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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Spencer new Art, joined today by Ryan
Speaker 2: Callahan and Randall Williams. On today's show, we'll interview Duncan
Speaker 2: Murdoch about the dinosaur Highway that was just discovered in England,
Speaker 2: followed by a turkey report from the Meat Eater crew.
Speaker 2: Then we've got one minute fishing with Seth Morris. After
Speaker 2: that we'll do show and tell, and finally we'll interview
Speaker 2: Alex Fogg about constructing the world's largest artificial reef. Now,
Speaker 2: in case you don't think this is a live show,
Speaker 2: we just got breaking news that there's a new pope
Speaker 2: that's been elected. What's your insight on this, Randall White.
Speaker 3: Smoke from that's all. I watched Steve watch Conclave on
Speaker 3: a plane last week.
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, all right, But but we're gonna settle
Speaker 2: an internet debate that's taken the Internet by storm. Here recently.
Speaker 2: Every now and then, some stupid thing on the Internet
Speaker 2: achieves exit velocity and makes it out into the real
Speaker 2: world like it is a hot dog, a sandwich, or
Speaker 2: the hawk to a girl. It happened again this week,
Speaker 2: and that was can one hundred humans beat a gorilla,
Speaker 2: a singular gorilla in a fight to the death? Yes,
Speaker 2: I have strong feelings about this randal. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Randall has come today with a notepad that I believe
Speaker 2: contains notes on this on this subject, I.
Speaker 3: Do I I don't think it's a very interesting question.
Speaker 3: I think the the numbers, the sheer numbers, and the
Speaker 3: fatigue factor. But I'd like to just use this moment
Speaker 3: to bolster that opinion. With my qualifications as an all
Speaker 3: around great ape enthusiast, Phil, will you pull up Exhibit
Speaker 3: one please? Whenever I'm at a zoo, I like to
Speaker 3: go visit the great Apes. On the left is Grill
Speaker 3: World at Cincinnati Zoo. On the right, I don't even
Speaker 3: know which zoo I was at there. That was twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, wow, and I didn't go back to check
Speaker 3: my travel calendar. But as you can see there, it
Speaker 3: says test your grill IQ and I did rather well
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 2: How do we know?
Speaker 3: You just have to trust me.
Speaker 2: Okay, but so many zoos and checked out so many
Speaker 2: apes that he doesn't even know what zoo he was at.
Speaker 3: Yes, Phil, if you'll pull up the next slide please,
Speaker 3: This is a bizarre image one of my favorite sort
Speaker 3: of freak discoveries in the course of my dissertation research.
Speaker 3: This is an ad for the Ruger forty four magnum carbing.
Speaker 3: It's like the forty four magnum version of a ten
Speaker 3: twenty two. And they thought the best way to demonstrate
Speaker 3: the utility of this is with an image of a
Speaker 3: man and a gorilla. That is, it's amazing in somewhere
Speaker 3: in Central Africa. I had just took a picture of
Speaker 3: it with my phone, and I've never had a chance
Speaker 3: to display it to the world. So here it is.
Speaker 3: We used to live in a very weird place, Phil,
Speaker 3: Exhibit three. Here. Oh, so this is a sequence of
Speaker 3: photos taken at the Cincinnati Zoo. That's not my child,
Speaker 3: but just a random child, a good friend's child. No,
Speaker 3: we're taking a photo with this friend here and suddenly
Speaker 3: if only we've been filming video, because suddenly he charged
Speaker 3: us and he slapped the glass in what might be
Speaker 3: the most frightening sudden surprise of my life. It sounded
Speaker 3: like someone just shot a gun next to my head.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're learning Randall is indeed a subject matter expert.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've also read Gorillas in the Mist. And then
Speaker 3: to prep for this segment, I I didn't have time
Speaker 3: to watch the movie Congo Oh, so I downloaded it
Speaker 3: on Kindle and I read sixty seven percent of it. Okay,
Speaker 3: I shared some of my thoughts with Phil, but it
Speaker 3: is one of our culture's greatest meditations on the gorilla's
Speaker 3: capacity for violence. So I didn't really get anything out
Speaker 3: of that. And then I brought this T shirt. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is from the San Diego This is.
Speaker 2: All part of answering the question on if one hundred
Speaker 2: humans could beat a gorilla in a fight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just think a gorilla. You know, it's
Speaker 3: five and a half feet tall, four hundred pounds. It's
Speaker 3: got a powerful sagital crest that allows its jaw muscles
Speaker 3: to exert sort of unbelievable pressure on any sort of
Speaker 3: thing that finds its way into its mouth. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think he can do it. I think you
Speaker 3: just get tired.
Speaker 2: I fully agree. I don't think it's even It wouldn't
Speaker 2: even be close to a fair fight. One hundred is
Speaker 2: such a big number. Yeah, one hundred humans, it's not fun.
Speaker 2: I think the debate should be what's the number where
Speaker 2: it actually gets competitive? My gas is like ten to fifteen.
Speaker 2: Do you think a dozen humans?
Speaker 3: No, you think a gorilla would win?
Speaker 4: I think I was going to say twenty.
Speaker 3: Figure the reach. A girl has got a wingspan of
Speaker 3: about eight feet. I mean you look at chimps. I
Speaker 3: mean chimps just tear people apart.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think what would be on our side is
Speaker 2: I can't imagine they have great stamina also or and
Speaker 2: but my problem with it would be I can't identify
Speaker 2: a weak point on a gorilla. No where do you go.
Speaker 2: You just got to punch them in the head over
Speaker 2: and over.
Speaker 3: And they have extremely thick skulls. Their brain case is
Speaker 3: not nearly as large as arms, so there's a lot
Speaker 3: more bone around it. And they don't have you know,
Speaker 3: in a fight, you're always talking about reach. Girls got
Speaker 3: us and they don't have chins, so they can't have
Speaker 3: a you know, like a.
Speaker 4: Boxer find the button.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly do they do they.
Speaker 2: Have exposed testicles, like, that's probably not a weak point
Speaker 2: either for them, if you were if you were really
Speaker 2: trying to think, trying to make sure that gross, they're
Speaker 2: just tiny.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just didn't think it was that interesting with questions,
Speaker 3: so I just wrote down a bunch of gorilla stuff
Speaker 3: about my history.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 3: I also forgot to mention when I was I would
Speaker 3: have been nine years old, my parents adopted a zoo baby,
Speaker 3: you know, like adopting. It's an Eastern Lowland gorilla. Female
Speaker 3: adopted it for you at the Cincinnati Zoo, right or
Speaker 3: was it for them? For me, it was a birthday
Speaker 3: or Christmas gift. That's how much I love gorillas. I
Speaker 3: also spent a good deal with my younger years of
Speaker 3: walking around on my knuckles, and I can still here
Speaker 3: today pretty effectively.
Speaker 2: Cal an the clip. Any thoughts on one hundred humans
Speaker 2: versus a grilla in a fight to the death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the movie Congo was great, probably underrated
Speaker 1: by cinophiles amy.
Speaker 3: All that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: But by the time I saw a lot of those movies,
Speaker 4: they had already seemed kind of like outdated to me,
Speaker 4: and not not in a great way, but yeah, they're
Speaker 4: entertaining for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: The biggest shock to me from a revisiting the book
Speaker 3: is that it's set in nineteen seventy iron, So it's
Speaker 3: just you read it as a period piece, then you
Speaker 3: remember that he wrote it in nineteen eighty, and you
Speaker 3: thank god it's it's it's actually very cutting edge.
Speaker 1: So I think where anybody doing battle with the Gorilla
Speaker 1: would really fall short is there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: like trained fighting sports where you're counting on somebody biting you, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's a big, big part of the.
Speaker 3: Grilla development as a discipline.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, as as this debate got heated up online,
Speaker 2: there was a tweet that went viral by someone. Phil
Speaker 2: is going to pull it up here. They built out
Speaker 2: their roster of one hundred people of who they would
Speaker 2: want to fight the Gorilla. Here's some folks that were
Speaker 2: on that list. This tweet got sixteen million views. Fifty
Speaker 2: in his prime Turtleman, I love Turtleman, the Undertaker, the wrestler,
Speaker 2: of course, Nicola Jokic's brothers, Jason Momoa, a random high
Speaker 2: school defensive coordinator, slash history teacher and at number eleven
Speaker 2: in this tweet was Steve Ranella. Steve Varnella made the roster.
Speaker 4: One ahead of Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think he has the frame for it.
Speaker 2: No, No, would you guys want Steve on your your team?
Speaker 1: This is just an ode to Steve. It's not or ability.
Speaker 3: Only if Steve was charged with wearing it down in
Speaker 3: some sort of chase through hilly country.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if there was a debate at the beginning
Speaker 1: that Steve could engage the gorilla on Yeah. Yeah, possibly
Speaker 1: using the communication device and hands signals from the movie Congo.
Speaker 3: It's not in the book. In the book, they're just
Speaker 3: doing old fashioned American sign language. That's an element.
Speaker 2: When I lived back in South Dakota, I played town
Speaker 2: team baseball, which is like from eighteen years old up
Speaker 2: until whenever you retire, some guys playing into their forties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: There was a fan who would come to every game
Speaker 2: and if he'd see you around town, he'd maybe throw
Speaker 2: you a compliment. He'd say, oh, Spencer looking strong today.
Speaker 2: And I always like that that. That's a very nice
Speaker 2: compliment to give to another man. I gave that to
Speaker 2: Steve one day. I said, Steve looking strong today, and
Speaker 2: he didn't care for it. He said, what do you
Speaker 2: want to arm wrestle me or what? So, you know
Speaker 2: maybe what Freud.
Speaker 4: Would say about that, If.
Speaker 2: The gorilla can get Steve worked up, maybe maybe Steve
Speaker 2: would be acceptable on this roster as number eleven in
Speaker 2: the gorilla fighting cage manage. All right, we've determined that
Speaker 2: one hundred humans would easily dominate that gorilla, and we
Speaker 2: think the numbers closer to like twenty.
Speaker 4: Well, sorry, I know you're head for a segue here, Spencer,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw it off completely. Do you think how
Speaker 4: many humans would we lose in the process?
Speaker 3: Oh? I thought about this to a dozen? No, I
Speaker 3: think thirty thirty.
Speaker 2: You think he'd rip through thirty.
Speaker 1: I think you lose thirty percent of that roster at
Speaker 1: game time, like they just go no, No, I.
