Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Emmaline Nagowski and this is the Come as
Speaker 1: you Are podcast where I answer questions about sex with science.
Speaker 1: And in this episode, we're doing something a little different. Mo.
Speaker 1: What are we doing today? Hey, Emily, So today we're
Speaker 1: going to do an episode called real Talk, Fake Sex.
Speaker 1: And here's how it works. I'm going to play you
Speaker 1: a clip from pop culture. It could be anything about sex,
Speaker 1: and you, as an expert sex educator, are going to
Speaker 1: break it down for me and for the listeners, and
Speaker 1: very importantly, at the end of the episode, I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you to rate the scene from zero stars
Speaker 1: to five stars okay on the Emali Nagosky scale of
Speaker 1: how great is this scene in terms of like, is
Speaker 1: it violence portrayed as sex or is it actual doing
Speaker 1: the work of sex educators everywhere and making everyone sex
Speaker 1: life better? Yep? Pop culture can do everything in that range. Yep.
Speaker 1: I know that you are a little averse to pop culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to say that I live under a rock is maybe
Speaker 1: it's not an understatement, but oh, it's very close to
Speaker 1: the description. But in particular things about sexuality in pop culture.
Speaker 1: Because I'm here to answer questions about sex with science
Speaker 1: and So many of the myths that people bring to
Speaker 1: me in their questions are things they learned from pop culture.
Speaker 1: So the reason I'm willing to experience this torture of
Speaker 1: listening to some pop culture thing is because I think
Speaker 1: it's important for us to break down the myths as
Speaker 1: they are represented to us. But some pop culture things
Speaker 1: are really positive. Some of them are really good, and
Speaker 1: it's worth highlighting those two. Actually, let me just do
Speaker 1: a little survey really quickly. I get a sense of
Speaker 1: where you're coming from in your pop culture knowledge. Are
Speaker 1: you ready? Have you ever seen Sex in the City.
Speaker 1: I have seen a fragment of one episode. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: good to know. Have you ever seen the Tracy Ellis
Speaker 1: Raws show Girlfriends? No? Okay, have you ever seen the
Speaker 1: show sex Education on Netflix? I have only seen the
Speaker 1: meme of the girl who says, have you read that book?
Speaker 1: Come as you are? Only Negowski? It's really good, just
Speaker 1: because like a hundred people sent it to me. Do
Speaker 1: you know most women's volves don't look likely do on Pornhub?
Speaker 1: I was thought mine was a bit ugly because it's
Speaker 1: not only top ten, but actually it's dead normal. Should
Speaker 1: we come as you are. It's a great book. Okay.
Speaker 1: Good to know that your starting place for pop culture
Speaker 1: references is media that you are mentioned in. Okay, So
Speaker 1: for this episode, I'm going to start with a softball
Speaker 1: for you, and I think it is something you have
Speaker 1: actually seen before, because you mentioned that you love the
Speaker 1: show ted Lasso. Yes, so you barely watch any TV.
Speaker 1: But what do you like about ted Lasso? It was
Speaker 1: just this summer that I started watching it, actually because
Speaker 1: I was looking for something like really positive, end uplifting
Speaker 1: without a whole lot of like stressful drama. And it
Speaker 1: hit that note and then some and I didn't know
Speaker 1: that it was going to have such interesting sex and
Speaker 1: relationship stories. I started it because like everyone was talking
Speaker 1: about it, and then I was one of those things
Speaker 1: where I just pressed play on one episode and then somehow,
Speaker 1: like eight hours later, I had finished a whole season.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then your day is gone, yes exactly,
Speaker 1: and I'm crying and I'm like, I can't stop thinking
Speaker 1: about these characters. And also I was so shocked because
Speaker 1: it's a sports show and I'm not a sports fan
Speaker 1: right me either. So I'm going to set this clip
Speaker 1: up for you. It starts in season two, Episode two,
Speaker 1: and Roy Kent, as you know, the gruff, lovable former
Speaker 1: team captain, has recently announced. I know I have a
Speaker 1: real life Roy Kent in my life, my brother in law,
Speaker 1: and it makes me just love the character so much.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So Roy Kent recently announced that he's
Speaker 1: retiring from football aka soccer, and he's trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what to do next. In the meantime, he's living
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend Keiley and coaching like a children's soccer team,
Speaker 1: which is so adorable because he takes it so seriously.
