want to be assured of that. And
Speaker 1: even thinking about the Super Bowl Kansas City, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a chance in that game because of
Speaker 1: all of the injuries that they had an offensive line.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's a little it's a
Speaker 1: lot of give and take, and you can't have one
Speaker 1: without the other. But I think if we had a
Speaker 1: little bit of a mobile quarterback last year, maybe we
Speaker 1: would have a fair just a tad been better because look,
Speaker 1: man Dag was running for his life. Nay, he was.
Speaker 1: He was. That's why people liked Gilbert and that one
Speaker 1: start because he moved a little bit. He moved a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know and had a little moxy to
Speaker 1: him a little bit. Yea, more so than Benda Nucci.
Speaker 1: And I mean Benda Nucci can move too. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got some athleticism too, but he just wasn't ready for
Speaker 1: NFL speed. He wasn't ready for that prep speed. Poorn,
Speaker 1: he just wasn't. Y'all gave a nick name Nucci Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried to pump him up. Let's just go make
Speaker 1: high school Kyle happy and go sign RG three because
Speaker 1: I grew up in Wake Goo, so second bar was
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, nah, go, I'm going with a starting
Speaker 1: I don't want a guard. You want to guard. I
Speaker 1: want to start in veteran guard over a tackle or
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. I'm going with a starting veteran guard. And
Speaker 1: then I'm putting I'm letting Cardin Williams get back to
Speaker 1: what he's used to. Mmm. Oh, you're you're not even
Speaker 1: worried about a backup? You want a starter? Yeah? Where
Speaker 1: are you gonna get that with the kind of money
Speaker 1: that they have, though, that's my question. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna be a discount, double check, discount, double closer.
Speaker 1: You get to the season, though, the guys guy percent
Speaker 1: off sticker on the on the flat screen TV. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what Isaiah's trying to look for. It's easier
Speaker 1: to find a veteran guarden is to find a tackle,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about. It's a lot easier to find
Speaker 1: somebody inside. It's true, bod, easier to find somebody inside.
Speaker 1: So that's all I'm saying. You just gotta find him.
Speaker 1: You might you might might have your you might have
Speaker 1: your swing tackle. Backup swinging tackle on the team is
Speaker 1: uh okay. So we've talked about offensive line. We've talked
Speaker 1: about running back. We talked about quarterback. No, no worries
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. We're pretty good there. What about tight end?
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Speaker 1: going into mailbag Monday here of course, on talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: to do it every Monday throughout the off season when
Speaker 1: we have a good question to answer. And this one
Speaker 1: comes from Greg from the great tropical city of Myrtle Beach,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Great city, by the way. Uh, seems like
Speaker 1: almost every draft site had tight End as a big
Speaker 1: area of need. I personally think we're in pretty good
Speaker 1: shape there. Obviously Dallas would have liked to look at
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts had he slipped a little bit, but that
Speaker 1: didn't happen, of course, but area of need, and you
Speaker 1: put that in quote marks, I think this team is
Speaker 1: much more important area of need. Am I missing something?
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily disagree. I saw the same thing
Speaker 1: on a lot of the draft sides, and I've kind
Speaker 1: of rolled my eyes a little bit, But you look
Speaker 1: at it. Blake Jarwin, He's not a guarantee. He had
Speaker 1: the half of a game before he got hurt last
Speaker 1: year and out for the season. What is he going
Speaker 1: to be like in his return? That's a huge question
Speaker 1: mark to me. You can rely on Dalton Schultz to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, but we also had very low expectations
Speaker 1: for the tight end position last year. He exceeded those expectations,
Speaker 1: but once again, it was a pretty low bar from
Speaker 1: the get go. So my question is to you guys,
Speaker 1: is tight end a little bit more of a need
Speaker 1: than we're thinking? Are we missing something here? What do
Speaker 1: you think about that position? Overall? I thought we were
Speaker 1: done with Kyle Pitts talk. I thought we were done
Speaker 1: almost conversations saying there's a chance it never ends. It
Speaker 1: never ends turning into Earl Thomas is what it is. Ah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could blame David him. I do blame David Hilmoth,
Speaker 1: and I think I think the national media got enamored
Speaker 1: with the idea of a splashy draft pick, Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: coming in just making this offense even crazier in terms
Speaker 1: of talent than it was. And I said, you know
Speaker 1: Todd McShay top need for the Cowboys on ESPN and
Speaker 1: he had tight end, Like wow, okay, dude, Like I
Speaker 1: respect his work, but like anybody that covers this team
Speaker 1: or watches this team on a on a close basis
Speaker 1: knows you can get by with what you got at
Speaker 1: tight end. Even if Blake Jarwin, everything we've heard is
Speaker 1: he's good with his react deep. Even worst case that
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, you got a guy that proved he
Speaker 1: could be a starter in the NFL. And if worst
Speaker 1: case goes beyond that, they signed another veteran Sprinkle, Jeremy Sprinkle,
Speaker 1: who can do it. You know he could step in
Speaker 1: him need be Noah Brown. Heck, I would put Noah
Speaker 1: Brown at tight end if it really came down to it.
