WEBVTT - Part One: How The FBI Botched The Olympic Park Bombing

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, it's Behind the Bastard's the podcast that you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to if you're listening to it. If you don't

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it, then you don't know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what, I hate you, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>hate my guest for this episode, Courtney Kosak.

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<v Speaker 3>Courtney, Hello, so good to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to see you again. Have you been since last

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<v Speaker 2>we uh last we talked about somebody who was really bad?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, lots of bad people that I hear about

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<v Speaker 4>every day in the news.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have been like.

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<v Speaker 4>Deep into working on my book, which is just full

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<v Speaker 4>of people from my past.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh That's what I've.

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<v Speaker 2>Been working hopefully not the worst people in all of history.

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<v Speaker 2>I have you only Yeah, I mean you did have

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<v Speaker 2>that longtime friendship with momark Adaffi, but you know, tragically

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<v Speaker 2>that ended badly. We all did. Look, he was cool

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<v Speaker 2>at one point in time, he was not. So Courtney,

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<v Speaker 2>you got something to plug you want to you want

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<v Speaker 2>to drop that before we get into our our bastard

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<v Speaker 2>for this episode, because we got a weird one for

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<v Speaker 2>you this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Just wanna My My book is called Girl Gone Wild.

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<v Speaker 4>It is my coming of age memoir. It's my debut.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so tempted to just ask you a million questions

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<v Speaker 4>about your book writing process, but we'll save that for

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<v Speaker 4>another podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm just so excited that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>out in March.

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<v Speaker 3>It's available for pre order and it's all thrilling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Courtney. Uh So, speaking of my process, my process

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<v Speaker 2>for writing a book is mostly to get delayed writing

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<v Speaker 2>that book so I can continue writing podcasts. And this week,

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast that I have written in lieu of finishing

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<v Speaker 2>my book, uh is about is a weird one, right,

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<v Speaker 2>This is normally a podcast but the worst people in

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<v Speaker 2>all of history, And we have a bastard for this week,

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<v Speaker 2>and our bastard for this week is a really interesting guy.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Steve Hatville, and he was recently made

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<v Speaker 2>Special Advisor to the Trump Administration for Pandemic Preparedness. He

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<v Speaker 2>has some relevant background here. He spent most of his

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<v Speaker 2>career as a pathologist and a biological weapons expert, training

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<v Speaker 2>US soldiers and how to deal with biological weapons, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>weaponized viruses, And like a lot of people in Trump world,

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<v Speaker 2>he's recently gotten into what we might call the alt

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<v Speaker 2>science side of medicine. In twenty twenty, he advised the

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<v Speaker 2>first Trump administration on COVID nineteen and became a major

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<v Speaker 2>advocate of hydroxychloroquin as a treatment. Yeah, he's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys. And in an article a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>The Washington Post cited his statements as evidence supporting the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that the Trump administration neglected pandemic response after losing

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty election. Quote Stephen Hatfield, a virologist who

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<v Speaker 2>advised White House Trade advisor Peter Navarro, said he was

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<v Speaker 2>intimately involved in the pandemic response, repeatedly described in the

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<v Speaker 2>emails how stuff took precedence over a coronavirus even as

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<v Speaker 2>the outbreak surged more than two hundred and fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>new coronavirus cases per day in January. Now, with the

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<v Speaker 2>election so close, COVID is taking a back seat, yet

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<v Speaker 2>the disease is rearing its ugly head again, Hatfill wrote

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<v Speaker 2>to an outside colleague in October of twenty twenty, following

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<v Speaker 2>the election, which was disputed by Trump. Hatfel wrote another

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<v Speaker 2>email that he personally shifted over to the election fraud

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<v Speaker 2>investigation in November, which says a lot about like the

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<v Speaker 2>how the people close to Trump viewed themselves was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a virologist and a pathologist, but I'll get involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the election frauds. I guess that makes sense for

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<v Speaker 2>me to be working on during a pandemic more than

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<v Speaker 2>the pandemic, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The priority. I can't believe that's the priority.

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<v Speaker 2>No, everybody's focusing on the election. Now. I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>that you're the virus guy and there's a virus. Get

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<v Speaker 2>on the elections.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit all hands on tech, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And true true to form. During that brief window, Hatfield

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<v Speaker 2>traveled to Arizona to help organize a plan B for

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's legal fight to retain the presidency. When a colleague

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<v Speaker 2>email him on January fifth, task why he wasn't fixing

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<v Speaker 2>the virus, he replied that the election thing had gotten

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<v Speaker 2>out of control, and I go where my team goes,

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<v Speaker 2>which at that point was to contest results in Nevada. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to this stuff, I have no trouble

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<v Speaker 2>condemning hat Phil. I don't like him. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>a bad person. I think he's done bad things for

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<v Speaker 2>the world. Here's where it gets weird. He's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the protagonist of our story this week, right, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is we're going to be telling a story, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be telling two stories, really, and in both of

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<v Speaker 2>these stories, the bad guy is the FBI, and in

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<v Speaker 2>more broadly, our entire justice system, right, and the media

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<v Speaker 2>and how the media interacts with the justice system around

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<v Speaker 2>high profile cases, you know, when people are desperately trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out who did it and at a point

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<v Speaker 2>at which you know, the cops decide literally we need

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<v Speaker 2>to throw some name out there, and the media decides content, content, content, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's the evil here. We're talking about two different

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<v Speaker 2>tear attacks where innocent people were accused by both law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement and journalists of having done terrible things. And hat

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<v Speaker 2>Phil is one of those innocent people. So he's like

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<v Speaker 2>a bad person, but he's also really unique among members

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trump administration and that all of them hate

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<v Speaker 2>the media. Hatfil is a really good reason to hate

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media. They did him so fucking dirty, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very weird story for that reason.

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<v Speaker 3>In situation, they did him so dirty that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about absolutely absolutely completely destroyed his life for years

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<v Speaker 2>for no reason, like just based purely on bad police

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<v Speaker 2>work and lazy reporting, like that's what happened here, and

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<v Speaker 2>so kind of what we're talking about. In addition to

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<v Speaker 2>the justice system sure doesn't work very well, does it.

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<v Speaker 2>Cops aren't very good at their jobs, are they. We're

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<v Speaker 2>also telling a story of this is how law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>and the media kind of feeding off of each other

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<v Speaker 2>created a month because the present day Steven hat Phil

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<v Speaker 2>who was a member of the Trump administration, is created

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<v Speaker 2>to a significant extent by how much this destroys his

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<v Speaker 2>life and pisses him off, Like this really radicalizes him

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<v Speaker 2>in a major way. And so it's interesting to understand

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<v Speaker 2>for that perspective too, because we are talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy, but he's not the bad guy in the

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<v Speaker 2>story we're telling, which I haven't done before. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>excited for this kind of episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so conflicted. I feel like you're doing me

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<v Speaker 3>dirty a little bit. You're like, no, the Trump guy

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<v Speaker 3>is the good guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he's not the good guy. Let's be really clear.

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<v Speaker 2>Protagonist rightist is not mean good guy. Okay, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's not. He's not the wronged person in his story.

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<v Speaker 2>But we are telling two stories, and basically this week

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking about first the Olympic Park

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<v Speaker 2>bombing which occurred at the nineteen ninety six Olympics in Atlanta, Georgia. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking about the man who was wrong blamed

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<v Speaker 2>for that attack and how that happened. And then and

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<v Speaker 2>this is where hatfil comes in, we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the two thousand and one anthrax attacks in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States after nine to eleven, because hat Phil

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy who gets blamed for that, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's what we're talking about this week, is how

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<v Speaker 2>both of you because these are with similar cases and

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<v Speaker 2>they are emblematic of similar problems that still exist within

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement in the media to this day. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm on the edge of my seat. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, this'll be fun. So for our first again,

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<v Speaker 2>I just started. If I talking about hat Phil, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to talk about him anymore in this episode

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<v Speaker 2>because the guy who gets wrongfully accused of the Olympic

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<v Speaker 2>Park bombings is not Steve hat Phil. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who was a cop for a brief span of time,

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<v Speaker 2>although not he was not really a cop either, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's we'll talk. He's a wanna bee cop who gets

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<v Speaker 2>to be it briefly and then is a secure, ready

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<v Speaker 2>guard at the time. All this happens when he actually

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<v Speaker 2>does some an act of legitimate heroism. And his name

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<v Speaker 2>was Richard Jewel. Richard Allensworth Jewel was born Richard White

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<v Speaker 2>on December seventeenth, nineteen sixty two, in Danville, Virginia. His

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<v Speaker 2>father worked at Chevy and his mom helped. She was

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<v Speaker 2>like an insurance claim adjuster type pursuit. She had some

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<v Speaker 2>job in that hole. But I don't think she was

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<v Speaker 2>an adjuster, but she was involved in the whole insurance

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<v Speaker 2>claim thing. Something to do with insurance. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't come to this to hear about what people's

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<v Speaker 2>moms did for the insurance industry. They divorced when he

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<v Speaker 2>was four, and she remarried a guy named John Jewell

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<v Speaker 2>who adopted Richard, and that's why he's known as Richard Jewel.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of his life is not very interesting. The most

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<v Speaker 2>important thing to know about Richard Jewel, Sophie will pull

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<v Speaker 2>up a picture of him. This guy is like his

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<v Speaker 2>phenotype is cop right, like he was born with cop

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<v Speaker 2>in his blood. Like you just take one look at

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<v Speaker 2>this man. He grows the kind of mustache that if

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<v Speaker 2>you were, like, if you're biologically a cop, your body

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<v Speaker 2>just produces that mustache, right, Like, I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>he ever had a choice in not wanting to be

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<v Speaker 2>a cop, Like in terms of his character and personality,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what he always wanted to be for the time

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<v Speaker 2>he's a child. Richard idolizes the police. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>only job he wants to do. Right, You're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the picture like that, that is a cop mustache, right,

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<v Speaker 2>There's just simply no other way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like a Chicago cop.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like a yes, yes, strong Chicago cop vibes. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what he was born to do, and he's never gonna

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<v Speaker 2>quite get there, tragically for Richard, so he idolizes the police.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the only job he ever wants. He's one

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<v Speaker 2>of these people who grows up believing the police are

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<v Speaker 2>heroes surrounded on all sides by dangerous criminals, holding up

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<v Speaker 2>society and protecting the innocence through sheer force of will

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<v Speaker 2>and commitment to the law. So you know, he's pretty propagandaist, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of us were his kids. And when

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<v Speaker 2>he grows up. You know, he doesn't immediately get into

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement. His first job, I think is working at

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually managing a Tcby yogurt shop. But he shows

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<v Speaker 2>some promise that like, oh, maybe this guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this law enforcements what he's actually going to do,

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<v Speaker 2>because while a manager of the store, he stops a

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<v Speaker 2>robbery in progress, which you're not supposed to do when

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<v Speaker 2>managing a retail store or a food store. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do that in any store, stop a robbery.

