WEBVTT - NBA Reaction: Wemby & Spurs DOMINATE Mavs, Warriors-Lakers, Durant's Rockets debut | Nick Wright NFL 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.160 All right, welcome in. We'll driving the Cred episode three 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:09.240 eighty two. Kind of a weird show because twelve hours 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:13.680 ago the show was gonna be vast majority football. Ten 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.400 hours ago, the show was gonna be vast majority Holy shit, 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.880 what did Victor Winmanyama just do? And thirty minutes ago 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:27.600 it changed to this breaking news about Terry Rogier, Damon Jones, 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:33.800 and Chauncey Billups, rigged poker games, prop bet fixing and 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:39.640 all of that. And I am I am stunned by 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:45.600 the allegations here on one's front side of it. I'm 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.120 not stunned at all by the allegations on a different 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.519 side of it. And I'm gonna try to unpack it 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.520 because I actually we just had I think it's I 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:59.400 want to get the guy's name right. What us attorney 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:08.480 Joe Junior talk about high dollar poker games in Manhattan, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:16.000 the Hamptons in Vegas, and my ears perked up when 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.960 they talked about what was going on. So I think 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:25.160 I can oddly give you some real insight here on now. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.560 Listen credit to Pablo Torri who, when it comes to 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.400 the Terry Rogier prop betting, all that stuff, he's been 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.319 all over it. The poker stuff, on the other hand, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:43.240 is jarring. And well, I'll explain, but I wanna this 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.480 is all like happening in real time. They're literally doing 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.960 a press conference as we speak. I was watching it 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.200 right before we went on the air, and so we'll 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.480 get into all that. I wanna demand. Welcome in. This 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.840 is gonna be a weird show for you, but it's 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.160 no problem. We'll get to football and we'll get to 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.120 our picks in a bit and we'll talk. Uh Wimby, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.440 let me get to straight to voicemail. Brought to you 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.320 by boost Mobile, and this show is always brought to 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.400 you by our friends of boost Mobile. Uh Megan the 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:19.280 Stallion Sports Oh so funny. Klay Thompson. Labooba la boo boo, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.240 la boo. I think it's lab boo boo. Guys, I 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.480 don't think it's a A. I think it's la boo boo. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.720 I also had never seen a la boo boo in 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.400 my life in person until last night when your big 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.440 sister sent your little sister, not your bit, your old 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.560 the oldest, but your oldest oldest sister sent your youngest 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.399 sister what is almost assuredly a knockoff fake La Boo 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.720 Boo for her birthday, and she was very excited. Uh. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.960 Travis Kelcey uh trying to help out six Flags and 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.120 JJ McCarthy with what is pretty clearly a soft pinching. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:56.680 Uh still out on Thursday night football. Okay, so here's 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.720 what we know now. I'm going to tell you I 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:08.760 have a healthy skepticism of the way the way media 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:16.280 typically reports arrests and news is what law enforcement sources 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:20.080 tell the media they treat as gospel. I try not 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.320 to do that, Okay, that is that's you. No matter 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.560 whether it's local cops, the Feds, no matter who's in 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:32.160 charge of the DOJ. I always feel like the slanting 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.320 it's unfair to the accused. And so I am not. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.800 And so I read all these stories with I come 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.960 into come into it with some skepticism. I had even 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:50.480 more when I saw the ABC News headline from the 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.920 when this story first broke and it said Portland Trailblazer's 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.480 head coach has been charged in the illegal poker operation 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:03.600 tied to the law enforcements. Versus told ABC News, and 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.400 that's because the mafia is not like and they even 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:13.160 capitalize mafia a specific entity like there is organized crime, 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.600 and the Mafia is known as like Italian organized crime, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.440 but I've never seen like in a real news article 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:24.000 the Mafia be used as as if it were a 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.920 specific entity. So I initially was here's what I thought 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.479 this news was going to be when I saw it, 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.440 Terry Rosier, There's been a lot of smoke, and Pablotory 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.080 has done a good job around that story for the 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:44.039 last year. That ah, some of his player prop bets 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.280 sure seem fishy and there's fishy action on them, and 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.560 we talked about the fact that it'd be it's very 0:04:53.600 --> 0:05:01.160 easy for guys to try to make their friends or 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:06.400 themselves ten twenty grand on these individual player props, and 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.320 clearly some guys have not been able to resist the temptation. