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Speaker 2: I can't, I can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 1: We still got like four more episodes to make sure

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Speaker 1: what just happened this weekend, Mets completely shitting down their

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Speaker 2: It is two thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I just came off of a two hour delayed flight

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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm I'm not just pissed about the Mets.

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of got a lot of raw

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Speaker 3: Relatively normal day, like as normal as a day could

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Speaker 4: State that way.

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Speaker 3: I'm terrible, I'm awesome, doing terribly. I was out and

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Speaker 3: horrible loss to see back into your brain, all the

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Speaker 2: And we don't have this conversation.

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Speaker 3: Now we have them three days, but it's still just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a lot of time to think about

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Speaker 1: and I think you guys are too. Watching this team

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Speaker 1: But from Steve Cohen to David Sturts, to Carlos Bendoza,

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Speaker 1: what an absolute disgrace, shameful way to show to your

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Speaker 1: where you were given every opportunity. The Reds they stink

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Speaker 4: The five year plan didn't work. I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Today is the last day of the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: We're going to do this this week is that this

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Speaker 2: Do one.

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Speaker 3: I'm absolving I'm absolving Travis Jankowski. He's not his fault either,

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the hardest thing to rationalize here,

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Speaker 3: You just bled out for three straight months, like you

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Speaker 3: you got you got full, You got full on MERSA

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Speaker 3: You kept saying that, and truthfully, like I think we

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Speaker 4: I thought we had that in us. I thought the

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Speaker 3: And shout out to Marlins for giving it. They're all

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Speaker 3: But it was just based on the fact that we

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Speaker 2: That's going to get better.

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Speaker 1: Never did bad year for Blue and Orange in Major

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Speaker 2: The Marlins still are not good. It's still not a

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Speaker 1: But every way you look this roster, in this organization,

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Speaker 1: It's almost hard to win eighty three games. The Mets

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Speaker 1: Think about that. This team had no business even smelling

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Speaker 3: These were the conversations we had in the beginning of August, though,

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Speaker 3: That point, like at that point we basically needed We

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Speaker 3: Do you need Do you need twenty two wins before

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Speaker 2: They need, they need to go.

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Speaker 3: Is it ridiculous how long this franchise has existed, how

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Speaker 1: We're living in one of the most successful in terms

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Speaker 2: Ever.

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Speaker 4: That's idiot talk.

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: The Mets are spending all this money and they're they

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Speaker 2: Can can you imagine? I can because we just did it.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if the Dodgers missed the playoffs, I matter, if

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Speaker 2: I hate to do this.

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Speaker 3: I have to give some credit to Mike francessa crazy

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Speaker 3: how much of a colossal failure. This is how he's

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Speaker 2: These guys couldn't pull it together. That's crazy. He still

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Speaker 3: But that is that is the take. That's right, And

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Speaker 3: He was like me, if I'm okay, we make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: It was me.

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Speaker 3: You go the Browser bond, You go to Brooks Raley

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Speaker 1: In the last two weeks, let's just say what it is.

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Speaker 3: So today the Mets got twenty four outs in the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just you had.

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Speaker 3: It's just similar to all the bullshit we setle season.

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Speaker 3: He had chances the first few winnings, you couldn't push

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Speaker 4: And the bottom of the other was horrific.

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Speaker 3: We talked about sorry to you guys personally for the

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Speaker 2: We have answers, we have to take care of him,

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Speaker 3: Do a third episode. I was busy at the beginning

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Speaker 3: We couldn't do like an instant reaction to game thing.

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Speaker 2: A bit in the way. Brett Baty gets hurt on Friday.

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Speaker 3: You see how much it drastically affects this team in

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Speaker 3: He did make some really nice plays in these couple

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Speaker 3: Jared Young got in that bat the last game of

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Speaker 4: Whole thing unfolded.

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Speaker 3: You were just like, this is fucking disgusting, going to Stanic,

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Speaker 3: Not that I can fault all of that, No trust,

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Speaker 3: what's whoever? Sean and I but can't really fault that either.

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Speaker 1: I as much as little trust as we have in

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Speaker 1: For months, he's been unpitchable. Ryan Stannik might not throw

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Speaker 1: bottom doorer like the White Sox. He's he's cooked, he's

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Speaker 4: We've known this. It's May.

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Speaker 1: He's been terrible, and the fact that he went to

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Speaker 1: Ryan Stannik, it's Carlos Mendoza did the worst job I've

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Speaker 2: It's fucking Kevin Cash pulling Blake Snell in the World Series,

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Speaker 2: Carlos Mendoza start to finish, absolutely fucking terrible. This year awful.

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Speaker 2: I know we're gonna talk about it more.

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Speaker 1: The take that everyone's gonna be running with is that

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Speaker 1: y'all give him one more shot. He's had fucking two

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Speaker 2: He sucks.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a fucking clue. He's in over his head.

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Speaker 1: We should have never hired an Aaron Booden disciple. That's

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Speaker 1: We took a guy who was underneath him.

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Speaker 2: WF fan Mark, Can I ask you, can I thanks

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Speaker 2: you with trivia question?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: How many appearances you think Ryan Stanek had this year

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Speaker 3: in the Mets seventy.

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Speaker 4: It was sixty six.

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Speaker 2: That's so many, that's so many. How does he even

448
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Speaker 2: get close to that?

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Speaker 4: He should have been defeated. Fucking may I, miss Rico Garcia.

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Speaker 2: That's a big one.

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Speaker 1: Shame on fucking David Seartns too, because David Searns makes

452
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Speaker 1: the calls, and David Searns, for some reason, has a

453
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Speaker 1: fucking rock hard boner for Ryan Stannek. I have no

454
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Speaker 1: idea how it's even possible. When anyone who's ever played

455
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Speaker 1: watch baseball. I think my mom, who couldn't tell you

456
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Speaker 1: IVB doesn't know what that means, does honestly might not

457
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Speaker 1: know the difference between a fastball and a slider. Would

458
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Speaker 1: be like, this guy stinks. He can't get anybody out,

459
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Speaker 1: He doesn't get.

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Speaker 2: Anybody to swinging. Miss He's got nothing.

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Speaker 1: How as bad as Mendoza was, how the fuck does

462
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Speaker 1: David Saranz keep him on this team this long?

