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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty one, y'all. We

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, y'all, the jury is out as of

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Speaker 1: time of recording. The jury has been uh admonished by

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Speaker 1: to go inside the Democratic Party establishment. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about panic setting in spreading throughout many high level

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Speaker 1: Democratic officials who are, to put it lightly, a little

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Speaker 1: bit nervous about November. We're going to talk about what

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Speaker 1: these poll numbers mean at this point. Then we'll jump

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Speaker 1: into the Middle East and talk about what's happening in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnya, who has vowed to continue

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Speaker 1: the Israeli assault on the city of Rafa, despite despite

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Speaker 1: repeated admonishments from countries stretching worldwide, and also despite horrific

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Speaker 1: bombing of citizens designated safe zones and increasing condemnation, as

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Speaker 1: we said, from the global community. We'll hear what the

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Speaker 1: administration has to say about that, and we want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you directly, our audience about a question, comment,

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Speaker 1: observation that's been coming our way in our chats and

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Speaker 1: conversations and just the general mood of what we've been feeling,

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Speaker 1: and that is, how do you decide who to vote

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Speaker 1: for when both presidential candidates I don't know kindes seem

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Speaker 1: or maybe a better and fair way to put that is,

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Speaker 1: maybe you've decided that your life won't be changed by

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Speaker 1: either way of the outcome. And we want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about how we talk to each other, our family,

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Speaker 1: our friends and loved ones around this upcoming presidential race.

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Speaker 1: We'll give our best input thoughts and you hear us

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Speaker 1: think out loud around how it is we're approaching this

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Speaker 1: upcoming November election. Stay tuned is going to be a

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Speaker 1: great show, everybody, So, y'all, we want to begin today's

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Speaker 1: conversation with a quick update on what's happening in the

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Speaker 1: Trump trials, And I almost Tiffany and Angela hesitate to

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Speaker 1: been tuned into the coverage and the chiron reading by

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Speaker 1: we've reached a culmination point. In fact, Tiffany in angel

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Speaker 1: I was telling someone before the show began, how I

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Speaker 1: think the jury will decide. But my question for the

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Speaker 1: really given thought to what happens politically as a political

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Speaker 1: outflow from any decision made this jury? And I think

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Speaker 1: various levels of the charges that have been bought against

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Now I got I can imagine that if

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Speaker 1: I'm mostly concerned around whether or not you think there

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Speaker 1: will be a lasting consequence of the verdict as we

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Speaker 1: think about this race in November. If Trump's let off,

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Speaker 1: if he has a conviction, do y'all think it matters

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Speaker 4: I want rather y'all weigh in, and then I'll weigh in. Okay.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I think this is really fascinating to me.

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Speaker 5: One because there are so many indictments at play here.

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Speaker 5: This is a thirty four if you remember, Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 5: and this is now what the jury has to consider.

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Speaker 5: The thing that's been frustrating for me in some ways

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Speaker 5: is I'm someone who I'm not an auditory learner. I

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Speaker 5: I wanted to see this trial, which we couldn't really see.

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Speaker 5: I think the other thing that I'll say is I

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Speaker 5: that I really think that the prosecution did an interesting

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Speaker 5: enacting the call between Michael Cohen, then Donald Trump's security guard,

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Speaker 5: and Donald Trump himself to demonstrate how long a minute

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Speaker 5: That creativity gets them where they need to be in

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Speaker 4: These thirty four counts. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I haven't paid close enough attention to the trial. But

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Speaker 5: here's what I do know. I do know that Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump has a rabbit base. I do know that there

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Speaker 5: are folks who want to believe that he is someone

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Speaker 5: who is taking on the justice system, and the system

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Speaker 5: that is indeed what happened. And so I think that

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Speaker 5: if he is found not guilty, they're gonna think that

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Speaker 5: he's the people's champ and Rocky on the steps in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 5: If he's found guilty, they're gonna, you know, be rabbit

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Speaker 5: again about why this system took him on and why

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Speaker 5: it's so patently unfair, you know. And then the last

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Speaker 5: too that one of the arguments from the defense has been, Hey,

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Speaker 5: this is someone who wasn't trying to sway an election

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Speaker 5: or what the voters knew. He was merely doing this

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Speaker 5: to keep it from his family, right, And if we

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Speaker 5: take Donald Trump out of the equation, that's actually a

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Speaker 5: very compelling argument. I don't ever want to give his

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Speaker 5: the lawyers he's been through, he'dn't been through he ran

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Speaker 4: That was a compelling piece for me. And so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: He's seen with his family or wife. I mean.

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Speaker 4: Listen, these people don't care.

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Speaker 5: They think Malayna fly and you know, he got kids

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Speaker 5: it from all them because they don't want them to

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Speaker 5: be more upset. Who knows, But I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 5: figure it out. And so that's the real question. What

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Speaker 5: about the rest of the folks on the fringe? Can

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Speaker 5: they also write it off? Will they also write it up?

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Speaker 5: Or were the facts? Will the facts sway them in

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I think that's because Malanya has been so absent. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you saw tweetledd and tweedled dumb show up. You know,

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Speaker 5: with their their like we are the most loyal to

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Speaker 4: Who are they? I don't think timpany.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it was Laura Trump, Don Junior and

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Speaker 5: Eric That's who I saw.

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Speaker 4: If you saw something different, maybe saw something different. But

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Speaker 4: who which one was tweetledd and which one tweet.

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Speaker 5: Tweetled d is Don tweetled Dom and Eric Trump? Everybody

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Speaker 1: I used to say, and I'm not advocating violence. But

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't when it's a universal belief. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: the bigger challenge here with me is as Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: has been on this trial, his base has not gotten smaller.

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Speaker 5: There were not people to walk away from them, as

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Speaker 5: completely predicted. Nimroda has now said she will vote for

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump. If you were surprised by any of this,

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Speaker 5: you have not been paying attention.

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Speaker 4: I think it is a continuation.

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Speaker 5: Of the erosion in the judicial system. No matter what

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Speaker 5: side of the divide you occupy, we have lost faith

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Speaker 5: in the judiciary. It's not lost on me that this

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Speaker 5: out has come out around Samuel Alito, just as Samuel

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Speaker 5: Alito and his wife apparently looked at Genny Thomas and say,

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Speaker 5: hold my beer, let me get into this. And it

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Speaker 5: just it makes me look at no matter what happens,

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Speaker 5: whatever this outcome is with this trial, the it's like

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Speaker 5: the belief and our functions are are the cornerstones of

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Speaker 5: our democracy are eroding over time. This is the first

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Speaker 5: time something like this has happened. I'll remember, you know.

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Speaker 5: I try to say, like here's something that was happening

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Speaker 5: that history is cyclical. Nothing's new under the sun. So

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Speaker 5: the same thing did happen with Richard Nixon. You know,

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Speaker 5: when his trial was out, it was one thing that

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Speaker 5: was being televised. And now it just seems to me,

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Speaker 5: Angela Andrew, that we have normalized this maniac and his

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Speaker 5: you know, I've said this to you guys privately, but

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Speaker 4: You say democrats?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Tip for that. Save way to go Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Asa, thank you for that as always keeping us on track.

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Speaker 1: So your latest polling, some of y'all have may may

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Speaker 1: Biden's overall approval rating this month tied for the lowest

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Speaker 5: I gotta say, every single time I hear a conversation

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Speaker 1: I just saw Snoopy for some reason show.

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Speaker 5: It's such an inside the bell Way conversation, and the

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Speaker 4: Number one a week is an eternity.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's wrong? Do you think it's not? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think campaigns can pour over polls. I don't understand

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Speaker 4: At this point?

