Speaker 1: Yo, yo yo.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Experience podcast where you have to have
Speaker 2: the experience to be on the podcast. I am your
Speaker 2: active and attractive hosts for another episode. You know, we
Speaker 2: do everybody in the culture that has a voice that
Speaker 2: does things at are high level. Today we got somebody
Speaker 2: who was instrumental in what we know to be as
Speaker 2: podcast right for our culture. We got the homeboy mab
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 1: I'm chilling? Man, what's good? Man?
Speaker 3: You know, just finally all tapped in with you. Man,
Speaker 3: got a chance to come down here to Atlanta, and
Speaker 3: we've been trying to make it happen for a little minute.
Speaker 1: Finally here, Man, I love it. I love it. I
Speaker 1: need that love. Man, the game been good to me.
Speaker 2: And again, man, y'all, y'all all in the culture that
Speaker 2: really have a voice that I thought was real from
Speaker 2: the outside, always keep confirming to me that it is
Speaker 2: real ones in the game.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you stopping by no question.
Speaker 2: You know, first of all, Man, we want to get
Speaker 2: into the business side of what it is you do.
Speaker 1: Right. Podcasting is a big arena. It's a new industry.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I have a particular issue with some people that's partying
Speaker 2: in the industry building process. We need to be working.
Speaker 2: When I look at you you down here in Atlanta
Speaker 2: right now on tour. He just told me you sold
Speaker 2: eight hundred tickets. Talk to me about that.
Speaker 3: So, you know, Rory and myself knew Rory Podcast. Shout
Speaker 3: out to my brother Rory. We just got back from
Speaker 3: London last well earlier this week almost a lord with
Speaker 3: seven hundred tickets sold out in London at the Earth Theater.
Speaker 3: Shout out to everybody in London that came out. It's
Speaker 3: a beautiful night. Love over there was amazing, had an
Speaker 3: amazing time. Yeah, man, we were just building. Man. We're
Speaker 3: trying to just you know, build something. It's beautiful to
Speaker 3: watch it grow, It's beautiful to employ you know, people
Speaker 3: that have the same goals and visions and dreams and
Speaker 3: you know, want to have fun doing this and just
Speaker 3: have passion and respect for each other. Right, So yeah,
Speaker 3: we building, man. We all having fun man, traveling the world.
Speaker 2: The business side of this game is off the left
Speaker 2: side of people conversation, right, And those people that do
Speaker 2: talk about the business side, I'm not sure I see
Speaker 2: them executing in the same way that they communicating, right,
Speaker 2: So When I look at y'all, I say, yo, them dudes,
Speaker 2: I look at your brand, right, y'all been able to
Speaker 2: brand it even as far as the orange that Rory used,
Speaker 2: it's a theme, yeah, right, even the red head like
Speaker 2: it's a theme. Right, there's a branding thing happening. On
Speaker 2: top of that, there's a situation where y'all selling tickets,
Speaker 2: selling merch right in each each of these facets, y'all
Speaker 2: tend to have different designs, different approaches and just elevating
Speaker 2: the way that podcasting is looking.
Speaker 1: How much of that is you and how much of
Speaker 1: that is Rory?
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's pretty much both of us, are
Speaker 3: we all? You know, even on certain things on the
Speaker 3: merch side that I come up with and my partner
Speaker 3: out in LA and and G. You know, we all
Speaker 3: collab on ideas and we just throw things at the
Speaker 3: table sometimes and whatever sticks, whatever we think is dope,
Speaker 3: you know, we run with. It doesn't matter you know
Speaker 3: whose idea it was. If it's dope, it makes sense
Speaker 3: for the brand and something that we think that people
Speaker 3: were we and that they're gonna support, Like we just
Speaker 3: put it out there. But creatively, Rory and myself just
Speaker 3: you know pretty much is us, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: we have a whole team of people that pitching the
Speaker 3: add things here and there, but they get our personality.
Speaker 3: They know what we're trying to look like, what we're
Speaker 3: trying to do, what we're trying to create. So it's
Speaker 3: just like it's like a whole bunch of you know,
Speaker 3: people just hanging out in the dorm having fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, And it feels like that even when y'all left
Speaker 2: the Joe Budden podcasts, right, even the approach of the
Speaker 2: clip that came out when y'all was like we're looking
Speaker 2: for work, that was just even a unique approach. Even
Speaker 2: looking back at it, it's like y'all were early on
Speaker 2: the skit type of y'all might be the only people
Speaker 2: doing that in podcasting from a creative state point, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, the White Boys do it like
Speaker 2: Full Sin and Logan Paul and those guys. But from
Speaker 2: our standpoint, yeah, maybe trailblazing in that.
Speaker 3: That's something that we want to, you know, ultimately get
Speaker 3: into his TV and film and in long form sketches
Speaker 3: and things like that, just because we have so many
Speaker 3: ideas and things that we take from real life situations,
Speaker 3: which was what the the got fired skit was when
Speaker 3: we first quote unquote got fired. So we decided to
Speaker 3: take that and have some fun with it and create
Speaker 3: something that uh, you know, we thought, we think, we
Speaker 3: thought the people would like and they they loved it,
Speaker 3: and that was all. You know, people reached out and
Speaker 3: sayd who wrote that? Who wrote that?
Speaker 1: It was like that. You know, we freestyled the whole thing.
Speaker 1: None of that was written.
Speaker 3: That was all just circumstantial, and you know, we just
Speaker 3: came up with the circumstances and we just let the
Speaker 3: camera run.
Speaker 2: That's dope, That's super dope. Let's get into the departure
Speaker 2: of Joe butten podcast. Let's be clear, when did you
Speaker 2: come into the Joe Buden pocket? What episode was? At
Speaker 2: first it was the name was our name this podcast?
Speaker 2: Like when did you arrive on the scene?
Speaker 1: Do you remember?
Speaker 3: Think it was like episode seventy seven maybe okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And so sweat equity was mentioned, right, blood sweating tears,
Speaker 3: and your departure from there was an unfortunate one.
Speaker 1: And it was it was ugly.
Speaker 2: It was fortunate, right, we just talked about it, you say,
Speaker 2: you know, very fortunate, right, right. You told me when
Speaker 2: I was out there smoking, you said, loan, I would
Speaker 2: have been okay with helping home.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've always That's all I've ever been. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I've always wanted to be somebody that helped.
Speaker 3: Like if it's somebody you know, if I fuck with you,
Speaker 3: or if I feel like, you know, I believe in
Speaker 3: what you're doing and I see your vision and I
Speaker 3: feel like I can offer some assistance, even if it's not.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: It's not about me getting nothing financially from it all
Speaker 3: the time necessarily. I just feel like if I'm able
Speaker 3: to which I think we should do in our culture
Speaker 3: more anyway, It's like, yo, if I if I have
Speaker 3: a plug somewhere connect somewhere where I can help you
Speaker 3: elevate what you got going on and get you to
Speaker 3: a next level somewhere, why not, because I would want
Speaker 3: somebody to do the same for me. So, you know,
Speaker 3: especially when it's you know, quote unquote friends, and I
Speaker 3: feel like that goes without saying it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: help you out, like I help you do whatever. Let's
Speaker 3: let's do it's but we're gonna and we get to
Speaker 3: have fun.
Speaker 1: Why not? It's a win win situation.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was all about me just you know,
Speaker 3: getting in and trying to help elevate something and bring
Speaker 3: some type of you know, energy into a situation where
Speaker 3: it made for a complete a complete circle.
Speaker 2: And now do you have clarity because over the last
Speaker 2: couple of months, that's been shots took by you by
Speaker 2: Joe Budden just about what y'all perceived to be the truth.
Speaker 1: You say that Joe stealing. He said that he's not stealing.
Speaker 2: Of course you say, I'll come up that showed me
Speaker 2: the books. Do it on your platform and then made
Speaker 2: for great content.
Speaker 1: Put it behind your paywall. Do what you will.
Speaker 3: Let's not put listen man, you know, and I want
Speaker 3: to be very this is not you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: It's no ill feelings, it's no beef, it's no you know,
Speaker 3: it's all love.
Speaker 1: Man. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I said, at one point, you know, we was
Speaker 3: all real friends, and you know so that that doesn't
Speaker 3: just go away, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 3: not a beef thing. I think that everything happened for
Speaker 3: a reason. Uh, we're very fortunately, very blessed Rory myself
Speaker 3: to land where we landed and be able to do
Speaker 3: what we're doing right now. So everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 3: It's just the unfortunate part of it is, you know
Speaker 3: when just just just lies start to come into play
Speaker 3: and you know, uh, trying to you know, tear somebody's
Speaker 3: character apart and things like that. You know, the truth
Speaker 3: is the truth, though, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: as I always tell my brother Rory, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: because we have talks and he you know, Rory gets
Speaker 3: into these moves where he's like, man, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Just keep going through this bullshit with this dude.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, but Rory, when the truth is
Speaker 3: on your side, everything is gonna be okay, man, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So you know it is what
Speaker 3: it is. But yeah, I mean, the truth is the truth.
Speaker 3: And you know, we where we were taking advantage of
Speaker 3: and you know, we had money, a lot of money
Speaker 3: stolen from us and taking from us, and it's fucked up.
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, if that's the way it
Speaker 3: had to happen for us to be in a situation
Speaker 3: where in now, in the position we're in now in
Speaker 3: our lives, and so be it.
Speaker 1: You don't fuck around and made you, taught you how
Speaker 1: to fish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean put you in a situation now where
Speaker 2: you went and got the information.
Speaker 3: The thing is, I always knew how to fish, right,
Speaker 3: But you know sometimes I don't mind, you know, getting
Speaker 3: on your boat and helping you, right, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So you know if you felt like you know,
Speaker 3: that was your boat and you know you're the big skipper,
Speaker 3: and you know what I'm saying you, it's like.
Speaker 2: And so but in podcast and what it be in
Speaker 2: a new industry, it's like we you know, I gotta
Speaker 2: give Joe some credit in regards to he did kind
Speaker 2: of make it not easier, but y'all together you lifted less, right,
Speaker 2: And so what I'm saying is like this new industry,
Speaker 2: nobody kind of understood how to move. Fortunately, whatever deal
Speaker 2: he placed y'all in that y'all agreed on, he and
Speaker 2: what you're saying is still wouldn't stick to the deal
Speaker 2: that he had in place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I think when we uh looking back, I
Speaker 3: think when we signed our percentage agreement with each other,
Speaker 3: I don't think that he anticipated the amount of money
Speaker 3: that was going to be offered to us. So I
Speaker 3: think once that money came into play, I think that
Speaker 3: something inside of him just wasn't comfortable. And it's crazy
Speaker 3: when you think about it, but I think something inside
Speaker 3: of him was like he wasn't comfortable seeing us get
Speaker 3: that money, you know what I mean. And it's fucked up,
Speaker 3: But that happens with us a lot, man, Like it's
Speaker 3: a deeper, whole, deeper you know, story behind that. It's
Speaker 3: like in our culture, you know, we say we want
Speaker 3: to see each other, eat and see each other, but
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, somebody come in here with a
Speaker 3: whole buffet. It's like, damn, I was gonna get these
Speaker 3: niggas slice. I don't want to get these niggas.
Speaker 1: I want to dictate what they're able to do. You understand.
Speaker 2: And that's unfortunate, bro, because you can't win like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, And and I believe that to see you
Speaker 2: rad and Will Rory says so much about your character
Speaker 2: just from me on the outside looking in, because I
Speaker 2: see the years from you and Joe, I see you
Speaker 2: know you on the Love and Hip Hop episodes and
Speaker 2: see how far back y'all go, and it's like it
Speaker 2: gotta be principal somewhere that he's standing on because what
Speaker 2: else would make him rad with a dude that he
Speaker 2: met alone the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just right as right and wrong as wrong.
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, and you know the fans
Speaker 3: and the supporters and listeners they have a very short
Speaker 3: term memory. But just go back to you know, the
Speaker 3: reason why you know we didn't show up the recorders
Speaker 3: because you know, he told Rory not to cut, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And I said, whoh you he
Speaker 3: don't work for you. You can't tell him not to
Speaker 3: come in, right like, And I'm definitely not gonna record
Speaker 3: without him, right you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So just go back to that.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm that's just me though, Like if it's
Speaker 3: something wrong, then let's fix it before any of us
Speaker 3: move forward. But me and you are not going to
Speaker 3: record without our brother, our partner.
Speaker 1: That was the deep moment I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: That was there right there, because in my opinion, you
Speaker 2: hurt Joe because Joe felt like.
Speaker 1: Yo, Rory, but mile straight? But why? But why is it?
Speaker 3: But and see that's the things that people don't know
Speaker 3: behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: It was like, but why fuck Rory, why are you
Speaker 1: why everybody ain't doing that.
Speaker 2: Even when you look at Parks, some of the fans
Speaker 2: to say that his position is my boat.
Speaker 1: Everything right around me look.
Speaker 3: Good at and you know, and and Parks was you know,
Speaker 3: I've known Parks for years, good good, good person, deep
Speaker 3: deep inside he is a good person. I just think that, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the position that he may be in and
Speaker 3: painted himself in the corner to where he don't really
Speaker 3: have enough wiggle room to really get his ship off
Speaker 3: and say what you want to say. But that's why
Speaker 3: I tweeted a few weeks I said, Parks knows right
Speaker 3: because part of me, I've known Parks for years.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: For the most part, he's a good dude. I just
Speaker 3: think that he's just a little into deep on the
Speaker 3: business in and he has a lot of things tied
Speaker 3: in with Joe business wise, so he can't really really
Speaker 3: rattle that boat and shake the tree too much. But
Speaker 3: he knows man. And those guys, all of those guys
Speaker 3: over there, all those guys in the room, they know me.