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<v Speaker 2>But he does. I don't have any more details than that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it gets him written up in local papers and

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<v Speaker 2>it fuels his desire to get behind a badge. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh man, this is what I made for, Like, look

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<v Speaker 2>at what I was able to do behind the desk

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<v Speaker 2>at a Tcby treaty shop. Give me a gun and

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<v Speaker 2>a badge. I'll really fox some shit up.

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<v Speaker 3>If I can do this with ice cream. You gotta

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<v Speaker 3>wait and see what I got.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. It's amazing. They didn't just hand him a

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<v Speaker 2>gun and a badge right then and there.

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<v Speaker 1>And Dan Clint East would make a movie about this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes he did, Yes he did. Okay, and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that because it's gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When he's twenty two, Jewel got hired to Claire for

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<v Speaker 2>the Small Business Association, where he met and befriended a

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer named Watson Bryant. He's good at the job, and

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<v Speaker 2>he earns a reputation for being always on the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very on time, he's very outgoing, always puts in

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ten percent. But he got placed there

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<v Speaker 2>through a temp agency, and when the contract ran up,

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<v Speaker 2>he took a job that brought him closer to his

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<v Speaker 2>dream career, working as a detective for the Marriott hotel chain.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not realize. I thought that was a joke

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<v Speaker 2>in American Dad. I didn't know hotels had detectives, but

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<v Speaker 2>apparently they do.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the perfect job really for him. He should have

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stopped there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I don't want to be mean to the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel detectives at the world, But imagine going on on

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<v Speaker 2>a date and like, so what are you hear? Like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a hotel detective. A hotel detective, huh are you

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to figure out like what the stain was

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<v Speaker 2>on the mattress? Was like it's come with the yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at up, just walking into everyone with a

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<v Speaker 2>black light going yep, yeah, huh, yep. More people coming

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<v Speaker 2>every day. I think somebody did cocaine off that table.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know, it could be more. Come In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety, he gets hired as a jailer for the

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<v Speaker 2>Habersham County Sheriff's Office. Right now, this is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a do nothing job. You're sitting in a small, smoke

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<v Speaker 2>filled room occasionally dealing with the restees. It's not what

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to be doing. He doesn't like it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's his foot in the door. And I guess in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties it was maybe there were enough the cops

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<v Speaker 2>weren't like today, he would just find some police department

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<v Speaker 2>in a big city that is offering like twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars signing bonuses because there's not enough cops because people

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do that job anyway. But I guess

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<v Speaker 2>back then you had to really like work your way

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<v Speaker 2>up to being a cop, right like, for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe it's just where he lives in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe he's just not doesn't I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he doesn't go at Maybe there was an easier

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<v Speaker 2>way to do it than he just didn't do I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know yet, but yeah, he becomes a cop through

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<v Speaker 2>working at the jail, right. Like, he does this for

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<v Speaker 2>like a year or so, and it's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell it's frustrating him because like working at

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<v Speaker 2>the jail, he's almost a real cop. He could like,

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<v Speaker 2>he could taste it, right, he could taste the authority,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he starts to get over eager. One of

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<v Speaker 2>my sources for this episode is an epic long form

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<v Speaker 2>article in Vanity Fair by Marie Britter, and she writes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is while he's still a jailer. Quote. He arrested

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<v Speaker 2>a couple making too much noise in a hot tub

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<v Speaker 2>in an apartment building where he did part time security work.

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<v Speaker 2>He was arrested for impersonating an officer, and after pleading

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<v Speaker 2>guilty to a lesser charge, was placed on probation on

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<v Speaker 2>the condition that he seeks psychological counseling. You get to like,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy wants to be a cop so bad it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a problem, like man.

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<v Speaker 3>Turning him into a peeping tom.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, cops generally don't arrest people for being noisy

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<v Speaker 2>in a hot tub. Even a cop is usually going

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, hey, we got a noise complaint. Chill

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<v Speaker 2>out right like this guy or just like busting in

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<v Speaker 2>and arresting people. You have to imagine he had an

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<v Speaker 2>illegally carried gun on him that he was just like

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<v Speaker 2>these hot tub guys pull something on me. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna blast him. We're being a little mean to Richard here.

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<v Speaker 2>He is legitimately a hero in the end, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is funny. I'm sorry, this is just this is

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<v Speaker 2>just funny, Richard. This is a stupid thing that you did.

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<v Speaker 2>He's dead now, it's fine. It doesn't care. So if

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<v Speaker 2>a guy is so eager to be a cop that

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<v Speaker 2>the instant he gets a job, sitting in the same

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<v Speaker 2>room as a cop, he illegally arrests a couple for

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<v Speaker 2>a noise complaint. That might be a warning sign not

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<v Speaker 2>to give that person a badge and gun. But somehow

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<v Speaker 2>Jewel worked his way up to being hired as a deputy.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety one, he goes to the North in America.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Let's go and it's one of those yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes to Northeast Georgia political Academy. He does well.

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<v Speaker 2>He graduates in the upper twenty five percent of the class.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that he read the Georgia Legal Code for fun,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's obsessed with cop stuff. So I have no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt that when it came to the in class portions

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<v Speaker 2>of it, he aced everything right, like he's been prepped

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<v Speaker 2>for this forever.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how he did the obstacle.

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<v Speaker 2>Course that might have been harder for him. Although this

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<v Speaker 2>is Georgia, you know, we're not talking about a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of cops who are like fucking superstar athletes in a

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<v Speaker 2>rural Georgia sheriff's department. So he becomes a real cop.

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<v Speaker 2>He now has a real badge and a real gun,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is ready to get out there and fight

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<v Speaker 2>crime a las. Poor Richard is about to run face

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<v Speaker 2>to face into a reality that it's I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if he ever really fully accepts it, right, But this

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<v Speaker 2>is like the great tragedy of Richard jules life, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that he wants to be a cop. And I say,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a guy who doesn't want there to be cops.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to be a cop for what you would

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<v Speaker 2>say are the right reasons. He cares deeply about the law.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks it is important to abide by the law,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wants to protect people. Check right, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to become a cop. Police And this is

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<v Speaker 2>not me the left wing radical saying this. The Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court has ruled police have no duty to protect people,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is a fact, an undeniable fact, that police

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<v Speaker 2>all over the country break the law regularly, both in

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<v Speaker 2>pursuing suspects and lying on the stand about them and

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<v Speaker 2>falsifying evidence and planting evidence and using physical force that

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<v Speaker 2>they are not legally supposed to be using. Cops break

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<v Speaker 2>the law constantly. They are not there to protect people,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do not uphold the law. These are facts, right, Robert.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you ever have in your young Republican days did

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<v Speaker 4>you ever did you think ops were good?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just curious, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be a cop when I was a kid, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I wanted to be a cop for the worst

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<v Speaker 2>possible reason, because at eighteen, if you become a cop,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to carry a gun while off duty, and

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<v Speaker 2>normally take you have to wait until you're twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>to carry a gun, which is the wrong reason to

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<v Speaker 2>become a cop, right, that's why you shouldn't let eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>year olds become cops, which they almost did.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be the biggest crime committing cop we know.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was when I wanted to be a cop,

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<v Speaker 2>which is again when I was like eighteen nineteen, part

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<v Speaker 2>of why it was possible for me to have become

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<v Speaker 2>one is that Dallas had just had to can a

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<v Speaker 2>shitload of officers over a massive fake drug scandal, so

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<v Speaker 2>like recruitment was down and they were desperate for Peter right,

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<v Speaker 2>you could not reason. Yeah, I don't think I would

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<v Speaker 2>have made it long. Like literally, within like a month

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<v Speaker 2>or two of making my first calls for the police

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<v Speaker 2>and like setting up that starting that process, I started

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<v Speaker 2>experimenting with drugs. And as soon as I took two CI,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, I'm not going to be a cop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what the fuck? Was I thinking? Absolutely not? Are

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<v Speaker 2>you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no. I want to do drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds way better than being a cop. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was for about ten years, and then at a certain

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<v Speaker 2>point you have to do less drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Heard, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>My that's my my dare class for kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking I'm looking at this room, I'm seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of seventeen and eighteen year old You guys got

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<v Speaker 2>a solid twelve years before you got to curtail your

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<v Speaker 2>drug use, you know, so really enjoy this time. You know,

0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.600
<v Speaker 2>test everything for fitanyl, but other than that, go wild.

0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, whatever you can fit in your body, throw

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<v Speaker 2>it in there. Don't ask questions, Just do it and

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<v Speaker 2>run off into the sunset. It'll be great when you're

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine, and maybe start to start pulling back on

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<v Speaker 2>that throttle, you know, hit the brakes.

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<v Speaker 3>What Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>I always give our child listeners good advice.

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<v Speaker 3>Nonk, no fintanyl, no trink.

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<v Speaker 2>No finanyl, no trank. Maybe try crocodile. If you get

0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.760
<v Speaker 2>a chance to try that weird Russian drug that melts

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<v Speaker 2>your skin, try that shit. You know it sounds dope.