463
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Speaker 3: You just remember the playoff last year, how we turned

464
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Speaker 3: it on it and we're absolutely just flipped the switch

465
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Speaker 3: in the middle of everything, and all of a sudden

466
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Speaker 3: he's a guy and the bullpen was so bad. Wasn't

467
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Speaker 3: exactly a high bar to stay in it really throughout

468
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Speaker 3: this season? Was it the fact that Ryan Helsley got

469
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Speaker 3: like a sad inning in this game that standon winning

470
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Speaker 3: before Helsley too, Like that was It's just the whole

471
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Speaker 3: thing was kind of disgusting, but they kind of got

472
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Speaker 3: disgusting already by the time it got to Carlos Mendoza,

473
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Speaker 3: Like it was. I'm saying, everybody failed this year. No, everybody,

474
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Speaker 3: top down, every single person failed. Like David Serres has

475
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Speaker 3: a lot of questions answered. He's taking some media availability

476
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Speaker 3: on Monday at three o'clock, four o'clock something like that.

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Speaker 1: I can't even listen to that shit. Honestly, I'm gonna

478
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Speaker 1: get every single word of the VIU like I can't.

479
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Speaker 1: I can't hear this team talk anymore. Like I honestly

480
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Speaker 1: don't even want to hear anything after we're done recording,

481
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna turn the brain off from the

482
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Speaker 1: Mets for like a good, good bit where I'm like,

483
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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what David Surtins has to

484
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Speaker 1: say anybody because it's cheerapy. Alonzo opt out after the game, Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: of course, of course, who's.

486
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Speaker 2: Gonna opt out?

487
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Speaker 3: I mean I mean just doing it to the media

488
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Speaker 3: that the Scott Bars method.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was great.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's classic, Yeah, super awkward, but bring him

491
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Speaker 1: back better, bring him back.

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Speaker 3: I just watching this whole thing happen. You knew it

493
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Speaker 3: was happening when it was happening. Miserable this weekend, especially

494
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Speaker 3: like that. I liked how honest Gary Keith and Ron

495
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Speaker 3: were about how disappointing and embarrassing this team played.

496
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Speaker 2: Ron took shots at Mendo's shots.

497
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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of the players as well.

498
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Speaker 3: I think he did too. I think everyone was like.

499
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Speaker 2: Pretty honest in their and their criticism.

500
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Speaker 3: Like the way that the game unfolded, especially on Friday,

501
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Speaker 3: like that was the punch in the gut when I

502
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Speaker 3: think I fully grasped that we were missing the playoffs,

503
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Speaker 3: Like I was like, at that moment, I know we're out.

504
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah it's over, Like you got again the dead fish bounce,

505
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Speaker 3: the glimmer of hope on Saturday.

506
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Speaker 2: But watching that inning where.

507
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Speaker 3: Sproke gives up some hard base hits and then it

508
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Speaker 3: was a weird situation, which is the same criticism at

509
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Speaker 3: Mendoz with the whole season where it seems like he

510
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Speaker 3: gets to trouble.

511
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Speaker 2: Without planning, that trouble could have existed.

512
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Speaker 1: He has no feel, he has no plan. This team's

513
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Speaker 1: never hasn't been prepared all year. It starts with the manager.

514
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Speaker 3: I've been screaming it, especially in that game where you

515
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Speaker 3: get out to a two nothing lead off the series

516
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Speaker 3: win the day before, you're like, holy shit, we have momentum,

517
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Speaker 3: like we're actually going to be able to turn this over.

518
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Speaker 3: You get a couple bats to run the scoring position,

519
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 3: Lindor lines into the double play, and then you do

520
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Speaker 3: get to that fifth inning where bang three straight hits

521
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Speaker 3: to start the inning, Like, there's this idea where I

522
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: know Brandon Sproke didn't have a lot of pitches. A

523
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Speaker 3: lot of people get very obsessed with pitch count system

524
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Speaker 3: as a method of take pitchers out of the get

525
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Speaker 3: pitchers out of the game. But when you give up

526
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Speaker 3: three hits, all not super hard hit, but all hits

527
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Speaker 3: on four pitches, when you know these other guys are

528
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Speaker 3: coming up the fucking swing, pitch counts a little bit

529
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Speaker 3: out the window at that point, and now you've just

530
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Speaker 3: turned the lineup over. And this is the problem Mendoza,

531
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Speaker 3: where it get there was no plan for the trouble

532
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Speaker 3: when before the trouble came.

533
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Speaker 2: So you're in a situation.

534
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Speaker 3: Where do you have a short leash on the guy

535
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Speaker 3: or do you have a long leash on the guy?

536
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Speaker 3: Him and those who made the cardinal sin of having

537
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Speaker 3: a medium leash on the guy. You let the three

538
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Speaker 3: hits happen, and then you let another run score and

539
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Speaker 3: then another bullshit loop base hit. So then now all

540
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, when you're already losing and there's another

541
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Speaker 3: guy on base, now you're bringing the reliever.

542
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Speaker 2: So it's already a stressful situation.

543
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Speaker 3: It's already messy, and you've already ruined the confidence of

544
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Speaker 3: the guy out there and the players on the field,

545
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Speaker 3: the other eight guys behind them. So you kind of

546
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Speaker 3: fucked up every single thing in one shot. And then

547
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Speaker 3: you have the discourse like you should have left him in,

548
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: but like, truthfully, you should have lest him in, or

549
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Speaker 3: you should have just taken him out right the fucking

550
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Speaker 3: jump before that lineup turned over at their time, It's

551
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Speaker 3: just over and over again during this stretch with his

552
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Speaker 3: team kind of fell apart over three months, but especially

553
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Speaker 3: over this last three weeks. You didn't have the wherewithal

554
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Speaker 3: the anticipation to make these moves ahead of time, and

555
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Speaker 3: it bit them in the ass over and over again.

556
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Speaker 1: He was pulling his Tony LaRussa impression. He was falling

557
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Speaker 1: asleep in the dugout. He wasn't prepared, was not prepared.

558
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Speaker 1: And then the other thing, too, is that as good

559
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Speaker 1: as Francisco, the dor Juan Soto, Peede Alonzo, those guys are,

560
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Speaker 1: they can only do so much. This team finishes the

561
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Speaker 1: season without a comeback win in the ninth inning. I

562
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Speaker 1: know that's like an insane stat, but also that's an

563
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Speaker 1: insane stat.

564
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Speaker 4: No fight.

565
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Speaker 1: Team had no fight. The team laid down, absolutely laid down.

566
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Speaker 1: When things got tough. This team said, oh well, we lose.

567
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Speaker 1: And it also starts with Mendoza two because the amount

568
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Speaker 1: of times we fucking punted this year, the amount of

569
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Speaker 1: punt games you mentioned. We had three seven game losing streaks.

570
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Speaker 4: That's hard.