Speaker 3: Think the initial ten minutes. I just don't. I can't
Speaker 3: imagine what.
Speaker 2: I think. It depends if the fighting happens like a
Speaker 2: Jackie Chan movie where the warriors come at them and
Speaker 2: they like wait their turn. Yeah, we'll lose thirty for sure,
Speaker 2: but we could probably suffocate this thing with like fifteen people.
Speaker 3: The strength is just I don't think he can't.
Speaker 2: He can't punch fifteen people at once.
Speaker 3: I think he could. I think he.
Speaker 1: Could just physically tear them apart.
Speaker 3: I think he could hook us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm just saying I don't care who you are.
Speaker 1: Like you get in the in the cage with a gorilla.
Speaker 1: There's a large part of that roster that's gonna be, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, not worth it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: And Google says that their testicles and penis are quite
Speaker 2: hidden and small as far as primates go, so we
Speaker 2: can't count on that, yeah advantage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's part of one of the issues with
Speaker 1: their genetic depth. Small wieners.
Speaker 2: Right. Moving on, Joining us on the line first is
Speaker 2: Duncan Murdoch, a paleontologist from the University of Oxford Museum
Speaker 2: of Natural History. He's here to talk about the Dinosaur
Speaker 2: Highway that was just discovered in England. Donkey, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 7: Hello, Mornie, how are you.
Speaker 2: We're good? First thing, doc in tell us how these
Speaker 2: two hundred tracks that came to be known as the
Speaker 2: Dinosaur Highway were discovered.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, So there's a quarry in the center of
Speaker 7: England near the city of Oxford where I am, where
Speaker 7: they're removing limestone to crush it up to useless gravel.
Speaker 7: And when they were removing that, they were slowly scraping
Speaker 7: off a layer of clay and the bucket on the
Speaker 7: dig felt a series of little bumps, so they thought, oh,
Speaker 7: that's strange, so they called us in from the museum
Speaker 7: to have a look at them, and we verified that
Speaker 7: they were in fact dinosaur footprints, and then we mounted
Speaker 7: an excavation to uncover the whole site and yeah, we
Speaker 7: found over two hundred individual prints from probably five different
Speaker 7: individual animals.
Speaker 2: That's wonderful now to describe how big the tracks are
Speaker 2: and how long this highway is.
Speaker 7: So most of them are are one kind of dinosaur,
Speaker 7: and they form these oval shapes that are about three
Speaker 7: feet long by about two feet wide and about nine
Speaker 7: inches deep something like that. But we see literally hundreds
Speaker 7: of these prints and they go The longest trackway is
Speaker 7: at least one hundred and fifty meters long, so it's
Speaker 7: a huge area that's crisscrossed with all these individual tracks.
Speaker 2: And how old are the tracks and what kind of
Speaker 2: dinosaur has made them.
Speaker 7: So this surface is from the middle part of the
Speaker 7: Jurassic Period, which is about one hundred and sixty six
Speaker 7: million years ago. At the time, it would have been
Speaker 7: a kind of lagoon near the edge of a continent.
Speaker 7: We see two different shape footprints, so most of them,
Speaker 7: like the one you're seeing on the screen, are quite rare,
Speaker 7: but most of them are these kind of oval shapes
Speaker 7: that would have been from a large bodied, four legged,
Speaker 7: long neck dinosaur, think something like a diplodocus or a brontosaurus. Yeah,
Speaker 7: just like that one there on the screen. And then
Speaker 7: we rarely see these three toad prints. If you've ever
Speaker 7: seen footprints of a wading bird on a beach, you
Speaker 7: see these three toad prints. We see exactly that, and
Speaker 7: they were from a very different kind of animal, the
Speaker 7: two legged, carnivorous meat eating theropod dinosaur called Megalosaurus.
Speaker 2: And does this area in England heavy history of dinosaur discovery.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. In fact, the first dinosaur ever named Megalosaurus. The
Speaker 7: fossils came from a little village called stones Field, just
Speaker 7: a few miles from where we find these footprints, in
Speaker 7: eighteen twenty four.
Speaker 2: It was first name.
Speaker 7: So just over two hundred years ago, so dinosaur science
Speaker 7: it's elf actually started here in Oxfordshire and it was
Speaker 7: really exciting that two hundred years later were still finding
Speaker 7: evidence about these animals in the form of their footprints
Speaker 7: in this quarry and.
Speaker 2: How long was the excavation process and what did that
Speaker 2: look like?
Speaker 7: Okay, So we first discovered these prints a couple of
Speaker 7: years ago and we uncovered a small number of them,
Speaker 7: realized it was a much bigger undertaking, so we put
Speaker 7: together a team between the University of Oxford and the
Speaker 7: University of Birmingham. Was myself, my colleague doctor m and Nichols,
Speaker 7: my colleagues Professor Kirsty Edgar, Professor Richard Butler in Birmingham,
Speaker 7: and we then put together a team of about one
Speaker 7: hundred people over the course of a week where we
Speaker 7: went out every day. Most of the time we were
Speaker 7: painstakingly removing a layer of clay that fills and covers
Speaker 7: these prints to uncover the hard limestone underneath, so carefully
Speaker 7: removing it with trowels and then sponging out the clay,
Speaker 7: eventually uncovering the whole site. Then there's a process of
Speaker 7: documentation where we took literally tens of thousands of photographs
Speaker 7: to try and capture every single print, as well as
Speaker 7: flying drones to capture the entire site and image the
Speaker 7: whole thing before it's then reburied.
Speaker 2: Now, you said that this area was a lagoon one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty six million years ago. Talk more about
Speaker 2: what England as a whole looked like at that period.
Speaker 2: How that's different from today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a really good question. So around say one
Speaker 7: hundred and sixt six million years ago, in the middle
Speaker 7: of the Jurassic, the continents as we know them today
Speaker 7: were starting to form. So there used to be this
Speaker 7: huge continent called Pangaea where pretty much all the continental
Speaker 7: land masses were together through the early part of the Jurassic,
Speaker 7: and these continents were breaking apart, so things like the
Speaker 7: Atlantic Ocean were forming. This created lots of volcanism, lots
Speaker 7: of volcano erupting in the rifting, and it created these
Speaker 7: shallow inland seaways that were forming as this continent was
Speaker 7: breaking apart. So England at the time in the middle
Speaker 7: Jurassic was underneath one of these shallow seaways. So if
Speaker 7: you imagine something like the Florida Keys today or the
Speaker 7: Bahamas Bank where you have these shallow seas with these
Speaker 7: beautiful clear waters with white sand being deposited, and nearby
Speaker 7: you have rivers washing materially into kind of in mangrove swamps,
Speaker 7: producing these lagoons behind where you get these sheltered environments.
Speaker 7: And it's in one of these lagoon environments that these
Speaker 7: dinosaurs were walking along, walking along what would have been
Speaker 7: a coastline one hundred and sixty six million years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there were multiple dinosaurs who created this dinosaur highway.
Speaker 2: Do you think those dinosaurs interacted or was you know,
Speaker 2: these separated by potentially days years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So the conditions needed to form these prints are
Speaker 7: very rare. So you need the mud to be just right.
Speaker 7: If you have mud that's too wet, then when you
Speaker 7: pull your foot out, it's just going to fill back
Speaker 7: in that hole. If the MUD's too dry, then even
Speaker 7: a tent on animal like Ctosaurus can't make a lasting impression.
Speaker 7: So we think these surfaces were only just right for
Speaker 7: probably a matter of weeks, maybe months, certainly within one season.
Speaker 7: So what we do find is lots of most of
Speaker 7: the prints are from the same kind of dinosaur, but
Speaker 7: we find lots of different sizes so there's potential evidence
Speaker 7: that these animals were moving in herds, showing a kind
Speaker 7: of herding behavior with different individuals of different ages moving around.
Speaker 7: Then the therapod princes meat eating Megalosaurus, they cross where
Speaker 7: we see these larger herbivorous animals walking along. Although we
Speaker 7: don't see any direct interaction between them, it's pretty safe
Speaker 7: to assume that if you're a big meat eating dinosaur,
Speaker 7: you're going to look for big plant eating dinosaurs to
Speaker 7: prey upon. So there's a potential that we have interactions
Speaker 7: between predator and prey, but we can't be sure because
Speaker 7: all we're seeing these individual prints. But what we can
Speaker 7: say is each one of those footprints is a single
Speaker 7: moment in the life of an extinct animal. So we
Speaker 7: get this amazing unique window into that very moment when
Speaker 7: that animal put that foot in that exact location, and
Speaker 7: you can go and put your foot in exactly the
Speaker 7: same place. It's absolutely thrilling to do.
Speaker 2: So from their brief window, what sorts of things can
Speaker 2: paleontalogists learn.
Speaker 7: So we're able to do things like reconstruct the environment
Speaker 7: that these animals are living in. So as well as
Speaker 7: the dinosaur footprints, we find smaller fossils, we find seashells,
Speaker 7: we find bits of wood. We can also do things
Speaker 7: that work out how fast these animals might have been moving.
Speaker 7: So most of them seem to be moving at a
Speaker 7: kind of average human walking pace, and so none of
Speaker 7: them are going very fast. And we can estimate body
Speaker 7: sizes from the spacing of the prince within the biggest
Speaker 7: individuals for probably about sixteen meters long for the herbivores
Speaker 7: and about eight or nine meters for the carnivores. And
Speaker 7: we can also observe these interactions between species, so we
Speaker 7: know that these two different species of dinosaur were in
Speaker 7: the same place at roughly the same time, so we
Speaker 7: can start to build a more complex picture of the
Speaker 7: whole environment that they lived in.
Speaker 4: Duncan.
Speaker 1: This is an active quarry, that's right. What's the fate
Speaker 1: of these tracks?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's still an active quarry. They're still extracting limestone.
Speaker 7: It's worth saying that if they hadn't been a quarrying
Speaker 7: this stone, we would have never found the Prince. Is
Speaker 7: absolutely because of this quarrying activity that we're able to
Speaker 7: do this work and they don't extract the stone that
Speaker 7: the prints are in it's no good. It's too it's
Speaker 7: too soft and material, and so they aren't being damaged
Speaker 7: or destroyed in any way by the action of the
Speaker 7: of the quarry.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the meat Eater Land Access
Speaker 1: Initiative where we provide access to more outdoor activity on
Speaker 1: on land here in the States. Primarily what are the
Speaker 1: chances that we don't need one of the fancy three
Speaker 1: toad ones, but one of the oval tracks getting shipped
Speaker 1: over here so we can action it off for public access.