Speaker 3: They've known me for at least twelve years. They know
Speaker 3: that I'm not I never did no sucking shit, no
Speaker 3: foul shit. I've never you know, done no wax shit
Speaker 3: to nobody, so they know my characters. So you know,
Speaker 3: it's just that everybody got is kind of in the
Speaker 3: fuck up just because they got to choose the side,
Speaker 3: right and you know, they chose to ride with with
Speaker 3: Homie and it's all good, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's no beef, man, it's no you know,
Speaker 3: this podcast and things, sometimes it get a little weird,
Speaker 3: like everybody feel like it's competitive and it's beef, and
Speaker 3: it's so I know what real beef looks like. This
Speaker 3: is no beef and this shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, they had to choose a side,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's all good. Like I said, you know,
Speaker 3: Rory and myself were able to pivot and land on
Speaker 3: our feet and do what we do. And like I said,
Speaker 3: we just came back from showing almost seven hundred eight
Speaker 3: hundred tickets in the UK. The same night Dave Chappelle
Speaker 3: had a show.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's dope. You know, that's dope. Shout
Speaker 1: out to y'all.
Speaker 2: And you know what, when I was telling you when
Speaker 2: y'all first, when it first happened, I was afraid for
Speaker 2: y'all because I was thinking, like, and I got this
Speaker 2: from b Marshall with the episode I just did with him, well,
Speaker 2: I would have put y'all in a situation to over extend,
Speaker 2: because I felt like immediately there was this thing in
Speaker 2: the market between y'all two and he was trying to
Speaker 2: battle to look like he was still in a good place,
Speaker 2: and y'all was trying to say, Yo, we're on our own.
Speaker 2: And I was saying, spend the money, go get a building,
Speaker 2: go get a sick go get this, go get that,
Speaker 2: And y'all bubbled it right up, and the fan basic y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all activated it and took it to the next level.
Speaker 1: Y'all did that shit.
Speaker 3: I mean, we just you know again, we don't want
Speaker 3: to go fast.
Speaker 1: We want to go right. We want to do it right.
Speaker 3: We want to move right, and we have a vision
Speaker 3: for ourselves and what we want to look like, and
Speaker 3: we ultimately want to end up. And I think we're
Speaker 3: doing a great job of doing that. You know, we're
Speaker 3: not running out getting a guest We don't want to
Speaker 3: be too heavily guest based every week, because then you
Speaker 3: paint yourself on the corner with that when it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we can't get a guest, So.
Speaker 1: Who do we you know what I mean, who do we?
Speaker 1: Who do we do now?
Speaker 3: So we kind of want to just show people that
Speaker 3: we can create something where we we basically wear the
Speaker 3: talent and we rely on ourselves and our own personalities
Speaker 3: to uh, to push this thing forward and then pulling
Speaker 3: on you know, guests that we really have a personal
Speaker 3: relationship with that we we kind of already have some
Speaker 3: type of rapport with and you know, just do something
Speaker 3: more creative aside from just sitting down talking like we
Speaker 3: ultimately want to move into like a TV and film
Speaker 3: space and uh, you know, do things on that level
Speaker 3: because you know, we have the talent and ability to
Speaker 3: do that, which is what we try to show with
Speaker 3: some of our skits and promo pieces and things like that.
Speaker 1: For the live shows. It'd be dope to.
Speaker 3: Let me just try to show a little just some
Speaker 3: some some versatility and what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Right, do you think you hurt? Oh? But do you
Speaker 1: think now?
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, when did you start to
Speaker 2: pivot towards Rory like hold on with something ain't right,
Speaker 2: that ain't cool?
Speaker 1: When did when was that.
Speaker 3: You know it, Rory and myself developed a relationship naturally
Speaker 3: on the show throughout the years, but you know, in
Speaker 3: that situation, the business and things like that, it was
Speaker 3: it honestly became a thing where it was it fell
Speaker 3: into that because we were on the same side of
Speaker 3: the fight. Like we both we both were fighting for
Speaker 3: the same thing. It was like, all right, we have this,
Speaker 3: you know, this deal there.
Speaker 2: But I felt like he would have straightened you out
Speaker 2: and not straightened Rory.
Speaker 3: Real but even that, I wouldn't go for it.
Speaker 2: I know it, But I felt like that's what hurt him,
Speaker 2: right when he said I remember a time when he said,
Speaker 2: I never remember I never saw saw the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was talking about you. Yeah, he would.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you man, something about you. Yeah, stungin.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we have a we had a relationship
Speaker 3: for so many years, and.
Speaker 1: The dude is a white boy. But this principal, it's
Speaker 1: all of this with me.
Speaker 3: I don't care how long I know you, I don't care.
Speaker 3: You know, it's principal. It's integrity, is it's honor, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's like right as right,
Speaker 3: wrong is wrong, And I'm not gonna stand there and
Speaker 3: allow somebody that because I looked at it like we're
Speaker 3: a team. We all in this boat together, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, we stay on that stage together.
Speaker 2: So it's so many niggas that were to roll with
Speaker 2: the nigga they knew for ten fifteen years only because
Speaker 2: it's like, what do I got to lose?
Speaker 3: Well, that's the se but that and again that's the
Speaker 3: problem with us. It is it's like this.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you salute from one real nigga to
Speaker 2: another one, even if everything else I the winder. Just
Speaker 2: I'm saying that. Look like from my perspective, it's principle
Speaker 2: involved in that absolutely because it's my guy right here.
Speaker 1: I'm man.
Speaker 2: I was with this guy when he will raggedly ragged
Speaker 2: you I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: If you go back and say I ain't never been
Speaker 2: rad I come out of the street with some money,
Speaker 2: you understand, no cap on that, no ten on it.
Speaker 2: You go back some you say, damn home was kind
Speaker 2: of it seemed fun now over there a little bit financially,
Speaker 2: and that's cool because we all had to come from something.
Speaker 2: But y'all help lift that. How much weight do you
Speaker 2: think you lifted over there one hundred percent of the
Speaker 2: lifting with the Joe Buden Podcast up into your departure.
Speaker 2: How much do you say was your contribution.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I contributed a lot. I think
Speaker 3: I lifted a lot. You go back to some of
Speaker 3: the earlier episodes. I think that's when it started to
Speaker 3: turn just because I think the personality, my personality and
Speaker 3: my relationship with Joe was so unique and so honest,
Speaker 3: and you know, I think that that helped turn it
Speaker 3: into what it became. Even if you go back to
Speaker 3: the Charlemagne episode, Charlamagne said it. He said, you know,
Speaker 3: this thing didn't really pop until marg got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a squashit with you as Charlamagne. Man,
Speaker 1: I know you got a little he been. He done right.
Speaker 1: He doing right by me, man, Charlamagne, Listen, I know
Speaker 1: he does.
Speaker 3: He does things behind the scenes for people that you know,
Speaker 3: our salute and I respect. I just didn't, you know,
Speaker 3: let me finish the point though, getting to that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I just think that the relationship that we had with
Speaker 3: each other, right, because I still don't really like saying
Speaker 3: his name, but the relationship that we had with each other,
Speaker 3: I think it was so honest and so real and
Speaker 3: it was dope to see and so many people could
Speaker 3: relate to it. I think that helped lift it. With
Speaker 3: him and Rory and a shoutout to Maurssa, what they
Speaker 3: had I think was unique as well. I just think that,
Speaker 3: you know, you insert somebody that had a real, uh relationship,
Speaker 3: the relationship that we had with each other, and you
Speaker 3: put that on mic and on camera. I think people
Speaker 3: gravitate towards that, the stories, the uh you know, holding
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: And he was intentional with I'll give him some credit
Speaker 2: on this. He was intentional with the consumer facing when
Speaker 2: it comes to you, right. He was intentional with saying, man,
Speaker 2: you just too cool. Man, you dress better than me. Man.
Speaker 2: He was intentional on camera with that. He's smart enough
Speaker 2: to know what he's doing when he's doing. Now, what
Speaker 2: he doesn't say says more to me about him than
Speaker 2: what he does say on camera.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So he's somebody that's intentional with doing it.
Speaker 1: And I'll give him a little.
Speaker 2: Credit with trying to have the consumers accept you in
Speaker 2: a way where it's like this is my cool potum. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it even translated to someone like a Charlemagne that
Speaker 2: was like, you know what mal is that nigga too?
Speaker 2: Now even though you that nigga, he was putting something
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and I you know, and and again it
Speaker 3: was all it made for what it became exactly like
Speaker 3: it was all part of it was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: I just think that ultimately, which happens a lot in
Speaker 3: our community and on our culture, ego just killed and destroyed.
Speaker 3: And it you know, it kills from within, it destroys
Speaker 3: from within. And you know that's a fight that I
Speaker 3: can't stand in front of. Ego is something that you
Speaker 3: gotta battle with person. So I just step out the
Speaker 3: way and I let you, you know, have that battle
Speaker 3: with yourself, right.
Speaker 2: You know, even speaking about about the lifting thing, there
Speaker 2: was a moment. Do you remember when he got fired
Speaker 2: from Everyday Struggle?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What was the atmosphere? Do you remember the atmosphere? Then?
Speaker 3: Vaguely I remember, And again that's interesting because we only
Speaker 3: got his side of the story, but I vaguely remember
Speaker 3: he came in and was like, you know, we started
Speaker 3: talking about it on the show, like you know, they
Speaker 3: they wouldn't let the creators create and you know, they
Speaker 3: won't let me smoke in the bathroom and it was
Speaker 3: just a whole bunch and I was just like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, that wasn't my business.
Speaker 2: And you know me no understanding the information. And I
Speaker 2: want the young creators and everybody watching this if you
Speaker 2: know my brain, if you hear and you don't know
Speaker 2: my brain. Were about information, right, We're about elevation. Anything
Speaker 2: we speak about, we extract and experience from things that
Speaker 2: we can explain so people can evolve.
Speaker 1: That's all this is about. Right.
Speaker 2: But with the everyday struggle situation, y'all gave him a blanket.
Speaker 2: I know, you you know, let him go on his rants.
Speaker 2: He was talking and all of that, but it was
Speaker 2: a situation where he needed y'all more than he can
Speaker 2: explain in that moment. At that point, he had just
Speaker 2: had a baby. He had just had this situation where
Speaker 2: he thought he was getting further in the building and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he thought he had leverage.
Speaker 2: And that's something that happens with him. For some reason,
Speaker 2: he missed places where he think his leverage. Is not
Speaker 2: that he doesn't have leverage, there's just something happening with
Speaker 2: his idea of leverage. I don't when he goes to
Speaker 2: try to utilize what he think his leverage is. There's
Speaker 2: something happening, right, and so with complex they let him go,
Speaker 2: you know whatever in receipt of your email, because I've
Speaker 2: been looking at some of the shit knowing that we
Speaker 2: were gonna sit down, and when he came.
Speaker 1: And sat down with y'all, that was home. He still
Speaker 1: had that.
Speaker 2: And I continue to let people know that it's hard
Speaker 2: to do a podcast by yourself. It's damnar impossible. And
Speaker 2: if it was possible, I think that he would have
Speaker 2: done it by himself.
Speaker 1: By now.
Speaker 2: He had y'all to lean on in that moment, and
Speaker 2: in my opinion, I just wanted I wonder did y'all
Speaker 2: know how important y'all were to him in that moment
Speaker 2: for him to be able to land right there with
Speaker 2: his two homeboys comfortable way he has conversations week after
Speaker 2: week after week and be able to talk to the
Speaker 2: fans and create the narrative that he was able to create.
Speaker 3: I mean, we thought we were pretty important, but now
Speaker 3: you listen to the things that he says now about us,
Speaker 3: we weren't that important. So you know, I mean again, man,
Speaker 3: you know, we just try to play our part. And
Speaker 3: as far as being friends in that moment, like you know,
Speaker 3: it started the whole podcasting thing for us again, it
Speaker 3: started as therapy. It was therapeutic for us to get
Speaker 3: to get together once and twice a week and just
Speaker 3: kick it and talk about shit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But when money comes into play, man, it changes you know,
Speaker 3: so many things. It's amazing how many things and emotions
Speaker 3: just change and sway because.
Speaker 1: Money is on the table now. But for me, it didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously I didn't care about money. It was
Speaker 3: all about just the principles and integrity. And you know,
Speaker 3: people see, oh, if it wasn't about the money, then
Speaker 3: why you keep asking to see the counting. And it's like,
Speaker 3: because we're trying to just show, like fam, we know
Speaker 3: we were being stolen from and this is why we
Speaker 3: chose to say, yo, just show the accountant.
Speaker 1: Let's make it correct and move forward, right.
Speaker 2: And I want people to understand that if Joe was
Speaker 2: to sue, he would expose what needs to be like
Speaker 2: that would force a discovery, yeah, which the accountant would
Speaker 2: have to come into play.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean he know, he he he can't sue.
Speaker 1: He can't sue us. It's impossible.
Speaker 3: He he knows the real and the people, the people
Speaker 3: that know him know the real They know his business
Speaker 3: practices throughout the years. They know that Maul has never
Speaker 3: sat down and you know, sat on the mic and
Speaker 3: talked bad about anybody, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 3: definitely not somebody that I looked at as a friend.
Speaker 3: Like I hate that you google my name and it
Speaker 3: come that type of shit comes up, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I don't. I never wanted to
Speaker 1: be a party shit like that.
Speaker 3: But we know that, you know, we built something that
Speaker 3: was big in the culture, and you know, it ended
Speaker 3: the way it did. But like I said, it was
Speaker 3: a fortunate situation for Rory myself because we landed and
Speaker 3: ownership and and just you know, just respect. It's so
Speaker 3: it's just so much respect, you know, like, uh, the
Speaker 3: people we work with, you know, my guy edit videographer,
Speaker 3: my boss and my boy. Like I'm not your boss man, partners.
Speaker 3: I need you just as much as you need me,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like I don't even like
Speaker 3: walking around with that boss title, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't need that. Like I want everybody to feel
Speaker 3: like they could come to me. They could talk to
Speaker 3: me whenever they want. You have my number. You can
Speaker 3: call me any time of the day if you have
Speaker 3: something on your mind, if you have something creatively you
Speaker 3: want to throw on the table. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 3: you're on camera or not. If you're in this room
Speaker 3: and you're you're a part of this, this, this, this,
Speaker 3: this brain trust in this, in this you know this
Speaker 3: this thing we building. Like your opinion matters. You're in
Speaker 3: this room for a reason. So I think you create
Speaker 3: that space for people and it allows for so many
Speaker 3: more ideas and positive energy to flow in and to
Speaker 3: feed something beautiful.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Did you did you believe at the beginning that you
Speaker 2: had an ownership deal or a partnership.