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:16.279 That's what I assumed the FEDS were arresting Terry Rogier 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:20.640 for I didn't know what Damon jones necessary involvement was, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.279 except for the fact that he had been a coach, 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.320 so maybe would have inside information on hey, this guy's 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.040 not gonna play or this guy's dinged up. I also, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:32.000 full disclosure, have known Damon Jones for more than ten years. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.160 I like Damon Jones and I was sad to see 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:41.000 his name in this. When I saw there was Chauncey 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.640 was being charged in the illegal poker operation, my initial 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:52.520 thought process was, a man, they're really going after these 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:57.760 illegally raked poker games. Because we saw Gilbert get himmed 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.080 up by the FEDS about some thing, what I thought 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.800 was similar. So before I get to the actual details here, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.200 because I really want the audience to understand this. It 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.799 is not that I know it's gonna sound I'm gonna 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:17.080 sound like I'm giving myself a pass here or something, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.599 but I want to be very clear. The card games 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:28.159 that I play in are totally legal. And it's not 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.520 because they're in Vegas. Those obviously are. Those are in 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:37.560 regulated casinos. And it's not because they're not for you know, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.880 a ton of money, because sometimes they are. The way 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.200 it works is this, and I want to put demons 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:44.600 on the screen because I want to make sure he 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.040 understands it. Because if he understands, everyone understand it. I 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.120 am allowed to have no I mean when I that 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.640 wasn't an insult on your intelligence. I just meant because 0:06:54.680 --> 0:07:00.240 you're not a poker player like you're you are. If 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.800 I were to say, hey, I am hosting a poker 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:10.320 night at my house for friends, family, or even just hey, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.840 join my poker club and come play. We could play 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:20.880 for ten dollars a person, one hundred dollars a person, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:26.520 or a million dollars a person, and that is legal. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:34.239 That is legal as long as the house, the host, 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:38.280 the person putting it on is not taking a cut 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.720 of the money. So do you understand. So, like if 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:47.600 we if I invited seven guys over and everybody brought 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.600 ten grand with them, so there's eighty thousand dollars involved. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.040 As long as at the end of the night, when 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.080 it's like, hey, you you know you lost your tin. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.680 You lost your tin, he won tenny. As long as 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:05.320 everyone the net net of what everyone came with they 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:11.800 leave with collectively, that's legal. It's not legal if it's like, hey, 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.920 since I'm hosting the game, every hand, I'm gonna take 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.480 twenty dollars out of the pot and drop it in 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.720 this little box here, and at the end of the 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:29.440 night the house has made two grand. That's what makes 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.800 That's the line that makes poker games legal or illegal. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.560 Is the house taking a cut? Okay, It's as simple 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.360 as that. So when I was on with Lovetard last 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.480 week talking about that huge card game I was going 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:50.240 to that was a bunch of guys who've been playing 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.120 with each other forever. And there is no there is 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.200 no rake. That's called the rake. Taking money is the rake. Okay. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:05.000 So Gilbert got in trouble because they were hosting up again. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.679 He had rented a house that was being used according 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:13.520 to the FEDS for it was basically an illegal casino 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.600 because the house became not only where the card games were, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.280 but that they were probably taking in rake taking the money, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.439 and that rake can be huge, like ten twenty thousand 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.840 a night in rake and money off the table. Okay. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:34.280 So that is that that's the distinction between private, legal 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:39.200 and illegal poker. When I saw the Chauncey thing, I'm like, man, 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:45.120 I can't believe they're going after this, these illegal card games, 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.520 because that is pretty prevalent, the idea of hey, we're 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.480 gonna do a private game, but a person who's hosting 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.840 it those things, he's gonna they're gonna take a cutter. