WEBVTT - Polls Be Damned?! 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.680 Native Lamdpard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:05.480 Reasoned Choice Media. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.960 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.280 Welcome home to the Native landing on the podcast based 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.160 that's it for greatness sixteen minutes. 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:16.560 It's so hit, not too. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.400 Long for the great shit, high level combo politics in 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.000 a way that you could taste it then digest it. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.960 Politics touches you even if you don't touch it. So 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.760 get invested across the t's and doctor i's, get them 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.880 back to get them staying on business with Rie. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:32.120 You could have been. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.280 Anywhere but to truse Us Native Land Podcast, the brand 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.520 that you can trust us. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.600 Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty one, y'all. We 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.120 are legal legal Well yes you're the middle of eighteen, 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.720 but we legal legal twenty one of Native Lampard, where 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.080 we give it to you directly straight as my good 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.960 friend Jiffy says, no chaser, You're gonna get it here 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.960 on politics, culture and everything we think it's important to 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.520 talk about. We are your host, Tiffany Cross, angela Ryan 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.040 Andrew Gillen. What's up, y'all? 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But listen, y'all, we we 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.080 we had our first live show. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.200 It was so much so it was so good. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:50.440 On today's episode, y'all, the jury is out as of 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:55.520 time of recording. The jury has been uh admonished by 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.320 the judge. To get to the deliberating, We're also going 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.080 to go inside the Democratic Party establishment. We're going to 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.520 talk about panic setting in spreading throughout many high level 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.240 Democratic officials who are, to put it lightly, a little 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.160 bit nervous about November. We're going to talk about what 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.440 these poll numbers mean at this point. Then we'll jump 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.120 into the Middle East and talk about what's happening in Gaza. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:26.040 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnya, who has vowed to continue 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:31.240 the Israeli assault on the city of Rafa, despite despite 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:39.520 repeated admonishments from countries stretching worldwide, and also despite horrific 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:45.000 bombing of citizens designated safe zones and increasing condemnation, as 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.400 we said, from the global community. We'll hear what the 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.160 administration has to say about that, and we want to 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:56.160 talk to you directly, our audience about a question, comment, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.720 observation that's been coming our way in our chats and 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.800 conversations and just the general mood of what we've been feeling, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.400 and that is, how do you decide who to vote 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:10.880 for when both presidential candidates I don't know kindes seem 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.560 or maybe a better and fair way to put that is, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.359 maybe you've decided that your life won't be changed by 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.239 either way of the outcome. And we want to talk 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.920 to you about how we talk to each other, our family, 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.840 our friends and loved ones around this upcoming presidential race. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.000 We'll give our best input thoughts and you hear us 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.760 think out loud around how it is we're approaching this 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.800 upcoming November election. Stay tuned is going to be a 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:43.280 great show, everybody, So, y'all, we want to begin today's 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:48.240 conversation with a quick update on what's happening in the 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.640 Trump trials, And I almost Tiffany and Angela hesitate to 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:56.880 say trials because we've only seen one, and I'm actually 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.600 not convinced we're going to see many more. There won't 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.320 be another one before election day. Many of us have 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.560 been tuned into the coverage and the chiron reading by 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:13.360 various hosts on television or or in various newspapers, and 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.440 we've reached a culmination point. In fact, Tiffany in angel 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.000 I was telling someone before the show began, how I 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.520 don't know tense. I felt not just sort of I've 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.360 been on the side of of sort of jury, being out, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.880 you know, thinking about my own fate, but this seems 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.960 to me to be so much more consequential, this jury, 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.039 what it may come back with. I don't want to 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.000 have us, you know, percolate necessarily on what do we 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.800 think the jury will decide. But my question for the 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.440 two of you, and really for our audiences, have we 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:56.960 really given thought to what happens politically as a political 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.120 outflow from any decision made this jury? And I think 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.359 what we mean by any is in the range of 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.680 possibilities there can be an acquittal outright Obviously, there can 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:12.280 be a hung jury, and there can be convictions at 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.599 various levels of the charges that have been bought against 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.800 Donald Trump. Now I got I can imagine that if 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.239 you're Trump, You're gonna spewer this, you know, skewer the system, 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.000 no matter what the outcome. I don't know how Biden 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.360 plans to respond, and I'm not as concerned about that. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.480 I'm mostly concerned around whether or not you think there 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:34.600 will be a lasting consequence of the verdict as we 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:40.320 think about this race in November. If Trump's let off, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.680 if he has a conviction, do y'all think it matters 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:44.560 toward November? 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.400 Okay, Tiff is looking because she doesn't like to talk abound. 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.440 I was letting you speak first because my answer is 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:54.480 on something else. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.920 I want rather y'all weigh in, and then I'll weigh in. Okay. 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:05.039 So you know, I think this is really fascinating to me. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.200 One because there are so many indictments at play here. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.040 This is a thirty four if you remember, Alvin Bragg 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:17.840 wrote out thirty four indictments against the former president last April, 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.279 and this is now what the jury has to consider. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.800 The thing that's been frustrating for me in some ways 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:28.479 is I'm someone who I'm not an auditory learner. I 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.560 am an igates and an igates kind of learner. So 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.360 I wanted to see this trial, which we couldn't really see. 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.880 I think the other thing that I'll say is I 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.800 was telling you all earlier on our pre pro call 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:48.080 that I really think that the prosecution did an interesting 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.880 thing before the jury went out for deliberations and re 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.360 enacting the call between Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump's security guard, 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.360 and Donald Trump himself to demonstrate how long a minute 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.400 in thirty six seconds is right. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.239 I don't know if. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.840 That creativity gets them where they need to be in 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:07.880 this thirty four. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:10.800 These thirty four counts. I don't know. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.440 I haven't paid close enough attention to the trial. But 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:17.040 here's what I do know. I do know that Donald 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.920 Trump has a rabbit base. I do know that there 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.240 are folks who want to believe that he is someone 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.880 who is taking on the justice system, and the system 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.680 is out to get him, especially because he's painted this 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.480 lie so well, and his folks believe that. You know, 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.760 they had to stop the still, even if it meant 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.800 wiping shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk, pardon my French, but 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.160 that is indeed what happened. And so I think that 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.760 the only thing that can happen from this trial is 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.600 that his base grows increasingly more rabbit. I think that 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.200 if he is found not guilty, they're gonna think that 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.600 he's the people's champ and Rocky on the steps in Philadelphia. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:55.800 Right. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.320 If he's found guilty, they're gonna, you know, be rabbit 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.000 again about why this system took him on and why 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.800 it's so patently unfair, you know. And then the last 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.240 thing that I'll say is I think it's very interesting 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:14.880 too that one of the arguments from the defense has been, Hey, 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.200 this is someone who wasn't trying to sway an election 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.800 or what the voters knew. He was merely doing this 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.840 to keep it from his family, right, And if we 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.360 take Donald Trump out of the equation, that's actually a 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.560 very compelling argument. I don't ever want to give his 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.839 team credit for much, but I think out of all 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.600 the lawyers he's been through, he'dn't been through he ran 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:36.480 through some lawyers. 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.000 That was a compelling piece for me. And so we'll see. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.040 He's seen with his family or wife. I mean. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.160 Listen, these people don't care. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.920 They think Malayna fly and you know, he got kids 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.160 from all his baby mamas and he's trying to keep 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:53.599 it from all them because they don't want them to 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.920 be more upset. Who knows, But I'm just telling you, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.400 when you love somebody and when you're a fan of 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.200 someone and you are like I said, read, you don't 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.480 figure it out. And so that's the real question. What 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:06.480 about the rest of the folks on the fringe? Can 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.679 they also write it off? Will they also write it up? 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.960 Or were the facts? Will the facts sway them in 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:11.400 this case? 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:11.680 I don't. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:16.360 I think that's because Malanya has been so absent. I mean, 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.840 you saw tweetledd and tweedled dumb show up. You know, 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.680 with their their like we are the most loyal to 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:22.480 their father. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.320 Who are they? I don't think timpany. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.400 I don't think it was Laura Trump, Don Junior and 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:31.560 Eric That's who I saw. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.760 If you saw something different, maybe saw something different. But 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.920 who which one was tweetledd and which one tweet. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.040 Tweetled d is Don tweetled Dom and Eric Trump? Everybody 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.239 knows that, Okay. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.079 I used to say, and I'm not advocating violence. But 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.480 I used to say they were so punishable. They used 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.840 to what I was. I was like, man, these guys 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:49.760 are so punishable. