1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: You know, look, they brought Dad, Brian and last year 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: for a reason. There's something that they know they're lacking. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Whoever comes in has to be kind of the physical, 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: tough guy thinking about Baltimore and what is needed. Our 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: probably lean towards Bateman. I think this is the most 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: volt of the year that we'll ever see when it 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: comes to the draft. There are a lot of us 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: on the outside who are speculating and talking to our prospects. 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: We really have no idea how it's going to shake. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge are all star lineup of draft analysts, experts. 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: We don't want to just call him analysts. These are 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: analysts experts. Yes, just made that up. But it continues. 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: It continues today with Bucky Brooks from the NFL Network. Bucky, 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: you see him all the time this time of year. 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: You can get him on Twitter at Bucky Brooks and 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: he's the host co host of The Move the Six 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: podcasts along with another friend of the Lounge, Daniel Jeremiah. 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Uh So, Garrett, Strap up, buddy, because we're ready for 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: more draft talk. Look, we're going back to back to back. 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: You know, you don't tpically see the back to back 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: to back home runs. You know in baseball, how often 22 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: do you see that? That's almost never? But to go 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, mel Keyper and Bucky Brooks. We're bringing it 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: with these last three guests to get Ravens fans ready 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: for the upcoming draft. And this is fun. It's a 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: lot of fun. So we're gonna jump right into the 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: interview with Bucky. We're happy to be joined by Bucky Brooks. 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: He's an NFL network analysts and you can follow him 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: at Bucky Brooks. Bucky's also the host of the Move 30 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: the Sticks podcast along with Daniel Jeremiah, who he recently 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: had on the Lounge just last week. So Bucky, let's 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: let's jump in here too. I think, uh, kind of 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: conversation number one around Baltimore in the draft, and it's 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: always around wide receiver, and uh, it seems like there's 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: not really a consensus about kind of who the better 36 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: guy is between Terroris Marshall Jr. And Rashad Bateman, who 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: are two targets that have been widely projected to Baltimore 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: at number seven. Who do you like between those two 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: guys and why? I mean this is is a really 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: interesting debate because When you talk about Terris Marshall versus 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman, you talk about guys who are very, very 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: comfortable in terms of their talent level. Terrice Marshall the 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: guy that kind of came on like game Busters this 44 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: year stepping in for Jamaar Chase. You saw the production 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: that he's able to put up. H Then when you 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: think about just his height, weight, speed, um, his playmaking ability, 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: his ability to play with um, physicality and toughness while 48 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: also displaying explosiveness, there's a lot to like about him. 49 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman to me, is one of the most complete 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: receivers in the draft. Um, he's to talk about a 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: guy that can play in the slide, he can play 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: out wide, He's a terrific route runner. He has some 53 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: special catching run ability that will need you to believe 54 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: that he's a guy that you just want to get 55 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: him the ball in space and let him go to work. Um. 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if you could go wrong with either guy, 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: but I'm thinking about Baltimore and what is needed. I 58 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: would probably lean towards Bateman just because Bateman to me 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: is more of your classic traditional number one receiver that 60 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: you would see year after year after year. M interesting 61 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: and do you think that either both would be worth 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: a pick? You know, the first round pick. The Raves 63 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: are sitting there at twenty seven. Do you'd like the 64 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: possibility of them taking one of those guys there? And 65 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: if they're there, are they worth the pick there? Yeah? 66 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think the worthiness comes from how 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: they play and what happens after you get them into 68 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: the building. I think Bateman and Marshall are both worth 69 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: being selected in the first round. I think the main 70 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: thing that you have to do if you're you're Baltimore, 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: you have to look at your team and figure out 72 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: what do you need on the perimeter. I obviously you 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: need more size on the outside, and not just size 74 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: like a big, hawking playmaker, but like a big physical 75 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: player that can really occupy the number one position. And 76 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, look, they brought dead and the last year 77 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: for a reason. There's something that they know they're lacking. 78 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: I think whoever comes in as the primary number one 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: receiver has to be kind of that physical, tough guy 80 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: um that kind of fits in with the rest of 81 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: the squad. Interesting. Another guy with the Ravens connection certainly 82 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: is a Marie Rogers. You know he's the son of 83 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: Te Higgins, the Ravens new wide receivers gits what's your 84 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: scouting report on a Mari because we could get it 85 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: from his dad. But he's a little biased. Yeah, Now 86 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: he's talented. Uh, Marie is a big time playmaker. Amory 87 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: is in the mode of what I call these guys 88 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: that are like wing backs. Um, if you go back 89 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: to the fifties, sixties, and seventies when people were running 90 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: the wing t the wing back with half running back, 91 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: half wide receiver. L Maria Rodgers fits into that mold 92 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: because the best stuff that he does outside of running 93 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: routes over the middle field is man just put up 94 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: in his hand bubble screens, quick routes, jet sweeps, all 95 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: those things. He can handle that. Now, that's I to 96 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: mention that we haven't seen added of the Ravens offense, 97 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: surprisingly because of the amount of run that he utilized. 