Speaker 1: I see, you know, saw some plays from him at
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. I think you could line him
Speaker 1: up and do that too. He's bubbling up. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if it came all the way down to it,
Speaker 1: they they're okay, they can get by. Yes, we can
Speaker 1: definitely get back. I think I feel good about our
Speaker 1: tight ends, especially how we utilize our tight ends. That's
Speaker 1: what people need to understand. When you start looking at
Speaker 1: personnel on rosters, you have to understand it's not just
Speaker 1: about the talent. It's not just about what they're capable of.
Speaker 1: Like think about Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is a receiving
Speaker 1: tight end. He's not blocking anybody in the NFL. I'm
Speaker 1: just no disrespect to him. I don't see him putting
Speaker 1: his hand on the ground and and blocking for for
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. It's just not going to happen. Um, So
Speaker 1: adding him on this roster does nothing because you just
Speaker 1: paid Jarwin. We have a we have a Pitts, right,
Speaker 1: we have a we have a guy who can take
Speaker 1: the top off. We have Jarwin, and Jarwin's gonna pay
Speaker 1: fulfill his role. Unfortunately he got hurt last year. But
Speaker 1: what we're gonna ask him to do he does well right,
Speaker 1: which is run right, run straight, right, run straight, put
Speaker 1: pressure on the safeties and I guess what, we got
Speaker 1: three dogs at a wide receiver that can that can
Speaker 1: get open. That's what you're asking the tight end to
Speaker 1: do in this system. Show to the heck of a
Speaker 1: job last year, obviously coming in and feeling in for
Speaker 1: it for drawing, But you think about the potential having
Speaker 1: both of those guys being able to come in and
Speaker 1: run a two tight set, be able to run a
Speaker 1: wing set, have those guys doing all kinds of underneath
Speaker 1: routes and things of that nature. They're going to fulfill
Speaker 1: what we're asking them to do. They do. They don't
Speaker 1: need to be you know, zach Ertz or any of
Speaker 1: these other guys out there, because that's not their role here.
Speaker 1: And then we bring into then we got Sprinkle. We
Speaker 1: got Sprinkle. South Bay Bay has his restaurant here, so
Speaker 1: Sprinkles here now, and you know he's gonna come in
Speaker 1: and put some hands on somebody. So it's about no
Speaker 1: different than the Parsons pick. What are we asking them
Speaker 1: to do at their position? That's what we're gonna put
Speaker 1: them position to do. Well. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: the NFL everyone is admiring, you know, these new offenses.
Speaker 1: And the Kelsey Kildel argument comes in because you see
Speaker 1: Kelsey top five and receiving from the tight end position
Speaker 1: their ability to maximize the middle of the field because
Speaker 1: they're stretching everybody out on the outside. And so you
Speaker 1: you admire that, and you say, I want one of
Speaker 1: those and we don't, and you that's what you would
Speaker 1: say would be the need. But we have so many
Speaker 1: receivers that can do so many multiple things in this offense.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I always worry about is
Speaker 1: how do we utilize our tight ends right now? And
Speaker 1: so even if we had a pitch, what would we
Speaker 1: do with that in this office, with the other with
Speaker 1: the other weapons that we have. What numbers could he
Speaker 1: post as a rookie that would make him significant nod
Speaker 1: another receiver. I think if he drafted Kyle Pits, you
Speaker 1: would probably deal one of the receivers. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what would be the next move,
Speaker 1: kind of like Atlanta's got him and Julio Jones might
Speaker 1: be on the move at some point. Maybe kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to when it comes down
Speaker 1: to the injuries last year, right, you know, Dalton shows
Speaker 1: to me, he showed up and we were not looking
Speaker 1: for him, and there were so many question marks over him.
Speaker 1: We didn't even know if he was gonna make it
Speaker 1: a new training camp once the belldozer came in and
Speaker 1: there was those were those, there were the questions, and
Speaker 1: he showed up for he did a lot of good
Speaker 1: things in blocking run blocking. He showed and that was
Speaker 1: supposedly quote unquote one of his weaknesses. He was giving effort.
Speaker 1: He I mean, he doesn't have enough weight in his
Speaker 1: in his drawers to hold his own in there. But
Speaker 1: he was given good good offseason. Maybe he can sack up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's little I know. Yeah, but m
Speaker 1: Jordan said about Kyle Pitts is he's a little lighting,
Speaker 1: little light, yeah, tight in and like that's that didn't
Speaker 1: Maybe the one gripe is that they don't have a
Speaker 1: guy that can do it all at that position, like
Speaker 1: you said, Blake's you know, he's a stretch of the
Speaker 1: field guy. Dalton did improve. I think in that regard,
Speaker 1: Sprinkle can help in that regard. Blake Bell was kind
Speaker 1: of their guy. But in this system, you don't have
Speaker 1: to be a jack of all trades. In this system
Speaker 1: at that position, you really don't, right, you need you
Speaker 1: need a guy to come in and have his hand
Speaker 1: in the ground and be able to run and you
Speaker 1: know what say we got. We put Sprinkle in the game.