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Speaker 5: We have a nominee, we have a Democratic nominee, we

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Speaker 1: Well, how can I just.

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Speaker 1: I My question is whether you agree with polling, don't

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Speaker 1: I mean I haven't talked to no.

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Speaker 1: So Angel, I'd be curious. I don't know if so

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's I think two things can be true.

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Speaker 5: I think the first thing that I will acknowledge on

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Speaker 5: step further Again, y'all know I was raised activists, so

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Speaker 5: I believe that polling has more to do with sounding

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Speaker 5: because look at your numbers. This is why you need

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Speaker 4: Like, I think it has more to do with sounding

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Speaker 5: I didn't lost my other point. Oh, the last way

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Speaker 5: Andrew was should no matter whether we're considering polls or not,

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Speaker 5: there is there a reason for alarm right now. Absolutely,

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Speaker 5: and I know we're gonna talk about it more in

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Speaker 5: this show. Particularly given what's happening in Gaza, particularly given

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Speaker 5: what's happening with aid to foreign aid to Ukraine and

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Speaker 5: to end to Israel, and what is happening here, there

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Speaker 5: is reason to feel alarm. I feel alarmed personally because I'm,

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Speaker 5: as you guys know, like we have been pushing for

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Speaker 5: this pardon for Marilyn Moseby, and I'm irritated that we

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Speaker 5: haven't even heard really anything concrete from this administration.

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Speaker 4: We have the right to push the administration on.

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Speaker 5: Causes that we care deeply about, and when you're not

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Speaker 5: responsive to those causes, yes, it pisss me off.

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Speaker 4: Yes I'm frustrated. And so there, I don't want.

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Speaker 5: To collapse these really large scale, macro level issues into

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Speaker 5: something small. But that small thing is very meaningful to

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Speaker 5: us in a major way. And so yes, there's a

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Speaker 5: reason there's reason for alarm in in gazillion ways. But yes,

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Speaker 5: I know h and I have a question about that

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Speaker 5: later in the show, Angela, So audience stay tuned, because

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Speaker 5: before we get off air, I want you to explain

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Speaker 5: why a pardon is still needed for Marylyn even though

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Speaker 5: she's not serving in a jail time. A lot of

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Speaker 5: people have asked me about that, and I have questions

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Speaker 5: about it too. But getting back to the subject of Poland,

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Speaker 5: I do think that is like an interesting transition to

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Speaker 5: talk about Gaza, because again, while it does not inform

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Speaker 5: voters well, I think that this administration would be idiotic

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Speaker 5: to not consider how their myopics thont stance on Israel

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Speaker 5: has not had a direct impact on how on the

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Speaker 5: enthusiasm levels of how people feel about voting this November,

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Speaker 5: which is frightening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so polls be damned.

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Speaker 5: I think you should, because I know people going to

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Speaker 5: be mad at me for what I said, But I'm

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Speaker 5: not trying to say polls on I don't like to

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Speaker 5: name the podcast polls by.

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Speaker 1: I think and and of all people who should should

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Speaker 1: have issue with polling. I've been on both sides of

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Speaker 1: those things, and I've seen where they come from. But

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Speaker 1: I will say this, if where people stand and how

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Speaker 1: they feel about a particular issue was derived from what

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Speaker 1: they see on the news, then everybody's hair would be

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Speaker 1: on fire about the Trump trials right now, except that

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Speaker 1: it is hardly registering as it relates to the impact

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Speaker 1: on where he stands with the American I think that's

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Speaker 1: an interesting paradox. I also think it's interesting that, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, the how do you say, the polling around

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Speaker 1: where the American people prioritize what's happening internationally ranks far

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Speaker 1: lower than almost any other issue on the planet. Israel, guys,

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Speaker 1: that comes up only relationship to where American resources should

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Speaker 1: be being spent, otherwise not in overwhelming outrage about what's

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Speaker 1: happening on the ground. And yes, we're going to go

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Speaker 1: to that topic. But I just the reason why. I

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Speaker 1: think I'll offer my take here that the polling does

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Speaker 1: matter in the context of what happens, not just toward

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Speaker 1: the election's outcome, but also towards what steps the administration takes.

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Speaker 1: How hard they go in the paint, for instance, on

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Speaker 1: one side of this conflict. For another, whether or not

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Speaker 1: they talk about wick in a public statement, or rather

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Speaker 1: they put it in a byline of a press release,

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Speaker 1: is in my opinion, in my experience, having run and

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Speaker 1: also served, it is largely driven by the fact that

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Speaker 1: if people aren't talking about it, don't appear concerned about it,

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Speaker 1: And most inputs that give a politician their cues on

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Speaker 1: that is from polling, is because they have learned from

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Speaker 1: the American people that is not important, and therefore they

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Speaker 1: don't talk about it. I have found with almost nearly

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Speaker 1: every politician I've ever worked with, many of them don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily drive new cycles with courageous positions on things. They

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Speaker 1: drive new cycles in reaction to what they think people

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Speaker 1: want to hear or what they think people are most

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Speaker 1: interested in seeing them do. And so I don't want,

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Speaker 1: at least from my perspective, I don't want anyone to

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Speaker 1: think that these things are insignificant, don't matter, only matter

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Speaker 1: with a consultant class. They matter for all of us

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Speaker 1: because they almost always dictate the actions of the peopleeople

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Speaker 1: who are in power, who are making decisions, who are

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Speaker 1: passing laws, who are proposing laws. It has a direct

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Speaker 1: impact on whether or not they do something or they

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Speaker 1: don't do something that's not buying large everybody.

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Speaker 7: But I.

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Speaker 1: Would not look to the political class to be the

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Speaker 1: courageous class. They are almost always the followers of what

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Speaker 1: people on the ground are already doing and are already

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Speaker 1: moving about.

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Speaker 5: I can't say, Andrew, I feel like you're agreeing with

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Speaker 5: my point, like it matters to the politician, not the voter.

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Speaker 4: Like if you're the I think.

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Speaker 1: It matters to the voters. I think it matters to

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Speaker 1: the voters because it dictates the actions of the politician.

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Speaker 4: I agree, this is I agree, but I'm yes, so

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Speaker 4: you're right.

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Speaker 5: It matters to the voters in terms of like, yes,

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Speaker 5: voters should be polled and that info should be shared

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Speaker 5: with politicians. All those things matter. But to lead a

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Speaker 5: newscast or to like make this the headline of like, oh, everybody,

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Speaker 5: here's what the polls say, I would go back to

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Speaker 5: Endela's point. I think that is about consultants, and especially

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Speaker 5: when most times you're not even explaining, like some people

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Speaker 5: don't even know, like this polling outlet is heavily conservative,

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Speaker 5: they skew to the right.

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Speaker 4: Or the way questions are even framed.

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Speaker 5: The question could be like if you can say, well,

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Speaker 5: how do you feel about the Biden administration's handling of Gaza,

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Speaker 5: that's one thing.

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Speaker 4: Or the question could.

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Speaker 5: Be how angry are you about buy on a scale

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Speaker 5: of one to ten, how angry are you about that?

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Speaker 5: That has a completely different sentiment to it when the

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Speaker 5: question is asked. Also, as a politician, you know how

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Speaker 5: focus groups are. When you have a focus group room

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Speaker 5: full of white people, send a white questioner in there

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Speaker 5: to ask them how they feel about something when it's

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Speaker 5: somebody different, so you get different responses, and the same

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Speaker 5: thing happens on the babe. I know, I can tell

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Speaker 5: when I'm talking to somebody who looks like me and

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Speaker 5: when they don't, and it's a different response. So I

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Speaker 5: think you don't want to say it, but I think

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Speaker 5: you are agreeing with me on some level.

