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Speaker 1: On today's episode, y'all, the jury is out as of
Speaker 1: time of recording. The jury has been uh admonished by
Speaker 1: the judge. To get to the deliberating, We're also going
Speaker 1: to go inside the Democratic Party establishment. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about panic setting in spreading throughout many high level
Speaker 1: Democratic officials who are, to put it lightly, a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous about November. We're going to talk about what
Speaker 1: these poll numbers mean at this point. Then we'll jump
Speaker 1: into the Middle East and talk about what's happening in Gaza.
Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnya, who has vowed to continue
Speaker 1: the Israeli assault on the city of Rafa, despite despite
Speaker 1: repeated admonishments from countries stretching worldwide, and also despite horrific
Speaker 1: bombing of citizens designated safe zones and increasing condemnation, as
Speaker 1: we said, from the global community. We'll hear what the
Speaker 1: administration has to say about that, and we want to
Speaker 1: talk to you directly, our audience about a question, comment,
Speaker 1: observation that's been coming our way in our chats and
Speaker 1: conversations and just the general mood of what we've been feeling,
Speaker 1: and that is, how do you decide who to vote
Speaker 1: for when both presidential candidates I don't know kindes seem
Speaker 1: or maybe a better and fair way to put that is,
Speaker 1: maybe you've decided that your life won't be changed by
Speaker 1: either way of the outcome. And we want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about how we talk to each other, our family,
Speaker 1: our friends and loved ones around this upcoming presidential race.
Speaker 1: We'll give our best input thoughts and you hear us
Speaker 1: think out loud around how it is we're approaching this
Speaker 1: upcoming November election. Stay tuned is going to be a
Speaker 1: great show, everybody, So, y'all, we want to begin today's
Speaker 1: conversation with a quick update on what's happening in the
Speaker 1: Trump trials, And I almost Tiffany and Angela hesitate to
Speaker 1: say trials because we've only seen one, and I'm actually
Speaker 1: not convinced we're going to see many more. There won't
Speaker 1: be another one before election day. Many of us have
Speaker 1: been tuned into the coverage and the chiron reading by
Speaker 1: various hosts on television or or in various newspapers, and
Speaker 1: we've reached a culmination point. In fact, Tiffany in angel
Speaker 1: I was telling someone before the show began, how I
Speaker 1: don't know tense. I felt not just sort of I've
Speaker 1: been on the side of of sort of jury, being out,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about my own fate, but this seems
Speaker 1: to me to be so much more consequential, this jury,
Speaker 1: what it may come back with. I don't want to
Speaker 1: have us, you know, percolate necessarily on what do we
Speaker 1: think the jury will decide. But my question for the
Speaker 1: two of you, and really for our audiences, have we
Speaker 1: really given thought to what happens politically as a political
Speaker 1: outflow from any decision made this jury? And I think
Speaker 1: what we mean by any is in the range of
Speaker 1: possibilities there can be an acquittal outright Obviously, there can
Speaker 1: be a hung jury, and there can be convictions at
Speaker 1: various levels of the charges that have been bought against
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Now I got I can imagine that if
Speaker 1: you're Trump, You're gonna spewer this, you know, skewer the system,
Speaker 1: no matter what the outcome. I don't know how Biden
Speaker 1: plans to respond, and I'm not as concerned about that.
Speaker 1: I'm mostly concerned around whether or not you think there
Speaker 1: will be a lasting consequence of the verdict as we
Speaker 1: think about this race in November. If Trump's let off,
Speaker 1: if he has a conviction, do y'all think it matters
Speaker 1: toward November?
Speaker 5: Okay, Tiff is looking because she doesn't like to talk abound.
Speaker 5: I was letting you speak first because my answer is
Speaker 5: on something else.
Speaker 4: I want rather y'all weigh in, and then I'll weigh in. Okay.
Speaker 5: So you know, I think this is really fascinating to me.
Speaker 5: One because there are so many indictments at play here.
Speaker 5: This is a thirty four if you remember, Alvin Bragg
Speaker 5: wrote out thirty four indictments against the former president last April,
Speaker 5: and this is now what the jury has to consider.
Speaker 5: The thing that's been frustrating for me in some ways
Speaker 5: is I'm someone who I'm not an auditory learner. I
Speaker 5: am an igates and an igates kind of learner. So
Speaker 5: I wanted to see this trial, which we couldn't really see.
Speaker 5: I think the other thing that I'll say is I
Speaker 5: was telling you all earlier on our pre pro call
Speaker 5: that I really think that the prosecution did an interesting
Speaker 5: thing before the jury went out for deliberations and re
Speaker 5: enacting the call between Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump's security guard,
Speaker 5: and Donald Trump himself to demonstrate how long a minute
Speaker 5: in thirty six seconds is right.
Speaker 4: I don't know if.
Speaker 5: That creativity gets them where they need to be in
Speaker 5: this thirty four.
Speaker 4: These thirty four counts. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I haven't paid close enough attention to the trial. But
Speaker 5: here's what I do know. I do know that Donald
Speaker 5: Trump has a rabbit base. I do know that there
Speaker 5: are folks who want to believe that he is someone
Speaker 5: who is taking on the justice system, and the system
Speaker 5: is out to get him, especially because he's painted this
Speaker 5: lie so well, and his folks believe that. You know,
Speaker 5: they had to stop the still, even if it meant
Speaker 5: wiping shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk, pardon my French, but
Speaker 5: that is indeed what happened. And so I think that
Speaker 5: the only thing that can happen from this trial is
Speaker 5: that his base grows increasingly more rabbit. I think that
Speaker 5: if he is found not guilty, they're gonna think that
Speaker 5: he's the people's champ and Rocky on the steps in Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: If he's found guilty, they're gonna, you know, be rabbit
Speaker 5: again about why this system took him on and why
Speaker 5: it's so patently unfair, you know. And then the last
Speaker 5: thing that I'll say is I think it's very interesting
Speaker 5: too that one of the arguments from the defense has been, Hey,
Speaker 5: this is someone who wasn't trying to sway an election
Speaker 5: or what the voters knew. He was merely doing this
Speaker 5: to keep it from his family, right, And if we
Speaker 5: take Donald Trump out of the equation, that's actually a
Speaker 5: very compelling argument. I don't ever want to give his
Speaker 5: team credit for much, but I think out of all
Speaker 5: the lawyers he's been through, he'dn't been through he ran
Speaker 5: through some lawyers.
Speaker 4: That was a compelling piece for me. And so we'll see.
Speaker 1: He's seen with his family or wife. I mean.
Speaker 4: Listen, these people don't care.
Speaker 5: They think Malayna fly and you know, he got kids
Speaker 5: from all his baby mamas and he's trying to keep
Speaker 5: it from all them because they don't want them to
Speaker 5: be more upset. Who knows, But I'm just telling you,
Speaker 5: when you love somebody and when you're a fan of
Speaker 5: someone and you are like I said, read, you don't
Speaker 5: figure it out. And so that's the real question. What
Speaker 5: about the rest of the folks on the fringe? Can
Speaker 5: they also write it off? Will they also write it up?
Speaker 5: Or were the facts? Will the facts sway them in
Speaker 5: this case?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I think that's because Malanya has been so absent. I mean,
Speaker 5: you saw tweetledd and tweedled dumb show up. You know,
Speaker 5: with their their like we are the most loyal to
Speaker 5: their father.
Speaker 4: Who are they? I don't think timpany.
Speaker 5: I don't think it was Laura Trump, Don Junior and
Speaker 5: Eric That's who I saw.
Speaker 4: If you saw something different, maybe saw something different. But
Speaker 4: who which one was tweetledd and which one tweet.
Speaker 5: Tweetled d is Don tweetled Dom and Eric Trump? Everybody
Speaker 5: knows that, Okay.
Speaker 1: I used to say, and I'm not advocating violence. But
Speaker 1: I used to say they were so punishable. They used
Speaker 1: to what I was. I was like, man, these guys
Speaker 1: are so punishable.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't when it's a universal belief. But anyway,
Speaker 5: this is this is my my bigger point, because I
Speaker 5: have not been caught up in the minutia of the
Speaker 5: trial either. I kind of, you know, one of for
Speaker 5: when it comes to things Donald Trump, because I always
Speaker 5: say it's like catching confetti trying to keep up with it.
Speaker 5: I am more of a headline reader just to give
Speaker 5: and you know, like, oh, okay, I see what's happening
Speaker 5: from a macro perspective, not a micro perspective. I think
Speaker 5: the bigger challenge here with me is as Donald Trump
Speaker 5: has been on this trial, his base has not gotten smaller.
Speaker 5: There were not people to walk away from them, as
Speaker 5: completely predicted. Nimroda has now said she will vote for
Speaker 5: Donald Trump. If you were surprised by any of this,
Speaker 5: you have not been paying attention.
Speaker 4: I think it is a continuation.