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.600 I mean, I don't when it's a universal belief. But anyway, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.199 this is this is my my bigger point, because I 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.080 have not been caught up in the minutia of the 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.200 trial either. I kind of, you know, one of for 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.800 when it comes to things Donald Trump, because I always 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.880 say it's like catching confetti trying to keep up with it. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.800 I am more of a headline reader just to give 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.400 and you know, like, oh, okay, I see what's happening 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.160 from a macro perspective, not a micro perspective. I think 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.120 the bigger challenge here with me is as Donald Trump 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:23.120 has been on this trial, his base has not gotten smaller. 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.120 There were not people to walk away from them, as 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.680 completely predicted. Nimroda has now said she will vote for 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.720 Donald Trump. If you were surprised by any of this, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.120 you have not been paying attention. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.440 I think it is a continuation. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.280 Of the erosion in the judicial system. No matter what 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.680 side of the divide you occupy, we have lost faith 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.920 in the judiciary. It's not lost on me that this 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.439 is happening at the same time as the news come 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.760 out has come out around Samuel Alito, just as Samuel 0:10:55.760 --> 0:11:00.000 Alito and his wife apparently looked at Genny Thomas and say, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:04.000 hold my beer, let me get into this. And it 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.640 just it makes me look at no matter what happens, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:12.560 whatever this outcome is with this trial, the it's like 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.400 the belief and our functions are are the cornerstones of 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.560 our democracy are eroding over time. This is the first 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.680 time something like this has happened. I'll remember, you know. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.640 I try to say, like here's something that was happening 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.800 thirty years ago or one hundred years ago, to show 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.760 that history is cyclical. Nothing's new under the sun. So 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.040 the same thing did happen with Richard Nixon. You know, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.800 when his trial was out, it was one thing that 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.839 was being televised. And now it just seems to me, 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:44.400 Angela Andrew, that we have normalized this maniac and his 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.680 myriad of trials and tribulations that he has brought to 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.679 the American people and it hasn't had any impact, Like 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:58.200 it just has done nothing to his pulling nothing. And 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.040 you know, I've said this to you guys privately, but 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.320 I'll say it publicly because I feel like there are 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.719 so many other people who may feel this way. I'm 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:12.240 getting increasingly exhausted, and it is personally outrageous that so 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.240 many people out there would rather have a dumb white 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.120 person run this country instead of a smart black person 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.679 because racism runs that deep. And two that there are 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.000 over seventy five million people who are willing to overlook 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:31.040 everything disgusting about this man because they have been brainwashed. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.720 So I don't know what's going to happen in this 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.560 trial washed well. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.520 Brainwashed or no, no, no, Tiffany, I was just gonna, you know, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.640 put push you on that which is brainwashed. Or have 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:48.440 they decided from day zero that the uniting factor between 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.840 all of them has to do with their their need, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.520 their desire, their desperation to hold onto power. When you 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.400 make this, when you make the deal with the devil, right, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.880 you take all the bad that comes with it because 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.120 what made you bedfellows will put you in this together. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:13.160 Is this common, unassailable mission to in this case, in 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:18.800 my opinion, keep hold on to at any cost power 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.760 in the wake of a changing demographic, a changing American electorate. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:25.199 You know. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.719 It's it's not all white people, you know, Like when 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.360 we were in Miami, I'll tell you. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.320 Guys, power doesn't There was a lot of. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.040 At the airport. There were so many Maga hats, Maga 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:43.920 T shirts. And I remember in Washington, d C. This 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.839 was maybe four years ago, and somebody was walking down 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.840 U Street, which is a historically black neighborhood, with a 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.800 Maga hat and a Maga T shirt on, and I 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.200 legit was concerned for this man's wellbeing. Some I'm like, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.160 you got some balls to walk around and people were 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.559 definitely looking but kind of you know, skipping past him. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:02.920 He wasn't comfortable. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.960 Not so in Florida like there, I also there are 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:06.680 a lot of hell. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.480 Uc k Mega teacher. I would have been uncomfortable. I 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.200 would have warned it, but I would have been uncomfortable. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:12.719 I would have been in the minority in Florida. And 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.280 these are Latino people who are overwhelmingly in Miami. I 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.839 saw Latino people, So to me, it is brainwashed if 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.920 you are willing to vote for someone who is openly 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.600 saying things about your community and you personally. I mean, 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.160 he gave Lindsay Graham your cell phone number to everybody, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.320 and Lindsey Graham said, but I love you. He dragged 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.840 Nicky Haley across all kinds of stages. He said, but 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.800 I'm voting for you, So I to me, that's brainwashed. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.000 You got the last time, Angela, you got the last 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:40.480 comment on this. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:41.160 Yeah. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.800 I think to this point, we're starting to see some 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.880 changes even in something called the polls this early. So 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.200 on that point, I think it's a great point moment 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.600 to switch gears and see what's happening with these battlegrounds 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:59.280 or why democrats? Is democrats talking about the party and 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:00.640 the changing the demographics? 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:01.800 You say democrats? 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:02.640 I was with you. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:08.040 Thank you, Tip for that. Save way to go Democrats. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.280 Let me tell you this, I don't think Democrats were 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.440 included in these polls. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.000 Talk to us about it, Andrew. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.080 Asa, thank you for that as always keeping us on track. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.720 So your latest polling, some of y'all have may may 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.400 be seeing articles and your local papers, those of us 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:31.920 who national papers, but it's everywhere, y'all. Folks are getting nervous, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.600 and obviously I think it's a function of the fact 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.480 that hell, we're now past Memorial Day and we're closer 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:42.600 to the election day. But from the Hill seven hundred 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:49.400 and twelve polls Trump across battleground states, leading Biden forty 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.080 six and a half to Biden's forty five and a half. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.560 Biden's overall approval rating this month tied for the lowest 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.720 rating and the history of his presidency. Y'all, Biden's approval 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.040 rate is forty point seven percent around this time and 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.000 his campaign and presidential term in May of twenty twelve, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:14.840 Obama's approval rating set it around forty seven percent. So 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.040 the polling that we just referenced are obviously of some 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.280 of the key battleground states and some of the national 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.680 polls of registered voters, and in some cases actually in 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.920 fewer cases if you look at the cross tabs, less 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:34.800 likely voters, which I think is interesting and we can 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.560 talk about it obviously on the other side of this piece, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.640 But there is a difference between registered and likely. There 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.160 is also interesting I don't know if y'all found this 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.040 interesting or not from the political article Politico I'm sorry 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:53.240 article that many of the top Democrats who gave comments 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.360 on this, who reflected on what some of their personal 0:16:55.360 --> 0:17:00.160 experiences are with donors and other sort of experts in 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.920 the field, is that they didn't want to be named. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.359 They don't want to be associated publicly with some of 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.760 the trepidations that are happening, that are happening behind the scenes. Now, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.960 I'm not dumb enough to think that we have the 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.760 monopoly on the right answer, but I am curious to 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.960 hear y'all's perspective on at this stage in the game, 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.280 and I reference Obama's previous numbers just by way of comparison. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.000 Do we have something to be ringing the alarm bell about? 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:32.000 And if so, is there anything Biden can say, do 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.840 or calls to come into formation that will change where people, 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.640 frankly are right now as it relates to humans administrative. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.840 I gotta say, every single time I hear a conversation 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.160 about polls, every time I see one on outlets, every 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:50.280 time I see an article, I immediately go me me, me, me, me, me, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.479 me me, because it just it's such an intant, it's 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.480 boring enough to make me sleep. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.640 I just saw Snoopy for some reason show. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.880 It's such an inside the bell Way conversation, and the 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.560 Beltway media is so incestuous that they every outlet you 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.880 called the Hill political, all of these people they talk 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.199 to each other for each other, about each other, And 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.080 I think if we want to disrupt that that we 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.760 have to stop putting so much emphasis there. 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:16.840 Number one a week is an eternity. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.400 Do you think it's wrong? Do you think it's not? Yeah? 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:19.679 I do. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.640 I mean I don't. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.800 I think campaigns can pour over polls. I don't understand 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.320 the point in forcing it down the throats of voters 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.359 and the American people. But again, this is how the 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.639 Beltway media has penetrated this and in so many ways. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.760 I think, what does it matter to a person living 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.120 in Pennsylvania who is you know, they feel a certain way, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.360 they have their issues that they're voting on. What does 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:44.200 it matter to them? 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:44.640 At this point? 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.840 We have a nominee, we have a Democratic nominee, we 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.359 have a Republican nominee. What does it matter how they're 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.240 doing in the polls? To me, that's something for campaigns 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:52.919 to worry about. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:54.720 Well, how can I just. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.080 Because I have I have a point I want to make. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:58.720 Go ahead, ask me the question because I want to 0:18:58.720 --> 0:18:59.240 make sure well. 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:04.280 I My question is whether you agree with polling, don't 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.320 agree with pole and put put sauce in it, don't 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.800 At some point we got to have indications around whether 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.360 or not this administration is moving on the right track, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.840 the wrong track, what we're facing, so on and so forth. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:19.000 So I'm curious to you, regardless of the instrument, do 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.760 you believe that this calls for alarm? 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.359 I mean, okay, So again, I would go back to 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.960 the original point I was making. I think campaigns have 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.920 to worry about that. I don't think that the American 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.639 people have to consume that. I think that's something for 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:39.040 consultants and the politicians themselves to worry about. I think 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.119 for voters, what's more interesting and what's more to the 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.399 point is this is where this candidate stands on this issue, 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.840 and this is what this candidate is doing about this issue, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.679 and this is what's happening around these issues that impact 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.200 us all. Number One, like I said, a week is 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.679 an eternity in politics. So when you what happens is 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.679 they just put out ooh Biden is doing bad in 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.800 the polls, or ooh, Biden is up two points, or 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.359 ooh Trump is up two points with this group, and no, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.640 like most people just do not have the curiosity about 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.080 it enough to say, well, when was this poll taken? 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.560 Who did they pull what's the margin of error? How 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.840 did they pull Was this an online poll? Was this 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.360 a poll where they were calling people's cell phones? Well, 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.359 what kind of person's answering a cell phone number that 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.840 they don't recognize? What were the questions asked? What was 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:22.919 happening in the news cycle when this thing happened? It 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.640 does nothing to inform people. It does nothing. The further 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.000 the conversation, it is the same to me, echo chamber 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.639 bs that we see all the time. And I just 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.240 I don't think we should be talking about polling all 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:36.840 the time. I mean, I know, I understand it's something 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:37.359 that happened. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:39.680 I mean I haven't talked to no. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.679 Polling Okay, Well, the point I'm making is about media 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.159 at large. It just doesn't inform people. So those are 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:51.320 my thoughts on polling. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.080 So Angel, I'd be curious. I don't know if so 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.000 if we move the conversation from one of the instruments 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.280 of polling and rather one of what we are either 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.679 lived experience experiencing from the people we're talking to in 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:11.639 contact with. Is it a admission? Is it appropriate to 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.520 say there ought to be alarm bills going off around 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:21.080 the country everywhere? That not a Biden's campaign is in 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.960 a terrible place, but that the democracy we think we 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.919 might inherit post November might be radically different because of 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.200 what the outcome of the election may be. If if, if, if, 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.840 I'll admit not bury the lead. I'm worried. But if 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:41.040 we are, if this is not cause for concern, tell 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.480 us why we shouldn't be concerned around where Biden stands 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:45.960 right now with the American electorate. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.080 Well, I think there's I think two things can be true. 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.920 I think the first thing that I will acknowledge on 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.240 on Tip's part, and that I will probably take a 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.720 step further Again, y'all know I was raised activists, so 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.080 I come here with full conspiracy theories than. 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:03.399 Proud of it. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.520 I believe that polling has more to do with sounding 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:13.719 alarms to get the typical white consultants on both sides 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.520 of the aisle and everybody in between, more contracts like 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.320 this is why you need to spend more dollars with 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.520 us so we can send out more mailers. This is 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.640 why you need to spend more money on these advis 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.840 because look at your numbers. This is why you need 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:26.760 to go after these Nikki Haley voters that are never 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.840 coming to you because they are more valuable than everybody else. 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:31.560 Like, I think it has more to do with sounding 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:32.480 that alarm. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.240 That said, I do think that the information is worth dissecting, 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.040 in part because I think that. 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:42.480 If we're honest the. 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.800 To Tip's point again, the news cycle does dictate how 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.520 we feel about a candidate on the local, state, or 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.119 federal level at any given moment. I really disagree with 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.520 what this person did this week, and so therefore I 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.080 don't really know how I feel about them. I'm not 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.760 fooling with them. You might say that I have never 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:00.800 been polled. I don't know if y'all been polled. I 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.480 have never in my life been polled. So I also 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.080 feel like, is my other conspiracy theory that sometimes these 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:08.760 people be making this stuff up. I don't even know 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.400 if they're really talking to human beings. I'm not talking 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.240 about Terrence or Cornell, but I ain't talking about some 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:15.800 of these other ones. I just don't know if they 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:17.600 really actually end up talking to people. And you know, 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.560 I didn't lost my other point. Oh, the last way 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:25.200 Andrew was should no matter whether we're considering polls or not, 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.880 there is there a reason for alarm right now. Absolutely, 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:32.480 and I know we're gonna talk about it more in 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:37.119 this show. Particularly given what's happening in Gaza, particularly given 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:41.320 what's happening with aid to foreign aid to Ukraine and 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:45.320 to end to Israel, and what is happening here, there 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:50.120 is reason to feel alarm. I feel alarmed personally because I'm, 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.640 as you guys know, like we have been pushing for 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:55.720 this pardon for Marilyn Moseby, and I'm irritated that we 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.080 haven't even heard really anything concrete from this administration. 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.920 We have the right to push the administration on. 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:04.919 Causes that we care deeply about, and when you're not 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.720 responsive to those causes, yes, it pisss me off. 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.240 Yes I'm frustrated. And so there, I don't want. 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.960 To collapse these really large scale, macro level issues into 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.840 something small. But that small thing is very meaningful to 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.359 us in a major way. And so yes, there's a 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.440 reason there's reason for alarm in in gazillion ways. But yes, 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.399 I know h and I have a question about that 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.040 later in the show, Angela, So audience stay tuned, because 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.880 before we get off air, I want you to explain 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.120 why a pardon is still needed for Marylyn even though 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.000 she's not serving in a jail time. A lot of 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.359 people have asked me about that, and I have questions 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:45.200 about it too. But getting back to the subject of Poland, 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.159 I do think that is like an interesting transition to 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.520 talk about Gaza, because again, while it does not inform 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.280 voters well, I think that this administration would be idiotic 0:24:55.440 --> 0:25:00.240 to not consider how their myopics thont stance on Israel 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.440 has not had a direct impact on how on the 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:08.840 enthusiasm levels of how people feel about voting this November, 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:10.200 which is frightening. 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:14.800 Yeah, so polls be damned. 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.800 I think you should, because I know people going to 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:20.240 be mad at me for what I said, But I'm 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.239 not trying to say polls on I don't like to 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.440 name the podcast polls by. 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:31.320 I think and and of all people who should should 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.600 have issue with polling. I've been on both sides of 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.399 those things, and I've seen where they come from. But 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.800 I will say this, if where people stand and how 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.560 they feel about a particular issue was derived from what 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.480 they see on the news, then everybody's hair would be 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:53.399 on fire about the Trump trials right now, except that 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.520 it is hardly registering as it relates to the impact 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.920 on where he stands with the American I think that's 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:07.760 an interesting paradox. I also think it's interesting that, in 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:15.159 my opinion, the how do you say, the polling around 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:21.360 where the American people prioritize what's happening internationally ranks far 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:26.840 lower than almost any other issue on the planet. Israel, guys, 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:31.040 that comes up only relationship to where American resources should 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:35.600 be being spent, otherwise not in overwhelming outrage about what's 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.480 happening on the ground. And yes, we're going to go 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.680 to that topic. But I just the reason why. I 0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:45.960 think I'll offer my take here that the polling does 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.359 matter in the context of what happens, not just toward 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:53.960 the election's outcome, but also towards what steps the administration takes. 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.440 How hard they go in the paint, for instance, on 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:01.600 one side of this conflict. For another, whether or not 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.600 they talk about wick in a public statement, or rather 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.159 they put it in a byline of a press release, 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:11.159 is in my opinion, in my experience, having run and 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.479 also served, it is largely driven by the fact that 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.439 if people aren't talking about it, don't appear concerned about it, 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:22.040 And most inputs that give a politician their cues on 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:26.879 that is from polling, is because they have learned from 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:28.800 the American people that is not important, and therefore they 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.639 don't talk about it. I have found with almost nearly 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.040 every politician I've ever worked with, many of them don't 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:38.359 necessarily drive new cycles with courageous positions on things. They 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.800 drive new cycles in reaction to what they think people 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.120 want to hear or what they think people are most 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:46.440 interested in seeing them do. And so I don't want, 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:48.800 at least from my perspective, I don't want anyone to 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:52.800 think that these things are insignificant, don't matter, only matter 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.680 with a consultant class. They matter for all of us 0:27:55.880 --> 0:28:00.200 because they almost always dictate the actions of the peopleeople 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.199 who are in power, who are making decisions, who are 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.800 passing laws, who are proposing laws. It has a direct 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.880 impact on whether or not they do something or they 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.520 don't do something that's not buying large everybody. 