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: We haven't seen the sidelines and sideline stuff to make 99 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: the defense run um, so then they can attack vertically. 100 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: But Mari Rodgers could certainly add a dimension to the 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: offense as a slight receiver a big time of building. 102 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: So Buck, I want to flip it over to the 103 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball and get your perspective on 104 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: one of the pass rushers who has been mocked to 105 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: the Ravens in a number of mocked drafts, and that's 106 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: his Zzo. What do you make of him and how 107 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: would he fit if the Ravens were to take him. 108 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: He's a natural fit in there three or four defense. 109 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: He's a fit because he has explosive first step of 110 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: quickness in first Um, he's a little bit of a 111 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: one trick pony as a pass rusher because he realized 112 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: heavily on his speed to bend the corner and round 113 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: it and get to the quarterback. That said, there's nothing 114 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: wrong with having a fastball. That's unheitable, and it's fastball 115 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: when dialed up and going it is problematic. Um. As 116 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: he continues to maybe add a counterfeitch to his repertoire, 117 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: he could be a problem. He could be a different 118 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: difference maker off there is in Baltimore. I think it works. 119 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: It works because Wink is going to send a bunch 120 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: of pressures and simulated pressures. Um. That creates some one 121 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: on one opportunities, and he is good enough to win 122 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: one on one when he's matched up on the right 123 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: when he's massed up on an offensive Chacola. Who do 124 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: you think the best fit for what the Ravens do 125 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: at that edge rusher? Between him? Could he Payne, Jail 126 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: and Phillips? You know, Jason O Way. Who's the best 127 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: fit for the Ravens because any of those guys could 128 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: be there. You know, the Ravens have played with a 129 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: bunch of different style guys at edge. You know, like 130 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: if you go back and you think about Terrell Sucks. 131 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: When Sizzel was coming out, Sizzle was a defensive enda 132 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: errors on the state. His hand was in the dirt 133 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: and they made it work even though they classified him 134 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: as an outside linebacker. UM. With that in mind, I 135 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: think the best of the group is Jalen Phillips because 136 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips is an explosive athlete, would maybe the most 137 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: polished hand skills of the group, the most ex eos 138 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: of athletes. UM would probably be a tie between Quitty 139 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: pay and Jason Owayuh always a terrific freak athlete, but 140 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: you don't see the production that you normally would like 141 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: to see. As somebody that you're saying is going to 142 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: be a pass rush. You can't have a season without 143 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: Sax and say that you're a pass rusher. So he 144 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: is more of a developed developmental prospect in my mind. Uh, 145 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: Quity Pay, it's kind of in the same vein. He 146 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: gives you a lot of activity and explosiveness when you 147 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: watch the take, but you don't see him take the 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: quarterback down and so I don't know what to do 149 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: with that. Uh. The guy that has kind of left 150 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: out but it interesting would be Gregory Russo and how 151 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: they view him in the building. I would say Gregory 152 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: Russo is a guy that reminds me a lot of 153 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul when Jason Pierre Paul was coming out 154 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: of Soft Florida. If you go and you actually look 155 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: at their pro day numbers, they're exactly the same. And 156 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: so I mean, look, none of these guys are guys 157 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: that I would say are Chase young types that you 158 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: know when they come in they can give you double 159 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: to decide. I think what you're trying and do is 160 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: you try and mitigate the risk by banking on the 161 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: traits that typically translate to that kind of stock production. US. 162 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: So the two guys who seem like the most often 163 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: mocked ahead of the Ravens at that spot are are 164 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Quitty pay and Jalen Phillips. Do you think that they're 165 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: both gone or do you think that, given you know 166 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: some of the the downsides on on the two of them, 167 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: that one or one of them could end up falling 168 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: to the Ravens. I mean, I think one thing I 169 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: always try to look at with the draft is who's 170 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: gonna fall Who's going to be a guy that ends 171 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: up the Ravens end up getting a guy who's the 172 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: fifteen best player on the board at never twenty seven, 173 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: and and it seems like maybe one of those guys 174 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: falls into that camp. What do you think? I think 175 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: this is the most volatle year that we'll ever see 176 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft. I