Speaker 5: Of the erosion in the judicial system. No matter what
Speaker 5: side of the divide you occupy, we have lost faith
Speaker 5: in the judiciary. It's not lost on me that this
Speaker 5: is happening at the same time as the news come
Speaker 5: out has come out around Samuel Alito, just as Samuel
Speaker 5: Alito and his wife apparently looked at Genny Thomas and say,
Speaker 5: hold my beer, let me get into this. And it
Speaker 5: just it makes me look at no matter what happens,
Speaker 5: whatever this outcome is with this trial, the it's like
Speaker 5: the belief and our functions are are the cornerstones of
Speaker 5: our democracy are eroding over time. This is the first
Speaker 5: time something like this has happened. I'll remember, you know.
Speaker 5: I try to say, like here's something that was happening
Speaker 5: thirty years ago or one hundred years ago, to show
Speaker 5: that history is cyclical. Nothing's new under the sun. So
Speaker 5: the same thing did happen with Richard Nixon. You know,
Speaker 5: when his trial was out, it was one thing that
Speaker 5: was being televised. And now it just seems to me,
Speaker 5: Angela Andrew, that we have normalized this maniac and his
Speaker 5: myriad of trials and tribulations that he has brought to
Speaker 5: the American people and it hasn't had any impact, Like
Speaker 5: it just has done nothing to his pulling nothing. And
Speaker 5: you know, I've said this to you guys privately, but
Speaker 5: I'll say it publicly because I feel like there are
Speaker 5: so many other people who may feel this way. I'm
Speaker 5: getting increasingly exhausted, and it is personally outrageous that so
Speaker 5: many people out there would rather have a dumb white
Speaker 5: person run this country instead of a smart black person
Speaker 5: because racism runs that deep. And two that there are
Speaker 5: over seventy five million people who are willing to overlook
Speaker 5: everything disgusting about this man because they have been brainwashed.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what's going to happen in this
Speaker 4: trial washed well.
Speaker 1: Brainwashed or no, no, no, Tiffany, I was just gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: put push you on that which is brainwashed. Or have
Speaker 1: they decided from day zero that the uniting factor between
Speaker 1: all of them has to do with their their need,
Speaker 1: their desire, their desperation to hold onto power. When you
Speaker 1: make this, when you make the deal with the devil, right,
Speaker 1: you take all the bad that comes with it because
Speaker 1: what made you bedfellows will put you in this together.
Speaker 1: Is this common, unassailable mission to in this case, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, keep hold on to at any cost power
Speaker 1: in the wake of a changing demographic, a changing American electorate.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's it's not all white people, you know, Like when
Speaker 5: we were in Miami, I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: Guys, power doesn't There was a lot of.
Speaker 5: At the airport. There were so many Maga hats, Maga
Speaker 5: T shirts. And I remember in Washington, d C. This
Speaker 5: was maybe four years ago, and somebody was walking down
Speaker 5: U Street, which is a historically black neighborhood, with a
Speaker 5: Maga hat and a Maga T shirt on, and I
Speaker 5: legit was concerned for this man's wellbeing. Some I'm like,
Speaker 5: you got some balls to walk around and people were
Speaker 5: definitely looking but kind of you know, skipping past him.
Speaker 5: He wasn't comfortable.
Speaker 4: Not so in Florida like there, I also there are
Speaker 4: a lot of hell.
Speaker 5: Uc k Mega teacher. I would have been uncomfortable. I
Speaker 5: would have warned it, but I would have been uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: I would have been in the minority in Florida. And
Speaker 5: these are Latino people who are overwhelmingly in Miami. I
Speaker 5: saw Latino people, So to me, it is brainwashed if
Speaker 5: you are willing to vote for someone who is openly
Speaker 5: saying things about your community and you personally. I mean,
Speaker 5: he gave Lindsay Graham your cell phone number to everybody,
Speaker 5: and Lindsey Graham said, but I love you. He dragged
Speaker 5: Nicky Haley across all kinds of stages. He said, but
Speaker 5: I'm voting for you, So I to me, that's brainwashed.
Speaker 1: You got the last time, Angela, you got the last
Speaker 1: comment on this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think to this point, we're starting to see some
Speaker 5: changes even in something called the polls this early. So
Speaker 5: on that point, I think it's a great point moment
Speaker 5: to switch gears and see what's happening with these battlegrounds
Speaker 5: or why democrats? Is democrats talking about the party and
Speaker 5: the changing the demographics?
Speaker 4: You say democrats?
Speaker 6: I was with you.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Tip for that. Save way to go Democrats.
Speaker 5: Let me tell you this, I don't think Democrats were
Speaker 5: included in these polls.
Speaker 4: Talk to us about it, Andrew.
Speaker 1: Asa, thank you for that as always keeping us on track.
Speaker 1: So your latest polling, some of y'all have may may
Speaker 1: be seeing articles and your local papers, those of us
Speaker 1: who national papers, but it's everywhere, y'all. Folks are getting nervous,
Speaker 1: and obviously I think it's a function of the fact
Speaker 1: that hell, we're now past Memorial Day and we're closer
Speaker 1: to the election day. But from the Hill seven hundred
Speaker 1: and twelve polls Trump across battleground states, leading Biden forty
Speaker 1: six and a half to Biden's forty five and a half.
Speaker 1: Biden's overall approval rating this month tied for the lowest
Speaker 1: rating and the history of his presidency. Y'all, Biden's approval
Speaker 1: rate is forty point seven percent around this time and
Speaker 1: his campaign and presidential term in May of twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: Obama's approval rating set it around forty seven percent. So
Speaker 1: the polling that we just referenced are obviously of some
Speaker 1: of the key battleground states and some of the national
Speaker 1: polls of registered voters, and in some cases actually in
Speaker 1: fewer cases if you look at the cross tabs, less
Speaker 1: likely voters, which I think is interesting and we can
Speaker 1: talk about it obviously on the other side of this piece,
Speaker 1: But there is a difference between registered and likely. There
Speaker 1: is also interesting I don't know if y'all found this
Speaker 1: interesting or not from the political article Politico I'm sorry
Speaker 1: article that many of the top Democrats who gave comments
Speaker 1: on this, who reflected on what some of their personal
Speaker 1: experiences are with donors and other sort of experts in
Speaker 1: the field, is that they didn't want to be named.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be associated publicly with some of
Speaker 1: the trepidations that are happening, that are happening behind the scenes. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not dumb enough to think that we have the
Speaker 1: monopoly on the right answer, but I am curious to
Speaker 1: hear y'all's perspective on at this stage in the game,
Speaker 1: and I reference Obama's previous numbers just by way of comparison.
Speaker 1: Do we have something to be ringing the alarm bell about?
Speaker 1: And if so, is there anything Biden can say, do
Speaker 1: or calls to come into formation that will change where people,
Speaker 1: frankly are right now as it relates to humans administrative.
Speaker 5: I gotta say, every single time I hear a conversation
Speaker 5: about polls, every time I see one on outlets, every
Speaker 5: time I see an article, I immediately go me me, me, me, me, me,
Speaker 5: me me, because it just it's such an intant, it's
Speaker 5: boring enough to make me sleep.
Speaker 1: I just saw Snoopy for some reason show.
Speaker 5: It's such an inside the bell Way conversation, and the
Speaker 5: Beltway media is so incestuous that they every outlet you
Speaker 5: called the Hill political, all of these people they talk
Speaker 5: to each other for each other, about each other, And
Speaker 5: I think if we want to disrupt that that we
Speaker 5: have to stop putting so much emphasis there.
Speaker 4: Number one a week is an eternity.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's wrong? Do you think it's not? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: I mean I don't.
Speaker 5: I think campaigns can pour over polls. I don't understand
Speaker 5: the point in forcing it down the throats of voters
Speaker 5: and the American people. But again, this is how the
Speaker 5: Beltway media has penetrated this and in so many ways.
Speaker 5: I think, what does it matter to a person living
Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania who is you know, they feel a certain way,
Speaker 5: they have their issues that they're voting on. What does
Speaker 5: it matter to them?
Speaker 4: At this point?
Speaker 5: We have a nominee, we have a Democratic nominee, we
Speaker 5: have a Republican nominee. What does it matter how they're
Speaker 5: doing in the polls? To me, that's something for campaigns
Speaker 5: to worry about.
Speaker 1: Well, how can I just.
Speaker 5: Because I have I have a point I want to make.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, ask me the question because I want to
Speaker 5: make sure well.
Speaker 1: I My question is whether you agree with polling, don't
Speaker 1: agree with pole and put put sauce in it, don't
Speaker 1: At some point we got to have indications around whether
Speaker 1: or not this administration is moving on the right track,
Speaker 1: the wrong track, what we're facing, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to you, regardless of the instrument, do
Speaker 1: you believe that this calls for alarm?
Speaker 5: I mean, okay, So again, I would go back to
Speaker 5: the original point I was making. I think campaigns have
Speaker 5: to worry about that. I don't think that the American
Speaker 5: people have to consume that. I think that's something for
Speaker 5: consultants and the politicians themselves to worry about. I think
Speaker 5: for voters, what's more interesting and what's more to the
Speaker 5: point is this is where this candidate stands on this issue,
Speaker 5: and this is what this candidate is doing about this issue,
Speaker 5: and this is what's happening around these issues that impact
Speaker 5: us all. Number One, like I said, a week is
Speaker 5: an eternity in politics. So when you what happens is
Speaker 5: they just put out ooh Biden is doing bad in
Speaker 5: the polls, or ooh, Biden is up two points, or
Speaker 5: ooh Trump is up two points with this group, and no,
Speaker 5: like most people just do not have the curiosity about
Speaker 5: it enough to say, well, when was this poll taken?