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:11.439 But I. 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:14.960 Would not look to the political class to be the 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.879 courageous class. They are almost always the followers of what 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.360 people on the ground are already doing and are already 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:22.960 moving about. 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.159 I can't say, Andrew, I feel like you're agreeing with 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:29.359 my point, like it matters to the politician, not the voter. 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.320 Like if you're the I think. 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.359 It matters to the voters. I think it matters to 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.159 the voters because it dictates the actions of the politician. 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.200 I agree, this is I agree, but I'm yes, so 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:40.680 you're right. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.760 It matters to the voters in terms of like, yes, 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.920 voters should be polled and that info should be shared 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.400 with politicians. All those things matter. But to lead a 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:53.280 newscast or to like make this the headline of like, oh, everybody, 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.560 here's what the polls say, I would go back to 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.080 Endela's point. I think that is about consultants, and especially 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:02.200 when most times you're not even explaining, like some people 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:06.080 don't even know, like this polling outlet is heavily conservative, 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:07.200 they skew to the right. 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.480 Or the way questions are even framed. 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.400 The question could be like if you can say, well, 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.320 how do you feel about the Biden administration's handling of Gaza, 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:16.240 that's one thing. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.040 Or the question could. 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.760 Be how angry are you about buy on a scale 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.040 of one to ten, how angry are you about that? 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:27.480 That has a completely different sentiment to it when the 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.360 question is asked. Also, as a politician, you know how 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.000 focus groups are. When you have a focus group room 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.680 full of white people, send a white questioner in there 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.080 to ask them how they feel about something when it's 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.920 somebody different, so you get different responses, and the same 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:42.440 thing happens on the babe. I know, I can tell 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.200 when I'm talking to somebody who looks like me and 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.479 when they don't, and it's a different response. So I 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.120 think you don't want to say it, but I think 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.760 you are agreeing with me on some level. 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.720 I would say it if I'm simply saying the reason 0:29:54.760 --> 0:30:00.360 why it can't be thrown in the trash is because 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:07.920 of the power that these instruments are dictating. Well, whichever waylaid. 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:09.760 I like this and I'm not even in it. 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.480 Yeah, the reason why that can't that, the reason why 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.840 that cannot happen, and I hope people don't allow it 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.240 to happen, is because of the effect that it ultimately 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:25.000 ultimately has on the body politic and on who gets seen, 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:29.840 who gets heard, and who gets the benefit of the 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.840 actions of politicians because of how they've shown up in 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:33.680 these numbers. 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:39.200 So we don't even get poll We go hard and 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.120 we don't even get poll y'all never been precisely and 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.000 you're saying, Andrew, the way that polls are presented and covered. 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.480 Now you think the status quo is fine, like the 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:48.520 way this works it works. 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.680 Hell no. But my but my issue isn't on the coverage. 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.880 The coverage of it, My my, my, My issue with 0:30:56.000 --> 0:31:00.680 it is if we sumarily dismiss it as being unimportant 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:05.400 and only important to a certain class of person, then 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:09.680 we suspend with what is the most I think impactful 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.360 part of this, which is it dictates then actions that 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:13.840 people in powered see. 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:17.880 There's a balance, there's a balance that if we don't 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:19.400 ever get pulled. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.160 Then guess who's impacting the decisions that then get made. 0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.760 We had a problem with the way in which posts 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:31.160 this so too talked about. Wig. We had an issue 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:37.800 on the show you went through and talk to one 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:39.760 of your friends from Capitol Hill to find out where 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.600 to find a particular piece of an important element of 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:44.520 the budget. To the audience, to some of the people 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.120 who listen to to the show, that that was because, 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.160 in my opinion, they are not going to put out 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.520 press releases. They're not going to put out major statements 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.200 on pieces that they don't want to get a lot 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.280 of attention, Tiffany, you say this all the time. They 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.760 whisper what they're going to do to us, and then 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.320 they shot from a microphone what they're going to do 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.120 for others. And I would say the reason why that 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:10.200 happens is because they've been given indicators through instruments like 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.360 polls that say people aren't interested in that they're interested in. 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:14.960 Can we do. 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.080 I would I would like to have I would like 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:21.240 to have a native land pod pole. If you're listening, yes, 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.400 and let us know. I'm trying to tip PSA. So 0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:29.680 we need a document to go with it. Don't you 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:31.840 think like I want to put out a real poll 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.920 where people like Lolo Loves do Google docs. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.520 Okay, go do your BSA, but I want like a 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.480 fur pole. But let's let let. 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.360 Why think it would take this much time? I really 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:44.880 did it, y'all. 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.680 It's your fault, Andrew. Anyway, here we go, So everyone, 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.600 if you're listening, please tune in. We would like to 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.959 hear from you, not just with video questions. But this 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.640 time there's gonna be another survey. It's not nick survey. 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:57.640 This time we're gonna have. 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.240 Lo Loo create a Google doc I don't know what's 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:01.800 going to be on it, but we want to pull 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.560 you because you know what, you never get pulled here. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.480 You will not be invisible, man Ralph Ellison. Here you 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:07.960 are seen. 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.680 Welcome HOMEO everyone, will you. 0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:26.240 Take it away? I love that. On to a much 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:29.840 more serious node, and that is May twenty fourth, the 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:34.040 International Court of Justice ordered Israel to military operations in 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.040 Rafa and keep the area open as a safe zone. 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:45.000 Despite disorder, Israel military launched attacks on a refugee encampment 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:51.040 in Rafa, killing nearly forty five people and injuring dozens more. 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:55.760 On Tuesday, May twenty eighth, Israel launched another attack in 0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:02.000 al mawassee another safe zone, killing twenty one people. As 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.000 of May twenty first, thirty five five hundred and sixty 0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:09.719 two Palestinians and fourteen hundred seventy eight Israelis have been 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.640 killed in the war. But sometimes words don't do the 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:20.080 significant horror of what's happening there justice. So let's take 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:24.839 a look at some of the reporting from the ground. 0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:36.080 Well, the clip that we just saw was after the 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:40.759 IDEF struck an encampment in northwest Rafa, and what you 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:47.000 saw visually is people covering bodies, bodies, burning people in 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:52.279 like desperate, please for help, trying to administer aid, and 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:58.000 yet another air quotes mistake that the government of Israel 0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.520 has called it, and they've made a lot of quote 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:04.359 unquote mistakes. I have to say that I think we're 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:08.280 looking at close to forty thousand civilians killed at this point, 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.160 although people on the ground will tell you that number 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:15.759 is significantly higher because there are bodies still, according to 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:20.719 some reporting, buried beneath rubble in bodies and people who 0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:22.719 are to this day unaccounted for. 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.360 Thank you for that, Tiffany. On May twenty first, President 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:29.520 Biden made these remarks. 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.839 We reject the ICC's application for rest warrants against as 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:39.719 well as leader. Whatever these warrants may imply, there's no 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:47.239 equivalence between Israel and Hamas. It's clear there once to 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.120 all do all it can to ensure civilian protection. But 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.520 let me be clear, contrary to allegations against Israel made 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:57.520 by the International Court of Justice, what's happening is not genocide. 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:03.160 We reject that, and we'll always stand with Israel and 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:04.759 the threats against his security. 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.120 So those are the marks of President Biden that pre 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.120 dates what we just played the clip we just played 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.319 of the attack in northwest Rafa. However, I think it's 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.360 important to note that those re marks were still after 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:22.120 many similar events where the IDF had struck civilian camps 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:26.160 and killed numerous civilian people in Gaza. So next we're 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.319 going to hear from John Kirby. John Kirby is the 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:34.640 spokesperson press person for the Department of State, and this 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:36.440 is a sound from John Kirby. 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.120 How does this not violate the red line put the 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:40.040 President laid out. 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.520 As I said, we don't want to see a major 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:43.400 ground operation. 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:45.280 We haven't seen that at this point. 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:46.640 How many more. 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:53.320 Shard corpses does he have to see before the president 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:54.800 considers a change of problem. 0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:58.080 We don't want to see a single more innocent life taken. 0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.920 And I kind of take a little offense at the question. 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.440 No civilian casualties is the right number of civilian casualties? 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:10.440 If you or right. John Kirby previously was the communications 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:14.279 always said the Department of a State. Now he is 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.359 the National Security Agency spokesperson, which means he's right there 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.200 in the white Even more important, though, to your point, 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:25.480 he's in the belly of the administration's operations, it's thinking, 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.680 and what it wants to communicate to the world about 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:34.080 where the president stands on important issues of national security. 