571
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Speaker 1: That's hard to do in Major League Baseball unless you're

572
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Speaker 1: the worst team in baseball, like the White Sox or

573
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Speaker 1: the Rockies. And I don't even think they had three

574
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Speaker 1: seven game losing streaks this year. It's a rare feat

575
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Speaker 1: to have for a team that won eighty three games.

576
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Speaker 1: The punting, the Alex Carreo decisions. That just there's no

577
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Speaker 1: sense of urgency with this team from start to finish.

578
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Speaker 2: And you heard it.

579
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Speaker 1: After every fucking bad loss. We know we're gonna play better. Oh,

580
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Speaker 1: we have to play better. We don't have to play better.

581
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Speaker 1: It's September twenty ninth when we're recording this and the

582
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Speaker 1: season's over. Congrats, guys, you didn't play better. You fucking

583
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Speaker 1: did nothing. You did not show up, and someone's got

584
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Speaker 1: to be held accountable, somebody, somebody. Otherwise, we're just gonna

585
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Speaker 1: do it again. We're gonna do it again next year.

586
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Speaker 6: Hey, if you're a card collector or you're looking to collect, buy, sell, trade,

587
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Speaker 6: Arena clubs the spot, I'm gonna tell you why. Because

588
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Speaker 6: the old process AJA was very clunky. By a box,

589
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Speaker 6: rip the pack, tons of comments, send it in for grading,

590
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Speaker 6: and then finally you get everything back. This is weeks

591
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Speaker 6: and weeks and you can start to try and sell

592
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Speaker 6: the card. We have eliminated that with Arena club or

593
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Speaker 6: they have. I act like I'm part of it, but

594
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Speaker 6: in really one step.

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Speaker 7: Arena's your one stop shot for everything. You get a card,

596
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Speaker 7: you open a slap pack, the card is there, it's graded.

597
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Speaker 7: It spins around. Cooley shows you three D the front,

598
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Speaker 7: the back, you can look at the corners, you can

599
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Speaker 7: look at everything, and.

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Speaker 2: Then you get a decision.

601
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Speaker 7: Do I want to keep it? Do I want to

602
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Speaker 7: sell it? Do I want to trade it? Gives you

603
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Speaker 7: an instant off, or you can buy it back and

604
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Speaker 7: re rip another slap back and try for some else.

605
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Speaker 7: Or you can keep it and hope the value goes

606
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Speaker 7: up and sell it a later day. It is truly

607
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Speaker 7: the best spot to get carved.

608
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Speaker 6: Twenty percent off your first slap pack or card purchase

609
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Speaker 6: can be had right now at Arena club dot com.

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Speaker 6: Slash foul and use code foul.

611
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Speaker 3: Do you remember the Wednesday game against the Braves after

612
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Speaker 3: the big win that Tuesday where we score thirteen runs

613
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Speaker 3: and we jumped out to a six nothing lead and

614
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Speaker 3: then David Peterson coughed all of them back up, Like

615
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Speaker 3: It's just there was so many of these little fucking

616
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Speaker 3: instances to point to where you just could never.

617
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Speaker 2: Stop the bleeding.

618
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Speaker 3: And this is the thing where again I'm not I'm

619
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Speaker 3: not intending to be critical of those three guys at

620
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Speaker 3: the top, because they all have great seasons yumbers wise between.

621
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Speaker 2: Lindor so though at Alonso.

622
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Speaker 3: But there is a leadership element that clearly those three

623
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Speaker 3: guys did lack, because when a team can bleed out

624
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Speaker 3: like this, there has to be some kind of anything,

625
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: someone to shake a cage, someone to have a conversation,

626
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: someone to speak up and be like this is unacceptable.

627
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Speaker 3: And part of that is just on the other players

628
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Speaker 3: for not performing, But it does have to be a

629
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Speaker 3: consideration as to how adequately that group of three can

630
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 3: lead not performed. I know they can perform, but leading wise, like,

631
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Speaker 3: there's some element missing personality wise. I won't say effort wise,

632
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: not gonna say preparation wise because we don't know what

633
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Speaker 3: that is. But there's something that's not there among what

634
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: those guys should have and could have that it's just

635
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Speaker 3: it's absent.

636
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I do think the common denominator

637
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Speaker 1: is Lindor and Pete. They were on the team in

638
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four as well, and until again Jose Gleasias

639
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Speaker 1: and Jad Martinez was there similar issues, No leadership, nothing

640
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Speaker 1: going on. Lindor leads by example, Pete leads by example.

641
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of leading by example. It only goes so

642
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: far you need some kind of raw rah.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Get this.

644
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Speaker 7: It's raw ra.

645
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Speaker 3: It's holding people accountable. It's like this is always the

646
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Speaker 3: saying about it. Get especially those two guys on door,

647
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Speaker 3: Pete and so though that. It's like you go in,

648
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Speaker 3: you do your work and get done. We have to

649
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Speaker 3: get done and Lindor people talk about the fact Lindor

650
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Speaker 3: like basically has a conversation every single person in the

651
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: clubhouse every single day, like that's good leadership shit. And

652
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: then someone else has to do stuff like that. You

653
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: have to make sure that Jeff McNeill's doing his work.

654
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: You have to check up on the young guys more consistently.

655
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: You have to check in on people who are maybe

656
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: not checking in as much on themselves. Don't understand how

657
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: often to check in themselves. How much you need to

658
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: do to be a major leaguer. What you actually have

659
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Speaker 3: to do is same thing goes to the pitching. I'm

660
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: sure like there's another got the pitching god, a mercenary

661
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: pitching staff like this definitely devoid of leaders like Sean

662
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: and I is the leader. He was here for one

663
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: year and he shucked ass this year after the season

664
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: and he was fucking horrible. David Peterson was growing into

665
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: a leader. No happened as became asked. For six straight weeks, you.

666
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 4: Have Dogshit the guy.

667
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: The guys who were supposed to at least be like

668
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: the Rocks in the Middle, who we kind of assumed

669
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: wind up being in some combination of this trio the

670
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: Rocks in the Middle of Peterson, Sanga Manaia. One of

671
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: those guys shows up for the last six weeks of

672
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: the season. Again, you're in the playoffs, probably in the

673
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: playoffs by a few games.

674
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 4: Two of those guys show up.

675
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: You might have to be playing a home series at City

676
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: Field this week, but no one shows up.

677
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: It's just like, how how does this keep happening?

678
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: How do we keep having these same issues over and

679
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: over again? Like this shit doesn't happen to other teams

680
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: code I Sanga like talking to the press after the

681
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: game today being like, I don't even know what's going

682
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: on with my body.