Speaker 5: Who did they pull what's the margin of error? How
Speaker 5: did they pull Was this an online poll? Was this
Speaker 5: a poll where they were calling people's cell phones? Well,
Speaker 5: what kind of person's answering a cell phone number that
Speaker 5: they don't recognize? What were the questions asked? What was
Speaker 5: happening in the news cycle when this thing happened? It
Speaker 5: does nothing to inform people. It does nothing. The further
Speaker 5: the conversation, it is the same to me, echo chamber
Speaker 5: bs that we see all the time. And I just
Speaker 5: I don't think we should be talking about polling all
Speaker 5: the time. I mean, I know, I understand it's something
Speaker 5: that happened.
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't talked to no.
Speaker 5: Polling Okay, Well, the point I'm making is about media
Speaker 5: at large. It just doesn't inform people. So those are
Speaker 5: my thoughts on polling.
Speaker 1: So Angel, I'd be curious. I don't know if so
Speaker 1: if we move the conversation from one of the instruments
Speaker 1: of polling and rather one of what we are either
Speaker 1: lived experience experiencing from the people we're talking to in
Speaker 1: contact with. Is it a admission? Is it appropriate to
Speaker 1: say there ought to be alarm bills going off around
Speaker 1: the country everywhere? That not a Biden's campaign is in
Speaker 1: a terrible place, but that the democracy we think we
Speaker 1: might inherit post November might be radically different because of
Speaker 1: what the outcome of the election may be. If if, if, if,
Speaker 1: I'll admit not bury the lead. I'm worried. But if
Speaker 1: we are, if this is not cause for concern, tell
Speaker 1: us why we shouldn't be concerned around where Biden stands
Speaker 1: right now with the American electorate.
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's I think two things can be true.
Speaker 5: I think the first thing that I will acknowledge on
Speaker 5: on Tip's part, and that I will probably take a
Speaker 5: step further Again, y'all know I was raised activists, so
Speaker 5: I come here with full conspiracy theories than.
Speaker 4: Proud of it.
Speaker 5: I believe that polling has more to do with sounding
Speaker 5: alarms to get the typical white consultants on both sides
Speaker 5: of the aisle and everybody in between, more contracts like
Speaker 5: this is why you need to spend more dollars with
Speaker 5: us so we can send out more mailers. This is
Speaker 5: why you need to spend more money on these advis
Speaker 5: because look at your numbers. This is why you need
Speaker 5: to go after these Nikki Haley voters that are never
Speaker 5: coming to you because they are more valuable than everybody else.
Speaker 4: Like, I think it has more to do with sounding
Speaker 4: that alarm.
Speaker 5: That said, I do think that the information is worth dissecting,
Speaker 5: in part because I think that.
Speaker 4: If we're honest the.
Speaker 5: To Tip's point again, the news cycle does dictate how
Speaker 5: we feel about a candidate on the local, state, or
Speaker 5: federal level at any given moment. I really disagree with
Speaker 5: what this person did this week, and so therefore I
Speaker 5: don't really know how I feel about them. I'm not
Speaker 5: fooling with them. You might say that I have never
Speaker 5: been polled. I don't know if y'all been polled. I
Speaker 5: have never in my life been polled. So I also
Speaker 5: feel like, is my other conspiracy theory that sometimes these
Speaker 5: people be making this stuff up. I don't even know
Speaker 5: if they're really talking to human beings. I'm not talking
Speaker 5: about Terrence or Cornell, but I ain't talking about some
Speaker 5: of these other ones. I just don't know if they
Speaker 5: really actually end up talking to people. And you know,
Speaker 5: I didn't lost my other point. Oh, the last way
Speaker 5: Andrew was should no matter whether we're considering polls or not,
Speaker 5: there is there a reason for alarm right now. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: and I know we're gonna talk about it more in
Speaker 5: this show. Particularly given what's happening in Gaza, particularly given
Speaker 5: what's happening with aid to foreign aid to Ukraine and
Speaker 5: to end to Israel, and what is happening here, there
Speaker 5: is reason to feel alarm. I feel alarmed personally because I'm,
Speaker 5: as you guys know, like we have been pushing for
Speaker 5: this pardon for Marilyn Moseby, and I'm irritated that we
Speaker 5: haven't even heard really anything concrete from this administration.
Speaker 4: We have the right to push the administration on.
Speaker 5: Causes that we care deeply about, and when you're not
Speaker 5: responsive to those causes, yes, it pisss me off.
Speaker 4: Yes I'm frustrated. And so there, I don't want.
Speaker 5: To collapse these really large scale, macro level issues into
Speaker 5: something small. But that small thing is very meaningful to
Speaker 5: us in a major way. And so yes, there's a
Speaker 5: reason there's reason for alarm in in gazillion ways. But yes,
Speaker 5: I know h and I have a question about that
Speaker 5: later in the show, Angela, So audience stay tuned, because
Speaker 5: before we get off air, I want you to explain
Speaker 5: why a pardon is still needed for Marylyn even though
Speaker 5: she's not serving in a jail time. A lot of
Speaker 5: people have asked me about that, and I have questions
Speaker 5: about it too. But getting back to the subject of Poland,
Speaker 5: I do think that is like an interesting transition to
Speaker 5: talk about Gaza, because again, while it does not inform
Speaker 5: voters well, I think that this administration would be idiotic
Speaker 5: to not consider how their myopics thont stance on Israel
Speaker 5: has not had a direct impact on how on the
Speaker 5: enthusiasm levels of how people feel about voting this November,
Speaker 5: which is frightening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so polls be damned.
Speaker 5: I think you should, because I know people going to
Speaker 5: be mad at me for what I said, But I'm
Speaker 5: not trying to say polls on I don't like to
Speaker 5: name the podcast polls by.
Speaker 1: I think and and of all people who should should
Speaker 1: have issue with polling. I've been on both sides of
Speaker 1: those things, and I've seen where they come from. But
Speaker 1: I will say this, if where people stand and how
Speaker 1: they feel about a particular issue was derived from what
Speaker 1: they see on the news, then everybody's hair would be
Speaker 1: on fire about the Trump trials right now, except that
Speaker 1: it is hardly registering as it relates to the impact
Speaker 1: on where he stands with the American I think that's
Speaker 1: an interesting paradox. I also think it's interesting that, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the how do you say, the polling around
Speaker 1: where the American people prioritize what's happening internationally ranks far
Speaker 1: lower than almost any other issue on the planet. Israel, guys,
Speaker 1: that comes up only relationship to where American resources should
Speaker 1: be being spent, otherwise not in overwhelming outrage about what's
Speaker 1: happening on the ground. And yes, we're going to go
Speaker 1: to that topic. But I just the reason why. I
Speaker 1: think I'll offer my take here that the polling does
Speaker 1: matter in the context of what happens, not just toward
Speaker 1: the election's outcome, but also towards what steps the administration takes.
Speaker 1: How hard they go in the paint, for instance, on
Speaker 1: one side of this conflict. For another, whether or not
Speaker 1: they talk about wick in a public statement, or rather
Speaker 1: they put it in a byline of a press release,
Speaker 1: is in my opinion, in my experience, having run and
Speaker 1: also served, it is largely driven by the fact that
Speaker 1: if people aren't talking about it, don't appear concerned about it,
Speaker 1: And most inputs that give a politician their cues on
Speaker 1: that is from polling, is because they have learned from
Speaker 1: the American people that is not important, and therefore they
Speaker 1: don't talk about it. I have found with almost nearly
Speaker 1: every politician I've ever worked with, many of them don't
Speaker 1: necessarily drive new cycles with courageous positions on things. They
Speaker 1: drive new cycles in reaction to what they think people
Speaker 1: want to hear or what they think people are most
Speaker 1: interested in seeing them do. And so I don't want,
Speaker 1: at least from my perspective, I don't want anyone to
Speaker 1: think that these things are insignificant, don't matter, only matter
Speaker 1: with a consultant class. They matter for all of us
Speaker 1: because they almost always dictate the actions of the peopleeople
Speaker 1: who are in power, who are making decisions, who are
Speaker 1: passing laws, who are proposing laws. It has a direct
Speaker 1: impact on whether or not they do something or they
Speaker 1: don't do something that's not buying large everybody.
Speaker 7: But I.
Speaker 1: Would not look to the political class to be the
Speaker 1: courageous class. They are almost always the followers of what
Speaker 1: people on the ground are already doing and are already
Speaker 1: moving about.
Speaker 5: I can't say, Andrew, I feel like you're agreeing with
Speaker 5: my point, like it matters to the politician, not the voter.
Speaker 4: Like if you're the I think.
Speaker 1: It matters to the voters. I think it matters to
Speaker 1: the voters because it dictates the actions of the politician.
Speaker 4: I agree, this is I agree, but I'm yes, so
Speaker 4: you're right.