Speaker 1: Guess what, I don't care if they think that we're
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball. Once sprinkles in the game, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We're either gonna run the ball behind him
Speaker 1: or we're either gonna have him sit in there, him
Speaker 1: and the Hito of Collins and block right and I
Speaker 1: guess but oh yeah, we got those three dudes out
Speaker 1: there that I can render routes all day long. So
Speaker 1: you're not asking one guy to be your savior because
Speaker 1: you have so much already. Yeah, Sprinkle's gonna come in
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be your blocking tight Yeah, you've got
Speaker 1: Shults who going to do a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: Jarwin's gonna be the one that will attack the hash
Speaker 1: marks and seems up the middle. So there's there's potential
Speaker 1: there with that, with the position overall, and I think
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the side end position, both of
Speaker 1: you guys made this point, and I think it's the
Speaker 1: best way to think about it. With the weapons you
Speaker 1: have on offense, you don't need the tight ends to
Speaker 1: be exceptional. You don't need them to be next level.
Speaker 1: You need your tight ends. You need sholts, you need Jarwin.
Speaker 1: You need sprinkle to just be adequate. If you're adequate,
Speaker 1: your offense is firing on all cylinders. And of course
Speaker 1: the offensive line needs to be good, but you're asking
Speaker 1: those guys to do to be excellent at exactly why
Speaker 1: you're Why did you pay jar one take the top off,
Speaker 1: because that's it. You're not because he's the most shifty
Speaker 1: tight end in the world back in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. He's got good hands. Because in your system,
Speaker 1: he's that valuable to you. In your system, what you're
Speaker 1: asking him to do, he's that valuable to you. And
Speaker 1: that's it goes back to our conversation last week when
Speaker 1: we start talking about the linebacker pick in the first round.
Speaker 1: He's that valuable to us because of what he's gonna
Speaker 1: do in accordance with the other guys that he's gonna
Speaker 1: be playing next to. And that's what you have. That's
Speaker 1: what people don't understan when they start looking at personnel,
Speaker 1: people get started losing their mind. All he can't do this,
Speaker 1: isn't this, Yeah, but guess what what he can do
Speaker 1: very well is exactly what this offense needs. But also
Speaker 1: a better blocker. And so I mean, even when you
Speaker 1: talk about sprinkle and look, man, these defensive coordinators in
Speaker 1: the league, if they see any weaknesses and they they
Speaker 1: come and study you, and you bring sprinkle in, We
Speaker 1: are you about to hand it to Zeke? We come
Speaker 1: in at you, you know, right away, and so you
Speaker 1: can't divulge what you're gonna do. So and so that's
Speaker 1: why that was the problem that I had with Bell
Speaker 1: because you know that he wasn't doing a lot even
Speaker 1: in Kansas City's offense as a receiving tight end. He
Speaker 1: was more of a blocker. So the way that this offense,
Speaker 1: the way that it looks on paper, it looks explosive,
Speaker 1: looks like we're gonna be able to stretch the field,
Speaker 1: really looks like there isn't going to be anything that
Speaker 1: we can do. But right now at the tight end position,
Speaker 1: there has to be another question there. Which guy is
Speaker 1: going to start the season. Yeah, if he's healthy, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy's come back from ACL so what you
Speaker 1: don't know, I think he'll be fine. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know about that, but it was so early into last year.
