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Speaker 1: Yes, Brendan Being and Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast is here.

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Speaker 1: We have no Fear. On today's I Am Rappaport Stereo Podcast,

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Speaker 1: we have a guest, a special, fantastic, very interesting, iconic

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Speaker 1: news man, Chris Hanson, the host of To Catch a Predator.

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Speaker 1: This is a fantastic interview. We're talking about how that

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Speaker 1: End This is fantastic. Chris Hansen does the sick Fox

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Speaker 1: of the Week with me on today's I Am Rappaport

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Speaker 1: Stereo Podcast. Miles Jordan Ak the Bleach Brothers. Start this

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Speaker 1: with something real fun. This is the I Am Wrappaport

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Speaker 1: Stereo Podcast. Coming up. Special guest, Chris Hanson. I'm wrap

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Speaker 1: Ports Stereo podcast is here. Have no fear. I am very, very,

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Speaker 1: very very excited to be with my guest today, Chris Hansen.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that snap technique I liked in Michael,

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Speaker 1: I liked it a lot. It gave me energy. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, you have your own network.

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Speaker 1: You have shows that that snap technique. It's patent, it's cold,

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Speaker 1: so if you if you steal it, you use it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, lawyers will be knocking

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Speaker 1: down your door hunting me as the predator Boom Chris Hansen, newsman,

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Speaker 1: ten time Emmy winner, and in a weird way, I

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Speaker 1: culture phenomenon from your show To Catch a Predator. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you being here. Well, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here now. Normally I don't fact

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Speaker 1: it's it's too good to check out. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: streaming network and entire network, True Blue Streaming, you have

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Speaker 1: True Crime Nation. You have which is an update of

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Speaker 1: To Catch a Predator. You have Predators I've Caught with

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Speaker 1: Chris Hansen, which is your podcast. Because podcasts are like assholes.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna have one. Everybody's gonna have one, and some

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Speaker 1: You have stuff going on up to Wa Zoo. It's good.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a good time to be me, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and it's um. I've got a great team working

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Speaker 1: do them in an impactful way, whether it's the new

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Speaker 1: Predator investigations or the many other crime stories documentaries were

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Speaker 1: got You're sick funk of the week. You got a

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Speaker 1: sick funk of the week. Please please. This is an

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Speaker 1: I am Rappaport stereo podcast exclusive. I have Chris Hansen

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Speaker 1: bringing you the sick Fuck of the Week. This is

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Speaker 1: an award that is earned, not given, earned, not given.

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Speaker 1: It's called the sick the fun of the one. He's sick,

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Speaker 1: really fucking sick, man, just fucking whack line. Make them.

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Speaker 1: You smell like a sick funk. You look like a

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Speaker 1: six A supposed to be on a plane. You sick?

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Speaker 1: You doing? Hey, man, leave that chicken alone, Leave the

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Speaker 1: chicken alone? What are you doing to the chicken that

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Speaker 1: doesn't belong in a chicken? We had a guy in

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Speaker 1: our suburban Washington d C. Investigation who had chatted for

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Speaker 1: days and days with somebody he thought was a young

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Speaker 1: teenage girl wanting her to involve her dog in the

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Speaker 1: sex acts. Very specific and precise requests involving her having

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Speaker 1: sex with the dog and then him having sex with

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Speaker 1: her afterwards. Now he walks in, and I've got the transcripts.

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Speaker 1: He's a military guy, military intelligence officer, walks in and

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Speaker 1: the first thing he says is, and you can hear

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Speaker 1: him mutter it. The mic picks it up, where's the dog?

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Speaker 1: So he comes in and I lay into him the transcripts,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's talk of a dog. There's talk

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Speaker 1: of the girl having sex with the dog. There's talk

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Speaker 1: of you using that in wait so you can have

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Speaker 1: sex with the girl because she's a virgin. And he

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Speaker 1: you know, I got a problem. I've got issues. I

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Speaker 1: gotta figure it out, and I'm When he goes away

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Speaker 1: for four years now, I find him and I reach

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Speaker 1: out for the podcast and he basically says, don't ever

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Speaker 1: call me again. Fair enough, his significant other, he was married,

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Speaker 1: the wife died and he's dating this other woman calls

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Speaker 1: me and says, this gets weird. I'm a bit of

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Speaker 1: a fan and I think it'd be good for him

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Speaker 1: to do the interview. So we go through this for months,

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Speaker 1: back and forth, and he lays into me, you ruined