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Speaker 1: I would say it if I'm simply saying the reason

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Speaker 1: why it can't be thrown in the trash is because

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Speaker 1: of the power that these instruments are dictating. Well, whichever waylaid.

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Speaker 4: I like this and I'm not even in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason why that can't that, the reason why

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Speaker 1: that cannot happen, and I hope people don't allow it

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Speaker 1: to happen, is because of the effect that it ultimately

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Speaker 1: ultimately has on the body politic and on who gets seen,

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Speaker 1: who gets heard, and who gets the benefit of the

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Speaker 1: actions of politicians because of how they've shown up in

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Speaker 1: these numbers.

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Speaker 5: So we don't even get poll We go hard and

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Speaker 5: we don't even get poll y'all never been precisely and

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Speaker 5: you're saying, Andrew, the way that polls are presented and covered.

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Speaker 5: Now you think the status quo is fine, like the

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Speaker 5: way this works it works.

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Speaker 1: Hell no. But my but my issue isn't on the coverage.

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Speaker 1: The coverage of it, My my, my, My issue with

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Speaker 1: it is if we sumarily dismiss it as being unimportant

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Speaker 1: and only important to a certain class of person, then

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Speaker 1: we suspend with what is the most I think impactful

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Speaker 1: part of this, which is it dictates then actions that

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Speaker 1: people in powered see.

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Speaker 4: There's a balance, there's a balance that if we don't

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Speaker 4: ever get pulled.

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Speaker 1: Then guess who's impacting the decisions that then get made.

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Speaker 1: We had a problem with the way in which posts

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Speaker 1: this so too talked about. Wig. We had an issue

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Speaker 1: on the show you went through and talk to one

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Speaker 1: of your friends from Capitol Hill to find out where

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Speaker 1: to find a particular piece of an important element of

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Speaker 1: the budget. To the audience, to some of the people

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Speaker 1: who listen to to the show, that that was because,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, they are not going to put out

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Speaker 1: press releases. They're not going to put out major statements

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Speaker 1: on pieces that they don't want to get a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention, Tiffany, you say this all the time. They

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Speaker 1: whisper what they're going to do to us, and then

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Speaker 1: they shot from a microphone what they're going to do

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Speaker 1: for others. And I would say the reason why that

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Speaker 1: happens is because they've been given indicators through instruments like

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Speaker 1: polls that say people aren't interested in that they're interested in.

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Speaker 4: Can we do.

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Speaker 5: I would I would like to have I would like

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Speaker 5: to have a native land pod pole. If you're listening, yes,

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Speaker 5: and let us know. I'm trying to tip PSA. So

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Speaker 5: we need a document to go with it. Don't you

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Speaker 5: think like I want to put out a real poll

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Speaker 5: where people like Lolo Loves do Google docs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, go do your BSA, but I want like a

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Speaker 4: fur pole. But let's let let.

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Speaker 1: Why think it would take this much time? I really

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Speaker 1: did it, y'all.

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Speaker 5: It's your fault, Andrew. Anyway, here we go, So everyone,

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Speaker 5: if you're listening, please tune in. We would like to

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Speaker 5: hear from you, not just with video questions. But this

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Speaker 5: time there's gonna be another survey. It's not nick survey.

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Speaker 4: This time we're gonna have.

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Speaker 5: Lo Loo create a Google doc I don't know what's

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Speaker 5: going to be on it, but we want to pull

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Speaker 5: you because you know what, you never get pulled here.

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Speaker 5: You will not be invisible, man Ralph Ellison. Here you

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Speaker 5: are seen.

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Speaker 4: Welcome HOMEO everyone, will you.

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Speaker 1: Take it away? I love that. On to a much

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Speaker 1: more serious node, and that is May twenty fourth, the

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Speaker 1: International Court of Justice ordered Israel to military operations in

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Speaker 1: Rafa and keep the area open as a safe zone.

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Speaker 1: Despite disorder, Israel military launched attacks on a refugee encampment

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Speaker 1: in Rafa, killing nearly forty five people and injuring dozens more.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, May twenty eighth, Israel launched another attack in

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Speaker 1: al mawassee another safe zone, killing twenty one people. As

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Speaker 1: of May twenty first, thirty five five hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: two Palestinians and fourteen hundred seventy eight Israelis have been

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Speaker 1: killed in the war. But sometimes words don't do the

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Speaker 1: significant horror of what's happening there justice. So let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at some of the reporting from the ground.

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Speaker 5: Well, the clip that we just saw was after the

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Speaker 5: IDEF struck an encampment in northwest Rafa, and what you

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Speaker 5: saw visually is people covering bodies, bodies, burning people in

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Speaker 5: like desperate, please for help, trying to administer aid, and

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Speaker 5: yet another air quotes mistake that the government of Israel

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Speaker 5: has called it, and they've made a lot of quote

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Speaker 5: unquote mistakes. I have to say that I think we're

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Speaker 5: looking at close to forty thousand civilians killed at this point,

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Speaker 5: although people on the ground will tell you that number

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Speaker 5: is significantly higher because there are bodies still, according to

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Speaker 5: some reporting, buried beneath rubble in bodies and people who

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Speaker 5: are to this day unaccounted for.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Tiffany. On May twenty first, President

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Speaker 1: Biden made these remarks.

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Speaker 6: We reject the ICC's application for rest warrants against as

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Speaker 6: well as leader. Whatever these warrants may imply, there's no

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Speaker 6: equivalence between Israel and Hamas. It's clear there once to

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Speaker 6: all do all it can to ensure civilian protection. But

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Speaker 6: let me be clear, contrary to allegations against Israel made

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Speaker 6: by the International Court of Justice, what's happening is not genocide.

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Speaker 6: We reject that, and we'll always stand with Israel and

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Speaker 6: the threats against his security.

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Speaker 5: So those are the marks of President Biden that pre

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Speaker 5: dates what we just played the clip we just played

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Speaker 5: of the attack in northwest Rafa. However, I think it's

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Speaker 5: important to note that those re marks were still after

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Speaker 5: many similar events where the IDF had struck civilian camps

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Speaker 5: and killed numerous civilian people in Gaza. So next we're

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Speaker 5: going to hear from John Kirby. John Kirby is the

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Speaker 5: spokesperson press person for the Department of State, and this

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Speaker 5: is a sound from John Kirby.

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Speaker 4: How does this not violate the red line put the

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Speaker 4: President laid out.

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Speaker 1: As I said, we don't want to see a major

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Speaker 1: ground operation.

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Speaker 4: We haven't seen that at this point.

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Speaker 5: How many more.

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Speaker 6: Shard corpses does he have to see before the president

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Speaker 6: considers a change of problem.

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Speaker 4: We don't want to see a single more innocent life taken.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of take a little offense at the question.

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Speaker 1: No civilian casualties is the right number of civilian casualties?

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Speaker 1: If you or right. John Kirby previously was the communications

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Speaker 1: always said the Department of a State. Now he is

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Speaker 1: the National Security Agency spokesperson, which means he's right there

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Speaker 1: in the white Even more important, though, to your point,

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Speaker 1: he's in the belly of the administration's operations, it's thinking,

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Speaker 1: and what it wants to communicate to the world about

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Speaker 1: where the president stands on important issues of national security.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder how how this all sits with you

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Speaker 1: all in it, and I get a sense of how

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Speaker 1: it saysts with people, but I'm curious how it sast

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 4: I'm sick. I like, I literally I cannot.

