WEBVTT - | Ep 54 | Kickin’ It With A King! (feat. Carlos King) 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.360 Welcome to Reasonably Shady, a production of the Black Effect 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:17.799 Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Welcome to another episode 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.360 of Reasonably Shady. I am Gazelle Bryant. So what's up everyone, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.040 This is Robin Dixon. Thank you once again forgiving us 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.120 your ears. Yes, especially in the summertime, because you know, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.880 like in the summer, people go vacant. People are outside 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:35.559 outside traveling. Yes they are, you know, to be listening. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.479 Or maybe they listened to us at the pool, Oh 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.600 that's true. Yeah, or maybe they're you know, there's people 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.000 hopefully you're still working out and you're listening to us 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.120 on your workout or on your way to work, but 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.479 you're you're really not working these days. Who's working right 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:51.400 by the way, okay? But the traffic in the working 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.920 in the in the gas prices. So I saw something 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.960 on the internet about the gas prices in other countries. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.600 Oh they're like double as it is absurd. What is happening? 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:04.640 I don't know, but I'm gonna talk to pootin when 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:09.120 is okay? When when I need to look up like traditionally, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.720 So first of all, they said inflation is at nine 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.400 point one percent, which is like the highest it's been 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.280 in like forty years or something forty one years out 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.399 of control. When is that going to go backwards? When 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.080 when is that going to reverse? Like? How long are 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.520 we going to be in this? Because this is something 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.880 bad is gonna happen, but I pray not. But in 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.240 order for it to switch, something bad's gotta happen. Okay, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.160 can we talk like, is Russia still they're still fighting? 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.120 I don't know, but if they are about to call 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.560 poot and keep telling y'all, I'm okay. Anyway, alright, per usual, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:46.160 we're getting into our reasonably shady moment of the week, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.400 and I'm just gonna go right into it because these 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:56.960 kids are mine. You know what, Just when you think 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.920 they love you, they slap you in the face of 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.800 and you realize maybe they don't what happened. So I've 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.400 got to go out of town. And it's kind of 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.320 been stressing me at a little bit because I'm I'm 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.079 leaving them for longer than I would normally leave them. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.160 And I've been like all up in their face, jumping 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.919 in their beds, trying to be up under them, and 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.880 they're like, ma get away. So I'm like, guys, look, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.560 I'm traveling I'm doing I'm doing some things and I'm 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.600 really gonna miss you all, and they're like, Bama, like 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.440 they don't care at all that I'm leaving. And I 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.320 feel like my kids are a little shady. They're a 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.600 little bit too much like me. Yeah, but you know 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.520 when you're going, they'll miss you. So but but but 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.480 that is kind of like, okay, so was there a 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.000 time or how long ago was it when the same 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.400 scenario we would be taking place and they're like oh no, 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.399 and and they're crying, Well, I we we went from 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.840 tears I used to get tears too, oh my gosh, 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.600 I'm gonna miss you, and then wanting to like get 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.600 every piece of me that they that they could before 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.760 I left too. They don't give two stocks about me. 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.200 They're like goodbye. Well they are what sixteen and seventeen. Yes, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:09.200 Grace is basically putting up the deuces sign like peace out, mom. Yeah. Okay, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.240 so so I have so Corey's fourteen, so I have 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.160 like a couple more years, a couple more years, yeah, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:15.760 because he's still you know, I feel like a lot 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.440 of kids at fourteen are on re like that, like 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:19.959 they don't want anything to do with their parents. Corey 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.799 is still like likes me, he still loves me, but 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.600 he done much longer. Okay, well I'm sorry, it's okay. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.280 You have me. I know, I know Robin doesn't care 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.360 about me either, But do you have a recently shady moment? 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.200 I do. It's just another event kind of situation. I'm counting. So, 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.960 you know, you go to the nail salon, you get 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.600 your you know, your your mani and your petty and 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.320 the nails, like, oh, you want gel on your toes 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:45.960 and like usually I'm like, no, I don't need Joe. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.680 I'm just gonna do paint polish or whatever, but like 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.440 white paint chips. So I was like, yeah, let's do Joe. Okay, Okay, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:58.760 worst decision ever, worst because it really weakens your toenails. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.880 And so like my big like look at this, you 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:06.120 see this, Like it literally my nails split like deep 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.480 and not that it hurts, but it's like if you 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.760 just like play with your toenail, it's splitting, it's coming 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.080 off toails. Are we's gonna take a picture off her 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.040 toeail that we're talking about. She's gonna posting on her 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.880 stories because it looks crazy. I mean, but this the 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.000 piece came off, but it literally was like flipped up 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.600 that whole that whole piece was just like flipped up. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.040 So the Gael like really weakened your toenails. I said, okay, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.000 I didn't know that. That's good to know. It's good 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.000 to know people that said that's a good tip. And okay, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:36.320 And so this is the second time I had to 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.160 so this toe, my other big toe. This is acrylic 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.320 on my toe because the Gael weakened my toe nail, 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.520 you know, So when they so when I got my 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.120 nails polished again, and I had like a big split 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.960 in it right there, like, oh, well, we can't pull 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.000 that off. It's gonna hurt. So let's put a crylic 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.760 on it, literally crylic on my big toes. So you 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.720 got tricked into a crylic basically, it's what you're saying, Yeah, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.960 well it's just acrylic right here. But I'm I'm taking 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.000 this off, like I don't ship and now I feel 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.719 like I'm stuck, right because it's the summertime, right, so 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.279 I can't So if I take the gel off, you know, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.240 you want to let you give your your nails time 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.040 to like get stronger and and grow in but it's 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.680 the summertime. I can't have my nails, my toe nails 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.120 not painting. No, that one Dixon is not having now 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.039 he is not walking down the street with you. And 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.960 you tells the jack yes. And then when if I 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.800 take the gel off of these nails, they're gonna be 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.279 so we I don't know what to do. Let's stop. Yeah, 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.000 you stock you're stuck with gel on your toes until 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.400 you're seventy five. Let's tell like the fall until it's 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.400 time to like cover the toes. Alright, guys, we have 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.280 an amazing show for you. Guys, we are talking to 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.680 none other than Carlos King, King King. And if you 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.919 don't know who he is, um, and I have to 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.479 really explain to you who he is, you might be 0:05:52.520 --> 0:06:05.640 a loser. So it is reasonably shade sters. We have 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.800 for us to date a guest who really needs no introduction. Okay, 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.120 but we're gonna introduce him anyway. So he is what 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:18.160 is he robbing? Oh my gosh, the producer extraordinaire, Mr Carlos, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:23.000 kids of many many television shows. He's got a new podcast, 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.719 He's got a new nighttime talk show. Carlos Like, let 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.280 us get us right, tell us run down your resume, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:37.279 up everything. Yeah, you guys did a great job. So 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.080 you know, people call me the King of reality television. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:47.039 People or you or yourself. Oh honey, like Beyonce's bee Hive. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.280 I don't come up with the moniker. My fans do. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.960 Just check it, ye. So you know, i am called 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.919 the King of reality television, and I've been producing reality 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:06.239 TV for fifteen years, starting with the Real house Spots 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.320 of Atlanta, which was my first reality show. I'm the 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.720 first black man ever to executive produce a Real Housewives 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:17.360 franchise and paved the way for others. Hey, Eric Fuller, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.320 Eric Eric Um. I have a late night show on 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.880 own called The Nightcap with Carlos King that air Saturday's 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.280 at ten o'clock on the Upper Morfrey Network. I'm the 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.960 creator of the Love and Match franchise, which has Hunt's 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.680 Bill and d C starring Gizelle's best friend Money Samuel. 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:42.360 Podcast called Reality with the King, which is a shady, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.760 reasonable podcast. Like yeah, okay, so we're gonna start with 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.119 some ice breakers a little bit. Okay, this is rapid fire, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.120 rapid fire, Carlos Okay, you ready, Okay, favorite Colorady favorite 0:07:53.160 --> 0:08:00.760 color blue blue, Beyonce, Arihanna, Beyonce, Nicki, Minaja, Cardi ban Nicki, Minaj, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:09.000 Potomac or Atlanta. Oh, no shade right now? Potomac okay, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.160 and no shade because we love Atlanta and they paid 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.600 the way, yes, but they paid the way. But don't 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:18.040 make anybody man please. Yes, but Carlos King has said 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.920 Potomac okay. And that's huge, just for the record for 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.240 Carlos to say that, because we know that Atlanta is 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.040 your baby, you know, when it comes to producing and 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.240 when it comes to talking about the Real Housewives of Atlanta, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:35.360 it's simos. What's not simultaneous, Simo is Carlos is in 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.720 the equation. Okay. There is no Atlanta without Carlos King. Okay, 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:43.840 So so you know what, Carlos I. On a recent 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.440 episode of Reasonably Shady, I kind of went on a 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.880 rant about how I feel like social media has kind 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.479 of um changed the landscape of of the Real Housewives. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:57.240 Like we were kind of being nostalgic about early Atlanta Housewives, yes, 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.480 you know, seasons one through four or five, whatever, And 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.040 I was saying, I really feel like now because social 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.600 media is so prevalent in in you know, almost so 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.680 toxic that it has changed the way that people on 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.160 these shows act and the things that they say, the 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.040 things they do, the way that they look, so that 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:20.520 now you're not really getting the real raw person and 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.439 the things that they would really say and how they 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.240 were interact with one another. You're getting people who are guarded, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.760 who are worried about, yes, filtered, who are who are 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.600 worried about you know what the fans are gonna say, Yeah, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.720 it's been canceled dealing with the backlass of social media. Like, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.559 so do you agree with that? Because I was like, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.600 I really miss you know nothing, you know, it's just 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.679 when you think about it's like, wow, like you if 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.160 you sit and watch Atlanta season one to three, it's 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.280 so different than anything that's on TV right now. If 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.400 you watch Beverly Hills seasons one to three, it's so different, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.280 Like things have just changed so much. So do your thought, Yeah, no, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.800 I listen, I agree one a hundred person And I 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.560 produced the first episode, first season of the Real Hospital 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.600 of Atlanta in two thousand and eight, right, so I 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.480 was there when Ninie Leagus, Kim Zosiac, Chara Whitfield, de 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.719 Sean Snow Lisa Wu like, these women were the blueprint, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.439 and the reason why they were the blueprint is because 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.880 they didn't have anybody to study. They were truly being themselves. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:27.400 There was no social media. What has happened now, especially 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.480 when it comes to let's talk about the Housewives fan base. 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.160 The Housewives fan base who I love because they followed 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:41.840 my career. They're fantastic some of them. Some of them 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:47.760 are very toxic, and it's it's it's it's it's ruining 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.800 the fun of watching the show, and it's ruining the 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.200 fund of producing the show. I will say when I 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.880 left see the Nine of the Real Hospitals of Atlanta, 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.400 it wasn't around the time where I felt that some 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:06.920 of those women, we're behaving because they cared about what 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.960 social media was going to say and and and there 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.520 they come across very guarded. I'll gep an example. Deret 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.319 on Beverly Hills was iconic when she first came onto 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.040 the scene. She was interesting, she was fun. The fans 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.360 hated the read her first and second season, but I 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.120 loved her because I said, she's ballsy, she's brave, and 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:35.000 she speaks her mind. Deret is so boring. She has 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:42.080 nothing going on Twitter, ruined deret do not care about 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.240 the rented clothes that you get from the stylist in 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.200 the nine o two one oh the code. I could 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:56.040 care less about your alleged um businesses of you trying 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.120 to make over a corner of a restaurant and we 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.760 don't see it anymore. I do not care about your 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:07.480 wedding dresses you're trying to promote when I haven't seen 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.080 it all this season. Time outwards, time out, time out. Okay, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.800 first of all, first of all, we started this, and y'all, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.720 I don't think we recorded it. Carlo said he was 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:21.679 reasonable and zealous, shady. Let me tell you something. This 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:27.120 man is a shady one. Is he read to Read 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.160 like a new book talk and he wasn't done. You 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:36.319 interrupted him. Continue. Well, I'll finish by saying to Read 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:42.040 is the perfect example of how social media can ruin 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.880 a reality star who had the potential to be iconic 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.160 and and and that is sad. And that's why last 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.040 one I leave My Love and Match Hunsbill cast. There 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:59.080 four seasons, and none of them are on Twitter anymore 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.679 because they ain't said to themselves, I no longer can 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.360 do my job if I re comments based on what 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.200 these people think about me. So let me do, let 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.520 me do, let me do this. Let me continue being 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.360 great on my show where I'm asking money and not 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.200 care about what you guys saying on Twitter dot com. Yeah, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.560 and you know that's me and Robin's story. I know, 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.920 you know we don't play around with the Twitter. Um. Now, 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.880 I do have a question because you and I were 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.959 on because this offended me a little bit, Carlos, some 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.680 little caveat out there. First, you and I were we 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.400 did this little e behind reality television or something like 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.920 the story of reality television. Okay, So in that you 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:43.040 talked about Ninie Leaks and the greatness and the bigness 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.680 of Ninie Leaks. Right, Because I'm gonna be honest with 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.360 the first time I saw Ninie on Atlanta, which was 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.960 like season one ap one, first scene there's Ninie, I 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.840 was like, holy shit, she's a star, right, And and 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.960 you in that interview, it I like you were taking 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:05.400 credit for for for Nini and her personality and her 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.120 character and everything, not her character, but just like her rise, right. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.840 And I was like, no, Carlos, you can't do that. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.600 And I took I took it personal only because I 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.199 am on the other side of the camera and I 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.480 would never want any producer to be like, oh I 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.360 made Gizelle, I made Robin. If it wasn't for me 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.400 and bitches wouldn't be ship like I would hate that. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.360 But to my in my defense, I never said those things. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.120 But continue no, no, no. So the question, well you 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.600 you kind of did a little bit Carlos, So the question. 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.200 So the question is do you feel like without Carlos, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.000 Nini would not be as big as she is, I 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.480 guess is the question? Oh no, not at all, not 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.520 at all. So let's let's let's go back a little bit. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.280 Because one thing about me, you know, being from the 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:56.920 world of journalism and my Porsche boys, is I remember 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.640 the facts. So when you and I both were on 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.800 UM I think it's called Reality rewind Andy Cohen produced it, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.120 and they when I say that, the producers asked me 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.640 questions about Ninie Leaks and the first day we met, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.120 and I said, when I met ninniele she was a star. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.120 I thought in love with her. She said, hey, bitch, 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.240 I said, oh bitch, we're gonna be friends forever, like 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.320 I love her. And what I did say which is 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:27.400 true is that Ninie will look at me and my 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.520 mannerisms and she would be like, oh, that's funny. And 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.480 she will always you know how like growing up in 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:39.280 the black household, how your parents would be like, just Zelle, Robin, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.440 go dance for the people, Go go dann go see 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.800 in front of the friends like this. Chris would come over. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.240 So on set, Ninie will have her friends over and 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.120 she was like, Carlo's come here. Do that thing you 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.240 did when you used to swipe your bangs away. And 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.880 I would be like, yes, yeah, yeah, I love it. 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:04.160 I love so in she started taking my manner rhythms 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.520 and she will apply it on camera and people and 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.000 people would be like, why are you acting like a 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.520 gay black man? People obviously say likened A's like a 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.240 gay black man. I was saying Gizelle that I'm the 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.000 gay black man that she was acting like. So I'm 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.200 glad we talked about that. But no, I would never 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.560 take credit for her success. But I will say this, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:37.480 and every great female reality star is great because she 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:44.640 has a producer. Oftentimes it's a gay boy oftentimes who 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:48.720 is able to pull out the best. And when I 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.400 say that, I'm not saying we take credit for no 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.760 more success. My my, my thought process in this is 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.040 when you look at Beyonce and Mariah Kerry and Jennet Jackson, 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:04.000 like these great reformers, oftentimes they have a gay choreographer, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:10.720 Like there's something about that relationship that happens. And I 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.959 believe the reason why Gil you are one of my 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:18.280 ten greatest houseplights of all time is talk about that 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.800 you're great on your own. Don't get me wrong. But 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.200 and I'm gonna stop saying his name because he's very private. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.560 But there's a producer who works on potomac Um, a 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.000 gay black man who is beyond talented and a genius. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:37.359 And I think because you have a trusting relationship with 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.119 him and and a and a key key that that 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:43.760 it brings off the best in you. But but but 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.280 by no means what I say. He's the reason why 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:56.800 you're number nine on my list. So let's get to 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.320 the list really quickly, because I have some questions about 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.359 this list now. Was happy that I made it on 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.040 the list. I was honored because Carlos King does not 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:09.040 give out accolades easily at all. Okay, we know that. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:15.479 So Kyle Richards was not on the list right And 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.960 that was confusing to me because I feel like she's 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:22.000 held Beverly Hills together for fourteen seasons or have a 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.720 long maybe I would agree with you, So then why 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.199 wasn't she on the list? She was not on my 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.959 top ten list right now, when I do my top twenty, 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:41.400 Kyle would be numbered eleven. I'm done. Car would be 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:46.960 between the love and OK. But but I guess the 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.639 big the bigger question, Carlos is you had Danielle Stop 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.240 on the list. No shade to Danielle, but Danielle was 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.760 a housewife for well how many seasons? At one point 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:02.920 two and for two Whereas it's like, if I feel 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.800 like skin in the game speaks volumes, right, Kyle has 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.600 skinning the game like no other and and every season 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.000 she has a solid season and she keeps that show going. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.719 So like, how would how would she be over how 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:21.480 would you overlook her to a Danielle style? Easily? Name 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:32.600 me one iconic thing that Kyle has done, Mauriceo. The splits, Carlos, 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.680 that's what we got. Let's plan it exactly. No. Look, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:41.080 I am a huge Kyle Richard's fan. I think she's 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:48.639 a great reality star Kyle Richard's competing against the top ten. 