think there are 177 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of us on the outside who are speculating 178 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: and talking about prospects. We'll really have no idea how 179 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: it's going to shake because unlike anything that we've ever experienced, 180 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: like with COVID protocols, where you've had some guys opt out, 181 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: some guys play aid, some guys played a full season, 182 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: some guys played a half of season. Without a combine 183 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: where you don't get everyone there, you can't see guys 184 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: work out back to back to back to be able 185 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: to kind of sort the clusters and then with a 186 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: limited amount of pro days, I think a lot of 187 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: people are flying blind, and so I think you have 188 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: to be prepared if you're a team, perspect anybody to 189 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: fall into your lap and to be able to pounce 190 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: when one of those guys that you have highly graded 191 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: is there. Because I think the draft board is always 192 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: a bit of a snowflake in every room. But man, 193 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: this year is This year is bananas because when you 194 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: talk to people, the variance is that you hear on 195 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: prospects is greater than any other times I remember since 196 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: I started doing that is interesting, Uh for for comps. 197 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: Just to wrap up the pass rusher, UH talk is 198 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: ADULARI like, uh is he like a yun eaten dock Way? 199 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: And then Putty Payne Hey who would be his kind 200 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: of comp? You know, it's funny because both of those 201 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: guys are kind of similar to and got Way in 202 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: terms of when got Way was coming out of Maryland, 203 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: he was dynamic athlete, terrific in terms of stops, start 204 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: quickness and explosiveness, but he was a bit I mean, 205 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: as you saw this year. He's still a bit of 206 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: a one trick pony, like he's he's all speed and effort. 207 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: He's not necessarily refined and those things. And so when 208 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: you have guys like that, you're gonna have these wide 209 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: swings in terms of production one year versus the other 210 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: year because they don't have other tools in the toolbox 211 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: that we're unable to get home. Um. I think putting 212 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: them in that Yannick and got Way category it's probably 213 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: right for both of them because both of them kind 214 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: of play that way. They're kind of high active, twitchy, 215 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: explosive pass rushers that are still trying to figure out 216 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: how to really really rush the passes. Alright, So Bucky, 217 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: I'll give you this one on the way out. Who 218 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: who's the pick for you? Who who's Eric to Cosa 219 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: gonna take? Uh? This is gonna blow blow up your 220 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: your theory. Based on what we've talked about, I believe 221 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: they're gonna pick the offensive tackle. I believe they were 222 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: smart and wise to pick Kevin Jenkins from Oklahoma State 223 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: with the issues that you might be having with Orlando 224 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: Brown and with them seeming to double down on how 225 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: they want to play, I think what they have to 226 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: do is a symbol of quintet of people up front 227 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: that can throw guys out the club. When the Baltimore 228 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: Ravens are at their best, it's because they're able to 229 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: dominate on the run game and move bodies off the 230 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Their issues while they all point back 231 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: to Lamar Jackson in the passing game, the reason why 232 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: they can't pass effectively is because the offensive line is 233 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: limited in terms of how they can play. They play 234 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: better going forward than backing up, and so they can 235 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: either say we're gonna fortify our strength because the way 236 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: that we've run and we're just gonna pummel people, or 237 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: getting the pretty pieces on the edge, and which has 238 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: been the focus for so long, like the wide receivers 239 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: and those things. But really, at the end of the day, 240 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: the game is one aloft of the line of scrimmage, 241 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: and when the Ravens have struggled, it's because they haven't 242 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: been able to block the people up the front. And 243 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: so with Orlando Brown talking about wanting to be traded 244 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: and Ronley Stanley coming back, um, you still that they've 245 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: added pieces inside in the off season, signing free agents. 246 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: If they get another offensive tackle that allows them to 247 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: run it like they want to run it, but also 248 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: being solid and pass protection. You will see what you 249 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: want to see from Lamar Jackson in the passing year. 250 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: Their issues have really been the leakage upfront when it 251 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: comes to playing I guess the talented teams in the 252 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: postseason because that's the only time it's been a problem. 253 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: It's only been a problem in the postseason, and that's 254 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: when you played the best teams. Right cool, Well, thank you, Bucky. 255 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: That's really good stuff. Everybody out there listening, make sure 256 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: you check out Bucky on Twitter at Bucky Brooks and 257 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: definitely listen to the Move the six podcast, which Bucky 258 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: hosts alongside Daniel Jeremiah. We really appreciate your time, man 259 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 1: problem appreciate you all right, Well, great stuff from Bucky. 