Speaker 1: So cute. Okay, So one day he comes home from
Speaker 1: coaching and he is looking for his girlfriend, Keiely, who's
Speaker 1: at home, and he finds her in bed with her
Speaker 1: phone and she's making some noises. What's she doing now, Nothing?
Speaker 1: I thought that you were an intruder, and I didn't
Speaker 1: want you to steal it. All right, I'm gonna pause
Speaker 1: this clip because I can tell you already have something
Speaker 1: to say. So to begin with, I want to say
Speaker 1: it's a reality that in a long term, committed relationship,
Speaker 1: people who masturbate before the relationship may still masturbate solo
Speaker 1: even though they have a partner. It is normal and
Speaker 1: in a long term relationship, especially a cohabiting relationship, if
Speaker 1: partners are masturbating solo, people might walk in on each
Speaker 1: other while masturbating. That's a thing that happens. And Keenly's
Speaker 1: first response was to throw her phone, and that actually
Speaker 1: surprised me because she is a character who I mean,
Speaker 1: I think if her as a person who would not
Speaker 1: be bothered by being interrupted or seen masturbating, like, she's
Speaker 1: not afraid or a shame about her masturbation. It's one
Speaker 1: of the things I love about her. It's what she's
Speaker 1: watching that she's worried he'll find out about. But if
Speaker 1: that's the case, it still makes her extraordinary because a
Speaker 1: lot of people, whether they're the one being walked in
Speaker 1: on or they're the one doing the walking in, might
Speaker 1: have this big flash of shame in their body because
Speaker 1: we have absolutely been taught to be ashamed of masturbation.
Speaker 1: So here we have close to ideal modeling of how
Speaker 1: to engage with the reality that a partner is masturbating solo,
Speaker 1: even though in their committed relationship. Okay, so let's keep
Speaker 1: going with this scene. Bye, come on, I'm embarrassed. Whatever
Speaker 1: it is, it's fine. I like watching couples have sex
Speaker 1: in the woods. Why because I could never be that free.
Speaker 1: Come on, let me see, I should know what guesse
Speaker 1: you're going. Okay, I'm gonna pause again, and we're not
Speaker 1: done with the scene yet, but I feel like you're
Speaker 1: going to have some big sex educator energy reaction to
Speaker 1: what's happening here. I love that Roy wants to know
Speaker 1: what she's watching, especially that he says, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's fine, right, That's what makes it completely okay. If
Speaker 1: he wanted to know because he felt jealous of the
Speaker 1: porn or judgmental, or wanted to affirm that he isn't
Speaker 1: grossed out by what she likes, that all would not
Speaker 1: be great. But instead he's just purely curious. He wants
Speaker 1: to know because he feels like it could enhance his
Speaker 1: practice as a lover. Right, He is not questioning out
Speaker 1: of a sense of vindictive like I should know what
Speaker 1: you're doing sexually because i'm your boyfriend, because I want
Speaker 1: to be in control of your sexuality, right, or there
Speaker 1: are some things that are okay and some things that
Speaker 1: are not okay. He's just like, whatever works for you,
Speaker 1: I want to know so I can help get you
Speaker 1: more turned on? Right, I love it. And he's so
Speaker 1: confident in this like gorgeous, non judgmental, curious attitude that
Speaker 1: they each have toward each other's sexual minds that he
Speaker 1: helps convince her that he really won't judge her by
Speaker 1: describing what he watches, and when she's surprised by that,
Speaker 1: instead of being judgmental, she just asked why, and he says,
Speaker 1: he says, this is so important. He says, the thing
Speaker 1: that characterizes much porn consumption. Like a lot of people
Speaker 1: are going to relate to this. He says, I could
Speaker 1: never be that free. Why do you watch videos of
Speaker 1: people having sex in the woods? I could never be
Speaker 1: that free. Here we have Roy Kent. He is the
Speaker 1: quintessential hyper masculine professional footballer. I could never be that free.