Speaker 3: No, we had a percentage agreement. Any money that came
Speaker 3: in for the podcast we split.
Speaker 2: Was that understood from the beginning or was ownership ever thought?
Speaker 2: Did you ever think that you owned a part of
Speaker 2: it or did you always think this was a percentage
Speaker 2: based type of situation.
Speaker 1: It was a percentage based it was it was some
Speaker 1: excuse me for not to cut you off.
Speaker 2: Some people try to say that you guys thought that
Speaker 2: you owned some of it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, we knew exactly what it was.
Speaker 3: And again that's because of the creatives. It's it's we
Speaker 3: had a contract in place before any money came into play,
Speaker 3: and we and Rory myself took a very humble percentage
Speaker 3: of very uh you know, we understood we're not you know,
Speaker 3: we don't have a name, and we weren't artists and
Speaker 3: rappers and things like that. So we took our very
Speaker 3: humble percentage and proceeded to move forward and grow it
Speaker 3: until a deal came across the table that you know,
Speaker 3: ultimately was signed. Again, I just think that that money
Speaker 3: was something that you know, I was never thought about
Speaker 3: coming into play, and when it did, I don't think
Speaker 3: that he was happy splitting that with us the way
Speaker 3: that it was agreed upon. So you know, it happened,
Speaker 3: It fell aparton, It is what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, I believe.
Speaker 2: Joe camp Pod in the same way right, I think
Speaker 2: Ish doesn't allow Joe and I have a relationship with
Speaker 2: is shut out the Ish, right, got a relationship with
Speaker 2: him over there. He reaches out to me, we speak sometimes,
Speaker 2: but I don't believe he can part in the same way.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I think Ish kind of doesn't give him the isolation
Speaker 2: type of vibe that you guys gave, right. I think
Speaker 2: you guys understand podcasts, especially the way that he podcasts,
Speaker 2: not necessarily that everything he says is gonna be the truth.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he's getting into a theatric bag and he's doing
Speaker 2: this little one too. Now, you did say that when
Speaker 2: he got into some of them conversations, you guys were
Speaker 2: sitting back like, hold on, we've been on you about
Speaker 2: some of these things that you explaining to the public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see it it was so many things. Like a
Speaker 3: lot of people think that that just happened. When it happened,
Speaker 3: and that was years. That was years of us trying
Speaker 3: to That was like a year and a half almost
Speaker 3: two years of us trying to get that right and
Speaker 3: get the business right. So you know, when those rants
Speaker 3: were happening, Uh, you go back and look at some
Speaker 3: of those and you know, I'm sitting here being quiet
Speaker 3: because I'm like, you know, people were always telling themselves
Speaker 3: if you let them talk them Yeah, So I did
Speaker 3: a lot of listening, and you know, and we we
Speaker 3: were careful because we were creating or what we thought
Speaker 3: was we were creating was something that was built on
Speaker 3: honor and principle and to know what we were dealing
Speaker 3: with internally, we thought that if the public found out,
Speaker 3: it's like, well, wait, how y'all sitting here preaching about
Speaker 3: you know, honor and respect and keeping it real and
Speaker 3: not you know, getting sucked off and we and now
Speaker 3: we're going through the bullshit. So it was hard to
Speaker 3: kind of sit here and you know, but just like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, just let the rent happen and you know,
Speaker 3: whatever whatever for the sake of the message getting out
Speaker 3: there and you know, the people receiving the message, and
Speaker 3: we didn't want to put our personal thing in the
Speaker 3: way of that. But that was the reason for a
Speaker 3: lot of those you know, just let happen. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, keep talking, because I'm also
Speaker 3: receiving information here too in the moment, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: So and this is the thing, right, I'm looking at
Speaker 2: it and me just having supreme game. I'm sitting back
Speaker 2: and saying, see, sometimes you sometimes you cuss, you cuss
Speaker 2: at your mother and your girlfriend here And she said,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look I he talked to his mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when you saying things like yo, I
Speaker 2: left complex because Spotify brought in a check and they
Speaker 2: didn't want to give the people on.
Speaker 1: The show a piece of the check.
Speaker 2: When we're the reason Spotify brought the check and then
Speaker 2: you got people on your show it's saying, hey, what's
Speaker 2: going on with the check?
Speaker 1: Because Spotify cut a check. It's the same, it's the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like, it's funny how you turn into the
Speaker 3: same people that were talking about.
Speaker 2: But it's almost like in his brain. And that's why
Speaker 2: I got to ask him. He needs some he needs
Speaker 2: some real questions asked to him without the wiggle room.
Speaker 1: Right. Oh, he's gonna spend.
Speaker 3: He's gonna try to He's gonna try to spend, try
Speaker 3: to spend. He's gonna try to good he's good at spending.
Speaker 3: He gonna try to because I think he talks to
Speaker 3: you know, he has this thing where he talks to
Speaker 3: grown men, and I think he think he talking to
Speaker 3: women that he's dating. You know, you can spend a
Speaker 3: woman that you date around her, but when you're talking
Speaker 3: to real dudes, and it don't work. And that's and
Speaker 3: that's it's not gonna work with me.
Speaker 2: So sometimes when when you know he would he would
Speaker 2: get in those modes talking about that.
Speaker 1: I always looked at y'all.
Speaker 2: Let's kind of speak on academics, do y'all do you
Speaker 2: think that he was feeding information to act?
Speaker 3: Of course, man, you know, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: talk about that, dude, but you know, I just you
Speaker 3: know again, this this, this this media podcast thing is
Speaker 3: weird man, because these dudes will start talking about you
Speaker 3: talking crazy and you never even they don't.
Speaker 1: You don't even know these dudes. That's what I'm like.
Speaker 3: I'm like, who I you know what I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not gonna get into right back and forth because.
Speaker 2: It's like they got too much time on it here
Speaker 2: and I can't do that.
Speaker 3: I don't do that. And it's like, you know, you
Speaker 3: I've never seen these dudes anywhere outside I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then they get online and then get on their
Speaker 3: platforms and start talking crazy and it's just like I
Speaker 3: don't even know how to do that, Like I can't
Speaker 3: because I don't know you you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I can't. I can't sit on here and spew
Speaker 3: that type of crazy talk when I've never even I
Speaker 3: don't even know how to do that.
Speaker 2: It's almost like even with his situation with Rory, it's
Speaker 2: almost like he was leaving you out of it too.
Speaker 2: It's almost he was bringing you in it after a
Speaker 2: certain part. But there was a moment where it's almost
Speaker 2: like everybody was against Rory and they was trying to
Speaker 2: kind of leave ma all out. But Mal was looking
Speaker 2: for why fuck act.
Speaker 1: With what his situation is.
Speaker 2: But the Joe thing, you were trying to understand, why
Speaker 2: is you what's happening? And then like you said, we
Speaker 2: both on the same side creatively to try to say
Speaker 2: you already get the big piece of chicken.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we partners. Man, You know you can't tell your
Speaker 3: partner again partners. We don't work for nobody. We wearing employees.
Speaker 3: We were business partners. We have a contract agreement, we
Speaker 3: have a percentage based agreement.
Speaker 1: We were partners.
Speaker 3: So it's like you tell your partner don't come, don't
Speaker 3: come to work, You at least got to consult with
Speaker 3: the other partner first, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 3: if me and you and another home, you got to
Speaker 3: show together and then you text him and say you
Speaker 3: don't come into work.
Speaker 1: Me and you supposed to have that talk before you.
Speaker 3: You should be like, y I feel like he shouldn't
Speaker 3: come in for a couple of weeks whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: We need to have a talk first. You can't I
Speaker 2: view you as a partner. That's why I think he
Speaker 2: didn't view y'all as partner.
Speaker 3: Of course he didn't. It's his name is the podcast.
Speaker 1: When he changed the name, what was y'all thinking? Then
Speaker 1: we knew what it was. That was deep, that was ego.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. And you know what, people
Speaker 3: got to remind the tapes and go back and look
Speaker 3: at the film. It's ego. But even in the missed
Speaker 3: that we weren't tripping because we had this contract in place,
Speaker 3: and we're like, all right, it don't matter.
Speaker 1: You can call it whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Right this contract is in place, and whatever money comes in,
Speaker 3: this is the percentage that I get.
Speaker 1: This is the percentage that he gets.
Speaker 3: So you can call it whatever you want. You can
Speaker 3: dress it up however you want to dress it up.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter to us. Whatever comes across that table.
Speaker 3: This is my cut, this is his cut, that's your cut.
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying, And that's how we rolled
Speaker 3: and move forward. But you know, when you start realizing
Speaker 3: that everything is starting to look like a salary. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know salary.
Speaker 1: Right, they keeping you at the same number.
Speaker 2: And then okay, so I see what you saying, because
Speaker 2: he's always saying that, yo, I paid them this number
Speaker 2: even though the company didn't earn that number, but I
Speaker 2: kept that number there because I pulled money from here, there,
Speaker 2: and everywhere to keep that number. That y'all saying, now,
Speaker 2: you slick put us on a salary. It's a salary, bro, Like,
Speaker 2: come on, we're not doing that.
Speaker 3: That's a good game salary, like I'm not and again,
Speaker 3: a good game. He tried it, that's good game. But
Speaker 3: it's like it's not gonna work with Like, I'm chill,
Speaker 3: I'm cool, laid back, notionally, I'm not stupid.
Speaker 1: Though I didn't peep that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch you. I'm very observing. I see everything.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: We just sold sixteen hundred tickets and I'm getting the
Speaker 3: same as when we sell eight hundred tickets.
Speaker 1: That's a salary.
Speaker 2: Home, Yeah, it's definitely what it sounds salary.
Speaker 3: And then and then when we again, there was so
Speaker 3: many conversations of us trying to make it right because.
Speaker 1: We knew what we had, we knew what we were building.
Speaker 3: And you know, I remember one conversation we had and
Speaker 3: you know, he looked at me and Rory and he's
Speaker 3: outside talking and we got into it.
Speaker 1: One day.
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, you know, after this contract is up,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put you all on the salary. And me
Speaker 3: and Roy looked at each other, like, who you talking
Speaker 3: to put on a salary? But that's what he always wanted,
Speaker 3: which is what he has now. You know, you're now
Speaker 3: now and they doing more work. I mean, I love parks, man,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I love parks, you know, And
Speaker 3: it's just you know, have you watched the show, no
Speaker 3: at all. No, have you seen any clips. Only when
Speaker 3: they're talking about me, only when he has something to
Speaker 3: say about it.
Speaker 2: Right right, and they don't usually talking now you do
Speaker 2: see it's kind of push back, like just show the numbers, listen, man,
Speaker 2: it knows like.
Speaker 3: And that's my thing, man, you know, and I don't
Speaker 3: I don't want to, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 3: disrupt anything that got over there.
Speaker 1: But you know, the.
Speaker 3: People gonna see eventually, and then you know, it's just
Speaker 3: you know, it's just fucked up man, because you know,
Speaker 3: I know those guys feel like like they can't you know,
Speaker 3: kick it with me. You know they are saw ice
Speaker 3: them follow me on social media like that, Beau.
Speaker 1: You know it's like, you know, I get it. Man,
Speaker 1: listen he being lowyer to the big home man. You know,
Speaker 1: I listen. I'm not I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 3: Man, It's just you know, they know the real and
Speaker 3: that's the thing that you know, you know, aside from
Speaker 3: a podcast and you know now people watching you and
Speaker 3: following in social media. I'm talking about let's, you know,
Speaker 3: go back to them days in Jersey, go back to them.
Speaker 3: You know, they know me and they know him, and
Speaker 3: they know the things they've been through with him. None
Speaker 3: of them never been through nothing with me. Fucked up ship.
Speaker 3: So it's like right right right, like we ain't gotta
Speaker 3: I ain't gotta do that, like you know, it's it
Speaker 3: just is what it is. And like I said, you know,
Speaker 3: I thank him for doing that. I thank him for
Speaker 3: you know, fucking us over and and doing.
Speaker 1: What make us go get our own Jersey. Man.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it was beautiful, like you know, he he
Speaker 3: it was you know, it was a hat trick.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I respect it. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you did what you had to do,
Speaker 3: and that was part of the story and part of
Speaker 3: the journey. Like every nothing, nothing is an accident. You know,
Speaker 3: everything has its has its meaning, everything has its purpose.
Speaker 3: So you know, I look at that now and I'm like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 3: If you don't do that.
Speaker 1: I don't have my own jersey. Yeah. Made me go
Speaker 1: by the team. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I was happy setting the screen.
Speaker 3: I knew I could get thirty if I want to
Speaker 3: go get thirty. I knew I could go get there.
Speaker 3: I could go get thirty. But if you if you hot,
Speaker 3: I'm feeding you because I don't. It's no ego and
Speaker 3: play with me. Sure we get the w in the
Speaker 3: locker room. That's all I give a fuck about. I
Speaker 3: don't care about all that other shit is ego.
Speaker 1: Ship.
Speaker 3: I always got attention from girls, I always got respect
Speaker 3: from niggas and the streets home.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: So it's it's you know, I don't. It's like, yo, listen,
Speaker 3: we building something with a team.
Speaker 1: Let's be a team for sure.
Speaker 2: When you rewind the tape, like you say, the Patreon
Speaker 2: deal comes to mind. Y'all had just turned down the
Speaker 2: Spotify deal and then all of a sudden, he shows
Speaker 2: up with a Patreon deal that has some name on
Speaker 2: it that I don't even hear him, not mentioned anymore,
Speaker 2: but where he had took the podcast to Patreon. You
Speaker 2: didn't clap bet that moment. There's a there's a video
Speaker 2: going around when he you know, Rory, see Rory gave
Speaker 2: into his his his feelings in that moment just to.
Speaker 1: Keep Rory has a better poker face. Yeah, he was like,
Speaker 1: now I'm happy for you, bro.
Speaker 3: You know you was like yeah, because again it was
Speaker 3: so much shit going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: It was done then, Oh it was for me. For me,
Speaker 1: it was done.
Speaker 3: You know when he told Rory not to come in,
Speaker 3: and you know that bothered me.