260 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, I'm interested in the offensive tackle in round 261 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: one that is that is interesting, and you know, unfortunately 262 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: Bucky didn't have a whole lot of time. Um, he 263 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: had another engagement to get to. But I kind of 264 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: wanted to ask, like if the Ravens do keep Orlando 265 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Brown Jr. And then they draft Hevin Jenkins in Round one, 266 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: like where does he play as a rookie, you know, 267 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: because the they ain't the tackle open jan right, could 268 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: he slide in at left guard? And then he moved 269 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: Bozeman the south big boy line right there that that 270 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: is a nice offensive line. Well, that's the thing. Is 271 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: this the like I often used the draft with Marlon 272 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: Humphrey seen right, draft with Marlon Humphrey, where like there 273 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: was no talk about him. But then afterwards you like 274 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: take a step back and you're like, how did nobody 275 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: talk about this great corner from Alabama and how he 276 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: could be the pick there? Like how did everyone miss that? 277 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: There was like no buzz about that? And is that 278 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: possibility this year? Where you say, Okay, we know the 279 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Ravens are going to be a run heavy team. We 280 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: know that Orlando Brown Jr. Has asked for a trade, 281 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: and whether that trade happens this year or not, then 282 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: it's good in Orlando is probably gonna be gone after 283 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: next season. Um. You know. So it's a move for 284 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: the long term for sure, and potentially could help you 285 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: in the short term if he can play if you 286 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: feel like he can play guard, well, right, and the 287 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: other thing is by the way it um, But but 288 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: the other thing, oh, I'm always here to correct your gear. Well, 289 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: there are many opportunities. It happened early, so that when 290 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: you get an opportunity, you gotta take advantage of it. 291 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh pounds, baby pounds on it. Um. You know. The 292 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: interesting thing is that it could really kind of it 293 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: could address two spots with one pick, right, I mean, 294 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: if you if you want to upgrade center, also right 295 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: now you picked Kevin Jenkins and then Bozeman slides over, 296 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: So you've not only maybe improved it left guard and 297 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: given yourself the right tackle the future, but now you've 298 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: also improved center without having to make a draft pick 299 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: at center, because exactly that's what I'm saying. Like you're 300 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: a line, I mean, just a huge offensive line at 301 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: that point too. So like now now, so is it 302 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: is it that now this this gets me thinking, is 303 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: it better to take a tackle earlier than a center? 304 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: Like we've spent time talking about Creed Humphrey and Landon Dickerson. 305 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: Why draft a center when you ultimately need a tackle 306 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: next year? Right? So you take the tackle and then 307 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: move Bozeman and and put the tackle in the guard 308 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: this year makes a lot of sense? Does It does 309 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense? Now you know, you obviously 310 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: have to get a guard a guard tackle that you 311 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: feel good about their versatility, you know, to basically they're 312 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: ultimately a right tackle, but you feel good about their 313 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: ability to play left guard, uh initially, so you know 314 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: you gotta have that versatility to do so. But a 315 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: lot of these guys can do that. I mean, Tyree 316 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Phillips did that last year. You never played guard and 317 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: he played guard, but you know he's playing a little 318 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: bit of everything. So um, yeah, he's a third round pick. 319 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: So if you're getting a guy in the first round, 320 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: you think there probably is the ability to do that. So, yeah, 321 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: that is interesting. That is a really interesting possibility. And 322 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's gonna throw some mock drafts for 323 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: a loop here. Yeah. I mean that's the outside the 324 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: box pick I think, uh, not crazy. I mean, you know, 325 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: I think safety and cornerback would be too more even 326 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: more outside the box. Um, I think a tackle is 327 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: certainly possibility, and if not in round one, I think 328 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: that there's definitely some possibilities in round two, you know. 329 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean mel Kiper talked about it with the Liam Eikenberg, 330 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: uh Jail and Mayfield, who is a tackle that's been 331 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of projected to be possibly a first round pick. 332 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: He could be there in the second round. Uh, it 333 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: seems like there's a lot I think I saw this 334 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: suite from Daniel Jeremiah the other day that there's a 335 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: lot of indecision about the tackles and how they are ranked. 