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<v Speaker 2>I never got to do crocodile. I regret it now

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm in my sober era. Gas station sober and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they'll by gas station crocodile. Anyway, we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how cops break the law lot and anyway, again,

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<v Speaker 2>I have my opinions on this that are grounded in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>but I also want to like cite facts and if

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<v Speaker 2>I make a statement like cops break the law constantly. So.

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<v Speaker 2>A twenty sixteen study by researchers at Bowling Green University

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<v Speaker 2>looked into nearly six seven thousand cases of police officers

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested and charged with crimes between two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>five and twenty eleven. They concluded, quote, police crimes are

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<v Speaker 2>not uncommon now. One of the things this study notes

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<v Speaker 2>is that only about a thousand officers are arrested each

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<v Speaker 2>year in charge with crimes. But there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more cops than that. Commit number one cops, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>easy for them to get away with crimes. The number

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<v Speaker 2>of cops who could break the law and don't get

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<v Speaker 2>caught because they're cops is exponentially higher than a thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also a lot of cases, and there's documentation

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<v Speaker 2>of how often there's interviews with other cops that'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this, of police breaking the law and having it

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<v Speaker 2>swept under the rug. Right. Well, they'll get a warning

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, maybe someone above them or something, but like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just get your car home. I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>drunk tonight. Because you're another officer, I'll let you off

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<v Speaker 2>you as a professional courtesy you know, protector own again,

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<v Speaker 2>there's data on this. It happens constantly. That said, the

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<v Speaker 2>data on win cops do actually fuck up enough to

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<v Speaker 2>get charged with crimes, the data on what crimes they

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<v Speaker 2>commit is really interesting. From a summary in a Huffington

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<v Speaker 2>Post article by Matt Ferner, quote, the alleged crimes cops

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<v Speaker 2>whore arrested fore most frequently were simple assault, driving under

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<v Speaker 2>the influence, and aggravated assault. Altogether, those crimes made up

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<v Speaker 2>one third of the total cases. There were also a

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<v Speaker 2>considerable number of sex crime cases, including forcible fondling and

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<v Speaker 2>forcible rape, about ten percent of all cases, and disturbingly,

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<v Speaker 2>the sex crimes included some victims under the age of eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>If you are looking at the vast majority of child

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<v Speaker 2>sex abuse is people who are related to the child.

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<v Speaker 2>When you move out from people who are directly related

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<v Speaker 2>to the child, the most common people who abuse kids

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<v Speaker 2>are like members of the clergy, medical professionals, and police officers,

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<v Speaker 2>not in that order necessarily, but yes, because they have

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<v Speaker 2>access and because they have plug you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so wait, sex crimes and what was the first

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<v Speaker 4>thing you said.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, driving under the influence, cops drive drunk all the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck of time, and some assault just hitting, beating people,

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<v Speaker 2>beating spouses. You know, fifty percent of police officer homes

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<v Speaker 2>have domestic violence in them.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember that South Dakota? Was he a cop

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<v Speaker 3>or a politician.

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<v Speaker 2>Or sin something like that, which one.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>But he fucking killed a guy and then drove home,

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<v Speaker 4>and that they I mean, I think he got away

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<v Speaker 4>with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well good for him. You know we all, we all

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<v Speaker 2>would hope to be able to get away with at

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<v Speaker 2>least one murder in our lives. I can't blame a

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<v Speaker 2>man for that, for just wanting to kill a guy

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<v Speaker 2>and get away with its most normal thing to want.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I said that. So, the most

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<v Speaker 2>common crime committed by police is also the one they

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<v Speaker 2>get arrested for the least often, which is lying under oath.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so common that cops have a term for

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<v Speaker 2>it called testa lying. And if you know, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a friend who became a lawyer and was briefly a

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutor and stopped being a prosecutor because he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just kept going. I kept sitting down with police

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<v Speaker 2>officers and saying, are you sure this is accurate, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when it came to trial it would be like

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<v Speaker 2>they lied, right, Like that happened. That happened so many

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<v Speaker 2>times that I put my ass out there as a

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutor because a cop told me no, this is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, and they were fucking lying. It happens all

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<v Speaker 2>the goddamn time. And again there's documentation about this. This

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<v Speaker 2>is such a problem that in New York City prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>have a secret database of untrustworthy cops. Again, a secret

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.920
<v Speaker 2>database of cops that like, yeah, we if you're a prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 2>don't let this guy up on the stand if he's

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<v Speaker 2>telling you something it's like full of shit. But also,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to report this anywhere. More broadly, in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen nineties, the Malin Commission carried out a sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>investigation of the NYPD, and it found that perjury and

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<v Speaker 2>falsification of records were routine by police and quote the

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<v Speaker 2>most common form of police corruption. You might want to

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<v Speaker 2>note that those two crimes tend to be committed in

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<v Speaker 2>order to get a conviction against a defendant. Right, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are lying under oath and falsifying records, the most

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<v Speaker 2>likely reason you were doing that is because there was

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 2>a crime and you're pretty sure the guy you got

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<v Speaker 2>did it, but you can't prove it, so you're lying

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<v Speaker 2>to make it easier to secure a conviction. Right, Or

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.639
<v Speaker 2>you don't know the guy did it, or think the

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 2>guy did it, you just hate him because you're a bigot,

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 2>or you want to fuck his wife or whatever. Right,

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and you're doing that, you know. But the most common

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 2>crime committed by cops all over is lying under oath

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and falsifying records, and that those two things are generally

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<v Speaker 2>done to get people convicted, right, Cops lie to get convictions.

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<v Speaker 4>I love how we go around saying like lying under

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<v Speaker 4>oath is a felony, like your mail is a felony.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, no, you can totally do those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I steal mail all the time, baby, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>keep it for myself. I hand it out to other

0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.880
<v Speaker 2>people who don't have it off. Yeah yeah, yeah exactly.

0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I take mail from those It's like it's me living

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<v Speaker 2>out my Marxist praxis, you know, from each according to

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<v Speaker 2>their ability to have a lot of mail in their

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.880
<v Speaker 2>mailbox to those without as much mail in their mailbox.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what Marx was talking about, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make it all the way through capital. I go through

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<v Speaker 2>all this. This is a bit of a digression from

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Jewel, but it's important to note that the vast

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<v Speaker 2>majority of criminal behavior inside our justice system is perpetrated

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<v Speaker 2>by police officers, and not just police officers, but by

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<v Speaker 2>people who are in the justice system who are attempting

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<v Speaker 2>to get convictions and have to futz with the truth

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.960
<v Speaker 2>in order to secure conviction because the actual evidence isn't

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<v Speaker 2>strong enough. Right. That's an important point. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>this has been a long digression, but I need to

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<v Speaker 2>emphasize it a little further. So I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 2>one quote from a very good Slate article by Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Stern titled the police lie all the time? Can anything

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<v Speaker 2>stop them? Quote? When NYPD officers are accused of illegal behavior,

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<v Speaker 2>the department itself usually investigates, then conceals its findings in

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<v Speaker 2>imposes at worst a slap on the risk like brief

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>paid leave. Prosecutors could separately investigate, but they have little

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<v Speaker 2>incentive to question an officer's story. If they know an

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 2>officer is lying, they cannot legally rely on his testimony.

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<v Speaker 2>If they remain in the dark, they can still use

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.879
<v Speaker 2>his perjury to clinch a conviction. Moreover, prosecutors and police

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 2>work together to put defendants behind bars, developing a team

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<v Speaker 2>mentality that prevents prosecutors from scrutinizing officers testimony with appropriate skepticism.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as officers lies cannot be proved false, prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>have little reason to question their account of events. As

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<v Speaker 2>a New York assistant district attorney told the Maulin Commission,

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<v Speaker 2>taking money is considered dirty, but perjury for the sake

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<v Speaker 2>of an arrest is accepted. It's become more casual. Great,

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<v Speaker 2>this takes us to Richard Jewel. But first, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what Richard Jewel would have loved if he were alive

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<v Speaker 2>to see this.

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<v Speaker 3>Ads.

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>He would have loved ads supporting podcasts. That would have

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<v Speaker 2>been Richard Jewele's favorite thing. Ah tragic. We're back and

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about police officers lying under oath in order

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>to secure arrests and convictions. Right, and Richard Jewel, I tell,

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>I've just told you this guy wants to be a

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<v Speaker 2>cop more than anything. He idolizes cops. He is not

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of guy I don't think who would have

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<v Speaker 2>lied to get an arrest. Or to get a conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>He does. He is a true believer, right, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna cause him problems, right, because I'm not saying this

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<v Speaker 2>to like, I don't think he's a he's not a

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 2>person I would consider. I don't consider his ethics to

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 2>be ethical, right, Like, I don't think it's ethical to

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 2>arrest people for making noise in a hot tub, right.

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 2>And he's very serious about a lot of stuff that

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with. But he's consistent. He's internally consistent.

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 2>He does believe in the law, and he's not a liar.

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 2>He's a very He described himself as a very methodical person.

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 2>He liked to plan out everything. He read the Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>Legal Code for fun. And he's not gonna fit in

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.239
<v Speaker 2>with the Sheriff's department because he wants to be a

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>good cop and they have a very different idea about

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>what a good cop is. Right. He described the rural

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>county he worked in as like going back into the

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>seventies in terms of law enforcement. In other words, this

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>is a place where there's good old boys who enjoy

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>limited immunity to crimes, and there's other people, skin color

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>dependent who are You're much more free to harass or hassle, right,

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's not the kind of cop Jewel wants to be,

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<v Speaker 2>right if this were. He's kind of like Sergeant Nicholas

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Angel in Hot Fuzz, right, where he's like he's too

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 2>good for the rest of the department, Except he's not

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>very good at the job either, right, Like, he has

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 2>really good and very strict intentions, but he's not like

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<v Speaker 2>the most competent at police work. And he's also pissing

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 2>everyone off because he takes a lot of stuff seriously

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 2>that they don't take seriously, and he doesn't like it

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 2>when other people are kind of more loosey goosey with

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 2>the rules. So he gets sidelined mostly into dealing with

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>car accidents, right, because that's the part of the job

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 2>he does well and nobody else really wants to do it.

