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Speaker 1: have a bunch of lineups for everybody wants to know
Speaker 1: what they should watch this weekend, which by the way,
Speaker 1: is pretty much everything, as we have got a SmackDown
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Speaker 1: a mystery partner for Sting and Darby Allen on Saturday night.
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Speaker 1: we will talk to UH or we will hear from
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Speaker 1: Back Gonna Show. Brian Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Alive. Mike
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Speaker 6: Angelas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to l A. I get shut your.
Speaker 6: What's your love of LA in California? Is it? Is
Speaker 6: it a thing up there where you are where you
Speaker 6: just wanted to be from somewhere else? I mean you
Speaker 6: used you know, look at the theme.
Speaker 1: You used in What are you Wearing?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 6: What am I wearing?
Speaker 1: What are you wearing?
Speaker 6: We're in a throwbag? Baltimore, Colts Gino Markets.
Speaker 1: Do you live in Baltimore?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I did?
Speaker 1: You don't? Now it's kind of weird, now, isn't it?
Speaker 1: You want you want to live in Baltimore or something
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 1: What happens. I go places and I buy shirts. And
Speaker 1: I went to LA and I bought a shirt. I
Speaker 1: bought a shirt when I went to Maui. I bought
Speaker 1: a shirt when I went.
Speaker 5: All over the place.
Speaker 1: So I don't know the problem is. I don't know
Speaker 1: why everyone has a problem with me today, Like, what's
Speaker 1: the problem? The show hasn't even started. I'm irritated. Listen
Speaker 1: if Dave wrote something in the Observer that you don't
Speaker 1: like I talk about, what does that have to do
Speaker 1: with me? It has nothing to do with me. It
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with me. I didn't write it,
Speaker 1: I didn't say it. I don't know why everyone's mad
Speaker 1: at me about it. And then it was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, I don't know we're the
Speaker 1: same guy or something. We're not. Actually he wrote something
Speaker 1: I didn't. So if you're mad, get mad at him
Speaker 1: about it, not me. And if you don't like hearing
Speaker 1: about it, I don know why you're listening to the show.
Speaker 1: You know a guy got mad at me? That Ah,
Speaker 1: it's tiring listening to uh talk about seeing punk. He's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest stars and all of aw what
Speaker 1: kind of show am I gonna run out and talk
Speaker 1: about Cmpunk Jimminy Christmas, but you know I will talk
Speaker 1: about the Bloodline because the Bloodline civil War begins tonight
Speaker 1: on SmackDown. This is the build towards Roman Reigns and
Speaker 1: Solo Soca versus the USOS, So that's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: We have a title unification match. Were you aware that
Speaker 1: there's a title unification match tonight? There is the WWE
Speaker 1: Women's Tag Team champions. Rond De Rousey and SHANEA. Basler
Speaker 1: will be facing Alba Fire and Isla Don and the
Speaker 1: NXT and WWE Tag team titles are on the line,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because I'm not saying all the teams
Speaker 1: are great, because you know they're not. But there are
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, a lot of women's teams in NXT,
Speaker 1: and now they don't have NXT women's tag team titles anymore.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're gonna get a new
Speaker 1: belt of some sort in NXT or what this sleution
Speaker 1: is going to be. But we're unifying these titles so
Speaker 1: you know, we can set more records. Run Arousey and
Speaker 1: Shana will now be a double champions. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: they'll carry around a whole bunch of belts or anything.
Speaker 1: And then we got Santos Escobar, Butch and l A.
Speaker 8: Knight.
Speaker 1: In a three way, we have got Bailey versus Shatzi.
Speaker 1: The stipulation is if Shotzi wins, she is going to
Speaker 1: take Bailey's spot in the Women's Money in the Bank
Speaker 1: ladder match. And I don't know, here's the thing. Bailey's
Speaker 1: a bigger star, okay, but you know they don't do
Speaker 1: a lot with Shotzi. But you know they do do
Speaker 1: with Shotzi. They put her in ladder matches and she's
Speaker 1: not currently in the ladder match and Bailey is. And
Speaker 1: if you were going to do some sort of storyline
Speaker 1: with EO and Bailey to further lead to their split,
Speaker 1: I mean EO could accidentally cost Bailey this match that
Speaker 1: furthers that storyline, and then shots he can go in
Speaker 1: and fall off stuff, which is what they like to
Speaker 1: have her do. And then we have Cameron Grimes and
Speaker 1: Baron Corbin. And you know, I'm not a big fan
Speaker 1: of fifty to fifty booking or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: Baron Corbin's got a NXT Championship match on Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: in no universe should he be losing on the Friday
Speaker 1: before Tuesday, so Cameron Grimes beat him quick the first time.