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.160 I just wonder how how this all sits with you 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.359 all in it, and I get a sense of how 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:42.839 it saysts with people, but I'm curious how it sast 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:43.080 with you. 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:48.080 I'm sick. I like, I literally I cannot. 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.759 I just I can't make sense of this to me 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:57.960 when you say that this doesn't Israel hasn't crossed the 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:01.759 red line, because it doesn't, it is not considered a 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.600 major ground operation. I'm curious to know what a major 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.880 ground operation is. Is that one hundred people? Is it 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.480 a thousand people? Is it ten thousand? Is it one 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:18.480 hundred thousand? What constitutes a major ground operation when you 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:23.640 are fighting people with cannons that have slingshots. I just 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:28.040 I don't understand what it takes and how we got here. 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:33.560 And I think what I'm more repulsed by is my own. 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:36.719 Not apathy. 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.200 But it feels like there's a callous that's developing over 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:46.239 my heart, like it's it's becoming the norm. And I'm 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.359 not saying enough and I'm not doing enough, and I 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:53.120 don't know where to start. And I feel, you know, 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.280 like I'm so inspired by so many of these young people, 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.840 but I'm still so frustrated that all of what they've 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.120 sacrificed has not fallen on deaf ears, but it hasn't 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.360 risen to the level that has required this administration to 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.080 really change much. And I just want to know what 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:13.440 it will take, what you know, what will cause you 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:18.839 to lay you know, campaign donations aside, and lay your 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:23.080 commitment to the Iron doma side, and really just move 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:27.319 towards peace, you know. I just I am struggling with this. 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:29.719 I think about what doctor King was saying about the 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.080 Vietnam War, and like, how we get to the point 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.120 where we will literally. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.920 Put a hierarchy on lives, you know. 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.520 Whether I'm not saying that people in Israel should be 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.279 held hostage, but I also damn sure don't think that 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.560 these kids deserve to be blown to shreds. Like this 0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:52.840 is just beyond And I really don't understand how a 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:58.080 nation that prides itself on Christian values when they see 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:03.720 this type of genocide, because that is exactly what it is. 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:03.640 It is. 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.600 It is the willful killing of a people who come 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.840 from a certain group who are made up of certain DNA. 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.799 That is absolutely what a genocide is. When you see 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:16.640 this genocide, how do you square that with your Christian values? 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.920 Where is your compassion? Where is loving your neighbor as yourself? 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.239 Is it loving your neighbor as yourself depending on how 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.760 much they can donate? Is it loving your neighbor as yourself? 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.960 Depending on if they're part of a promised land that 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:31.480 you have somehow warped the Bible into talking about, Like 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:36.040 I just so, I think it's a highlight of how 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.000 tone deaf this administration is. Even for John Kirby to 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:43.799 be offended at the question, you know, it highlights such 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.120 a disconnect with voters and answers one hundred percent right, 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.080 we are witnessing genocide now. I do want to point 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.160 out that Israel and Rapha and Gaza is not the 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.720 only place where this type of devastating conflict is happening. 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.000 And a lot of people ask, why don't you talk 0:40:58.000 --> 0:40:59.560 about this, Why don't you talk about that? We are 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.720 very where. Obviously we know what's happening in Haiti. Obviously 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.200 I'm super well ran on what's happening in the Democratic 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.880 Republic of Congo. I'm very well aware of the conflict's 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:11.640 happening in Nigeria all throughout the continent Sudan, clearly aware 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:16.440 why this is so important and why this matters greatly, 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.880 not that the other conflicts don't matter, but why the 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.240 US has a keen interest here is because we're talking 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:22.440 about nuclear powers. 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.480 Israel is a nuclear power. 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:28.360 And so I think President Biden is trying to tread lightly. 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:32.680 I think it is as much about the votes as 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.680 it is about global diplomacy and the shift that we 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:40.239 see happening among superpowers, because there are some strange bedfellows 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.680 making new friends on this stage. And I think netn 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:46.400 Yahoo is such a Zionist, he is so laser focused 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:51.200 on eradicating the Palestinian people from this territory that he 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.080 is willing to make friends with anybody. So if he 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.960 loses this big brother of the United States, where might 0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:01.320 he turn? What other nuclear powers might he turn to 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:05.160 to gain funding and to continue in this I think 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.120 heartless inhumane effort that we've seen. I think another interesting 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.000 thing that has happened in the United States, which I 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:15.000 greatly applaud. It used to be taboo. You couldnot say anything. 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.600 People would conflate Jewish people, the idea and the Israeli 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.960 government and make them one. And you cannot do that anymore. 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.360 You cannot cancel people. You simply do not have the 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.680 control to do that. There are Jewish people among the protesters. 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.600 So you cannot say everyone who disagrees with the actions 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:33.919 of the Israeli government when it comes to murdering civilians, 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.600 women and children, that you're anti Semitic. Not true. I 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:41.839 rebuke that wholeheartedly. Obviously we don't support anti Semitism. We're 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.640 seeing something completely different. And then when you see people 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.680 speaking out about it and people showing you what you 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.000 don't see. This is the American media, but social media 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:53.360 has democratized who has a voice, and so we see 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:57.160 numerous videos of you cannot tell them, don't tell me, 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.879 don't believe my lion eyes and lioneers, because we're seeing 0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:03.280 it with our own eyes. We have seen decapitated children, 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.759 we have seen charred bodies, we have seen lifeless We've 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.400 saw a grandmother get shot to death while trying to 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:12.759 take her grandchild to safety. And so I think as 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.200 long as this administration has been willfully ignorant to the 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.360 cries of the people, on the ground, who are their voters? 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.640 And these cries have extended across the globe. At this point, 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.319 the entire world is looking at Net and Yahoo and 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.040 the atrocities that the IDF is committed on behalf of 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.040 Net and Yahoo with utter disgust, and who is funding 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.200 that the United States? There is the other side, Andrew, 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.839 where you have to consider, well, I'm so mad, I'm 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.239 not going to vote for Biden. What do you think 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:43.879 is going to happen under a second term Donald Trump presidency? 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:48.920 So I fully understand people's frustration, but apathy or a 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:51.120 protest vote and all those things, I don't think you 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.600 will get the intended outcome with what was making that move. 0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:00.600 Yeah, you know, I appreciate the heartfelt, brilliant nature of 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:08.160 both y'all's comments and Angela in her conversation basically defined 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:11.680 what genocide is, but just definitionally and it doesn't vary 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.479 really much. From what she said, is the deliberate killing 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:16.839 of a large number of people from a particular nation 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:20.319 or ethnic group with the aim of destroying the nation 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:24.040 or group I mean, and quite frankly, it's exactly what 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:30.560 jihad is. When when certain Islamic leaders who are anti 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.720 a Muslim state, say they aught to commit jihad against 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:38.800 islamita I mean against against Israelis. It is to wipe 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:43.400 it out as a as as a group. And the 0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:48.480 reason I believe it requires serious interrogation by the United 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:53.920 States government. The veracity of these of these charges is 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:58.480 because the net and Yahoo government appears to be increasingly 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:04.440 packed with race bigots who and I'm not making this up. 0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:07.680 This is this is. This has been reported in in 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.680 uh in Jewish sources, both in Israel as well as 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.800 here in the United States and all across the globe. 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:18.759 And if and if the US government was full of that, 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:23.239 we could truly identify as as full of racists persecuting 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.480 racist policies with the goal of extinguishing black people in 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.120 this country, we would call it what it is, or 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:33.840 any group of people in this country. So I don't 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.960 it's so serious that this isn't the this isn't a 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.960 matter of name calling. We're trying to get to the 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.759 crux of what is going on. And Biden, as the 0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:48.080 President of the United States and considerably considered by many 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.000 nations in the world as a moral leader, if not 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:57.200 the principled, then moral leader among democracies can't seriously reckon 0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.799 with this, while at the same time saying Israel has 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:03.520 a to defend itself. I don't, I don't. I don't 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:05.960 know where that leaves us. And the and the horrible 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.839 part that I feel about this, y'all, is that it 0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:13.080 will be in somebody's memoirs, long after they have served 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:16.160 and had an ability to impact what's happening today that 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:19.640 we learn about regret and a decision that should have 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:25.080 been made that wasn't. And and the truth of that 0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.360 matter is, is it ain't worth the paper it is 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.399 printed on. After you leave a position where you can 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.600 do something and to a place where all you can 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.760 do is opine on your mistakes. Tiffany, you you broached 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.120 where we want to go I think next. And we've 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.920 heard this and in many ways are pushed thereby our 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:48.120 listeners themselves, who have some interesting queries around how we 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:52.239 reconcile the totality of the Biden agenda, what we're experiencing 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.320 and seeing today, with how they are supposed to perform, 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.839 how they're supposed to show up and if they are 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.640 supposed to show up, or we'll play some bill and 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:01.640 meet you on the other. 