Speaker 5: It matters to the voters in terms of like, yes,
Speaker 5: voters should be polled and that info should be shared
Speaker 5: with politicians. All those things matter. But to lead a
Speaker 5: newscast or to like make this the headline of like, oh, everybody,
Speaker 5: here's what the polls say, I would go back to
Speaker 5: Endela's point. I think that is about consultants, and especially
Speaker 5: when most times you're not even explaining, like some people
Speaker 5: don't even know, like this polling outlet is heavily conservative,
Speaker 5: they skew to the right.
Speaker 4: Or the way questions are even framed.
Speaker 5: The question could be like if you can say, well,
Speaker 5: how do you feel about the Biden administration's handling of Gaza,
Speaker 5: that's one thing.
Speaker 4: Or the question could.
Speaker 5: Be how angry are you about buy on a scale
Speaker 5: of one to ten, how angry are you about that?
Speaker 5: That has a completely different sentiment to it when the
Speaker 5: question is asked. Also, as a politician, you know how
Speaker 5: focus groups are. When you have a focus group room
Speaker 5: full of white people, send a white questioner in there
Speaker 5: to ask them how they feel about something when it's
Speaker 5: somebody different, so you get different responses, and the same
Speaker 5: thing happens on the babe. I know, I can tell
Speaker 5: when I'm talking to somebody who looks like me and
Speaker 5: when they don't, and it's a different response. So I
Speaker 5: think you don't want to say it, but I think
Speaker 5: you are agreeing with me on some level.
Speaker 1: I would say it if I'm simply saying the reason
Speaker 1: why it can't be thrown in the trash is because
Speaker 1: of the power that these instruments are dictating. Well, whichever waylaid.
Speaker 4: I like this and I'm not even in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason why that can't that, the reason why
Speaker 1: that cannot happen, and I hope people don't allow it
Speaker 1: to happen, is because of the effect that it ultimately
Speaker 1: ultimately has on the body politic and on who gets seen,
Speaker 1: who gets heard, and who gets the benefit of the
Speaker 1: actions of politicians because of how they've shown up in
Speaker 1: these numbers.
Speaker 5: So we don't even get poll We go hard and
Speaker 5: we don't even get poll y'all never been precisely and
Speaker 5: you're saying, Andrew, the way that polls are presented and covered.
Speaker 5: Now you think the status quo is fine, like the
Speaker 5: way this works it works.
Speaker 1: Hell no. But my but my issue isn't on the coverage.
Speaker 1: The coverage of it, My my, my, My issue with
Speaker 1: it is if we sumarily dismiss it as being unimportant
Speaker 1: and only important to a certain class of person, then
Speaker 1: we suspend with what is the most I think impactful
Speaker 1: part of this, which is it dictates then actions that
Speaker 1: people in powered see.
Speaker 4: There's a balance, there's a balance that if we don't
Speaker 4: ever get pulled.
Speaker 1: Then guess who's impacting the decisions that then get made.
Speaker 1: We had a problem with the way in which posts
Speaker 1: this so too talked about. Wig. We had an issue
Speaker 1: on the show you went through and talk to one
Speaker 1: of your friends from Capitol Hill to find out where
Speaker 1: to find a particular piece of an important element of
Speaker 1: the budget. To the audience, to some of the people
Speaker 1: who listen to to the show, that that was because,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, they are not going to put out
Speaker 1: press releases. They're not going to put out major statements
Speaker 1: on pieces that they don't want to get a lot
Speaker 1: of attention, Tiffany, you say this all the time. They
Speaker 1: whisper what they're going to do to us, and then
Speaker 1: they shot from a microphone what they're going to do
Speaker 1: for others. And I would say the reason why that
Speaker 1: happens is because they've been given indicators through instruments like
Speaker 1: polls that say people aren't interested in that they're interested in.
Speaker 4: Can we do.
Speaker 5: I would I would like to have I would like
Speaker 5: to have a native land pod pole. If you're listening, yes,
Speaker 5: and let us know. I'm trying to tip PSA. So
Speaker 5: we need a document to go with it. Don't you
Speaker 5: think like I want to put out a real poll
Speaker 5: where people like Lolo Loves do Google docs.
Speaker 4: Okay, go do your BSA, but I want like a
Speaker 4: fur pole. But let's let let.
Speaker 1: Why think it would take this much time? I really
Speaker 1: did it, y'all.
Speaker 5: It's your fault, Andrew. Anyway, here we go, So everyone,
Speaker 5: if you're listening, please tune in. We would like to
Speaker 5: hear from you, not just with video questions. But this
Speaker 5: time there's gonna be another survey. It's not nick survey.
Speaker 4: This time we're gonna have.
Speaker 5: Lo Loo create a Google doc I don't know what's
Speaker 5: going to be on it, but we want to pull
Speaker 5: you because you know what, you never get pulled here.
Speaker 5: You will not be invisible, man Ralph Ellison. Here you
Speaker 5: are seen.
Speaker 4: Welcome HOMEO everyone, will you.
Speaker 1: Take it away? I love that. On to a much
Speaker 1: more serious node, and that is May twenty fourth, the
Speaker 1: International Court of Justice ordered Israel to military operations in
Speaker 1: Rafa and keep the area open as a safe zone.
Speaker 1: Despite disorder, Israel military launched attacks on a refugee encampment
Speaker 1: in Rafa, killing nearly forty five people and injuring dozens more.
Speaker 1: On Tuesday, May twenty eighth, Israel launched another attack in
Speaker 1: al mawassee another safe zone, killing twenty one people. As
Speaker 1: of May twenty first, thirty five five hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: two Palestinians and fourteen hundred seventy eight Israelis have been
Speaker 1: killed in the war. But sometimes words don't do the
Speaker 1: significant horror of what's happening there justice. So let's take
Speaker 1: a look at some of the reporting from the ground.
Speaker 5: Well, the clip that we just saw was after the
Speaker 5: IDEF struck an encampment in northwest Rafa, and what you
Speaker 5: saw visually is people covering bodies, bodies, burning people in
Speaker 5: like desperate, please for help, trying to administer aid, and
Speaker 5: yet another air quotes mistake that the government of Israel
Speaker 5: has called it, and they've made a lot of quote
Speaker 5: unquote mistakes. I have to say that I think we're
Speaker 5: looking at close to forty thousand civilians killed at this point,
Speaker 5: although people on the ground will tell you that number
Speaker 5: is significantly higher because there are bodies still, according to
Speaker 5: some reporting, buried beneath rubble in bodies and people who
Speaker 5: are to this day unaccounted for.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Tiffany. On May twenty first, President
Speaker 1: Biden made these remarks.
Speaker 6: We reject the ICC's application for rest warrants against as
Speaker 6: well as leader. Whatever these warrants may imply, there's no
Speaker 6: equivalence between Israel and Hamas. It's clear there once to
Speaker 6: all do all it can to ensure civilian protection. But
Speaker 6: let me be clear, contrary to allegations against Israel made
Speaker 6: by the International Court of Justice, what's happening is not genocide.
Speaker 6: We reject that, and we'll always stand with Israel and
Speaker 6: the threats against his security.
Speaker 5: So those are the marks of President Biden that pre
Speaker 5: dates what we just played the clip we just played
Speaker 5: of the attack in northwest Rafa. However, I think it's
Speaker 5: important to note that those re marks were still after
Speaker 5: many similar events where the IDF had struck civilian camps
Speaker 5: and killed numerous civilian people in Gaza. So next we're
Speaker 5: going to hear from John Kirby. John Kirby is the
Speaker 5: spokesperson press person for the Department of State, and this
Speaker 5: is a sound from John Kirby.
Speaker 4: How does this not violate the red line put the
Speaker 4: President laid out.
Speaker 1: As I said, we don't want to see a major
Speaker 1: ground operation.
Speaker 4: We haven't seen that at this point.
Speaker 5: How many more.
Speaker 6: Shard corpses does he have to see before the president
Speaker 6: considers a change of problem.
Speaker 4: We don't want to see a single more innocent life taken.
Speaker 1: And I kind of take a little offense at the question.
Speaker 1: No civilian casualties is the right number of civilian casualties?
Speaker 1: If you or right. John Kirby previously was the communications
Speaker 1: always said the Department of a State. Now he is
Speaker 1: the National Security Agency spokesperson, which means he's right there
Speaker 1: in the white Even more important, though, to your point,
Speaker 1: he's in the belly of the administration's operations, it's thinking,
Speaker 1: and what it wants to communicate to the world about
Speaker 1: where the president stands on important issues of national security.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how how this all sits with you
Speaker 1: all in it, and I get a sense of how
Speaker 1: it saysts with people, but I'm curious how it sast
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 4: I'm sick. I like, I literally I cannot.
Speaker 5: I just I can't make sense of this to me
Speaker 5: when you say that this doesn't Israel hasn't crossed the
Speaker 5: red line, because it doesn't, it is not considered a
Speaker 5: major ground operation. I'm curious to know what a major
Speaker 5: ground operation is. Is that one hundred people? Is it
Speaker 5: a thousand people? Is it ten thousand? Is it one
Speaker 5: hundred thousand? What constitutes a major ground operation when you
Speaker 5: are fighting people with cannons that have slingshots. I just
Speaker 5: I don't understand what it takes and how we got here.
