Speaker 1: What is up, Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Travis Wingfield and on today's show,
Speaker 1: Torrents week rolls on. As we move inside in one
Speaker 1: of my favorite positions in this class, both draft and
Speaker 1: free agency.
Speaker 2: Will break down those spots.
Speaker 1: We'll take a look at the Dolphins incumbents across the
Speaker 1: interior offensive line, the philosophy, the scheme, a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of talk about the guard and center positions. We'll also
Speaker 1: get into the first edition of the Wavish Trinkfield mock
Speaker 1: Draft Machine Simulator four thousand. Here on this long edition
Speaker 1: of the Draft Time Podcast from the Baptist Health Studios
Speaker 1: inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the afforementioned
Speaker 1: Draft Time Podcast Mae Jaffe Before we start here on
Speaker 1: the interior offensive line. This is gonna be like almost
Speaker 1: an hour long episode, so just strap in with me
Speaker 1: real quick. Maybe a two day podcast for you. The
Speaker 1: bane of the existence of Dolphin's Twitter right, Dolphins social media.
Speaker 1: I just want to make a few things clear off
Speaker 1: the top. The number one thing is the approach last year.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna like this, but it made perfect sense.
Speaker 1: I know that my explanation of why fell on deaf
Speaker 1: ears and gets passed along by the let's call it
Speaker 1: the frat community of Dolphins twitter of They ignored the
Speaker 1: offensive line for the last x amount of years despite
Speaker 1: the fact that they invested top of the market money
Speaker 1: at left tackle, two times at center. They have a
Speaker 1: first rounder at right tackle, had a top forty pick
Speaker 1: at right guard that went on to sign a one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contract, and then a bust of a
Speaker 1: second round draft pick as a big part of all
Speaker 1: of that, whatever, there was a big investment on the
Speaker 1: offensive line over the last five six years. You can't
Speaker 1: understand what you don't understand, right, Dunning Krueger effect. The
Speaker 1: biggest issue facing the country and the world right now,
Speaker 1: with the second biggest thing behind our current political landscape
Speaker 1: is the Dolphins offensive line. Apparently so the continuity approach, well,
Speaker 1: it blew up, and it began in the summer when
Speaker 1: Isaiah Winn had a set back in his injury rehab
Speaker 1: that put them behind the eight ball from jump. Liam
Speaker 1: never took the jump, Rob Jones's up and down play continued,
Speaker 1: and Jack driscoll couldn't stick a signing that quite frankly,
Speaker 1: I never quite understood on tape in Philadelphia. But here's
Speaker 1: where I think the plot got lost. The continuity. I
Speaker 1: would get it more if we're talking about Austin Jackson
Speaker 1: types plus athletes that are born to thrive in the scheme.
Speaker 1: But Liam and especially Rob Jones were always always round
Speaker 1: pegs and square holes. Like the Austin jump happened because
Speaker 1: he has the goods to play in this offense. Liam
Speaker 1: and Rob did not have those physical skill sets, and
Speaker 1: I was too bullish, as was the team, on their
Speaker 1: ability to do that. But here's where I always disagreed
Speaker 1: to agree with you guys. I should say that they
Speaker 1: should have had more run game diversity. There was way
Speaker 1: too much reliance on outside zone. There wasn't enough cound
Speaker 1: to take advantage of some of the overplay they got
Speaker 1: in those positions, and the more power and strength at
Speaker 1: those guard positions would have really coincided with more cutback
Speaker 1: runs that we just didn't get very many of those
Speaker 1: this year. And I put some of that on the
Speaker 1: running back. I put some of that on the idea
Speaker 1: of who to play at running back. I put some
Speaker 1: of that on the coaching, the scheme of the run game.
Speaker 1: I put some of that across the offensive line their
Speaker 1: share to go around. But the bottom line is your
Speaker 1: right guard and your left guard, we're not good enough
Speaker 1: last year. That's what we're trying to get out here, right.