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 2>He works really hard, he puts in fourteen hour days.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>He volunteers to host community events. He's the cop that

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 2>they'll he'll go talk to a school or whatever. He

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 2>loves doing that kind of shit, But his fellow officers

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>are kind of just after they get to know him,

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>waiting for an excuse to shitcan him and get him

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>off of the force, right, because again he's kind of

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 2>cramping their style and he's attempting to the story. He

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>tells us that he was trying to pursue someone and

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 2>he crashes his police car in nineteen ninety five, and

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>that's the chance these people had been waiting for, right,

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>So he is demoted, he loses his badge. He's offered

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 2>to stay working at the jail, but Richard is unwilling

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>to return to that kind of life, so he resigns

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>from the force and he gets the kind of job

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 2>that you get when you're a failed cop. He becomes

0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a campus cop, right, perfect, Yeah, that's the it's the

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>circle of cop. So Piedmont College hires him and he

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>immediately gets a reputation. Again, he's super diligent, like he

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>will absolutely write people up for every infraction he sees,

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and he will pursue the kind of infractions you know.

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>College campus cops generally you understand like it at certain

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>times and stuff. People are going to party, there's going

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 2>to be underage drinking, and you don't always go after that,

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 2>right because, like for what they it's kind of impossible

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to police it all. So you kind of triage that

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of shit. Right, Richard can't stand any kind of

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>violation of the rules, and so he goes after kids

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>whenever he sees any kind of infraction. He's issuing tickets,

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to arrest people. He is very aggressive about this,

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>to the point that the president of the college gets

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 2>calls three or four times a week from different people

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 2>complaining to him about Jeweles behavior. Right, Like, he thinks,

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>my job is to be a cop, and the real

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>job is to basically be a babysitter and make sure

0:29:59.080 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>kids don't.

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Die, right, Yeah, that they don't hurt themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they love to fuck with him, though, Oh

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 4>my god, he's like the.

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Dream absolutely And he again he does sound like the

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>most annoying campus cop. And it was during them, his

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>campus cop days, that Richard would notch his one real

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 2>victory in the war on crime. During a manhunt for

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>a suspected burglar, he spotted the culprit hiding near the

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>top of a tree. Writing for Vanity Fair, Marie Brynner

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<v Speaker 2>notes that Jewel had arguments over turf with other officers.

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 2>He described himself as the kind of cop who is

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 2>eager to track down people partying after hours and call

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>their parents. Oh and this obsession, yeah, this all clashes

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 2>with what his employers want him to do. The president

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 2>of the university repeatedly begs him, hey man, calm the

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 2>fuck down, like he's up. This is not what we

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>want you doing, and Richard refuses to bend, so he

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 2>resigns rather than accept that some kids are going to

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 2>drink on campus and maybe you need to chill out.

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So, once this job falls through, he finds himself back

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta, looking for a new job and living with

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>his mother. Now, because of the way this all timed out,

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics is coming to town, right, this is the

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Olympics. I don't know why the fuck you'd want

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to hold an Olympics in a city that has such

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>nightmarish summer weather and horrible traffic. But they only host

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>cities in places with horrible traffic, or host Olympics in

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>places with horrible traffic, which is why they're doing it

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>in La next maybe the only city worse than Atlanta

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>to do the Olympics in the good fucking lucky Olympic

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>dick shits. I hope you enjoy it.

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 3>I remember watching this one.

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Great gymnastics, Yeah, great gymnastics, great terrorism, all sorts of

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>good stuff in this Olympics. So Richard is excited for

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics because you know, they're a disaster for any

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>city's economy.

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>They never really work out very well in the long run,

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>But in the short term they work out really well

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 2>for one group of people, which is security guards, because

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 2>you need a shitload of security guards standing around all

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>of these different venues and you know areas of the

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 2>city that have been like walled off for the event

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to tell people, hey, you can't be here, or to

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>help generally, to help people like figure out where they're

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>supposed to go, right, You're kind of glorified like maths.

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the time. I helped desk as a

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 2>security guard in the situation. But you need a lot

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>of those guys, right, because it's the fucking Olympics. So

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Jewele later recalled thinking, I thought working at the Centennial

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Olympic Park will look really good on my resume. I

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know that that's the case. That's the kind of

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 2>man Richard was. He gets the job easily enough, and

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>he brings the same attitude to this next gig that

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>he brought to his previous career as a real cop.

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 2>It was actual job, as best as I can put

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>it together, was to stand overnight by a sound and

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 2>light tower near the main stage area. The people who'd

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>planned for the Olympic Atlanta Olympics did a terrible job,

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>as is always the case when people planned for an Olympics,

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>and so the whole downtown area, the whole Olympic Park downtown,

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>which is like twenty one acres, was constantly claught. It

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>was a nightmare. Athletes are regularly late for their events

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 2>because they just like can't get through this shit. Almost

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 2>nobody who's in this park is from Atlantis. They don't

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>know where they're going anyway, and everything's like walled off

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and fenced off in a weird way. It's just a

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 2>fucking Titanic mess. So his job is helping to manage

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>foot traffic and help lost people get where they're going. Now.

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Marie Brynner talked extensively with Richard Jewel for her piece,

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and he gives us in some of these interviews, we

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>get clips, like pieces of his day to day life

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>that do not make this sound like a demanding job.

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 2>This is on paper supposed to be kind of a

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>do nothing gig quote. Jewel had a routine he would

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>check in and fill the ice chest he kept by

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>a bench at his station. Jewel liked to offer water

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and cokes to pregnant women or policemen who stop to rest.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Those are the two guys who deserve cokes. Pregnant women

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and cops.

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 3>One of them probably shouldn't have cokes.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 2>But that's one of them. Probably shouldn't have a coke.

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Fuck it, yeah, a little bit of

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of caffee. I think we get too

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>we're too protective of fetuses these days.

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 3>I agree. I agree. Eat sushi whatever, it doesn't matter,

0:33:59.360 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 3>eat sush.

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>She have some coffee, A little bit of crack cocaine

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 2>probably not bad for you. What just a little bit,

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. It's cleaner as a hunter. Biden reminded us,

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 2>all it's cleaner than it's basically like an apple. So

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>very little is expected of Richard Jewel in his job

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 2>as security guard, but as usual, he takes the job

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 2>very seriously. This is one thing I'll say for him.

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't consider in a normal instance, maybe we'd call

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 2>this sad, but he doesn't consider being a security guard

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 2>to be any less serious than being a police officer. Right.

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>He treats the job the same way, and thank god

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>he did, because he's going to save a shitload of

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>people's lives. This is really like a wild moment of

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>like this guy. Every other thing else I've said about

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.360
<v Speaker 2>him is this is like the fucking set up to

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 2>a very depressing not Adam Sandler Rob Schneider movie, right,

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 2>or I guess Paul Blart Malcot might be a better

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 2>fucking comparison or whatever. But like, it doesn't sound like

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:06.280
<v Speaker 2>we're setting up for this guy to have be very impressive,

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 2>but he is, because again, he treats this job like

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 2>it's life and death and it's about to be a

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 2>bit after midnight on July twenty seventh, nineteen ninety six,

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>jul is doing his rounds and he notices that the

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 2>people at Budworld, which I'm assuming was a pop up

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 2>bar sponsored by Budweiser, we're getting kind of rowdy and loud. Now.

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to know what bud World was, so in

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>order in an effort to do my due diligence, I

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>googled bud World Olympics, which brought up this television ad

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 2>which I'm just gonna get everybody so weaken before we

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 2>move on here. Everyone just needs a little hit of

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen nineties, just like just like one quick dose,

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, just a little bump to get us through.

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I can't wait.

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, World, everyone's got to add something to the party.

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>In Mexico. You've got this awfu Saiti sunset. How about

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>two weeks were France La We'll get back to your France,

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 2>gree the hook he started the whole thing.

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Malaysia, Yeah, some of those Norway, you're in charge.

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 4>Of the ice.

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Uh. We got the Fudd the Bud World party during

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the ninety six Summer Games.

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Now everybody else has culture. We got beer.

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>That was my question, like who is this most racist

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>to because it, weirdly enough, I think it's Americans. Yes,

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, oh yeah, all these other cultures got there.

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess Norway is just being like Ice.

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:36.280
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of fucked up too. Oh the nineties. Okay,

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>now that we've all gotten that, that that quick, quick,

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 2>hot hit of the nineties, let's get let's get back

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 2>to the terrorist attack that we're talking about. So Jewel

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Richard jewel here's people getting drunken rowdy at the bud

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 2>World event where you're supposed to get drunken rowdy, right,

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 2>and worse, he sees that people have spilled out of

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the event itself and there's like leaving beers on the

0:36:55.960 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 2>ground and wandering around and you know, being a problem.

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 2>And him being the campus cop who got fired for

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 2>being too angry at people partying, he leaps into action

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and he goes off to report the trash and the

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 2>quote carousing. And this may be the only time in

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 2>history where a rent a cop being overly a buzzkill

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 2>works out because on his way to report the not

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 2>really a crime in progress, he notices something. Someone has

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>left a green military style backpack lying on the ground unattended.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 2>So Richard reports the bag and a small team of

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement bears down on the area and they start

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>looking around to try to find the bag's owner. And

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.839
<v Speaker 2>interviews after the fact, Jewelry recalled that he didn't take

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.879
<v Speaker 2>this seriously at first. They'd found a similar unattended bag

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.399
<v Speaker 2>a few days ago, and he expected this to end

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 2>like that had, right, So as soon as he calls

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 2>out the bag and you cops start trying to figure

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 2>out who the bag belongs to. He winds up in

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:55.960
<v Speaker 2>an argument with a group of drunk people who like

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:59.760
<v Speaker 2>smudge a camer lens, and then he kind of realizes

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>like they're not finding the owner of the bag. So

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 2>he walks over to this GBI, the Georgia's Bureau of Investigation,

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.959
<v Speaker 2>it's like the state FBI for Georgia, and he asked

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the guy, are you going to open it? And then

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 2>here's Jewell quote. At that point, it was not a concern.

