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Speaker 2: Like inside Scoop with Ken Rosenthaler, FT senior insider, is

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Speaker 1: The number one difference is the manager, Terry Francona, and

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ken, I want to switch gears for a moment

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Speaker 4: I've argued this ever since he left the Rays, that

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Speaker 3: They think their season is going to go. Because how can.

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Speaker 4: You work one guy in five days and then everyone

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Speaker 1: Bob Gibson in nineteen sixty eight. No, No pitcher today

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Speaker 1: The Oils have guys that they could trade. I'm just

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Speaker 2: Ken there's not a book on this, because we don't

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Speaker 2: know every offer that's made and when, of course in baseball,

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Speaker 2: But do you agree with the fact that generally, when

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Speaker 2: this is what we would pay. If not, we're willing

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Speaker 2: Sure there can be a position player injury, but it's

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Speaker 2: So to me, I'm like, Okay, Nick Povetta maybe has

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Speaker 2: a couple months ago. I don't get it with Bregman,

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Speaker 3: Get a call?

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Speaker 2: We're like, all right, screw it, another year and another

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Speaker 1: It's a great point, Scott, and you're absolutely right about

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Speaker 1: he had the six one fifty six from Houston, right

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Speaker 1: going to beat that, you're gonna have to be above

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Speaker 1: it is pretty rare except in the case of Machadah

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Speaker 1: he'll still have the chance to beat the sixty one

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Speaker 1: won't be this year, So I don't know, Scott. It's

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Speaker 1: a very curious one to me, And maybe once he

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Speaker 4: It's curious to me is how a pitcher can show up,

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Speaker 4: at Dodgers camp. And there's rumors that maybe he has

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Speaker 4: a contract. We get it, he always has the one

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's under agreement penny of physical. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. Actually, So it's not as if

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Speaker 1: he's unsigned and a free agent. He's signed. He's just

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Speaker 1: got to pass his physical.

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Speaker 2: It's all set.

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Speaker 1: Have I heard of this happening before where a guy

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Speaker 1: kind of just as there, No, But there are not

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Speaker 1: many Clayton kersh was out there, and it's a very

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Speaker 1: unusual situation. We knew if he came back, he was

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Speaker 1: wasn't I'm going to sign right away because he's not

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Speaker 1: coming back to play right away. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: some time before he's fully healthy. So you're right, Eric,

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Speaker 1: it was definitely unusual what happened yesterday, him showing up

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Speaker 2: Ken. Thank you for the time. Enjoy camp. Some jealous

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Speaker 1: Sounds great, guys, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Com wrote the article, I'm actually gonna list all of

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Speaker 2: each of you. Okay, So here's his top ten Junior Camonaro,

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Speaker 2: Garrett Crochet, Brendan Donovan, Logan, Gilbert Laddie Junior. Oops, I

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Speaker 2: get a few more in here. Six is Michael King,

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Speaker 2: aj who do you think really should work out a deal?

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Speaker 4: Well to me too, stand out on there. One is

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Speaker 4: For me, I think because school if he hits the

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Speaker 4: They should have already had this done. I just think

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Speaker 4: We're gonna build around Flatty Junior. I'm going to go

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Speaker 4: exact same thing he did last year, it will be

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00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 4: the exact same to me. He signs an extension now,

435
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,959
Speaker 4: maybe buys up a year of his free agency, and

436
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 4: it allows him to have some certainty and pitch in

437
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 4: a city that can be tough if you don't do well.

438
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure on him. To me, Boston

439
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 4: will want to do it, and I think Crochet will

440
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 4: get the most money out of it.

441
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 2: Okay, so here's the next layer of this game. I

442
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: actually want to pick some of your extension candidates and

443
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: throw the anal out there from this article. So let's

444
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: start with Crochet because you don't know how he is

445
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 2: going to be in a bigger pressurized environment, right. The

446
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: White Sox, you know, only had a few people at

447
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: the Games last year and they were happy to just

448
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: be within five runs. And also Crochet, of course, has

449
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: had injuries in his career now transitions to starters, so

450
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: he's a unique case. And obviously he's going to want

451
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: to be paid like an ace, which is what he

452
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: looked like when he was on the mount to start

453
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: games last year. So they threw out a six year

454
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: extension that pays him ten million dollars in twenty twenty six.