Speaker 1: He watches it because it's something he fantasizes about but
Speaker 1: would never bring himself to do in real life. And
Speaker 1: it's amazing that he knows his limits. And like my heart,
Speaker 1: in my heart, I really hope that he is really welcoming,
Speaker 1: accepting of his limits and doesn't judge or shame himsel
Speaker 1: for not wanting to have sex in a potentially public
Speaker 1: place because that hits his brakes. It's normal. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's normal for it not to hit the brakes, and
Speaker 1: it's normal for it to hit the brakes. And I
Speaker 1: hope that he accepts and welcomes and loves that he
Speaker 1: is who he is. Honestly, one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: chose this scene is because of that line. I think
Speaker 1: you bring up such a good point, because like sometimes
Speaker 1: the porn we watch or whatever we watch for stimulation
Speaker 1: isn't about something that we actually want to do in
Speaker 1: real life. It's not like it's a one to one.
Speaker 1: It's just hitting our accelerator or triggering our accelerator, right am,
Speaker 1: I right, But it's not like, yep, necessarily we have
Speaker 1: to want to do that thing if we're watching it. Exactly.
Speaker 1: The context of watching something that activates your accelerator is
Speaker 1: totally different from the context of actually doing something that
Speaker 1: maybe it activates the accelerator, but in real life it
Speaker 1: would hit the brakes, like having sex in the woods,
Speaker 1: right right, right, right right. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people can relate to that. So I want to take
Speaker 1: a quick break before we get into the next part
Speaker 1: of the scene, where we talk about what Keely has
Speaker 1: been watching. All right, Okay, so we're back with a
Speaker 1: special pop culture analysis episode that we're calling real Talk
Speaker 1: Fake Sex, And in this episode we are talking about
Speaker 1: ted Lasso, one of the only contemporary shows that Emily
Speaker 1: Nagaski has seen what I have actually watched. Okay. So
Speaker 1: Roy catches his girlfriend Keely masturbating to something on her phone.
Speaker 1: He asks to see what she's watching, and they have
Speaker 1: a little back and forth, a delightful back and forth
Speaker 1: about that, and then Keily hands him her phone and
Speaker 1: we see that Keely has been watching a YouTube video
Speaker 1: of her boyfriend at a press conference. I am announcing
Speaker 1: my retirement. Wow. Okay, So it turns out Keeley is
Speaker 1: masturbating to her boyfriend announcing his retirement and crying yeah
Speaker 1: about leaving the sport he loves. Oh my god, the fuck?
Speaker 1: This is your kink? Maybe I pathetic? Not being pathetic,
Speaker 1: you mean passionate and vulnerable. When he thinks about that video,
Speaker 1: he thinks that it's him being pathetic. Yeah, but Keiley.
Speaker 1: Keiley's like, it's not pathetic, it is passionate and vulnerable.
Speaker 1: It's this reframe that tells us what she really loves
Speaker 1: about him, not that he's a football player, but that
Speaker 1: he can be passionate and vulnerable like that. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I love the characters who like never smile in public
Speaker 1: and they only ever in public express masculine emotions and
Speaker 1: masculinity you're allowed to be angry, you're allowed to win,
Speaker 1: and you're allowed to be horny, and that's basically it.
Speaker 1: But if this stoic never smiles in public, never expresses
Speaker 1: other emotions, then you get him in private and he
Speaker 1: shares with you. They're soft, squishy insides. You get to
Speaker 1: feel like you earn that tenderness and that vulnerability. That's
Speaker 1: mister Darcy from Pride and Prejudice. Right in the beginning,
Speaker 1: he never smiles, he's never sweet. But in the second
Speaker 1: half he comes back and there's all this vulnerability and
Speaker 1: passion and it's like he's a fried cheese stick of
Speaker 1: a man with his crispy exterior and the warm, gooey inside.