683
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to change everything.

684
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: But he's the weirdest fucking player I've ever seen. I'm

685
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: getting so sick and tired of it. Go out there

686
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: and fucking pitch dude, shove enough of this, Like, oh,

687
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: my body is not feeling right. I'm not like excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses.

688
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: This team was full of excuses this year, and they

689
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: took accountability at the end of it today, Wan, so

690
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: it'll call the season of failure. Pete mendo Is all

691
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: those guys, they all called it a failure. But during

692
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: the season it was like, well, we're getting unlucky. Well

693
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: we're executing the game plan, but it's not working for Ruins.

694
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, it's fucking broken.

695
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: It doesn't work. It doesn't work.

696
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: What how many losses? How many times? I can't I

697
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: can't keep running it back. I can't keep seeing the

698
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again. This is what we were

699
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: screaming about earlier in the year. This is what we

700
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: were yelling about. Was like, hey, so either this team

701
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: sucks or the plan is bad, and both happened. The

702
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: plan is bad and the team sucks because they made

703
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: no adjustments, no adjustments all year.

704
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: Mark Beningo, you're trying to get yourself on the w

705
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: Fan round table.

706
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm the more I talk about it, the angrier I get.

707
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: I said, I wasn't gonna rant, and then I remember

708
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: how fuck Like, Oh, can.

709
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: I just quickly right now.

710
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: Just remember when Mike SARbot and fucking sent Tyrone Taylor

711
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: because he's a moron.

712
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: I mean, you can go bash so many different times.

713
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: How About when they had the fucking basis loaded against

714
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, couldn't get the run in. How About when

715
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: they had the fucking bases loaded. I was against the Braves,

716
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: the National Dude, it's the Brewery series.

717
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: Brewer, you had three games in a row, you're winning

718
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: in the seventheen yaste James.

719
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: He's fast, keep him on the base path.

720
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: You lose all of them. It's just forty. He's so fast.

721
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: What about the Ryan Ricio home run off of Robert

722
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: Suarez in the Yeah, because Robert Suarez and the Padres,

723
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: you still managed to lose that game. Afterwards, It's just

724
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: the whole thing over and over and over and over again,

725
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: never fucking stopped and never stopped the whole again. I

726
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: go back to Koreo being the first guy of the

727
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: bullpen as a breaking and incredible Yeah.

728
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: I lived when that happened.

729
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: We're like, how's this happening?

730
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: We like him as the eleventh guy in the bullpen

731
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: because he throws one hundred.

732
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: You go and pitch him Sunday. Yeah, why the fuck

733
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: is he pitching today? Nobody threw the bets had won

734
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: All Star relievers. Edwin Diaz, he has a rubber arm.

735
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: We can throw forever. Dude, the same thing happened the

736
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: game on Friday. Where the game on Thursday, you don't

737
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: really use any of the real relievers. The guys you

738
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: did use only pitch one day so everybody can pitch again.

739
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Why is Gregorysolo the first guy of the bullpen? He

740
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: gets a bunch of fuck radies.

741
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: He sucks.

742
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: By the way, I was so fucking right, he sucks.

743
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: GREGORYSA get him off this fucking team.

744
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: I never want to see him.

745
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: Again, especially when he's using horrible situations like coming in

746
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: with a guy on first base and four radies are

747
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: coming up in a row.

748
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: Why he's got He's got nothing, So you have to

749
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: put him in perfect situations and they failed him.

750
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: But again, here's the inconsistencies across MEDS that's called out

751
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: every single episode. On Friday, Gregorysolo, who's sixth fifth ranked

752
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: in the bullpen, is okay to come in against a

753
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: much rise with a guy on base. But on Sunday,

754
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: Brooks Radley, who's the second ranked guy in the bullpen.

755
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: He can't pitch against a ready with a guy on

756
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: first base? How is that? How does that make sense?

757
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: He's an idiot because he's a bad manager.

758
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: He's terrible.

759
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: He got scared, he got stressed out, he couldn't handle

760
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: the anxiety. Where the fuck is John Gibbons want the worst.

761
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: Bench coach in the history of year.

762
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: More about what you're supposed to be, the guy guiding

763
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: the still young and experienced manager through these decisions.

764
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Take it? Where is he? Where's the guy?

765
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: Something?

766
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: So all he knows?

767
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: He answers the fucking phone and says the replay guy says,

768
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: to challenge it. John Gibbons said, fucking nothing. There's there's

769
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: a lot of fat that needs to be trimmed from

770
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: this organization, a lot of fat. And they've they've gotta

771
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: the players on the field. We need some new players too.

772
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: But like this coaching staff, Antoine Richardson, he's back. Everybody

773
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: else I'm I can do without.

774
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: It's we're gonna have to also think about where the

775
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: organization is as as a whole, Like we're still I

776
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: think bullish on the future of the Mets like long

777
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: term as expectedly great farm systems sick. Nobody always that

778
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: though always going to have a lot of money. But

779
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: I'm not even talking about that. I'm just like, how again,

780
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: this is the fifth full season with Steve Cohen. It's

781
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: not exactly the ownership's fault that any of these players

782
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: have faltered over and over again, but this idea, like,

783
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: especially when you'll get this roster, there's four different general

784
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: managers have acquired different players on this roster. They've been

785
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: some of the guys been managed by three or four

786
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: different managers. Like, there's this level of instability that I

787
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: think we have hopefully possibly kind of gotten over the hump,

788
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: at least with David Stearns.

789
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: But we're the.

790
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: Situation where you might be keeping Carlos Mendoza around just

791
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: for the sake of not firing another manager because you

792
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: don't want to fire a third manager in five years.

793
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: But then that also might be like, holy shit, you

794
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 3: might have a bad manager again for the next few

795
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: years because he scared to fire the guy.

796
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: Now it should never hired Buck Showalter.

797
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: That was like you hired, you hired the old guy

798
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: that you knew was going to be on the chopping

799
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: block as soon as anything went south, like at least

800
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: from the Mendoza state. I can understand because you got

801
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: a young manager that you were hoping you could build

802
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: something with the best case scenario. With some of the

803
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: other guys, it hasn't made sense. It hasn't made sense.

804
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: And maybe he meddles too much. Maybe he's too interactive

805
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: and involved. Maybe he needs to step away and just

806
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: let the president do every single decision.

807
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: Ever, I don't know.

808
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: It's just there. There is something wrong.