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Speaker 1: my life, blah blah blah, And I said, Joe, let

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Speaker 1: us review the facts of the case. You wanted to

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Speaker 1: have a girl to have sex with the dog so

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Speaker 1: that she would be lubricated so you could take her

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Speaker 1: human virginity. Right, So you're gonna be mad at me

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Speaker 1: you did this, and what would have happened if I

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Speaker 1: wasn't there with my crew and you found a girl

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Speaker 1: and this guy it wasn't his first rodeo, right. So

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Speaker 1: he ultimately says he'll do the interview. Then they go

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Speaker 1: radio silent, and we went to this particular part of

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Speaker 1: the country looking for them because I thought I could

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Speaker 1: find him and talk him into it, and they were

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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found, and so who knows. And now

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Speaker 1: they've changed numbers and they you know, they're not in

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Speaker 1: touch anymore. So I I my current opinion is they

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Speaker 1: probably won't do it, but I would like to is

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Speaker 1: as much as he is the sick funk of the week, clearly,

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Speaker 1: I would still like to sit down and interview him

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Speaker 1: and figure out, well, you know, where have you fixed yourself?

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Speaker 1: How did you fix yourself? He was in intensive therapy.

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Speaker 1: He did I think four years in prison, and it

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Speaker 1: was federal time because he got convicted by a military

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Speaker 1: tribunal because he was in one of the early investigations

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Speaker 1: where police were not involved in the actual sting. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: that's that's disturbing. But I mean, the federal government took

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Speaker 1: it so seriously, the military took it so seriously, the

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Speaker 1: army that they put out a press release saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: we refer this case to the U. S. Attorney's Office,

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Speaker 1: and they successfully prosecuted and he did serious time. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a true blue fucking the week, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we do with the I M N P stereo pockets. Man,

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Speaker 1: that's glad to be helpful. Yeah, so you started a network,

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Speaker 1: an actual television streaming network, true blue streaming network. How

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Speaker 1: did you start a network? And tell me about the network.

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Speaker 1: So the network focuses, as you would imagine by the name,

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Speaker 1: on crime reporting, crime documentaries. We also have a big

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Speaker 1: selection of documentaries done by other people. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you go to it, it looks like Netflix for crime.

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Speaker 1: But it's a partnership with a fellow named Sean rec

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Speaker 1: who owns Transition Studio. And Sean had done Murder in

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Speaker 1: the Park and done the White Boy documentary, and I

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Speaker 1: had about White Boy d Richard Worshi Jr. And I

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Speaker 1: had broken that story a million years ago as a

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Speaker 1: reporter in Detroit. You broke it because you were from

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Speaker 1: the because I was a reporter at Channel seven Action News.

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Speaker 1: So he reaches out many years later and says, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this documentary. Can I interview you? I said yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So five six years ago we do this interview and

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Speaker 1: the documentary ends up being a big deal, so it

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Speaker 1: gets a lot of attention, and he circles background and says, look,

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Speaker 1: I have this idea for a crime streaming network. I've

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Speaker 1: done it already with American Gospel TV, which is the

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Speaker 1: most successful streaming network you've never heard of. He had

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Speaker 1: a producer who did a documentary called American Gospel about

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Speaker 1: questionable practices in the gospel world in the Christian Church,

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Speaker 1: and it was more or less as something to reward

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Speaker 1: him for all the crime reporting this producer done. Sean

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Speaker 1: funded it. It becomes a huge grassroots hit, and then

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Speaker 1: that producer comes back to him says, I want to

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Speaker 1: do a streaming network. I think this would be Biggs.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll do it huge. So Sean had already

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Speaker 1: done this. He had the template down in a you know,

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Speaker 1: smaller version for American Gospel TV, which remains hugely popular

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Speaker 1: but very selectively targeted. So when he approached me on

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Speaker 1: this it was a no brainer. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: to control the content, to control the distribution of the content,

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Speaker 1: to own the content, and to avoid the bureaucracy of

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Speaker 1: large networks. Michael, the last two big projects I did

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Speaker 1: for Discovery plus Love the People a Discovery have done

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Speaker 1: a ton of work at Discovery Love Love, Love Them,

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Speaker 1: but one was twelve months from pitch to air, which

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Speaker 1: was lightning fast for them, and the other was almost

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Speaker 1: two years, the Peter and Igard investigation in Onisian. In

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Speaker 1: real life it takes forever. There's A meetings and B

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Speaker 1: meetings and C meetings and green light meetings. And now

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Speaker 1: I called Sewan and say I need a crew on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I'll give an example. We have this documentary show series

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Speaker 1: coming out called The Facebook Fiend. This guy was on

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Speaker 1: social media targeting young women, creating relationships, stealing money, and

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Speaker 1: in many cases physically and sexually assaulting them. These young

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Speaker 1: women got together and they came to me, directly to

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Speaker 1: me and said, this guy is out there. He's a

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Speaker 1: bad guy. I do all the interviews. Now again there's

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Speaker 1: no writing pitches. I called Sean and tell him what

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Speaker 1: it is. We have the people coming too the studio.