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:10:05.120 That's their business. That we we one of how do 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.200 I put this? Someone you know really well, don't That 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.760 is one of my buddies that is his business. He 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:17.000 hosts all you know, a weekly or semi weekly game 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:22.040 and that, and so those are those are illegal technically, 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.640 but usually people like as long as there's no drugs, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.160 there's no violence, no anything, people don't mess with them. Okay, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.840 yeah that is not though. What the feds are alleging. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.080 Chauncey was a part of what the feds are alleging 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.120 is that the end this, if this is true, this 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:52.960 is for me, as someone who plays in real card games, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:11:01.160 this is a cardinal sin. They're alleging these were games 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:10.320 that they had rigged shufflers, that they had rigged rfi 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.760 D devices which allowed people to know what cards other 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:22.559 people had, That they had rigged communication devices like tiny earpieces, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:29.240 and that folks were like, hey, seat six has kings 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:35.120 and aces coming on the turn, get your money if 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:36.320 that go ahead? 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.520 Yeah. I was wondering, like, how does this type of 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.839 information get out? Is somebody getting bamboozled and they'd speak 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.600 out to the fence because I was thinking like, wow, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:46.920 whose benefit would it be? 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.000 But yeah, I mean yeah, or somebody. Yeah, I mean 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.439 there's a bunch of Yeah, there's a bunch of ways 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:57.400 this could happen. Somebody gets in trouble and then they're like, hey, 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.000 let me out of trouble. I'll tell you about something bigger. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:05.040 Somebody is in the game and thinks they've been cheated 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.080 and then decides to kind of go on their own 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.480 and investigate it or whatever it is. But the allegation 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:23.640 here is organized crime recruited Chauncey to be the draw. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.160 It's like, hey, come to the Hamptons, come to New 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.240 York whatever, and play. We've got a card game. Chauncey 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:38.040 Billups plays in that, and then they bring in people 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.880 with a bunch of money that they are then stealing from. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:46.600 Now again, I have so much respect for Chauncey Billups, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.000 and he has earned to me so much of the 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.120 benefit of the doubt that what I would like to 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.199 believe here is that he had no idea. He thought 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.280 he was playing in a poker game on the level. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:04.840 But they you know that they were rigged games. What 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:10.480 the insight I can give the audience is this one 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:18.080 of the reasons folks take the time and effort to 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.679 travel all the way to Las Vegas to play in 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.560 card games. The reason I unless I'm going to one 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.480 of my two buddies places that I've known for a 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:36.840 long time. In trust go all the way to Philadelphia 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:46.720 is there's You're always worried that it's not on the level. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.320 You're worried that someone's dealing from the bottom of the deck. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.480 You're worried that guys are colluding. You're worried that you 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:59.120 might get cheated. That is always a concern in I 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.720 had a buddy I don't want to give again give 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:07.480 too many details here, but one of the greatest in 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.920 my opinion, card players in the world, who is a 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:22.640 man of intense, intense honor. UH played got cheated out 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:28.720 of in one game, got cheated out of three quarters 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:36.560 of a million dollars and was able to retroactively prove 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.160 that they were doing stuff like this, that that it 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.640 was the card you had card readers. You know you 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.080 guys were cheating you. The whole poker game existed to 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.600 cheat me out of my three quarters of a million 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:57.520 dollars and UH refused to refuse to pay it. And 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:03.440 then it became a real, like dangerous situation. Like so 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:08.560 that there is a level of protect yourself at all times. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.480 You know this stuff could be happening in the high 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:17.080 stakes poker world. It is utterly jarring to me that 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:22.000 the FEDS are alleging that Chauncey knew these games were 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:29.240 rigged and was playing in them anyway, because that to 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:36.200 me that if that's true, that's stone cold theft. That 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:41.200 is that there is no wiggle room around it. If 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:46.800 you are if you are inviting people to come play 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.560 in a card game that you know they can't win 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.840 because other people in the game are going to know 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:03.600 what cards they have and play accordingly. I that's real, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:10.200 dirty man. And now again I don't want to believe it. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.200 And in fairness, during this press conference, one of the 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.760 people talking one of the FEDS did say this involves 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.720 the NBA team, the Toronto Rangers, so they might not 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:34.760 be totally buttoned up, but uh, these are uh shocking allegations. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:35.840 Chauncey. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.520 Yeah, and listen, Chauncey is considered one of the best 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.680 guys in one of the best people associated with the league. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.120 And again, if it were he was just playing in 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.160 a card game where they took a rake, I would 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.400 I was prepared to get on here and say this 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.880 is an absolute nothing burger, like there are there's that 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:04.520 there is not only is that barely illegal. It is apps. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.600 There is no ethical for me issue with it. Like there, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.399 it's simply saying I'm playing. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:11.879 In a people games. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.200 Everybody, right, we're all saying we'll pay this percentage now 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.160 where that can. And really the only reason the government 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:25.160 typically cares about those things is because nobody's paying taxes 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.320 on it, because the it's like the nobody's like paying 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.520 right exactly and so but you again, you are allowed 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:38.840 to play high stakes private poker games as long as 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.760 like helm Youth talks about it all the time. Helmuth 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.640 plays for tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars at 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:51.600 it at his own house in the Bay Area with 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.359 a bunch of the Silicon Valley guys. But you just 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.520 have to report your wins as gambling winnings on your 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.439 taxes and pay taxes and help you doesn't take a 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:08.240 vic or you know, doesn't take a raak. But haven't 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.679 And they I watched the press conference Demanse. They have 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.879 a picture of a what they say is a rigged shuffler. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.000 They have a picture of a computer that is reading 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.080 out the cards everyone has. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.399 I mean, they they raided the place and found all 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:26.240 like the paras. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:34.360 Seems like it man, And oh boy, I really thought 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.640 we were gonna start today talking NBA. I didn't think 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.639 it was gonna be that. I want to let me 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:47.159 just see one more thing. So but oh the I 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.720 don't know if I finished my sentence before before it 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.760 gets to wimby that. Maybe I did, so maybe I'm 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:55.359 repeating myself. 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:55.760 I don't know. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:02.439 But this is why people some people prefer to do 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.359 all of their poker playing in a casino because a 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.959 casino is taking a rake. It's much smaller usually than 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.239 the private game rake, but it's on the level. Like 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.880 the cheating that can happen in a casino is two 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.160 of guys at the table communicating to each other. That's 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.240 called colluding, like hey, you raise all re raise and 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.560 then this guy will fold like that. That is that's 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.240 that's one level of cheating. But you don't have to 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:38.640 typically at a casino. Worry, Wait does are Is this 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.160 a setup via shuffler? And a setup via shuffler would 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.359 be to give people an example, you have one hundred 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.200 thousand dollars in front of you. I've got one hundred 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.760 thousand dollars in front of me. They intentionally give you 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:57.520 pocket aces and give me pocket queens. I go all 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.760 in preflop. You have the best hand, you have no 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.119 t but to call, and then a queen comes and 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:08.119 it's like, oh man, eighty twenty unlucky. Like setting hands 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:14.520 up like that is stealing? All right? Crazy? I am. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.040 I am super interested in this story. I don't know 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:18.959 if the audience is. Let me say one other thing 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:20.800 on because everyone else is gonna be for more folks 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.119 on the rosier piece of it. And I say this 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:30.080 understanding that a huge portion of our economy in my 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:35.160 business is paid for by the gambling operators. Right we are, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:41.000 We are proud partners with hard Rock Bet and with that, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.919 But despite that, I I don't even think it's despite that. 