Speaker 1: Because it's like you was clean on how he looked
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was like, yo, but he don't work
Speaker 3: for you, like we partners in it. And then, like
Speaker 3: I said, even if you have an issue with something
Speaker 3: Rory said or did, you should talk to me first
Speaker 3: about it and then let's let's like all sit down together,
Speaker 3: you know. And then when we had a talk that
Speaker 3: we had and you know, he said the things he said,
Speaker 3: and then you know he told me, oh, it's none
Speaker 3: of your it's none of your business, and it's none
Speaker 3: of my big I paid the taxes on.
Speaker 1: It, and at one moment I'm sitting behind the costs.
Speaker 3: And the other moment it ain't none of my business.
Speaker 1: So it's like rough to deal with.
Speaker 3: And this is what I'm saying, a lot of the
Speaker 3: listeners they lose sight of these things because you know,
Speaker 3: he's good at spending and throwing things at you, and
Speaker 3: you can't really keep up with everything he's saying.
Speaker 1: My thing is just reminded tapes and listen. Right, let's
Speaker 1: talk about their Patreon moment.
Speaker 2: So you're saying you didn't kind of you understood that
Speaker 2: there was a fifty two fake out.
Speaker 3: Not only it wasn't that there was a fifty two
Speaker 3: fake out. It was Okay, here's another deal with more
Speaker 3: money coming into the show that we can and we
Speaker 3: still don't have accounting.
Speaker 1: That's what that was.
Speaker 3: So when he says he showed us the accounting, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but you showed us an Excel spreadsheet that your accounting
Speaker 3: didn't send, your manager sent, because had your accountant sent
Speaker 3: that your account would have lost his accountant license because
Speaker 3: there was one hundred and forty some thousand dollars quote
Speaker 3: unquote mistake. I said, who We didn't even know who
Speaker 3: that company was, Like what company is that we paid
Speaker 3: this money out to? And his responsible or that was
Speaker 3: a mistake. So we said, okay, one hundred and forty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars steak. I don't know no account that makes
Speaker 3: a mistake that big, but okay, corrected and sent back
Speaker 3: to the correct one. We never got another one after that.
Speaker 1: He try to add, like this, taxes, Come.
Speaker 3: On, man, show the taxes. See because like I said,
Speaker 3: you could you could play games, you could cook the
Speaker 3: books easy. You can't cook the book expenses. You can't
Speaker 3: do that with taxes. So you know, you know again,
Speaker 3: like I said, we're not tripping because and.
Speaker 1: This is about the information.
Speaker 2: The reason why, the reason why we're speaking about it
Speaker 2: is because in this space, right, they have these percentage
Speaker 2: based deals. They have these deals in place where you
Speaker 2: can go get a percentage base. Hey, y'all don't own this,
Speaker 2: but every million that comes in we busted down seven
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, three hundred thousand, right, And so we have
Speaker 2: to learn about how y'all navigated through this, what the
Speaker 2: mistakes was, what with the ends and outs are, and
Speaker 2: how y'all took that information to do what it is
Speaker 2: y'all doing now, because not only did y'all leave this
Speaker 2: situation with youll brands in yall hand y'all win and
Speaker 2: evolved those into the new Rory and Mom's show and
Speaker 2: took that on the road and brought that into skits
Speaker 2: and took that into getting to deal with serious and
Speaker 2: and that's what I'm saying. I just want the fans
Speaker 2: to know that this is never about sitting around going
Speaker 2: into the depths of this to child.
Speaker 3: I just want people to be very clear and and
Speaker 3: and business right, you know. And I want my mistakes
Speaker 3: and my situations to be somebody's learning curve and somebody's
Speaker 3: you know, elevation Like okay, I can't do that. And
Speaker 3: if you know, you and your your team or you
Speaker 3: got a crew and y'all doing business together, like you know,
Speaker 3: just just make sure everything is open on the table
Speaker 3: and everybody has access to the to the numbers and
Speaker 3: the accounting you know, where they can go in and check.
Speaker 3: Cause we that's what we kept fighting for and let's
Speaker 3: just get a quick book and let's we all have
Speaker 3: access to it. We can go in and see it
Speaker 3: whenever we want. These are all things that we brought
Speaker 3: to the table, and you know, everything was frowned upon.
Speaker 3: Everything was like, nah, you know, it's just like but
Speaker 3: we're partners, so why can't we just have a quick
Speaker 3: book to where we can see the numbers.
Speaker 1: That's how it should be. That's how it should be.
Speaker 3: Like with me and Rory, we bro we have zero
Speaker 3: money issues. Like I'm talking about zero, Like it's crazy
Speaker 3: because you know, when you're in a room with somebody
Speaker 3: and you in business with somebody, they'll sometimes make it
Speaker 3: seem like some things are so impossible and it's like
Speaker 3: stop them.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about these companies because they do that.
Speaker 3: It's not your listen when people start moving like that,
Speaker 3: that's a play doing that, and that's that.
Speaker 1: Be very clear about that.
Speaker 3: Like it's because, like I said, Rory myself now being
Speaker 3: in business with each other and having our own media company.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, we'll fly y'all, we'll pay for this, we'll
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: It's nothing, Bro, it's the most it's just so simple.
Speaker 3: And we we throw bullshit into the game and we
Speaker 3: create issues where there are no issues. And it's amazing
Speaker 3: to me the amount of things that we'll create and
Speaker 3: fuck up a beautiful thing. And it's like why, And
Speaker 3: then when you see the why, you like, was it
Speaker 3: worth it?
Speaker 1: Like was that?
Speaker 3: Like I think back to where we were headed, and
Speaker 3: he would have had if that wouldn't have happened, he
Speaker 3: would have had the one hundred men bro listen, man, that's.
Speaker 2: If he would have been able to not only keep
Speaker 2: that and then do what he did with the girls.
Speaker 2: And because that's another thing, people that hurt him so bad.
Speaker 2: But what happened to the network? I'm just asking you
Speaker 2: what happened that hurt him so bad?
Speaker 3: Talk to talk to the people, Talk to the talk
Speaker 3: to the ladies. Talk to the ladies, asking him what happened,
Speaker 3: Ask him what type of contracts he put on the
Speaker 3: table for them, because I don't want people to think that,
Speaker 3: you know, this is the thing where I'm trying to
Speaker 3: keep this going. Like I said, I'm kicking with you
Speaker 3: to give information about all other creators that's coming up, right,
Speaker 3: like you know, get your business right now, keep it together.
Speaker 2: And know what it looked like you know what I
Speaker 2: sounded like when you're getting fucked. What know, when you
Speaker 2: win a percentage based contract but can't get to count,
Speaker 2: that might be something.
Speaker 3: It's something there, it's a reason why you're not getting
Speaker 3: out of.
Speaker 1: You, you know what I'm saying. So that's what this is about.
Speaker 2: But but you know, I think it's just man, this
Speaker 2: shit is for me is weird. I never hear y'all
Speaker 2: speak about why y'all didn't start another podcast. Now, before
Speaker 2: we go there, let's talk about the network. Okay, the
Speaker 2: network situation. If that I think that y'all even hurts
Speaker 2: so bad as far as like image wise and and
Speaker 2: and uh far as trust and equity that people had
Speaker 2: in him and his whole just situation. You know, because
Speaker 2: he was talked, that created talking. He was rilling people up.
Speaker 2: People thought y'all were being quiet because y'all agreed. People
Speaker 2: didn't know y'all was being quiet because we asking for
Speaker 2: the things that you talking about from you right right.
Speaker 2: People didn't know that. And so people took y'all being
Speaker 2: quiet as they letting him get the creative talk off
Speaker 2: because he's top creator. But that wasn't what it was.
Speaker 2: But the fans received it that way when he went
Speaker 2: it at Charlemagne, y'all cleared out twenty thirty minutes and
Speaker 2: you don't own that, and I own this and you
Speaker 2: worked for I harden.
Speaker 3: But see that back to the Charlamagne thing, and that's
Speaker 3: why I had an issue. And this again love Charlemagne.
Speaker 3: I think he's amazing in our culture, some amazing things.
Speaker 3: But the reason I had an issue with Charlemagne was
Speaker 3: because when Old Boy went up there to promote the
Speaker 3: show that he had on Revolt at the time, they
Speaker 3: kept talking about the podcast deal, like they just wanted
Speaker 3: to know how much the deal was just that and
Speaker 3: the third and Charlemagne said, oh, yeah, well I think
Speaker 3: that they should have only been getting this amount. He
Speaker 3: said that on the show.
Speaker 1: They should only be getting this amount.
Speaker 3: Ye're like, he spoke on how much more I should
Speaker 3: be receiving. But add that to the fact that now
Speaker 3: we never got the accounting. So you see how words
Speaker 3: become powerful, especially when it becomes comes from figures in
Speaker 3: the culture that.
Speaker 1: Have a lot. Okay, okay, I get it. So it's like,
Speaker 1: while you.
Speaker 2: Will that you were fighting to get your real worth.
Speaker 2: It's like, Homie, I'm and you justifying that he chumping me.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 3: You're giving validation to somebody trying to steal. And now
Speaker 3: you're putting what you think I should you putting what
Speaker 3: you think my price is on me like we're from
Speaker 3: the streets. You can't tell me what I No matter
Speaker 3: how much I buy my work from you, it don't
Speaker 3: what I sell it for it you ain't got nothing
Speaker 3: to do with you as long as so. Now how
Speaker 3: you telling somebody what you think they should be given
Speaker 3: what my cut is? And then now fast forward, I
Speaker 3: can't even get accounting, so.
Speaker 2: I'm fighting for my real value. Now, then you tell.
Speaker 1: A voice in the cold.
Speaker 2: Now I don't left voice. You got a company you
Speaker 2: cutting checks? So they said, well another bout say, y'all
Speaker 2: owner should be getting this much. So I'm justified in
Speaker 2: what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Then I'm gonna go deeper than that. I don't know
Speaker 3: what you're saying behind closed doors. If my name come
Speaker 3: up in those rooms now.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know if my name they didn't know
Speaker 1: you were fighting for they man.
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm not mad at Charlamagne. But I
Speaker 3: felt some type of way about that because it was
Speaker 3: like Nigga I'm the new dude on the block.
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm humble. I don't you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't. Okay, fine, but.
Speaker 3: For you to say that, first of all, you don't
Speaker 3: never speak on what you think another man should be making.
Speaker 1: Number one, let the girls do that, right.
Speaker 3: Number two, it's like, I don't know if my name
Speaker 3: come up behind those doors in them buildings now in
Speaker 3: our heart and somebody say, yo, the mall dude from
Speaker 3: the from the podcast, Yo, what you think? I don't
Speaker 3: know what you're saying now.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 3: We think we want to give him a show. We
Speaker 3: think we think about giving them like four million. I
Speaker 3: don't give them a hundred.
Speaker 2: Thousand, right, Yeah, that'll make you think that.
Speaker 3: If you'll say that on Mike on the Breakfast, that'll
Speaker 3: make you.
Speaker 1: You'll say that behind closed doors for.
Speaker 3: Sure, that'll make you. So that's why I felt the
Speaker 3: way towards him. But you know that ship is over it, man,
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlemagne does like I said, Man, I know he's
Speaker 2: disappointed in Joe.
Speaker 1: Even when we talk about.
Speaker 3: The next was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He said it when he was on.
Speaker 2: He knew y'all was gonna happen. But he didn't know
Speaker 2: he was gonna turn on him. See, you gotta remember,
Speaker 2: Joe went and got Charlemagne too.
Speaker 1: He proceeds. I know how Joe got his audience.
Speaker 2: Some of that come from asks, some of that come
Speaker 2: from y'all, some of that come from Charlemagne. They all
Speaker 2: gave him access to the audience that he won't what
Speaker 2: it looks like giving anyone else access to. So when
Speaker 2: he went and got Charlemagne, you gotta remember to pull
Speaker 2: up happened? Who was there? You got Casanova. I don't
Speaker 2: hear brus say free Casanova. Respectfully, he went and got
Speaker 2: Casanova because he was into it with Takashi. You gotta
Speaker 2: rewind what's happening right when he got That's an over
Speaker 2: may though. These are people who were on the first
Speaker 2: little pull up thing. Charlemagne was the biggest name right
Speaker 2: that was giving you. He was stamping you, like when
Speaker 2: you would do your end of the year, Charlemagne to
Speaker 2: come do it.
Speaker 1: This was helping your brand, bro, This was.
Speaker 2: Helping you absolutely. And I think that Charlemagne didn't think that. Damn,
Speaker 2: he didn't start shooting at me too. He knew that
Speaker 2: he'll keep fucking with marble. Rory, you your head Gray.
Speaker 2: It's like he felt that everybody felt that you. He
Speaker 2: looked at you in a different light. He felt he
Speaker 2: felt different about.
Speaker 3: It because our relationship was different, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like it was a it was a lot of years there,
Speaker 3: and you know, he could say what do you want
Speaker 3: about it now? And you know certain things I'm hearing
Speaker 3: him say now, I know that he's that's just his
Speaker 3: way of like being all the way trying to just
Speaker 3: throw anything at the fire now. And it's like, bro,
Speaker 3: none of that is gonna stick. Cut it out, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like you can you can feel
Speaker 3: however you feel, because you know, I decided not to
Speaker 3: let you just shit on Rory, and I called you
Speaker 3: out on your bullshit and you was wrong and we
Speaker 3: know you were stealing and and you're mad because I
Speaker 3: call you every time your name is brought up in
Speaker 3: my presence.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a thief. You still won't say his name, man,
Speaker 1: That that says a lot.
Speaker 3: I will never say his name.
Speaker 1: That says a lot. Nah. But that's I'm just you.
Speaker 3: You hurt man. No, it's not that I'm hurt. I'm
Speaker 3: not how you won't say his name then, because I
Speaker 3: don't even want. I don't because it's not about it's
Speaker 3: about the situation. It's not about him. It's about the
Speaker 3: situation of what happened in the show and the company
Speaker 3: and everything that we had.
Speaker 1: But it's not about him.
Speaker 3: I don't have. It's no beef, it's none of That's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. Disappointment. That was your guy. Thought you
Speaker 1: had that, Oh yeah, for sure, locked up with that nigga.