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Speaker 1: We interview all the people. We figure out which law

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Speaker 1: enforcement agencies should be prosecuting this. This one agency in

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Speaker 1: Washington State makes a case, they get a warrant. We

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Speaker 1: find out this guy is staying up with somebody in

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Speaker 1: Queens and working in Brooklyn. Well, guess what happened this morning?

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Speaker 1: At seven am? The U S marshals went in, grabbed

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Speaker 1: his ass and took him to the n y p

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Speaker 1: D where he will go through a hearing as we speak,

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Speaker 1: and will be taken back extradited to Washington State to

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Speaker 1: face charges. In this case. This is from late summer

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Speaker 1: fall too, January three. Because as you know, and reading

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Speaker 1: the subtext of what you're saying, dealing with networks and

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Speaker 1: network executives and researchers and development, it's a pain in

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Speaker 1: the ass. It is. And I understand, especially something that

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Speaker 1: you do that you understand that you sort of crafted

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Speaker 1: and creating on your own. It's not rocket science in

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Speaker 1: terms of the way it's presented. It's not. It's forty

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Speaker 1: years of knowing who to call and what to do

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Speaker 1: and being able to expedite this. It's the best of

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Speaker 1: all worlds. It's the best of local news where you

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Speaker 1: get a tip at four pm, and it's the lead

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Speaker 1: at six and the best of the network shows where

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Speaker 1: millions of people have access to it. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I presented this first at Crime Con in Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: this summer and the people in the audience and we

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Speaker 1: had a clip of the Facebook feed and we had

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Speaker 1: a clip of the new Petitor series and the people

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Speaker 1: got it five thou people got it instantly. What else

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Speaker 1: do you want to do want the network? Like? Is

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Speaker 1: there a sort of godfather? Is there a sort of

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Speaker 1: opus that you want to do at the network? Um?

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Speaker 1: In your head? Like what would be your dream thing

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Speaker 1: in terms of telling stories at True Blue streaming network? Well,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it now. I think the ultimate goal will

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Speaker 1: be able to be able to throw a switch and

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Speaker 1: go live. For instance, the Idaho accused murderer. Talk about

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Speaker 1: that one, Well, that's a fascinating case. So as you know,

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Speaker 1: there was an arrest in Pennsylvania the other day, and

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Speaker 1: um he was connected to the killings of the four

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Speaker 1: students in Idaho, and um, the case is fascinated the

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Speaker 1: world really, And there was this feeling that maybe the Moscow,

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Speaker 1: Idaho PD wasn't up to the task and was late

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Speaker 1: getting the bi Well, none of that is true. They

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Speaker 1: did a great job, and they did everything they were

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Speaker 1: supposed to do, and they held things close to the vest.

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Speaker 1: And guess what it looks like they cracked the case right.

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Speaker 1: And good on them because I don't see anything that

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Speaker 1: they did except good solid police work. And I've followed

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Speaker 1: these cases for forty years. So what I want to

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Speaker 1: do is get True Blue to the point where we

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Speaker 1: can flip a switch and you know, when the Moscow

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00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: Police does their news conference, it's on all our platforms.

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Speaker 1: When this guy is in court, it can be on

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Speaker 1: all our platforms. And then we have the people, not

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Speaker 1: just me, but other people in the group to um

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Speaker 1: to talk about in comment on it. So we have that,

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Speaker 1: and we have the news magazine True Crime Nation, which

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Speaker 1: is within True Blue, which I want to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: turn into a weekly event where we break news and

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Speaker 1: people quotas and and we're well on our way to

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Speaker 1: get there. But it's a great way. It looked at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day. The same enterprising techniques that

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Speaker 1: we applied to producing and reporting Predator, we're just taking

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Speaker 1: enterprising techniques and applying them to the distribution of this

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Speaker 1: very unique branded content that we have and and nobody

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Speaker 1: else can really do it. I mean, people are I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: Dan Abrahams is doing it with Long Crime. He's doing

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Speaker 1: great job over there. But he figured it out. I've

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Speaker 1: figured it out. Other people are figuring out in their

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Speaker 1: own niches like that's more you know, courtroom stuff. But

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Speaker 1: they do a lot of other great work as well.