809
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming Steve Cohen so much better than the

810
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: will Ponds. It's like sevent seventeen year old Mark would

811
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: be punching me in the face for complaining right now

812
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: that our owners spent all this money.

813
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. Actually, you don't think so.

814
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: I think seventeen year ol Mark would be a little

815
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: more mad about this because you were twenty two games

816
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: over five hundred, you missed the playoffs.

817
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: Well, no, would be that mad about complaining about Steve Cohen,

818
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: that's what sure.

819
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, oh, this is way.

820
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: It's incomprehensible. Collapse isn't even the word like I see

821
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: the word collapse. It's not a collapse. Collapse is just

822
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: the wrong noun. Is the Roman Empire collapsed?

823
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: Like that was like, oh of a sudden over Now

824
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: you're like, fuck, where did it go?

825
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: No? But this was months. I mean, I don't say

826
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: what collapse quicker the Roman Empire of the fucking mets?

827
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 4: Like how'd that's it all go down?

828
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: But I love Steve Cohen as long as he's there

829
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: and he's paying the money, he's hiring people that he

830
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: expects to be good for their jobs, Like it's hard

831
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 3: to blame him, like he did his job, unless which

832
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: is possible. I'm gonna talk about more later this week.

833
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: There is an organizational structure element here that is not

834
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: really working and that might not need that might need

835
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: to be addressed. And if that is the case, that

836
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: is probably actually worse than which just happened in the

837
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: field for the last few months. Yeah, Like, if there's

838
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: a if there's a structural system, there's a there's a

839
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: if there's a bad flow chart here, that's worse than

840
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: anything just like.

841
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: Zoom out here. Maybe this will be kind of how

842
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: we wrap up this episode. I don't know, I could

843
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: talk for another hour. Juan Soto best season of his career, right, Imagine,

844
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: imagine you say that want sort for forty home runs,

845
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: thirty stolen bases, nine to fifty oh ps on the season,

846
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo hits forty home runs, drives in one hundred

847
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: and twenty. Francisco indorgoes thirty thirty for the second straight year.

848
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: What if I told you not just that Brett Batty breakout,

849
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: Francisco Alvarez breakout, Met's missed the playoffs?

850
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: How is that even possible?

851
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: How is that even conceivable?

852
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: Because every other thing besides that kind of went wrong,

853
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: like every single thing.

854
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: Like you, they spent all the money, they got the president,

855
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: they got a great farm system, they had a good

856
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: trade deadline on paper, and every single acquisition was an

857
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: integral part as to why they didn't make the playoffs.

858
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it.

859
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of shit thrown fairly on both

860
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: Ryan Helsley and Cedric Mallins's name.

861
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: I want to throw a.

862
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: Teeny bit more on Tyler Rodgers us stunk? Did he

863
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 3: not have any clean innings his entire like last little

864
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: stretch here.

865
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: And I know it's bullshit contact, But now that the

866
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: season's over, I can be like, dude, I got he

867
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: you know how like me and you always scream about

868
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: how strikeouts.

869
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: Are the only thing that mattered for relievers.

870
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Tyler Rodgers is the epitome of it, because he struck

871
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: out what six percent of batters while he was on

872
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: the Mets, and that's not good enough because you get

873
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 1: the bloops, you get the doinks. He can't he can't

874
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: come in with runners on because if ajoint goes in,

875
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna score, because it's gonna drop in between the

876
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: outfielder past the infielder. It's a it's a weirdly unsustainable,

877
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: very specific.

878
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: It's definitely not unsustainable because he's had like under two

879
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 3: were for like four straight years.

880
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: But here's what I'll tell you. A small sample you

881
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: can get unlucky. Then it can snowball, and that's how

882
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: this happens.

883
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: Also, but baseball being the weird sport that it is,

884
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: where every game is so incredibly important, as we can tell.

885
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: But also it's one hundred and sixty two games, so

886
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: it's so fucking long that you need some consistency and

887
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: that's why you have sample sizes.

888
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: But like maybe that's the fault.

889
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, is it I think it was more

890
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: about this again, the bad luck and then the stench

891
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: has a snowball. But even still you still trust that

892
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: Tyler Rodgers objectively relative. I don't know how we're on

893
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: such a little noche and mints a niche conversation.

894
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 4: Sick.

895
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 3: Why do you go to Ryan Stanick as the writing

896
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: the bullpen before Tyler Rodgers and then bring in Tyler

897
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: Rodgers to clean up Ryan Stanek's mess? He can't do it,

898
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like the fact that it

899
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 3: is that orther of them doesn't make any sense. And

900
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: another big thing we talked about heading the season with

901
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: this team being like offense has to carry us, we

902
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: trust the bullpen becomes fine with Edwin Diaz on top

903
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: of David Ston is doing nonsense all season long. Starting rotation,

904
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: we don't know, but there's at least relative depth. So

905
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: you have a rotation of threes and fours, you just

906
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: if you have enough of them to fill in when

907
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: the other guys get hurt. You finally pull things in

908
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: and we understand the prospects we hoped would fill the

909
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: gaps at some point exactly after the moment where they

910
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: would maintain the rookie eligibility, which we should have known.

911
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: That's not us for not realizing that.

912
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: And then you have like a three week stretch in

913
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: June where you all of a sudden not the flashiest,

914
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 3: sexiest names in the world, but you lose Canning Sanga

915
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: mcguil like bang bang bang three straight weeks, and all

916
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: of a sudden, the depth is gone.

917
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: You go a month of Hageman and Waddell.

918
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: Sango comes back terrible, Manaia comes back fucking worse, and it's.

919
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: Just like, where where the hell is the relief?

920
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: You bring up Joining the Tongue with his fucking wide

921
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: eyes and his happy smile, and he gets lit on.

922
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: Fire because he's not ready for the show yet, and it's.

923
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: Just everything that could have gone wrong still went wrong,

924
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: and it made the worst that it still wasn't built

925
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: in the best way either.

926
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: No, No, I think I think this team was not

927
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: built sustainably for twenty twenty five.

928
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: Is that fair? Yeah?

929
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: No, definitely, I think that I think we're relatively open

930
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: about that, like happy that we were the ones in

931
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: the off season being like, I don't think it's World Series.

932
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Can technic team worse than the Phillies.

933
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: Get to the playoffs and have some fun. But yeah,

934
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: and also, like we talked so much about how you know,

935
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: we got to we're cleaning up these books, We're getting

936
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: rid of all the middle tier, middle class contracts, and

937
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: then you still look and you're like Martee twenty one million,

938
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: Nemo twenty million, and I a twenty million, Edwin twenty million,

939
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: Manta seventeen million, Jeff sixteen million, you know what I mean?