Speaker 7: So there's a there's a few problems. One is if
Speaker 7: you try and actually cut out the prince, they basically
Speaker 7: fall apart. You can only really see them in the field.
Speaker 7: So right now they're not accessible and they're getting recovered
Speaker 7: with to actually protect them, that's the best thing to do.
Speaker 7: But we're working very closely with the quarry and Natural England,
Speaker 7: who are the body that oversee these kinds of things
Speaker 7: here in the UK, for plans for potential future access.
Speaker 7: What you can do though, is you can virtually visit
Speaker 7: this site. So we've created a three D model of
Speaker 7: the whole area and not every single individual print. We're
Speaker 7: currently working up publishing that and we're going to make
Speaker 7: that publicly available to anyone in the world to download,
Speaker 7: so you can virtually visit. So hopefully that will satisfy.
Speaker 7: The other thing you can do is come to Oxford,
Speaker 7: come to the Museum of Natural History, and we have
Speaker 7: casts replicas of the prints on display at the moment,
Speaker 7: So if any of your listeners are in the UK,
Speaker 7: please do come to Oxford. You can get up close
Speaker 7: and personal with a replica of the print.
Speaker 2: Very exciting stuff. Thank you for joining us, dug In
Speaker 2: and congrats on that discovery.
Speaker 7: No Parblan, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I like to tell there was a clear convergence of
Speaker 1: trails there. Oh yeah, like the ancient U version of
Speaker 1: a white tail hunter had just post up right there.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's uh. You'd call that a pinch point.
Speaker 2: Right here along this lagoon, we've got the shallow water ends.
Speaker 2: Obviously dinosaurs like crossing this spot.
Speaker 4: Wait, I was.
Speaker 3: Sweet, all right?
Speaker 2: Next up is the Turkey Report. Is there a sound
Speaker 2: for this?
Speaker 4: I don't have a sound for the I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I thought I heard a sound. Last week I played.
Speaker 4: I played this.
Speaker 3: Here we go, Bud, he's looking for the Turkey Report.
Speaker 2: Today. We've got updates from Seth Morris, Max Barta, and
Speaker 2: Tony Peterson.
Speaker 8: Take it away, Phil, all right, Seth Morris here, coming
Speaker 8: at you from Region one in Montana with your weekly
Speaker 8: turkey report.
Speaker 9: It's been a tough weekend of hunting. The birds are
Speaker 9: the most hend up that I've seen so far this season.
Speaker 9: It's even tough to get a bird to break around
Speaker 9: that you know, ten to two time period, which is
Speaker 9: usually some good killing hours. But I've been seeing gobblers
Speaker 9: with hens all day long. They're just not leaving them,
Speaker 9: and so that's made the hunting real tough, but.
Speaker 4: Kind of gotta do. You can get a bird on
Speaker 4: the ground.
Speaker 9: I killed this one because I finally was able to
Speaker 9: call the hens in and he came in with the hens,
Speaker 9: but I couldn't get him to break from the hens.
Speaker 9: So any way I could do it was getting the
Speaker 9: hens to come in. And my wife, Kelsey, who's with
Speaker 9: us too, she killed a bird yesterday morning.
Speaker 2: So goodness.
Speaker 4: That's your report. Good luck out there.
Speaker 1: Hey guys.
Speaker 6: Max Barter here, Central Tennessee Hunt Report. Things are weird
Speaker 6: right now and it's the first week in May.
Speaker 10: I feel like the birds have gone past their primetime
Speaker 10: breeding cycle, and they're kind of on the downslope of things.
Speaker 10: Birds are gobbling on the roost a couple of times,
Speaker 10: but not much. And then yeah, I feel like once
Speaker 10: they hit the ground and they're just not too keen
Speaker 10: on coming into hank calls. So yeah, things are tough,
Speaker 10: but I feel like if you stick it out and
Speaker 10: work some ground, you'll find a bird that wants to gobble.
Speaker 10: You only need one gobble and like you're in the game.
Speaker 10: So that's what I did here. This bird came about
Speaker 10: ten thirty, and yeah, it was. It was a great hunt.
Speaker 10: And yeah, it's been raining the last couple of days too,
Speaker 10: so I don't know if that's got the gobbling all
Speaker 10: mixed up or anything like that. So yeah, beautiful day.
Speaker 6: Happy camper, happy hunter, springs a beautiful thing.
Speaker 11: Hey everyone, Tony Peterson here with a little turkey report.
Speaker 11: I just got back from Kansas. Had an amazing hunt
Speaker 11: down there in public Land, killed a bird, and I
Speaker 11: just spent today, you know, drying out some beards, drying
Speaker 11: out some tail. Fans from my daughters have killed a
Speaker 11: few birds. I've killed a few in different states. The
Speaker 11: hunting has been really good, but it has been kind
Speaker 11: of a weird year, and I'm starting to see a
Speaker 11: little transition right now where a lot of these birds
Speaker 11: are switching to eating a lot of bugs, and the
Speaker 11: hens are starting to nest. My whole drive home from Kansas,
Speaker 11: all the way back here to Minnesota, there were lone
Speaker 11: hens all over the place in the afternoon. And when
Speaker 11: I see that, I don't know if you can hear
Speaker 11: this or not, but there's a whole bunch of frogs
Speaker 11: calling in my backyard pond. This is the time where
Speaker 11: if you've been dealing with hend up birds, which a
Speaker 11: lot of us have, should get really callable now.
Speaker 2: Not right off the roost yet.
Speaker 11: They might fly down strut for those hens for a while.
Speaker 11: But those hens are gonna eat some bugs, They're gonna
Speaker 11: scratch for some grain whatever, eat some fresh greenery. They're
Speaker 11: gonna lay down, and these times are gonna start cruising.
Speaker 11: And we always think that we're gonna hit that, you know,
Speaker 11: a little bit earlier this far north. You know, down south,
Speaker 11: it's a different story. But right now is the time
Speaker 11: where if you have, if you have the ability to
Speaker 11: hunt all day and work some setups through and fire
Speaker 11: up that gobbler. Sometime in the midday or in the
Speaker 11: in towards the evening. This is the time when it
Speaker 11: matters a lot and it can get really good. So
Speaker 11: I think it's I think they're gonna be super callable
Speaker 11: from here for the next I don't know, ten days
Speaker 11: or so, probably two weeks maybe, So it's a good
Speaker 11: time to be out there.
Speaker 3: Good luck.
Speaker 2: Wow, three big time turkey killers there in Tony, Max
Speaker 2: and Seth. We got a global show today. We got
Speaker 2: dinosaur tracks from the UK, turkey reports from Middle Tennessee,
Speaker 2: got everything.
Speaker 1: I was dying to ask our dino guy if he
Speaker 1: was a feather guy, to like, are they just big turkeys?
Speaker 3: Mmm? I was I was dying to actually ask him
Speaker 3: if the long neck dinosaurs he was referring to our
Speaker 3: Sora pods, just to test my knowledge. But I didn't
Speaker 3: want to sound like an idiot.
Speaker 2: So you've always both had a chance to ask him
Speaker 2: those questions.
Speaker 4: I didn't think you have.
Speaker 3: So many questions the University of Oxford. I was shaking
Speaker 3: in my chance.
Speaker 4: What's your favorite dinosaur? Oh?
Speaker 2: You know what, that would have been good place they.
Speaker 4: Could run fast. Sad you think a hundred velociraptors could
Speaker 4: kill a gorilla.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he use all of Timmy's bad dinosaur jokes from
Speaker 3: another Michael Crichton joint, Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2: Do you think I wasn't on last week's episode, but
Speaker 2: I heard Phil give himself an invite to Randall's turkey hunt.
Speaker 2: Are you aware of this? Randall?
Speaker 3: Vaguely, I've tried to invite Phil to turkey hunts that
Speaker 3: other people have invited me on.
Speaker 12: Huh uh.
Speaker 3: There isn't really a Randall turn turkey hunt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. I wasn't inviting myself to any
Speaker 4: sort of pre planned hunt. I said, you know, I
Speaker 4: think it'd be fun if Randall wanted to go turkey hunting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that I joined it. I didn't invite myself. That was
Speaker 4: a rude phrasing and I don't stand for it.
Speaker 2: Phil, you should invite yourself exactly what.
Speaker 3: I just tried to invite myself on the Max's turkey
Speaker 3: hunting calendar for next week. So okay, if if Max
Speaker 3: fits me in, Phil, uh clear your calendar?
Speaker 4: All right? You would? So you'll invite me to maxis yes,
Speaker 4: and we won't. We just won't tell Max.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'll tell Max. But he's pretty easy going.
Speaker 4: Okay, that'd be wonderful. That sounds like a blast.
Speaker 3: I just like the vibe of Max's video. It sort
Speaker 3: of started out. I wasn't sure where it was going.
Speaker 3: But these turkey guys love the reveal where they can
Speaker 3: just twist their body a little corn change, the alter
Speaker 3: the angle of the camera.
Speaker 4: Tough.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of guys could do it, did the
Speaker 1: same things we go outside.
Speaker 4: But this guy made a mistake.
Speaker 3: Guy, the guy of Max's eye can pull that off
Speaker 3: with a turkey, but not like a bull moose. I'd
Speaker 3: like to just see how large of an animal I
Speaker 3: can hide with my torso in a video.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, Phil did not invite himself, but that's me
Speaker 2: telling Phil he should invite himself that way into a
Speaker 2: turkey hunt. Rail all right, we're halfway through the show.
Speaker 2: Let's get a break for some listener feedback.
Speaker 4: Sure, let's let's start out with the big one. Jody says,
Speaker 4: can cal expand on the late Night Amendment to sell
Speaker 4: public lands in the House budget package, and.
Speaker 3: In parentheses it says in under two minutes, I.
Speaker 1: Think, okay, yeah, okay, very very quickly. Reconciliation is super
Speaker 1: scary because there is a process a public process that
Speaker 1: allows for the sale of small parcels of public land
Speaker 1: to address all the needs that these people are saying
Speaker 1: they're trying to address, such as public housing, infrastructure, restraints
Speaker 1: on rural communities, et cetera. In reconciliation, they're trying to
Speaker 1: push this through under the normal process. Sorry to back
Speaker 1: up one second, under the normal process, which would be
Speaker 1: like flippa and flip moa, lots of acronyms in the
Speaker 1: government game, we can deal with giving up some parcels
Speaker 1: of public land because that cash then goes towards the
Speaker 1: purchase of lands of greater value for the American people.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of built on a win win system.