Speaker 1: So it was love then look what happened.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. But it was only love
Speaker 3: on one side. It was love for me anytime anytime
Speaker 3: anybody you know has a relationship with me, I have
Speaker 3: a relationship with somebody like you know, you see you
Speaker 3: look around me. I got a lot of dudes that
Speaker 3: I've known since I was nine, ten eleven years old
Speaker 3: still around me to this day because I'm the same
Speaker 3: person I've been my entire life, Like I've always shown love,
Speaker 3: always shown respect, you know what I'm saying, Always kept
Speaker 3: in one hundred with niggas. Like if you see niggas
Speaker 3: that and I'm no longer fuck with them, and you
Speaker 3: you find out what happened it's not me, Homie. I
Speaker 3: don't know what you're battling internally. Like I said with Homie,
Speaker 3: I know it's an ego thing. He always wanted to
Speaker 3: be that guy. And that's why I respectfully just moved
Speaker 3: out the way and let him have it. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to believe.
Speaker 2: If he always wanted to be that guy, for sure,
Speaker 2: most rappers want to be that guy for sure.
Speaker 3: And that's that's why I said it. And that's that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get in the way of what you
Speaker 3: see for yourself. If you feel like I'm in the
Speaker 3: way of that, I'll.
Speaker 1: Step out the way, Homie. I'll let you have it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna argue with you. I'm not gonna battle you.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go to court and try to sue
Speaker 3: you and under and if you and this is another thing,
Speaker 3: rewind the tape he set out his mouth.
Speaker 1: If we try to start the show, y'all, yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, So you gotta these are
Speaker 3: the things that you know. I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 3: the listeners and the supporters are very They lose sight
Speaker 3: of a lot of things. But it's like just rewind
Speaker 3: the tapes.
Speaker 2: I can imagine y'all being disappointed. If you're asking for accounting,
Speaker 2: then cashp Logo pops up, then the network pops up,
Speaker 2: then Spotify.
Speaker 1: Thing you know is already happened.
Speaker 3: But in his mind, they only wanted to do a
Speaker 3: deal with him.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a partner.
Speaker 3: He didn't feel like. He didn't feel like it was
Speaker 3: because of the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's the same fight he was saving a complex. It's
Speaker 1: the same fight he was having with Shady and.
Speaker 3: The slaughter House group. He asked, He asked pauling them
Speaker 3: for accounting.
Speaker 1: So I don't understand it. I know you though you're not.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna unders then, because it's gonna the goal
Speaker 3: post is gonna move when it has to do with
Speaker 3: him and and him having it having to show his character.
Speaker 2: Did the network start why y'all were y'all were still
Speaker 2: there right, Yes, yeah, y'all carried the network?
Speaker 1: The network was, y'all wasn't no show another show was?
Speaker 3: The network is literally just his YouTube channel. No, I'm
Speaker 3: being serious, bro, The network is literally because again a
Speaker 3: lot of people didn't know.
Speaker 1: We didn't So what about the funding of the other shows?
Speaker 2: When he paid, you know, shout out caring he paid Karen,
Speaker 2: when he paid Mandy?
Speaker 1: Did he paid it? Where you? Where did you think
Speaker 1: that money came from? And I know, but did he
Speaker 1: pay him? I don't know. You can stand okay, so,
Speaker 1: but but you're saying that the podcast was the network.
Speaker 1: It was the anchor.
Speaker 3: If it's no, if there's no podcast, there's no none
Speaker 3: of the other ship.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, it was the anchor. We definitely came to.
Speaker 3: So this is what I'm trying to say, is you
Speaker 3: know the networking, it's just a YouTube channel, homie that
Speaker 3: was built off of the podcast. But in his mind,
Speaker 3: because he had that YouTube channel, since he had his
Speaker 3: videos up there, that's why he didn't want to pay
Speaker 3: us on the YouTube.
Speaker 1: That's fun. We can go back. We can go back
Speaker 1: and look on YouTube.
Speaker 3: You can literally see what videos bringing in, what money monetizing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what makes them great.
Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, tell you when subscribe with Spiked,
Speaker 2: it tells you all of that.
Speaker 3: I feel like, this is your channel. You started this
Speaker 3: back in the early two thousands.
Speaker 1: Ain't keep that over there because we know what that
Speaker 1: was bringing.
Speaker 3: Little enough, Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1: Starving.
Speaker 3: Right, But once you start putting this podcast on there, we're.
Speaker 2: Looking at a little something coming in there. Just what
Speaker 2: was the conversation about not being paid from video? So
Speaker 2: and my understanding is correctly, he only monetized. He only
Speaker 2: paid you guys to monetize the audio.
Speaker 1: He did not pay out for the video. You didn't
Speaker 1: get nothing from YouTube. I don't know a deal like that.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of.
Speaker 3: Of course you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't get nothing from the video and your talent
Speaker 2: on camera, you're recording me but not getting me nothing
Speaker 2: from video. It's crazy, Joe, I gotta talk to you,
Speaker 2: but that's crazy.
Speaker 1: All of the things that we humbly said, Okay.
Speaker 2: When y'all asked for video money or hey, what's up
Speaker 2: with what? What was the conversations then.
Speaker 3: His manager said, no, it's not happening. He's not paying
Speaker 3: here for that. He said, okay, no problem, humbly, ain't
Speaker 3: no problem. This is what I'm saying you how long you.
Speaker 2: He didn't even say that money i'm giving you no
Speaker 2: counts as the video.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, you're not getting paid from video
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: That's wold, that's.
Speaker 2: He's and you're monetizing it in my face. You got
Speaker 2: six cameras in my face. It is wow, and my
Speaker 2: face is still up there, and y'all, and you know,
Speaker 2: Fred Taylor, I believe got a law, a settlement of
Speaker 2: some sorts. I think he was talking about like him
Speaker 2: and b did some business to like, Yo, I need
Speaker 2: some of that for sure, I'm gonna take that down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He said, Well, I take
Speaker 2: that back. He said he didn't want to take it
Speaker 2: down and be probably be gonna.
Speaker 1: Just cut the chick.
Speaker 3: But that's you know, their relationship is probably different, and
Speaker 3: it's probably not too much ego between those two gentlemen
Speaker 3: or it's not, you know, they probably it's just they're
Speaker 3: not dealing with the type of person I would be
Speaker 3: dealing with if I tried to do that. So you
Speaker 3: know what again, but the important.
Speaker 1: Thing was it was all for the culture and us.
Speaker 3: Building what we were building, and Rory and myself didn't
Speaker 3: want to interrupt that.
Speaker 1: Man, So we dealt with a lot man like that's heavy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So we got six cameras in my face, monetizing twice
Speaker 2: a week on YouTube and telling me, you're not paying
Speaker 2: me as wild.
Speaker 3: But we did it because we saw the value and
Speaker 3: we didn't want to disrupt it because we like then
Speaker 3: we see that.
Speaker 1: And he would always say, you gotta stop. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you what I asked, Fred, when y'all left
Speaker 2: the show? Were you trying to tank the show?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: See, when we left, when we left, right, I had Uh.
Speaker 3: It was because he had told Rory not to come in,
Speaker 3: and you know, I didn't like that, and then I
Speaker 3: showed up at the studio and you know, we had
Speaker 3: to talk. And then when he told me it was
Speaker 3: none of my business. To me, it was over with
Speaker 3: at that point because I can't unhear you say that,
Speaker 3: you know, And I can never sit down in the
Speaker 3: room with you and act like, excuse me, act like
Speaker 3: you didn't say that. So when I left at that point,
Speaker 3: I told Rory, I said, yeah, it's over. You know,
Speaker 3: he said what he said, and I can't. I can't
Speaker 3: sit down in the room with that dude after that,
Speaker 3: not not not him saying that, and then not knowing
Speaker 3: everything that we agree not to get paid from and everything,
Speaker 3: knowing everything we built. It's just like, all right, enough
Speaker 3: is enough? Like you just it's like you not gonna
Speaker 3: We took a small percentage to begin with, a percentage
Speaker 3: that nobody would have agreed to, and we're not getting
Speaker 3: paid on YouTube. And then now you stand in my
Speaker 3: face and tell me this is none of my business
Speaker 3: when I'm paying the taxes on the money that's coming in.
Speaker 3: So for me, it was done there. Rory begged me
Speaker 3: to have a meeting once he got back, so we
Speaker 3: all went to his house and sat down and talked,
Speaker 3: and he agreed. He said, yeah, we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 3: gonna get the account and right, get the account and
Speaker 3: sent to your people.
Speaker 1: Da da da da da.
Speaker 3: Let's all go to our corners and we're gonna get
Speaker 3: everything right and then we'll come back and you know,
Speaker 3: we'll we'll we'll, we'll reconvene and and move forward. Like
Speaker 3: we just take a pause. Everybody go to their corner,
Speaker 3: all right. Cool. Next thing I know, three days later,
Speaker 3: he got these two new dudes recording episode. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: we just had a talk at your crib and you
Speaker 3: said we're gonna take some a week off and get
Speaker 3: all the paperwork right and then we'll reconvene. Now all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you got two new dudes sitting in there.
Speaker 3: It's like, all right, cool man. That was a slap
Speaker 3: in the face at that point. I mean, I was
Speaker 3: done anyway, so it didn't matter, only because Rory you know,
Speaker 3: kept talking to me and kept begging me to, you know,
Speaker 3: try to make it right.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: And then when we were supposed to get we end
Speaker 3: up going back and we did two episodes. And in
Speaker 3: that time of that two episodes, we only did that
Speaker 3: because we were being told that the accounting was being
Speaker 3: done and was on the way, and that Friday was
Speaker 3: supposed to be when the accounting was going to be sent.
Speaker 3: And then when that Friday came, his manager reached out
Speaker 3: and was like, yeah, he said that that is the
Speaker 3: accounting and that he's not sending nothing else. It's literally
Speaker 3: what he said. He said that the accounting that the
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty thousand dollars mistake was on was
Speaker 3: the accounting and he's not sending that even straight.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's wow. So so niggas is crazy. So
Speaker 1: but this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But then but then you got yourrrrrr, your manager in
Speaker 3: the room when we don't show up and you yelling
Speaker 3: at Rory's fired and all this. I hear his manager
Speaker 3: told me, I told you you was paying the more
Speaker 3: than they was more than you.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who because we went and got a motherfucking a
Speaker 3: multimillion dollar deal. Serious ex So who was he overpaying?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Because he said that he was being more generous than
Speaker 2: he should have been.
Speaker 1: And all of that. I remember that. Yeah, how does
Speaker 1: he know? And he not a partner and you don't
Speaker 1: know or is he a partner too? The manager?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he know what he he know what he's taking.
Speaker 3: He know he know the money that's being stolen.
Speaker 1: He knows that. Bring the paperwork.
Speaker 3: We don't have to do none of this again.
Speaker 1: Right right? Right? Should account? I would shoulder. I would
Speaker 1: show he can't. Yeah, he can't.
Speaker 3: I will, I would show it he can't.
Speaker 2: That's why I never heard you speak about why y'all
Speaker 2: didn't start a podcast, why y'all were there or spin
Speaker 2: off for speak to some of those narratives that people say, Yo,
Speaker 2: they didn't create the value outside of sitting on camera
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when y'all I'm talking about why y'all were there,
Speaker 2: but in my opinion, I would say with damn they
Speaker 2: they were fighting for the money from what they were doing.
Speaker 2: I don't see how you can create something while you're
Speaker 2: still saying, hold up, I ain't properly paid for.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See that's the thing again, people don't. I don't know
Speaker 3: how clear we you know, we talked about this a
Speaker 3: few times, right just for like the creators. If you
Speaker 3: have a you're starting to show with your homies in
Speaker 3: a basement, you know it ain't no no money involved,
Speaker 3: no nothing, and y'all building something, and y'all look up
Speaker 3: one day and y'all got a fucking audience and people
Speaker 3: tuning in, and you know now, you know, people are
Speaker 3: starting to reach out and things like that.
Speaker 1: You see it now.
Speaker 3: Now it's becoming a business, and y'all have a contract
Speaker 3: with each other and say, okay, this is the percentage
Speaker 3: that we're gonna split. This is how we're gonna bust
Speaker 3: it whatever bag comes. This is how we busting it down.
Speaker 1: Right now, when the.
Speaker 3: Bag comes and you don't see the numbers that's coming in,
Speaker 3: and you don't see what's being paid in and paid out,
Speaker 3: you don't know what if you get in your like
Speaker 3: it's like home hold on. Before any of this became
Speaker 3: a thing, we had this contract. But again you're talking
Speaker 3: to somebody that has said that they don't honor contract.
Speaker 2: Right, and then I've seen when you said it back
Speaker 2: to him, and then he didn't receive that the same way.
Speaker 1: Of course he can't.
Speaker 3: Because anything if you tell somebody like listen, this is
Speaker 3: something that you said, and then now you're moving like
Speaker 3: this is something you said and they know that, the
Speaker 3: people gonn look at you like, oh, that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: Of course you're gonna try to act like you never
Speaker 3: said that. It's like, bro, I'm not I would never
Speaker 3: sit him live about anybody. You're on camera saying that before.
Speaker 3: Plenty of times you've done business like that with people,
Speaker 3: plenty of times, Like it's not something I'm just saying
Speaker 3: where I fucked up at And it's again the type
Speaker 3: of man and my mother raised treat people the way
Speaker 3: you want to be treated. So because I would never
Speaker 3: do that to him, benefit that to me.
Speaker 1: You stand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a lesson learned, and you know,
Speaker 3: to other creatives out there, you know, just be careful man,
Speaker 3: because you.
Speaker 2: Know, no know what it sounds like, you know know
Speaker 2: what it looked like, you know what it feels like.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And the more important, something don't feel right.
Speaker 1: It's something not right right.
Speaker 2: And when I when I when I look at it
Speaker 2: and think about y'all, sometimes I say to myself, that
Speaker 2: was one of the best shows ever to be.
Speaker 1: Created, man, And it was that podcast was.
Speaker 2: So chemistry, the depth of it, the time y'all put
Speaker 2: in it, Man to just evolve it amazing.
Speaker 3: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: We have some great, great, great times man, last great ship.
Speaker 3: But you know, unfortunately, like we've seen time and Tom
Speaker 3: always Bro, you know that money come into play.
Speaker 1: Man and break the pool balls.