Speaker 1: Of course, it is hot that she has granted access
Speaker 1: to his mozzarella insides, and I actually think that the
Speaker 1: disappearance of Roy's bull nobility and passion after he retires
Speaker 1: makes really good sense. Of course that goes away. Here's
Speaker 1: the guy with the job that intensely validates his performance
Speaker 1: of like high masculinity. You know how there's like high femme.
Speaker 1: This is high masculinity. He is hairy and strong and big.
Speaker 1: He's a professional athlete. And the confidence there are people
Speaker 1: who chant his name because he's good a sport, but
Speaker 1: because it's so validating, it gives him this confidence that
Speaker 1: turns into permission to reveal his vulnerability. When he's with
Speaker 1: his girl friend, she gets the gooey inside. He proves
Speaker 1: that he is masculine enough when he's on the pitch
Speaker 1: so that he doesn't have to prove that when he's
Speaker 1: alone with her. And now because he has retired, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have that validation anymore. The confidence that comes from
Speaker 1: all of that validation, the confidence of the he knows
Speaker 1: he's masculine enough to be vulnerable with Keiey. And of
Speaker 1: course she misses it. Of course she does. After he
Speaker 1: sees what she's watching, Roy says, this is your kink.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think about him using the word
Speaker 1: kink there, Like, maybe he's just using that term colloquially,
Speaker 1: but what's going on there. I think he's really using
Speaker 1: it just to indicate that he doesn't understand why that
Speaker 1: would be sexy for her, in particular, when he finds
Speaker 1: it the opposite of sexy, he finds it humiliating. It
Speaker 1: would make sense for him to assume that what turns
Speaker 1: her on is his masculine self. Like she's dating a footballer,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't she masturbate to a video of him scoring
Speaker 1: a literal goal? Because that's how he understands masculinity, that
Speaker 1: it's that performance that women are interested in. And I
Speaker 1: don't think at any point he thinks that she's turned
Speaker 1: on by a video of anyone crying, which would like
Speaker 1: put it into like I just like I love watching
Speaker 1: people cry and that's what turns me on. I think
Speaker 1: he understands from the beginning that it's the video of
Speaker 1: him crying that turns her on. Well, it's interesting to
Speaker 1: me that Keiely is turned on by this video even
Speaker 1: though it's not sexual or explicit per se. What do
Speaker 1: you make of that? Not sexual? According to whom? Because
Speaker 1: it clearly activates Keiley's accelerator right as far as her
Speaker 1: brain is concerned, this is a sex related stimulus so
Speaker 1: strong that any amount of breaks hitting does not interfere.
Speaker 1: She is into his emotion, his passion, his vulnerability that
Speaker 1: it turns her on. Okay, So now I want to
Speaker 1: bring you the last part of the scene. We leave
Speaker 1: the moment where they're talking about the video and the masturbation.
Speaker 1: The episode continues. Gets a new job as a pundit
Speaker 1: on TV talking about soccer, which is something that Keely
Speaker 1: had encouraged him to do because she thinks he'll love it,
Speaker 1: and he does. He loves it. So he comes home
Speaker 1: from his first day on the job and he's feeling
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with emotion, overwhelmed with happiness. But it's impossible to
Speaker 1: tell if Roy Kent is happy because he just looks
Speaker 1: permanently grumpy. Had a guy come Bibe say something, Well,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna pretend that you hated it. You're amazing
Speaker 1: shits you many today, Okay, So let me just explain
Speaker 1: what's happening in the scene because you can't see it, Okay.
Speaker 1: So Roy takes Keeley's phone and he starts looking something
Speaker 1: up on it, like typing into it, and he says
Speaker 1: to her, he says, I want to thank you properly, okay,
Speaker 1: and then he kneels in front of her, like in
Speaker 1: between her legs, he puts her air pods in her ears,
Speaker 1: and then he hands her back her phone, tells her
Speaker 1: to press play, and and it's the video of him
Speaker 1: crying at his retirement speech. So for the listeners, basically
Speaker 1: he is going down on her while she watches this
Speaker 1: video of him crying and in scene. So, I've watched
Speaker 1: the whole series three times, and the first time I
Speaker 1: saw this, when I realized why he was putting in
Speaker 1: the air pods, I gasped and my jaw dropped and
Speaker 1: I cried. I loved it so much because he's giving
Speaker 1: her what she likes in a way where he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to hear it himself. He just gets a big
Speaker 1: old mouthful of puss. I didn't think about that that, Like,
Speaker 1: he is not turned on by it. So by giving
Speaker 1: her the AirPods, he doesn't even have to hear it.