Speaker 1: The municipality that's constrained gets a little more space for
Speaker 1: water projects or housing in this case, and we the
Speaker 1: American people, get a quote unquote better chunk of ground.
Speaker 1: It's a square fair deal. This reconciliation BS, if I'm
Speaker 1: being frank, is not going to ding our national debt
Speaker 1: at all. There's absolutely no guidelines say this is how
Speaker 1: it's going to address the sale of land, the staking
Speaker 1: of our federally managed public lands with a big for
Speaker 1: sale sign. There's no guidelines that say this is how
Speaker 1: it's going to alleviate housing or provide any value for
Speaker 1: the American people. Add some context, explain sale will go
Speaker 1: into the treasury. The dollars from that sale will go
Speaker 1: into the treasury. There's no public process.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Spencer, explain what happened last night at midnight
Speaker 2: as to why this is being brought up.
Speaker 1: Basically, there's a very short timeline to get this budget through.
Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend is like the goal, the stated goal
Speaker 1: from the outset. So folks are starting to scramble, and
Speaker 1: when you're scrambling, there's opportunities to slide in things to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll totally give you what you want, but here's this
Speaker 1: thing that you got to sign off on. And so
Speaker 1: at eleven last night, Arizona and Utah slid in this
Speaker 1: provision for the sale of public lands. Right now, there's
Speaker 1: no context as to how many acres that is, but
Speaker 1: we're hearing numbers as high as six hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand acres, which is something that you can't do under
Speaker 1: the Flipma process. And we don't know how these lands
Speaker 1: have been selected what they're trying to address. All we
Speaker 1: know is this is a major opportunity for folks that
Speaker 1: want to get this done. And by and large, the
Speaker 1: vast majority of the American public do not agree with this.
Speaker 1: So this is a very small group of interests being
Speaker 1: prioritized over we the American people, and nobody should stand
Speaker 1: for this. You need to get on the horns with
Speaker 1: your senators and representatives in the House. And I've been
Speaker 1: doing this all morning and a last night. It's not
Speaker 1: that hard, but you need to send your emails, your
Speaker 1: phone calls and talk to staffers and say, hey, I
Speaker 1: do not like where this is headed.
Speaker 2: And for more on this, we've got coverage on the
Speaker 2: medeater dot com. We just published an article Republicans vote
Speaker 2: to sell public land in midnight Amendment. You'll get a
Speaker 2: fuller story there.
Speaker 1: And it's like, we're selling things that can make us
Speaker 1: money and when you're trying to dig yourself out of debt,
Speaker 1: that's not what you do.
Speaker 2: Bill. What else you got?
Speaker 4: McKenna says, let's go Oklahoma City. What do you think
Speaker 4: about that? Spencer?
Speaker 2: I was just an ass whooping of epic proportions last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That Mitchell follows up with what the Nuggets need to
Speaker 4: do to make the fix from last night.
Speaker 3: Ruffalos.
Speaker 2: I'll be real quick. Michael Porter Junior is not good enough.
Speaker 2: He's way too hurt. Jamal Murray has not been a
Speaker 2: second fiddle lately. He's good enough to be a third fiddle,
Speaker 2: he's not been good enough to be a second fiddle.
Speaker 2: And we have two shallow of a bench. So a
Speaker 2: lot of issues that can't be fixed with basketball. You
Speaker 2: just see Nicola Jokic to go god mode.
Speaker 3: That's in big Westbrook energy. That's right.
Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook has been phenomenal. Good on ross.
Speaker 4: Fun to see us anything else from Dan Pooper real
Speaker 4: name A question for the lads. Do you guys have
Speaker 4: a vintage piece of gear do you prefer or think
Speaker 4: is superior to modern current? It's dB Pooper. Oh, that's good.
Speaker 4: That is good.
Speaker 3: When I was at the when I was at the
Speaker 3: Blazers game, I don't remember the guy's initials. One of
Speaker 3: the one of the rotation guys for the for the Blazers,
Speaker 3: his initials are dB. And when it's score, they go
Speaker 3: dB Hooper and they had like a sketch, you know
Speaker 3: if dB Cooper, but it was the player's face in there.
Speaker 3: I thought it was very clever.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because he landed not not too far.
Speaker 2: From back to mister pooper here, Cal, any vintage piece
Speaker 2: of gear that you really really.
Speaker 1: Like, knives, hatchets, axes, all those things can be multiple
Speaker 1: lifetime pieces of year. I think everybody's got something that
Speaker 1: they're attached to in that lineup. Also, can't beat just
Speaker 1: cannot be a good pair of wool pants for out
Speaker 1: outdoor activities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, knife is a good one. Dutch oven too, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 1: Cast iron.
Speaker 2: Got an old Dutch oven that I really love, and
Speaker 2: that's the Dutch oven all on for the rest of
Speaker 2: my life, I think, randall anything to add.
Speaker 3: I think the closest thing I have to a vintage
Speaker 3: piece of gear that easily comes to mind is just
Speaker 3: an old ass grum and canoe. It's just a timeless piece. Yeah,
Speaker 3: craigslist score. Yeah, it will serve you well.
Speaker 6: Phil.
Speaker 2: Let's do one more and then we're gonna move on.
Speaker 4: Sure, because we got Cal in the room. Not that
Speaker 4: you two are, you know? Flying Taco Mouse says he's
Speaker 4: making or they're making green ear stuffed bred today. Any
Speaker 4: suggestions for what dish to pair it with? Guessing wild game,
Speaker 4: we're talking here whoa man sink? Yeah, that's stinky cheese.
Speaker 4: Any any sort of any any sort of a pairing.
Speaker 1: You'd yeah, media, I mean just medium rare cut against
Speaker 1: the grain meat that sounds delicious.
Speaker 4: Maybe a little fresh.
Speaker 1: Onion on there, like that too.
Speaker 4: There you go make it extra stinky.
Speaker 10: All right.
Speaker 2: Our next segment is one minute Fishing.
Speaker 9: Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 2: We'll do you dunk, go ahead, make my cast. One
Speaker 2: minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's
Speaker 2: fishing and they have one minute to catch fish, and
Speaker 2: if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars donation
Speaker 2: to a conservation group. This week, our wrangler is Seth Morris,
Speaker 2: who's at the meat Eater HQ pond and he's fishing
Speaker 2: for a donation to Wiley is Unlimited.
Speaker 3: Good to see us, Seth, Hey, guys, how are we doing.
Speaker 2: We're doing good? Seth. Give us a little scouting report
Speaker 2: on the meat eater pond today.
Speaker 9: All right, So I came out earlier. I made a
Speaker 9: couple casts. I had one swipe at it, which was
Speaker 9: ideal because I didn't actually want to catch one, and
Speaker 9: that told me all I need to know. So there's
Speaker 9: some water flowing into this pond and seems like they're
Speaker 9: stacked up over there in the current.
Speaker 2: What's the water couler do you like today?
Speaker 9: It's pretty good. I'd say three feet four feet. And
Speaker 9: I will say, though, we just talked to a youngster
Speaker 9: that was fishing in the same spot when we came
Speaker 9: out here, and he said he had not caught anything.
Speaker 1: Oh no, But did you give me the old brush
Speaker 1: off where you're like, oh yeah, there's nothing in there.
Speaker 4: Beat it.
Speaker 3: Maybe you thought you were a jump.
Speaker 9: When you get a few more years of experience under
Speaker 9: your belt like I have, maybe you'll catch them.
Speaker 2: What what are we using today, Seth? I see you
Speaker 2: got the spinning rod in your hands.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, spinning rod as always number four panther Martin.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to every child needs one of those.
Speaker 2: It's right. We have not had a successful angler on
Speaker 2: the meat eater pond yet, and this is our first
Speaker 2: one minute fishing of the year since the ice has melted,
Speaker 2: so maybe this is our chance. Seth.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say this is the best time to
Speaker 9: fish this pond. Oh ye, all right, experience, we'll see.
Speaker 2: A little hot tip off.
Speaker 3: How's the garbage situation? Down there, good flow.
Speaker 9: Well, I noticed over here is a pile of plastic
Speaker 9: bottles yep, okay, which isn't great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna do clean up on that on Monday.
Speaker 3: As an office uh huh.
Speaker 2: And we've got I think we've got as many employees
Speaker 2: here as there are pieces of trash out there, So
Speaker 2: maybe leave some garbage while you're out there, Seth, trip
Speaker 2: over or dump over the dumpster so we have something
Speaker 2: to clean up next week.
Speaker 9: Oh, there is a garbage can of tipped over over here.
Speaker 2: So okay, perfect, kick that thing into the water for us.
Speaker 2: All right, Seth, your one minute of fishing starts as
Speaker 2: soon as you make your first cast.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right, there we go.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Seth's made his first cast right towards the
Speaker 2: current that he thinks the fish are hanging in.
Speaker 4: Got new music, Phil, Oh No, it just starts off
Speaker 4: really silent and then gets way too loud.
Speaker 2: Beautiful day here in Bozeman. We've got green grass, no wind.
Speaker 3: Had a glassy water.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. All right, Seth is on the cast number two,
Speaker 2: and he's got twenty seconds into his one minute.
Speaker 3: Somehow he managed to avoid casting it into that tree
Speaker 3: where I cast.
Speaker 2: It, Seth thirty seconds ago. Come on, Seth, he's making
Speaker 2: his third cast. He might be able to get one
Speaker 2: more cast in here.
Speaker 3: Do it for the memory of Chester.
Speaker 2: All right, ches's still very much alive, just a few
Speaker 2: states away, basically dead. All right, you have ten seconds
Speaker 2: to go, Seth. Always taken a few steps with that cast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tournament angler cast right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, your time is up, Seth Morris, tell us, tell
Speaker 2: us what what happened there? Seth?
Speaker 9: Well, you know, the cast were in the right spot,
Speaker 9: the technique was there, just I don't think the fish
Speaker 9: were there.
Speaker 2: The fish were yeah, yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 9: We might need to rethink.
Speaker 2: Spot or we need to we need to stock that pond.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what we gotta do.