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Speaker 5: I just I can't make sense of this to me

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Speaker 5: when you say that this doesn't Israel hasn't crossed the

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Speaker 5: red line, because it doesn't, it is not considered a

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Speaker 5: major ground operation. I'm curious to know what a major

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Speaker 5: ground operation is. Is that one hundred people? Is it

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Speaker 5: a thousand people? Is it ten thousand? Is it one

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Speaker 5: hundred thousand? What constitutes a major ground operation when you

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Speaker 5: are fighting people with cannons that have slingshots. I just

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Speaker 5: I don't understand what it takes and how we got here.

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Speaker 5: And I think what I'm more repulsed by is my own.

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Speaker 4: Not apathy.

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Speaker 5: But it feels like there's a callous that's developing over

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Speaker 5: my heart, like it's it's becoming the norm. And I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying enough and I'm not doing enough, and I

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Speaker 5: don't know where to start. And I feel, you know,

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Speaker 5: like I'm so inspired by so many of these young people,

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Speaker 5: but I'm still so frustrated that all of what they've

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Speaker 5: sacrificed has not fallen on deaf ears, but it hasn't

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Speaker 5: risen to the level that has required this administration to

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Speaker 5: really change much. And I just want to know what

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Speaker 5: it will take, what you know, what will cause you

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Speaker 5: to lay you know, campaign donations aside, and lay your

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Speaker 5: commitment to the Iron doma side, and really just move

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Speaker 5: towards peace, you know. I just I am struggling with this.

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Speaker 5: I think about what doctor King was saying about the

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Speaker 5: Vietnam War, and like, how we get to the point

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Speaker 5: where we will literally.

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Speaker 4: Put a hierarchy on lives, you know.

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Speaker 5: Whether I'm not saying that people in Israel should be

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Speaker 5: held hostage, but I also damn sure don't think that

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Speaker 5: these kids deserve to be blown to shreds. Like this

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Speaker 5: is just beyond And I really don't understand how a

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Speaker 5: nation that prides itself on Christian values when they see

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Speaker 5: this type of genocide, because that is exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 5: It is the willful killing of a people who come

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Speaker 5: from a certain group who are made up of certain DNA.

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Speaker 5: That is absolutely what a genocide is. When you see

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Speaker 5: this genocide, how do you square that with your Christian values?

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Speaker 5: Where is your compassion? Where is loving your neighbor as yourself?

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Speaker 5: Is it loving your neighbor as yourself depending on how

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Speaker 5: much they can donate? Is it loving your neighbor as yourself?

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Speaker 5: Depending on if they're part of a promised land that

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Speaker 5: you have somehow warped the Bible into talking about, Like

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Speaker 5: I just so, I think it's a highlight of how

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Speaker 5: tone deaf this administration is. Even for John Kirby to

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Speaker 5: be offended at the question, you know, it highlights such

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Speaker 5: a disconnect with voters and answers one hundred percent right,

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Speaker 5: we are witnessing genocide now. I do want to point

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Speaker 5: out that Israel and Rapha and Gaza is not the

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Speaker 5: only place where this type of devastating conflict is happening.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of people ask, why don't you talk

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Speaker 5: about this, Why don't you talk about that? We are

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Speaker 5: very where. Obviously we know what's happening in Haiti. Obviously

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Speaker 5: I'm super well ran on what's happening in the Democratic

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Speaker 5: Republic of Congo. I'm very well aware of the conflict's

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Speaker 5: happening in Nigeria all throughout the continent Sudan, clearly aware

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Speaker 5: why this is so important and why this matters greatly,

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Speaker 5: not that the other conflicts don't matter, but why the

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Speaker 5: US has a keen interest here is because we're talking

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Speaker 5: about nuclear powers.

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Speaker 4: Israel is a nuclear power.

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Speaker 5: And so I think President Biden is trying to tread lightly.

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Speaker 5: I think it is as much about the votes as

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Speaker 5: it is about global diplomacy and the shift that we

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Speaker 5: see happening among superpowers, because there are some strange bedfellows

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Speaker 5: making new friends on this stage. And I think netn

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Speaker 5: Yahoo is such a Zionist, he is so laser focused

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Speaker 5: on eradicating the Palestinian people from this territory that he

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Speaker 5: is willing to make friends with anybody. So if he

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Speaker 5: loses this big brother of the United States, where might

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Speaker 5: he turn? What other nuclear powers might he turn to

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Speaker 5: to gain funding and to continue in this I think

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Speaker 5: heartless inhumane effort that we've seen. I think another interesting

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Speaker 5: thing that has happened in the United States, which I

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Speaker 5: greatly applaud. It used to be taboo. You couldnot say anything.

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Speaker 5: People would conflate Jewish people, the idea and the Israeli

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Speaker 5: government and make them one. And you cannot do that anymore.

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Speaker 5: You cannot cancel people. You simply do not have the

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Speaker 5: control to do that. There are Jewish people among the protesters.

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Speaker 5: So you cannot say everyone who disagrees with the actions

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Speaker 5: of the Israeli government when it comes to murdering civilians,

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Speaker 5: women and children, that you're anti Semitic. Not true. I

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Speaker 5: rebuke that wholeheartedly. Obviously we don't support anti Semitism. We're

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Speaker 5: seeing something completely different. And then when you see people

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Speaker 5: speaking out about it and people showing you what you

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Speaker 5: don't see. This is the American media, but social media

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Speaker 5: has democratized who has a voice, and so we see

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Speaker 5: numerous videos of you cannot tell them, don't tell me,

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Speaker 5: don't believe my lion eyes and lioneers, because we're seeing

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Speaker 5: it with our own eyes. We have seen decapitated children,

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Speaker 5: we have seen charred bodies, we have seen lifeless We've

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Speaker 5: saw a grandmother get shot to death while trying to

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Speaker 5: take her grandchild to safety. And so I think as

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Speaker 5: long as this administration has been willfully ignorant to the

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Speaker 5: cries of the people, on the ground, who are their voters?

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Speaker 5: And these cries have extended across the globe. At this point,

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Speaker 5: the entire world is looking at Net and Yahoo and

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Speaker 5: the atrocities that the IDF is committed on behalf of

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Speaker 5: Net and Yahoo with utter disgust, and who is funding

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Speaker 5: that the United States? There is the other side, Andrew,

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Speaker 5: where you have to consider, well, I'm so mad, I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to vote for Biden. What do you think

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Speaker 5: is going to happen under a second term Donald Trump presidency?

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Speaker 5: So I fully understand people's frustration, but apathy or a

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Speaker 5: protest vote and all those things, I don't think you

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Speaker 5: will get the intended outcome with what was making that move.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I appreciate the heartfelt, brilliant nature of

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Speaker 1: both y'all's comments and Angela in her conversation basically defined

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Speaker 1: what genocide is, but just definitionally and it doesn't vary

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Speaker 1: really much. From what she said, is the deliberate killing

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Speaker 1: of a large number of people from a particular nation

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Speaker 1: or ethnic group with the aim of destroying the nation

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Speaker 1: or group I mean, and quite frankly, it's exactly what

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Speaker 1: jihad is. When when certain Islamic leaders who are anti

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Speaker 1: a Muslim state, say they aught to commit jihad against

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Speaker 1: islamita I mean against against Israelis. It is to wipe

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Speaker 1: it out as a as as a group. And the

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Speaker 1: reason I believe it requires serious interrogation by the United

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Speaker 1: States government. The veracity of these of these charges is

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Speaker 1: because the net and Yahoo government appears to be increasingly

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Speaker 1: packed with race bigots who and I'm not making this up.