Speaker 1: It's all for her, right, And so for him to
Speaker 1: bring it back up to be like, I know this
Speaker 1: works for you, and I have no shame about that,
Speaker 1: and I want it to keep working for you if
Speaker 1: it's working for you, like that really struck me. I
Speaker 1: would like to point out that what he chooses not
Speaker 1: only does he choose the video. He also chooses Kona Lingus.
Speaker 1: Maybe they have intercourse later, but like he chooses Kino
Speaker 1: Lingus first, and season one established for us that Keiley
Speaker 1: likes Kona Lingus. So he's choosing two things that really
Speaker 1: center and prioritize her pleasure totally. Yes, So imagine a
Speaker 1: real life Keiley and Roy couple, Like, how would you
Speaker 1: see a video like this or stibulus like this playing
Speaker 1: into their sex life Because I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: they would want to be watching it all the time,
Speaker 1: or she would want to be watching it all the time.
Speaker 1: It feels to me like in the story, it's fulfilling
Speaker 1: the role of the vulnerability and passion that she used
Speaker 1: to have access to directly through the man. And as
Speaker 1: he continues to feel validated and connected with the game
Speaker 1: he loves, which affirms his masculinity, he'll stay confident enough
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable with Keeley and not lose the passion
Speaker 1: and that authenticity that she finds such a turn on. So,
Speaker 1: based on this scene and what you were talking about
Speaker 1: about vulnerability and maybe things that turn people on being emotional, Like,
Speaker 1: do you have any advice for real couples that might
Speaker 1: be turned on by vulnerability, but struggling to access it
Speaker 1: with each other. Yeah, I think the main thing to
Speaker 1: understand is that we act invulnerable for reasons. Whether you're
Speaker 1: following the it's a girl script you were handed or
Speaker 1: the it's a boy script you were handed, you were
Speaker 1: taught that certain emotions were acceptable and other emotions were
Speaker 1: not acceptable, and you literally were punished for expressing the
Speaker 1: emotions outside of the script that you were told was
Speaker 1: here's everything you're allowed to say and do. So I
Speaker 1: was told that I was ugly when I frowned, right,
Speaker 1: and boys are told to be little men, boys don't cry.
Speaker 1: Could we've actually been punished for these things. So if
Speaker 1: we struggle to display these things in front of our
Speaker 1: significant other, it's not for no reason, right, But there
Speaker 1: is a lot of sexy potential when we behave outside
Speaker 1: of our scripts. Yeah, Because like for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm attracted to mostly films and women and seeing them
Speaker 1: get angry is really hot to me. And that's something
Speaker 1: that was outside of the film script you know that
Speaker 1: we're told is acceptable. See, And what is it about
Speaker 1: the anger? It's not the anger per se, right, that's hot, right,
Speaker 1: It is the trust and authenticity that they're exhibiting with you,
Speaker 1: that they know that you welcome that from them, that
Speaker 1: it's okay, that you feel safe and you're not worried
Speaker 1: about them expressing anger in front of you, Like we
Speaker 1: are connected in this moment a way that is not
Speaker 1: obstructed by all the cultural noise about what emotions are acceptable.
Speaker 1: That is a hot take down. I think it would
Speaker 1: be advanced to begin with tell me what you think
Speaker 1: about or watch when you masturbate. Some couples are ready
Speaker 1: for that conversation, but maybe just start with a gentler
Speaker 1: conversation about tell me some of the good things you'd
Speaker 1: like about our erotic connection, and gradually build up to
Speaker 1: tell me what you think about our watch when you masturbate.