Speaker 1: And I look back at this qrisc wheel quote from
Speaker 1: when he talked about this as in a season press conference,
Speaker 1: like he basically spelled out what I just spelled out
Speaker 1: for you. Now, he did excuse a lot of these
Speaker 1: shortcomings on the injuries that happened across the offensive line,
Speaker 1: which kind of happens every single year, as you'll learn
Speaker 1: here in the free agent portion of this podcast, because
Speaker 1: guess what, all the guys in the market for the
Speaker 1: most part, have something of a checkered injury history because
Speaker 1: guards get hurt more than any other position in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But he talked about the investment into you know, Isaiah
Speaker 1: Winn coming back, Rob Hunt and Solomon Kinley and Austin
Speaker 1: Jackson a few years ago Toronto, Armstead's investment in his
Speaker 1: return to the lineup like all the guys they looked at,
Speaker 1: and he blamed the injuries quite heavy handedly in that comment.
Speaker 1: But the bottom line was he said that it's time
Speaker 1: to kind of reinvest in the offensive line, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if that's draft picks, we'll see if that's free agents.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but you're gonna get an investment
Speaker 1: there because I think there's important context in his answer,
Speaker 1: because that was, you know, in many ways, the foundation
Speaker 1: of the rebuild was back in twenty twenty with those
Speaker 1: guys I just mentioned with Eric Flowers, with Ted Carriss.
Speaker 1: You know, in eighteenth and thirty eighth pick on Austin
Speaker 1: Jackson and Rob Hunt, and you know, they hit on
Speaker 1: Rob so much so that his price tag ballooned out
Speaker 1: of what really any contending team usually plays for a guard, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, players go to places like Carolina or Las
Speaker 1: Vegas because they don't have players worth signing what they're
Speaker 1: afforded on the salary cap. They don't have two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars worth of personnel on that roster,
Speaker 1: So why not give Rob Jones the biggest right guard
Speaker 1: contract in the history of the national football You basically
Speaker 1: have endless money to spend, and and that's the one
Speaker 1: way you can get good football players on your team
Speaker 1: outside of the draft is you're going to have to
Speaker 1: overpay because nobody wants to go play for a five
Speaker 1: win team unless you say, hey, big fella, here's one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars ten percent of your cap on a
Speaker 1: guard is not good business. It is when you don't
Speaker 1: have good players and you don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: that money. But when you have good players like the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins have, you can't do that. Okay, we all
Speaker 1: understand that. And then I think back to when coach
Speaker 1: was hired and he talked about the seven hundred play
Speaker 1: reel where you know, with tool where the ball was
Speaker 1: coming out super quick, playing with confidence and conviction in
Speaker 1: what he saw in process and making very accurate throws.
Speaker 1: And the decision was made that the emphasis should be
Speaker 1: on the difference makers on the perimeter.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But even still with that, you still got tron Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: Aaron Brewer, a second round pick on Patrick Paul. And
Speaker 1: I got back to this comment about the depth and
Speaker 1: the toll the injuries took, and I just think that
Speaker 1: has to be an emphasis to get yourself a solid
Speaker 1: pipeline of players to develop behind a seven or eight
Speaker 1: man crew of guys ready to roll.
Speaker 2: Right now, we.
Speaker 1: Will see, but that press conference, I think the context
Speaker 1: clues everything to me points to this being an area
Speaker 1: of focus. And you go into the month of February
Speaker 1: sitting here on the fifth of the month knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: barring what happens with Tarn and Kendall Lamb, but I
Speaker 1: think we know what's going to happen there. But if
Speaker 1: those guys both called a career, you know what you
Speaker 1: have your starters in terms of the left tackle, the center,
Speaker 1: and the right tackle, and all of the guards that
Speaker 1: started games last year are unrestricted free agents. You have
Speaker 1: Andrew Meyer in the program as a potential swing guy inside,
Speaker 1: like you need more there, so I have to imagine
Speaker 1: it'll be a mix of both veteran signings, maybe one
Speaker 1: incumbent like in Isaiah when would be my pick for
Speaker 1: that group. I just felt that was more important to
Speaker 1: lead into the show with here than anything else, rather
Speaker 1: than just jumping right in, because there has to be
Speaker 1: some explanation as to what happened, what went wrong, and
Speaker 1: what needs to be done to fix it. Let's go
Speaker 1: ahead now and pivot into next portion, Part two of
Speaker 1: part of three parts of Trenches Week.