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Speaker 1: This is this is. This has been reported in in

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Speaker 1: uh in Jewish sources, both in Israel as well as

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Speaker 1: here in the United States and all across the globe.

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Speaker 1: And if and if the US government was full of that,

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Speaker 1: we could truly identify as as full of racists persecuting

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Speaker 1: racist policies with the goal of extinguishing black people in

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Speaker 1: this country, we would call it what it is, or

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Speaker 1: any group of people in this country. So I don't

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Speaker 1: it's so serious that this isn't the this isn't a

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Speaker 1: matter of name calling. We're trying to get to the

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Speaker 1: crux of what is going on. And Biden, as the

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Speaker 1: President of the United States and considerably considered by many

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Speaker 1: nations in the world as a moral leader, if not

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Speaker 1: the principled, then moral leader among democracies can't seriously reckon

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Speaker 1: with this, while at the same time saying Israel has

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Speaker 1: a to defend itself. I don't, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where that leaves us. And the and the horrible

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Speaker 1: part that I feel about this, y'all, is that it

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Speaker 1: will be in somebody's memoirs, long after they have served

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Speaker 1: and had an ability to impact what's happening today that

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Speaker 1: we learn about regret and a decision that should have

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Speaker 1: been made that wasn't. And and the truth of that

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Speaker 1: matter is, is it ain't worth the paper it is

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Speaker 1: printed on. After you leave a position where you can

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Speaker 1: do something and to a place where all you can

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Speaker 1: do is opine on your mistakes. Tiffany, you you broached

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Speaker 1: where we want to go I think next. And we've

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Speaker 1: heard this and in many ways are pushed thereby our

840
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Speaker 1: listeners themselves, who have some interesting queries around how we

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Speaker 1: reconcile the totality of the Biden agenda, what we're experiencing

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Speaker 1: and seeing today, with how they are supposed to perform,

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Speaker 1: how they're supposed to show up and if they are

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Speaker 1: supposed to show up, or we'll play some bill and

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Speaker 1: meet you on the other.

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Speaker 7: Side High Native Land Podcast.

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Speaker 8: My name is ben Na Guha and I'm a South

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Speaker 8: Asian artist here in New York City. So I'm trying

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Speaker 8: to think about ways to convince.

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Speaker 4: My friends who vound.

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Speaker 8: Not to vote for Biden, how to convince them that

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Speaker 8: that's a mistake I hate. And I'm so disappointed by

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Speaker 8: everything Biden is choosing to do in terms of foreign relations,

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Speaker 8: in terms of his weird loyalty to Israel, because god damn,

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Speaker 8: if children dying doesn't change your mind, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what will.

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Speaker 8: But that being said, Trump is worse, and so I'm

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Speaker 8: trying to figure out how to talk to people about

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Speaker 8: it without dismissing the consciousness and their spirit. And I

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Speaker 8: think it's being handled in a really irresponsible way when

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Speaker 8: people ask the same question because they're like, you know,

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Speaker 8: shaming people for not.

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Speaker 4: Liking Biden right now, and it's like, can you blame people?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 8: But there's still a strategic choice here, and I need language,

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Speaker 8: and I was hoping y'all can help me with that.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, And she wasn't alone. Let's hear from another listener.

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Speaker 9: What's good in NLP. My name is Luke Isaac. I'm

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Speaker 9: a twenty five year old from Memphis, Tennessee, and I

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Speaker 9: wanted to ask y'all this as far as Biden, where

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Speaker 9: is his core base, where's the voters that are in

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Speaker 9: his back pocket? Because the people I'm around are either

873
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 9: older black and brown people that are tired of the

874
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 9: amount of money that is getting.

875
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: Sent to Ukraine leaders read a room.

876
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 9: They don't feel like there's an equal amount of money

877
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 9: flowing through our community to.

878
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: Lift us up.

879
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 9: And then it's younger people that are around my age,

880
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 9: college students that are fed up with the amount of

881
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 9: money going to Israel.

882
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: These are things that will stuck people from building for

883
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: you and need to give me. It's like that administration

884
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to get that. So I would to ask

885
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: you all who is the fourth because I don't have

886
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: any real Biden fans right now, and I'm kind of

887
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: getting worried because it's looking like Trump is going to

888
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: be on some unconstitutional and mass deportation stuff and I

889
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: can support that either. So I would be honest with you,

890
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: I'm leaning towards Team Couch And I know y'all hate

891
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: to hear that. I'm so sorry to say it, but

892
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: that's that's where I'm at.

893
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: These are two really thoughtful I thought, and consider it

894
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: comment slash questions, and it really gets us to a

895
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: theme that we've been hearing, I think, rather repeatedly, which

896
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: is this whole idea of the lesser of two evils

897
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: when you consider Biden the Trump and the question around

898
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: who is Biden's people, who are his base? Who is

899
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: coming with him? I thought was really interesting and I

900
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: thought rather informed analysis that you hear from some older folks. Look,

901
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: we sent it too much money to Ukraine and this

902
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: why should we be concerned? And you hear obviously across

903
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: college campuses in many communities, you know, just being fed up,

904
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: fed up to the point of protests and and and

905
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: and The truth is is the movement against the Vietnam

906
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: more started somewhere right, and and and and and and

907
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to see where this goes. But the

908
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: lesser of two evils, how do we help listeners think

909
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: through how they're to talk about this with with friends

910
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: and family. I guess the first thing I say is honestly,

911
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: and that can be painful. What do y'all think?

912
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 5: Well, I think those are two very different questions because

913
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 5: I think the last guy was asking who is Biden's base,

914
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: and I think all three of us can say in unison,

915
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 5: Biden's base looks like us. And that's something that unfortunately

916
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 5: this administration seems to be reminded need to be reminded

917
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 5: of a lot, which is pretty frustrating. Biden's base is

918
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 5: not the nicky Hayley voter that they seem hell bent.

919
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 5: Ongoing after to the first Young Ladies question around what

920
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 5: do we say to peopeople? Look, I have to say we,

921
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 5: as black and brown folks in this country, we have

922
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 5: never had the privilege of being single issue voters. We

923
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 5: just cannot afford that. Yes, I want to add to

924
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 5: y'all think that there has ever been a candidate that

925
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: stood with me on every single thing I believe in,

926
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 5: and if they didn't, I had the privilege to say,

927
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 5: oh well, oh well, I'm just gonna go vote for

928
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 5: somebody else, or I'm not going to vote. We just

929
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 5: don't have that privilege. But I say that understanding that

930
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 5: there are many people, particularly people who are Palestinian in

931
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 5: this country. It would be really hard for you to

932
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 5: ask me to vote for somebody who is killing or

933
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 5: funding the killing of my people. So I don't want

934
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 5: to dismiss that frustration from people. And the truth is

935
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 5: I have no words. I have no words for somebody

936
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 5: who is saying, you're killing my family, You're killing people

937
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 5: who look like me. I don't have any encouragement there

938
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: for a lot of other people. I understand that you

939
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 5: want to stand in solidarity and that we all in unison, crying,

940
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 5: screaming from the mountaintops. This is genocide. We don't like it. However,

941
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 5: this policy will not change under Donald Trump. If you

942
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 5: think Donald Trump is gonna stop funding Israel, you are wrong.