Speaker 3: This segment continues to just produce.
Speaker 9: I think next time we need to go with a
Speaker 9: bobber and a night crawler.
Speaker 2: Yeah or yeah, do one of each? Have that? Have
Speaker 2: a bobber and a night crawler out there and throw
Speaker 2: your panther Martin.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if he's in a two rob zone.
Speaker 4: Check check the eggs.
Speaker 2: We'll see what the REGs say about the mediatory h
Speaker 2: Q pond all right, Seth, thanks for joining us. Good
Speaker 2: luck with your day of fishing out there at the pond.
Speaker 3: Seeing a little bit says we'll see you.
Speaker 2: All right. Our next segment is show and tell.
Speaker 12: Mm hmm, Manie a show down, Manie a show had
Speaker 12: step boom, Manie a show.
Speaker 2: No, Spencer brought a rock?
Speaker 4: What else did you inspect?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is that Steve Winwood? It is indeed Steve Winwood.
Speaker 4: I love a song.
Speaker 2: Uh back in the high life again. If I owned
Speaker 2: a yacht, I'd play yacht rock all day and Steve
Speaker 2: Winwood he.
Speaker 4: Would yacht rock all day in my Hyundai Santa Fe. Spencer,
Speaker 4: do you have serious ExM No, I just spotify plist. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love when I did have serious though I would.
Speaker 2: Yacht rock was one of my five presets on there.
Speaker 2: I loved yacht rock and Steve Winwood he would have
Speaker 2: some prime real estate in that yacht rock playlist for certain.
Speaker 2: All right, Randal, let's start with you. What did you
Speaker 2: bring to show the classroom today?
Speaker 3: I brought one item from home, and then when I
Speaker 3: got to the off today, I thought I'd add another
Speaker 3: item today, and I figured that col didn't bring something,
Speaker 3: so I thought, I'll just do twos.
Speaker 2: What you brought, and then we'll find out.
Speaker 3: So the first thing I brought, The first thing I
Speaker 3: brought is a rare limited edition. You know, we've been
Speaker 3: hearing from the fans that they needed a book version
Speaker 3: of the audio Mountain Man. This is, in fact not
Speaker 3: a licensed version. This is just some bootleg thing that
Speaker 3: a guy produced with chat, GPT and A and a
Speaker 3: print as you buy system. So I saw this on Amazon,
Speaker 3: and before the lawyers could take it down, I ordered
Speaker 3: a copy for eleven dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, this guy didn't do this is like a
Speaker 2: favor to us. He was trying, no, no legit.
Speaker 3: This was just show showed up on her on our
Speaker 3: audiobook thing. Yeah, and so it's it doesn't have a
Speaker 3: back cover, and it's it's very strange.
Speaker 4: There's like, so to create your own back cover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and clearly they fed so that The one
Speaker 3: troubling thing, and maybe this is a big takeaway, is
Speaker 3: you hear how like artificial intelligence is getting so good
Speaker 3: and it's just like all it can do is is
Speaker 3: look at text and predict what text there should be,
Speaker 3: you know, And I read this and it's horrible.
Speaker 2: Oh and so are not your words that are well right?
Speaker 3: They fed our audio into chat ept and they had
Speaker 3: it make something that sounded like that. And so this
Speaker 3: is so bad it's making me sort of rethink my
Speaker 3: own abilities as a writer.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I just got word from Corey Seth Coott went
Speaker 4: on the next cast.
Speaker 2: We need to make it.
Speaker 3: So, guys, if you see if you see any print
Speaker 3: versions of our audiobooks, they are in fact illegal pirated versions,
Speaker 3: and don't buy them unless you just want a funny keepsake,
Speaker 3: which I did.
Speaker 2: So you should have got what was that guy charging
Speaker 2: for that box? Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The next thing I brought is uh the oldest, the
Speaker 3: oldest and more most celebrate freeze dried meal in my pantry.
Speaker 3: This is a Cincinnati style chili backpacker's pantry that I
Speaker 3: purchased at the Bozeman ARII. I believe in like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Oh when did it expire?
Speaker 3: The expiration date was in May of last year. Oh,
Speaker 3: and you can see some of the labels are peeling
Speaker 3: off of it. And I've always saved this for a
Speaker 3: real special occasion and uh ate it right now. The
Speaker 3: time is never right, so it always goes into my
Speaker 3: backpack when I'm going out on a hunt where I
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna, you know, have a memorable moment that
Speaker 3: I want to celebrate with a fake version of Cincinnati
Speaker 3: style chili.
Speaker 2: What would it take?
Speaker 3: You think, big old, big old bowl? But then I
Speaker 3: get into a rush, you know, I get an animal down,
Speaker 3: I start cutting it up, and then I start thinking
Speaker 3: about how I can get it out of there. So
Speaker 3: it's really like I'd have to be trapped on the
Speaker 3: mountain with the an animal of a lifetime for me
Speaker 3: to actually tear the seal on this, because I don't
Speaker 3: think they make it anymore.
Speaker 2: How does the seal feel on that thing? It's eight
Speaker 2: years old?
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 2: Pretty good.
Speaker 3: You know it doesn't like balloon out?
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
Speaker 3: When I yeah, I don't think it's airtight. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: just I hadn't really thought about it. I've rolled it
Speaker 3: up and put in my backpack a lot over.
Speaker 2: The past ten years, gone with though on a lot
Speaker 2: of trips.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's kind of like an old friend.
Speaker 2: Now, was it saved for a special occasion the day
Speaker 2: you bought it? Or did that recently change where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now I was.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was thrilled when I found it, and
Speaker 3: I should have bought a lot of them. It wasn't No,
Speaker 3: I didn't like buy it with the intention of saving it,
Speaker 3: but it just never felt right to break into it.
Speaker 3: And then over time it was like, I've got to
Speaker 3: pick the right occasion. So probably three years after this
Speaker 3: went in and out of my backpack, I decided it's
Speaker 3: a real thing to actually eat it someday, And to
Speaker 3: be honest, I don't know that I ever will. I
Speaker 3: think my best days are behind me, and I also
Speaker 3: lack the courage of conviction required to do something like,
Speaker 3: you know, taking a moment and celebrate my accomplishments.
Speaker 2: So I hope it happens this fall y, Does that
Speaker 2: mean you killed something big?
Speaker 3: Well, tuck this under my arm pit when I'm heading
Speaker 3: six feet under.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good, cat. What'd you bring today for show
Speaker 2: and tell? Prove Randa wrong at least taking a shoe off?
Speaker 4: All right? What do you got here? Just incredibly on brand?
Speaker 4: Do we have a QVC style? Just imagine we're playing
Speaker 4: playing the music from the countdown? Just some some socks.
Speaker 1: Lots of folks were into crocks I discovered these birken
Speaker 1: Stocks versions of a croc. You can call them a
Speaker 1: Burkeen croc. Oh lighter weight, I'll be the judge of
Speaker 1: that lighter weight obviously weight class. Here, great camp shoe,
Speaker 1: backpacking shoe.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And you know it's retal molded, doesn't stinko super comfey.
Speaker 2: Good smell it, Randall, see if it smells or not?
Speaker 3: No, you got to smell the insider.
Speaker 2: H yeah, well yeah it's good. Let Randall. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying smell it.
Speaker 3: No, it smells like feet. It literally just smells like
Speaker 3: a shoe.
Speaker 1: But I highly recommend they were thirty bucks.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Cal's show intel item with the shoes on
Speaker 2: his feet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good. Grant Grant asks is it breathable?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 4: No, well okay, I can't have it all not much
Speaker 4: of a QBC.
Speaker 3: Second, all right, my Show and Tell item, Well we'll
Speaker 3: get better phil and and and listeners. Listeners if you're
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 4: Uh but wait, there's more.
Speaker 3: Chime in with your thoughts on whether or not Cal
Speaker 3: intended to use his shoe for Show and Tell today.
Speaker 2: Why don't you show us that hoodie you were? And
Speaker 2: uh maybe maybe the Eddie mug you're drinking out of
Speaker 2: next time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no problem.
Speaker 1: I was going to do this talk about this program
Speaker 1: that Pheasants Forever Quail Forever together.
Speaker 2: Well, you got to say something for more show and tells.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully that show tell is is the winter time
Speaker 3: again when he has as many layers as he needs
Speaker 3: to come up with a good item.
Speaker 1: Providing value to our audience.
Speaker 2: Huh, my show and tell it. I'm friends with the
Speaker 2: fossil dealer in Utah. It's visiting visiting his shop, and
Speaker 2: I had two hundred dollars cash in my pickup and
Speaker 2: I said, Seth, Seth, what's the coolest thing I could
Speaker 2: get for two hundred dollars? And he pointed to what
Speaker 2: I have here. This is one I only have like
Speaker 2: three rocks that I've ever bought. The rest that I've found,
Speaker 2: and this, in honor of today's show, is a dinosaur
Speaker 2: tract that he sold me far far far under value.
Speaker 2: This is worth way more than two hundred dollars. And
Speaker 2: I protested for a second. I says, Seth, you can't
Speaker 2: give me that thing for two hundred dollars, and he said,
Speaker 2: sure I can, And so I didn't argue anymore. I
Speaker 2: just took that dang track. This is two hundred million
Speaker 2: years old. It's from a delufhosauruss Delafosaurus. It's found in
Speaker 2: Connecticut from the Portland Formation. Hmm. This dinosaur was made
Speaker 2: famous in Jurassic Park, but they depicted them way way wrong.
Speaker 3: A lot of creative liberties. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in Jurassic Park they had them as like a
Speaker 2: smaller dinosaur that had frills. When it would get angry,
Speaker 2: it would would pop these frills off on.
Speaker 3: Them spit in acidic venom. That's Dennis Nedri when he
Speaker 3: wrecked his cheap to Costa Rica.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, he needed that. It did spit venom in
Speaker 2: the movie. These dinosaurs, Uh, they do not believe spit venom.
Speaker 2: They don't think there was any dinosaurs that even possessed venom,
Speaker 2: so that those were a lot of creative liberties.
Speaker 4: The reality is actually it wouldn't be venom though, right.
Speaker 1: It was just like an acidic phlegm, which would be
Speaker 1: something that reptiles some reptiles these days have right, it's
Speaker 1: just an acid to digest food.