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking to myself, well, I'm sure one of

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 2>these people left it on the ground. When Davis, that

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the GBI agent, came back and said nobody said it

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 2>was theirs, that's when the little hairs on the back

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 2>of my head began to stand up. I thought, uh, oh,

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>this is not good. So he and that agent clear

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a twenty five foot square. They start getting people away.

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:32.919
<v Speaker 2>They're like, everyone needs to clear the area. Clear the area,

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and they clear a twenty five foot square around the bag.

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 3>Nobody looks in the bag or like that's no, you.

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 2>You really, because who knows if that's what triggers it, right,

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.879
<v Speaker 2>if like opening it or whatever would set it off

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 2>or something you you as a security guard, and some

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>random guy from the GBI shouldn't like obviously bomb people,

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 2>but like you don't. You don't want some guy who

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 2>has no fucking idea what he's doing with explosives to

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 2>look into that.

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Bag, right, I just don't look at a I totally agree,

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 4>but I don't look at a backpack, and I'm like, bomb.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 3>But I guess in this situation you have to Yes.

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank god he did, right, Like yeah, it is like,

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>this is one of those things where I have to say,

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 2>nearly everyone would have just been just a fucking bag,

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't. And Richard was in there, right, you know,

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.759
<v Speaker 2>he was waiting his whole life of being like overly

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:24.879
<v Speaker 2>paranoid and fucking serious about shit for the one time

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.840
<v Speaker 2>in which it mattered and saved a shitload of people's lives.

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>So he does a circle while they're clearing people where

0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 2>he starts sticking his head in different structures in the

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 2>park and basically saying, hey, get out of whatever, cause

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>there's you know, there's different Like you've got these like

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 2>booths where people are like filming for different day and

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.399
<v Speaker 2>like yelling at people, get the fuck out now, get

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the fuck out now, right, And he deserves a lot

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 2>of credit here. He flips from normal day wandering around

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 2>angry at drunk people too. I have to clear this area,

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>something really bad could be happening. And he does this

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 2>before he knows there's a bomb there. He just I

0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 2>think that it must just be instinct or whatever. But

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 2>as a result, because of how many people he and

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>this other guy Davis clear away. When the bomb goes off,

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's sometime after one in the morning, it's like

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 2>a little after one am, it doesn't harm nobody, right,

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 2>but it harms only a fraction of the people who

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 2>might otherwise have been present. Like the if the pipe bob,

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 2>if the area had been as crowded as it was

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be, I mean, it could have been a

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 2>dozen or more people dead, like potentially dozens and dozens injured,

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, and like.

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 3>How many people died.

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Two deaths, one directly and one indirectly, and like one

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:40.879
<v Speaker 2>hundred eleven injuries. So if they hadn't cleared the area,

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 2>it killed two people and injured more than one hundred

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 2>after they had cleared the area. If they hadn't cleared

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 2>the area, if it was still full of drunk people

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 2>and camera crews and the like, like just a nightmare.

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Like it would have been much worse. They saved a

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of people's lives, right, I mean, easily more than

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>a dozen lives. I don't know how. It's impossible to

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:03.760
<v Speaker 2>say how many, but I would have been shocked if

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 2>it had been if it was any less than that, right,

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>they This really is a significant thing that Jewel does,

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 2>and Jewel and this other guy Davis do, But Jewel

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>is the guy who notices at first. Probably nobody would

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 2>have picked it out if he hadn't, right, because this

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>was his area and it was his job to be

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 2>on guard. And he was right, which kind of justifies

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 2>his entire life up to this point, right, you know,

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.919
<v Speaker 2>And that should be a happy story, right, this kind

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 2>of happy hapless you know, guy who couldn't hack it

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.839
<v Speaker 2>as a cop, rent a cop, never got respect. He's

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 2>finally a hero, He's legitimately a hero.

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:46.279
<v Speaker 2>They cleared and estimated seventy five to one hundred, one

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.440
<v Speaker 2>hundred people away from the area, So again, at least

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>another seventy five to one hundred people would have been

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 2>in the blast radius if they had not done what

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>they did Nancy Coleman for The New York Times rites quote.

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 2>The pipe bomb inside the bag exploded minutes later. Alice

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>s Hawthorne, a spectator from Albany, Georgia, died in the blast.

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Millie Uzannel, a Turkish cameraman running to cover the explosion,

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 2>died of a heart attack soon after. Right, so again,

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and that's, you know, a death from a heart attack,

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>so potentially, assuming that hadn't happened, Like you're talking one

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 2>death directly from the explosion as opposed to an additional

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>seventy five to one hundred people being in the blast.

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Ratis right, not not hard to imagine how much worse

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:30.839
<v Speaker 2>it could have been. Jewel kind of becomes a hero immediately,

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.879
<v Speaker 2>like he it's very clear from the jump that he's

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the guy who spotted this and what he had done.

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 2>And he gets interviewed by local and national news later

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>that day, he tells CNN, the only thing I wish

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 2>we could have done is got everybody out of the area.

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:46.839
<v Speaker 2>I feel for the victims and their families, and I mean,

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 2>it's the Olympics. It's supposed to be a time of

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 2>joy for the world, and it's a very very bad thing.

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.399
<v Speaker 2>And obviously he's traumatized by the explosion. He's there, he's

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 2>at ground zero, he sees the injuries, he sees the

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 2>person who's killed, so that he's fucked up by this, obviously,

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>but he's also undeniably the hero. And in a better world,

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>he would have gotten the validation he'd always sought and

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 2>it probably would have been good for his career. Right.

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I have trouble if this had been where the story ended.

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I have trouble imagining him not getting hired by a

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 2>police department somewhere only to get the good pr of

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 2>bringing on this hero security guard. Right.

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.879
<v Speaker 3>He could definitely work for ICE now for sure.

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:25.439
<v Speaker 4>Right? Well?

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Unfortunately, the world is not a just place and

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 2>instead of you know, this leading to him actually having

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 2>a career, you know, in law enforcement, this nearly ruins

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.760
<v Speaker 2>his life, right, Like, this absolutely shatters him for quite

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 2>some time.

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 3>So from the trust are you about to know? Okay?

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So as soon as the blast happens, Jules old

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.240
<v Speaker 2>boss at Piedmont College, Ray Clear, sees his former employee

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>on TV and he gets pissed because he didn't like

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 2>they'd fallen out when Richard caught a kid's smoking pot

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 2>and insisted on arresting and charging the boy, and Clear

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, just like cite him, you don't. We

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>don't need any arrests of students over marijuana. That's like, don't,

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 2>don't do that, right, And obviously Clear is in the

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 2>right here. But because he doesn't like Richard Jewel, he

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't trust him, and he thinks that he's because he's

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of been He's this weird guy, right, he's like

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 2>weirdly into being a cop. He's just had rubbed Clear

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the wrong way. And so Clear calls the Georgia Buer

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 2>of Investigation and he reports, Hey, this guy who everyone

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 2>is saying is the hero, I think he's got a

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 2>lot of attension seeking behavior and bad judgment and maybe

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 2>you should take another look into him, right, basically saying,

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe he's set it up right, and you could

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 2>almost see you can see it a logic there. Okay,

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:50.799
<v Speaker 2>sure this guy had failed out of being a cop.

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 2>He wants to be a hero. Maybe he planted a

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>bomb so that he could get everyone away from it.

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Right now, that's a stretch, and the there is not

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.480
<v Speaker 2>any evidence ever that this was the case. So again,

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I think this is just a guy who didn't like

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Richard calling the GBI and trying to, like, out of

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 2>jealousy or something, fuck up his former employee. But the

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 2>tip gets passed along to the FBI, and the FBI

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 2>takes it seriously and they send out investigators to look

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 2>and do every aspect of Jules life.

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Robert, I would never out you to the FBI, I promise.

0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Sophie, that that is absolutely doesn't sound like

0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.399
<v Speaker 2>something someone who just outed me to the FBI would say.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I would never do that. I would never do that.

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 2>What if I arrested a kid for smoking pot?

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Poor form? Even with enemies, I think, don't go out

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 3>of your way to fuck with someone's life like you

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>should be evidence.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>This guy was just like, hmmm, I don't know, he's

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.880
<v Speaker 2>got to use an attention seeker. I don't trust him, even.

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 3>A weird guy. I didn't like him.

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Let me call sir.

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.359
<v Speaker 2>You were being I was on your back for the

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 2>pot thing. But you are the dick here now, right, Yeah?

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 2>And you know the initial investigation and honestly, any responsible

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 2>investigation would have looked into Jewel a little, right because

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>he was there, and you always like, that's not unreasonable

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to look into the guy, right, But being the FBI,

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 2>they pursue this in the most fucked up and scummy

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>way possible. So two days after the bombing, Jewel gets

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.279
<v Speaker 2>a phone call from a friend of his with the

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Georgia Bureau of Investigation. This is like somebody that he

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>had been social with. I think somebody that he idolized,

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 2>because this guy is a real, you know, special agent, right,

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:37.799
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what I want to do, right. And

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 2>so the FBI when they find out that there's someone

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.399
<v Speaker 2>and the jerge of Bureau of Investigation who knows Jewel,

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 2>they're like, hey, he likes you, right, he thinks you're

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 2>his friend, gets some info out of him, right, Yeah.

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 2>So this guy at the GBI calls Jewel and he's like, hey, buddy,

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 2>who I probably hadn't talked to in weeks. I was

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.400
<v Speaker 2>out of work the day the bombing happened. Mind if

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I come over to your house and you tell me

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 2>what happened. I'm just really curious about how you were

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 2>such a hero. Obviously, this guy's wearing a wire the

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:11.959
<v Speaker 2>whole time, right. So Jewel is unaware, though he thinks

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 2>that his cool friend in the GBI is proud of

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>him and just wants to hear about his triumph and Mayami,

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 2>who knows, maybe I could get a job at the

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>GBI after this, right, you know, having just saved all

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 2>these people's lives. Now again, Jewel does not catch on.