943
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 5: He has said publicly, he has pledged to support publicly

944
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 5: to net and Yahoo and to the Israel State, and

945
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 5: has supported what he's seen happen in Israel. So to me,

946
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 5: it's it's pretty simple. I would also advise the young

947
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 5: woman to focus on policies that the Biden administration has

948
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 5: administered and has gotten passed through Congress that has benefited

949
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 5: people of color, because there have been many policies that

950
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 5: we benefit from that It might not be a parent

951
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 5: and it might not be as tangible in your life tomorrow,

952
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 5: but but for sure, there's been policies of this administration

953
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 5: as instituted that we benefit from. You know, I I

954
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 5: think that these are related in part because what I

955
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 5: think that I hear our folks wrestling with a lot

956
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 5: is not feeling the support from an administration that we

957
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 5: know that we help to not just elect, but prop up.

958
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 5: And so when you can see the billions of dollars

959
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 5: going in foreign aid not just because of what Joe

960
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 5: Biden is doing, but because of what the Republican led

961
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 5: House and the Democratic led barely but Senate is doing,

962
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 5: it's it's hard to not feel invisible in that, and

963
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 5: it's hard to get people motivated when you're like, Okay,

964
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: where do I really align with you on the issues?

965
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 5: And frankly, I think what is really tough is in

966
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 5: the middle of having this conversation right after RAFA, you

967
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 5: really have to think about if the achievements that they've touted,

968
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: especially during the you know, the Black History Month fact sheet,

969
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 5: are commensurate with what they're asking us to do or

970
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 5: what they asked us to do in twenty twenty, which

971
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 5: was to risk our lives in a pandemic to go

972
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: out and vote. Has this administration been radical or courageous

973
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 5: enough to garner that same support? And I think that

974
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 5: they still got some work to do. I don't think

975
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 5: it's over. I think that there's still a possibility. But

976
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 5: I will tell you, after seeing what we witnessed today

977
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 5: and what we've been witnessing over the last several days,

978
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 5: it's really tough. And I don't want to make it

979
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 5: seem to our listeners like we don't carefully think, calculate, debate,

980
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 5: analyze every aspect of this every time we sit down,

981
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 5: you know, Like I don't think that it would be

982
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 5: honest for me to say I've never thought about who

983
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 5: the hell else could run? Like that really has been

984
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 5: my thought, Like why are why? How do we get

985
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 5: stuck here? This election feels like to me, y'all are

986
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 5: gonna laugh because I wasn't even registered yet. But when

987
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 5: I was in the third grade, Michael Dukakis was running

988
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 5: George H. W. Bush, and I went to vote with

989
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: my parents every election. And I remember that year we

990
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 5: had like a foe election in the third grade and

991
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 5: that was the one time I went to the polls

992
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 5: with my parents and I was like, I really am

993
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 5: not excited about this. I was like, what happened to

994
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 5: Jesse Jackson? Like where do you go? And I feel

995
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 5: that in the same way. Now, it's like, this is

996
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 5: not what I signed up for. When I think about

997
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 5: how elated I was to champion Kamala Harris being the

998
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 5: vice president on this ticket, this is not what I expected.

999
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 4: I would like to hear so much more from her.

1000
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 4: I would.

1001
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 5: I know that she is challenging this president to do

1002
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 5: something different. I want to see that challenge. I don't

1003
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 5: think that when you are in partnership, whether it's in

1004
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 5: a marriage, it's at your church home, it's on a

1005
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 5: board of a corporation, it's you know, nonprofit leaders, I

1006
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 5: don't care where you are, it is okay to disagree,

1007
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 5: and I think sometimes that is what makes partnership stronger.

1008
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 5: I want to see that. I feel like I'm all

1009
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 5: over the place. But my point is I am not

1010
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 5: happy right now, and that is my true and I

1011
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 5: know that in some ways there are folks who are

1012
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 5: going to watch this and feel like I'm being remarkably irresponsible.

1013
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: To me at this point, I feel like.

1014
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 5: What would be remarkably irresponsible is to pretend like this

1015
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 5: isn't a very challenging calculation to make right now. This

1016
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 5: is hard, it's not easy, and I still know where

1017
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 5: my vote is going in the fall, it is with

1018
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 5: the Biden Harris ticket, unless there's some crazy thing that happens, happens.

1019
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 4: At the convention and somebody else becomes is on the ticket.

1020
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 4: But I am not voting for Donald Trump.

1021
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 5: Remember he's still the guy that was in charge of

1022
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 5: the Muslim band and put Jared Kushner over Israeli relations.

1023
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 4: So there's that that's real.

1024
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, I agree, given the clips from RAFA and

1025
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: what we talked about just in this episode, I don't

1026
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: want to dismiss anybody. And there hesitant resistance toward voting

1027
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: for an administration where on an issue in particular you

1028
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: feel heart wrenched about and and just utterly destroyed inside.

1029
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: And folks don't have to look like you in order

1030
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: for you to have that emotional reaction to just senseless

1031
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: and aimless killing. But I approach voting like I do

1032
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: anything I would do strategically. You know, it used to

1033
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: be said that you plan your work, and you work

1034
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: your plan with a protest vote, with choosing to sit

1035
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: on the couch those our lives don't afford us the

1036
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: emotional reaction of I'm just gonna sit it out and

1037
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: let what happened happens because what happened happens. What happened

1038
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: to you and to your family and the people you

1039
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: care about in the neighborhood you live in, and the

1040
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: folks who you grew up with, your mother, your father,

1041
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: your siblings, your children. There are higher stakes here. And

1042
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm just so glad that we didn't have protesters in

1043
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: the Midnight eighteen in the late nineteen fifties and early

1044
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: sixties who said we didn't get our way politically or otherwise,

1045
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: and so we're going to sit home. No, when they

1046
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: decided they were going to sit home, it was strategic.

1047
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: They sat home to extract something from the system that

1048
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: under normal conditions, the system wasn't rendering to them. And

1049
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: they didn't do that at the ballot box. They did

1050
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: that when they came to sitting outside of the bus

1051
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: or walking next to the bus and not on it

1052
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: until we could extract what we needed from that system.

1053
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: That was strategic, that was thoughtful, and it yielded over

1054
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: time the response that we know we needed. We require

1055
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: when you go to a job and you're depending on

1056
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: that job for a wage to take home to take

1057
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: care of yourself and your family, just because you had

1058
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: a bad day and a bad experience. By and large,

1059
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: most of us just don't quit that day. If we

1060
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: even think about quitting, we start to lay a plan.

1061
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 1: We started to talk to some people and figure out, well,

1062
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: so I can go. And when you go in to

1063
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: lay that Trump Trump card down, no pun intended, I'm

1064
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: out of here. I quit. You got another plan in

1065
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: place to take care of yourself and your family. It's strategic,

1066
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: it's thoughtful, it's it's planning your work and working your plan.

1067
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: And so know, there is not some heart you know,

1068
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: heartfelt story that I can offer to say, compromise on

1069
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: your value on this issue so that you can win

1070
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: temperamentally on this one. But unfortunately politics and the science

1071
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: of it and the way elections work, certainly in this

1072
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: country is it's usually a dichotomy. One of the two

1073
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: people was going to win. And when you size them up,

1074
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: if one is on a whole nother plan in universe,

1075
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: bad that ought to make it up for you right

1076
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: then and there. So we may not be able to

1077
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: go to our families this time and say hope and

1078
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: change and things are going to be radically you know different.

1079
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, as a result, of this. But guess what,

1080
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: Joe Biden doesn't cause my blood pressure to rise. He

1081
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, the excitement isn't you know? There? But I

1082
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: tell you I don't have I have not always been

1083
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: excited about the choices I've had to make. I've had

1084
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: to make them anyway, and so in this case, I

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Speaker 1: just think this is this is one of those places

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Speaker 1: where we're going to have to do what needs to

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Speaker 1: be done because the situation makes it necessary, and in

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Speaker 1: this case, the situation makes it necessary for me.