Speaker 5: And I think what I'm more repulsed by is my own.
Speaker 4: Not apathy.
Speaker 5: But it feels like there's a callous that's developing over
Speaker 5: my heart, like it's it's becoming the norm. And I'm
Speaker 5: not saying enough and I'm not doing enough, and I
Speaker 5: don't know where to start. And I feel, you know,
Speaker 5: like I'm so inspired by so many of these young people,
Speaker 5: but I'm still so frustrated that all of what they've
Speaker 5: sacrificed has not fallen on deaf ears, but it hasn't
Speaker 5: risen to the level that has required this administration to
Speaker 5: really change much. And I just want to know what
Speaker 5: it will take, what you know, what will cause you
Speaker 5: to lay you know, campaign donations aside, and lay your
Speaker 5: commitment to the Iron doma side, and really just move
Speaker 5: towards peace, you know. I just I am struggling with this.
Speaker 5: I think about what doctor King was saying about the
Speaker 5: Vietnam War, and like, how we get to the point
Speaker 5: where we will literally.
Speaker 4: Put a hierarchy on lives, you know.
Speaker 5: Whether I'm not saying that people in Israel should be
Speaker 5: held hostage, but I also damn sure don't think that
Speaker 5: these kids deserve to be blown to shreds. Like this
Speaker 5: is just beyond And I really don't understand how a
Speaker 5: nation that prides itself on Christian values when they see
Speaker 5: this type of genocide, because that is exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 5: It is the willful killing of a people who come
Speaker 5: from a certain group who are made up of certain DNA.
Speaker 5: That is absolutely what a genocide is. When you see
Speaker 5: this genocide, how do you square that with your Christian values?
Speaker 5: Where is your compassion? Where is loving your neighbor as yourself?
Speaker 5: Is it loving your neighbor as yourself depending on how
Speaker 5: much they can donate? Is it loving your neighbor as yourself?
Speaker 5: Depending on if they're part of a promised land that
Speaker 5: you have somehow warped the Bible into talking about, Like
Speaker 5: I just so, I think it's a highlight of how
Speaker 5: tone deaf this administration is. Even for John Kirby to
Speaker 5: be offended at the question, you know, it highlights such
Speaker 5: a disconnect with voters and answers one hundred percent right,
Speaker 5: we are witnessing genocide now. I do want to point
Speaker 5: out that Israel and Rapha and Gaza is not the
Speaker 5: only place where this type of devastating conflict is happening.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people ask, why don't you talk
Speaker 5: about this, Why don't you talk about that? We are
Speaker 5: very where. Obviously we know what's happening in Haiti. Obviously
Speaker 5: I'm super well ran on what's happening in the Democratic
Speaker 5: Republic of Congo. I'm very well aware of the conflict's
Speaker 5: happening in Nigeria all throughout the continent Sudan, clearly aware
Speaker 5: why this is so important and why this matters greatly,
Speaker 5: not that the other conflicts don't matter, but why the
Speaker 5: US has a keen interest here is because we're talking
Speaker 5: about nuclear powers.
Speaker 4: Israel is a nuclear power.
Speaker 5: And so I think President Biden is trying to tread lightly.
Speaker 5: I think it is as much about the votes as
Speaker 5: it is about global diplomacy and the shift that we
Speaker 5: see happening among superpowers, because there are some strange bedfellows
Speaker 5: making new friends on this stage. And I think netn
Speaker 5: Yahoo is such a Zionist, he is so laser focused
Speaker 5: on eradicating the Palestinian people from this territory that he
Speaker 5: is willing to make friends with anybody. So if he
Speaker 5: loses this big brother of the United States, where might
Speaker 5: he turn? What other nuclear powers might he turn to
Speaker 5: to gain funding and to continue in this I think
Speaker 5: heartless inhumane effort that we've seen. I think another interesting
Speaker 5: thing that has happened in the United States, which I
Speaker 5: greatly applaud. It used to be taboo. You couldnot say anything.
Speaker 5: People would conflate Jewish people, the idea and the Israeli
Speaker 5: government and make them one. And you cannot do that anymore.
Speaker 5: You cannot cancel people. You simply do not have the
Speaker 5: control to do that. There are Jewish people among the protesters.
Speaker 5: So you cannot say everyone who disagrees with the actions
Speaker 5: of the Israeli government when it comes to murdering civilians,
Speaker 5: women and children, that you're anti Semitic. Not true. I
Speaker 5: rebuke that wholeheartedly. Obviously we don't support anti Semitism. We're
Speaker 5: seeing something completely different. And then when you see people
Speaker 5: speaking out about it and people showing you what you
Speaker 5: don't see. This is the American media, but social media
Speaker 5: has democratized who has a voice, and so we see
Speaker 5: numerous videos of you cannot tell them, don't tell me,
Speaker 5: don't believe my lion eyes and lioneers, because we're seeing
Speaker 5: it with our own eyes. We have seen decapitated children,
Speaker 5: we have seen charred bodies, we have seen lifeless We've
Speaker 5: saw a grandmother get shot to death while trying to
Speaker 5: take her grandchild to safety. And so I think as
Speaker 5: long as this administration has been willfully ignorant to the
Speaker 5: cries of the people, on the ground, who are their voters?
Speaker 5: And these cries have extended across the globe. At this point,
Speaker 5: the entire world is looking at Net and Yahoo and
Speaker 5: the atrocities that the IDF is committed on behalf of
Speaker 5: Net and Yahoo with utter disgust, and who is funding
Speaker 5: that the United States? There is the other side, Andrew,
Speaker 5: where you have to consider, well, I'm so mad, I'm
Speaker 5: not going to vote for Biden. What do you think
Speaker 5: is going to happen under a second term Donald Trump presidency?
Speaker 5: So I fully understand people's frustration, but apathy or a
Speaker 5: protest vote and all those things, I don't think you
Speaker 5: will get the intended outcome with what was making that move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I appreciate the heartfelt, brilliant nature of
Speaker 1: both y'all's comments and Angela in her conversation basically defined
Speaker 1: what genocide is, but just definitionally and it doesn't vary
Speaker 1: really much. From what she said, is the deliberate killing
Speaker 1: of a large number of people from a particular nation
Speaker 1: or ethnic group with the aim of destroying the nation
Speaker 1: or group I mean, and quite frankly, it's exactly what
Speaker 1: jihad is. When when certain Islamic leaders who are anti
Speaker 1: a Muslim state, say they aught to commit jihad against
Speaker 1: islamita I mean against against Israelis. It is to wipe
Speaker 1: it out as a as as a group. And the
Speaker 1: reason I believe it requires serious interrogation by the United
Speaker 1: States government. The veracity of these of these charges is
Speaker 1: because the net and Yahoo government appears to be increasingly
Speaker 1: packed with race bigots who and I'm not making this up.
Speaker 1: This is this is. This has been reported in in
Speaker 1: uh in Jewish sources, both in Israel as well as
Speaker 1: here in the United States and all across the globe.
Speaker 1: And if and if the US government was full of that,
Speaker 1: we could truly identify as as full of racists persecuting
Speaker 1: racist policies with the goal of extinguishing black people in
Speaker 1: this country, we would call it what it is, or
Speaker 1: any group of people in this country. So I don't
Speaker 1: it's so serious that this isn't the this isn't a
Speaker 1: matter of name calling. We're trying to get to the
Speaker 1: crux of what is going on. And Biden, as the
Speaker 1: President of the United States and considerably considered by many
Speaker 1: nations in the world as a moral leader, if not
Speaker 1: the principled, then moral leader among democracies can't seriously reckon
Speaker 1: with this, while at the same time saying Israel has
Speaker 1: a to defend itself. I don't, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know where that leaves us. And the and the horrible
Speaker 1: part that I feel about this, y'all, is that it
Speaker 1: will be in somebody's memoirs, long after they have served
Speaker 1: and had an ability to impact what's happening today that
Speaker 1: we learn about regret and a decision that should have
Speaker 1: been made that wasn't. And and the truth of that
Speaker 1: matter is, is it ain't worth the paper it is
Speaker 1: printed on. After you leave a position where you can
Speaker 1: do something and to a place where all you can
Speaker 1: do is opine on your mistakes. Tiffany, you you broached
Speaker 1: where we want to go I think next. And we've
Speaker 1: heard this and in many ways are pushed thereby our
Speaker 1: listeners themselves, who have some interesting queries around how we
Speaker 1: reconcile the totality of the Biden agenda, what we're experiencing
Speaker 1: and seeing today, with how they are supposed to perform,
Speaker 1: how they're supposed to show up and if they are
Speaker 1: supposed to show up, or we'll play some bill and
Speaker 1: meet you on the other.
Speaker 7: Side High Native Land Podcast.
Speaker 8: My name is ben Na Guha and I'm a South
Speaker 8: Asian artist here in New York City. So I'm trying
Speaker 8: to think about ways to convince.
Speaker 4: My friends who vound.
Speaker 8: Not to vote for Biden, how to convince them that
Speaker 8: that's a mistake I hate. And I'm so disappointed by
Speaker 8: everything Biden is choosing to do in terms of foreign relations,
Speaker 8: in terms of his weird loyalty to Israel, because god damn,
Speaker 8: if children dying doesn't change your mind, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know what will.