Speaker 1: My guess is Baron Corbyn beats him here and or
Speaker 1: you know, you could also do the deal which they
Speaker 1: like to do, which is Cameron Grimes gets the win
Speaker 1: after Carmelo Hayes costs Baron Corbin the match to set
Speaker 1: up that title match on Tuesday. I hope that Baron
Speaker 1: isn't winning on Tuesday, but you know, I can't rule
Speaker 1: anything out. But that is smack Down here tonight. And
Speaker 1: the show's been on fire of late. It's regularly the
Speaker 1: number one show on television and I'm slot the Bloodline
Speaker 1: stuff has been adding literally a half million viewers, which
Speaker 1: is impossibly successful. So we'll see how it goes tonight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, nothing, all right, I can't no, no, look you agreed,
Speaker 6: I don't want to anger you right now?
Speaker 1: Or agreed? Do I look angry to you?
Speaker 6: Just as a addition to what we talked about a
Speaker 6: couple of days ago when he came to Seth Rollins
Speaker 6: and wondering if Seth Rollins was in the mud when
Speaker 6: he came to NXT apparently granted, I know it was
Speaker 6: an overrun, but I believe it hit about nine hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty thousand people.
Speaker 1: Eighty it was basically a million viewers watched the end
Speaker 1: of the seth Rawlins Bronze Breaker match, So you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the quarter hours, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it wasn't granted almost, but I mean the point
Speaker 1: is like it was one of those deals where it
Speaker 1: kind of goes like this and then it shoots straight up.
Speaker 1: That was the overrun for that seth Rawlins. And the
Speaker 1: only times that you see that are you know, Sammy
Speaker 1: Zay and the lead up to Montreal did that, and
Speaker 1: then Baron Corbin for his thousand Days celebration and the
Speaker 1: angle that they did last week when they split everybody up.
Speaker 1: Those also boom went straight up. So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was good stuff.
Speaker 6: Look for that again too. No matter what it is,
Speaker 6: no matter how corny it ends up being, if you
Speaker 6: think it's that way, no matter how great and artistic
Speaker 6: and cinematic you believe it is, whatever happens tonight, it's
Speaker 6: probably gonna do the same exact thing.
Speaker 1: What did he do for a thousand days? I think
Speaker 1: the thousand Days celebration was at two point eight million,
Speaker 1: and the bloodline Breakup was also at two point eight million,
Speaker 1: so they virtually did three million viewers for those two segments.
Speaker 1: So they were very, very successful. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was mentioning this on the Brian of Inny show last night.
Speaker 1: I the more I think about it, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with and obviously there's not only nothing wrong,
Speaker 1: but you know, as we're gonna talk about later, there're
Speaker 1: gonna be more main roster stars going to NXT because
Speaker 1: they're trying to boost the NXT numbers we got. You know,
Speaker 1: it's time to renegotiate television deals that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: so they want these numbers to be strong, and obviously
Speaker 1: when you bring big names down, the numbers are strong.
Speaker 1: And you know, this was the first time ever that
Speaker 1: NXT ranked number three on cable. Never if they ranked
Speaker 1: number three on cable, So they would love to have
Speaker 1: NXT regularly in the top five, top ten. Got to
Speaker 1: remember there were periods where NXT on USA wasn't even
Speaker 1: the top fifty, and they hit number three for that
Speaker 1: show with Seth. But the problem when I got thinking
Speaker 1: about it, was all right, well he beat Braun, and
Speaker 1: obviously they want to give Braun. This is the thing
Speaker 1: They think that Braun got the because he had a
Speaker 1: championship match on NXT with seth Rawlins and it was
Speaker 1: a good match and he kicked out of moves and
Speaker 1: he ended up losing in the end. But you know,
Speaker 1: they think he got the rub and you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe you did. But my thought is it was already
Speaker 1: clear before this match that there ain't nothing left for
Speaker 1: bron Breaker to do an NXT. He's done it all.
Speaker 1: He's even stated in his storyline, I don't want the
Speaker 1: title anymore. So you know, at some point he's got
Speaker 1: to go up to the main roster. And does anyone
Speaker 1: here think that bron Breaker has gone up to the
Speaker 1: main roster and beating Roman Reigns, Well, he's not, okay,
Speaker 1: But what you could have done is you could have
Speaker 1: brought him up to the main roster, debut him on
Speaker 1: Raw and had him, you know, smash folks to build
Speaker 1: up to a match with seth Rawlins for the title.