940
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: Like that that makes think about those names. I just said,

941
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: how helpful the words to this team this year?

942
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: Pretty much a net zero at best.

943
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 3: That's where you lose compared to those other teams who

944
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: don't get to have those top guys but at least

945
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: have guys in the middle who are just being fine,

946
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: good enough. Even when you get good season from Alvarez

947
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: and Baby and you have the guys on top, the

948
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: entire middle class of the team.

949
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: Fell flat in their face.

950
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's basically played with can't win like that,

951
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: what like sixteen man roster basically yeah, more or less,

952
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: it's like I mean, And the funniest thing is last

953
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: year the exact same strategy worked like charge of course, yeah, perfectly.

954
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: The difference was that Jose I Glacias came up and

955
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: was like what if three eighty?

956
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

957
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: Who the Jose Glacis has an eight hundred ops for

958
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: first time he was seventeen years old. Like, but it's

959
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: just that it's just baseball is weird. Maybe you have

960
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: to lean into more than weird shit, Like this team

961
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: just didn't really have any personality the whole year and

962
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: the room personality zero, no tenacity, No, there's just no fierceness,

963
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: like people like, oh, you know, Jesse Winker, the emotional

964
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: leader got hurt.

965
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: Jesse Winker can't be your fucking emotional either. Jesse Winker

966
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: also had horrible numbers. Is that exactly?

967
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: And you signed Jesse Winker he couldn't play defense. You

968
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: know one's gonna play defense, Darling Marte. You know who

969
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: else couldn't play defense?

970
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 4: Marchiantos.

971
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 3: You have three guys in your active roster and opening

972
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: day you couldn't play defense? Like how where where is

973
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: this all going to come from? Like I just yeah,

974
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: it's just this roster got bogged down. Like for us,

975
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: we live in a great spot where money's infinite. Yeah,

976
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: but the roster spaces are finite, and too many of

977
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: these roster spots were taken up by guys who.

978
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: Just weren't really helping that much.

979
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: No, No, like Martell had his moments this year where

980
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: he was great, and then he also had his moments

981
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: where he was bad. It's not his fault by any means,

982
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: since I'm not believing Starling Marte. It's just part of

983
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: the conversation of like, fuck, man, how does this happen?

984
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: How does this happen?

985
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: Also, when you look at this roster, you're like, how

986
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: was that three hundred and forty million dollars?

987
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm telling you, because I just listed

988
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: to the guys because again, well what starts with one?

989
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: So sixty two million, Yeah, totally worth, Cristal Door thirty

990
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: two and a half, and then Pete thirty So bang,

991
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: right there, we're.

992
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: Up about one twenty five. Where's the other two hundred

993
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: and fifty?

994
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: We're already ahead of the Reds and just those guys

995
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: on their pay roll. But then again, Starling twenty one,

996
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: Nimo twenty one, Manaia twenty, Edwin eighteen and a half,

997
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: Frankie Montas seventeen, Jet sixteen, CODI sixteen, like go roll

998
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: All of a sudden right there, We've just built another

999
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 3: small market team's payroll and then the.

1000
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: Rest of it fills in by the nonsense at the

1001
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: bottom of the roster. Oh god, this team sucked.

1002
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: Terrible.

1003
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: Like also one more game, one more game, one more game.

1004
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: Just to get throttled by the Dodgers, but even get

1005
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: into three game, watch the rights fucking beat the Dodgers

1006
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: and bullshit, watch the hope they please. It's just proved

1007
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: to base, proved to me that the Mets actually had

1008
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: no business being there.

1009
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: Don't even give me a glimmer of hope. And like

1010
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: they got crushed by the Dodgers. I wanted to beat

1011
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: them so bad.

1012
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: Remember the Guardian series which one I know, no, the

1013
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: one like and we lost three games at home, so

1014
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: they won. Because the Cleveland Guardians have had two of

1015
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: the most nightmare series for us the last two seasons

1016
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: where we went there dominated. That's where Kate Smith, I'm like,

1017
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: holy shit, who's this guy? And then they come here

1018
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: and it's like.

1019
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: Gavin Williams, Holy shit, Williams, awesome, we should have saved

1020
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: the Guardian season.

1021
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: Actually, that's that was there. I'm not gonna say that

1022
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: was their firm full turning point. But that was a

1023
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: big moment where their shit turned around. It really was

1024
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: when they came to City Field, and that team has

1025
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: no talent. When they came to City Field, they just

1026
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: wanted series against the Twins, and they just gotten over

1027
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: five hundred. They walked into the City Field fifty six

1028
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: and fifty five and they left. They swept us, and

1029
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: then they won a series against the White Sox, and

1030
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: then they won a series against the Marlins, and.

1031
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: Then even after that, even after that, they had a stretch.

1032
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: Where they lost one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

1033
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: ten nine out of ten games after that, and they

1034
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: still got hot in September and made the playoffs.

1035
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: I wish It's.

1036
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 3: Just sometimes baseball you just kind of have to have fun.

1037
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: You gotta beat yourself a little bit chill out. And

1038
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: this Mets did not have fun this year. There was

1039
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: a shout you guys out. But there was a funny

1040
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: conversation I was having the mess up discord before the

1041
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: series where one of the members was like, you know,

1042
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 3: if we clinch against the Marlins, I don't even want

1043
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: these guys to have a champagne rationale and they don't

1044
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: deserve it. I was like, I pray to God these

1045
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 3: guys can just let loose and maybe like a chuckle laugh,

1046
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: have a drink, because it seems like none of that

1047
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: shit was happening the whole year.

1048
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: It seems like for a team that didn't do anything

1049
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: last year, accomplished nothing, didn't nope, didn't hang a single banner, right,

1050
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: there's no banners hung.

1051
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: For last year.

1052
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about wild card stuff, like

1053
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be hanging that ship anyway in the stadium.

1054
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it felt like it felt

1055
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: like they felt like they had a target on their

1056
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: back for a team that accomplished nothing, which is crazy.

1057
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: No, you know that's not true, because they did have

1058
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: a target on their backs. This Mets roster a one

1059
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: hundred percent of targets on their backs.

1060
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: I think that would be foolish to say, I think

1061
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: the Dodger You're wrong.

1062
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: Everybody's coming for the Dodgers.

1063
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, the Mets when you signed one, so fans,

1064
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 3: I think fans had the tart. I think the rest

1065
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: of the did you watch what the Marlins said after

1066
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: this game? You're gonna say we don't have targets on

1067
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: our backs.