Speaker 1: I think his rehab is gonna be help me there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll see him at OTAs in
Speaker 1: mini camp just because that's not how they play do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just getting ready to shoot me down now we'll be
Speaker 1: talking about it this summer. He's got an insight track
Speaker 1: that we don't know about. Sixty three catches from Shultz
Speaker 1: last year. If you're if you're it is and if
Speaker 1: but if you're line is healthier, he's probably not getting
Speaker 1: those opportunities. Probably forty underneath. But that's okay, you know,
Speaker 1: just just be efficient. I would take what they give you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would rather have Dalton Schultz with forty catches, but
Speaker 1: have our offense firing on all. Who do you think
Speaker 1: who do you think Dak is going to rely on?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's coming back from an injury. Who do
Speaker 1: you that first read? Getting the ball out of his hand,
Speaker 1: not taking any punishment to tight end right, So it's
Speaker 1: important that that brings up an interesting interesting point. Now
Speaker 1: you mentioned this a minute ago, but flexibility is something
Speaker 1: that I think this tight end position has. Is there
Speaker 1: a chance we add some more? I got to ask
Speaker 1: this question on Twitter. Simi Phoko, the wide receiver that
Speaker 1: was drafted by the Cowboys out of Stanford six foot
Speaker 1: four two and twenty five pounds, big long arms of
Speaker 1: four four three forty. Is there a chance that he
Speaker 1: could maybe be thrown as maybe like an in line
Speaker 1: tight end at some point. He's a good blocker. You
Speaker 1: watched him on film. He's decent. Now he's extremely undersized
Speaker 1: for the tight end position, but I don't think that's
Speaker 1: necessarily out of the question if you wanted to throw
Speaker 1: some flexibility and modern looks into this offense. You played
Speaker 1: the y you know that they you know, when I
Speaker 1: was in at the end of my career playing with
Speaker 1: Mercedes Louis, Mercedes was kind of the you know, the
Speaker 1: hand in the ground type guy, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of the wingback. Right that's when the Aaron Hernandez error
Speaker 1: was kind of kind of coming too a hit. I
Speaker 1: could see him playing a role in that. But even then,
Speaker 1: like I was still treated as a receiver, and I
Speaker 1: was two hundred and forty five pounds at that time, right,
Speaker 1: So no matter what if you if you're if you're
Speaker 1: looked at as a receiver, they're putting a dog, they're
Speaker 1: putting over they're putting a nickel in there. So basically
Speaker 1: off you're basically off the line of scrimmage, going in motion,
Speaker 1: cut blocking on the backside, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: running flat route. Yeah, he could feel that need, but
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll probably do it from a four wide set.
Speaker 1: Um utilizing him in a four white setting, use him
Speaker 1: in short motion, that's most likely what they'll end up doing.
Speaker 1: So for instance, when I was playing in New England,
Speaker 1: I was a bigger, bigger receiver, right, So I'll be
Speaker 1: out there with Moss. I would motion down and then
Speaker 1: I would chip on like matthis or you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or guys like that. You know guys you
Speaker 1: know great edge rushers and you know, just hit that
Speaker 1: and then get into a flat route. So because he's
Speaker 1: a big, big, physical, you know, physically imposing, they'll utilize
Speaker 1: him tight end ish, but he won't have his hand
Speaker 1: in the ground. Ye's not buildozer. Yeah yeah, yeah. It
Speaker 1: can't go back those guys to your point right two
Speaker 1: And you said two hundred forty five pounds, that's what
Speaker 1: I was. I was getting thrown out the club and
Speaker 1: I was considered one of the strongest, you know, strong dude.
Speaker 1: I was getting thrown out the club by defensi alignment
Speaker 1: Like that's you just don't go in their clubhouse like
Speaker 1: that's what they do. Like you come in here, I'm
Speaker 1: no white teas in the club. I'm throwing it out right, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean so so unless you go These
Speaker 1: are grown men, and these dudes are getting more and
Speaker 1: more explosive, more powerful. You know, just just in general,
Speaker 1: were talking about d K two hundred and thirty five
Speaker 1: pounds running running at ten three. That is insane. It's
Speaker 1: no different than when you try to go out there
Speaker 1: and try to put your hand in the ground of
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty five pounds tight end, try to
Speaker 1: go in there and cut block on the nose tackle
Speaker 1: good luck? What is Noah brown Way? I'm going back,
Speaker 1: come on, what's up with you today? No, he's bigger
Speaker 1: than that. It's probably twenty five Okay, I saw it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's two inches shorter than Phoko. But we tried
Speaker 1: that already in the Seattle playoff. I believe he played
Speaker 1: a little bit of tight end. I mean, he was serviceable,
Speaker 1: but like Asaiah said, he's not going down in that
Speaker 1: funk area. He'll stay out of there. You want to
Speaker 1: keep him. I remember I remember getting a chip shot
Speaker 1: on Dwight Freeney and like how that go? It went? Well?
Speaker 1: My my job, My task was what's the chip Freeney
Speaker 1: on to our left tackle was a big, big vall
Speaker 1: for New England. I can't remember anyways, chip him and
Speaker 1: just like boom, buff him enough just to give him
Speaker 1: an edge so he can get his hands on him,
Speaker 1: because otherwise you can't. You can't get your hands on Freey.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go task Manian devil on you, right, so
Speaker 1: I get give a little chip on him boom and
Speaker 1: I ran a little flat route and that's my job,
Speaker 1: just to give a little right two hundred thirty five
Speaker 1: pounds receiver and that'll be his role. And that's his role,
Speaker 1: you know. But then when those guys come looking for you,
Speaker 1: just you know, gett Yeah, did you see it? Did
Speaker 1: you see that? Did you hear the shakiness in his
Speaker 1: voice when you said, like, how did that go? Because
Speaker 1: Jamie say he hit him down? And you get about
Speaker 1: the club getting out of there. Uh. Kind of sticking
Speaker 1: with semi Phohoko just real quickly before we take our
Speaker 1: second break. I don't think this is going to be
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the question. He's your
Speaker 1: fourth wide receiver and just kind of looking at him
Speaker 1: and looking at what he could bring and where he
Speaker 1: could be and what he could do outside of maybe
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. I think he might be better than Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: like right now. And there's a good chance that you're
Speaker 1: going to see a lot of that competition coming up
Speaker 1: in training camp. That's gonna be fun. I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: And you disrespecting some guys. Man, you got Wilson and
Speaker 1: guys has been putting in work for centric Wilson I
Speaker 1: would probably put but I'm talking about for that big
Speaker 1: receiver that that why role that you're gonna see Phoko
Speaker 1: and Brown kind of fight over. Oh yeah, they're definitely
Speaker 1: fighting for the same same spot, no doubt, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. I mean that's when Noah Brown saw that
Speaker 1: that draft pick come across. He should have known him.