Speaker 8: But that being said, Trump is worse, and so I'm
Speaker 8: trying to figure out how to talk to people about
Speaker 8: it without dismissing the consciousness and their spirit. And I
Speaker 8: think it's being handled in a really irresponsible way when
Speaker 8: people ask the same question because they're like, you know,
Speaker 8: shaming people for not.
Speaker 4: Liking Biden right now, and it's like, can you blame people?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 8: But there's still a strategic choice here, and I need language,
Speaker 8: and I was hoping y'all can help me with that.
Speaker 1: Thanks, And she wasn't alone. Let's hear from another listener.
Speaker 9: What's good in NLP. My name is Luke Isaac. I'm
Speaker 9: a twenty five year old from Memphis, Tennessee, and I
Speaker 9: wanted to ask y'all this as far as Biden, where
Speaker 9: is his core base, where's the voters that are in
Speaker 9: his back pocket? Because the people I'm around are either
Speaker 9: older black and brown people that are tired of the
Speaker 9: amount of money that is getting.
Speaker 2: Sent to Ukraine leaders read a room.
Speaker 9: They don't feel like there's an equal amount of money
Speaker 9: flowing through our community to.
Speaker 1: Lift us up.
Speaker 9: And then it's younger people that are around my age,
Speaker 9: college students that are fed up with the amount of
Speaker 9: money going to Israel.
Speaker 2: These are things that will stuck people from building for
Speaker 2: you and need to give me. It's like that administration
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to get that. So I would to ask
Speaker 2: you all who is the fourth because I don't have
Speaker 2: any real Biden fans right now, and I'm kind of
Speaker 2: getting worried because it's looking like Trump is going to
Speaker 2: be on some unconstitutional and mass deportation stuff and I
Speaker 2: can support that either. So I would be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I'm leaning towards Team Couch And I know y'all hate
Speaker 2: to hear that. I'm so sorry to say it, but
Speaker 2: that's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: These are two really thoughtful I thought, and consider it
Speaker 1: comment slash questions, and it really gets us to a
Speaker 1: theme that we've been hearing, I think, rather repeatedly, which
Speaker 1: is this whole idea of the lesser of two evils
Speaker 1: when you consider Biden the Trump and the question around
Speaker 1: who is Biden's people, who are his base? Who is
Speaker 1: coming with him? I thought was really interesting and I
Speaker 1: thought rather informed analysis that you hear from some older folks. Look,
Speaker 1: we sent it too much money to Ukraine and this
Speaker 1: why should we be concerned? And you hear obviously across
Speaker 1: college campuses in many communities, you know, just being fed up,
Speaker 1: fed up to the point of protests and and and
Speaker 1: and The truth is is the movement against the Vietnam
Speaker 1: more started somewhere right, and and and and and and
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to see where this goes. But the
Speaker 1: lesser of two evils, how do we help listeners think
Speaker 1: through how they're to talk about this with with friends
Speaker 1: and family. I guess the first thing I say is honestly,
Speaker 1: and that can be painful. What do y'all think?
Speaker 5: Well, I think those are two very different questions because
Speaker 5: I think the last guy was asking who is Biden's base,
Speaker 5: and I think all three of us can say in unison,
Speaker 5: Biden's base looks like us. And that's something that unfortunately
Speaker 5: this administration seems to be reminded need to be reminded
Speaker 5: of a lot, which is pretty frustrating. Biden's base is
Speaker 5: not the nicky Hayley voter that they seem hell bent.
Speaker 5: Ongoing after to the first Young Ladies question around what
Speaker 5: do we say to peopeople? Look, I have to say we,
Speaker 5: as black and brown folks in this country, we have
Speaker 5: never had the privilege of being single issue voters. We
Speaker 5: just cannot afford that. Yes, I want to add to
Speaker 5: y'all think that there has ever been a candidate that
Speaker 5: stood with me on every single thing I believe in,
Speaker 5: and if they didn't, I had the privilege to say,
Speaker 5: oh well, oh well, I'm just gonna go vote for
Speaker 5: somebody else, or I'm not going to vote. We just
Speaker 5: don't have that privilege. But I say that understanding that
Speaker 5: there are many people, particularly people who are Palestinian in
Speaker 5: this country. It would be really hard for you to
Speaker 5: ask me to vote for somebody who is killing or
Speaker 5: funding the killing of my people. So I don't want
Speaker 5: to dismiss that frustration from people. And the truth is
Speaker 5: I have no words. I have no words for somebody
Speaker 5: who is saying, you're killing my family, You're killing people
Speaker 5: who look like me. I don't have any encouragement there
Speaker 5: for a lot of other people. I understand that you
Speaker 5: want to stand in solidarity and that we all in unison, crying,
Speaker 5: screaming from the mountaintops. This is genocide. We don't like it. However,
Speaker 5: this policy will not change under Donald Trump. If you
Speaker 5: think Donald Trump is gonna stop funding Israel, you are wrong.
Speaker 5: He has said publicly, he has pledged to support publicly
Speaker 5: to net and Yahoo and to the Israel State, and
Speaker 5: has supported what he's seen happen in Israel. So to me,
Speaker 5: it's it's pretty simple. I would also advise the young
Speaker 5: woman to focus on policies that the Biden administration has
Speaker 5: administered and has gotten passed through Congress that has benefited
Speaker 5: people of color, because there have been many policies that
Speaker 5: we benefit from that It might not be a parent
Speaker 5: and it might not be as tangible in your life tomorrow,
Speaker 5: but but for sure, there's been policies of this administration
Speaker 5: as instituted that we benefit from. You know, I I
Speaker 5: think that these are related in part because what I
Speaker 5: think that I hear our folks wrestling with a lot
Speaker 5: is not feeling the support from an administration that we
Speaker 5: know that we help to not just elect, but prop up.
Speaker 5: And so when you can see the billions of dollars
Speaker 5: going in foreign aid not just because of what Joe
Speaker 5: Biden is doing, but because of what the Republican led
Speaker 5: House and the Democratic led barely but Senate is doing,
Speaker 5: it's it's hard to not feel invisible in that, and
Speaker 5: it's hard to get people motivated when you're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: where do I really align with you on the issues?
Speaker 5: And frankly, I think what is really tough is in
Speaker 5: the middle of having this conversation right after RAFA, you
Speaker 5: really have to think about if the achievements that they've touted,
Speaker 5: especially during the you know, the Black History Month fact sheet,
Speaker 5: are commensurate with what they're asking us to do or
Speaker 5: what they asked us to do in twenty twenty, which
Speaker 5: was to risk our lives in a pandemic to go
Speaker 5: out and vote. Has this administration been radical or courageous
Speaker 5: enough to garner that same support? And I think that
Speaker 5: they still got some work to do. I don't think
Speaker 5: it's over. I think that there's still a possibility. But
Speaker 5: I will tell you, after seeing what we witnessed today
Speaker 5: and what we've been witnessing over the last several days,
Speaker 5: it's really tough. And I don't want to make it
Speaker 5: seem to our listeners like we don't carefully think, calculate, debate,
Speaker 5: analyze every aspect of this every time we sit down,
Speaker 5: you know, Like I don't think that it would be
Speaker 5: honest for me to say I've never thought about who
Speaker 5: the hell else could run? Like that really has been
Speaker 5: my thought, Like why are why? How do we get
Speaker 5: stuck here? This election feels like to me, y'all are
Speaker 5: gonna laugh because I wasn't even registered yet. But when
Speaker 5: I was in the third grade, Michael Dukakis was running
Speaker 5: George H. W. Bush, and I went to vote with
Speaker 5: my parents every election. And I remember that year we
Speaker 5: had like a foe election in the third grade and
Speaker 5: that was the one time I went to the polls
Speaker 5: with my parents and I was like, I really am
Speaker 5: not excited about this. I was like, what happened to
Speaker 5: Jesse Jackson? Like where do you go? And I feel
Speaker 5: that in the same way. Now, it's like, this is
Speaker 5: not what I signed up for. When I think about
Speaker 5: how elated I was to champion Kamala Harris being the
Speaker 5: vice president on this ticket, this is not what I expected.
Speaker 4: I would like to hear so much more from her.
Speaker 4: I would.
Speaker 5: I know that she is challenging this president to do
Speaker 5: something different. I want to see that challenge. I don't
Speaker 5: think that when you are in partnership, whether it's in
Speaker 5: a marriage, it's at your church home, it's on a
Speaker 5: board of a corporation, it's you know, nonprofit leaders, I
Speaker 5: don't care where you are, it is okay to disagree,
Speaker 5: and I think sometimes that is what makes partnership stronger.
Speaker 5: I want to see that. I feel like I'm all
Speaker 5: over the place. But my point is I am not
Speaker 5: happy right now, and that is my true and I
Speaker 5: know that in some ways there are folks who are
Speaker 5: going to watch this and feel like I'm being remarkably irresponsible.
Speaker 4: To me at this point, I feel like.