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>But what's happened here is at this early stage, the

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>FEDS have gone from considering Richard Jeul a hero to

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 2>within days suspecting him of being the bomber. Right almost immediately,

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>he becomes their prime Like there's a couple of guys earlier,

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.760
<v Speaker 2>as we'll talk about who they'd seen, but very quickly

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 2>he becomes the primary focus of the investigator, and the

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 2>reasoning why they focus on him boils mostly down to laziness.

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:53.879
<v Speaker 2>And this is my opinion here, but I think there's

0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 2>some professional jealousy going on here too. Because the fbis

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 2>out in at every Olympics in the US. Obviously, the

0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 2>GBI is there because it's in Georgia. These are the

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 2>premier law enforcement agencies in the region that are supposed

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.360
<v Speaker 2>to be making sure a bombing doesn't happen. They both

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>fuck up. A bomber gets through security with a bomb,

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.760
<v Speaker 2>enters the Olympic park area and sets off the bomb

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 2>without being caught. And the only reason it wasn't worse

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and that dozens of people aren't dead is that a

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 2>rent a cop outperformed the entire federal law enforcement apparatus,

0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>all of the millions of dollars in gear, the bomb

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:38.479
<v Speaker 2>sniffing dogs, the metal detectors, None of that did any shit.

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.479
<v Speaker 2>None of these highly paid special agents figured out fuck

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 2>none of them caught anyone anything one Before this happened.

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.480
<v Speaker 2>It was a rent a cop walking back to complain

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 2>about some drunk kids who spotted the bomb and saved

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the day. Right, And I think that pisses off and

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>embarrasses the FBI. I think the attitude for a lot

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 2>of people in the bureau is like and it particularly

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 2>is we'll talk about the guy who's the director of

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:05.399
<v Speaker 2>the BEAU at the time, is like, well, this looks

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 2>really bad for us, unless that fucker was the bomber.

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Then then then the FBI gets to be the hero again,

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 2>right once we once we take this guy down, Right now,

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 2>you know who would never sell you out to the FBI?

0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 1>The product, Yeah, the products and services that support me.

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, several of our sponsors would sell you out to

0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:41.799
<v Speaker 2>the FBI. Anyway, here's a ans we're back. So the

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>FBI is embarrassed, and this embarrassment also, it's not just

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:48.279
<v Speaker 2>that like they'd fucked up and let a bomb go

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 2>off at the Olympic Park and the rent a cop

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>was the guy who caught it. But this has been

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a bad This is we're talking ninety six. This has

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 2>been a bad decade so far for the FBI and

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 2>for federal law enforcement as a whole. Couple of years

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 2>ago you had Ruby Ridge and then Waco, and Waco

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>is still very fresh in the public mind. And then

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>obviously the Oklahoma City bombing happens a year before this bombing, right,

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and the FBI fails to stop it.

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.359
<v Speaker 1>That's literally the trifecta.

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, they don't look good right now. And the

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 2>fact that yet another bomber bombed yet another high profile

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>place that the FBI is supposed to be protecting does

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 2>not make them look.

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Good, right unless this guy did it.

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Unless this guy did it and then we catch him

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and then we're heroes again, right, And Yeah, the more

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 2>investigators looked into it, the more it looked like there

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 2>might be a case here. Because everyone they talk to

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 2>is they reach out to the guys. Number one. A

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of Jeweles former co workers don't like him, and

0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 2>they don't like him because they were I think, as

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 2>a general rule, shadier cops than he was, right, and

0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>because he's legitimately seems to have been kind of annoying, right, Like,

0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 2>he was very over zealous. But none of those things

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>are like crime or terrorism adjacent.

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.439
<v Speaker 2>But they start putting together this because they're only looking

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 2>at a narrow and this is this kind of myopic

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 2>detective blindness you get if you're only looking at a

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 2>really narrow subset of the facts, it can look well, okay,

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 2>we're just looking at jewel Oh, he's over zealous. He

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 2>really badly wants to be a cop. He do anything

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to be a cop. Maybe he cooked all this up

0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:27.879
<v Speaker 2>for the benefit of his career, and it really does

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 2>seem like he's making the most of his fifteen minutes

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 2>of fame. He gets interviewed by CNN. The AT and

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.359
<v Speaker 2>T's publicity team basically works up an appearance and makes

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 2>him wear a company shirt because he'd been a security

0:51:38.680 --> 0:51:42.160
<v Speaker 2>guard for AT and T. I guess because AT and

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 2>T wanted Americans to associate their favorite phone company with

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:49.239
<v Speaker 2>a terroristic bombing that killed and named people. I don't

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.560
<v Speaker 2>know why. It's a weird call at and D.

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:53.400
<v Speaker 3>That is weird.

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Marriott for sure, Yeah, that would make sense. Richard would

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 2>later claim the idea of going on TV made me nervous.

0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I was not the hero. There were so many others

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>who saved lives, and perhaps the FBI would have concluded

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 2>its investigation without Jewel catching on. Right again, some degree

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 2>of looking into this guy is reasonable, but given what

0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 2>happens next here, that winds up being impossible. And the

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.520
<v Speaker 2>reason why there's no chance to keep this under wraps,

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 2>and the reason why everything blows up and Jewel's life

0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 2>blows up is that the Atlanta Journal Constitution, which is

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.440
<v Speaker 2>a local paper of record in Atlanta, publishes an article

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>on July thirtieth in which they announced that the FBI

0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 2>had a suspect for the bombing security guard Richard Jewel. Now,

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the Journal was owned by Cox Newspapers, who had flown

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.799
<v Speaker 2>something like three hundred people in from other papers to

0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 2>report out of the Journal's office. They had like sent

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:50.600
<v Speaker 2>reporters around, flown them all around the world to like

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.439
<v Speaker 2>study up on different sports that they could report well

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>on the Olympics, because they're putting out a daily special

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Olympics edition and the expense they've spent millions preparing to

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 2>cover the Olympics. Right now, this is a time in

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 2>which there's more money in the newspaper biz. But you

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.800
<v Speaker 2>got to remember whenever you're investing that kind of capital

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.839
<v Speaker 2>into an endeavor, you have to make a return, right.

0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:14.320
<v Speaker 2>And so the new editor of the paper, John Walter,

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.799
<v Speaker 2>is expecting the fact that there's been a bombing that's

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 2>like a huge boon potentially to the media, right, Like,

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>this is something people are going to read about. And

0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 2>we're the paper of record for Atlanta. We've got to

0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 2>be the ones breaking the scoops. We can't get scooped

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 2>by the big national papers. We can't let the New

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 2>York Times take this from us, right, get something out

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 2>about this, you know. And the editor is this guy,

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 2>John Walter, who is he had replaced a more traditional

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:44.360
<v Speaker 2>ethical newsman. Walter is of this kind of generation of

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 2>guys who's trying to find more exciting and profitable ways

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 2>to package news content as opposed to doing good journalism,

0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 2>pro vanity fair quote more and more, the paper's influence

0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 2>was on what John Walter called chunklets, short bits, and

0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 2>soft news style known as eye candy, published features on

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 2>couple's massage and how mushrooms grow in the rain. Walter

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 2>had fired off several terse memos to ensure that there

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:08.399
<v Speaker 2>would be no more jumps of news stories to back

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>pages and no more unsourced news stories except on rare occasions.

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't see any reason why you can't report hard

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 2>news in a short form, one editor told me. The

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:21.240
<v Speaker 2>AJAC style of reporting and declarative sentences had a name too,

0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 2>the Voice of God. It was omniscient because it allowed

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 2>no references to unattributed sources. Subjects such as aids, which

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 2>often required confidentiality, could not be covered properly in the paper.

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 2>In the opinion of several reporters, the AJAC picked up

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:37.280
<v Speaker 2>news stories with unnamed sources from the New York Times, however,

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:41.160
<v Speaker 2>and reporters groused about the hypocrisy of the double standard. Now,

0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:43.480
<v Speaker 2>all this was going to cause problems because the journal

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 2>can't let themselves be scooped in their hometown, but they

0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:50.600
<v Speaker 2>get reached out to They get basically a leak from

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the FBI, who leaks them documents that make it clear

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that Richard Jewel is their chief suspect, right. That's what

0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 2>happens is someone from the FBI talks to them. And

0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 2>this is a really ethically questionable thing because a person

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 2>who is suspected of a crime has not been charged

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.840
<v Speaker 2>with it. They certainly haven't been convicted. Is it ethical

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:13.719
<v Speaker 2>at all to report that this guy is under suspicion

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:17.359
<v Speaker 2>right now, because you're going to nuke his life and

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>make a huge number of people think he murdered someone

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 2>and tried to murder dozens more people. Right, But on

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the other hand, it's going to sell papers, so obviously

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:31.920
<v Speaker 2>print that shit, right And so General reporter Mary Scruggs

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:35.799
<v Speaker 2>writes an article titled FBI suspects hero guard may have

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:39.440
<v Speaker 2>planted bomb, and again it uses this kind of voice

0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 2>of God phrasings to where like they did they had

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:46.160
<v Speaker 2>a source that they couldn't admit that it had reached out

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 2>to them, But they don't say that, right, Like, they

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 2>don't address that at all. And I'm going to read

0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 2>a quote from the article. Richard Jewell, thirty three, a

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 2>former law enforcement officer, I fits the profile of the

0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:00.839
<v Speaker 2>lone bomber. This profile generally includes a frustrated white man

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.440
<v Speaker 2>who is a former police officer, member of the military,

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:05.759
<v Speaker 2>or police wannabe who seeks to become a hero.

0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 3>That's so fucked up.

0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 2>That's so fucked up. Like, that's not even a that's

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 2>not a real profile. That's not the lone bomber. How

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.000
<v Speaker 2>many loan bombers have fit this profile?