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.280 She doesn't hold the candle to a daniel style because 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.760 at the end of the day, and I said this, 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:59.119 and I and and quote me again, without Danielle, nothing 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.679 would have happened on New Jersey housewise, and I was 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.200 there the first two seasons and can say that without 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.199 Danielle the show will be boring. And no disrespect of 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.040 Potomic Ladies, but we can also look at a show 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.320 like Potomac and say without certain people, what would be happening. So, 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:21.200 because Danielle was on her own and Teresa at that 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:26.960 time was very safe and sweet, Teresa's table flip is 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:32.320 courtesy of Danielle. So Kyle. Although Kyle is good at 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.720 stirring the pot and listen, I think Kyl is great. 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:47.400 But when it comes to Niny, Bethany, Ramona, Teresa, Danielle, Giselle, Sara, 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:55.600 Kim Zelsiac, Kyle, Kyle is an iconic, but she definitely 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.240 is a formidable player. Okay, So I heard a rumor 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.639 that that because you worked on Erzy the year at 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:04.119 the table got flipped, right, Yes, so she didn't really 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:05.960 flip the table, that was you under the table flipping 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.119 it for her. I heard a room that that was 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:14.159 Carlos onto the table, and Teresa took all the credit 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:20.600 for Carlos flipping that table. So I was under the 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:22.960 table handy dang yelled the book that she placed on 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:24.920 the table, and then you and then you flipped it, 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:26.359 and then you flipped it because you said it's gonna 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.520 be good. I wish I was that. I wish I 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.000 was a little bright genius then, but I was that. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.920 Was that your first housewife show you worked on before? 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:41.199 It was that before Atlanta? That was after Atlanta? So 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.360 what's funny? And I did Atlanta season one, and and 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.439 I had a break for like two weeks, and then 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.359 I got a phone call about this housewife in New Jersey, 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:54.160 and I decided to do New Jersey. Okay, but you weren't. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.640 You weren't EP on New Jersey, were you? No? No, No, 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.399 I was in a gipping books underneath the table, Rabbit. 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.560 You're a field producer. Okay, let's be clear. Act on 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.760 Atlanta Girls. When I was at EP, Honey, I still 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.320 was on my knees doing something to make sure the 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:15.200 scene was great. So, so where did you start in 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:18.720 in your producing career, Like, how did you get started? Yeah, 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:23.840 so I went to college and I majored in journalism. 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.040 Because of that, I was afforded these internships. So I 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.840 interned at The View, I entered at MTV. My last 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.240 internship was at BT. A year later, I got a 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.680 job as a p A working on one or six 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.240 and Park and other shows. And then two years after that, 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.359 I got a phone call from a mutual friend who said, 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.399 I have this opportunity in Atlanta to do this reality 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:51.880 show called Ladies of Hotlanta. You love reality TV? Would 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.159 you be interested? And I was like, child, let me 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:57.960 think and because I was like, you expect me to 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:01.080 leave New York City and go to Atlanta? But I said, 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:02.879 you know what, I'm a man of faith. Let me 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.080 do it. And it was the best decision of my 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.880 career because the rest is history. Okay, so you didn't start. 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:11.879 You weren't EP on season one Atlanta. No, No, I 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.000 wasn't a p until season six of Atlanta, which is 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.760 the highest season. And we know because and Nini called 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:23.440 Peter a bit. Now I have a question, so, um, 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.520 because we spoke of you and people that have worked 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.560 producers on Potomac, who have been very influential in helping 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:33.000 us get to where we are. Um However, give me 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.280 an honest answer, Carlos, do you feel like do you 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:40.080 feel like because you are a man okay, and and 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.840 you're a man helping women tell their story, do you 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.320 feel like you can do it better than a woman 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:53.040 helping women tell their story? Is there is there disconnot 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.440 a disconnect, but you know when women, we know what 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.639 we go through, we feel it. Yeah, so I'm what 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:02.120 do you have the Yeah, that's a that's a very 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.239 great question. No, I don't think I have a um 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:09.560 an edge over a woman who's also producer. UM. I 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:13.760 think a woman who's producing a show that's dominated by women, 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.199 she has to be confident in order to be honest 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:20.240 with the women and not be intimidated by the woman. 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:24.160 And I think the reality star who's a woman has 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.840 to be able to feel comfortable sharing your personal business 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:32.960 because let's let's just be real. Historically, women don't like 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.919