Speaker 5: What would be remarkably irresponsible is to pretend like this
Speaker 5: isn't a very challenging calculation to make right now. This
Speaker 5: is hard, it's not easy, and I still know where
Speaker 5: my vote is going in the fall, it is with
Speaker 5: the Biden Harris ticket, unless there's some crazy thing that happens, happens.
Speaker 4: At the convention and somebody else becomes is on the ticket.
Speaker 4: But I am not voting for Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Remember he's still the guy that was in charge of
Speaker 5: the Muslim band and put Jared Kushner over Israeli relations.
Speaker 4: So there's that that's real.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree, given the clips from RAFA and
Speaker 1: what we talked about just in this episode, I don't
Speaker 1: want to dismiss anybody. And there hesitant resistance toward voting
Speaker 1: for an administration where on an issue in particular you
Speaker 1: feel heart wrenched about and and just utterly destroyed inside.
Speaker 1: And folks don't have to look like you in order
Speaker 1: for you to have that emotional reaction to just senseless
Speaker 1: and aimless killing. But I approach voting like I do
Speaker 1: anything I would do strategically. You know, it used to
Speaker 1: be said that you plan your work, and you work
Speaker 1: your plan with a protest vote, with choosing to sit
Speaker 1: on the couch those our lives don't afford us the
Speaker 1: emotional reaction of I'm just gonna sit it out and
Speaker 1: let what happened happens because what happened happens. What happened
Speaker 1: to you and to your family and the people you
Speaker 1: care about in the neighborhood you live in, and the
Speaker 1: folks who you grew up with, your mother, your father,
Speaker 1: your siblings, your children. There are higher stakes here. And
Speaker 1: I'm just so glad that we didn't have protesters in
Speaker 1: the Midnight eighteen in the late nineteen fifties and early
Speaker 1: sixties who said we didn't get our way politically or otherwise,
Speaker 1: and so we're going to sit home. No, when they
Speaker 1: decided they were going to sit home, it was strategic.
Speaker 1: They sat home to extract something from the system that
Speaker 1: under normal conditions, the system wasn't rendering to them. And
Speaker 1: they didn't do that at the ballot box. They did
Speaker 1: that when they came to sitting outside of the bus
Speaker 1: or walking next to the bus and not on it
Speaker 1: until we could extract what we needed from that system.
Speaker 1: That was strategic, that was thoughtful, and it yielded over
Speaker 1: time the response that we know we needed. We require
Speaker 1: when you go to a job and you're depending on
Speaker 1: that job for a wage to take home to take
Speaker 1: care of yourself and your family, just because you had
Speaker 1: a bad day and a bad experience. By and large,
Speaker 1: most of us just don't quit that day. If we
Speaker 1: even think about quitting, we start to lay a plan.
Speaker 1: We started to talk to some people and figure out, well,
Speaker 1: so I can go. And when you go in to
Speaker 1: lay that Trump Trump card down, no pun intended, I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. I quit. You got another plan in
Speaker 1: place to take care of yourself and your family. It's strategic,
Speaker 1: it's thoughtful, it's it's planning your work and working your plan.
Speaker 1: And so know, there is not some heart you know,
Speaker 1: heartfelt story that I can offer to say, compromise on
Speaker 1: your value on this issue so that you can win
Speaker 1: temperamentally on this one. But unfortunately politics and the science
Speaker 1: of it and the way elections work, certainly in this
Speaker 1: country is it's usually a dichotomy. One of the two
Speaker 1: people was going to win. And when you size them up,
Speaker 1: if one is on a whole nother plan in universe,
Speaker 1: bad that ought to make it up for you right
Speaker 1: then and there. So we may not be able to
Speaker 1: go to our families this time and say hope and
Speaker 1: change and things are going to be radically you know different.
Speaker 1: You know, as a result, of this. But guess what,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden doesn't cause my blood pressure to rise. He
Speaker 1: you know, the excitement isn't you know? There? But I
Speaker 1: tell you I don't have I have not always been
Speaker 1: excited about the choices I've had to make. I've had
Speaker 1: to make them anyway, and so in this case, I
Speaker 1: just think this is this is one of those places
Speaker 1: where we're going to have to do what needs to
Speaker 1: be done because the situation makes it necessary, and in
Speaker 1: this case, the situation makes it necessary for me.
Speaker 4: I just have a quick question for you, because I
Speaker 4: know we're way over.
Speaker 5: If you put yourselves in the shoes of the Palestinian people.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about Linda, I'm thinking about Rashida, who both
Speaker 5: still have family members there, and it was our people killed,
Speaker 5: you know, to the tune of over forty thousand. Where
Speaker 5: do you think you would land? Yeah, that was the
Speaker 5: point I just made. If they were killing people like me,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to vote. So I understand completely
Speaker 5: youresent referencing Linda Sarsauer, who's an activist in Congressman Rashida
Speaker 5: Telib from Michigan, who was instituted in the protest vote
Speaker 5: during the primary and she's made comments like we're not
Speaker 5: going to forget this in November.
Speaker 4: It's hard for me.
Speaker 5: I could never ask somebody who is personally impacted, and
Speaker 5: these are you know, community members and friends and family,
Speaker 5: it would be incredibly hard. I could not vote for
Speaker 5: this administration. I could not, and I understand that Trump
Speaker 5: is a much worse scenario. But if it's my family
Speaker 5: and my people's people who look like me, I don't
Speaker 5: think i'd be able to which I don't know what
Speaker 5: that says about me or us or other people who
Speaker 5: feel that way. Because I have empathy and I'm in
Speaker 5: solidarity with the Palestinian people who are being slaughtered. I
Speaker 5: am not willing at this point to not vote for
Speaker 5: the Biden administration just because I am terribly fearful it's
Speaker 5: not my people right now. Under a Trump administration, it
Speaker 5: was my people, and it very well could be my
Speaker 5: people again. So that's why I'm voting for the Biden
Speaker 5: Here is to get.
Speaker 1: I couldn't guilt anybody on that, Angela giving your setup,
Speaker 1: but I think we all have a role to play.
Speaker 1: And just like in relationships, some days we fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty and other days we're seventy thirty and some days
Speaker 1: we ninety ten. And I guess what that means for
Speaker 1: the rest of us who aren't at the intersection of
Speaker 1: the impact in quite the same way as somebody who's
Speaker 1: got a family member, friend, relative who's being slaughter right now,
Speaker 1: I think we have to lean in and maybe this
Speaker 1: requires your ninety ten. Maybe you got to show up
Speaker 1: for that person who cannot in good conscience do it
Speaker 1: for themselves, because we know that the outcome could be
Speaker 1: not could would be worse. Angelae, you referenced it. Trump's
Speaker 1: first attack in office was against Muslim countries. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think he would do? Carpet bomb? Of course?
Speaker 1: And do you think he'd have sour words for nothing? Now? Who?
Speaker 1: I don't think so so. But but that's not an
Speaker 1: argument that I think could be made necessarily to a
Speaker 1: person whose family sits at the intersection.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, it's like, how do you how do you
Speaker 5: tell them about it? If when right now is the present?
Speaker 5: And then what is our obligation then to these folks
Speaker 5: who were saying, like, Okay, well I would move different
Speaker 5: if these were I'm not saying everybody's saying that, but
Speaker 5: I kind of feel like that too. I would move
Speaker 5: different if this was my people. If I'm not moving
Speaker 5: different because it's not my people, then what is my
Speaker 5: obligation to my friends who I'm allegedly standing in solidarity with?
Speaker 5: Do I push this administration harder? Have I done all
Speaker 5: I can to advocate for what is right? And I
Speaker 5: would tell you the answers no? So what am I doing?
Speaker 4: If I? If I?
Speaker 5: If I'm saying ultimately in November, I know that we've
Speaker 5: you know, this country slaughtered thousands of people who look
Speaker 5: like you, including your family members.
Speaker 4: But I need you to fall in line.
Speaker 5: And don't get out of line in November and cast
Speaker 5: that ballot.
Speaker 4: What am I going to do to make it easier
Speaker 4: for them to cast that ballot? And I haven't done that.
Speaker 4: I haven't done that.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I have not done that. That is
Speaker 5: not okay? Would I need to what would I need
Speaker 5: to hear to be okay with that? And I don't
Speaker 5: know what it is. I'm not trying to get people
Speaker 5: to sit at home. What I'm really trying to do,
Speaker 5: because people get confused sometimes, is stretch us. Our political engagement.
Speaker 5: Our activism has to go beyond the ballot box. If
Speaker 5: it doesn't, fewer and fewer and fewer people will show
Speaker 5: up to the ballot box.
Speaker 4: Our obligation to our fellow citizens and.
Speaker 5: These people who we love is to make sure that
Speaker 5: it is not just palatable for them. It's not just tolerable.
Speaker 5: It's not just they hold their nose and vote. It
Speaker 5: should be something that is that they do exuberantly, and
Speaker 5: right now they can't because their lives are literally on
Speaker 5: the line. They're not casting a vote for survival. They're
Speaker 5: casting a vote for a less li less genocide. Come on, y'all,
Speaker 5: like we got we owe them better than that. Like,
Speaker 5: what can we do to push this administration to say
Speaker 5: it's not this is not sufficient.
Speaker 4: Your red line is up, Fix your red line, move it.