Speaker 3: Man, it just it's you know, but that's it's a
Speaker 3: deeper thing with us when it comes to money and
Speaker 3: things like that. It's just something that we can't get past.
Speaker 3: Like we just always feel like we got to do
Speaker 3: each other dirty or do each other wrong when when
Speaker 3: when money come in, because you know, for some of
Speaker 3: us we've never had. But but to me it's the opposite,
Speaker 3: Like I I can't do you dirty behind something I
Speaker 3: never had, because it's like I don't.
Speaker 1: I never had it.
Speaker 3: I'm not missing that shit.
Speaker 1: I never had it, right.
Speaker 3: So when you do me dirty for some shit that
Speaker 3: you never had, it's weird, super weird.
Speaker 1: Say, nigga, we.
Speaker 3: Never even had that type of money, Like, why would
Speaker 3: you do your man dirty for that type of money
Speaker 3: when you never had it? So it's like, nigga, what
Speaker 3: does it matter? You was able to survive thisislan without
Speaker 3: that type of money, understand, so to do.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. Man.
Speaker 3: And then, like I said, I've seen how things look
Speaker 3: when now on this side, when you know business is.
Speaker 1: Done, you're more happy now.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's you know what me and Rory
Speaker 3: are doing, man, is again we were moving at our
Speaker 3: own pace, were creating at our own pace, were doing
Speaker 3: business at our own pace.
Speaker 1: Man, it's beautiful, man.
Speaker 3: And you know, traveling the world doing these shows and
Speaker 3: getting out here touching the people and having these one
Speaker 3: on one conversations with people that tune in and support
Speaker 3: weekly it's humbling, man. You know, it's humbling to go
Speaker 3: to the UK and people that that's a big move. Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know how long.
Speaker 1: Y'all been on y'all loan not even that long.
Speaker 3: To be a septemberated year.
Speaker 2: What yeah, one year, one year and you in London
Speaker 2: And that's fucking dope, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, man, if these other podcast niggas don't salute that,
Speaker 1: I salute that.
Speaker 3: But that's why I'm sitting here with you for sure.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of niggas don't fuck with me, man,
Speaker 3: I think because they you know, people don't fuck with
Speaker 3: you when they see everything that they're not.
Speaker 1: In you, right, and they intimidated me.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know when they hear me talk and say, oh,
Speaker 3: you know these niggas suckers that they know I'm talking
Speaker 3: to them, but I don't know that because I don't
Speaker 3: know how exactly. So you know a lot of niggas
Speaker 3: don't you know, they don't they don't speak to me,
Speaker 3: and they don't you know what they talk crazy about
Speaker 3: me behind clubs. And it's like, man if y'all niggas
Speaker 3: only knew, Man, I show love sure you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, I ain't got it, I ain't gotta
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not gonna get with over though podcast
Speaker 3: money ship. I don't care about that man. So you
Speaker 3: know I'm just me man, And and like I said,
Speaker 3: what me and Rory are doing is beautiful.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, we're having a lot of fun with this ship, man.
Speaker 3: And I promise we got so much ship that we're
Speaker 3: putting together, man, and that we were gready to jump into. Man.
Speaker 3: And it's it's gonna be you know. We the people
Speaker 3: see it though, They see what we're carving out, and
Speaker 3: they see the lane we were going into for sure.
Speaker 3: And you know, we we have the we have the
Speaker 3: right people supporting us. We got the right people behind us.
Speaker 3: You know, shout out to U t A, shout out
Speaker 3: to Rich Paul Agent, Orn bigs Benner hip Hop.
Speaker 2: You know, we got the right We got the right
Speaker 2: people behind them. Sure, how strong is their brotherhood between
Speaker 2: you and mam? Did that make y'all strong? I'm sorry
Speaker 2: you and Rory? How strong is that brotherhood between you
Speaker 2: and Rory? Did that make y'all strong?
Speaker 1: Going through that? Oh? Yeah absolutely? Man.
Speaker 3: You know it's like I said, Rory and not myself. Now,
Speaker 3: we just sometimes we don't even have to talk. We'll
Speaker 3: look at each other. We just know what it is
Speaker 3: on top. Yeah, like, oh man, here we go with
Speaker 3: this shit. But more importantly, we just we just know
Speaker 3: what we ain't going for, you know, no holes, just
Speaker 3: like we not even entertaining that.
Speaker 2: You know, when I look back at it too, I
Speaker 2: want the young creators to pay attention to this is
Speaker 2: a very important situation. You guys operated in a certain way,
Speaker 2: holding on to information that you didn't have account that
Speaker 2: money was coming in at some point of time, and
Speaker 2: even if it had stopped coming in, there's logos popping up,
Speaker 2: there's Patreon, but there's certain things happening, and we're still
Speaker 2: waiting on accounting from a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: And so that led to frustration.
Speaker 2: But you guys operated with that information as best as
Speaker 2: you know how. And everybody talks about y'all and how
Speaker 2: y'all acting on camera and maybe our wordiness enthused as
Speaker 2: they thought you should have been, or involved as they
Speaker 2: thought you should have been, But nobody ever talks about
Speaker 2: how Joe responded to when y'all had the conversation with
Speaker 2: Parks about something ain't going right. I think Parks when
Speaker 2: it said something which Joe responded in a way that.
Speaker 1: Was oh, that's when he told Rory, you have to
Speaker 1: come in. This is a problem. Now.
Speaker 2: As the boss, how you handle that information is very important, right,
Speaker 2: you don't come emotional like that as the boss.
Speaker 3: But the emotion was there because see what it ultimately was.
Speaker 3: We were in the studio and you know, Rory and
Speaker 3: myself were like thereafter Homie had left and the staff
Speaker 3: started talking to us because they weren't comfortable talking to
Speaker 3: him because whenever they talked to him about things that's
Speaker 3: bothering up or you know, money or being paid or
Speaker 3: things like that, it's always meant with anger and yelling and.
Speaker 1: Things like that.
Speaker 3: With us, they know the energy is different, so they
Speaker 3: decided to start having a conversation with us and and
Speaker 3: and and voicing some of their discrepancies. So we was like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're like, oh shit, we didn't even know that that
Speaker 3: was happening, Like all right, Will.
Speaker 1: And then you know.
Speaker 3: Parks being who you know, he's friends with Homies manager,
Speaker 3: and you know, he decided to after that meeting to
Speaker 3: call him and tell him, hey, some of the guys
Speaker 3: are not happy. And I guess Homie felt like that
Speaker 3: was Rory's dealing but it wasn't right. So when he
Speaker 3: told Rory not to come in, it was based off
Speaker 3: because he felt like Rory had started a meeting, and
Speaker 3: he didn't. We was just there and we left the
Speaker 3: studio late and the guys decided to kick it with
Speaker 3: us about the situation.
Speaker 1: They felt a way about it.
Speaker 3: It's not our fault that they're comfortable talking to us
Speaker 3: about these things.
Speaker 2: Right, and he and see people never said, Yo, Joe,
Speaker 2: you ow overreacted to getting information that your people are unhappy.
Speaker 2: As the boss, nigga, what you think I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: do with my family?
Speaker 1: Come tell me they unhappy?
Speaker 3: But you know why, because he felt like he wasn't
Speaker 3: in the room so he couldn't spend narratives and dance
Speaker 3: when people start saying what they're unhappy about. He felt like, no,
Speaker 3: I need to be in there, because he.
Speaker 1: Said, he felt it was cowardly.
Speaker 2: He don't understand it, don't no matter what you your
Speaker 2: family unhappy. So at this point, as the boss, as
Speaker 2: the father, as the head that you say you is,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to take that situation and comb through it
Speaker 2: and not come back and say.
Speaker 3: You only only that's nervous energy. Somebody start acting like that,
Speaker 3: and you know, found the gold.
Speaker 2: Nig I thought I stayed that's.
Speaker 1: What That's all. It's nervous energy.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh shit, and that start confirming to you, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm from where I know what this means and you
Speaker 2: won't show me. Of course, man, I'm putting two intwo thegether.
Speaker 3: So not only do not only are we not we
Speaker 3: know we getting fucked, but now even the.
Speaker 1: Staff I feel like they getting fucked.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we know what this is. And and that's
Speaker 3: why for me, it was whack for Parks to take
Speaker 3: that stance, because Parks knows and I've said that on
Speaker 3: two Parks he's he's had and and and that bothered
Speaker 3: me because when when we had our meeting outside at
Speaker 3: Park's crib, he pulled Parks outside and he asks Parks,
Speaker 3: he said, yo, do me and you have any money
Speaker 3: issues or business issues? And Parks said no, without putting
Speaker 3: Park's business out there, that's a lie of known Parks.
Speaker 3: Parks has engineered and recorded records that he hasn't been
Speaker 3: paid for ever, and he's voiced that he's he's recording
Speaker 3: multiple shows and he's getting paid a saundar.
Speaker 1: So you say he's.
Speaker 3: Into deep and I understand it, and I'm not mad.
Speaker 1: We don't he but do you think he got the
Speaker 1: talent that you and Road ricat.
Speaker 3: Though as far as personality, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's do you think I'll rephrase
Speaker 1: the question.
Speaker 2: Because he's played off camera so long, does he have
Speaker 2: the ability to pivot in the way that y'all did
Speaker 2: because y'all faces were so recognizable by.
Speaker 1: Being on camera for five years. I have a hun
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: I think that Parks is. I think that he's super talented.
Speaker 3: He's super he's super smart when it comes to music.
Speaker 3: He's like a super nerd, right, And I say that respectfully.
Speaker 3: You know, he he's a hip hop head, very talented.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't know if he wants
Speaker 3: to be a personality. I think that his passion more
Speaker 3: so is in the music mixing, uh, you know, playing,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that's where his passion lies. I
Speaker 3: don't know if his passion is I think that the
Speaker 3: podcast is just fell into his lap, right, But I
Speaker 3: don't think that he, uh, he wants to be a
Speaker 3: personality quote unquote, I don't think that's what he wants.
Speaker 3: I think that he would rather be creating music and
Speaker 3: mixing and recording music at a high level for for
Speaker 3: some some really really high art high level artists, and
Speaker 3: he'll be comfortable, Oh because he's a that's his that's
Speaker 3: his past. Yeah, Parks, and that's that speaks to why
Speaker 3: he was comfortable off camera. Yeah, but and that and
Speaker 3: you know, and that he should play into that and
Speaker 3: he has he did play into which is why that
Speaker 3: it was the blend we had was perfect because it
Speaker 3: was literally real relationship like so and then Parks, like
Speaker 3: I said, being uh, the the just the the the
Speaker 3: ear that he has and for the sound and how
Speaker 3: how the show should sound and things like that and
Speaker 3: just mixing it and you know, audio wise, the show
Speaker 3: sounded amazing, you know what I mean. So I think
Speaker 3: that that's what his strength is. I just think again
Speaker 3: he's just he's a little into deep personally and business
Speaker 3: wise right now with everything that he can't really voice
Speaker 3: his his frustrations and and things like that. But he's
Speaker 3: he's married. Now.
Speaker 1: Congrats.
Speaker 3: I didn't you know, I didn't speak to them since
Speaker 3: that day and I haven't spoken with anybody over there,
Speaker 3: So congrats to him. And again I want to be
Speaker 3: very clear, it's no beef with anybody, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Life is amazing life is beautiful, My car
Speaker 3: is beautiful.
Speaker 1: You you selling that ship? Yeah, I mean we you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's it's who I am, man.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, you can teach how to fish in
Speaker 2: there you went and got the information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I'm here.
Speaker 3: Most importantly, man, I want creatives to know, like you're
Speaker 3: gonna run in the roadblocks, it's always gonna be some
Speaker 3: ship in the game that's gonna you know, tell you yo,
Speaker 3: fuck this ship, just you know, walk away?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how to identify some of these ship.
Speaker 3: Just I'm just telling you what to watch out for,
Speaker 3: what to be careful for. It's gonna happen. I don't
Speaker 3: care how long you feel like Homies was homies and this,
Speaker 3: that and the third. When you know you you want
Speaker 3: to know who your friends are. Put some money on
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 1: Man, it's gonna expose it everything.
Speaker 3: It's gonna expose it every time. And then you're gonna
Speaker 3: see what somebody think about you. You're gonna see how
Speaker 3: much they feel you worth. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You it's it's you know, go to the bathroom. Youre
Speaker 3: gonna come back. That pile won't look a little.
Speaker 1: You're gonna put something in pocket. It's just it's crazy, man.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you start seeing it like that,
Speaker 3: I thought these was the homies and you know that's life.
Speaker 3: That's a that's just a life lesson. That's why I said,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's no, it's no, it's no, it's
Speaker 3: no hard feelings.
Speaker 1: No one ever see y'all make it up. Nah, it's
Speaker 1: over with. Yeah, I'm cut from a different type of
Speaker 1: texture too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then like I said, he started saying too much
Speaker 3: after that, where it was like, you know, homie, we
Speaker 3: know you stole money, Like you can start trying to
Speaker 3: create these narratives all you want, and we don't have
Speaker 3: no resume.
Speaker 1: And you coddled coddle to me.
Speaker 3: You coddled me.
Speaker 1: Niggas you crazy like niggas that know me, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what's funny, like people that really know us.
Speaker 3: And then they heard that, they was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he just he gonna do anything but just tell he's
Speaker 3: gonna start saying anything but.
Speaker 1: The truth at this point.
Speaker 3: And that's why I'm just like, you know, you coddled me,
Speaker 3: Like all right, man, Like if that's the that's.
Speaker 1: What's the nature of the relationship. When did jaill? Like
Speaker 1: what what is he? What? What makes him even say that?
Speaker 3: I guess because like I was, you know, the house
Speaker 3: that he was renting he needed help, well, well yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he needed help on He always had roommates
Speaker 3: and things like that, which is not you know.
Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing, but it's it's it's rough
Speaker 2: to identify that as you know, coddling somebody, if that's
Speaker 2: what that means.
Speaker 3: In his and in his mind. I feel like he
Speaker 3: felt like I had to live with him, like I
Speaker 3: was homeless or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what type of story he's trying to
Speaker 3: create to justify his uh him stealing and or him
Speaker 3: doing whatever he did. I don't know. I don't really care.