1068
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: That's because they fucking get to celebrate ruining a division

1069
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: rivals season.

1070
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: If that was the Phillies, that's a target.

1071
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: If that's if that was the Phillies, it was the

1072
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: same thing as that was the Bravest.

1073
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. It has to do with the Mets.

1074
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm not saying what that teams two teams,

1075
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: you're gonna have targets on their backs.

1076
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: A target, No, A target is circle. This is the

1077
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: team to beat, this is the team that would need

1078
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: to be better. Then No, no, no, A target is

1079
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: bulls and war material. Fuck these guys for this reason,

1080
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: and the Mets one hundred percent had that. It's not

1081
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: their fault when you signed one. So though you have

1082
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: target on your back forever.

1083
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: People why it's the exact same thing as the way

1084
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: the media acts, the way rand the people in the street.

1085
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: I think it's a fan thing.

1086
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think any other team off.

1087
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't think any other teams give I think you're

1088
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: super off on this.

1089
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: I think you're off. You guys just know in the

1090
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: comments who's off in the target on.

1091
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: The Nobody went at the Mets one time this year.

1092
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 4: They just beat went at the Mets.

1093
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: If there was a target on their back, there would

1094
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: be some animosity, there'd be something, there would be juice.

1095
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: These teams just came out and beat the Mets. There

1096
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: was no target on the Mets back this year.

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00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Teams love revel in it.

1098
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: They excited tracket a target, yes, and that's the reason

1099
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: these guys crumbled because they couldn't handle being hunted last year.

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Speaker 1: The pressure came, they gave their own pressure. I actually,

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00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: I actually couldn't disagree more. They put all the pressure

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00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: on themselves. Nobody, no other teams put pressure on the

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00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: Mets at all. The pressures on the Dodgers, the pressures

1104
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: on the Yankees, the teams that were actually successful last year.

1105
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: Dude, going into the season, the Mets had some of

1106
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: the most pressure in baseball. We made the Final four

1107
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 3: last season and we signed one sola. Are you forgetting

1108
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: all of the dich and and everybody knew they had

1109
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: no pitching and then what but that we the best

1110
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: record in baseball two fall months.

1111
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: Who was predicting the Mets to do these big things

1112
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: this year? Everybody was like, they're gonna be okay, They're

1113
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs. I don't think the target on

1114
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: the back is nearly what you think it was. I

1115
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: think you're thinking about this a.

1116
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: Little bit too smartly. We're like, oh, people thought we

1117
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: were gonna win eighty nine games. That's not a target

1118
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: when you signed one. So you reached the final four,

1119
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: you have a braggadocia's owner. You have a target on

1120
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: your back. Hundred I think that's that's I think that's

1121
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: a loser mentality because the rest of the league wants

1122
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: to beat winners.

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00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: The Mets haven't won, Dick, Mets haven't won shit. Well

1124
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: last year Final four that they didn't win anything. They

1125
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: made it to the Final four. Congratulations, But that puts

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00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: a target on your back.

1127
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: Is insane conversation, is no, I think this the Mets

1129
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: didn't win anything. This is like fucking bragging about Grimace

1130
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: and og.

1131
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they won anything, but I'm saying they

1132
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: won enough and then paid enough people to put the

1133
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: target literally on their backs.

1134
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: Is the team anyway?

1135
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: It's the same fucking thing that happened between twenty two

1136
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: and twenty three where all of a sudden you're really good,

1137
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: you realize you might have actually been good. Then you

1138
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: fell apart, and the last next season you're like, oh,

1139
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: I think we're actually good. You're not good, But now

1140
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 3: everyone goes into the game assuming you're good. Least you

1141
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: stuck up on their own back. I don't think anybody

1142
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: was like, we gotta beat them. That's that's stupid. I

1143
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 3: don't think target we gotta beat the Mets. Nobody targets

1144
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: on their own backs.

1145
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 4: Baseball teams like we got we.

1146
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: Gotta get the Mets.

1147
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: Dude, that you're so fucking wrong. People love get taking

1148
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: the Mets. Fans love it more. Did you see Connor

1149
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 3: Norby talking at press press conference on Friday.

1150
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: Because they got to end this season.

1151
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: If it was the Braves, if it was the Phillies,

1152
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: if it was the Nationals, if it was the Reds,

1153
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: if it was the Brewers, they'd be.

1154
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: Doing the same thing.

1155
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think the Mets have a reputation.

1156
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: I think you're a little bit too inside of it.

1157
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: You don't realize the way that the Mets are viewed.

1158
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: This is the one time where I think you're doing

1159
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: the fan thing and I'm doing the baseball thing.

1160
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, maybe if that's the case, whatever,

1161
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: it's three seventeen in the morning. We gotta go to

1162
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: bed being delirious right now, get out it regardless.

1163
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: The Mets fucking crumbled. Fuck the Mets. The Mets fucking sucks.

1164
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: The mess suck, they argue. On the last episode of

1165
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 2: the season, this team is asked.

1166
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: The team was asked for three and a half straight months,

1167
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 3: and you know what, out We're gonna have a much

1168
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: more cogent conversation next couple of days talking about this

1169
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: fucking bullshit. We're gonna we're doing voicemails that won't be

1170
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: a little less cosion, but give you guys another day.

1171
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 3: We'll refresh the voicemails and instagram send more good ones

1172
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: in because you just heard us talk. You guys have

1173
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 3: a lot of runway to be stupid as shit because

1174
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: we're gum as fuck.

1175
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: Keep it under like thirty seconds.

1176
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: Pause. I can't do the fucking four minute messages.

1177
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 3: This is not your podcast. Is our podcast, your voicemail.

1178
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: That's that's a big part of it. And you'll have

1179
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: it's over a minute. I'm playing you two x spet,

1180
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: so it's gonna hurt everything, but that's what we're going

1181
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: to do. We're gonna grade every player. We're gonna have

1182
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: an organizational conversation. If anything else comes up, we'll talk

1183
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: about that too. I can't wait for the first op ed,

1184
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: the first anonymous source.

1185
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 2: That's gonna be. We're gonna hear so much shit.

1186
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: When Jeff McNeill gets traded to the Angels, the anonymous

1187
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: sourcing is gonna come out of the bullshit he has

1188
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: to say, is what the.

1189
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: Dream that's going?

1190
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: Do you think Angels? Yeah?

1191
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: I think Rocky's Royals? Royals.

1192
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: Do you think they're going to make the johnthan India mistake? Ye,

1193
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: for the second consecutive, Bring me Ryan Berger perfect.