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:51.680 I regardless of who our sponsors are, I have to 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:56.040 I owe the audience full transparency and honesty. And here 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.400 is what I am going to say about the rogier thing. 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:07.280 As long as player props are a big part of 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:13.760 legal sports gambling, this stuff is gonna pop up. It 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:22.280 just is. And there here is the the two sides 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:27.159 of the legal sports gambling coin. 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All right, Demanse, let's 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.480 talk about, uh, what the hell happened last night in 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:52.960 the NBA. 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.680 Yeah, so, as you know, we don't usually get too 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.520 deep into basketball until Christmas, but we got to talk 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:03.520 about something is going on in the NBA. Wimby yesterday 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.439 apparently was crazy. I didn't catch this one, but I 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.320 saw the highlights. Is it possible that this guy is 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:11.959 already the best player in the league. 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:18.399 I mean, here's the thing. Demand's a no no shame 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:19.760 in not catching it live. 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.840 Oh yeah, I was watching VJ. Edgecombe welcome himself to 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:25.400 the Oh. 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.960 You were watching so you were watching a different game. 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:30.280 Yeah, I was watching Celtics. 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:33.439 Okay, oh that's I thought. I assumed you meant you were. 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.680 Oh good for you, buddy. Yeah, yeah, that's a VJ 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.879 Edgecombe all time record for points in a debut, all 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:46.600 time record. And the Sixers won that game despite Embeid's scoring. 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.359 And being a no show. Yeah, no show. 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.280 And the and the second almost got bad. 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.280 For VJ with him missing those two free throws, and 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:56.480 the Celtics could have pulled through. That would have been 0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:57.080 that would. 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.480 Yeah, and Max see our guy Maxey had forty, but 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:09.040 someone else had forty and he's a seven foot five problem. 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:19.760 So I I was a gog at what I saw 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:26.679 last night from Victor WindMan Yama. So he is the 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.800 best defensive player in basketball. We knew that was going 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.760 to be the case. And he had three blocks, but 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:39.720 that doesn't really explain it because he just dissuaded so 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:44.639 much action because of his length that I don't know 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:49.600 what the advanced stat is for, like shots not taken 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.720 because you're scared this guy's gonna swat it into the 0:26:52.720 --> 0:27:00.200 first row, but he crushes in that. So we had 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.840 So here's a good comp we had on the show yesterday. 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:09.920 A Keem Olajuan all right, and a Keem was never 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.919 the best offensive player in the league. But there was 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:19.080 a two year period when Jordan was a year and 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:23.479 a half when Jordan was retired, and those two years 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.200 when a Keem was the best player in the league 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:32.119 because he was far and away the best defensive player, 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:37.199 and those couple of years probably like the fifth or 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:43.160 sixth best offensive player, and those two things can combine 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.760 to make you the best player. He usually goes in 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:49.680 the other direction, the best player in the league. Joker 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.960 is far and away the best offensive player and then 0:27:54.280 --> 0:28:01.400 just average defensive. And you deal with you know, it's 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:05.840 very rare you get prime. I shouldn't say it's very rare. 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:11.840 It's just special prime Giannis, prime, Bron prime Jordan, prime, 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:17.800 Kobe Kawido. Also, I think was never the best offensive player. Yeah, 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.480 I'm talking about a guy who can win the scoring 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:26.080 title while being the best defender in the league. Right, 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:33.520 it's only a handful of guys if Wimby's gonna give 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:38.600 you forty. Let me put it like this, here's why 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:43.000 it's so scary. Demanza and I loved that he only 0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:48.720 took two threes, that he is stronger his handles better. 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:59.040 I think Wimby. If Wimby averages twenty five points a game, 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.400 he might be the best player in the league like 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.880 that because of what he is defensively and if he's 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:17.440 gonna put up thirty. I I'm sorry to joke and 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:24.560 I'm sorry to shave, but I just I am. I'm 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:27.880