Speaker 3: But the facts are the facts, and he know what
Speaker 3: the facts are. Like Homie cut it out, like you know,
Speaker 3: it was never that you know, wasn't that. You know
Speaker 3: me very well. I was never without anything. If I
Speaker 3: want something, I had it or I would go get it.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I think if y'all wanted to tank
Speaker 2: the show, like if y'all wasn't really trying to like
Speaker 2: make it work, that y'all wouldn't even done that Patreon
Speaker 2: like show up over that at all because, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: and I said this when I was speaking to Beat Marshall,
Speaker 2: one of the biggest tricks or one of the biggest
Speaker 2: coincidence coincidences I'll say in podcasting, is Joe Budden was
Speaker 2: able to transfer that audience before y'all left, right, He
Speaker 2: was able to take all of that interest that he had,
Speaker 2: number one that didn't get the deal and ball behind
Speaker 2: this creator talk and transferred that behind that paywall, and
Speaker 2: then y'all left. Now, granted, when y'all left, I imagine
Speaker 2: some of the people left too, but he was some
Speaker 2: of those people stayed to be nosy, that just stayed anyway, like,
Speaker 2: so he was able to that transfer of that audience
Speaker 2: was so fucking important. Why didn't well, I guess because
Speaker 2: y'all wasn't trying to take the show, do you what
Speaker 2: I mean? How many episodes did y'all do on Patreon?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Two? One? Uh?
Speaker 3: I think the deal was signed in January. In the
Speaker 3: February March is when we left.
Speaker 1: Did he did you know about the deal before he
Speaker 1: announced that? How?
Speaker 2: How long did what did you guys know about the
Speaker 2: deal before he announced?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Maybe a couple of weeks and didn't even that deal.
Speaker 3: Like I don't even know. I'm I remember he came
Speaker 3: in and was talking about something he was paying us
Speaker 3: in crypto or something like that, and then come to
Speaker 3: find out the deal we were we were supposed to get.
Speaker 3: I think more than that, Bro, I'm telling you, it's
Speaker 3: so much shit that I'm more than positive that we
Speaker 3: were old. But you know, I got people that call
Speaker 3: every week. You know why you ain't, why you ain't soon,
Speaker 3: go get your fucking money. Don't let him take that
Speaker 3: money like that. That's a lot of millions of dollars
Speaker 3: in But I'm just like, Bro, I don't. I'm just
Speaker 3: so different man. You know, I'm just a different type nigga.
Speaker 2: And you know what, Like I said, I pointed out
Speaker 2: their principal move you made.
Speaker 1: That's say, that's say a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, like I don't want to sit in no courtroom.
Speaker 2: And and man, I stopped fucking with my famous home boy.
Speaker 2: Who would have who would have kicked the white boy
Speaker 2: out the car kept me in the car. I stopped
Speaker 2: fucking with him because he wasn't keeping it solid about
Speaker 2: the situation. That man, come on and if Joe k
Speaker 2: argue with that, bro. That's that says something, bro.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying. He knows me. He I'm
Speaker 3: the same dude that sat in the cell because you
Speaker 3: had pills in the car. I sat in to sell
Speaker 3: with you for a weekend.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I never I don't pop pills. Come
Speaker 1: on your behalf. Man. I sat there with you. I was,
Speaker 1: I was sitting the screen, man, I was.
Speaker 3: I was always that guy like I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: because I know. See, you know what it is when
Speaker 3: you know who you are and you secure within yourself, comfortable,
Speaker 3: you comfortable, and not only that, you know that if
Speaker 3: I really start getting my ship off in here, these
Speaker 3: niggas gonna get upset.
Speaker 1: I can get thirty easy.
Speaker 3: They gonna they gonna get mad, they gonna get mad.
Speaker 3: It's like, now you know, I set the screen. But
Speaker 3: then it's like, you know, when I start getting my
Speaker 3: ship off, you look like you set in the screen,
Speaker 3: but you really pushing it. It's like you're really coming out,
Speaker 3: you really pushing that nigga yourself.
Speaker 1: I'm still getting off, but it's like you ain't.
Speaker 2: Really as I'm still I'm still knocking them down.
Speaker 3: Like, so, you know, you gotta be very and that's
Speaker 3: to these creatives. Man, you gotta be very careful of
Speaker 3: how much you show and when you show it, because
Speaker 3: when people see what you really got, they'll close them doors.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Sure, And that's what that's what I find. Like, even
Speaker 2: with somebody like Joe. I know, everybody around Joe and
Speaker 2: all them people they say, you know, man, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell you, man.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get I'm like, yo, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't see him shed light on anything that he
Speaker 2: doesn't benefit from, right, So I don't see him shed
Speaker 2: And even I tell you what I heard him say
Speaker 2: one time, he said he went to a dinner with
Speaker 2: a creator and the creator asks him how do I
Speaker 2: get ads?
Speaker 1: And he said, you want me to tell you how
Speaker 1: to get ads?
Speaker 2: And I to spend all my life doing this and
Speaker 2: you want me to just pass you the information. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's what the big homies supposed to do, right.
Speaker 2: So what happens is that's what I'm saying, And it hurts.
Speaker 2: It hurts the young creators because he talked so much
Speaker 2: creator talk.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying right now?
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, he has this unique I'll give him this.
Speaker 2: He has this unique ability to take his friends and
Speaker 2: or do a podcast amongst his friends that translates good
Speaker 2: on camera.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if everyone can do that, right.
Speaker 2: I think that what he what he's doing now is
Speaker 2: different than what he did then. I think that when
Speaker 2: I look at the show that he has now, if
Speaker 2: you said you don't watch it at all, no, damn,
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, uh, do you do you
Speaker 2: even think that them dudes are good at pard?
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean, I know those dudes, I know, I know,
Speaker 3: I is you know, he's he's in tune with a
Speaker 3: lot of the music, a lot of the new music
Speaker 3: that's out here with the young the younger generation. He's
Speaker 3: always been at that dude. He's always been the music
Speaker 3: dude that just listen to everybody.
Speaker 1: Just because you know music, don't mean you can pond.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's true.
Speaker 1: But it's is A.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a he's a he's a smart guy.
Speaker 3: He's a he's well spoken, he's articulate.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But I think I think that what he's trying to
Speaker 3: do is recreate the fact that there's a lot of years,
Speaker 3: there a lot of history amongst them, so that trying
Speaker 3: to reach that, which is which is important in podcasts
Speaker 3: and having the chemistry, having a real relationship with people
Speaker 3: that helps. I just think that I just think that
Speaker 3: they are kind of like I know Is more than
Speaker 3: anybody's looking at him a little funny, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't he don't do to him.
Speaker 3: I give him that, Oh yeah, because it's just he's
Speaker 3: he's he's very strong, opinionated.
Speaker 1: He's an opinionated guy.
Speaker 3: But I think more importantly, I think that you know,
Speaker 3: Is has a history with him as well.
Speaker 1: Where's like, I'm watching you.
Speaker 3: I'm watching you like I know because if you if
Speaker 3: you did it, if you did it to Mall, you
Speaker 3: definitely do it. But you're gonna try to do it
Speaker 3: with me, and it's going to happen. A zebra, a
Speaker 3: zebra can't change the stripes. Man, a player can't change
Speaker 3: his game and the knife and you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just a matter of I think the only reason
Speaker 3: why it hasn't happened yet it'll be too obvious, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's goning it's gonna drag
Speaker 3: out a little longer because it'll be too obvious at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I'm already I'm already hearing things, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm already hearing what he was trying to pay those
Speaker 3: guys to go on to.
Speaker 1: I'm already here. What happened to that? That too?
Speaker 2: Would have wait, I don't know, man, tool wouldn't have
Speaker 2: fuck away. I know that about tickets. They send me
Speaker 2: my money back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, man, you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what's going on over there.
Speaker 3: You know, it's Rory and Maul for over here.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to the show tomorrow too. Man, pull up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have fun.
Speaker 3: Man, listen. That's the that's the beauty about this thing. Man.
Speaker 3: We uh, we just were moving around and we were
Speaker 3: trying to just like I said, you know you you
Speaker 3: DM me. I've been watching you. I've been seeing what
Speaker 3: you do. I love your episode with a Little Baby.
Speaker 3: That's a show that I you know, I'm super proud
Speaker 3: of it. I came out here when he shot the
Speaker 3: video with Saint John. Yeah, for Trap, and I told
Speaker 3: the homies back in New York, I said, said that
Speaker 3: niggas official. Man, I like the little baby move. I say,
Speaker 3: he's official. I said them niggas was inside that motherfucking truck.
Speaker 3: They ain't get out until it was time to get
Speaker 3: say say yeah them niggas is moving right for sure.
Speaker 3: But but but seeing his documentary and then the interview
Speaker 3: with you and a few other interviews that I heard
Speaker 3: I heard, I just I fuck with him, man, because
Speaker 3: you can just tell his again you know, morals, yeah, integrity, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: He always on the right side of man. You know,
Speaker 1: it's family. You know.
Speaker 2: He put me in the hell of a position, you know,
Speaker 2: to roll out that album with me a number one
Speaker 2: album in the world at the time. It is like
Speaker 2: reaching and giving me that look. It's like, man, look
Speaker 2: you that ship you doing. We got to turn that up.
Speaker 2: And what's been happening here is the coach is doing
Speaker 2: that and that's so important.
Speaker 1: Man. It's like, damn, I he's so now. You know.
Speaker 2: I always tell I always tell baby like I'm in
Speaker 2: debt with them for that, just on the strength of
Speaker 2: they could have win anywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: Man, dude, can go anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2: Man, Not only did they do that, they called me
Speaker 2: and said, put that motherfucker out first, like days before
Speaker 2: we even start doing media. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: All of that so important.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn man, these are.
Speaker 3: Some real such See that goes back to what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: People are trying to make it seem like that's impossible,
Speaker 3: hard to do.
Speaker 2: Na.
Speaker 1: This is coming from the dude that got the number.
Speaker 3: One hour, you know what I'm saying, and he giving
Speaker 3: you that look and said put it out first. I
Speaker 3: wanted that to be the first look. You see how
Speaker 3: simple that is. But when somebody want.
Speaker 1: To do it, they gonna do it. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: it right.
Speaker 2: That's why we'll get the companies and we'll get off
Speaker 2: all of that, just get into business and companies and shit.
Speaker 2: That's why some of these companies they try to say
Speaker 2: certain things like you'd be like, yo, you got to
Speaker 2: have a budget, like we need some money. But some
Speaker 2: of these companies, you know, they'll want to participate and
Speaker 2: not really have act like they don't have a budget.
Speaker 2: Were a company can't find no money, Well, we didn't know, listen,
Speaker 2: if this was Jay Z in front of you, a
Speaker 2: fan some money, come on. If this was Royal rend
Speaker 2: Maul who you know just so eighteen hundred tickets in
Speaker 2: the last three weeks. If this was Joe Buden, if
Speaker 2: this was fucking but because it's me and you don't
Speaker 2: know my reach, you're trying to say, Hey, I tell
Speaker 2: you what we'll do.
Speaker 1: We'll get you some ads right now. Fuck yours.
Speaker 2: I already gotten money and I'll reach out to the
Speaker 2: companies myself exactly right, because we have reach with each other.
Speaker 2: A company can't get in touch with you in the
Speaker 2: way that I did. A company couldn't get the little
Speaker 2: baby interview. A company can't get bag meet Mill, company
Speaker 2: can't get Fred Taylor, Brandon Marshall. You know, Andrew showed
Speaker 2: Charlemagne who up Wilo Like, no company is involved in that.
Speaker 2: So we got to see the value from the company
Speaker 2: on what they do for us, what y'all deal? Was
Speaker 2: there a clip value because I imagine y'all were paranoid
Speaker 2: or or either had a clip vision coming out of
Speaker 2: the situation with bro that or coming out of situation
Speaker 2: with him where y'all wanted to have a clear path
Speaker 2: as to what y'all wanted a deal to look like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do y'all have the value that y'all want? With Serious?
Speaker 2: Do you do they understand y'all vision as well as
Speaker 2: the design people that work with y'all.
Speaker 3: I think they do. I think that was why we
Speaker 3: went with Serious. You know, we sat with our agent
Speaker 3: and the relationship was there, and then they understood what
Speaker 3: we wanted to do, and and the one thing that
Speaker 3: they said they loved the fact that, you know, what
Speaker 3: we were building. They wanted to just be a part
Speaker 3: of it and they wanted to help enhance it in
Speaker 3: any way that they could. So that was why we
Speaker 3: chose to go with Serious, because they just understood what
Speaker 3: we were doing.
Speaker 1: And they just believed in us, the US.
Speaker 2: Do you do you for people like at who called
Speaker 2: cap on the ten million dollar number?
Speaker 1: What what do you say to that? I never I
Speaker 1: don't know that dude. Yeah, well, what did you say
Speaker 1: to the ten million dollar number? Was that even a number? Y'all? Put?
Speaker 2: Where did they get that number from? So that announced
Speaker 2: number or reported number? Someone?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I think I think what happened was, uh, my brother Bigs,
Speaker 3: he had he posted a tweet when we we had
Speaker 3: a photo shooting in interview, we did went out and
Speaker 3: the picture we were smiling, we were laughing, and I
Speaker 3: think bigs his thing was, this is what a fresh
Speaker 3: ten million dollars look like? Big yeah, So you know
Speaker 3: they that that kind of is what people started running with,
Speaker 3: but it's not. It's not far from that though, right
Speaker 3: shut out. That's all selling tickets.
Speaker 2: They can cap on line. They can act like we're
Speaker 2: talking about who gets some tickets?
Speaker 3: So I mean we talked about who could just come.
Speaker 2: Outside exactly period, fox some tickets. Okay, you even go
Speaker 2: to the store with this podcast, And that's why.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, I'm still trying to figure
Speaker 3: out what this online ship is, right, because it's a
Speaker 3: weird area. I don't play this game, so you know,
Speaker 3: when dudes starts, I'm like, is he for real?
Speaker 1: Is like is it really on?
Speaker 2: If I see him? Is it just for something playing right?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know and ain't nobody else playing right.
