WEBVTT - 5. On the Run 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:20.120 GAMSI Media Large, Rory, could you please recap what happened 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.400 last week on episode four for the people at home? 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.040 I sure caad folks. 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.200 Last week we got to meet a new character. His 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.960 name is Bruno. His real name is Mike McKinnie, but 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:34.000 he goes by Bruno, and his three greatest passions in 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.519 life are cocaine, hookers, and hot tubs. We now know 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.479 and understand that. And he has been hired by Steve 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:46.280 Chambers to go down to Mexico and quote unquote deliver 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:51.400 money to David Gant. We've also learned that he is 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.880 in the running to beat the person to kill David Gant. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.480 Whether that happens or not, Folks, we're gonna find out 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.920 today on episode. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.400 Five of Hillbilly Heist. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:07.160 All right, let's get onto the episode. 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.640 David Gant knows he needs to get out of can Kun. Ever, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.200 since he was recognized by some nosy tourist at the 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.440 Hard Rock Cafe, he's been laying low and waiting for 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.800 help to arrive from the States. Finally, Bruno arrived with 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.520 a bit more money and a plan to help David disappear. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.319 But David doesn't totally trust Bruno. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:36.240 He asked me a really weird question. Do you have 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:41.840 a gun? Do you carry a knife? 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:42.880 I know? 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.120 Do you lock your doors? Questions like that. 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.360 But Kelly is still stateside and Bruno is David's only 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.440 source of help, so he doesn't have much of a 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.920 choice but to go along for the ride. The plan, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.440 Bruno says, is to get David out of Cancun, maybe 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.720 across Mexico to Acapulco, maybe to Mexico City, and then 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:10.120 eventually to Brazil. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.160 But the first leg of. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.360 The journey is to make themselves scarce by fleeing to 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.839 yet another popular tourist town, just a short ways down 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.000 the beach from the one David has been hanging around 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:27.320 in for months. They check into a fancy hotel overlooking 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.680 the beach and decide to have a drink on the balcony. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.480 Maybe David's sick of having to pretend he's a tourist 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.600 instead of a famous bank robber. Maybe it's the booze. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.359 Maybe it's the adrenaline wearing off after another day on 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.920 the run. Whatever the reason, David starts to open up 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.800 to Mike McKinney or Bruno. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.440 And that's when we're sitting outside of his room on 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.000 his balcony, having a couple of beers, and that's when 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:57.160 he told me where the money came from. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.800 David tells McKinny that he had hit a bank for 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:05.040 seventeen million dollars, and that's how Mike learns he's an 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.120 accessory to one of the biggest bank hei sin history. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.320 He had never known where the money came from until 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.600 this moment. Author Jeff Diamond explains the fallout, and. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.560 It becomes clear in that moment to McKinney that he 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.560 was in a world of trouble because until that point, 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.000 McKinney had assumed that this was some nondescript who knows 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.200 what type of crime that that nobody would in the 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:31.520 United States really cared about. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.920 Now Mike knows that David's on the FBI's most wanted 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.800 list and that he's probably going to get caught unless 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.400 he has some other nimrod do the dirty work. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.240 So at that point McKinney gets the idea to subcontract 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:47.480 this murder out. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.320 Mike's wheels start turning, slowly but turning nonetheless. Maybe he 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.200 could get David to Mexico City. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.640 In Mexico City, they'd cut your arm off for a 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:57.320 time x. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.840 So if we're got out this dude was wandering around 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.839 downtown that he had like ten thousand dollars cash on him, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.640 he would have been found out a dumpster and I 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.360 wouldn't have had to lift a finger. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.440 Or even simpler, maybe he could get someone closer by 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.840 to do it, because when hiring a hit man, proximity 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.839 is of course far more important than qualifications. He already 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.640 has someone in mind, a guy named Robert. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:26.360 Robert. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.800 I'd met him down there. He is one of the 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.080 street hustlers. You know, he was the one trying to 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.920 sell you the timeshares. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.760 Ooh, timeshare, that's a slippery slope. You invest in the timesharing, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.919 the next thing, you know, you're wagering on pro wrestling 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:42.679 and wife swapping. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:43.719 Oh yeah. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.400 Robert also told Mike he was willing to do other 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:51.440 more violent crimes. So there on the balcony, Mike tells 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.960 David that he knows someone that can help them out 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.680 from SmartLess media, campsite media, and big money players. In 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.920 partnership with iHeart Podcasts, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and you're listening 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.599 to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:18.680 This is our fifth. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:30.880 Episode on the run. Can you imagine getting off in 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:35.640 senior Frogs talk about adding insult to injury? Your family 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.640 would be forced to lie about it to save face. No, no, no, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.239 he actually got shot into Kenny Rogers Roasters. You dig 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.520 But right around Christmas nineteen ninety seven, David Gant found 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.680 himself in danger of meeting just such an undignified end. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.279 According to David, he was sitting at the beach side bar, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.640 nervous and sweating, and wearing this Pittsburgh Steelers jersey, one 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.720 of his last reminders of life back home. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.080 He's been a fans he was a kid. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.400 They were known for being a really tough team. And 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.800 I love the colors, the black and the gold. And 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.560 I hate to admit as guy, but I really liked 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.680 the jersey more than the team. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.480 When David looked up from his table, he saw a 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:22.640 huge man towering over him, six foot three and three 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.159 hundred pounds, a brooding menace who looks right at home 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:31.440 in Cancun's dark underbelly. This must be Bruno's friend Robert, 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.560 the latest chucklehead in the plot to kill David. But 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.960 David thinks Robert's going to help him get out of town. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.640 He was someone who arranged things like if he needed 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.840 a new idea, or he needed a car, or you 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.800 needed this, needed a place to stay, a place to go, 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:53.320 a boat, stuff like that. He arranged things. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.240 A good person to know as long as you're on 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.560 the right side of the arrangement. After sizing David up, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.000 Robert introduces himself and makes a cunning proposition. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.760 You trade me that jersey. I'll let you in on 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:07.919 a secret about Bruno. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.480 Turns out Robert's a huge Pittsburgh Steelers fan. He's been 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.320 looking all over for a jersey like this. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.720 I go chanin shirts. I like you probably is a 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.520 good Washington because when swimming this morning, it's a little sandy. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.920 But here you go, brother, and he's way too big 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.920 a guy for this jersey. He's a big boy, but 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:28.800 he wants it. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.040 Now that David's kept his end of the bargain, Robert 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:33.760 does the same. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.600 He says, you know Bruno was in my place looking 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.920 to buy done. He says, I think he's gonna try 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:42.480 and kill you. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.360 Turns out Robert couldn't bear to help murder a fellow 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:50.320 Steelers fan. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.080 For what I paid for that Pittsburgh Steelers Jersey and 0:07:55.320 --> 0:08:00.160 what it repaid. I mean, it probably saved my life. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.600 I'm either really really lucky or when I came up 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.320 with my character sheet, I rolled high on charisma. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.760 But the warm feelings can't do much to take the 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.040 edge off some really shitty news, because I mean, he 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.200 was already feeling pretty sorry for himself. No Kelly, no money, 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.640 and now someone wants him dead. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.960 After David learned about the fact that his cohorts were 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.480 trying to have him killed, his life changed considerably. As 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.760 you would imagine, he was extremely nervous. He started constantly 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.000 looking around him all the time. He was justifiably paranoid, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.280 you might say. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.959 Once David finds out that Bruno intends to kill him, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.360 his first instinct is to lay low. But his second instinct. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:47.160 Is that. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.920 He has to protect Kelly, sweet innocent Kelly, who just 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.440 hasn't found her way down to Mexico yet. Surely Steve 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.199 is putting Bruno up to the murder, and if Steve 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:04.320 wants him dead, he probably wants Kelly dead too. David 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.920 never really trusted Steve, but now he really really doesn't 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.360 trust him, and he has decent reasons for feeling this way. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.480 One is the murder plot that he suspects Steve is behind. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.400 The other is something Steve's hit man let slip. That 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.560 night on the balcony, when David confessed where he got 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.760 the money, Bruno returned the favor and shared a secret 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.040 with David too. He told him all about steve spending. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.080 So the next time David calls Kelly, he decides that 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.440 they need to have a heart to heart, like the 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.960 lovers they are. David intends to really bear a soul 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.920 on this whole Steve spending all the money and hiring 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:46.280 people to kill him things. When Kelly answers, David says 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.320 he knows about the move from the trailer to the 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:49.240 giant mansion. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.880 He's bought a BMW and his wife's got new boobs 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.440 and huge horse killer diamond ring. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.280 David also drops some hints about Bruno. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.040 What's the deal with this clown? 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.880 Kelly keeps to the party line. She admits that Steve's 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.640 been spending like crazy, but she says it's just him, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.040 not her. All she's bought is a van, and she 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.760 says Bruno's just the delivery guy. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.960 You know that the same thing they've got planned for me. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:27.520 They've got planned for years. That's when she got quiet. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.440 David tells Kelly he doesn't want to meet with Bruno anymore, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.720 but he's still encouraging her to come down to meet him, 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.280 and he's still holding out hope that he might get 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.479 his share of the money. Oh, David, David David David. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.720 David says he'll talk to Kelly again next week. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.480 We Title three is a court order and it's just 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.720 a part of the US Criminal Code that allows FBI 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.360 to listen to a tell upone conversation or plant a 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.720 bug in your house or something of that nature. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.560 Even with the mountain of evidence against Kelly and Steve 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.400 and Michelle Chambers, there was still a lot that John 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.200 Wydra and his fellow FBI agents didn't know. Two missing 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.040 pieces in particular, that prevented them from being able to 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.360 swoop in for the arrests. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.080 It became a matter of where's the money and where's David. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.480 If they made the arrest without knowing where the money was, 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.400 they might never recover it. And if they made the 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.600 arrest without knowing where David was, they might never find 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.280 them or even know whether he's still alive. To track 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.440 down David and the money. The agents decided they needed 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.560 to listen to Steve's phone calls. Took a while to 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:43.319 make this happen. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.840 You can't just say, hey, I want to listen to 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.800 Stephen Michelle Chambers because they're involved in the Loomis case. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:49.600 That's not enough. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.240 It's got to be proven that we can't get this 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.319 information any other way. And then it's limited. The amount 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.000 of time we have it, it's very limited. 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.040 The warrant got approved in the agents tapped the phone 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.280 lines at Steven Michelle's mansion. It might have taken a 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.640 lot of time to get the approval, but it took 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.520 next to no time to hear criminal mastermind Steve say 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.200 a slop jar full of incriminating. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:19.959 Stuff, taking trips, taking friends and family out, and spending cash, 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.880 getting in a fight with him guy at a bar, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.120 and offering to buy the place for you know, four 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.280 hundred twenty dollars bills. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:27.840 Oh yeah, this is good. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.760 Steve got in a fight in a bar and when 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.320 they kicked him out, he did the classic I'll come 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.520 back here and buy this place. It's the kind of 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.280 genius idea you share with your favorite gun for hire. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.160 He wanted to buy the place and make it a knockoff. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:49.520 Hooters with the prison theme. Yeah, it was weird. Steve 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.840 was wanting to have the girls dressing the slutty prison 0:12:53.840 --> 0:13:00.000 guard or the slutty convict halloween outfits. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.240 I deal, and here we were making fun of senior frogs. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.320 Then he's going to convert it into a bar called 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.760 the Big House where all the staff are prisoners. He 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.920 wanted to put them in stripes, but you actually wear 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:15.960 an orange jumpsuit. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.240 That's the kind idea that would make Colonel Sanders a sergeant. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.920 Steve even came up with the brilliant marketing slogan, if 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.120 you're going to do the time, do it right. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.720 When Steve floated that out it to me, I was like, 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.800 you never know, that might be the next big thing. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:35.320 You really don't know. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.840 Until he tried it, you kind of know. And the 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.400 evidence continued piling up. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.040 We found what I called the next stage, which was 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.440 called the friends and family clan. And at the time, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.800 in nineteen ninety seven, I found that to be hilarious 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.200 because that was the AT and T's motto for cell phones, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:14:01.880 and that was mom, dad, grandparents, friends that were not 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.440 involved in either of the planning or any of the 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.559 major spending afterwards. But they all agreed to hide one 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.360 hundred two hundred three hundred thousand dollars in a safe 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.959 deposit box in their name in exchange for payment of 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.880 ten twenty thousand dollars or bottom a car or something 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:20.280 like that. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.600 So the FBI is starting to get answers to the 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.280 money question, but there still isn't any mention of David 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:38.840 on the wire tap. David Gant knows he's being hunted, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.120 and his funds are dwindling faster than a barnyard quickie 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.280 gone or the days of fancy hotels, lobster on the halfshell, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.400 and premium tequila. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.160 When the tribal bulletins say don't leave the tourist area, 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:57.720 don't eat ice, don't buy street food, they mean it. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.880 He made this mistake with the can coon street food. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.800 Early on, it tasted really, really good. But about seven 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.000 eight hours later, I'm up in my really nice hotel 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:14.440 and that's when it hit me. The bug that's in 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:20.280 their water, in their food. It's horrible. It is straight 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.840 from the pits of hell. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.000 But this was back when David still had a fancy 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.040 hotel to pamperum. So there were solutions within reach. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.480 I crawled to the door and I called room service 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.760 and they sent the little kid up. I gave him. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:43.040 I don't know how much money, I said, pepto bismol grindde. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:48.080 Once you do that and you survive, you can eat anywhere. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.960 Also, like Jason Bourne, David Gant knows every language. 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.960 If you want to learn Spanish, got to immerse yourself 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:05.520 to watch the Latino soap operas because you can get 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.720 the gist of what they're seeing and you can start 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:15.800 putting it together. Calesinko in the Cancoon, and that's how 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.360 you learn basic Spanish. There's gotta be a beautiful woman, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.480 there's gotta be an old angry woman. There's gonna be 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.200 one fat cowboy, and then there's dashing hero them the 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.720 Antonio Banderas looking guy. Because you know when the woman 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.400 is standing there with her hand or you know the 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.440 gist of what she says, you start putting it together. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.320 David's also a master the art of the skies. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.440 I'm dressing like the whitest Mexican you've ever seen. The 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.320 flip flops. Keep your feet good and cool. You want 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.000 wherever you want, and go to the beach. You can 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.440 go down to the club, no one notice. The baggy 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:55.200 shirt allows the sweat to wick away. The cut off 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.280 shorts are just convenient. 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.920 Okay, maybe he needs someone other than David to explain 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.159 how terrifying his situation actually was. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.520 David told me that everywhere he was going he was 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:08.280 turning his head. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:08.920 He said. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:10.560 He told me once he was getting he was at 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.600 a barbershop getting his hair dyed brown, and in the 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.560 middle of it all, he heard someone say police and 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.239 he got up to go to the bathroom and like 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.560 went out the window or something in the back with 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:21.920 his hair half died. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.959 That's author Jeff Diamond, who interviewed David a little bit 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.920 after these events. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.160 He was staying in his hotel room eating eminem, listening 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.000 to the Eagles, watching Men in Black on TV all 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.120 day and really just like terrified to go anywhere. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.680 I probably financially ruined myself by eating the M and 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.760 ms out of the snack bar in the in the room. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:49.080 Calls like a dummy. I've never has snack bar, and 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.560 I didn't know every time he touched that has three bucks. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:54.080 That shit adds up. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.360 And if he's put more thought into it, your allyes. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.600 The men come in two flavors. They're either a giant 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.560 teenage or John Toddler. It's just a matter of toys 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.840 and an attitude. I'm typically a giant Toddler. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:13.120 To summarize, David's in deep, He's cowering in a hotel 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.560 room in a foreign country, with no friends, no Kelly, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.040 no work prospects, in a stash of cash is shrinking 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.720 by the day. Maybe it's just time to go to 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.520 the embassy and give himself up like he threatened to do. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.120 But willfully putting yourself in the pokey is a decision 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.159 you tend to procrastinate on. Same for officially giving up 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:38.159 on millions of dollars. So what's the latest with Kelly. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.880 The FBI has been conducting physical surveillance on Kelly since 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.520 shortly after the heist. They know she lied about being 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.879 in touch with David the day of the robbery, and 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.000 they notice she makes frequent trips to a payphone outside 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.280 a convenience store. Kelly k new talking on a payphone 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.240 created extra hassle for the FBI, so to be able to. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.159 Get a wire tap on a payphone back then, not 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.119 knowing where it was going to be or when it 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.400 was going to be, because they're not going to allow 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.240 you to listen to anybody's conversation on that payphone except 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:20.080 that one call. So we're trying to figure out through 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.040 other wiretaps, what time she's supposed to be at which payphone. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.720 Then you have to write it up and get it 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.199 to a judge for signature, and then get it to 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.520 the telephone company so that you can listen to that call. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.560 So you're running around. You got an attorney that's just 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.119 sitting in a room waiting to fill in information from another 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.880 team that's listening to a phone call. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.639 So finally the FBI figures out the time and the 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.720 location and gets the approval of the judge. Now they're 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.800 just waiting for Kelly to show up and take the 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.080 call so they can listen in and hopefully finally track 0:19:55.119 --> 0:20:09.960 down David Gamm. Kelly seems to be running late. Finally, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:11.800 almost twenty minutes. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.560 After the first call, Kelly still. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:20.679 Hasn't shown up, but the phone rings again. An agent 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:24.480 decides to pick up and says hello. A kind of 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.639 nervous sounding guy with a North Carolina accent says he 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.639 must have the wrong number and hangs. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:34.520 Up pretty suspicious, except this. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.840 Is North Carolina and a lot of people have that accent. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:43.600 The agent hangs around, still know Kelly not surprised. Then 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:48.840 the phone rings again. The agent picks up. The same 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.560 male voice with the North Carolina accent asks who's there. 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.440 The agent says, I'm just standing here and I picked 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.600 up the phone man, and then the man hangs up. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.199 All that work and lawyers waiting in rooms and trips 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.480 to judges and still no phone call between Kelly and David. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:15.840 But it had to be him, right, because when I 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:17.800 talked to him on the phone, he would be like, well, 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:18.880 when are you coming down? 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:23.399 Well, when can you get me some money? And I 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.600 would just make up excuses like, well, I think I 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.520 should probably stay here so I keep on what's going on, 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.399 or I'm scared. If I leave now, then the FBI 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.600 is going to be wondering why just up and left, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.760 and it's going to cause them to start looking further. 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.240 You know, I just kept making up excuses and kept 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.000 telling him that yes, I was coming. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.960 In the previous weeks, whenever she got off the phone 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:52.080 with David, Kelly always reported dutifully back to Steve. She 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.920 told him right away that David didn't trust Bruno anymore, 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.880 and Steve emphasized to Kelly that she had to keep 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.600 close tabs on David. Now she was the only one 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:02.800 left keeping an eye on him and making sure he 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.760 wouldn't turn them all in. Her job was the same 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.840 as it had been since the beginning of the heist, 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.280 keeping David happy, leading them on. It's just that the 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:16.679 stakes were even higher now. But driving to a payphone 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:20.400 once a week to hear a heartbroken paranoid man who 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:24.120 you completely screwed over plead with you is just really 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:24.879 hard work. 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:26.360 Oh my god. 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:31.680 I guess the most aggravating part was Steve not doing 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:39.560 enough to keep David pacified, because, you know, if he 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.800 would have just sent him more money. I think that 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.720 was the biggest thing with David was because he wasn't 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.520 getting as much money as he thought he should, which 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.520 I agree he should have, but I don't know if 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:58.080 that was Steve's greed or why he didn't just you know, 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.600 take him home hundred thousand that, you know, then we 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:04.240 won't have to worry about it for a little while. 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.320 And by complete coincidence, that same day in February, when 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.040 Kelly was too tired to go to take David's call. 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:21.040 Was the same day the FBI was staking out the payphone. 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.840 You might say Kelly did David a favor by failing 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:26.119 to show that day and keeping him off a wiretap. 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.400 But even without knowing exactly what's going on, David's an 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.360 understanding guy, too understanding. 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:39.600 Mexico doesn't do the whole time switch in the seasons 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.920 where they moved the clocks forward. It's throwing our schedule 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:44.520 out of whack. 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.840 Steve freaked out when Kelly told them she missed the 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.040 call with David. So when David Paige has set up 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.600 another call for the next day, she made sure to 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:59.040