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:16.880 Side High Native Land Podcast. 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:18.759 My name is ben Na Guha and I'm a South 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:23.000 Asian artist here in New York City. So I'm trying 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.200 to think about ways to convince. 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:28.560 My friends who vound. 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:32.839 Not to vote for Biden, how to convince them that 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:38.480 that's a mistake I hate. And I'm so disappointed by 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.280 everything Biden is choosing to do in terms of foreign relations, 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.680 in terms of his weird loyalty to Israel, because god damn, 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.040 if children dying doesn't change your mind, I don't. 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:50.279 I don't know what will. 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:54.839 But that being said, Trump is worse, and so I'm 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.040 trying to figure out how to talk to people about 0:47:57.040 --> 0:48:03.000 it without dismissing the consciousness and their spirit. And I 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.399 think it's being handled in a really irresponsible way when 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.160 people ask the same question because they're like, you know, 0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:09.319 shaming people for not. 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.040 Liking Biden right now, and it's like, can you blame people? 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:12.279 You know? 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.719 But there's still a strategic choice here, and I need language, 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:17.640 and I was hoping y'all can help me with that. 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:22.720 Thanks, And she wasn't alone. Let's hear from another listener. 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.200 What's good in NLP. My name is Luke Isaac. I'm 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.120 a twenty five year old from Memphis, Tennessee, and I 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:30.000 wanted to ask y'all this as far as Biden, where 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:34.080 is his core base, where's the voters that are in 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.160 his back pocket? Because the people I'm around are either 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:40.560 older black and brown people that are tired of the 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.200 amount of money that is getting. 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.040 Sent to Ukraine leaders read a room. 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.719 They don't feel like there's an equal amount of money 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:48.080 flowing through our community to. 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:48.719 Lift us up. 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:51.640 And then it's younger people that are around my age, 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.560 college students that are fed up with the amount of 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:55.720 money going to Israel. 0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.319 These are things that will stuck people from building for 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.600 you and need to give me. It's like that administration 0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:03.759 doesn't seem to get that. So I would to ask 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.480 you all who is the fourth because I don't have 0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:10.000 any real Biden fans right now, and I'm kind of 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:12.080 getting worried because it's looking like Trump is going to 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:15.200 be on some unconstitutional and mass deportation stuff and I 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.759 can support that either. So I would be honest with you, 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.319 I'm leaning towards Team Couch And I know y'all hate 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.040 to hear that. I'm so sorry to say it, but 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.920 that's that's where I'm at. 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:29.239 These are two really thoughtful I thought, and consider it 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:34.319 comment slash questions, and it really gets us to a 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:37.040 theme that we've been hearing, I think, rather repeatedly, which 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:40.440 is this whole idea of the lesser of two evils 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:46.400 when you consider Biden the Trump and the question around 0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:49.000 who is Biden's people, who are his base? Who is 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.920 coming with him? I thought was really interesting and I 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:57.680 thought rather informed analysis that you hear from some older folks. Look, 0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.840 we sent it too much money to Ukraine and this 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.720 why should we be concerned? And you hear obviously across 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:06.359 college campuses in many communities, you know, just being fed up, 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:08.839 fed up to the point of protests and and and 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.040 and The truth is is the movement against the Vietnam 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:15.520 more started somewhere right, and and and and and and 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.759 it'd be interesting to see where this goes. But the 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:22.399 lesser of two evils, how do we help listeners think 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:24.719 through how they're to talk about this with with friends 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:27.200 and family. I guess the first thing I say is honestly, 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.040 and that can be painful. What do y'all think? 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.959 Well, I think those are two very different questions because 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.800 I think the last guy was asking who is Biden's base, 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.080 and I think all three of us can say in unison, 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:44.160 Biden's base looks like us. And that's something that unfortunately 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:47.239 this administration seems to be reminded need to be reminded 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:51.799 of a lot, which is pretty frustrating. Biden's base is 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.600 not the nicky Hayley voter that they seem hell bent. 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.960 Ongoing after to the first Young Ladies question around what 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.640 do we say to peopeople? Look, I have to say we, 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:04.040 as black and brown folks in this country, we have 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:07.400 never had the privilege of being single issue voters. We 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.800 just cannot afford that. Yes, I want to add to 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.799 y'all think that there has ever been a candidate that 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.960 stood with me on every single thing I believe in, 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:19.480 and if they didn't, I had the privilege to say, 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:21.600 oh well, oh well, I'm just gonna go vote for 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:23.319 somebody else, or I'm not going to vote. We just 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.239 don't have that privilege. But I say that understanding that 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:31.080 there are many people, particularly people who are Palestinian in 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.279 this country. It would be really hard for you to 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:38.040 ask me to vote for somebody who is killing or 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.960 funding the killing of my people. So I don't want 0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.319 to dismiss that frustration from people. And the truth is 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:46.920 I have no words. I have no words for somebody 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.600 who is saying, you're killing my family, You're killing people 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:53.600 who look like me. I don't have any encouragement there 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.000 for a lot of other people. I understand that you 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:59.520 want to stand in solidarity and that we all in unison, crying, 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:03.719 screaming from the mountaintops. This is genocide. We don't like it. However, 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.600 this policy will not change under Donald Trump. If you 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:10.680 think Donald Trump is gonna stop funding Israel, you are wrong. 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:14.520 He has said publicly, he has pledged to support publicly 0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.719 to net and Yahoo and to the Israel State, and 0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:22.120 has supported what he's seen happen in Israel. So to me, 0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:25.359 it's it's pretty simple. I would also advise the young 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:28.600 woman to focus on policies that the Biden administration has 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:32.880 administered and has gotten passed through Congress that has benefited 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:36.120 people of color, because there have been many policies that 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.239 we benefit from that It might not be a parent 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:41.000 and it might not be as tangible in your life tomorrow, 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.279 but but for sure, there's been policies of this administration 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:51.799 as instituted that we benefit from. You know, I I 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:58.239 think that these are related in part because what I 0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:00.680 think that I hear our folks wrestling with a lot 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:06.080 is not feeling the support from an administration that we 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.319 know that we help to not just elect, but prop up. 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:12.480 And so when you can see the billions of dollars 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.799 going in foreign aid not just because of what Joe 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.359 Biden is doing, but because of what the Republican led 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:21.760 House and the Democratic led barely but Senate is doing, 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:26.520 it's it's hard to not feel invisible in that, and 0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:29.000 it's hard to get people motivated when you're like, Okay, 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.520 where do I really align with you on the issues? 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.480 And frankly, I think what is really tough is in 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:38.160 the middle of having this conversation right after RAFA, you 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:42.760 really have to think about if the achievements that they've touted, 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.960 especially during the you know, the Black History Month fact sheet, 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:50.200 are commensurate with what they're asking us to do or 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.359 what they asked us to do in twenty twenty, which 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:54.640 was to risk our lives in a pandemic to go 0:53:54.719 --> 0:54:02.000 out and vote. Has this administration been radical or courageous 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:04.680 enough to garner that same support? And I think that 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.520 they still got some work to do. I don't think 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:09.880 it's over. I think that there's still a possibility. But 0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:13.360 I will tell you, after seeing what we witnessed today 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:15.680 and what we've been witnessing over the last several days, 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.000 it's really tough. And I don't want to make it 0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:25.640 seem to our listeners like we don't carefully think, calculate, debate, 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:29.480 analyze every aspect of this every time we sit down, 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.440 you know, Like I don't think that it would be 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:36.239 honest for me to say I've never thought about who 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.480 the hell else could run? Like that really has been 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:42.719 my thought, Like why are why? How do we get 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:45.319 stuck here? This election feels like to me, y'all are 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:47.960 gonna laugh because I wasn't even registered yet. But when 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:51.040 I was in the third grade, Michael Dukakis was running 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:54.799 George H. W. Bush, and I went to vote with 0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:58.600 my parents every election. And I remember that year we 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.960 had like a foe election in the third grade and 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:03.680 that was the one time I went to the polls 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:05.319 with my parents and I was like, I really am 0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:07.920 not excited about this. I was like, what happened to 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:11.000 Jesse Jackson? Like where do you go? And I feel 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:13.200 that in the same way. Now, it's like, this is 0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:16.320 not what I signed up for. When I think about 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:21.360 how elated I was to champion Kamala Harris being the 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:25.080 vice president on this ticket, this is not what I expected. 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.319 I would like to hear so much more from her. 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:30.239 I would. 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:34.080 I know that she is challenging this president to do 0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:36.919 something different. I want to see that challenge. I don't 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:41.799 think that when you are in partnership, whether it's in 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.520 a marriage, it's at your church home, it's on a 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.440 board of a corporation, it's you know, nonprofit leaders, I 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:51.320 don't care where you are, it is okay to disagree, 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.080 and I think sometimes that is what makes partnership stronger. 