Speaker 1: But what they did was the Raw World Champion has
Speaker 1: already beaten bron Breaker, and so now what like, it's
Speaker 1: not like you can't build to it again. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could get called and eventually beat seth Walins, for
Speaker 1: the title and that sort of thing. But to me,
Speaker 1: I mean I would have had Seth beat him already,
Speaker 1: because I mean, what's the point, Like he's done with NXT,
Speaker 1: He's got nothing left to do there, and then he
Speaker 1: gets called up like the guy that he could actually
Speaker 1: you know, feud with for the title has already beat him.
Speaker 1: So I got thinking about it yesterday. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that was a stupid thing to do. But whatever, They
Speaker 1: beat people all the time.
Speaker 6: One thing's for sure is whatever they do, the more
Speaker 6: they can get that NXT number up. I don't think
Speaker 6: that they can really sell that as a viable third
Speaker 6: brand to say, you know, a third different broadcast partner.
Speaker 6: But what it does do is it increases all of
Speaker 6: the hole that they have over USA having that on
Speaker 6: Monday and Tuesday night with big numbers for that network.
Speaker 1: Backing them on with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper vv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Alive.
Speaker 1: Mike SIMPERVVI, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. Guy Goes,
Speaker 1: Guy Goes I can tell you see Broun going for
Speaker 1: the main roster, wrecking Allie and calling for a rematch
Speaker 1: with Rawlins and winning that feud. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: that there's no chance that Braun goes up to the
Speaker 1: main roster and beats Uh beats Seth for that title.
Speaker 1: I mean they they like doing stuff like that, they
Speaker 1: like telling stories like that, and uh, I would not
Speaker 1: rule that out. The Rampage show tonight we have got
Speaker 1: for the first time ever. And speaking of prediction contests,
Speaker 1: the winner this year was the guy that predicted eighteen
Speaker 1: months ago that MGF would make zero appearances on Rampage
Speaker 1: in any form, not taped segments, no interview segments, no matches, nothing, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, when you really think about it's like,
Speaker 1: that's a weird prediction to just come up with out
Speaker 1: of the blue, Like of all the things to come
Speaker 1: up with, that guy thought, you know what, I'll bet
Speaker 1: that not one time in twenty twenty two is MGFF
Speaker 1: ever going to show up on Rampage. But he didn't,
Speaker 1: But now he will and he will be there.
Speaker 6: Some sort of background investigation on some of these things,
Speaker 6: is this like that Reddit dolphin or what was the
Speaker 6: name of him.
Speaker 1: You might add inside information.
Speaker 6: Taylor's son allegedly or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it was weird. MJFF will appear,
Speaker 1: Adam Cole will appear. Check this show out, everybody, Anna
Speaker 1: Jay versus Sky Blue in a Women's owen Hart Foundation
Speaker 1: Tournament quarterfinal, Rocky Romero, Chuck Taylor, Trent and Yo. We'll
Speaker 1: be facing will Osprey, Kyle Fletcher, Jeff Cobb and Swerve.
Speaker 1: Jack Perry versus Dokie and the Acclaimed will be an
Speaker 1: action which apparently is gonna be quite the segment because
Speaker 1: ten solid straight minutes of booing for what they did
Speaker 1: in that segment. And then of course Saturday, we now
Speaker 1: have six matches for a collision, well six segments. We
Speaker 1: have Siampunk FTR and Ricky Starks versus j White, Juice
Speaker 1: and the ass Boys.
Speaker 6: That's going at least two segments.
Speaker 1: We have Hiroshi Tanahashi and Swerve Strickland. Wow. We have
Speaker 1: Willow Nightingale versus Nyla Rose and an owen Hart Foundation
Speaker 1: Women's Tournament match. Brody King will face Andrade Sting and
Speaker 1: Darby will review there they'll reveal their mystery partner. And
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of rumors about that mystery partner,
Speaker 1: and hey, you know, some people are predicting it's gonna
Speaker 1: be be Goldberg. I do not think it's going to
Speaker 1: be Goldberg. I think it's going to be somebody from
Speaker 1: New Japan. And Vinny last night suggested Shingo, who is
Speaker 1: not currently on the card, and other people have suggested
Speaker 1: perhaps Nito, who was not on the card. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I guess we shall find out.
Speaker 6: And you know, one person that would really like the
Speaker 6: team with them would be Horomo. But do they have
Speaker 6: different plans for Horomo's Horomo even coming over? I would
Speaker 6: assume that he is, so it'd be interesting to see
Speaker 6: where he gets placed on the show. Somebody on Twitter
Speaker 6: suggested Nick Wayne. I don't know if that's you know, boy.
Speaker 1: Nick Wayne is not eighteen yet.
Speaker 6: Ah well, okay, that's what it is, Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean they've already announced his debut, which is going
Speaker 1: to be in July, so I don't think.