0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 3>Also, yes, he's eager and like wants to be liked.

0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's I'm sorry. I don't think the standard

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Loane bomber is a wannabe cop who wants to be

0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.839
<v Speaker 2>a hero, in part because the guy who actually did

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the bombings, who will talk about later, was an anti

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:38.480
<v Speaker 2>abortion activist who was bombing people because he thinks abortion's murder.

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 2>He's a Christian extremist, supremacist, special Forces veteran, but.

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Somehow doesn't think murder is murder.

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I think he's fine with murder. Oh, like they're all

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 2>fine with murder, just not fine with women having choices.

0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:53.799
<v Speaker 2>We understand what this is about. We don't have to

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:55.840
<v Speaker 2>play around with their semantics games.

0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.319
<v Speaker 4>There was definitely gonna be a manifesto though, that was

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.920
<v Speaker 4>really involved in this, and thank you. I was worried

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.319
<v Speaker 4>that this was still unsolved, so I'm so no, no, no, they.

0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Figured it out.

0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 2>It gets solved as shit. Okay, I'm just bringing it

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 2>up to point out, like their compl profile is completely wrong, right, yes,

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Now as to how this all happen, because we don't

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 2>exactly know how they got their source, It's very likely

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 2>they get leaked by someone in the FBI, but I

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.920
<v Speaker 2>don't think that that's been proven to a point of certainty.

0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:28.280
<v Speaker 2>The director of the FBI at this point was a

0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:33.040
<v Speaker 2>toad named Lewis free fr e H. He came into

0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.720
<v Speaker 2>the bombing prime to make bad decisions. One of his

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 2>closest advisors was former Deputy director of the FBI Larry Potts,

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:43.800
<v Speaker 2>who tried to cover up FBI incompetence at Ruby Ridge three,

0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:46.920
<v Speaker 2>made himself responsible for the oversight of the bureau's efforts

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:48.560
<v Speaker 2>in this high profile case. He comes in and as

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.560
<v Speaker 2>immediately like I am, I am, like where the buck

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 2>stops with this case. I'm directly overseeing this as director

0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 2>of the FBI, because this is like obviously, given everything

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.240
<v Speaker 2>that's happen, and nothing matters more than us quickly finding

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>a culprit, right, and they don't, you know, initially there

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 2>had been like a suspect, a suspect who was like

0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:10.880
<v Speaker 2>a drunk at a bar who the night before and

0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 2>made some threatening comments. So he's their first suspect. But

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 2>it turns out he's got an alibi. And this happens

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times, right where they'll find someone and

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 2>he'll seem like it might this guy might have been

0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.280
<v Speaker 2>the one who did it, and then it'll become clear

0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.000
<v Speaker 2>that he could not have been the bomber, and Free

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 2>flips out at his subordinates each time. He becomes, in

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:34.040
<v Speaker 2>their words, abusive, condescending, and dismissive every time they tell him, no,

0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 2>it couldn't have been that guy. And whenever they start

0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.400
<v Speaker 2>to suspect a new person, Free will declare, we have

0:58:39.560 --> 0:58:42.959
<v Speaker 2>our man. He does that every time. And so when

0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 2>they settle on and they get this leak and they

0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 2>start looking in to Richard Jewel, Free is like, we've

0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:50.240
<v Speaker 2>got our guy. This is him, this has to be him.

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Make sure it's him, right, and that there is some

0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 2>evidence that suggests that Free orchestrated the leaking of information

0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 2>hours after the bombing. Right because he does this seems possible.

0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 2>We know he does this with the first time they

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:06.400
<v Speaker 2>have a suspect that drunk at the bar, like there's

0:59:06.440 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a leak, so the papers know the FBI's got someone,

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.439
<v Speaker 2>and then it's really embarrassing to him because that guy

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 2>wound up not having done it right, So it's just

0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 2>very likely that he did the same thing with Jewel, Right, are.

0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:24.560
<v Speaker 4>The Olympics like going on the whole Like, yeah, yet.

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Slow shit down a bit, but okay, it's more just

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.840
<v Speaker 2>a matter of there is this high profile bombing at

0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics. The FBI still hasn't caught the guy. The

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma City bombing happened a year ago and they didn't

0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.320
<v Speaker 2>stop that. It's just this like, we have to prove

0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.800
<v Speaker 2>that we're worth all the money that the country spends

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:42.640
<v Speaker 2>on us, because it really doesn't look like it right now. Right,

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 2>we're fucking we're taking a massive l in public and

0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't accept that, you know. So, for their part,

0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 2>the journal avoids telling anyone how they got because it's

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:58.240
<v Speaker 2>like a memo that they get that that lists Jewel

0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:01.760
<v Speaker 2>is the suspect, and they don't. Oh again, it's this

1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:04.160
<v Speaker 2>whole voice of God thing. They give no attribution and

1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:08.640
<v Speaker 2>they don't cite a source Atlanta Magazine describes their reporting

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<v Speaker 2>as quote, leaving the reader to wonder whether the claims

1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:14.040
<v Speaker 2>came from a legitimate law enforcement enforcement official or from

1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:17.320
<v Speaker 2>a proclamation of God. It's this And I have so

1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:20.440
<v Speaker 2>many issues with like the way a lot of media

1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:22.440
<v Speaker 2>works with like objectivity in this book, and this is

1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:24.200
<v Speaker 2>another example of that of like, no, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>way our paper sounds.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't cite anonymous sources. We don't say that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been leaked something because that would be kind of that

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<v Speaker 2>would be breaking this voice of God that is so

1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:38.400
<v Speaker 2>important to us. Otherwise people aren't going to trust the journal.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what that does here is the FBI leaks

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<v Speaker 2>to them instead of saying, yeah, the same guy who

1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:45.720
<v Speaker 2>leaked to us, the same people who leak to us

1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 2>the name or a suspect who was exonerated have leaked

1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 2>again a suspect, but this guy one's totally it. Guys,

1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:56.880
<v Speaker 2>but we're not going to tell you where it came from. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's doing well here, you see it like it's the Meatia. Yeah,

1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:04.439
<v Speaker 2>and particularly this one publication are being slimy as shit

1:01:05.080 --> 1:01:08.240
<v Speaker 2>because it's good for business and because they've made a

1:01:08.280 --> 1:01:12.200
<v Speaker 2>series of bad decisions editorially, and the FBI is just

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<v Speaker 2>desperate to have to make it clear, No, we're doing

1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:17.120
<v Speaker 2>our jobs, We're on the ball, you're safe, we know

1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:18.560
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing. We know we fucked up and let

1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:20.960
<v Speaker 2>a bombing happen, but you know it's really not our

1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:23.000
<v Speaker 2>fault because it's probably the security guard. How could we

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<v Speaker 2>have known?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Like that's that's what they're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the headlines where it's like the people in

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<v Speaker 4>Gaza were bombed, but it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>By who exactly? Yeah right, yeah, I don't mean to

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<v Speaker 3>bring down the vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, but like it is this all of

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<v Speaker 2>these are like continuing problems for a lot of legacy media,

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<v Speaker 2>right like this, like the the paper's brand and reputation

1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:55.200
<v Speaker 2>is what matters more than like making sure that we're

1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:59.160
<v Speaker 2>doing things ethically, and obviously traffic money, make sure that

1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:01.840
<v Speaker 2>makes me more than making sure we're doing things ethically. Right,

1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:05.280
<v Speaker 2>these these articles will sell, People will buy our paper

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<v Speaker 2>if we're covering this case. So let's just if that

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<v Speaker 2>means destroying Richard Jewel's life, fuck him. Right, So you've

1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:15.680
<v Speaker 2>gotten the FBI, you've got the director pressuring every lead

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<v Speaker 2>to be the guy, and Jewel, you know, seems like

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<v Speaker 2>their best bet. So that article drops on the thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 2>the same day that two FBI agents show up at

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Jewel's house and ask him if he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>make a training film for them, So he doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>get to see this article that the journal's published saying

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<v Speaker 2>that he's the FBI's main suspect. But on the same

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<v Speaker 2>day they show up early at his house and like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you did such a good job. Would you make a

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<v Speaker 2>training video for us about how spotted the bomb? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you come in the station? And because we

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<v Speaker 2>just we're such big fancy maybe you've got a career

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<v Speaker 2>in the bureau Richard, right, Obviously there's no training film.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to in to review him, to see if

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<v Speaker 2>he will slip up or be inconsistent or lie under

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<v Speaker 2>the guise of recording his wisdom as a training video

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<v Speaker 2>for new agents. Jewell started to realize something was up

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<v Speaker 2>when his car was tailed by four other FBI cars

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<v Speaker 2>on the way to the office and they're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't worry about it, it's fine, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>that seems weird. I feel like you don't need four

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<v Speaker 2>or five cars to take a guy to do a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking interview. And then they end the interview this this

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<v Speaker 2>training video, by asking him to sign a waiver of

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<v Speaker 2>his rights, and then he's like, wait a second, that's

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<v Speaker 2>no Actually, I think I want a lawyer now, And

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as he does that, they pull the standard

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<v Speaker 2>cop Why do you need a lawyer, Richard? You didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do anything right.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Like, oh my fucking guy, he's just.

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<v Speaker 2>So shitty, and this is he's this guy. It takes

1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:50.880
<v Speaker 2>him so long to realize what's happening because he trusts

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<v Speaker 2>the system, he trusts cops, he likes, He idolizes these feds,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm actually surprised that he even got it then.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have to imagine the dawn horror as he realizes, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, they were lying to me about all

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<v Speaker 2>of this. They think I did it, and they want

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to trap me, Like it's it's it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up. Like I don't have a lot of inherent

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<v Speaker 2>sympathy for the whole desperately wanting to be a cop thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have to be sympathetic to a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Jewel who believes so strongly in this just saves a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of lives. And then his reward is this system

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<v Speaker 2>he idolizes, absolutely turning on him.

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<v Speaker 3>How long does this go on?