Speaker 1: I love that this has not turned into a conversation
Speaker 1: about watching stuff when you masturbate, and couples you know,
Speaker 1: watching different things, but really the deeper conversation about emotional
Speaker 1: erotic connection. I think you take a break, what do
Speaker 1: you think definitely cool down? Yes, take a little cool down,
Speaker 1: get a cold glass of water, and when we get back, Emily,
Speaker 1: you're going to rate this scene as a sex educate.
Speaker 1: So Emily, I have devised a five star rating system.
Speaker 1: It is a zero to five star scale. Zero being
Speaker 1: an active violence portrayed as eratica maybe something you would
Speaker 1: have seen on Game of Thrones not to name any names,
Speaker 1: but actually yes, to name a name there, and five
Speaker 1: stars being like incredible, something that made your work as
Speaker 1: a sex educator easier. I'm actually going to give this
Speaker 1: scene at four point five. Wow, hell yeah, a very
Speaker 1: high rating, right, a very high rating. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could have chosen something to torture me, but instead
Speaker 1: you chose one of my favorite things in media, So
Speaker 1: that's great. So what makes it a four point five?
Speaker 1: What do you like about this scene? I love their
Speaker 1: curiosity and non judgment of each other's erotic minds. I
Speaker 1: love their communication. I love that they don't diss each other,
Speaker 1: but they do ask questions. And on a superficial level,
Speaker 1: it's a good model of how to approach the fact
Speaker 1: that your partner masturbates without you, or the fact that
Speaker 1: you masturbate without your partner. Right, that's the superficial level,
Speaker 1: But on a deeper level, I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a good model of how to navigate gender bullshit that
Speaker 1: all of us are carrying around, regardless of your gender
Speaker 1: or your partner's gender. There is some junk that is
Speaker 1: just in you, and it prevents us from becoming our
Speaker 1: full erotic selves. And this is a great example. Without
Speaker 1: requiring Roy to change and become a person who like
Speaker 1: articulates his feelings and flowing sonnets, he can still be
Speaker 1: himself and also not buy into the lies that he's
Speaker 1: not allowed to be vulnerable or passionate and that for
Speaker 1: someone to love that about him is a kink. But
Speaker 1: I can't go to a full five, right why. I
Speaker 1: understand that they needed to be efficient in a storytelling.
Speaker 1: I'm making a television show, but I do wish there
Speaker 1: were more non genital touch before he goes right for
Speaker 1: the vulva. Oh right, we can't see the video, but
Speaker 1: he goes full face into the crotch in the final scene. Right.
Speaker 1: So I like to imagine that in real life he
Speaker 1: would spend some time with his hands all over her,
Speaker 1: and his mouth on her knees and her in her
Speaker 1: thighs and like all that very sensitive area before he
Speaker 1: goes anywhere near the clit. And I want to mention
Speaker 1: that I am making assumptions about her genital organization, that
Speaker 1: he's a sisgender woman with it's a girl's parts. We
Speaker 1: don't know that for sure, but I'm going to assume
Speaker 1: THATTT for expediency right now. Another part that's missing is
Speaker 1: that she's really worried. He says, give me your phone.
Speaker 1: She doesn't know why she's giving him her phone. It's
Speaker 1: only when she sees that he put on the video
Speaker 1: that she knows everything is okay. And she goes from
Speaker 1: worried too aroused in like two seconds and again expediency.
Speaker 1: It's a television show, but like in real life, it
Speaker 1: would probably take more of a warm up page. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's a little bit unrealistic. All right, So you're giving
Speaker 1: the scene from ted Lasso a four point five. I'm
Speaker 1: putting it on the books, I'm marking it down, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure the producers of ted Lasso will be very
Speaker 1: impressed by that. Oh, they are definitely listening right now,
Speaker 1: and they have a lot to say. I'm getting okay.
Speaker 1: So next week we're going to answer another question, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be about a concept that you introduced
Speaker 1: me to, Emily, which is the Enthusiastic Maybe Okay. Commas
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