Speaker 6: It's in July. Okay, So well, hey, you know, in
Speaker 6: that case, to me, it's got to be somebody from
Speaker 6: lij anyway. You know, it just seems like the most
Speaker 6: natural fit. I couldn't remember if Jericho had beef with Nayato.
Speaker 6: He did, correct, I mean, because that was one thing
Speaker 6: that Darby Allen hinted at was it was going to
Speaker 6: be somebody. Because Chris Jericho is pissed off a lot
Speaker 6: of people all over the place. You know, he has
Speaker 6: storm after he burned off there, maybe.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be you. And thought of that, maybe it'll
Speaker 1: be you.
Speaker 6: He'd run.
Speaker 1: You could come to the ring in a boat.
Speaker 6: He'd run for me like a coward. He'd run for
Speaker 6: me the same way that his father was run out
Speaker 6: of the league by my.
Speaker 1: In order for him from you, you'd have to be
Speaker 1: able to run after him, and we all know that
Speaker 1: ain'd happened.
Speaker 6: You know, I can run, no pro I have no
Speaker 6: proof of that. Yeah. Well, Chris Jericho clicking those purple
Speaker 6: heels together telling me he can run her, blowing in
Speaker 6: the breeze. Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1: I see Chris Jericho run virtually every single week. I've
Speaker 1: never seen you run. Now, I usually see.
Speaker 6: Chris Jericho run away from a challenge, like, you know,
Speaker 6: turn the music down and stop letting people cheer for you.
Speaker 6: You heal, you want to throw fire, throw fire at me,
Speaker 6: Chris Jericho I'll fire back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Christian Cage addresses the TNT time go.
Speaker 6: Joined Don Kallis's family. Alvarez Bro. You know what, Frankly,
Speaker 6: You're perfect.
Speaker 1: You know he's a despicable, horrible, disgusting, horrible, hideous human being.
Speaker 1: But god darn if he is not right up my
Speaker 1: alley anyway, then we have a Sunday The Forbidden Door Show,
Speaker 1: the Dark Match, the pre show match. Athena and Billy Starks,
Speaker 1: my former partner, by the way, a Women's Own Hard
Speaker 1: Cup tournament. A lot of help she was in that
Speaker 1: match where the hell was Billy when my stump was
Speaker 1: getting pulled outside the ring somewhere. Kenny O'meghan will Osbury
Speaker 1: for the iw GP US Championship. Brian Danielson and Okata
Speaker 1: which is going to be the main event, Sonata and.
Speaker 6: Jack Perry with Hook Interesting.
Speaker 1: M JF and Airoshi Tanahashi for the a W title.
Speaker 1: Le Suzuki Gods, Jericho Samy and Minor Suzuki versus Sting
Speaker 1: Darby and the TVA. John Moxley, Wheeler You to Claudio
Speaker 1: Takeshna and Show toa Umino versus Hangman Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson,
Speaker 1: Eddie Kingston and Ishi E, CM Punk and Satoshi Kojima,
Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy Zach Saber Shabbata and Daniel Garcia in a
Speaker 1: four way for the aw International title. Tony Storman Willow
Speaker 1: Nightingale two champions fighting for the a W Women's title,
Speaker 1: the I Double or the new Japan Strong Women's title
Speaker 1: out of the line at Adam Cole. Well, we'll find
Speaker 1: out tonight, now, won't.
Speaker 6: We Yes, we will, we will.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what no one's talking about. The Blackpool
Speaker 1: Combat Club will be facing the elite. Eddie Kingston and
Speaker 1: Ishie and CM Punk is gonna face Satoshi Kojima.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that means the first.
Speaker 1: Time since brawl Out these individuals are scheduled to be
Speaker 1: on the same card.
Speaker 6: What can happen?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what's going on. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're gonna do the deal where you know, certain
Speaker 1: people are on a bus while other people are in
Speaker 1: the building and then vice versa. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're all supposed to be in the building at the
Speaker 1: same time.
Speaker 6: Because it's Canada, because of the exchange rate, the drama
Speaker 6: when don't you go up there kind of lessens a
Speaker 6: little bit.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna find out one way or the other.
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out on Sunday. Tony Khan answered questions
Speaker 1: from the media yesterday, and let's go through some of
Speaker 1: these from the front page of Wrestling Observer dot com.
Speaker 1: Think about Tony Khan, you know these press conferences, he's
Speaker 1: really good at saying nothing. You ever noticed that. So
Speaker 1: the first question was about the Elite and see him
Speaker 1: Punk being on the same card, and his response was,
Speaker 1: it's great to have so many superstars on Forbidden Door.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about having Punk in the Elite on
Speaker 1: the show. However, he never spoke about them being in
Speaker 1: the same building at the same time.
