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Speaker 2: My next guest is a Los Angeles based television and

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Speaker 2: film composed I Love This Dude, songwriter, producer and founder

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Speaker 2: of CEO of True Music, a prominent music licensing company.

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Speaker 2: I was introduced to him when he was composed of

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Speaker 2: the day. He has scored more Dan we mad On Sister.

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Speaker 2: He has scored more prime time television series than any

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Speaker 3: Please welcome to Might to make a conversation my man.

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Speaker 4: Kurt Farqua, how you doing Rushan kirk Man.

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Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations man, congratulations first of all for

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Speaker 2: standing in the game and stand relevant. Man.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about how are you accomplishing that?

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Speaker 4: Kirk? Well, you know, I always tell people part of

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Speaker 4: it is is a bit of luck, and you shouldn't

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Speaker 4: you shouldn't look left at having a little bit of

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Speaker 4: luck in your life. But also it's just keeping uh,

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Speaker 4: staying focused and keeping yourself up to date as to

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Speaker 4: what the changes are that are going on in your business.

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean, every business goes through through changes.

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Speaker 4: I mean when you mentioned Meet Me back on Malaysia

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Speaker 4: and The Sister and One on One, all those types

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Speaker 4: of shows, well those are all multiicam sitcoms. And I realized,

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Speaker 4: I realized back in the early two thousands that that

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Speaker 4: was that that looked like it was changing, That looked

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Speaker 4: like it was changing, And you realized that that was

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Speaker 4: at that point that was ninety eight percent of my business. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and as a and as an art form, it was

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Speaker 4: going away. And I just made I made the changes

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Speaker 4: in my business to a mile to get myself into

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Speaker 4: hour long dramatic series, to get myself into the single

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Speaker 4: cam versions of comedies to get myself in to hour longs.

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Speaker 4: I mean to get myself into films, which I had

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Speaker 4: never done. I hadn't been doing films. I hadn't done

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Speaker 4: a lot of hour longs. And now you switched to

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Speaker 4: today and it's it's primarily I'm primarily doing hour longs

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Speaker 4: and every now and then a sitcom like this year,

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Speaker 4: I'm getting this fall, I'm going to be doing the

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Speaker 4: news Cedric the entertainer sitcom on CBS called The Neighborhoo.

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Speaker 3: I love this guy, you know.

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Speaker 2: Je Someone change about Kirk Foquaw is that, first of all,

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Speaker 2: he is a natural hustler. Okay, When I say that

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Speaker 2: is that is that he'll do a job, but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't stop. He will improve on the job, which is

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Speaker 2: They think that you know, you do your job and

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Speaker 2: And that's That's an important part of your business model,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, another important part of this. I don't turn down

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Speaker 4: because you don't know. Everybody thinks that that in our business,

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something I don't know, and I

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Speaker 4: I can. I can give you an example Proud Family,

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Speaker 4: it was just they were just getting it going and

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Speaker 4: they were doing great, great work, but just getting it

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Speaker 4: going and be honest with you. At that time, all

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem like the thing to do would be to

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Speaker 4: You know? Okay, right? How would I know? How would

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Speaker 4: I know that that that that Destiny's Child and Salons

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Speaker 4: show would be good? That was a big deal for

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Speaker 4: know that what I believe in is the power. Yes.

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Speaker 4: I believe in the power.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: I believe I could say yes more than you this

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Speaker 4: gonna wake up. I'm gonna say yes to try and

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Speaker 4: figure out the rest later. I don't know about the rest.

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Speaker 4: I can't guarantee you the rest, but I can guarantee

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Speaker 4: you that I'm going to come in. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: show up on time early, I'm gonna I'm gonna come

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Speaker 4: that I'm going to say yes. Un let's see where

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is the I know I'm telling Kirk's this

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Speaker 2: fast forward the Black Lightning.

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Speaker 3: Man. Man, I'm gonna tell you something. Man, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know who you talking to.

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Speaker 2: The music that's on that show.

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Speaker 3: This got me. This will got me because we're gonna

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Speaker 2: Is that when he was walking up the steps and

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Speaker 2: stand away to Heaven.

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Speaker 3: Was playing in the background.

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Speaker 2: I went, I was gonna say I started screaming at

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Speaker 2: my house because that's just one one, one example of

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Speaker 2: the great scoring music scoring that you're doing on this show.

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Speaker 3: That I am a tremendous fan of black Lightning. So

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Speaker 3: the whole, the whole, the whole tone that you.

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Speaker 2: Give that show is so impressive, Kirk, and I want

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Speaker 2: to go into more detail about it, because I just

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Speaker 2: want to let you know that one song, Man, it

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Speaker 2: stayed with me Man, because that that's a song where

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Speaker 2: you have to you have to know music to go

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Speaker 2: grabd stairway the helm. That's an OJ song and when

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Speaker 2: you play it, I went, this is my man. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back with more the genius I'm calling musical genius,

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Speaker 2: scoring genius, but sitcoms, films, dramas, kert Farkwa, money making

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Speaker 2: conversations keep winning everybody. We'll be right back with more

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Speaker 2: from mer Sean McDonald and money making conversations.

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Speaker 3: Don't touch that dog.

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Speaker 2: Hi Rashan McDonald back, money making conversations on the phone,

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Speaker 2: TV and film. Music composer, I should say award winning

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Speaker 2: seven times four for his work on the King of

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Speaker 2: and one for his work on the game. Those awards

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Speaker 2: mean something to you, don't they, Kurt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they do, they do. I mean it's I'm not

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Speaker 4: It's work, you know. It just says that you're doing something.

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Speaker 2: So I keep my immys, I keep them clean. I

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Speaker 2: So believe in the man. Nominations are cool, holding it

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Speaker 3: So I'm a brag for your Curt. That's my job

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Speaker 3: of money making comfortsation. The brag. I want you don't

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Speaker 3: put this on social media. Rashan McDonald's telling you you

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Speaker 2: Go back to Blacklight my favorite show. Okay, and I

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Speaker 4: Okay, So show like this is it's not just me

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Speaker 2: You know, pop, Okay, you're a bad man, Okay.

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Speaker 3: But it's not organic.

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Speaker 4: Be honest with you. Years ago, about about about thirteen

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Speaker 2: Because because of the fact that they are a part

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Speaker 4: Right, Yes, yes, you can use the songs. And these

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Speaker 4: And I look check to say, you say, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: But the thing is is that that's what true music

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Speaker 2: now you're also saying, Kirk Night in the fall, you're

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Speaker 2: So when you come back on my show, will you

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Speaker 4: Kurt? Oh, yeah, absolutely, because I'm gonna want to talk

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Speaker 4: I got a new show called tweet a film on Lionsgates.

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Speaker 2: You know you're special because you're a bad man. But

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Speaker 2: more importantly, this is the platform for you. Keep posting

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Speaker 2: on social media. I keep liking you, and I keep

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Speaker 2: sharing this Rashan McDonald, you're listening to the money making conversation.

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Speaker 3: Keep winning everybody.

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