336 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: And it's um, you know the kid, the guy from 337 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: Alabama that we were talking about just a little bit ago, 338 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: Alex Leatherwood. Alex Leatherwood is another one who right, he 339 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: could be first, he could be second. You know, General 340 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: Jeremias and some teams even view him as a third 341 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: round prospect um, which I always read is that all right, 342 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: late second. Um, So you know, I think it could 343 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: a second round tackle wouldn't be surprising. Well, this, this 344 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: is what Bucky's talking about. And this was the same 345 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: answer that we got from El Kuyper. There's the same 346 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 1: answer that we got from Daniel Jeremiah, which is that 347 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: the volatility of this draft is probably gonna be unlike 348 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: anything we've seen. Mel has been doing this for a 349 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: long time. He called it the most mysterious draft that 350 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: he's ever covered. Bucky Brooks is talking about how no 351 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: one knows how this draft is gonna go, and no 352 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: one has a consensus on how these players are. The 353 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: other thing too, that like I don't think anyone's really saying, 354 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: but this definitely happens, is that, like there's certainly an 355 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: element of group think, whether it's amongst scouts or whether 356 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: it's amongst the media. Scouts kind of all go and 357 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: they're watching the same practice and they're watching the same 358 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: game we do. When it's media, you know, the media 359 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: is out there in training camp and you're standing out 360 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: there and you're chit chatting because you're standing out in 361 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: practice for three hours, and you say, oh, so and 362 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: still looks pretty good, Like, yeah, he does look pretty good. 363 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: He's been coming on strong. And then all sudden you 364 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: you read the reports and every single reporter out there 365 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: says so and so is having a strong camp. Like 366 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: that happens across the board, and so there wasn't that. 367 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: There wasn't those casual conversations amongst scouts and media members 368 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: and all that during all these different not as many 369 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: and you know they happen to an extent at some 370 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: of these pro days, but they're not all hanging out 371 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: at the combine having those conversations at the hotel bar, 372 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: and so I think that that that is part of 373 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: the reason there's uncertainty amongst what this draft is going 374 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: to look like. Well, you're an expert in hotel bars. 375 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: That's my area of expertise. The other guys are talking 376 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: about football, you know, being experts in that. I'm an 377 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: expert in the health to bar for sure. Are you 378 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: are you changing your guy from Marshall debatement by the way, well, 379 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: the buckey Basically, he's just blowing up everything that I'm 380 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: talking about. He likes Bateman more than Marshall. He likes 381 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman in the first round doesn't more than 382 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: the defensive players. So he he is throwing a wrench. 383 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: It's it's funny after each of these guys that we've 384 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: talked with, I've come away. It's like the favoritism that 385 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: you show somebody after an interview. You do an interview, 386 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: all sudden your favorite guy. It's it's what you do. 387 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: Every single guy we had on the podcast last year, 388 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, were they ever gonna make the team? 389 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: Remember when are we gonna be runs and runs? And 390 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: you would say that he was gonna make the big 391 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: three amount of roster and he I don't think made 392 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: it to training camp so well. I said he was 393 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: gonna be a Hall of Fame so so it's easy 394 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: to fall into that trap. But after each of these guys, 395 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, that makes sense. I can see 396 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the first round. Okay, I could see 397 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: Marshall being the pick in the first round. Oh, I 398 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: can see the Ravens going with the pass rusher. What 399 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, I can see it being Jason noway uh, 400 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: you know, Jeremiah makes the case for that, like you 401 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: start to fall into that that trap every single time. 402 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I haven't made up my mind. 403 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: That's that's the long answer. I haven't made up my mind. Yeah, yeah, 404 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of moving pieces, man, and that's 405 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: why that's why Eric the Costa gets paid the big 406 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: bucks to put this whole puzzle together. Um, and I 407 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: can't wait. The draft is right around the corner. It's 408 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: my favorite time of the year. I am very sad. 409 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm sad that we're not gonna get like I thought. 410 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: The experience last year with the cameras in the houses 411 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: of all these different guys is pretty good. We're not 412 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: gonna get Bill Belichick's dog this year. That's a they 413 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: should bring Bill Belichick's dog into the draft room absolutely. 414 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: If the if the Patriots haven't thought to do that, 415 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: they get out to do that. Hey, before we get 416 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: we need we need to get some bird houses in 417 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: our draft room. I don't even remember talking about birdhouses. 418 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: I remember that from last year. Oh, the birdhouses for 419 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: Epic plus is springtime. It's time to check out the birds. Uh. Anyway, 420 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: thank you to Bucky Brooks for coming on a lot 421 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: of really good draft talk. We'll have more. It's gonna 422 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: be a busy couple of weeks here before the draft, 423 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: and we're really excited about it. As always, you can 424 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net, 425 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: keep your keep your antenna up for more podcasts and 426 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: for our seven round mock draft, which we will be 427 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: releasing in the days leading up to the draft on 428 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens dot com and on the app. It'll be 429 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: on social media, check all the different places. Okay, because 430 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: this is the year where I just this is you 431 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: know what year? How might go seven for seven? This year? 432 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: Said year? This is the year, this is the year. 433 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: This is the year. Anyway, thanks for listening. We'll be 434 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: back with you, probably later this week.