Speaker 6: Only in America. That man is a pro. He has
Speaker 6: been through the ringer with the NFL teams and plenty
Speaker 6: of other situations. And yes, we have seen him have
Speaker 6: very poor times out there dealing with employees and dealing
Speaker 6: with things. But when it comes to these things, yeah,
Speaker 6: you get a lot of this and that's what you're
Speaker 6: gonna get.
Speaker 1: He was asked about the locker room dynamic regarding Punk
Speaker 1: being back. He said, so far it has been a
Speaker 1: positive experience at the last two shows in Chicago, and
Speaker 1: he hyped up Punk's upcoming matches this weekend. That's what
Speaker 1: he said. Con said everybody was really excited about the
Speaker 1: television ratings for Collision. Well, the first week was very good.
Speaker 1: Bleacher Report was asked about the booking of Jungle Boy
Speaker 1: and Sonata. Con said jungle Boy was his first pick
Speaker 1: for the match. He said the whole company believes in
Speaker 1: him and he has continued to develop over the years.
Speaker 1: As for where Brian Danson and Okada ranks as far
Speaker 1: as matches he's excited to book, he said it was
Speaker 1: ranking near the top in terms of anticipation as a
Speaker 1: promoter or a fan. Also happy with how they've been
Speaker 1: building the match in recent weeks. Asked about the owen
Speaker 1: Hart Cup tournament and the lack of Canadians participating, Con
Speaker 1: said he wanted to give the strongest field possible. Feels
Speaker 1: a did that and there will be future owen Hart
Speaker 1: tournaments in Canada and there will be chances for Canadian
Speaker 1: wrestlers to get involved. Asked about seeing punkin Kenton not
Speaker 1: taking place, conresponded punkin Kojima is the match he wants
Speaker 1: to see and that this Sunday show has more stars
Speaker 1: on it than any show he has ever produced.
Speaker 6: Stars in the Sky Baby.
Speaker 1: As for anyone else who Punk was rumored to wrestle,
Speaker 1: he said he can't comment on that. That's about Stardom
Speaker 1: telling you today Stardom pay per view on the same day.
Speaker 1: He hopes to work with Stardom in the future. He
Speaker 1: has built stronger connections with New Japan's Ghetto and Takami
Speaker 1: Obari through organizing the show. Continue to talk about the
Speaker 1: injury problems the show suffered from last year. He was
Speaker 1: asked about the report that his family was interested in
Speaker 1: purchasing Belator. He said he was surprised to see that
Speaker 1: and does not know what it's about. They've not had
Speaker 1: any conversations about purchasing bellator is. Asked about the Elite
Speaker 1: BCC feud, talked about many different stories taking place within
Speaker 1: the match, Moxley Kingston to catching the elite, et cetera.
Speaker 1: That's about women working in creative He mentioned Madison Rain
Speaker 1: and Sarah Stock as those who contribute and praise their work.
Speaker 1: He gets a perspective of top wrestlers as well. Asked
Speaker 1: about opening the Forbidden Door with other companies, he said
Speaker 1: he'd like to work with CMLL and Triple A own
Speaker 1: Dave Meltzer had said here asked about one Bill Phil
Speaker 1: and if it was a reference to a new and
Speaker 1: possibly lucrative television deal with WBD. Tony Kahn said that
Speaker 1: Punk's comment about Zaslov was a throwback to when wrestlers
Speaker 1: on TNT would refer to ted turn on television. He
Speaker 1: said the company is continually growing and trying to reach
Speaker 1: the number that Punk referenced, which means they didn't sign
Speaker 1: a billion dollar deal back in them with more Observer Live.
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 6: And you say, I annoy you. You know, I'm looking
Speaker 6: at this chat right now, and I don't know, Brian,
Speaker 6: I think you bring.
Speaker 2: This all on yourself.
Speaker 1: I didn't bring any of this up. I'm reading a
Speaker 1: transcript here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was asked about Goldberg being involved with AW He
Speaker 1: said he had nice conversations with Bill, but he does
Speaker 1: not see him as a good fit for Stinging Darby,
Speaker 1: Allen's partner on Sunday. Now, a lot of people would
Speaker 1: look at that and go, well, for sure, he's going
Speaker 1: to be the partner then. But you know, normally, when
Speaker 1: when Tony says something is not going to happen, he's
Speaker 1: not doing that to swerve people's He's doing that because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want people expecting something that he's not going
Speaker 1: to give them.