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Speaker 1: But you know there's some collap going on there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he and I know each other. He he knows where

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Speaker 1: it's going. I know where it's going. Did you hear

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Speaker 1: about this case? I'm sure you did, which I'm sure

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Speaker 1: is going to be discussed more. It was over the holidays,

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Speaker 1: an attractive twenty two year old girl from Bensoner's Brooklyn Um.

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Speaker 1: Her last name was second Dino. I just remembered it

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Speaker 1: because I was like some Italian names. They I'm like

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Speaker 1: second Dino Um. She uh confessed to killing her father

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Speaker 1: with a knife, and she was like, you know, it

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Speaker 1: looks like almost like an Instagram girl, like a cute

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Speaker 1: twenty two year ago. This seems like a case that's

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Speaker 1: going to turn into something. We're looking at that right now.

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Speaker 1: This is the case where the father, the uncle, whoever

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Speaker 1: it was, was selling pictures or head pictures stored as

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Speaker 1: the same. That is that I know, I've got to

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Speaker 1: look into it, and I don't want to speak before

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Speaker 1: knowing you know completely about the case, but I think

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Speaker 1: there was another there was a motive there, and a

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00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: couple of cases like that floating around right now, and

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Speaker 1: the other thing that we're producing a huge project on

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Speaker 1: is this sextortion talk about kids who get tricked many

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Speaker 1: times by internet scam artists half a world away in

640
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: in Western Africa into transmitting, you know, essentially portographic pictures

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00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: of themselves. And there's a case outside of Cleveland, seventeen

642
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: year old track star grad student who you know, has

643
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: what he thinks is a girl. Send him some video.

644
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: He sends video back. This is on Instagram. By the way,

645
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: this isn't in some weird dark web training, you know, bizarre.

646
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: This is on Instagram. And then this extortionist, sex stortionist says,

647
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Speaker 1: give me a hundred dollars, send me gift cards to

648
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: all this, to all that, and the kid kills himself

649
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: in his parents home. So now the parents have to

650
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: celebrate Christmas. This happened right before Christmas without their son.

651
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: And the word that they're trying to get out. And

652
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: what we're going to show in this in this series

653
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: we're doing is that these kids have to you know,

654
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: so what if somebody's got a picture of you, what

655
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: are they really going to do with it? How are

656
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: they going to harm a seventeen year Okay, they're going

657
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: to send it to grandma. What's grandma gonna know that? Right?

658
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: Just tell your parents what's happened and go to the police. Now,

659
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: the odds of catching somebody in an internet cafe and

660
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: lagos or benin or quote of awe are very remote.

661
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: But the danger that it realistically poses to a child,

662
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: in terms of somebody tricking you into showing a picture

663
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: of yourself of a sexually charged nature, that danger is

664
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: remote too. And we have to get the message out

665
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: to kids and parents to say, hey, look, everybody as up.

666
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: But when you and I were growing up, you know,

667
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: the worst thing he had was you know, speaking into

668
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: you know, Mr West's garage and grabbing his playboys out

669
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: of the secret box by the chevelle. You know, these

670
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: cameras and social media are the whole different world, and

671
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: they're good at these car artists are good at exploding

672
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: an adolescent's mind and helping them up and making them

673
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: feel that I gotta act now or then when they

674
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: run out of money. You know what, kids got more

675
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: than a hundred bucks. So is this specifically? Is this

676
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: a specific show called sextortion? I don't know what it's

677
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: gonna be called, but it'll be on True Blue and

678
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: it will be It's we're producing a major project that

679
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 1: we'll talk about all this, investigate it, and we're gonna

680
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: take it as far as we can. We've got uh

681
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: some cases on the West Coast where we know who

682
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: was behind them. We're going to expose those people and

683
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: we're not only going to do it for True Blue,

684
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: but we're gonna produce something that schools can use around

685
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: the country because it is it illegal Essentially if you're

686
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: under age, if you send a picture of yourself even

687
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: to a friend like a boyfriend girlfriend that's sexually of

688
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: sexual nature, isn't that become you forget getting the transmission

689
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: of child pornography is illegal, So even if you're sending

690
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: it to a child, it's illegal. Oh shit. Kids need

691
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: to know about that. They do and it happens at

692
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: school that across the country where they can friends they

693
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Speaker 1: can wow. You know when you sit down with the

694
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Speaker 1: Predators later on on the podcast Predators, I have caught

695
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: with Chris Hansen, Like you mentioned it a little earlier,

696
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: but what is essentially your agenda, like what is your

697
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: your thought process of what are you trying to get out?