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Speaker 4: I just have a quick question for you, because I

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Speaker 4: know we're way over.

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Speaker 5: If you put yourselves in the shoes of the Palestinian people.

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking about Linda, I'm thinking about Rashida, who both

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Speaker 5: still have family members there, and it was our people killed,

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Speaker 5: you know, to the tune of over forty thousand. Where

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Speaker 5: do you think you would land? Yeah, that was the

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Speaker 5: point I just made. If they were killing people like me,

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to vote. So I understand completely

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Speaker 5: youresent referencing Linda Sarsauer, who's an activist in Congressman Rashida

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Speaker 5: Telib from Michigan, who was instituted in the protest vote

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Speaker 5: during the primary and she's made comments like we're not

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Speaker 5: going to forget this in November.

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Speaker 4: It's hard for me.

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Speaker 5: I could never ask somebody who is personally impacted, and

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Speaker 5: these are you know, community members and friends and family,

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Speaker 5: it would be incredibly hard. I could not vote for

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Speaker 5: this administration. I could not, and I understand that Trump

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01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 5: is a much worse scenario. But if it's my family

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 5: and my people's people who look like me, I don't

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Speaker 5: think i'd be able to which I don't know what

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Speaker 5: that says about me or us or other people who

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01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 5: feel that way. Because I have empathy and I'm in

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Speaker 5: solidarity with the Palestinian people who are being slaughtered. I

1113
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 5: am not willing at this point to not vote for

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Speaker 5: the Biden administration just because I am terribly fearful it's

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01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 5: not my people right now. Under a Trump administration, it

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01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 5: was my people, and it very well could be my

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01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 5: people again. So that's why I'm voting for the Biden

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Speaker 5: Here is to get.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't guilt anybody on that, Angela giving your setup,

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Speaker 1: but I think we all have a role to play.

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01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: And just like in relationships, some days we fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty and other days we're seventy thirty and some days

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Speaker 1: we ninety ten. And I guess what that means for

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01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: the rest of us who aren't at the intersection of

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Speaker 1: the impact in quite the same way as somebody who's

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Speaker 1: got a family member, friend, relative who's being slaughter right now,

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Speaker 1: I think we have to lean in and maybe this

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Speaker 1: requires your ninety ten. Maybe you got to show up

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01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: for that person who cannot in good conscience do it

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01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: for themselves, because we know that the outcome could be

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01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: not could would be worse. Angelae, you referenced it. Trump's

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01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: first attack in office was against Muslim countries. Yeah, what

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01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: do you think he would do? Carpet bomb? Of course?

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Speaker 1: And do you think he'd have sour words for nothing? Now? Who?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so so. But but that's not an

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01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: argument that I think could be made necessarily to a

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Speaker 1: person whose family sits at the intersection.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, it's like, how do you how do you

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01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 5: tell them about it? If when right now is the present?

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01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 5: And then what is our obligation then to these folks

1141
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 5: who were saying, like, Okay, well I would move different

1142
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 5: if these were I'm not saying everybody's saying that, but

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01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 5: I kind of feel like that too. I would move

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01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 5: different if this was my people. If I'm not moving

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 5: different because it's not my people, then what is my

1146
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 5: obligation to my friends who I'm allegedly standing in solidarity with?

1147
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 5: Do I push this administration harder? Have I done all

1148
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 5: I can to advocate for what is right? And I

1149
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 5: would tell you the answers no? So what am I doing?

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Speaker 4: If I? If I?

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01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 5: If I'm saying ultimately in November, I know that we've

1152
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 5: you know, this country slaughtered thousands of people who look

1153
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Speaker 5: like you, including your family members.

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Speaker 4: But I need you to fall in line.

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Speaker 5: And don't get out of line in November and cast

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Speaker 5: that ballot.

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01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 4: What am I going to do to make it easier

1158
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 4: for them to cast that ballot? And I haven't done that.

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 4: I haven't done that.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying I have not done that. That is

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Speaker 5: not okay? Would I need to what would I need

1162
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 5: to hear to be okay with that? And I don't

1163
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 5: know what it is. I'm not trying to get people

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 5: to sit at home. What I'm really trying to do,

1165
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 5: because people get confused sometimes, is stretch us. Our political engagement.

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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 5: Our activism has to go beyond the ballot box. If

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01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 5: it doesn't, fewer and fewer and fewer people will show

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01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 5: up to the ballot box.

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Speaker 4: Our obligation to our fellow citizens and.

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Speaker 5: These people who we love is to make sure that

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01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 5: it is not just palatable for them. It's not just tolerable.

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01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 5: It's not just they hold their nose and vote. It

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 5: should be something that is that they do exuberantly, and

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01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 5: right now they can't because their lives are literally on

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 5: the line. They're not casting a vote for survival. They're

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 5: casting a vote for a less li less genocide. Come on, y'all,

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 5: like we got we owe them better than that. Like,

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 5: what can we do to push this administration to say

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Speaker 5: it's not this is not sufficient.

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01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 4: Your red line is up, Fix your red line, move it.

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Speaker 5: Because what you're doing if it were, if the shoe

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Speaker 5: was on the other foot, if it was thirty thousand

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01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 5: people Israeli's killed, there would be a World War three

1184
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Speaker 5: starting right now.

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01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 4: True, So what are we doing.

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 5: We can't keep saying that there's no value on the

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01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: lives lost and there's and then do something completely It's

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01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 5: not okay. I just morally I'm not okay with it.

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Speaker 5: So I want to figure out what we can do

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Speaker 5: to push this administration to do right by these folks,

1191
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 5: because right now it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's wrong, Angela. I just think we may talk about

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01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: voting as the only layer of innervision and protection, but

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: it's not. There's several guess what, there's a convention coming

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: this summer. Shut that bitch down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you get.

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01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: No houses, you don't.

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Speaker 4: How let's go back to Chicago protests? You mean literally

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Speaker 4: and it will be in Chicago protest ja. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All I'm saying is there are a lot of ways

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01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: to impact upon the process. I consider the option of

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01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: not voting, the nuclear option, and guess what, sometimes there

1203
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: is in case of emergency break lass and then there's that.

1204
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: But I can't also, in good conscience, knowing that elections

1205
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: have have consequences, advise anybody who cares about the plight

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01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: of the Palestinian people and what's happening to sit on

1207
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: the couch. Yeah, ok, either just that doesn't work.

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Speaker 5: There's the thing is there keeps being for those who

1209
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 5: are more politically astute, there keeps being this conversation about

1210
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 5: just sitting out the election, and that's irresponsible because there

1211
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 5: are four five, six, seven, eight, nine ten steps we

1212
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 5: can take before that. And I think that it would

1213
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 5: be really smart for us, And maybe it's another podcast

1214
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 5: because I know we're so over, but it would be

1215
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 5: really smart for us to talk about what some of

1216
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 5: those options are. Is there a letter writing campaign to

1217
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 5: the Biden administration? Can you call on your members of

1218
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 5: Congress to sit down and have a real meeting, have

1219
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 5: Biden come to the hill and talk about what his

1220
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 5: strategy is, and really give him what is the new

1221
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 5: red line? What should the line be? It should be

1222
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 5: not another live loss. Is that something that.

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Speaker 4: We should be helping to orchestrate on this podcast?

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01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 5: This is he said it was a red line if

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Speaker 5: it was American lives. Well, we saw what happened with

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01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 5: Jose Andres and that wasn't a red line.