Speaker 2: But palaeontologists don't. They have no evidence that any of
Speaker 2: these dinosaurs had any kind of venom or or any
Speaker 2: sort of biological functions.
Speaker 3: Right, It was just going wild with that.
Speaker 1: But that that's the fun part is we don't have
Speaker 1: that much evidence sure as to what exactly.
Speaker 2: What they do think they know about these dinosaurs. This
Speaker 2: is one of the first large meat eating dinosaurs that existed.
Speaker 2: They stood about six feet tall, twenty feet long, weighed
Speaker 2: nine hundred pounds, and at the time this was the
Speaker 2: largest land mammal in North America that made this here track.
Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite rocks.
Speaker 1: Put your hand next to that thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's tiny. Yeah, That's what's funny about Jurassic Park
Speaker 3: is that he makes the the Delaphosaurus a small, sort
Speaker 3: of cute dinosaur, and then the velociraptor. They make much larger,
Speaker 3: way larger than it was. So you know, do your research, kids.
Speaker 2: That's right, It's one of my favorite rocks. I have
Speaker 2: one of the few rocks that I've purchased. I asked Seth,
Speaker 2: I says, Seth, you ever sold stuff to us to
Speaker 2: anyone really famous, like a list celebrity or big politician.
Speaker 2: And he says, yep, Carl, who are they? He says,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. And then I'm like, well, I
Speaker 2: begged him. I said, will you give me a hint?
Speaker 2: Can I make some guesses? He goes nope. So if
Speaker 2: you're looking to if you're a famous personal.
Speaker 4: I mean just between the the movie prop that they
Speaker 4: you can't say what it's from. Why are these people
Speaker 4: so secretive about this?
Speaker 3: Just tell us, Yeah, we're in showbiz, we can take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you're looking if maybe if you were
Speaker 2: like a star on Parks and Rec and you consume
Speaker 2: me eater content, you're looking for a fossil for your
Speaker 2: own home. Seth Sorenson from the Fossil Shack, he could up.
Speaker 1: And from the inside knowledge is that from Spencer's Hollywood
Speaker 1: Reporter beat is somebody from Parks and Rec.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a few characters from that show.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they're interested in fossils. They've consumed
Speaker 2: me theater content in the pasts, So maybe they're listening
Speaker 2: right now. Maybe they're a male cast member from Parks
Speaker 2: and Rec, maybe two of them.
Speaker 4: And roughly in the age of Replasa never misses a show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe they're interested in having some fossils for
Speaker 2: their home. The fossil shack. He'll keep your secret. He
Speaker 2: won't tell me or anyone else that you sold him
Speaker 2: some big, beautiful fossils.
Speaker 3: Get after it. Roblo joining us.
Speaker 2: On the line. Last is Alex Fogg, the Okaloosa County
Speaker 2: Natural Resources chief in Florida. He's here to talk about
Speaker 2: turning a retired ocean liner into the world's largest artificial
Speaker 2: reef Alex, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey man, how's it going.
Speaker 2: We're doing good. First thing, tell us about the SS
Speaker 2: United States, which is the ship at the center of
Speaker 2: this story.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, So it's a big old chip. When I first
Speaker 5: saw I thought I was looking at the Titanic, and
Speaker 5: it has that old ocean liner. Look, who's built back
Speaker 5: in the nineteen fifties, sailed all across the Atlantic, made
Speaker 5: the fastest crossing from the United States over to England,
Speaker 5: and then broke its own record com back, still the
Speaker 5: record that it holds today. While it still doesn't have
Speaker 5: that fresh code of paint on her anymore, you could
Speaker 5: certainly see how she was quite magnificent back in her heyday. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's funny you compared it to the Titanic, because this
Speaker 2: ship is bigger than the Titanic slightly. And I've seen
Speaker 2: the images comparing the sizes of the SSU United States
Speaker 2: to the Titanic. Now, how did Akalousa County acquire the ship?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a heck of a process. We found
Speaker 5: out about it maybe three years ago. I had a
Speaker 5: contractor that we'd worked with on some other artificial reefs
Speaker 5: reach out and say, hey, you know, you should look
Speaker 5: at the ss United States. So I went down the
Speaker 5: Google rabbit hole started looking at you know what story
Speaker 5: this had, and there was some conflict between the old
Speaker 5: owner and the dock that it was at. So there
Speaker 5: was coming to a point to where the vessel is
Speaker 5: either going to be sold for scrap or it was
Speaker 5: gonna have to go to some other purpose. And really
Speaker 5: the only economical option was to create an artificial reef
Speaker 5: with this vessel. We've deployed hundreds of artificial reefs, dozens
Speaker 5: of wrecks, large vessels, not as big as this one,
Speaker 5: but large ones in the past, and it just it
Speaker 5: seemed like the right option for us to move forward
Speaker 5: with negotiating with the previous owner, and then we took
Speaker 5: ownership back in October, which was a big deal. A
Speaker 5: small county in Florida owning a thousand foot ocean liner
Speaker 5: that was in Philadelphia at the time.
Speaker 2: Can can you tell us what you guys paid, Alex.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we bought the ship for a million dollars,
Speaker 5: which is about the price of scrap if it were
Speaker 5: to be scrapped. There's about a million dollars worth of
Speaker 5: steel on board.
Speaker 4: Wow, and then it's a bargain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How do you like the tug service to get that
Speaker 1: sucker down there? And then I imagine you got to
Speaker 1: do it quite a few man hours to make sure
Speaker 1: you're putting something not all that got awful in the water, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So this is built in the time when
Speaker 5: they didn't really have many rules as to what was
Speaker 5: going into paint, what was being burned for fuel. So
Speaker 5: there's a lot of that that's still on board, even
Speaker 5: though a lot of it was gutted when it got
Speaker 5: burt overseas to Ukraine and Turkey. A lot of the
Speaker 5: asbesos has gone, but there's still a lot of lead,
Speaker 5: a lot of PCBs that are in the paint, a
Speaker 5: lot of fuel oil. All that has to be removed
Speaker 5: to to ensure that we're not hurting the environment that
Speaker 5: we're open the benefit.
Speaker 2: Now, I've been surprised to read that. It seems like
Speaker 2: a lot of the decision making is done at a
Speaker 2: very local level. In this case, Akalusa County. Would I'd
Speaker 2: expect there to be involvement from Noah and the US
Speaker 2: Fish and Wildlife Service and maybe even like the state
Speaker 2: of Alabama. Could you talk about the red tape involved
Speaker 2: with a project like this and how much or how
Speaker 2: little power Okalusa County has.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Fortunately, we planned way ahead and the way artificial
Speaker 5: reconstruction works is you actually get permits way ahead of
Speaker 5: time for a certain area to allow you to deploy
Speaker 5: artificial reefs whenever you want. So we have a permit
Speaker 5: that's good for ten years. It was actually initially obtained
Speaker 5: back in the nineties, and you know it's still active
Speaker 5: today and we can deploy rex tomorrow if we want to.
Speaker 5: So we've already gone through all the consultation with Army Corps, engineers,
Speaker 5: Fish and Wildlife, Noah, all those folks, the people that
Speaker 5: we I guess had the most red tape that we
Speaker 5: had to cut through just to get out of Philadelphia
Speaker 5: with the US Coast Guard. So the Coast Guard was very,
Speaker 5: very nervous about a vessel that hadn't moved in thirty
Speaker 5: years looking the way that it did. They were worried
Speaker 5: about its ability to make the toe from Philadelphia all
Speaker 5: the way down into the Gulf and eventually into Mobile.
Speaker 5: So it was a hell of a toe. But after
Speaker 5: a lot of tests and a lot of surveys by
Speaker 5: all sorts of different people in Philadelphia, it was determined
Speaker 5: to be okay. There were some water bottles and cups
Speaker 5: and things that were left sitting on tables when we
Speaker 5: left Philadelphia. It arrived in Mobile with those cups and
Speaker 5: bottles still sitting in the same place.
Speaker 3: That we left them.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 5: It was a very stable boat, no issues, didn't take
Speaker 5: on any water. And now's the processes of getting her
Speaker 5: all cleaned up, and we'll have to go through similar
Speaker 5: hurdles when we tow her from Mobile to south of
Speaker 5: destin Fort Walton Beach to deploy the wreath.
Speaker 2: I've seen some online resistance to this project, and there
Speaker 2: was a recent headline that said campaigners appealed Trump to
Speaker 2: save the SS United States. Why are some folks against this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know this, this is one of the
Speaker 5: last vessels of its time, you know, essentially a handbuilt
Speaker 5: vessel that carries our nation's A lot of people are
Speaker 5: very passionate about this vessel. What the people that aren't
Speaker 5: so negative about this project don't really know, or maybe
Speaker 5: can't wrap their head around, is how.
Speaker 4: That is fishing.
Speaker 1: They don't know fish.
Speaker 5: There's fishing totally. I mean, there's a there's a ton
Speaker 5: of money in fishing and diving, and they probably aren't
Speaker 5: fishermen and divers themselves, but they can't wrap their head
Speaker 5: around what do would cost to actually restore this I
Speaker 5: mean we're talking at billion dollars to get this vessel
Speaker 5: to a point where it actually be used again. Not
Speaker 5: to mean I don't know where the heck you would
Speaker 5: put a thousand foot ship for for a long period
Speaker 5: of time. I mean it's had in Philadelphia for a
Speaker 5: long time and they essentially got thrown out. So there's
Speaker 5: just way too many logistics. I understand that there's historical
Speaker 5: value to it. That's where we're going to try and
Speaker 5: honor its legacy through a land based museum. So there's
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of artifacts that have been collected over
Speaker 5: the years where can actually remove the funnels, the big
Speaker 5: stacks on the top, and those will be retained for
Speaker 5: the museum and and allow folks to come and learn
Speaker 5: about it even after it's gone to the bottom. And
Speaker 5: if you are on a fisherman or a diver, then
Speaker 5: you know you can go there.
Speaker 1: How deep are we looking to sink this baby?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a massive ship, so it's going to be
Speaker 5: out one hundred and eighty feet of water, but the
Speaker 5: top decks, the whole top deck's gonna be at fifty
Speaker 5: five to sixty.
Speaker 10: Feet of water.
Speaker 4: Beautiful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, very.
Speaker 5: Accessible to the beginner diver. But then if those technical
Speaker 5: folks want to go down to the bottom or go
Speaker 5: penetrate and check out the engine room, that's that's all
Speaker 5: on them.