698
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: What I try to do is immerse myself in the video.

699
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: In the chat logs, we try to find his uch

700
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: out about that person. We try to get them to

701
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: sit down and talk to us, which we've not been

702
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: able to do yet, but a number of cases are close.

703
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: And we tell that story. I tell it in my

704
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: own voice. I don't write a script. It's a total

705
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: immersion experience. And then I just tell this story, you know,

706
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: with antidotes that I've not shared before, and then we

707
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: get into where the guy is, what he's done. I've

708
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: been able to get a couple snippets of audio recorded

709
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: with them, and those are interesting to people who followed this.

710
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: And there's a whole community called the TCAP community, which

711
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: is the acronym for to Catch a Predator, and they

712
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: follow this stuff very closely, and they report occasionally to

713
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: me about one they or another. There are subreddits about

714
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: this um. You know, people watch you know, these characters

715
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: very closely, and there's one in particular. His name is

716
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: Lauren Armstrong, surfaced in an investigation we had in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

717
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: And this guy has become iconic and they call it

718
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: because he said, oh God, oh God when he was

719
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: getting arrested. When I confronted c A. W D. There's

720
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: a Church of cod they call it. He lives up

721
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: in Maine. He's out and we've been back and forth

722
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: trying to negotiate a way to do an interview, and

723
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: he's got some cocka maybe you know, conditions he wants

724
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: met and hopefully he'll drop those and we'll be able

725
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: to do the interview, but it will be in a

726
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: major event for these people who all this. Do you

727
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: watch these other documentaries? Another fantastic Iron Wrappers stereo podcast episode,

728
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Speaker 1: We did our twenty sikest fucking documentaries of all time

729
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: and that was just the first twenty. But like don't

730
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: funk with cats? Are you able to watch some or

731
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: is that sort of like you do enough of this

732
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: in your own I watch him and because I'd like

733
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: to see what, you know, what other content creators are

734
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: doing and how they put it together. You know, some

735
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: of them like making a murder, you know, serious questions

736
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: raised about that. In fact, sean rec Transition Studio, my

737
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: partner in Trew Blue, has the flip side of that

738
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: in a major documentary that's going to be coming out

739
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: very soon. It shows what really went on in that

740
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: first documentary. And how skewed it was, and how what

741
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: the point of view was, and how they messed with

742
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: the facts. And they go back, those producers who go

743
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: back and with it together, and it's really eye opening.

744
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: What about the Staircase? Did you watch that? I did?

745
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: Who do you think killed? What do you think it was?

746
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: The Eagle? Do you think the guy did it? I

747
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. I know who you're talking about.

748
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've seen you don't need

749
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: his name. But then there was like crazy theories. I

750
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions about that case and I

751
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: need to take a closer look at it before I,

752
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, I make any pronouncements on it. But I

753
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: it was fascinating material, crazy, you know, but it um

754
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: and it said that template in a lot of ways

755
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of other documentaries because of you know,

756
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: when they did and how they did it. It was

757
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: twelve hours or ten hours. At first it was eight

758
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: hours and then they did ten Where I was, I mean,

759
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: this was like talk about Godfather Apocalypse night. But it

760
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: was all it was all everybody was talking about in

761
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: my business for a long time. I mean, it set

762
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: set the standard in many ways for some of these documentaries. Yeah,

763
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: I agree. Now you're also doing a one man show,

764
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: which I'm what the hell is this? Excited? So I

765
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: was approached the same fellows who produced my podcast had

766
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: a relationship with the South Point Casino in Las Vegas,

767
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: which is off the strip, but they do a lot

768
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: of amazing shows. They have all the rodeos, they're the

769
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: major equestrian facility. It's a very nice, clean casino. They've

770
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: got great restaurants, they do the Pro Bowling Tour, they

771
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: have NASCAR our team. And I was approached to do

772
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: a multimedia one man show called Have a Seat with

773
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: Chris Hansen. And so we're gonna be out there February third, fourth,

774
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: and fifth, and we're putting the finishing details on the

775
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: show and it will take people inside these predator cases

776
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: and is big video screens, and we've got material that's

777
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: never been shown before, and and it's gonna be highly polished,

778
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: highly produced, and I think the goal would be too

779
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how it goes in Vegas. I'm

780
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: excited about it. It's something totally out of my comfort zone.