455
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: That's his final arbitration year, so that lines up for

456
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: next year, and then twenty five million dollars per season

457
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty seven to twenty thirty one, So I

458
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: get him a total of one hundred and thirty five

459
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 2: million dollars. They said, add an assigning bonus and the

460
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: buyout of an option year, so I guess one extra

461
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: year on top of that, and they could push the

462
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: game guaranteed money to one hundred and fifty million dollars.

463
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 2: A reference point could be Pablo Lopez four year, seventy

464
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: three point five million dollar extension when he was at

465
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: the same service time level as Crochet, and we're tackling

466
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: on two years sixty million dollars on top of that.

467
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: Do you like that deal for both sides?

468
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Speaker 1: AJ?

469
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think I think, Uh I think Crochet

470
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 4: is going to want to say, hey, I've already been

471
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 4: hurt once and I want to go farther into it.

472
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, I see it. I mean I see it.

473
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 4: I see it from both sides. But I think he's

474
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 4: going to wait. I want to wait now. I can

475
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: see why he would want to wait. To me, I

476
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 4: don't want I don't want more than five years. If

477
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 4: I'm Crochet, I don't want more than five years, even

478
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 4: with the options. So if you want to have two

479
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: year options, give me three with two years options so

480
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: that I can go. Not saying he's gonna get hurt

481
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: during this time, saying he's going to have five years

482
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 4: and he's going to be hitting the free agent market

483
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 4: at thirty. We forget that he's twenty five years almost

484
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: twenty six years old.

485
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: Five years.

486
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: He can still get a huge free agent contract five

487
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 4: six years, and that what guys are getting right now.

488
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: And to me, that five year gives him some stuability,

489
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: but it also gives him, you know, an opportunity to

490
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: be in one place for a little while.

491
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm grabbing that deal. You're right, you can get

492
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: another big deal. Teams will give big money to aces

493
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: in their thirties, and if he does stay healthy, then

494
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: you are proving that maybe you'd had less mileage on

495
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: your arm heading into your thirties. If you don't stay healthy,

496
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: then you probably should have taken the extension and not

497
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: gotten to free agency because there could be a problem there.

498
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: So I actually think this one makes a ton of sense.

499
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other thing for me, when chrouch' is talking

500
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: about caman Arow, I don't think it's going to happen

501
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 4: because the Raids are scared off by Wander not saying

502
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 4: they're the same person. But the Rays finally did it.

503
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: They finally went big with their superstar guy they thought

504
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 4: they had in Wander Franco, and we haven't seen him

505
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: in years, and obviously he's having some legal problems. So

506
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 4: I think that's the one for me. You know, some

507
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: of these other names that we look at, you know,

508
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: Brendan Donovan and the Cardinals aren't really in that mode

509
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: right now. Logan Gilbert, the Mariners don't have any money.

510
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 4: They keep telling us that. So yeah, with Crochet, would

511
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 4: that be a nice deal for Crochet? Yes, But I

512
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: think you know, he threw all his chips on the

513
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 4: table when he said he wouldn't be traded last year

514
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 4: unless he was signed to an extension. I think he

515
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: wants to just play it out. I think he feels good.

516
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: I think he feels like he can be healthy, and

517
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: I think he's willing to take a bet on himself.

518
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: Let me run through Camonaro real quick. They said largest

519
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: contract given to a player with less than one full

520
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: year of service time Julio Rodriguez twelve years, two hundred

521
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: and ten million dollars. But that was August of his

522
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: rookie season, after being an All Star and was on

523
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: his way to Rookie of the Year. So Camonaro hasn't

524
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: put that together yet. If we're doing this now, they

525
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: said a more appropriate comp would be Corbyn Carrol eight years,

526
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: one hundred eleven million dollars. Do you think Caminaro takes that?

527
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: They said eight one twenty to just for inflation and

528
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: eight years. Yeah, that gets you the comp of the

529
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: eight one eleven. You guys think he takes that.

530
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: I do.

531
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 4: He's twenty one. He's still hitting free agency before he's thirty.

532
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 4: That's a big it's a big number that that number thirty.

533
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: If he's getting in six figures, if he's getting six figures,

534
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 4: nine figures. If he's getting one hundred million plus, I

535
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: think he takes it.

536
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: What are you saying, what are you telling your client?

537
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

538
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 4: I mean I'm telling your client if he's twenty one

539
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 4: years old, to take nine figures.