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Speaker 4: The red line is going to keep moving, That's my point.

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Speaker 5: And so if the red line keeps moving, then is

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01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 5: it up to the voter to say, no, this is

1230
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 5: our red line. You better not cross this red line.

1231
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 5: And that is what I'm really asking. Maybe that is

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 5: what we need to show because these again, these kids,

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01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 5: they will their graduation on the line, and there whether

1234
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 5: or not they're suspended from school. People are laying their

1235
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 5: jobs on the line. Folks are literally being ostracized because

1236
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 5: of taking these positions. But this is a human rights issue.

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01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 5: And how dare we have another MLK holiday where we're

1238
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 5: quoting this man and act like this isn't everything that

1239
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 5: he stood for. And to your point, Andrew, Chicago is

1240
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 5: a great place, but there are a number of steps

1241
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 5: that could be taken in terms of organizing people and

1242
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 5: bodies even before that point.

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Speaker 4: But it's a great place before November. We have a

1244
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 4: whole summer to figure this out, and we need to

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01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 4: figure it out this summer. I really do believe that.

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you. I will

1247
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: just say, doctor King never ever told any about it

1248
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: not to vote right and in the fight for our humanity,

1249
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: in the fight for us to be seen as human,

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,919
Speaker 1: and I think the same fight it can be attributed

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01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: here to see my life as valuable. Yeah, there were

1252
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: steps that were taken in much sacrifice, but never was

1253
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: it an option to sit out the election.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I hope nobody hears me saying that. How

1255
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 5: was I saying I hope nobody hears me saying that

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01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 5: I did not.

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01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: No, I'm not attributing that to you. That's not no, no, no,

1258
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm not attributing that to you. I'm simply saying no, no,

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01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: in the myriad of things that can be done, I'm

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01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: simply saying that if we nothing, Tiffany, you said in

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: this episode, nothing new is ever really new, right, It's

1262
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: been done before. And all I'm saying is, let's reflect

1263
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: on the successful movements of our past as instruction as

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01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: guidance for what could be done to help move us

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: along on this one. Progress can be had, I believe that.

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01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: But but consider voting and not voting as a nuclear option.

1267
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: It is not a first place of resource for people

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: who frankly are co opting what is a tragic moment

1269
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: in history as an excuse to be lazy. Yeah, that

1270
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: ain't everybody, But I hear folks who don't show up

1271
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: for nothing out here talking about not voting and and

1272
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: and and attributing certain things. Is any excuse when it

1273
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: wasn't your plan to get out there anyway? Don't co

1274
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: opt this moment for some bull Yeah, y'all, I know

1275
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: it deserves a lot more conversation, and I think I

1276
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: appreciate us all leaning in to try to participate in

1277
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: this one, and ANGELI accept your challenging us thinking through

1278
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: what role we might be able to play, you know,

1279
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: going forward. Let's take a break and when we come back,

1280
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: we'll talk about what our admonishments might be to the listeners.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, y'all.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be native Lampard if we didn't conclude today's episode,

1283
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: as heavy as it may have been, with our calls

1284
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: to action for what we could do right where we

1285
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: are to make a difference. Angela, you want to go first.

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01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 4: Sure.

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 5: I just want to first tell you all thank you

1288
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 5: tiff and Andrew, because it's been a really heavy, long

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 5: few weeks.

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01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 4: Y'all have dealt with me with two or three hours

1291
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 4: of sleep and grouchiness.

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 5: Nick.

1293
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: I was grouchy like our producer Nick at one time,

1294
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 4: but every day.

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 5: And I just want to shout out our dear sister

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01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 5: Marilyn Moseby, whose grandmother's in hospice care right now. As

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Speaker 5: you all know, the government spent millions of taxpayer dollars

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Speaker 5: to give her an ankle bracelet that's not from Tiffany's,

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Speaker 5: to have her on home confinement basically with a lot

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Speaker 5: of latitude, but I believe that that is still not freedom.

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Speaker 5: And when you haven't broken the law and you have

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Speaker 5: been targeted, you probably shouldn't be confined in that way. So,

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Speaker 5: even though some folks are curious about why we're still

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Speaker 5: pushing for Maryland's freedom her like complete liberation, and still

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Speaker 5: pushing for a complete and full presidential pardon, this is

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Speaker 5: the reason why she did not break the law. And

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Speaker 5: despite how the government has tried to paint that inaccuracy

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Speaker 5: and press releases from the Department of Justice at nauseum

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Speaker 5: and even in this trial, I hope you will still

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Speaker 5: stand with us. We are closer to one hundred thousand

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Speaker 5: signatures on the petition. Shout out again to Tiff and

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Speaker 5: Andrew for allowing us to hold that petition with color

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Speaker 5: of change. But I would love for you all to

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Speaker 5: continue to sign on, continue to call the White House

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Speaker 5: and ask when that pardon will happen again. This is

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Speaker 5: one of those things that this administration can do to

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Speaker 5: demonstrate that it stands with black folks overall, and folks

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Speaker 5: who work to ensure that the justice system is far

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Speaker 5: more balanced, and Maryland is certainly one of those champions

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Speaker 5: for us. So that is my ask. Go to Justice

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Speaker 5: for Maryland moosb dot com dot today and sign that petition.

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Speaker 1: Love that. Thank you Angela, tiff what you got?

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Speaker 5: I mean in essence of time, because they're so over.

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Speaker 5: I defer to Angela's call to action and whatever you're

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Speaker 5: about to give us, Andrew, I say, follow whatever Andrew

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Speaker 5: and Angela say this.

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Speaker 1: Week's and let's let's put that in marble, because Tiffan

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Speaker 1: ain't ever by dev to follow us. No, of course

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Speaker 1: I'm jesting, but but honestly, all praise and thanks to

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Speaker 1: you Angela for the champions work that you did and

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Speaker 1: picking this and wrangling it. Everybody needs a friend like

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Speaker 1: you and my CTA. Y'all actually change from what I

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Speaker 1: thought when we started and where it ends is. I

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Speaker 1: would like y'all to help us think through offering suggestions

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Speaker 1: around strategies that we might pursue to get an administration

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Speaker 1: that we voted for to do what we want them

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Speaker 1: to do, short of pulling the nuclear option of not voting. So,

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Speaker 1: if you've got an idea, a suggestion, a thought, put

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Speaker 1: it in our feed our comments, do a video. What

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Speaker 1: are the options you would consider before you would quit

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Speaker 1: your job? What are the options you would consider before

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Speaker 1: you would in significant ways shift your family and re

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Speaker 1: action to a thing an action of something. Just give

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Speaker 1: us your ideas for what we as a community could

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Speaker 1: consider doing before we decide to sit in an election house.

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Speaker 1: Before we in the show, I want to remind everyone

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Speaker 1: to leave us a review and subscribe to Native Lamp Pod.

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Speaker 1: We're available on all platforms and of course YouTube where

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Speaker 1: you can see us. New episodes drop every Thursday. You

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Speaker 1: can also follow us on social media. We are at

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Speaker 1: Angela Rae, Tiffany cross In, Andrew Gillim and we just

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Speaker 1: want to say welcome home everybody. There are one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty nine days until election day.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining the Natives. Attention to what the

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Speaker 3: info and all of the latest rock, Gulum and cross

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Speaker 3: connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.

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Speaker 3: Thank you sincerely for the pass reason for your choice

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Speaker 3: is cleared. So grateful to execute, road for serve, defend

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Speaker 3: and protect the truth. For a walk a home all

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Speaker 3: of the Natives.

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Speaker 1: We thank you.

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Speaker 4: Welcomes.

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