781
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. If you had asked me twenty years

782
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: ago what I ever do a show in Vegas. I said, well, no,

783
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: I'll talk to the homicide convention in Vegas. I've done

784
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: stories that we did a series for Dateline called Vegas Undercover.

785
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I've done that, but I never in a million years

786
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: imagined that I would do a one man show. Having

787
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: said that, I'm very excited about it. I think it

788
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, you know, in your business and your side

789
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: of the business that you know, you get a role

790
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: and it pushes you to think and be creative and

791
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: to maybe work without a net once a while, and

792
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: it makes you better in every other aspect of what

793
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: we do. And it's become a multimedia world. It's not

794
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: just you know, at least I think it my phase

795
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: of the game, having been in it forty years, It's

796
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: not just one job anymore. It's the podcast, it's the network,

797
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: it's the show within the network. It's being on the phone.

798
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: It's you know, putting these projects together, you know, and

799
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: and it's their long days, but they're very rewarding days,

800
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's where I'm at in the career.

801
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: I've got you know, my kids are grown, you know,

802
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: so I have this time and this energy and why

803
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: not spend it you know, why not have some fun

804
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: with it. I try to joe people in the world

805
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: they wouldn't normally see because you started off as a newsperson.

806
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: What is your take on the news on local news,

807
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: on cable news, on Fox News, CNN, fake news, real news.

808
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: There's so many resources. There's podcast, there's YouTube, there's sub stack,

809
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: there's you know, all sorts of stuff, like what is

810
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: your sort of point of view on the news? Do

811
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: you believe these guys? I do? Where do you get

812
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: your news? I get my news from everything from the

813
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: New York Times and the New York Post to the

814
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Washington Post. They have the top seven that comes out

815
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: every day that I find is a good read. You know.

816
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: I have a few, you know, alternative sources. You know,

817
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: I gather the news myself. But I still believe in

818
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: local news. I think local news is important, both newspapers

819
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: and television. My second son, my second oldest, is a

820
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: reporter for the Fox station in Orlando. He's out there

821
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: gutting out every night, and he cares. He cares whether

822
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: it's a Florida man story or somebody wrestling a bear

823
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: out of their kitchen, or whether it's a major story

824
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: about the former president of Brazil hiding out in Orlando.

825
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: It's he cares, and the other young people working at

826
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: that station care very deeply about it. I mean, there's

827
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: a television aspect to it. Yes, everybody's trying to get

828
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: to the next highest market and maybe to the network.

829
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: But he cares, and I think most people in local

830
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: news truly, truly care. They're out there in the streets

831
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: trying to tell you what the hell is going on

832
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: in your community. And I think in the newspapers now

833
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: you take it to the next level, and cable news

834
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: that a whole different shooting match. I mean, you you

835
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: have people exploiting the divisions in society to get ratings.

836
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: Now everybody is allowed point of view, right, the editorial

837
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: page and the Detroit News growing up was different than

838
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: the Free Press. One was lefty, one was writing. You know,

839
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: we knew that, but you read both and you came

840
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: up with your own opinion. You know. I pride myself

841
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: and the fact that my conservative friends think I'm a

842
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: wildlife liberal and my liberal friends think I'm too far.

843
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, nobody really know, and I keep it that way, right,

844
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: and my kids were raised that way. But we're not

845
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: going to go buy into flying some flag, you know,

846
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: in front of the house, because that's the flavor of

847
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: the day. If you think it through before you buy

848
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 1: in any bullshit. You know, I got you and before

849
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I let you go, I've heard that you have fitness goals.

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Speaker 1: You're about getting in shape. Walk me through the routine,

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Speaker 1: you know, let me through where Chris Hansen goes to

852
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Speaker 1: get those fucking games. I about a year and a

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Speaker 1: half ago, started going to a trainer just blocks from

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Speaker 1: this studio named Robert Brace, who's got a whole felosh.

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Speaker 1: He's great, he's great. He's guy. Was a ballet dancer,

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Speaker 1: British guy. Then he was a pastor in Harlem, and

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Speaker 1: then he got into this in a big way. And

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Speaker 1: he teaches and embraces a very specifically tailored physical fitness

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Speaker 1: program for individuals and a lot of guys you know,

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Speaker 1: in the media and entertainment and women to go there.