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:55.920 I want to see that. I feel like I'm all 0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.160 over the place. But my point is I am not 0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:00.480 happy right now, and that is my true and I 0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:02.279 know that in some ways there are folks who are 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.040 going to watch this and feel like I'm being remarkably irresponsible. 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.520 To me at this point, I feel like. 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.759 What would be remarkably irresponsible is to pretend like this 0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:14.520 isn't a very challenging calculation to make right now. This 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.000 is hard, it's not easy, and I still know where 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.600 my vote is going in the fall, it is with 0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:24.560 the Biden Harris ticket, unless there's some crazy thing that happens, happens. 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.600 At the convention and somebody else becomes is on the ticket. 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:29.240 But I am not voting for Donald Trump. 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.799 Remember he's still the guy that was in charge of 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:35.000 the Muslim band and put Jared Kushner over Israeli relations. 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:37.080 So there's that that's real. 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:43.040 You know, I agree, given the clips from RAFA and 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:46.799 what we talked about just in this episode, I don't 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:52.920 want to dismiss anybody. And there hesitant resistance toward voting 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.680 for an administration where on an issue in particular you 0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:02.240 feel heart wrenched about and and just utterly destroyed inside. 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.359 And folks don't have to look like you in order 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:09.920 for you to have that emotional reaction to just senseless 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:15.839 and aimless killing. But I approach voting like I do 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:20.560 anything I would do strategically. You know, it used to 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:23.640 be said that you plan your work, and you work 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:29.040 your plan with a protest vote, with choosing to sit 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:34.080 on the couch those our lives don't afford us the 0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:38.200 emotional reaction of I'm just gonna sit it out and 0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:43.280 let what happened happens because what happened happens. What happened 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:46.160 to you and to your family and the people you 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:48.320 care about in the neighborhood you live in, and the 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:51.920 folks who you grew up with, your mother, your father, 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:56.880 your siblings, your children. There are higher stakes here. And 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.480 I'm just so glad that we didn't have protesters in 0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:02.360 the Midnight eighteen in the late nineteen fifties and early 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:07.080 sixties who said we didn't get our way politically or otherwise, 0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:09.520 and so we're going to sit home. No, when they 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:11.560 decided they were going to sit home, it was strategic. 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:16.680 They sat home to extract something from the system that 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:19.400 under normal conditions, the system wasn't rendering to them. And 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.560 they didn't do that at the ballot box. They did 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.400 that when they came to sitting outside of the bus 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.560 or walking next to the bus and not on it 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.360 until we could extract what we needed from that system. 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:33.880 That was strategic, that was thoughtful, and it yielded over 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:37.480 time the response that we know we needed. We require 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.320 when you go to a job and you're depending on 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:42.880 that job for a wage to take home to take 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:45.160 care of yourself and your family, just because you had 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.960 a bad day and a bad experience. By and large, 0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:50.840 most of us just don't quit that day. If we 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:54.040 even think about quitting, we start to lay a plan. 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.439 We started to talk to some people and figure out, well, 0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:58.320 so I can go. And when you go in to 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.640 lay that Trump Trump card down, no pun intended, I'm 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:05.400 out of here. I quit. You got another plan in 0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:08.520 place to take care of yourself and your family. It's strategic, 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:12.800 it's thoughtful, it's it's planning your work and working your plan. 0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:17.400 And so know, there is not some heart you know, 0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:22.960 heartfelt story that I can offer to say, compromise on 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:25.200 your value on this issue so that you can win 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:30.360 temperamentally on this one. But unfortunately politics and the science 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:33.560 of it and the way elections work, certainly in this 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:36.280 country is it's usually a dichotomy. One of the two 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:39.520 people was going to win. And when you size them up, 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.000 if one is on a whole nother plan in universe, 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:46.840 bad that ought to make it up for you right 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:48.680 then and there. So we may not be able to 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:50.440 go to our families this time and say hope and 0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:53.600 change and things are going to be radically you know different. 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:55.880 You know, as a result, of this. But guess what, 0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:59.720 Joe Biden doesn't cause my blood pressure to rise. He 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.560 you know, the excitement isn't you know? There? But I 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:04.720 tell you I don't have I have not always been 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:07.000 excited about the choices I've had to make. I've had 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:11.000 to make them anyway, and so in this case, I 1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:12.880 just think this is this is one of those places 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:16.360 where we're going to have to do what needs to 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:21.640 be done because the situation makes it necessary, and in 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:24.080 this case, the situation makes it necessary for me. 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:26.800 I just have a quick question for you, because I 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:27.520 know we're way over. 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:33.280 If you put yourselves in the shoes of the Palestinian people. 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:37.919 I'm thinking about Linda, I'm thinking about Rashida, who both 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:44.600 still have family members there, and it was our people killed, 1:00:44.920 --> 1:00:50.800 you know, to the tune of over forty thousand. Where 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.880 do you think you would land? Yeah, that was the 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:56.480 point I just made. If they were killing people like me, 1:00:56.920 --> 1:01:00.160 I wouldn't be able to vote. So I understand completely 1:01:01.240 --> 1:01:06.880 youresent referencing Linda Sarsauer, who's an activist in Congressman Rashida 1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:10.120 Telib from Michigan, who was instituted in the protest vote 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:13.120 during the primary and she's made comments like we're not 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:14.960 going to forget this in November. 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:16.560 It's hard for me. 1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:21.040 I could never ask somebody who is personally impacted, and 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:25.200 these are you know, community members and friends and family, 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:29.280 it would be incredibly hard. I could not vote for 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:33.680 this administration. I could not, and I understand that Trump 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:38.520 is a much worse scenario. But if it's my family 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:40.720 and my people's people who look like me, I don't 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.040 think i'd be able to which I don't know what 1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:46.280 that says about me or us or other people who 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:50.400 feel that way. Because I have empathy and I'm in 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:55.920 solidarity with the Palestinian people who are being slaughtered. I 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:58.360 am not willing at this point to not vote for 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:01.400 the Biden administration just because I am terribly fearful it's 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:04.240 not my people right now. Under a Trump administration, it 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:06.520 was my people, and it very well could be my 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:10.360 people again. So that's why I'm voting for the Biden 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:11.160 Here is to get. 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.840 I couldn't guilt anybody on that, Angela giving your setup, 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:18.680 but I think we all have a role to play. 1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:22.200 And just like in relationships, some days we fifty to 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:27.400 fifty and other days we're seventy thirty and some days 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:30.160 we ninety ten. And I guess what that means for 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:32.520 the rest of us who aren't at the intersection of 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.160 the impact in quite the same way as somebody who's 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.320 got a family member, friend, relative who's being slaughter right now, 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:40.680 I think we have to lean in and maybe this 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:43.960 requires your ninety ten. Maybe you got to show up 1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:46.080 for that person who cannot in good conscience do it 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:51.120 for themselves, because we know that the outcome could be 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:54.840 not could would be worse. Angelae, you referenced it. Trump's 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:59.000 first attack in office was against Muslim countries. Yeah, what 1:02:59.120 --> 1:03:02.880 do you think he would do? Carpet bomb? Of course? 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:05.160 And do you think he'd have sour words for nothing? Now? Who? 1:03:05.320 --> 1:03:07.000 I don't think so so. But but that's not an 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:10.160 argument that I think could be made necessarily to a 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.520 person whose family sits at the intersection. 1:03:12.640 --> 1:03:14.840 I'm saying, it's like, how do you how do you 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:17.240 tell them about it? If when right now is the present? 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:20.840 And then what is our obligation then to these folks 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:23.840 who were saying, like, Okay, well I would move different 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:25.800 if these were I'm not saying everybody's saying that, but 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:27.240 I kind of feel like that too. I would move 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:30.880 different if this was my people. If I'm not moving 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:33.840 different because it's not my people, then what is my 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:38.360 obligation to my friends who I'm allegedly standing in solidarity with? 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:41.520 Do I push this administration harder? Have I done all 1:03:41.560 --> 1:03:44.400 I can to advocate for what is right? And I 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:47.120 would tell you the answers no? So what am I doing? 1:03:47.560 --> 1:03:48.440 If I? If I? 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:52.320 If I'm saying ultimately in November, I know that we've 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:55.960 you know, this country slaughtered thousands of people who look 1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:57.720 like you, including your family members. 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.120 But I need you to fall in line. 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:02.240 And don't get out of line in November and cast 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:02.840 that ballot. 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:04.560 What am I going to do to make it easier 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.320 for them to cast that ballot? And I haven't done that. 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:08.400 I haven't done that. 1:04:08.520 --> 1:04:10.640 I'm just saying I have not done that. That is 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:14.120 not okay? Would I need to what would I need 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:16.200 to hear to be okay with that? And I don't 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:18.360 know what it is. I'm not trying to get people 1:04:18.360 --> 1:04:20.800 to sit at home. What I'm really trying to do, 1:04:20.880 --> 1:04:27.040 because people get confused sometimes, is stretch us. Our political engagement. 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:31.040 Our activism has to go beyond the ballot box. If 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:34.520 it doesn't, fewer and fewer and fewer people will show 1:04:34.640 --> 1:04:35.720 up to the ballot box. 1:04:35.760 --> 1:04:39.120 Our obligation to our fellow citizens and. 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:42.720 These people who we love is to make sure that 1:04:42.840 --> 1:04:45.920 it is not just palatable for them. It's not just tolerable. 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:48.480 It's not just they hold their nose and vote. It 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:51.840 should be something that is that they do exuberantly, and 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:55.080 right now they can't because their lives are literally on 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:58.160 the line. They're not casting a vote for survival. They're 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:02.960 casting a vote for a less li less genocide. Come on, y'all, 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:05.160 like we got we owe them better than that. Like, 1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:07.760 what can we do to push this administration to say 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:09.880 it's not this is not sufficient. 