Speaker 3: So you know, dudes like that when he's talking and
Speaker 3: you know, he said things and I'm just like, I
Speaker 3: don't know this, dude, I don't so I don't know
Speaker 3: what this is about him calling cap on the ten million. Okay,
Speaker 3: I can confirm that it's definitely not far from that
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: And his part is a snooze fist. I'll say that
Speaker 2: it's a.
Speaker 3: But his but see, And this is another thing where
Speaker 3: you got to look out for. Like, I like what
Speaker 3: you do because you sit down with the right people, right,
Speaker 3: and you had the right conversations. You know, dudes like him,
Speaker 3: he's just he's a fan. He just want to be
Speaker 3: affiliated in a round, right whoever he think is cool
Speaker 3: because he's not right.
Speaker 2: So you know, you say the same thing Rich Homie
Speaker 2: Kwong said. He was like, I kind of went up
Speaker 2: with a minute. It was like, I know, we got
Speaker 2: a big platform, so I go through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean a big platform.
Speaker 3: You know McDonald McDonald's a big brand that ain't good
Speaker 3: food though, so it's like.
Speaker 1: Just readily available.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's just like that don't mean that's
Speaker 3: good for you.
Speaker 2: And you know, I always talk about them guys being
Speaker 2: the first people to do it.
Speaker 1: It ain't that they were chosen. They were just here first.
Speaker 2: They just had a camera first, had understanding the YouTube first,
Speaker 2: and so the they're familiar to people. These guys don't
Speaker 2: have any context to anything. They don't have any real
Speaker 2: equity in the culture.
Speaker 3: What what what is what? What through a lot of
Speaker 3: these dudes, What are they bringing?
Speaker 1: What are they doing? What game? You're getting? What you're
Speaker 1: pulling from it?
Speaker 3: And it's and again, I just don't I don't like
Speaker 3: when you know, motherfuckers sit down and bring a lot
Speaker 3: of negative ship right mix, right, because we come from that, man,
Speaker 3: and that ain't nothing to play with, that ain't nothing
Speaker 3: to try to you know, throw fuel on that fire
Speaker 3: because you know, it's you know, it's just not it's
Speaker 3: not something that I want to even try to entertain
Speaker 3: because it's just I know what that is, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So that's why I said, when you know,
Speaker 3: I hear a lot of these dudes talking greasy, I
Speaker 3: don't understand it because it's like number one, I don't
Speaker 3: talk greasy about y'all. And then number two, I don't
Speaker 3: play that game because if I see you now it's
Speaker 3: supposed to happen, right. I don't know how to gauge
Speaker 3: this thing, like because now if I go to a
Speaker 3: place where you're like, nah, but it was just I'm like,
Speaker 3: but I don't know that because I don't play like that.
Speaker 3: I'm find of somebody talking about, you know, suck my
Speaker 3: dick and all this other.
Speaker 1: You going fine, it's like bro, you.
Speaker 2: But see if there's an old saying that people who
Speaker 2: never take war always want to get it going. See,
Speaker 2: they ain't never had to deal with the results of
Speaker 2: that exact, they ain't never had to lay in that bed,
Speaker 2: so they instantly want to how man Like I was
Speaker 2: just seeing they put rappers against each other, and it's
Speaker 2: just it be so much shit.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yo, they can go to war man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you at the house and playing.
Speaker 1: Game Twitch ten hours a day. I don't understand it.
Speaker 3: And that's why I can't. I can't support that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm happy that a black man is able to, you know,
Speaker 3: make a living and support his family, support it.
Speaker 1: So but at what.
Speaker 2: Costs, right, and get around some niggas to get some
Speaker 2: game because you bullshit and you done had all this audience,
Speaker 2: ain't done nothing with it.
Speaker 1: This man said they had a podcast a year.
Speaker 2: Granted they had a brand moving into it, but they
Speaker 2: on tour already been in the UK probably the sold
Speaker 2: x amount of shirts, this amount of product, on this
Speaker 2: amount of people on Patreon like it's it's shit happened
Speaker 2: to here? You is with an audience. Ain't done nothing
Speaker 2: with it this seven year, just sitting there on Twitch drunk.
Speaker 1: And still ain't and still can't come up as a.
Speaker 2: Party in the industry building process. This is a new industry.
Speaker 2: Billionaires would be created, these niggas getting drunk, right, I
Speaker 2: don't even get it. Bro speaking of that, look at Yay,
Speaker 2: let's talk about that Yae. To me, it seemed like
Speaker 2: like I just tell you, he trying to break the chain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Now how far did he go for that? How much
Speaker 2: did he risk for that?
Speaker 1: Is? Can he come back from that? See?
Speaker 3: The thing is, and what I don't think Kanye, excuse me, ya,
Speaker 3: I don't think what YA factored in is that black
Speaker 3: people we are so unorganized, We are so organized, and
Speaker 3: I don't think that enough of us are gonna back
Speaker 3: Yay and support Yay.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, but he's kind of been all over
Speaker 2: the place with his message too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been a little all over because you know,
Speaker 3: I think Kanye has this thing where he's I think
Speaker 3: that he you know, I've always said it. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's a mean spirited person. I don't think he's
Speaker 3: a hateful person. I just think that he's very emotional,
Speaker 3: and I think that he speaks without any regard of
Speaker 3: who feels a type of way about it, right, And
Speaker 3: I think that when you somebody that caters to the public,
Speaker 3: when you've made your richest off of selling to the public,
Speaker 3: whether it be clothing or you know, music or whatever,
Speaker 3: you have to factor in who you're hurting in the
Speaker 3: public when when you speak. But I think that he
Speaker 3: has made some valid points. I think that some of
Speaker 3: his points I'm still trying to figure out and and understand.
Speaker 3: But again, I think the important part is he's a
Speaker 3: man who obviously feels some type of way about something
Speaker 3: about the way he's been treated, about the wayusiness is
Speaker 3: being done, the fact that, uh, his money is no
Speaker 3: good in the bank all of a sudden, it was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I look at it like this, Right,
Speaker 2: we all need to be held accountable for things.
Speaker 1: If we cross the line or do something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's man shit, Yeah that manshit. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, the universe is perfect. So while they're canceling
Speaker 2: Kanye for being Antisemitican saying things that he shouldn't have
Speaker 2: said in the eyes of those people that been through
Speaker 2: those things were on the other side saying, but on
Speaker 2: Twitter they the word nigga usage is up five thousand
Speaker 2: percent and it ain't nobody in the uproar right, So
Speaker 2: where does language matter? Does it matter only on this side,
Speaker 2: or does it matter like because listen the same that
Speaker 2: we know the word nigga derives from us being disrespected.
Speaker 1: It ain't no intend on that if it's.
Speaker 2: Up five thousand percent with no records over there. But
Speaker 2: him saying I'm going death, which is a trick word.
Speaker 2: If you ask me, you ain't got no bitiness saying
Speaker 2: that word, what the fuck is defense readiness? How you
Speaker 2: going to be defending and ready? It just seemed like
Speaker 2: a I don't even use that word. So him going
Speaker 2: into trick bag with the word, or knowing what he
Speaker 2: was doing with the word, it says to me he
Speaker 2: offended them with that. But they using on Twitter and
Speaker 2: everybody quiet. It says to me, what does language really matter?
Speaker 3: But I think that's I think the important thing with
Speaker 3: Yay is that he's starting a common conversation about things
Speaker 3: that are happening, things that are going on, and I
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes again, when people don't want to address the issue,
Speaker 3: they'll play semantics with words and hold on to certain
Speaker 3: words and move the focus. All right, I understand that,
Speaker 3: But the focus of what he's saying addressing is this.
Speaker 3: I understand he may have said some things that offended
Speaker 3: some people and that that was wrong. Cool, we understand that,
Speaker 3: But let's get to what he's really addressing him and
Speaker 3: he y'all proving his point because y'all were able to
Speaker 3: take him from being worth eight nine billion to now
Speaker 3: what four hundred million.
Speaker 2: Because y'all said, so man, and that's so crazy, because
Speaker 2: you say this what I noticed about Kanye and it
Speaker 2: makes me really be like, wow, he still ain't panicked
Speaker 2: in the eyes of our public. Every time he come
Speaker 2: out in public. It's still because poker faith. He knows something,
Speaker 2: you know, right, he knows something we don't, right, And
Speaker 2: so I said, damn, hold on, he ain't panicking and
Speaker 2: he stood on status. He would come around us. I'm
Speaker 2: the richest black man, I'm the richest. I'm the richest.
Speaker 2: They snatched that, and he didn't panic, So they say
Speaker 2: something he's stood on.
Speaker 1: But I also understood that he would stand on status
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 2: But then when he talked to Piers Morgan, he would clarify,
Speaker 2: I only got one hundred and twenty million in the bank.
Speaker 2: So he understood what he was doing when he when
Speaker 2: he was braggadocious and stood on their status. But by
Speaker 2: him not panicing says he has a plan. I don't
Speaker 2: know the plan. I think he's trying to break the chain,
Speaker 2: but I'm not understanding. Even speaking of deals, Adidas is
Speaker 2: saying that they're going to sell his shoe and not
Speaker 2: pay him. He says in the contract he's still supposed
Speaker 2: to get a reduced rate. They going to ignore the contract.
Speaker 3: Because they can. But see, this is what I'm saying is,
Speaker 3: you know, bigger conversations to have. And that's what I
Speaker 3: think the ultimate thing of him doing all of this
Speaker 3: is just to start having these conversations about control and
Speaker 3: who has the control and who has the power, and
Speaker 3: who are the creatives and who are the geniuses? And
Speaker 3: you know, we need to change some things, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like if we able to have all
Speaker 3: this influence and all of this creative control around the
Speaker 3: world and all the influence on culture, we should be
Speaker 3: you know, paid for it. We should should have more
Speaker 3: ownership of it, we should have more rights to it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the ultimate uh gist of his
Speaker 3: his his whole rant and the thing that he's on
Speaker 3: right now is just you know, he's just trying to
Speaker 3: wake wake people up to that, like, yeah, just because
Speaker 3: they give you a hundred million, two hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: to play this sport, you really generated six billion dollars.
Speaker 2: And Faarakham made a good point said, yo, when they
Speaker 2: say you're big and and you really ain't.
Speaker 1: You don't even see that money.
Speaker 2: They give you a whole bunch of money you don't
Speaker 2: you can't touch, so they can't take it like that, right,
Speaker 2: they can just press the button and then you three
Speaker 2: hundred million, they can just take it.
Speaker 1: That ship is wow, man, it's wicked. Man. We really
Speaker 1: think about it.
Speaker 3: Some, it's some's some it's you know again that's you know,
Speaker 3: that's that's a little further up the pole that we
Speaker 3: ain't there yet. But I coming, oh, no, for sure,
Speaker 3: and and I and I love the fact that just
Speaker 3: these conversations and start because why not let you know,
Speaker 3: and and again, you know, people don't want to have
Speaker 3: certain conversations because certain truths shall be revealed, right, you know.
Speaker 3: But when you're on the.
Speaker 1: Side of the truth, you want to have those conversations.
Speaker 2: You want to say, Yo, let's have them on your camera,
Speaker 2: your camera, let's have in front of your people, on
Speaker 2: your side.
Speaker 1: Of the street.
Speaker 3: Let's have it, and then let's make it right.
Speaker 2: Right, and let's grab the information out of it, because
Speaker 2: we are leading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we lead, and let's learn from it. Like I understand,
Speaker 1: I'm leading.
Speaker 2: That's why when I had these conversations, I have them
Speaker 2: from that perspective because I know I was on the
Speaker 2: other side when he was saying Spotify one, I'm like
Speaker 2: screaming at the screen like them niggas want to be paid.
Speaker 1: Like like I say, you could be screaming at.
Speaker 2: Your mother about something and your girlfriend say, ain't no way, I'm.
Speaker 1: Marrying him, right, he'll treat he. Yeah, you see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So when you say fuck a contract and I'm sitting
Speaker 2: next to you can't get accounting.
Speaker 1: It's saying, damn, fuck a contract. I know it ain't
Speaker 1: meant for me, but it apply to me.
Speaker 3: It applies to me because I'm in it. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: I like I said, you know, it's nothing is by accident.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Everything is uh, everything has its beautiful purpose, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? So I just you know, I learned
Speaker 3: from everything. Everything is a learning a learning process for me.
Speaker 1: I love learning.
Speaker 3: I love getting new information, you know, and I just
Speaker 3: like applying it and moving forward and just growing and
Speaker 3: watching myself.
Speaker 1: What do I look like a year from now? Man?
Speaker 1: Y'all winning, y'all show winning.
Speaker 3: We were building, man, We we more importantly, we just
Speaker 3: we just growing man as men were growing as a
Speaker 3: as a I me and our families, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? You know, just doing things we never thought
Speaker 3: we would do. You know, I never thought that people
Speaker 3: would be waiting for me in London, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I'm a fucking I'm a nigga holl uptown New
Speaker 1: York man.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, Like, I just you know, it's it's a
Speaker 3: it's a humbling experience, man, a beautiful experience. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just part of what I always knew,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean as far as like just
Speaker 3: staying solid, uh, you know, standing on principals, standing on morals,
Speaker 3: being a being a good person. And that's gonna resonate
Speaker 3: with somebody somewhere, you know what I mean. And it
Speaker 3: may not turn into you know, a hundred million views.
Speaker 3: You know, if it turned into seven hundred people in
Speaker 3: the theater in London, I'm.
Speaker 1: Happy, man. You want, Yeah, you want, I'm happy. Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming back, man.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you reaching out.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad we finally got got a chance
Speaker 3: to connect. Love what you're doing. Brothers. You know, anytime
Speaker 3: you need anything from me, my platform is your platform,
Speaker 3: and you know, just keep doing what you're doing, because
Speaker 3: it's important to have real individuals in this space and
Speaker 3: in this culture that are doing and saying the right
Speaker 3: things but also standing on it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So when I see see brothers like yourself doing things
Speaker 3: like that, you know I'm gonna pull up no matter.
Speaker 3: You see, I came straight to you by myself. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, Man, whenever, whenever, Man, you know, I'm dead,
Speaker 2: whenever y'all the show You're.
Speaker 3: Coming out them all, Man, We're gonna have some fun
Speaker 3: to moll ship fun.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming out, man. Experienced podcast, do something
Speaker 2: with that game.
Speaker 1: Skid it