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Speaker 1: And he's just got me on a very centered program.

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Speaker 1: I've been you know, I've always been athletic, but it

863
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Speaker 1: was more of a you know, get on the peloton bike,

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Speaker 1: make sure I get my steps in. But I wasn't

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Speaker 1: doing weights, and I wasn't boxing, and do it through

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Speaker 1: the routine. Don't be humble. Walk me through what's going

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Speaker 1: on in the gym there? What goes on the gym?

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Speaker 1: I get there, I hit the treadmill. Depending on when

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Speaker 1: they're like on eight seven, like we could speak running,

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Speaker 1: I do six miles an hour for you know, six

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Speaker 1: minutes or five for five if it depends on how

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Speaker 1: rough they want to treat me that day, and then

873
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Speaker 1: get off. I'll do some boxing, you know, and they've

874
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Speaker 1: got me south, are you convince your writing? And you

875
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Speaker 1: know I grew up in in the Detroit area, so

876
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Speaker 1: we all know how to fight. But shout out the

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Speaker 1: time crump Jim, Yeah, okay, go ahead, exactly, walk me

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Speaker 1: through it and then um, they'll go some more cardio

879
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Speaker 1: than to waits ship, you know, so do that. It's

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Speaker 1: an hour, it's a full hour. And then um stretching

881
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Speaker 1: And at my age, yes, stretching has become so important.

882
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Speaker 1: My stepdaughter got a new puppy. In the puppy of

883
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Speaker 1: course within two weeks fractured. It's right with your leg

884
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Speaker 1: and has a cast on. He's great, he's getting around,

885
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: but he's a great dog. But you know, you bend

886
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Speaker 1: over to grab the dog because I was taking him

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Speaker 1: for a walk. And you feel your back because you

888
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Speaker 1: hadn't stretched that day. Well, today we worked on a

889
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Speaker 1: lot of stretching. The back feels great. You gotta keep

890
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: those hips looped. You gotta keep you got, you gotta

891
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: keep the you gotta keep them all moving. You know.

892
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: It's uh. And then the other thing that I do

893
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Speaker 1: if I'm in the city, especially is I'll get steps

894
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: in a day, and to keep moving, and to watch

895
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Speaker 1: the diet. You know, I was a pig over Christmas

896
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Speaker 1: and eating desserts and you dog, I mean just you know,

897
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Speaker 1: we get disgusting. One night I had Christmas just you

898
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Speaker 1: don't even want to know, but you do. Well we

899
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Speaker 1: have besides that, the oysters are not a problem. That's

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Speaker 1: just pure protein. But we we had the crab legs.

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00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: And then I go on to this bakery and gotten

902
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: all the different desserts and key line. What do we

903
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: talking about? Everything? So you get the little and get

904
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Speaker 1: every kind imaginable. So it's cheesecake, and it's key Line

905
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Speaker 1: pie and chocolate flowerless cakes and all the little ones.

906
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Speaker 1: But the cookies, cookies too. Oh yeah, we had cookies

907
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Speaker 1: you had all that. Yeah, but the killer is we

908
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Speaker 1: get these pizzas from Chicago, these lou male naughties, you know,

909
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Speaker 1: the deep dish, and they sent them to the house

910
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Speaker 1: on dry eyes. You put them in the freeze and

911
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Speaker 1: you put them in the other for four to five mists.

912
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Speaker 1: They come out just like you're at the restaurant. So

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Speaker 1: they and then you know, but they're the deep cheese

914
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Speaker 1: and a sausage and they have one that is the

915
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Chicago Italian beef with palapenos in it. Yeah. So this

916
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Speaker 1: all happened over the brawl. Havn't not. I'm off it now,

917
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Speaker 1: but we we we all say we're off it now now.

918
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Speaker 1: I asked Chris Hanson the hard hitting questions. He asks

919
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Speaker 1: his people the hard hitting question, the hardest hitting question.

920
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking right into the camera. You box, you stretch,

921
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Speaker 1: you do the weights. You're on the treadmill, Chris Hansen,

922
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Speaker 1: do you plank? I can plank? What are we talking about?

923
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Speaker 1: Because I I'm just gonna I'm not bragging. I'm not bragging.

924
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Speaker 1: But you probably already heard about this already six minutes. Chris.