Speaker 1: Oh that is cool. Have you thought about later putting
Speaker 1: oh I love love to dive.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about putting like some mattresses or old
Speaker 1: couches on the deck to get people's speed jigs and
Speaker 1: stuff and then you can go down there and collect them.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you, I think the wreck itself is going
Speaker 5: to be a magnet for all those all those hooks
Speaker 5: and line and jigs and everything. It's it's amazing how
Speaker 5: how smart, the fish are and nowhere to go to
Speaker 5: get you hung up.
Speaker 2: I love it. So there's about a year of prep
Speaker 2: work before you can sink this. What all happens in
Speaker 2: that time period.
Speaker 5: So once we got to Mobile, we got to Mobile
Speaker 5: on what early March, So we've been there about two
Speaker 5: months now. They've been removing one hundred and twenty tanks worth,
Speaker 5: so millions of gallons of fuel oil that's still on board.
Speaker 5: They're removing all the glass, removing all the hazardous paint.
Speaker 5: All of this has to come off, and for a
Speaker 5: thousand foot ship, that's a lot of material and a
Speaker 5: lot of manpowers you implied earlier. So once once she
Speaker 5: gets cleaned up, we'll have EPA and a bunch of
Speaker 5: other regulatory agencies on board to come take a look
Speaker 5: and make sure we did what we said we did,
Speaker 5: and then we'll get that clearance to go deploy it
Speaker 5: in one of those permitted areas that I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 5: So it's exciting times on the horizon, but still a
Speaker 5: ton of work that needs to be done to try
Speaker 5: and get this thing down in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the day comes where you're ready to drop
Speaker 2: this thing to the bottom of the ocean. What is
Speaker 2: the process actually like of sinking the ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, back in the day, they used to use bombs
Speaker 5: and explosives to blow holes in the side of it
Speaker 5: and make it go to the bottom really really fast.
Speaker 5: But they determined that that's not good for dolphin environment,
Speaker 5: So no, no dramatic explosions. But there'll be holes cut
Speaker 5: throughout the ship right above the water line to where
Speaker 5: when it's go time, you can open up through holes
Speaker 5: inside the ship to allow water to blood controlled. And
Speaker 5: then once those holes that are cut on the exterior
Speaker 5: of the vessel sink below the waterline, it'll be gone
Speaker 5: in forty minutes. It's a very process once you get
Speaker 5: to that point.
Speaker 2: What kind of sea life is going to like this
Speaker 2: new artificial reef you.
Speaker 5: Name it everything. So this is it's such a large
Speaker 5: vessel being placed in a location where there's really no
Speaker 5: reef material, natural or artificial existing at this time. So
Speaker 5: it's going to be an oasis. You're gonna have your
Speaker 5: reef fish species, your snappers, and your groupers. You're also
Speaker 5: gonna have your pelagic so it's gonna be you know, tunas,
Speaker 5: wahoo's billfish, other things swimming by I mean, it's such
Speaker 5: a large vessel, it's going to be a magnet for everything,
Speaker 5: including humans.
Speaker 3: Alex, It's been a while since I've been in the
Speaker 3: ship sinking game, so I'm curious you guys ended up
Speaker 3: with the ship. Were there other localities competing with you
Speaker 3: for it?
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 3: Along those same lines, is there like a top ten
Speaker 3: list of ships like this sitting around the country that
Speaker 3: folks in your line of work are are eyeballing and
Speaker 3: waiting for to go on the market, or sort of
Speaker 3: how does that shopping process look like?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, start with the first question about other communities. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's there were other communities that were certainly looking at this,
Speaker 5: but they didn't have Their total project cost is right
Speaker 5: around ten million dollars, so they didn't have ten million
Speaker 5: dollars to commit to a project like this. We fortunately
Speaker 5: have leadership in the foresight to be able to obligate
Speaker 5: those funds and then find partnerships on the back end.
Speaker 5: So we've been working to find a number of partnerships
Speaker 5: to alleviate that total cost, including partnering with some neighboring
Speaker 5: communities that we're also looking at getting this vessil. So
Speaker 5: it's a win win for everybody. Those partnerships haven't been
Speaker 5: formalized yet, but I suspect it'll be in the coming
Speaker 5: month or two. As far as selecting vessels, a lot
Speaker 5: of it's a case by case basis. You know, Sometimes
Speaker 5: a vessel catches fire and they can't put it back
Speaker 5: into operations, so they give us a call and see
Speaker 5: if we'd be interested in taking it as an artificial reef.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's an old vessel that has no other opportunities,
Speaker 5: you know, like the SS United States. There's really no
Speaker 5: other options, so we worked with them to keep it
Speaker 5: from going to the scrapyard and turning it into the
Speaker 5: world's largest artificial reef. There are some large vessels out
Speaker 5: there that we're certainly keeping our eye on, but it's
Speaker 5: not something we're actively pursuing until something hits the fan.
Speaker 3: Fascinating.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about the merch opportunities here? You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many bolt cliches, like T shirts that say
Speaker 1: the two best days of boat ownership the day you
Speaker 1: buy it and the day you sink it.
Speaker 5: Like that. Oh Man knows that's a great point. So
Speaker 5: there's a lot of examples of where large vessels have
Speaker 5: been deployed and they are visited by people from around
Speaker 5: the world. The amount of merchandise that pops up is
Speaker 5: incredible in the age of social media and digital media
Speaker 5: and podcasts like this, it's it's it's amazing how many
Speaker 5: people have learned about this, And I suspect that the
Speaker 5: returns in the form of merchandise and visitation all that
Speaker 5: stuff is going to be significantly more than anything that's
Speaker 5: ever been done before. So we're really looking to see
Speaker 5: look at We're really excited to see what pops up
Speaker 5: from this, But we're in the we're not in the
Speaker 5: business of merchandise. So I think that's probably going to
Speaker 5: come down to the dive shops and the fishing shops
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: How quickly will fish start using this new reef.
Speaker 5: Yep, they'll be fish there probably the day after it's
Speaker 5: been deployed. There'll be a bunch of bake fish. Now
Speaker 5: they aren't going to be established, they're not going to
Speaker 5: be sit there reproducing and eating and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: They're more just there because there's some new thing that's
Speaker 5: on the bottom. It'll take a year or two before
Speaker 5: it's a functioning system, but there will be things to
Speaker 5: see immediately after it goes to the bottom.
Speaker 2: And how do you envision sportsmen using it?
Speaker 5: Oh man, the amount of early on when you know
Speaker 5: there maybe aren't enough fish there to really sustain a fisherman,
Speaker 5: or you make for a good day of fishing. It's
Speaker 5: going to be heavily dived. But once it's become that
Speaker 5: established system, there's gonna be fishing people fishing it every
Speaker 5: single day, and then there's going to be people spearfishing
Speaker 5: on it every single day. So it's going to be
Speaker 5: hammered by the sports fishermen. But the good news is
Speaker 5: there's a lot of other fishing sites and diving sites
Speaker 5: all around this vessel, so if there's a bunch of
Speaker 5: people there, they can go to one of those other
Speaker 5: sites and wait their turn.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for joining us, Alex. Congrats on the
Speaker 2: record breaking reef and good luck with the project.
Speaker 5: Yep, thank you. You guys have a good one.
Speaker 3: Thanks you too.
Speaker 2: Cal's going to be there in a few years.
Speaker 9: Oh, I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You look at the map that Okaloosa County has
Speaker 2: of all the artificial reefs they created. It's like reefs
Speaker 2: on top of reefs. At this point, I think they
Speaker 2: got to figure it out over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alabama's kind of an overlooked Gulf state.
Speaker 4: Too cool. All right.
Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of this week's show,
Speaker 2: Philllet's get some final feedback from the chat.
Speaker 4: Brent would just like to set the record straight that
Speaker 4: he did the Turkey reveal thing first, so that's it's
Speaker 4: fine he when he does it. Spencer, your holy grail
Speaker 4: for rock hounding, I.
Speaker 2: Would say it's a rock that probably doesn't even exist.
Speaker 2: I would want a rock that has multiple bits of history.
Speaker 2: So if I got to pick one rock to find,
Speaker 2: it would be a meteorite that hit Earth, and then
Speaker 2: that meteorite was eaten by a dinosaur because dinosaurs had
Speaker 2: gizzards just like birds. So people will find or claim
Speaker 2: to find. It's not always confirmed. A rock that was
Speaker 2: a dinosaur gizzard stone and they're very smooth and round.
Speaker 2: That's it's a gastrolith.
Speaker 1: The gasterlith is on the ground, gasterlight is in the bird.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Well, I think lift would be stone.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I when I hear it referred to as the
Speaker 2: fossil version, it's a gastrolith. Okay, So I'd want a
Speaker 2: meteorite that hit her that was then eaten by a
Speaker 2: dinosaur and was used as a gizzardstone, become a gastrolith,
Speaker 2: and then maybe some ancient human picked it up and
Speaker 2: used it as a pestile with a pestil and mortar.
Speaker 2: That's that's my holy grail. I want. It's it's a
Speaker 2: it's a small ask something that came from outer space
Speaker 2: that was in a dinosaur's gizzard that then some ancient
Speaker 2: human used to crush acorns.
Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, I basically stayed at the site of
Speaker 1: the Jones diamond. Are you familiar with that one? No,
Speaker 1: it's the largest specific kind of diamond that's blank and
Speaker 1: on here right now. It was found in West Virginia
Speaker 1: and a creek. But it's like a giant mystery stone.
Speaker 1: You would love this because the formation it comes out
Speaker 1: of is in Brazil, and so there's a theory that
Speaker 1: it was traded over and over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over again and eventually got dropped in this creek
Speaker 1: in West Virginia.
Speaker 3: That's the largest alluvial diamond alluvial never discovered in North America.
Speaker 2: That's that's got all the ingredients of the whole thing.
Speaker 3: This kind of brings us full circle because diamonds are
Speaker 3: and the search for them, particularly in alluvial floodplains, is
Speaker 3: a key plot element of the film and book Congo.