540
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: You have to if they come to you. He can,

541
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: you know he can.

542
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 4: But I would like, here's what I would like him

543
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: to do. Get nine figures. Get that, but have an

544
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: opt out somewhere in there for six years or seven years.

545
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 4: So let the club get there a year or two

546
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: of free agency. Then he can hit free agency again

547
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: at twenty seven or twenty eight years old, right, and

548
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: then you can try to cash in again. I think

549
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 4: that the club might not go for it, but that's

550
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: what I would be shooting for if I was his agent.

551
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: What if the club says, no, you get the Carol

552
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: komp plus inflation, take it or leave it. We love

553
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: you to death, but if you want to play games

554
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: with us, we'll wait.

555
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna think he takes it. I just don't think

556
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 4: the Rays might do it. I think the Rays is

557
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: a little scared right now.

558
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's a good call. I mean, and

559
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: they're also figuring out their ballpark situation. One more, let's

560
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 2: finish bake.

561
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: We don't in Orlando.

562
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: There is money there. I agree with you. Most of

563
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: the other names on this list are not very realistic

564
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: for me, especially even Kyle Tucker. I mean, he's a

565
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: year away from free agency. I don't think the Couty

566
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: definitely everyone no, okay, but let's finish with Laddie here

567
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: and the comp that they put out there, because they

568
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: alluded to how in December they said the offer was

569
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: three forty and his camp was like, yeah, not even close.

570
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: So they said thirteen year deal starting in twenty twenty six,

571
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: forty five million a year, five hundred and eighty five

572
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: million dollars. And I guess they said, given the leverage

573
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: that Vladdie has over the Jays, it could even get

574
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: you fourteen years close to fifty million dollars per year.

575
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I love, I love the numbers for Laddie,

576
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 4: but I also I'm wow. I mean, all I have

577
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: to say, I don't know what the number is, but

578
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: I know it has to be a record. If you're

579
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: signing Vladdie as an organization and as the player that

580
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: he is, the age that he is, it has to

581
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: be a record and you have to blow the record

582
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: away now for your team, for all of baseball, has

583
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: to be the biggest extension ever given out. So that's

584
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 4: where it starts. And three forty ain't it. Sorry, He's

585
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: he's got to get more.

586
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 3: It makes it. It makes a huge impact.

587
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: It makes a huge impact in the free agency they'll

588
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: get and their fan base showing that we might not

589
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: have a lot in the pipeline coming through, but we

590
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: still want to win with our superstar.

591
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: He's not getting fourteen seven hundred, but I think forty

592
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: five a year to get you to five eighty five

593
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: is a number that he takes. I think he's got

594
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: to be in the mid five hundred to say no,

595
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: I'll take.

596
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: I think you're right, but I mean we also, first

597
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: baseman don't get paid the way other positions do. So

598
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: that's the other problem he runs into is I know

599
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: he's a better player than Pete A. Lonzo, He's got

600
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: better things, but first baseman typically don't get played. It's

601
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: been outfielder, shortstops and starting pitchers that have been the

602
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: ones that have gotten paid. So first baseman, I don't know.

603
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I hope he gets every dollar. But

604
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: I just don't know that it's I don't know if

605
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: the Bluegas are willing to go to the number that's

606
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: going to get it dumb. They need to for the

607
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 4: organization and for the fans there to have something to

608
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 4: look forward to for the next ten years.

609
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't what if he wins the MVP, Well, then

610
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: they're in really too late.

611
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too late that.

612
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they don't give him something that's in the fives,

613
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: he's going to free agency because I do think another

614
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: team will play ball at that rate, just based on

615
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: the star appeal, the age, the bat. They're going to say, hey,

616
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: so do's a but you're not getting him for his love.

617
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: What some reports.

618
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Already say Boston loves him and they're just waiting for him.

619
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: I think the Yankees would be involved. I think there'll

620
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: be enough teams involved, not many, but three or four

621
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: that would be involved. Obviously Toronto would still be trying

622
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: to keep him too, and pressure, I mean Washington should.

623
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: It would be such a good fit for them. They

624
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: need a first baseman, but a long term first baseman. Anyway,

625
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: all right.

626
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: Let's get back their oars.

627
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: Who the Nats? Yeah, yeah, but they could do that

628
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: now them for much less. Yeah, you could do both.

629
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: You could do both. Okay, fine,