Speaker 6: Right about Look, I know Tony's rich and all that,
Speaker 6: and he can spend as much money as he wants
Speaker 6: in the family and all that, but like, wouldn't you
Speaker 6: if you're spending that much money on Goldberg. Don't you
Speaker 6: want to kind of build that up, don't you want?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so, yeah, the idea is they build
Speaker 1: it up on Saturday night. I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's very clear if you watch the way that that
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan books, that he believes no one is buying
Speaker 1: a pay per view until the day of the show. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not the nineties where you call your cable
Speaker 1: company a week in advance and you place your order
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. He didn't think anyone's
Speaker 1: buying the show until the day of the show, which
Speaker 1: ninety nine point of the people are not buying the show.
Speaker 6: Until the day of the show.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, as long as
Speaker 1: they know everything they need to know on the day
Speaker 1: of the show, it's fine. He's done that show after
Speaker 1: show after show after show. And if he thinks and
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think he thinks this. If
Speaker 1: he thinks that Goldberg is the guy that's going to
Speaker 1: team with them, and as long as he announces it
Speaker 1: on Saturday before the show and it's a big angle
Speaker 1: and people go crazy, that's all he needs. Then that's
Speaker 1: what he's going to do. But I don't think it
Speaker 1: is going to be Goldberg.
Speaker 6: And look, I'm sure a lot of the data says
Speaker 6: impulse and things like that with shorter retention spans and
Speaker 6: things like that, you get it out. I mean, I
Speaker 6: guess that's kind of what WWE seems to be doing
Speaker 6: with their premium live events, and that we used to
Speaker 6: have a schedule for the year, at least of the
Speaker 6: dates of where everything was, if not all of the
Speaker 6: cities that they were going to be in, and now
Speaker 6: they do all the branding, where the city announcement's going
Speaker 6: to be, the ticket sales, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6: They've now shrunken that whole time frame down a lot too,
Speaker 6: So obviously there's something to that when it comes to
Speaker 6: really all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about Punk having an ownership stake, and a
Speaker 1: w con said that is not the case, but Punk
Speaker 1: wants the company to do well. He was using a
Speaker 1: colloquialism collis. I don't like that word. It's too big
Speaker 1: for me, he said, He's just quote trying to run
Speaker 1: a business. He was asked about the viewership for Collision,
Speaker 1: what w B would consider a success. He responded the
Speaker 1: number they got was considered very successful. He said he
Speaker 1: doesn't know the exact number that is projected week to
Speaker 1: be going forward, however, and then was asked about Stat
Speaker 1: Lantern Punk coming back from injuries. He said they have
Speaker 1: hit the ground running and it is good for returning
Speaker 1: wrestlers to get the ring rust out early.
Speaker 6: Can I ask you a silly question, I don't think
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: I love silly questions.
Speaker 6: Yes, is the writer's strike fixed? Is that over? Or
Speaker 6: is it still ongoing?
Speaker 1: As it they been fixed? Like is it a work?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: But I mean is it has that been resolved yet?
Speaker 6: Because what will be really interesting it is unresolved.
Speaker 1: It is unresolved.
Speaker 6: Properties Could we see Monday Night Raw end up on
Speaker 6: NBC on a Monday night because who knows? Could we
Speaker 6: TBS and TNT decide to move collision or rerun it
Speaker 6: at some point during the week if that happens, Could
Speaker 6: we see it end up on True TV? I mean,
Speaker 6: it'll be interesting to see what happens, because that's the
Speaker 6: one thing you have. You have sports, you have professional wrestling,
Speaker 6: and then you have whatever cheaply produced game shows and
Speaker 6: reality shows that you can get that don't involve writers.
Speaker 6: And again, I don't know what production times are on
Speaker 6: all these sorts of things. But as time moves on here,
Speaker 6: you're gonna run out of time to finish things, and
Speaker 6: it's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 1: So my gut feeling is that there is enough stuff
Speaker 1: to air that they will not have to worry about
Speaker 1: that in the short term. But if we're talking like,
Speaker 1: you know, in two years is still has not been resolved,
Speaker 1: then yeah, of course you could see something like that.
Speaker 6: Well, but you know how people get weird and desperate
Speaker 6: in these you know again some of these companies and
Speaker 6: decision makers where it's like, Okay, we're gonna shift all
Speaker 6: these game shows and you have this on here. I mean,
Speaker 6: that's the one thing ABC has going forward is the
Speaker 6: fact that ESPN. I mean, look at the amount of
Speaker 6: programming and they are you the ones who anytime you
Speaker 6: see sports on any single property that's being executive produced
Speaker 6: through ESPN. So again, it's just it's gonna be really
Speaker 6: interesting because again, even a long even one that pushes
Speaker 6: into January, like pushes into half the season, could start
Speaker 6: turning things upside down.