Speaker 3: Yes exactly wowl diamonds though, because they want to use
Speaker 3: those in some sort of primitive laser processor in the book. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in the movie it's a laser weapon. But yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: When we were talking about the legislation in DC, Max
Speaker 4: brought up the fact that Cal and Mark both dropped
Speaker 4: a podcast today about their recent trip to d C. Cal,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you want to just talk briefly
Speaker 4: about what you did over there and what kind of
Speaker 4: shows you'll be dropping for in the Calm the Wild
Speaker 4: Feed next week. Oh boy, Phil and I were just
Speaker 4: crying over the news cycle moving way too fast for
Speaker 4: our pace here. Yeah, we did some lobbying on the
Speaker 4: hill in Washington, d C. We attended the Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 4: Conservation Partnership Capital Conservation Awards and basically just rubbed elbows
Speaker 4: with some newly appointed Trump appointees in different offices like
Speaker 4: National Resource Conservation Service and some folks in the Egg Department,
Speaker 4: and then tried to hit as many Senate and House
Speaker 4: offices as possible to ask them to join the brand
Speaker 4: spicketty New Released Public Lands Caucus led by Gave Vasquez
Speaker 4: out of New Mexico and Ryan Zinki out of Montana.
Speaker 4: I saw Congressman Mike Simpson was in the lineup with
Speaker 4: that too, But we need more of that, and that's
Speaker 4: what we're really encouraging people to do. We were also
Speaker 4: talked about mineral withdrawal and the boundary waters. We talked about.
Speaker 1: Active land management and not selling off our public land,
Speaker 1: especially doing it in a way that avoids all the
Speaker 1: things that the public has come to trust, which is
Speaker 1: knowing what we're giving up for what we're getting quite simply.
Speaker 2: So fill what else yet?
Speaker 4: Let's see here? Oh yeah, you're playing trivia at the
Speaker 4: BHA rendezvoute for Rendezvous, correct, Spencer.
Speaker 2: I won't be there, but Randall, Randall will be. Randall
Speaker 2: is going to be leading trivia at the BHA Rendezvous
Speaker 2: for the second year in a.
Speaker 3: Row, Saturday night. I believe it starts at eight pm
Speaker 3: June June teens, the mid teens. Whatever the Saturday is, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's the Tuesdays is seventeenth, so going backwards
Speaker 3: since you carry the three.
Speaker 2: Yeah while you're there.
Speaker 1: So it's the weekend of the thirteenth, So it's Friday
Speaker 1: the thirteenth, Saturday the fourteenth, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: have a big public Lands rally on the fifteenth there
Speaker 1: in Missoula, which is also Father's Day.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll make up a plan here soon. I think
Speaker 3: it'd be fun to get some audience participation in that game,
Speaker 3: but I haven't yet sat down to think through the logistics.
Speaker 3: But rest is sure, Leland. We will be playing trivia
Speaker 3: and it will be a wonderful time. Yeah, in support
Speaker 3: of a good organization.
Speaker 2: If you see Randall there, go ask him about the
Speaker 2: drunkest he's ever been in his life and he'll have
Speaker 2: a good story to share with you.
Speaker 3: Nope, he'll go there.
Speaker 1: Okay, won't go there.
Speaker 2: He won't share that story with you, So ask him anyway.
Speaker 4: Jacob's going on a four day paddle trip in the Midwest.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a big area, Jacob, but he's asking
Speaker 4: for recommendations on scenic rivers with decent fishing. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of four day of.
Speaker 3: Paddles, but four days if you're straying together. Four days
Speaker 3: like camping along the way, You're probably limited.
Speaker 2: Go to the Boundary Waters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go to the Boundary Waters.
Speaker 2: You could paddle for months up there. It's plenty scenic
Speaker 2: and some of the finest fishing in North America.
Speaker 1: Any other recommendation, it's gonna be totally different when there's
Speaker 1: an open pit copper sulfide.
Speaker 3: Mind, I've only done I've only done one one night,
Speaker 3: two day trips on the Little Miami River, and I
Speaker 3: don't think it's sort of attracting visitation for out of states.
Speaker 3: So maybe look elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Randy will tell you where not
Speaker 2: to go. What else you got, Phil.
Speaker 4: Kevin says, mean, it's a really great fossil. Really happy
Speaker 4: for you, But what the people really need to know
Speaker 4: is what shoe you're wearing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've got just some Nike tennis shoes on.
Speaker 1: Kevin answer, I mean, a man of the people, I'll
Speaker 1: do my own.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of silly questions, but I feel like
Speaker 4: I've done a lot of silly questions.
Speaker 2: Let's get a couple more.
Speaker 3: I'll get my own audience call out. I saw questions
Speaker 3: right after we finished our discussion of the gorilla battle,
Speaker 3: and someone pointed out that they don't believe that that
Speaker 3: many humans would be killed, just very badly injured. And
Speaker 3: I actually I'd like to go back on my statement
Speaker 3: about thirty to forty being killed. That is, unless the
Speaker 3: gorilla had time to go around and sort of finish
Speaker 3: off his victims. I think it would just be a
Speaker 3: lot of maimings. So whoever that was pointwell taken, he'll.
Speaker 2: Put him in a coma. Yeah, they can make him
Speaker 2: on bed rest, yep, anything else.
Speaker 4: Phil Marty says inquiring minds wants to know who's in
Speaker 4: charge of bumping into the giant foothold trap behind Spencer
Speaker 4: every week.
Speaker 3: I'll address this. Yah, I've got a follow up for you,
Speaker 3: and it's not you know. The thing is is, it's
Speaker 3: not the person who's actually bumping into the trap who's responsible.
Speaker 3: It's the person who sits in Spencer's seat.
Speaker 4: You see.
Speaker 3: I think in the event of a fire, everybody on
Speaker 3: this side of the table would be dead because there's
Speaker 3: not a lot of clearance between the tripods and that
Speaker 3: host seat, and so if someone is sitting in that
Speaker 3: seat and not paying attention to those around them, they
Speaker 3: oftentimes will force those of us with larger bodies to
Speaker 3: sort of push up against the wall, which wasn't as
Speaker 3: hazardous until that foothold trap was in place. So it's
Speaker 3: not the it's not the guy bumping the trap. It's
Speaker 3: the guy he's trying to avoid.
Speaker 4: And I will say, for being such a respected hunter
Speaker 4: and personality in the industry, Stephen Ranella has very little
Speaker 4: awareness of what's happening around him. So I'll walk, He'll
Speaker 4: be in the chair leaning back. He's just fine, that's
Speaker 4: his right. But then I come up next to kind
Speaker 4: of I don't he's usually on the phone, you're sending
Speaker 4: an email. I'll kind of try to squeeze through, and
Speaker 4: then I'll finally just have to say, excuse me, Steve,
Speaker 4: excuse me, hind you, Yeah, and then he'll move about
Speaker 4: an inch and then I'll still bump work trap, which
Speaker 4: works for some.
Speaker 3: Folks in this office.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you have to make him acknowledge you to
Speaker 2: get behind his chair. And Marty and everyone else listening
Speaker 2: to this, if you really want to help out phil
Speaker 2: If if you're a Philistine, what are your what are
Speaker 2: your fans called?
Speaker 4: Oh well, there's a question about that. Apparently people don't
Speaker 4: like philistine because they think I'm being it's rude, but
Speaker 4: I'm I'm erasing it, let's call it.
Speaker 3: And my favorite one that I've seen is the cal Mudgeons.
Speaker 4: Someone came up with calamanders in this show.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good. If you're a philistine, the thing that
Speaker 2: you can do, uh, to really prove that you're philistine
Speaker 2: is write an email to the meat eater at the
Speaker 2: medeater dot com and say, hey, I think you guys
Speaker 2: need a bigger studio because we have multiple walls here
Speaker 2: we could knock out and we can make a bigger
Speaker 2: space for you. And boy, if you think we're podcasting
Speaker 2: at a high level, now just wait until this room
Speaker 2: has like an extra We're going to be over the place,
Speaker 2: sixty square feet of We're not going to bump any
Speaker 2: more anymore tramps.
Speaker 1: Quiet air circulation wouldn't be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, phil phil would be So write an email to
Speaker 2: the meat eater at the medeater dot com and say, hey,
Speaker 2: I think you guys need to make your podcast studio
Speaker 2: a little bigger.
Speaker 4: Spencer said it.
Speaker 2: I didn't, Yeah, I did, say, all right, next week's show,
Speaker 2: We've got a very exciting media to radio Live. It's
Speaker 2: dedicated to Man's Best Friend. Because it is dog Week
Speaker 2: here at Meat Eater, we got special guests joining us
Speaker 2: and a Meat Eater Movie Club Randa, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna be reviewing?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm pleased to announce that the Meat Eater Movie
Speaker 3: Club is returning by popular demand, and next week, in
Speaker 3: keeping with the theme of Dog Week, we're gonna be
Speaker 3: reviewing Where the Red Fern Grows. Perfect for dog there
Speaker 3: aren't that many good like I was I was, I
Speaker 3: was gonna go with Balto. No, if I have to
Speaker 3: watch air Bud, I'm instead watch Dunstan checks In because
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. But within Orangton, we didn't have
Speaker 3: White Fang. I thought about White Fang, but then you
Speaker 3: did the old one or the or the remake?
Speaker 2: What was the Stephen King movie with? Yeah, that one.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go with Where the Red Fern Grows. It's
Speaker 3: available on two b Ku, Fandango, at home Plex, Peacock,
Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, YouTube, YouTube TV, and then you can rent
Speaker 3: it on Google Play Movies and Apple TV. But don't
Speaker 3: rent it, just find free. There also seems to be
Speaker 3: just like some bootleg version of it on YouTube, so
Speaker 3: I don't endorse as we know, I don't endorse the
Speaker 3: infringement of intellectual property. But check it out on YouTube
Speaker 3: before you go rent.
Speaker 2: What movie did you tell me you were considering doing
Speaker 2: but it didn't really do it for you, didn't really
Speaker 2: get you revved up? Old yeller, Old yeller, Yeah, Dad
Speaker 2: doesn't do it for Randall.
Speaker 3: So I mean that's the thing. There's just like sad movies.
Speaker 3: Homeward bound. Maybe maybe I'll just show up next week
Speaker 3: and I'll talk about Homeward Bound instead to myself.
Speaker 2: One more important detail for next week, we want a
Speaker 2: hot tip off showdown dedicated to dogs. So send your
Speaker 2: hot tip to radio at the Mediator dot com with
Speaker 2: the subject line hot dog Tips. We'll have a great
Speaker 2: prize for the winner. That's the end of this week's show.
Speaker 2: We'll see you guys back here next week for Dog Week.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thanks everybody.