Speaker 1: This is this is a show on I gotta show
Speaker 1: him my button. Not only do I have to compete
Speaker 1: at the same level as him, I have to compete
Speaker 1: at a higher level. Now they have money invested. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and both guys on one year deals yea. Brown Ann
Speaker 1: said who But the one thing I would say is
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean on tape. He looks like better
Speaker 1: than a fifth round pick just based on his production
Speaker 1: in college. But white receiver seems to be a position
Speaker 1: that's hard to adjust to in the NFL. And I
Speaker 1: know you try to do it from the quarterback position,
Speaker 1: but even guys that played and throughout college. Why why
Speaker 1: is that? You think it's all about systems. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: all about systems. So I don't only think I don't
Speaker 1: think it's just a position in general. I think it's
Speaker 1: about how the coaches determine how they want to utilize you.
Speaker 1: And that's if you get in the right system, you'll
Speaker 1: be a beast. You'll be an absolute dog in this
Speaker 1: league if you have a coach who knows how to
Speaker 1: utilize your skill sense. But if you're a skilled, talented
Speaker 1: guy and you kind of get wasted because of how
Speaker 1: they utilize you, you'll get buried and you'll never have
Speaker 1: the career that you want. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: Brown has a leg up because he knows the system,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's been a pet cat of thisist
Speaker 1: organization for a while, and so it's been a reason
Speaker 1: why they let him stay around. But you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be competition. But that's what we want, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's what we want. So a couple more competition spots
Speaker 1: that we'll talk about coming up in this third segment.
Speaker 1: That's a great point though about Noah Brown because we
Speaker 1: talked about it defensively, there's no allegiance to a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys Tristin Hill, there's no allegiance to a
Speaker 1: lot of the players on this defensive side LV Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith because it's a new coaching staff. The coaching staff
Speaker 1: on the offensive side is relatively the same, Yes, and
Speaker 1: so Noah Brown does have some some some guys in
Speaker 1: his corner in terms of the coaching staff. It'll be
Speaker 1: tough for Phohoko to come back and play and Dak
Speaker 1: yeah and Dac like he just he's a guy near
Speaker 1: the bottom of your roster that just is always a
Speaker 1: valuable guy to have you play special teams. He can't
Speaker 1: block that positions when you get drafted into the fifth round,
Speaker 1: what can you do on special team? Yea about We
Speaker 1: asked Phohoko about that and he was all for it.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but I mean, but do you do
Speaker 1: you expect him to run down on kickoff he hit somebody?
Speaker 1: Do you expect him to turn his back on kickoff
Speaker 1: return run thirty five yards, turn around and get a
Speaker 1: block on somebody. Is he gonna really put his head? Like?
Speaker 1: These are real questions, right, These are kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, make the roster question, you know, like because
Speaker 1: it is one thing to say, Oh yeah, I'm willing
Speaker 1: to do it. In no disrespect, I don't know the man,
Speaker 1: but you know, when you get out there special teams,
Speaker 1: like there's guys that you're facing, like that's how they
Speaker 1: make their money. So if you don't show up ready
Speaker 1: to ready to play on special teams, you will get
Speaker 1: drug and every single special teams coach in the league
Speaker 1: will see it and you will never get a spot again.
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Speaker 1: is giving lessons. So I mentioned this going into the
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Speaker 1: So now that I've said that, and we've got to
Speaker 1: keep going, I can do reads at the end of
Speaker 1: the wow you see that? Oh yeah, I'm all thrown off. Heck,
Speaker 1: but what do they sound like? Rookie manicamp starts on
Speaker 1: Friday and it starts like a siving in my head
Speaker 1: face right by the boys. That's crazy. Crazy. You try
Speaker 1: to help you. I try Kyle. You know how much
Speaker 1: I look for There was the exit, and there was Kyle.