Speaker 5: Because what you're doing if it were, if the shoe
Speaker 5: was on the other foot, if it was thirty thousand
Speaker 5: people Israeli's killed, there would be a World War three
Speaker 5: starting right now.
Speaker 4: True, So what are we doing.
Speaker 5: We can't keep saying that there's no value on the
Speaker 5: lives lost and there's and then do something completely It's
Speaker 5: not okay. I just morally I'm not okay with it.
Speaker 5: So I want to figure out what we can do
Speaker 5: to push this administration to do right by these folks,
Speaker 5: because right now it's wrong.
Speaker 1: It's wrong, Angela. I just think we may talk about
Speaker 1: voting as the only layer of innervision and protection, but
Speaker 1: it's not. There's several guess what, there's a convention coming
Speaker 1: this summer. Shut that bitch down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you get.
Speaker 1: No houses, you don't.
Speaker 4: How let's go back to Chicago protests? You mean literally
Speaker 4: and it will be in Chicago protest ja. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is there are a lot of ways
Speaker 1: to impact upon the process. I consider the option of
Speaker 1: not voting, the nuclear option, and guess what, sometimes there
Speaker 1: is in case of emergency break lass and then there's that.
Speaker 1: But I can't also, in good conscience, knowing that elections
Speaker 1: have have consequences, advise anybody who cares about the plight
Speaker 1: of the Palestinian people and what's happening to sit on
Speaker 1: the couch. Yeah, ok, either just that doesn't work.
Speaker 5: There's the thing is there keeps being for those who
Speaker 5: are more politically astute, there keeps being this conversation about
Speaker 5: just sitting out the election, and that's irresponsible because there
Speaker 5: are four five, six, seven, eight, nine ten steps we
Speaker 5: can take before that. And I think that it would
Speaker 5: be really smart for us, And maybe it's another podcast
Speaker 5: because I know we're so over, but it would be
Speaker 5: really smart for us to talk about what some of
Speaker 5: those options are. Is there a letter writing campaign to
Speaker 5: the Biden administration? Can you call on your members of
Speaker 5: Congress to sit down and have a real meeting, have
Speaker 5: Biden come to the hill and talk about what his
Speaker 5: strategy is, and really give him what is the new
Speaker 5: red line? What should the line be? It should be
Speaker 5: not another live loss. Is that something that.
Speaker 4: We should be helping to orchestrate on this podcast?
Speaker 5: This is he said it was a red line if
Speaker 5: it was American lives. Well, we saw what happened with
Speaker 5: Jose Andres and that wasn't a red line.
Speaker 4: The red line is going to keep moving, That's my point.
Speaker 5: And so if the red line keeps moving, then is
Speaker 5: it up to the voter to say, no, this is
Speaker 5: our red line. You better not cross this red line.
Speaker 5: And that is what I'm really asking. Maybe that is
Speaker 5: what we need to show because these again, these kids,
Speaker 5: they will their graduation on the line, and there whether
Speaker 5: or not they're suspended from school. People are laying their
Speaker 5: jobs on the line. Folks are literally being ostracized because
Speaker 5: of taking these positions. But this is a human rights issue.
Speaker 5: And how dare we have another MLK holiday where we're
Speaker 5: quoting this man and act like this isn't everything that
Speaker 5: he stood for. And to your point, Andrew, Chicago is
Speaker 5: a great place, but there are a number of steps
Speaker 5: that could be taken in terms of organizing people and
Speaker 5: bodies even before that point.
Speaker 4: But it's a great place before November. We have a
Speaker 4: whole summer to figure this out, and we need to
Speaker 4: figure it out this summer. I really do believe that.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you. I will
Speaker 1: just say, doctor King never ever told any about it
Speaker 1: not to vote right and in the fight for our humanity,
Speaker 1: in the fight for us to be seen as human,
Speaker 1: and I think the same fight it can be attributed
Speaker 1: here to see my life as valuable. Yeah, there were
Speaker 1: steps that were taken in much sacrifice, but never was
Speaker 1: it an option to sit out the election.
Speaker 5: In fact, I hope nobody hears me saying that. How
Speaker 5: was I saying I hope nobody hears me saying that
Speaker 5: I did not.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not attributing that to you. That's not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not attributing that to you. I'm simply saying no, no,
Speaker 1: in the myriad of things that can be done, I'm
Speaker 1: simply saying that if we nothing, Tiffany, you said in
Speaker 1: this episode, nothing new is ever really new, right, It's
Speaker 1: been done before. And all I'm saying is, let's reflect
Speaker 1: on the successful movements of our past as instruction as
Speaker 1: guidance for what could be done to help move us
Speaker 1: along on this one. Progress can be had, I believe that.
Speaker 1: But but consider voting and not voting as a nuclear option.
Speaker 1: It is not a first place of resource for people
Speaker 1: who frankly are co opting what is a tragic moment
Speaker 1: in history as an excuse to be lazy. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: ain't everybody, But I hear folks who don't show up
Speaker 1: for nothing out here talking about not voting and and
Speaker 1: and and attributing certain things. Is any excuse when it
Speaker 1: wasn't your plan to get out there anyway? Don't co
Speaker 1: opt this moment for some bull Yeah, y'all, I know
Speaker 1: it deserves a lot more conversation, and I think I
Speaker 1: appreciate us all leaning in to try to participate in
Speaker 1: this one, and ANGELI accept your challenging us thinking through
Speaker 1: what role we might be able to play, you know,
Speaker 1: going forward. Let's take a break and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about what our admonishments might be to the listeners.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, y'all.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be native Lampard if we didn't conclude today's episode,
Speaker 1: as heavy as it may have been, with our calls
Speaker 1: to action for what we could do right where we
Speaker 1: are to make a difference. Angela, you want to go first.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 5: I just want to first tell you all thank you
Speaker 5: tiff and Andrew, because it's been a really heavy, long
Speaker 5: few weeks.
Speaker 4: Y'all have dealt with me with two or three hours
Speaker 4: of sleep and grouchiness.
Speaker 5: Nick.
Speaker 4: I was grouchy like our producer Nick at one time,
Speaker 4: but every day.
Speaker 5: And I just want to shout out our dear sister
Speaker 5: Marilyn Moseby, whose grandmother's in hospice care right now. As
Speaker 5: you all know, the government spent millions of taxpayer dollars
Speaker 5: to give her an ankle bracelet that's not from Tiffany's,
Speaker 5: to have her on home confinement basically with a lot
Speaker 5: of latitude, but I believe that that is still not freedom.
Speaker 5: And when you haven't broken the law and you have
Speaker 5: been targeted, you probably shouldn't be confined in that way. So,
Speaker 5: even though some folks are curious about why we're still
Speaker 5: pushing for Maryland's freedom her like complete liberation, and still
Speaker 5: pushing for a complete and full presidential pardon, this is
Speaker 5: the reason why she did not break the law. And
Speaker 5: despite how the government has tried to paint that inaccuracy
Speaker 5: and press releases from the Department of Justice at nauseum
Speaker 5: and even in this trial, I hope you will still
Speaker 5: stand with us. We are closer to one hundred thousand
Speaker 5: signatures on the petition. Shout out again to Tiff and
Speaker 5: Andrew for allowing us to hold that petition with color
Speaker 5: of change. But I would love for you all to
Speaker 5: continue to sign on, continue to call the White House
Speaker 5: and ask when that pardon will happen again. This is
Speaker 5: one of those things that this administration can do to
Speaker 5: demonstrate that it stands with black folks overall, and folks
Speaker 5: who work to ensure that the justice system is far
Speaker 5: more balanced, and Maryland is certainly one of those champions
Speaker 5: for us. So that is my ask. Go to Justice
Speaker 5: for Maryland moosb dot com dot today and sign that petition.
Speaker 1: Love that. Thank you Angela, tiff what you got?
Speaker 5: I mean in essence of time, because they're so over.
Speaker 5: I defer to Angela's call to action and whatever you're
Speaker 5: about to give us, Andrew, I say, follow whatever Andrew
Speaker 5: and Angela say this.
Speaker 1: Week's and let's let's put that in marble, because Tiffan
Speaker 1: ain't ever by dev to follow us. No, of course
Speaker 1: I'm jesting, but but honestly, all praise and thanks to
Speaker 1: you Angela for the champions work that you did and
Speaker 1: picking this and wrangling it. Everybody needs a friend like
Speaker 1: you and my CTA. Y'all actually change from what I
Speaker 1: thought when we started and where it ends is. I
Speaker 1: would like y'all to help us think through offering suggestions
Speaker 1: around strategies that we might pursue to get an administration
Speaker 1: that we voted for to do what we want them
Speaker 1: to do, short of pulling the nuclear option of not voting. So,
Speaker 1: if you've got an idea, a suggestion, a thought, put
Speaker 1: it in our feed our comments, do a video. What
Speaker 1: are the options you would consider before you would quit
Speaker 1: your job? What are the options you would consider before
Speaker 1: you would in significant ways shift your family and re
Speaker 1: action to a thing an action of something. Just give
Speaker 1: us your ideas for what we as a community could
Speaker 1: consider doing before we decide to sit in an election house.
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