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<v Speaker 2>For about three months?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my?

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<v Speaker 2>So for three months Jewel's life is turned upside down.

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<v Speaker 2>FBI agents stake out his house. His house is searched,

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<v Speaker 2>Everything related to him is searched. Right like they tear

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<v Speaker 2>up his home. They tear up like they're searching the

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<v Speaker 2>houses of people who are like close to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Embarrassing porn came up, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he can't go anywhere without being surrounded. He becomes

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<v Speaker 2>an object of obsession for reporters at the Journal. Not

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<v Speaker 2>only is the FBI always outside of his house, dozens and

1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:04.680
<v Speaker 2>dozens of journalists and cameras. They're always staking out his house,

1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.040
<v Speaker 2>waiting for him to leave, waiting for any chance to

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<v Speaker 2>shout questions at him, and the journal but turns themselves

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<v Speaker 2>into the paper of Richard Jewel. They are publishing multiple

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<v Speaker 2>articles a day about this one guy. On August first,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the day after he has his That first

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<v Speaker 2>article drops in the day after he goes to the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI office on August first, the same day he's rated

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<v Speaker 2>by the FBI. The journal publishes a piece on Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Jewel's history as a campus cop titled a bad Man

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<v Speaker 2>to Cross on the Beat. Here's Atlanta Magazine. Students were

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<v Speaker 2>also quoted as saying that Jewel went to extremes. He

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<v Speaker 2>was very macho, and he could get very belligerate. Piedmont

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<v Speaker 2>College junior Nikki Lane said, I've seen him go from

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<v Speaker 2>calm to angry, back to calm, back to angry in

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of seconds. And like, I get that he's

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<v Speaker 2>a dick and he like tried to bust people for

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<v Speaker 2>smoking pot, But like that doesn't that doesn't mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>a bomber, Like you're going in fact, like he was

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<v Speaker 2>a bad man to cross. He tried to arrest a

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<v Speaker 2>kid for weed. That's pretty far from pipe bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Another paragraph from that article with Atlanta Magazine gives you

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea of how insane the coverage win. This

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<v Speaker 2>is all AJC AJC columnist David Kindred, in his second

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<v Speaker 2>column on Jewel in Two Days, compared the scene to

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<v Speaker 2>the time law enforcement officers sought evidence against Wayne Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>the man convicted of two murders in Atlanta's Missing Children case.

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<v Speaker 2>When federal agents came to this town to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>another suspect who lived with his mother like this one.

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<v Speaker 2>That subject was drawn to the blue lights and sirens

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<v Speaker 2>of police work like this one. He became famous in

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<v Speaker 2>the aftermath of murder and like, yeah, it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>the yellowest journalism you could possibly do. Like they are,

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<v Speaker 2>they are basically they're turning their whole paper into this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>like in his life is just hell. For three straight months,

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<v Speaker 2>every day there's articles not just in the AJAC but

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<v Speaker 2>in national pape Popers digging into his backstory, talking about

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<v Speaker 2>every embarrassing thing he ever did, talking to everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>worked with him, who didn't like him. The whole country

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<v Speaker 2>reviles him. He is a subject of mockery and costs.

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<v Speaker 2>On The Tonight Joe Jay Leno gives him a nickname,

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<v Speaker 2>The Una dufis right again, this man's crime was saving

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people's lives from a bomb, like the

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<v Speaker 2>und this the unidufis like Per The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>government officials and news organizations descended on the apartment Jewel

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<v Speaker 2>shared with his mother. Dozens of FBI agents scoured the

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<v Speaker 2>home and totaway jewels truck in an apartment complex overlooking

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<v Speaker 2>his building. Four stations ABC, CBSCN AND and NBC paid a

1:07:41.320 --> 1:07:43.480
<v Speaker 2>tenant one thousand dollars a day to set up a

1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:47.000
<v Speaker 2>command post in her unit. Yet he was never charged.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside jewel Watch TV, he read, he played video games.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't go outside, not without setting off a high

1:07:53.200 --> 1:07:56.040
<v Speaker 2>speed car chase if government vehicles and media vans anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's just so fucked up, Like he did nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't do that that he saved people's lives and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the country hates him.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I feel kind of conflicted because you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>that murder in Washington who killed those four college girls.

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<v Speaker 2>God, yeah, yeah, yeah, Colburger.

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<v Speaker 1>Right his name, so the Idaho guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah it was Idaho.

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<v Speaker 4>You're right.

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<v Speaker 3>But like they're doing these things.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, like I read articles where it was like

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<v Speaker 4>a teaching assistant that was like, yeah, he was creepy

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<v Speaker 4>as fuck, and in his case, I think that's correct,

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<v Speaker 4>but like, yes, all those tactics turned on an innocent person.

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<v Speaker 2>That's horrible, and that's the thing and you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>and I I never like it when they do this

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<v Speaker 2>with someone who hasn't again, at least Coburger. I think

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<v Speaker 2>by the point most that came out had been charged

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<v Speaker 2>and arrested. You have to remember Jewel has not been charged.

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<v Speaker 2>She he's never charged, right, And it's one thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>we can there is I still have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>issues with reporting on people who have been charged with

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<v Speaker 2>crimes like this in the breathless way the media does

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<v Speaker 2>when they have not been convicted, have not had their

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<v Speaker 2>day in court, because they're still legally innocent. But this

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<v Speaker 2>guy hasn't even been charged with shit, you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>doing this at all when someone's just a suspect like

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<v Speaker 2>that is so that is so that such fucking malpractice. Yeah, agreed,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just really vile. On October twenty seventh, prosecutors send

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<v Speaker 2>a letter to Jeles lawyer, not to Jewel, not to

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<v Speaker 2>the public. They just send his lawyer your letter saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not a suspect anymore. By the way, we're done.

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<v Speaker 3>No, sorry, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI makes eventually they give kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>half hearted apology. They admit some wrongdoing, right, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't they take no effort to be like, again, the

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<v Speaker 2>responsible thing to do would be like oh shit, we

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<v Speaker 2>really got it. We got to do a full court

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<v Speaker 2>media press so let people know this guy is not suspected.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just like fuck itt, they'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like mean girls in high school. Yeah, terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Jewel does sue them, He wins, sues the Justice Department,

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<v Speaker 2>He wins a bunch of money. He sues several papers,

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<v Speaker 2>including the AJAC, and he settles out of court. He

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<v Speaker 2>does well off of this, right like he does like

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he lives out his life and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna talk about the rest of his life because

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<v Speaker 2>the man deserves fucking privacy after that. But he, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he does get some degree of vengeance for what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, man, you have the trauma of of this,

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<v Speaker 2>like because who can imagine unless you have been unless

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<v Speaker 2>the entire country has suspected you of being a mass

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<v Speaker 2>murdering terrorist for three or four months, Like, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>know what that's like, you know what kind of damage

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<v Speaker 2>that does do?

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then Clint Eastwood made that fucking movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yes, Clint Eastwood, so fairly recently Clint Eastwood

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<v Speaker 2>made a movie about.

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<v Speaker 3>This literally called Richard Jewel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's called Richard Jewel. Clint makes a movie in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen about this whole case, right, because, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>conservatives are like this story because they hate the media,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a great example of the media being

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<v Speaker 2>just as bad as they like to act, like it

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<v Speaker 2>always is.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't go to the media, didn't go after Jewel

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<v Speaker 2>because he was a conservative. They went after Jewel because

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI sent them on his case. And yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>were feckless and only cared about money. But Clint's what's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting to me about Clint's movie is that it

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<v Speaker 2>does kind of the same thing to one of the

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<v Speaker 2>journalists at the Atlanta Journal Constitution that they had done

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<v Speaker 2>to Richard Jewel, which is like defame him or her.

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<v Speaker 2>So the author of the first article that listed him

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<v Speaker 2>as the suspect was written by Kathy Scruggs. She's the

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<v Speaker 2>reporter who did this, and as far as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>she just got it or she and the I think

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<v Speaker 2>she worked with a colleague, got like a tip that

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<v Speaker 2>probably traced back to an FBI person who had been

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<v Speaker 2>directed by Free to put the tip out there. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably what happened. In the film. Kathy Scruggs is

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<v Speaker 2>shown as going up to an FBI agent at a

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<v Speaker 2>bar a couple of days after the bombing and saying,

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<v Speaker 2>give me something I can print. She's played by Olivia Wilde.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, the FBI agent played by John Ham

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<v Speaker 2>says basically, I'll give you the name if you fuck me,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, she starts like touching him, and he

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<v Speaker 2>says Richard Jewel, right, and then they go fuck right.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically it shows Kathy Scruggs, a real woman has

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<v Speaker 2>played by Olivia Wilde, sleeping with a source in order

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<v Speaker 2>to get Richard Jewele's name, which is not what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's ever alleged that being what happened. That was

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<v Speaker 2>invented by our old friend Clint Eastwood or whoever wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking movie, just because the the story didn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>bad enough as it was, and because I guess if

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about what actually happened, then you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be deeply critical about the FBI because this is ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>their fault as much as anything else, and fundamentally the

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<v Speaker 2>profit motive in journalism, right, Like, both of those things

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<v Speaker 2>are the bastards here. But Clint's not interested in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's make it a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a woman. It's this woman who couldn't keep

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<v Speaker 2>it in her parts.

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<v Speaker 3>Slutty journalists ruining the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Classic bloody journalists sleeping with the FBI to get a name.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh s, floody journalists my favorite kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyway, that's the first part of these this story.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we'll be talking about Steve Hatville and the

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<v Speaker 2>anthrax attacks next episode. But yeah, how are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 2>You're happy?

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<v Speaker 3>I've totally forgot about this Steve guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I know. It's wild. We haven't even

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<v Speaker 2>gotten to him yet. But this story is like the precursor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, oh yes, go out kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right, I feel like we just went on

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<v Speaker 4>a wild ride.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready for the next part.

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<v Speaker 2>Who excellent, Well, we'll get to that on Thursday.

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