Speaker 1: I'm just exit, Kyle, Steve driving along, I had ways
Speaker 1: on and everything, and I just didn't even look at it. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so now that I've got to just kind of backtrack
Speaker 1: quite a bit. You're a professional, you can am so
Speaker 1: biggest need for the Dallas Cowboys this offseason. Kicks want
Speaker 1: to get Yeah, you want to give it over here.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not myself whenever I'm hungry. Um doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be a need in terms of a position
Speaker 1: it needs. It could be any kind of aspect of
Speaker 1: this franchise going into rookie Manicamp, going into training camp,
Speaker 1: and the future of this twenty twenty one campaign. What
Speaker 1: would be your number one wish list? What would be
Speaker 1: number one on that list? Isaiah? We'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: start with you on this one. If you're wishing for
Speaker 1: something for this Cowboys team to find this off season,
Speaker 1: what would it be? Continuity? Continuity? I think I think
Speaker 1: these guys need to get on the same page. Last
Speaker 1: year was everything but that and obviously because of so
Speaker 1: many reasons, right, because of coaching staff, because of you know,
Speaker 1: personalities on the team because a lackluster effort because of health.
Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, take all those things
Speaker 1: in all encompassing. I think that we need some continuity
Speaker 1: going into this season, um and I think if we
Speaker 1: could figure that out in all aspects, right from the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, from that, you know, the decision makers, the
Speaker 1: coach of staff, to the to the three phases of
Speaker 1: the game, I think we'll be all right. Right from
Speaker 1: a roster standpoint, we talked about backup quarterback, I would say,
Speaker 1: if they find another veteran that they can compete and
Speaker 1: they feel good about a little bit of depth there,
Speaker 1: that's where I would go. Isaiah's kind nuity. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: build off of that and just say on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, just a better comfort level with
Speaker 1: the scheme, and I think they're gonna have OTAs as
Speaker 1: far as we know mini camp, I think that will help.
Speaker 1: There'll be some virtual components of it. I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are right now. That's got to be more concise and
Speaker 1: efficient and the communications got to be better from the
Speaker 1: coaching staff to the players. If they get that, then
Speaker 1: you get into training camp and I think you feel
Speaker 1: better about it. Last year, McCarthy said that the virtual
Speaker 1: component of it was not good enough. They had three
Speaker 1: weeks of training camp, no games, and it showed on
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, and before we get to heck Ones,
Speaker 1: I do kind of want to add on that is
Speaker 1: because there's probably going to be a virtual component to
Speaker 1: this offseason. If there is, it hasn't been already. You know,
Speaker 1: there's been questions about what teams are gonna do. I
Speaker 1: mean lots of questions. But the Jets had their rookie
Speaker 1: mini camp and the OTAs mini camp are scheduled, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think that that will certainly help. But even then,
Speaker 1: I mean, for some of these rookies, are is everyone
Speaker 1: going to be in here? Is everybody going to be
Speaker 1: working out? Yeah, that's what That's what the plan answers,
Speaker 1: I think. So so that makes me feel a lot
Speaker 1: better about that continuity. It makes me feel better because
Speaker 1: if there was a virtual aspect, and there might be
Speaker 1: down the road, who knows. The things change on a
Speaker 1: daily basis in the NFL, but if there is a
Speaker 1: virtual aspect, I don't feel as good about it because
Speaker 1: I want that continuity. And Mike MacArthur even talked about
Speaker 1: it in his offseason press conference well before the draft,
Speaker 1: he said, usually we would go out to dinner and
Speaker 1: we'd go do this, we'd go do that, we'd have
Speaker 1: all of these team building activities, and whenever you don't
Speaker 1: have those, you don't realize how much you miss them.
Speaker 1: Whenever you go man, I mean, because whenever you're doing it,
Speaker 1: you feel like it might be an obligation or it's
Speaker 1: just like a minor thing. No, that's a big thing.
Speaker 1: Especially with a new coaching staff. There's no replacement of
Speaker 1: time is spent together. There's just not and we had
Speaker 1: none of that last year, and for a first year coach,
Speaker 1: it was literally impossible for him to build that. So
Speaker 1: when you know together you're all wearing masks, you know
Speaker 1: it's not normal and you know nothing about it. But Jess,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've ever been in the locker room,
Speaker 1: ever been a part of a football team, you just
Speaker 1: know that. Then guys know each other in and out,
Speaker 1: and it's that time that you spend with one another.
Speaker 1: It's the trust that you have, it's the things that
Speaker 1: you have on the football field, end game that comes
Speaker 1: from those moments. And we had none of that, and
Speaker 1: it reflected I mean you saw it, guys who are
Speaker 1: just playing for themselves and not one another. Well, and
Speaker 1: going back to the Jason Garrett era, I mean, Jason
Speaker 1: didn't do it everything right as a Dallas Cowboys head coach,
Speaker 1: but one of the things I think he did well
Speaker 1: was kind of established that continuity. You remember the All
Speaker 1: or Nothing TV show that the Cowboys had that documentary
Speaker 1: on Amazon or whatever. So after every meeting, what do
Speaker 1: they do? They started like hugging each other and kind
Speaker 1: of like dapping each other up and just having that
Speaker 1: like camaraderie and that brotherhood and that kind of feel.