Speaker 1: We had Dynamite on Wednesday, nine hundred two thousand viewers,
Speaker 1: up eight point four percent viewership is nearly identical. The
Speaker 1: uh A demo was appoint three to three, up ten
Speaker 1: percent and uh for those of you that saw the
Speaker 1: Quarters with Brandon Thurston, you know, just want to note
Speaker 1: that the highest rated thing on the show was a
Speaker 1: concession stand brawl. That was the highest rated quarter on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 6: Dogs on the side of the Road.
Speaker 1: No, it was a fun match. People interested in the product.
Speaker 6: So lucky like everybody involved in that match.
Speaker 1: Boom boo you yes, No, that's what happened, dude, that's
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 6: People slings it does work, It does work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, yeah, go ahead. Could have been on the farm.
Speaker 1: I'd have been fine with it being on the farm.
Speaker 6: You know how it could have got more ratings though
Speaker 6: Starlight Kid somehow being involved in that match. Everybody else
Speaker 6: was involved in that match.
Speaker 1: No, that wouldn't have gotten more. That would have just
Speaker 1: sold more shirts, that's what that would have done. Yes,
Speaker 1: Let's see, who are these NXT tag teams in the
Speaker 1: women's division. I don't feel like they are enough right now.
Speaker 1: There's a Taule Abertag teams. They just introduced that new one.
Speaker 6: Well lash Legend of Jakara Jackson. You have Ulyssa Leone
Speaker 6: and uh Valentino, farraz Or Froze whatever it is, and
Speaker 6: then who is it now with the girl whose name
Speaker 6: I can never remember, Crusa Rivera u Electro Lopez and
Speaker 6: her new partner. The problem with all of those women
Speaker 6: is they really shouldn't be on NXTV right now. As
Speaker 6: great as Jaikara and Lashar is part of that group,
Speaker 6: I mean again, for where they're at in the ring,
Speaker 6: this is insane. They have people they need to concentrate on.
Speaker 6: Tiffany Stratton has completely leveled out. Roxanne Perez as a
Speaker 6: character has completely leveled out. You know that Roxanne could
Speaker 6: go in the ring, but we had to give her personality.
Speaker 6: You know what physical things Tiffany can do, but we
Speaker 6: have to keep giving her more dialogue so she can
Speaker 6: be ready for the main roster. It's like, that's not
Speaker 6: what these women need, and they all need reps with
Speaker 6: each other because in theory those women be Priestly Kora Jade,
Speaker 6: some of the other women they have, they are supposed
Speaker 6: to be the bone of everything moving forward. So it
Speaker 6: does drive me nuts that they really seem to concentrate
Speaker 6: way too much. Again on the dialogue part. It's killing
Speaker 6: every single I can't believe people don't see that, and
Speaker 6: I can't believe that it's not an issue for them
Speaker 6: to see these women struggle or to even see the
Speaker 6: guys struggle on these promos.
Speaker 1: Four two five seven eight zero seven five sixty six.
Speaker 1: That is four two five seven eight zero seven five
Speaker 1: sixty six. Text me your questions. Person here says, do
Speaker 1: you think that cmpunk will get the aw title back?
Speaker 1: Or will he get another shot or another title like
Speaker 1: the Owen Heart Belt, or will he take the TNT title?
Speaker 1: This is what I think is going to happen everybody. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know FTR and cmpunk are giant fans of Brett Hart.
Speaker 1: So I do believe that cm punk is winning the
Speaker 1: Owen Heart Cup for the men this year. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: as the winner of the Owen Hart Cup, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, don't let me forget what I was on,
Speaker 1: but I want to mention this. So I asked a
Speaker 1: question the other day, and the question was, britt Baker
Speaker 1: is in the women's tournament this year as a winner
Speaker 1: last year, but Adam Cole is not in the tournament.
Speaker 1: Why is Adam Cole not in the tournament, and you know,
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, well, you know he's in the
Speaker 1: tag tournament, and it's like, who cares. He can't do
Speaker 1: two tournaments at the same time. And then apparently Tony
Speaker 1: Khan was asked about it and his answer was, well,
Speaker 1: he's in the title picture, and it's like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: in storyline, he's not in the title picture. In storyline,
Speaker 1: he's trying to get a title shot because Tony Khan
Speaker 1: or because MGM will not give him a championship match.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it should be a better explanation than you know,
Speaker 1: he's in the title picture or whatever. But one way
Speaker 1: or the other, yes, say you go, one of us
Speaker 1: could talk here. Damn it.