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:13.400 Your red line is up, Fix your red line, move it. 1:05:13.880 --> 1:05:16.440 Because what you're doing if it were, if the shoe 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:19.080 was on the other foot, if it was thirty thousand 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:24.200 people Israeli's killed, there would be a World War three 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:25.120 starting right now. 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:27.520 True, So what are we doing. 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:29.960 We can't keep saying that there's no value on the 1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:33.080 lives lost and there's and then do something completely It's 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:36.040 not okay. I just morally I'm not okay with it. 1:05:36.200 --> 1:05:38.000 So I want to figure out what we can do 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:41.360 to push this administration to do right by these folks, 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:42.680 because right now it's wrong. 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:47.880 It's wrong, Angela. I just think we may talk about 1:05:48.280 --> 1:05:52.320 voting as the only layer of innervision and protection, but 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:56.280 it's not. There's several guess what, there's a convention coming 1:05:56.320 --> 1:05:58.360 this summer. Shut that bitch down. 1:05:58.880 --> 1:05:59.960 Yeah, you get. 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:01.040 No houses, you don't. 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:05.320 How let's go back to Chicago protests? You mean literally 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:10.360 and it will be in Chicago protest ja. Yeah. Yeah. 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:12.000 All I'm saying is there are a lot of ways 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:15.760 to impact upon the process. I consider the option of 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:20.200 not voting, the nuclear option, and guess what, sometimes there 1:06:20.280 --> 1:06:23.800 is in case of emergency break lass and then there's that. 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:27.880 But I can't also, in good conscience, knowing that elections 1:06:27.920 --> 1:06:35.400 have have consequences, advise anybody who cares about the plight 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:38.800 of the Palestinian people and what's happening to sit on 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:43.840 the couch. Yeah, ok, either just that doesn't work. 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:48.240 There's the thing is there keeps being for those who 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:53.000 are more politically astute, there keeps being this conversation about 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:55.880 just sitting out the election, and that's irresponsible because there 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:58.680 are four five, six, seven, eight, nine ten steps we 1:06:58.680 --> 1:07:01.240 can take before that. And I think that it would 1:07:01.280 --> 1:07:03.760 be really smart for us, And maybe it's another podcast 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:06.120 because I know we're so over, but it would be 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:07.840 really smart for us to talk about what some of 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:10.520 those options are. Is there a letter writing campaign to 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:13.720 the Biden administration? Can you call on your members of 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:15.920 Congress to sit down and have a real meeting, have 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:17.760 Biden come to the hill and talk about what his 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:20.480 strategy is, and really give him what is the new 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:22.960 red line? What should the line be? It should be 1:07:23.040 --> 1:07:25.840 not another live loss. Is that something that. 1:07:25.760 --> 1:07:29.120 We should be helping to orchestrate on this podcast? 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:31.400 This is he said it was a red line if 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:34.360 it was American lives. Well, we saw what happened with 1:07:34.480 --> 1:07:37.080 Jose Andres and that wasn't a red line. 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:40.040 The red line is going to keep moving, That's my point. 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:42.360 And so if the red line keeps moving, then is 1:07:42.400 --> 1:07:44.240 it up to the voter to say, no, this is 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:47.640 our red line. You better not cross this red line. 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:50.240 And that is what I'm really asking. Maybe that is 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:52.920 what we need to show because these again, these kids, 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:57.320 they will their graduation on the line, and there whether 1:07:57.400 --> 1:07:59.720 or not they're suspended from school. People are laying their 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:02.919 jobs on the line. Folks are literally being ostracized because 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:06.040 of taking these positions. But this is a human rights issue. 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:09.240 And how dare we have another MLK holiday where we're 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:11.920 quoting this man and act like this isn't everything that 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:14.600 he stood for. And to your point, Andrew, Chicago is 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:16.880 a great place, but there are a number of steps 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:19.439 that could be taken in terms of organizing people and 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:21.360 bodies even before that point. 1:08:21.400 --> 1:08:24.760 But it's a great place before November. We have a 1:08:24.760 --> 1:08:26.800 whole summer to figure this out, and we need to 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:29.200 figure it out this summer. I really do believe that. 1:08:29.240 --> 1:08:30.800 I agree with you. I agree with you. I will 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:32.680 just say, doctor King never ever told any about it 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:36.360 not to vote right and in the fight for our humanity, 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:39.000 in the fight for us to be seen as human, 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.919 and I think the same fight it can be attributed 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:47.040 here to see my life as valuable. Yeah, there were 1:08:47.080 --> 1:08:51.559 steps that were taken in much sacrifice, but never was 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:54.920 it an option to sit out the election. 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:59.840 In fact, I hope nobody hears me saying that. How 1:08:59.920 --> 1:09:01.760 was I saying I hope nobody hears me saying that 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:02.160 I did not. 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:06.160 No, I'm not attributing that to you. That's not no, no, no, 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:09.320 I'm not attributing that to you. I'm simply saying no, no, 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:11.880 in the myriad of things that can be done, I'm 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:16.439 simply saying that if we nothing, Tiffany, you said in 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:19.559 this episode, nothing new is ever really new, right, It's 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:22.519 been done before. And all I'm saying is, let's reflect 1:09:22.560 --> 1:09:27.800 on the successful movements of our past as instruction as 1:09:27.880 --> 1:09:30.240 guidance for what could be done to help move us 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:33.960 along on this one. Progress can be had, I believe that. 1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:40.200 But but consider voting and not voting as a nuclear option. 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:43.439 It is not a first place of resource for people 1:09:43.439 --> 1:09:46.439 who frankly are co opting what is a tragic moment 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:50.080 in history as an excuse to be lazy. Yeah, that 1:09:50.120 --> 1:09:52.880 ain't everybody, But I hear folks who don't show up 1:09:52.920 --> 1:09:56.880 for nothing out here talking about not voting and and 1:09:57.280 --> 1:10:01.559 and and attributing certain things. Is any excuse when it 1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:03.880 wasn't your plan to get out there anyway? Don't co 1:10:03.960 --> 1:10:08.800 opt this moment for some bull Yeah, y'all, I know 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:11.519 it deserves a lot more conversation, and I think I 1:10:11.560 --> 1:10:14.080 appreciate us all leaning in to try to participate in 1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:17.160 this one, and ANGELI accept your challenging us thinking through 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:20.040 what role we might be able to play, you know, 1:10:20.120 --> 1:10:22.080 going forward. Let's take a break and when we come back, 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:27.519 we'll talk about what our admonishments might be to the listeners. 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:38.240 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, y'all. 1:10:38.280 --> 1:10:42.040 It wouldn't be native Lampard if we didn't conclude today's episode, 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:44.960 as heavy as it may have been, with our calls 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.800 to action for what we could do right where we 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.559 are to make a difference. Angela, you want to go first. 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:51.840 Sure. 1:10:52.000 --> 1:10:55.040 I just want to first tell you all thank you 1:10:55.680 --> 1:11:00.920 tiff and Andrew, because it's been a really heavy, long 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:01.679 few weeks. 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:05.320 Y'all have dealt with me with two or three hours 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:06.720 of sleep and grouchiness. 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:07.080 Nick. 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:09.400 I was grouchy like our producer Nick at one time, 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:10.120 but every day. 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:13.719 And I just want to shout out our dear sister 1:11:14.320 --> 1:11:18.680 Marilyn Moseby, whose grandmother's in hospice care right now. As 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:22.479 you all know, the government spent millions of taxpayer dollars 1:11:22.520 --> 1:11:25.960 to give her an ankle bracelet that's not from Tiffany's, 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:29.559 to have her on home confinement basically with a lot 1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:33.839 of latitude, but I believe that that is still not freedom. 1:11:33.880 --> 1:11:36.080 And when you haven't broken the law and you have 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:40.640 been targeted, you probably shouldn't be confined in that way. So, 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:44.080 even though some folks are curious about why we're still 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:48.559 pushing for Maryland's freedom her like complete liberation, and still 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:52.120 pushing for a complete and full presidential pardon, this is 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:55.519 the reason why she did not break the law. And 1:11:55.600 --> 1:12:00.000 despite how the government has tried to paint that inaccuracy 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:03.480 and press releases from the Department of Justice at nauseum 1:12:03.840 --> 1:12:05.719 and even in this trial, I hope you will still 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:08.320 stand with us. We are closer to one hundred thousand 1:12:08.920 --> 1:12:12.519 signatures on the petition. Shout out again to Tiff and 1:12:12.520 --> 1:12:15.920 Andrew for allowing us to hold that petition with color 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:17.920 of change. But I would love for you all to 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:20.439 continue to sign on, continue to call the White House 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:24.160 and ask when that pardon will happen again. This is 1:12:24.200 --> 1:12:27.479 one of those things that this administration can do to 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:31.439 demonstrate that it stands with black folks overall, and folks 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.639 who work to ensure that the justice system is far 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:37.360 more balanced, and Maryland is certainly one of those champions 1:12:37.400 --> 1:12:39.960 for us. So that is my ask. Go to Justice 1:12:39.960 --> 1:12:42.960 for Maryland moosb dot com dot today and sign that petition. 1:12:43.479 --> 1:12:46.400 Love that. Thank you Angela, tiff what you got? 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:48.400 I mean in essence of time, because they're so over. 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:50.840 I defer to Angela's call to action and whatever you're 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:53.719 about to give us, Andrew, I say, follow whatever Andrew 1:12:53.720 --> 1:12:54.720 and Angela say this. 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:59.000 Week's and let's let's put that in marble, because Tiffan 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:05.280 ain't ever by dev to follow us. No, of course 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:10.000 I'm jesting, but but honestly, all praise and thanks to 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:14.040 you Angela for the champions work that you did and 1:13:14.080 --> 1:13:18.680 picking this and wrangling it. Everybody needs a friend like 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:23.800 you and my CTA. Y'all actually change from what I 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:27.080 thought when we started and where it ends is. I 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:31.440 would like y'all to help us think through offering suggestions 1:13:31.800 --> 1:13:35.960 around strategies that we might pursue to get an administration 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:38.080 that we voted for to do what we want them 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:42.840 to do, short of pulling the nuclear option of not voting. So, 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.599 if you've got an idea, a suggestion, a thought, put 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:48.439 it in our feed our comments, do a video. What 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:51.240 are the options you would consider before you would quit 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:54.240 your job? What are the options you would consider before 1:13:54.600 --> 1:13:59.840 you would in significant ways shift your family and re 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:04.000 action to a thing an action of something. Just give 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:07.720 us your ideas for what we as a community could 1:14:07.760 --> 1:14:11.160 consider doing before we decide to sit in an election house. 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:16.000 Before we in the show, I want to remind everyone 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:19.040 to leave us a review and subscribe to Native Lamp Pod. 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:24.120 We're available on all platforms and of course YouTube where 1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:27.120 you can see us. New episodes drop every Thursday. You 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:29.960 can also follow us on social media. We are at 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:34.240 Angela Rae, Tiffany cross In, Andrew Gillim and we just 1:14:34.280 --> 1:14:37.200 want to say welcome home everybody. There are one hundred 1:14:37.320 --> 1:14:41.080 and fifty nine days until election day. 1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:43.680 Thank you for joining the Natives. 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