Speaker 1: You don't have any of that, any of that, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have that though at this point. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's gonna be like, oh, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: from six wins to a super Bowl because we climb
Speaker 1: to say it, say it, say so super Bowl. Not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I'm saying like something like that
Speaker 1: would help with continuity and like that quality time together
Speaker 1: is something of the Cowboys. I mean QT, I mean
Speaker 1: no different than us being here in the studio together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's things that we will we will continue to get
Speaker 1: better at, right understanding nonverbal cues, right, you know, understand
Speaker 1: pretty you know how we how we transition into certain topics, right,
Speaker 1: all those type of things, right, you can only get
Speaker 1: that when you're around here, when you're a person. So
Speaker 1: just like that. You know, it's even more so when
Speaker 1: it comes to the locker room. All right, heck, what's
Speaker 1: your number one need? Man? You know, you look at
Speaker 1: the roster even right now, it's one of the most
Speaker 1: talented rosters in the NFL. We got all the players,
Speaker 1: even the draft. We look at what we bought in
Speaker 1: with Parsons Joseph and you see the talent there. But
Speaker 1: that my thing is attitude. I want to see this
Speaker 1: team with an attitude, gritty And that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: You look at if you just look at around the league,
Speaker 1: at teams like Baltimore and just their culture and what
Speaker 1: they are about. We talked about Seattle, what they are about,
Speaker 1: who they are are, gritty and the attitude. Last year
Speaker 1: we didn't have that. And I can just go back
Speaker 1: to the Washington football We talked about when Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: went down, no one ran to Andy Dalton, no one
Speaker 1: you know, tipped over a gatorad bucket, no one got
Speaker 1: ejected from the game something. I mean, your quarterback just
Speaker 1: got destroyed. But those are just little things that I
Speaker 1: think that this this squad is missing. And I know
Speaker 1: that the football purists will say, oh, that don't count
Speaker 1: for nothing. But if you get out there and you
Speaker 1: you're getting drugged by thirty and you don't have one
Speaker 1: guy to stand up and say, you know, get up,
Speaker 1: you know, get the attitude, bring it back. You just
Speaker 1: paying to that Baltimore game when we were getting to
Speaker 1: blow the doors blown off and they paying to the
Speaker 1: sideline and it was the most disgusting scene seeing our
Speaker 1: guys sit there on the bench just deflated. They had nothing.
Speaker 1: So we got to bring that back. I wonder how
Speaker 1: much Parsons can add to that, even as a rookie,
Speaker 1: because he's got that edge to him. And that's why,
Speaker 1: like you know, we've debated that position. But if he
Speaker 1: got that corner too, Joseph team, but if he both
Speaker 1: of them, But but Parsons in particular has really has
Speaker 1: brought that edge when he's been at Penn State. And
Speaker 1: so even as a rookie, if he could bring some
Speaker 1: of that, It's kind of like when in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: Zeke brought like a physicality and an edge to the
Speaker 1: offense that really rubbed off on everybody was like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy is And I think the example too that too,
Speaker 1: that that maybe this rookie class can add some of that. No,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm going back and digging into crates on this,
Speaker 1: but do you think about when Michael Irvin was was
Speaker 1: drafted in eighty eight where the Cowboys were from eighty
Speaker 1: seven to eighty eight, he bought that attitude too. I mean,
Speaker 1: although it was a one in fifteen season, but still
Speaker 1: you knew with Michael Larvin and his attitude and what
Speaker 1: he was his work ethic that he was going to
Speaker 1: bring every day. Guys had to match that. And that
Speaker 1: was the championship quality just late. That was the brickwork
Speaker 1: right to lay that foundation to build a championship team.
Speaker 1: And if Michael Parsons, like you said, he's gonna come
Speaker 1: in with that bulls out on his back anyway, but
Speaker 1: if he can come I'm in with that work ethic
Speaker 1: and attitude and say, look the buck stops now, this
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna get it. How many players can
Speaker 1: you guys name last year that played with an edge?
Speaker 1: How many? How many guys I mean offensively, you could
Speaker 1: do something. I mean, as he and Dak, I would say,
Speaker 1: play with an edge, Zack Martin, that's fine. But on
Speaker 1: the defensive side, what Tank? Maybe some games and I
Speaker 1: think Tank, even Tank was a little lost in the weeds.
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It wasn't good either way for
Speaker 1: any of it. But I don't think I can I
Speaker 1: can honestly say that this one guy bought that. Would
Speaker 1: you say, maybe Randy Gregory was does he quote unquote
Speaker 1: play with an edge? I don't feel like we had that.