Speaker 6: Don't worry. This show's almost over, boss Man. But you
Speaker 6: know when it comes to the g one being announced
Speaker 6: at the time of the year now, and you know,
Speaker 6: look that New Japan is changing and there are a
Speaker 6: lot of young guys as well as their veterans who
Speaker 6: need to be involved in that thing. Every year. In
Speaker 6: this fantasy that seven guys are gonna come over from
Speaker 6: all over the world, that's probably never gonna be the
Speaker 6: case again, especially if it gets smaller, which it should.
Speaker 6: They may want to do their booking in a way
Speaker 6: and organize it in a way where, since it's only
Speaker 6: eight people in this own Hard Cup, you put them
Speaker 6: in there and it's almost like your own g One
Speaker 6: where the winner not only wins the own Hard Cup,
Speaker 6: but they actually have a guaranteed title shot, or they
Speaker 6: have something that leads into something else, and they actually
Speaker 6: puff it up a little bit more and take care
Speaker 6: of it a little bit more, because they don't want
Speaker 6: to see a time where it's just you see random
Speaker 6: people in it because you need somebody to take an
Speaker 6: l to say powerhouse Hobs, and you're scared about putting
Speaker 6: somebody else in that mix. I think you can add
Speaker 6: more gravity to it and put more focus on it
Speaker 6: by doing it that way.
Speaker 1: All right, So anyway, I believe that Seampunk is going
Speaker 1: to win the Own Hard Cup, and then I believe
Speaker 1: based off that at some point he is going to
Speaker 1: get a shot at MJF. Now let's talk about old
Speaker 1: Chris Statlander. Remember stat Lander got injured. Yeah, her her
Speaker 1: knee was out nine actually it was out more than
Speaker 1: nine months.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, in the meantime, Jade Cargill was the TBS champion
Speaker 1: and it was it was pretty clear that the idea
Speaker 1: was always going to be for stat Lander to beat
Speaker 1: Jade Cargill. And if you watched the Jade Cargill title reign,
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact of the matter is she They
Speaker 1: were building up that streak and everything, but it was
Speaker 1: just the same thing dragged out forever. So the boy
Speaker 1: were in storyline. Jade was like, you know, this thing
Speaker 1: is boring. I'm bored, and then like other people were
Speaker 1: talking about how it was boring. So the reason was
Speaker 1: stat Lander was supposed to win the title and so
Speaker 1: they had to wait for her to be back, and
Speaker 1: then they pulled the trigger on it. So my point is,
Speaker 1: where were we last year? Well, the idea was that
Speaker 1: MJF was going to return, MJFF was going to feud
Speaker 1: with Cmpunk who was the champion, and MGF was gonna
Speaker 1: beat Cmpunk and become the champion. That was clearly the
Speaker 1: idea that they were working with. Then everything went off
Speaker 1: the rails. Everything went off the rails. Fights happened, injuries happen,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So what I believe is that
Speaker 1: the end results of all of this is Punk ends
Speaker 1: up getting a championship match. With MGF, but MJF beats him,
Speaker 1: because that's the whole plan that Tony had from the
Speaker 1: very beginning, was MJF beating cm Punk and winning the
Speaker 1: championship from him. You could have Punk win, but what
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat MGF win the title, and then MGF
Speaker 1: is gonna beat him back to get to where you
Speaker 1: wanted to be. Just MGF can beat him and then
Speaker 1: you know, you do whatever you're going to do. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that Punk isn't gonna win the title again
Speaker 1: at some point or anything like that. I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at what was the idea before everything went off the rails,
Speaker 1: because things have gone off the rails before, and Tony
Speaker 1: has just waited and waited and waited and then did
Speaker 1: what he wanted to do the entire time. And my
Speaker 1: presumption is that what he was going to do. And
Speaker 1: it seemed clear from storylines and where everything ended up
Speaker 1: that MGF was gonna beat Cmpunk to become the champion.
Speaker 6: And MJF does not defend that title a lot, and
Speaker 6: so how many more title defenses you're gonna have this year?
Speaker 6: He can defeat Adam Cole at Wembley than defeats cm
Speaker 6: Punk either in Chicago the next week or maybe later on,
Speaker 6: you know, in November, or whenever the next show is,
Speaker 6: and then you have you know, that plays into that
Speaker 6: storyline of Now we're on twenty twenty four on MJF
Speaker 6: and I don't have anything to do. I vanquished all
Speaker 6: your heroes. What's gonna keep me here?
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Speaker 1: and Vinnie and Craig reviewing Forbidden Door and anything big
Speaker 1: that might happen on Collision, but we're not planning on
Speaker 1: doing a full Collision review. I will do a full
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