1194
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 4: Do they have a reliever that costs way too much money?

1195
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, give you Colik. That's just like lastly the Trail Singer.

1196
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: But we gotta we gotta offset the money.

1197
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: Somehow, I think, Yeah, I think one of those certing

1198
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: pictures and second your arbitration. Maybe yeah, again, you don't

1199
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: know what doing two weeks could be tons off seasons.

1200
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: Tell Marte is the number one trade target for this season.

1201
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: Because this roster is fucking not good right now. There

1202
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: has to be a lot of turn to make it

1203
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: a lot better. And I almost gonna happen these young players.

1204
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: I almost gonna happen an these guys, I think, so

1205
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: quick gut reaction before we leave you. Jeff Neil, last

1206
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: games I met today? Yes, Mark Fianto's last games I

1207
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: met today? No interesting, I would say yes for that

1208
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: except who else?

1209
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: Then? Last game is a met today?

1210
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, okay, we'll see about that.

1211
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: David Peterson No, Edwin d S Yes, and the last

1212
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: big one Peter Anso No, okay, let's see, hold says.

1213
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 3: I think.

1214
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: I think they actually have to pay Edwin. I can

1215
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: see I've got eight. I think they gotta pay him.

1216
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 4: I was looking at I was just doing real disgusting

1217
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 4: ship today. I was looking.

1218
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: I was looking at free agent. So I was like,

1219
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna want That's what I was like. No

1220
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: one's gonna close. How are you gonna build this bullfed

1221
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: if you don't have that Win DS being the main guy,

1222
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: Brooks is gonna be closer next season. He's going to

1223
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: hold them at ransom.

1224
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: Edwin, there's one guy. He's just gonna talk to his family.

1225
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: For his family's gonna be like, bring me that money,

1226
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: Like talk to Steve Collwood, get that money. Edwin Oh

1227
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: my god, this is Yeah, I don't know what the

1228
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: fun's gonna happen. All the people chirping about how much

1229
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: better rotation has to get. I have bad news.

1230
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: You know he's under contract next year, Sean and I,

1231
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: David Peterson, Clay Fricky Montess will never throw a pitch again. Yeah,

1232
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: he'sactna throw a pitch.

1233
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 3: The rotation is maxed out, and maybe they get one

1234
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: guy who knows.

1235
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't was gonna happen. Brady be disappointed.

1236
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it's gonna be a gonna be a

1237
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: fun off season. But that's why you subscribe to the

1238
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: mets of the podcast. So we give you all our

1239
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: takes and opinions, and you can scream and yell at

1240
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: us in the comments, or you can agree with us.

1241
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Fall knowers from today's shout out my God, Chris, I

1242
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: watched the game with shout out John Medha, Mitt Low's

1243
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: Athletic Club.

1244
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: He was, he was, He was like.

1245
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 3: James Ciano was like, you want to split this booth

1246
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 3: in front of TV and watch the game. I was like, yeah,

1247
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: I love to shout out my guy, Ronnie, shoutout Lorenzo.

1248
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 2: Having nice conversations all night.

1249
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: Shout out the people I met at the University of

1250
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: South Carolina game this weekend. A lot of people love it,

1251
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: love a giraffe, which I appreciate that.

1252
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: And then also a.

1253
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: Guy in bass Pro shops in North Carolina was like,

1254
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: I think I know who you are, and I was like, yeah,

1255
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: he's like draft Neckmark. He's a think the Mets season

1256
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: is gonna I was like, thanks, man, appreciate you.

1257
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: That was that DC's first past bro, I think it's

1258
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: their second.

1259
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's a culture shock walking in the South.

1260
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: But again, shadow you guys, you've appreciating great every Mets fan.

1261
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: You guys getting a plus for this, Oh a plus,

1262
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: a plus plus three million, crazy, unbelievable how much we

1263
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: packed the stadium and having one year the Mets organization

1264
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: lost all the good will of.

1265
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 4: The fan base. Oh yeah, it's gonna be right back

1266
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 4: to nothing again.

1267
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: God next April sixteen dollars to sit like three rows

1268
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: behind the I'm gonna be able to sit in those

1269
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 3: same seats for way less than face value.

1270
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: Nickel and dime them all year next year.

1271
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: And then when they get hot next year, it'll be okay.

1272
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: Perfect, that's I'm sorry. That's the target conversation. When you

1273
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 3: can't handle pressures the target, that's the target conversation.

1274
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 4: I think they put the pressure on themselves.

1275
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: I think it's because other teams actually woke up in

1276
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: the morning. It was like, I'd like to win the

1277
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: game to they rather and be like, I don't care,

1278
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm blanking today. You have a different feel when you

1279
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: play Tigers when you play Mets.

1280
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: I hope you're right. I want you to be right.

1281
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: I think they just might be losers and have no confidence.

1282
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: If the Los Angeles Angels are playing one game against

1283
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: the Mets and a game against the Tigers, I think

1284
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 3: they have a little tiny bit more and they're in

1285
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: their guest tanks for the game.

1286
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 4: I think it's because neither of them.

1287
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: Have a target. I think if it was like Dodgers

1288
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: versus Mets.

1289
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: And also special shadow to the Marlins for pushing back

1290
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: sandyalt contract to pitch on eight days rest on Friday.

1291
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: We appreciate that for that, appreciate.

1292
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 3: That instead of instead of him just pitching on Tuesday

1293
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: and Sunday like you should probably should.

1294
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: It gonna look great in the orange of blue next season. Yeah, guy,

1295
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: that I.

1296
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: Mean him or Joe Ryan. I think those are the

1297
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: actually the only realistic things. I don't want Framber. Maybe

1298
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: I would, I don't want Framber. I don't want Framber.

1299
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: I'll be ready for Dylan Ce's but I'll we'll talk

1300
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: to you guys about this in November.

1301
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the options are bad.

1302
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun. Well, the fun week we're about that.

1303
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: It was just Pepper and you guys with so much pain.

1304
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,400
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Speaker 1: james new channel called the wind Up Link in the

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Speaker 1: description go subscribe over there if you want to hear

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Speaker 1: our baseball takes, not just about the Mets, but baseball

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Speaker 1: in general. You can follow James on social media at

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Speaker 1: James Giano.

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be on Foul Territory today one o'clock,

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Speaker 3: so check me out there.

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Speaker 1: Check him out there. I'm Draftnick Mark with the CEE.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening, thank you for watching. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch you all later this week for some more content.

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Speaker 2: He's out.

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Speaker 4: He's out, guys.

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Speaker 2: Thats fucking suck