Speaker 1: When I when I think about edge, I think about
Speaker 1: rosters that you're almost on the edge of your seat, Like, please,
Speaker 1: don't get a personal foul. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like like you know, like like like you want that
Speaker 1: feeling a little bit, you want that like okay, Like
Speaker 1: I want you to go up to the mine wants
Speaker 1: you to go to the end of the whistle, not
Speaker 1: to the whistle. I need you going to the end
Speaker 1: of the whistle. I need my office alignment. Dragon dudes
Speaker 1: through the ground, you think I when I think about
Speaker 1: office alignment, I think about the center from Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I don't know his name, but he nasty.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna drag me. He's gonna drag I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to embarrass you. And if you show frustration,
Speaker 1: he's gonna hype him up. Right, he wants to embarrass
Speaker 1: the crap out of you. Think about defensive alignment, who's
Speaker 1: who's just nasty? And the Seattle defenses under Quinn were
Speaker 1: like that, and then there's Hall of Fame talent there.
Speaker 1: But man, there was there was a swag and an
Speaker 1: attitude in the edge. And I mean Aaron Donald looking forward,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald for sure, Aaron Donald. Yeah, Aaron Donald's gonna
Speaker 1: play hard. He's gonna play hard. You know you're gonna
Speaker 1: get that. But when I'm talking, I'm talking about like
Speaker 1: that somebody might but he might punch you. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: talking a little bit of a screw. I want a
Speaker 1: little bit of a screw loose like yeah, like like
Speaker 1: like Sue, you just you never know what's gonna happen. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you're like old old suit, not new Sue, like the
Speaker 1: old Sue Like you just you just never know, right,
Speaker 1: you just I mean he's gonna hit you, and then
Speaker 1: like what's he gonna do after the play, you know,
Speaker 1: like I want that, but I want that to go
Speaker 1: through the whole defense. You think about cornerbacks like like
Speaker 1: to league, right, like obviously he's out the league now,
Speaker 1: but like you, that's what he played with. He played
Speaker 1: with that like he was gonna put his hands on you,
Speaker 1: and you had to deal with him the entire game.
Speaker 1: And when you showed him to the stadium, you're like, crap, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to fight this due don't wear your change, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't wear your changing to do but like you want
Speaker 1: that at every level of your defense. Ramsey MICUs Peters. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: guys like just a little bit of swagger. I think
Speaker 1: Chris put this in my ear. But Donovan Wilson, I
Speaker 1: mean he was close. He came, that's it. That's probably
Speaker 1: the one guy. Absolutely he came with it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: because he was laying wood. I mean, he's knocking people out.
Speaker 1: But he also was missing big too. So there's a
Speaker 1: there's a given take. There's a given take to that.
Speaker 1: You know you got, I mean, and and it's it's
Speaker 1: an often used word. You know, guys played with that dog,
Speaker 1: but you know, if you're gonna play with that dog,
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be one hundred percent all the time.
Speaker 1: You can't you know, we can't pick it. You start
Speaker 1: the film and go wow. One of my favorite clips
Speaker 1: of this past draft class Seth Williams with the wide
Speaker 1: receiver from a burn. I think Denver picked him up.
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly where he went, but there was
Speaker 1: a clip of him against Mississippi State and there's this
Speaker 1: Mississippi State corner up on him and he's talking to
Speaker 1: him before the play and like just chatting, and Seth
Speaker 1: Williams didn't even look at him, like not even looking
Speaker 1: at the guy. And then he like finally gets up
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage and he just burns him
Speaker 1: on a fade route. No no double move, no nothing,
Speaker 1: just straight fade route, beat him, caught a touchdown pass,
Speaker 1: and then he got right back up in his face
Speaker 1: and was just yelling at him again. That's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite clips. But you gotta it's a great representation
Speaker 1: of both sides of it. You can't just talk the talk.
Speaker 1: You gotta walk the walk. And there's anson that's a cliche.
Speaker 1: There's a super big reason why that's a cliche, because
Speaker 1: this Cowboys team even whenever they got to the point
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season against Philadelphia and they
Speaker 1: started winning a couple of games. You saw the energy.
Speaker 1: But then you played a game like Pittsburgh and maybe
Speaker 1: Baltimore where it's like, oh, where did that go? You
Speaker 1: get back in your shell a little bit. You can't
Speaker 1: do that in twenty twenty one. Media pumps you up
Speaker 1: to when you're in Dallas too, you have a little
Speaker 1: bit of success. You can't you block that out too
Speaker 1: and into the negativity because yeah, because it's I mean,
Speaker 1: people want the Cowboys to be back back, you know.
Speaker 1: So when you have a little success, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you drowned that out. You know how I imagine you
Speaker 1: when things are going well, Rob and you're writing your articles,
Speaker 1: you'd like, I'll kill my blinders on, put on my
Speaker 1: VARSTI jacket. He sees high school jacket. Yeah it's upstairs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for us here, I'm
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