925
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Speaker 1: And if you asked me, do you think I could

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Speaker 1: do a six minute plank. Before I did a six

927
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Speaker 1: minute plank, I would say, you know, you could you

928
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Speaker 1: say I'm obviously fit because you could you see it, right,

929
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Speaker 1: you just see it. It's like I'm even even in

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Speaker 1: the stick Cashmicks, where do you see sort of like

931
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Speaker 1: everything it's a glow. It's an aura. Six minute plank.

932
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Speaker 1: That's impressive. I don't know that I've ever done a

933
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Speaker 1: six You can do it. I probably could get there.

934
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Speaker 1: I usually as a part of the training routine, I'll

935
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Speaker 1: do a one minute at the end. After of course, no,

936
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Speaker 1: we gotta do more. We gotta do more because you

937
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Speaker 1: know why. The thing about planking is that it's mental.

938
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Speaker 1: Oh it's mental. And if I could fucking do it, yeah,

939
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Speaker 1: you could fucking do it, and I wanted to because

940
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Speaker 1: you're a businessman. I'm thinking about doing my own fitness

941
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Speaker 1: and the fitness model is going to be if I

942
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: could fucking do it, Yeah you can do it. Well,

943
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, you know, if you had asked

944
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Speaker 1: me at the beginning of starting with Robert Braise, if

945
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Speaker 1: I could do all the stuff that I was doing again,

946
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Speaker 1: you know, I skier, you know, play tennis and ron

947
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Speaker 1: and get steps in and all that stuff. But you know,

948
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Speaker 1: the stuff that he's got me doing is way above

949
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Speaker 1: my normal what I thought my tolerances would. Yeah, and

950
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Speaker 1: I enjoy it. You know, everybody wakes up and you

951
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: know it's like I got a other stuff to do,

952
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: and then you get through that work on it's like, wow,

953
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Speaker 1: you know, I feel really good about myself. Now I

954
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Speaker 1: can go, you know, slay the rest of the day,

955
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Speaker 1: especially traveling. I mean you probably travel fair bit and

956
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be fit to travel. You gotta

957
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: get your mind right and um, you know, just get

958
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Speaker 1: through it. Chris Hansen True Blue Streaming Network. Where do

959
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: we find the True Blue streaming and get all the

960
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: information you need? A watch True Blue dot Com. But

961
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: it's not there's an app. It's on Roku, it's on

962
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: all the platforms. But if you got to watch True

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00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Blue dot Com t r U b L you it'll

964
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Speaker 1: lay it all out for you. The podcast True Crime Nation,

965
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: that's the news magazine on the network, and the podcast

966
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: is Predators I've Caught with Chris Hansen. And then the

967
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: one man Show in Vegas. We have a seat with

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Speaker 1: Chris Hansen Live. That's gonna be fun. I think so.

969
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm excited. We're gonna go back out there in two

970
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Speaker 1: weeks to rehearse, but I think I think it'll be good.

971
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Speaker 1: I wish you all the best of all of Michael.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time

973
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Speaker 1: to come. This is fun. Uh and uh, you know,

974
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: like everybody's a fair last question, people see you on

975
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Speaker 1: the street. I mean, you haven't a usual fame because

976
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: you're not just a newsperson. You have this culture fame

977
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: when people see you on the street. People ask me

978
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: this all the time, but it's a little different with you.

979
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Speaker 1: What do people say? People scream with you those predators

980
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: or sometimes sometimes go get him. Sometimes you know, you

981
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: look just like Chris Hanson. I said, you know, I

982
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: get that all the time. Goes you sound like I'm

983
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, that's just the way you talking.

984
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Speaker 1: Says well, I'm in that kind No, I'm really no

985
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Speaker 1: way anyway. I wish you luck with the network. That

986
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Speaker 1: ain't an easy task. No, but it's it's it's good,

987
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Speaker 1: it's all it's all clicking. It's prime. Um. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Y're good luck with everything, and and thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. For the sick funk of the week man.

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Speaker 1: That was a big surprise. I had that in my back.

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Speaker 1: That was a big surprise. I'm Wrappport Stereo Pockets. I'm out,

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Speaker 1: Chris Hanson, thank you so much, my pleasure boom. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank Chris Hansen. Follow him. He's doing all

994
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Speaker 1: kinds of things. I appreciate you taking the time. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you breaking down the sickest funck of the week

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Speaker 1: and so much more with me, Chris Hansen Special Guests

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