Speaker 3: It's two wrenches, weak tackles, guards, centers, Offensive line play Touchweek.
Speaker 4: Te Gurtch week, True tweekweek and we kick it off
Speaker 4: with the incumbents.
Speaker 1: By and large, it was bad, but I still contend
Speaker 1: that it wasn't the disaster that everybody will make you
Speaker 1: believe that it was if you're chronically online, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are even a few daily drive timers out
Speaker 1: there that will disagree with me, and that's okay. I
Speaker 1: will be the first to admit again that Rob and
Speaker 1: Liam were never fits in the system and where round
Speaker 1: pegs were a whole type of guys. But the Niners
Speaker 1: have done this for years, and it's why I harp
Speaker 1: so much on not taking guys just in the first
Speaker 1: round to fix your issues, but keeping the pipeline fresh
Speaker 1: with later round picks, especially at that guard position. Tackles
Speaker 1: are typically round one players in this offense and in
Speaker 1: most offenses, because you can't usually get them in the
Speaker 1: second and third round. We'll see you about Patrick Paul, But
Speaker 1: for the most part, you get six or seven guys
Speaker 1: in the first round and then you don't really get
Speaker 1: many hits beyond that after that. But on the interior
Speaker 1: you can find more guys that fit in those positions,
Speaker 1: and you know all this historical precedents at this position. Here,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the system right from Mike Shanahan to
Speaker 1: Gary Kubiak. Like Kyle Shanahan took it even further that
Speaker 1: the league was not this, you know, split safety, soft
Speaker 1: front type of game. And that's why I think you've
Speaker 1: seen lafleur and McVeigh adjust effectively to go more to
Speaker 1: a power running game. And not just with the system,
Speaker 1: but look at the top three teams in the league
Speaker 1: and their investments at the running back spot, with the
Speaker 1: value of a three down guy that doesn't tip your
Speaker 1: hand to the offense like a Derreck Henry, like a
Speaker 1: Sakuon Barkley, like a Josh Jacobs, or even Kyron Williams
Speaker 1: with a Blake corm investment in Los Angeles, or Nick
Speaker 1: Chubb's effectiveness falling off when they adjusted their offense to
Speaker 1: fit to Sean Watson. My point is, you have these
Speaker 1: power backs that can contribute the passing game and take
Speaker 1: advantage of the space of NFL defenses are giving, and
Speaker 1: I think Miami needs something similar there and it starts
Speaker 1: with a type of player they'll go after here on
Speaker 1: the interior offensive line, Aaron Brewer was the best free
Speaker 1: agent signing of the organization over the last what decade
Speaker 1: or so. It's hard to say, because they did sign
Speaker 1: both Tron and Connor Williams, and we signed John new
Speaker 1: Smith and Jordan Brooks. Is pretty damn good. Klay Is Campbell.
Speaker 1: My point is that Brewer is perfectly cash for this offense.
Speaker 1: He never missed a snap. The quarterback loves him. He
Speaker 1: is a critical piece at a position that's asked to
Speaker 1: do more in this offense than just about any other
Speaker 1: across the league. The way he helps the guards with
Speaker 1: the combo blocks and the ability to shed blocks, and
Speaker 1: he's the focal point of this interior offensive line. And
Speaker 1: we'll see the approach. They can go the continuity route
Speaker 1: or they can go totally fresh at the guard position. Again,
Speaker 1: given the expiring contracts, it's a pretty cool blank canvas
Speaker 1: because you've essentially got your tackles and center with you know,
Speaker 1: second rounder at left tackle, first rounder at right tackle,
Speaker 1: seve a million dollars per year, free agent at center,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we'll see what happens at guard.
Speaker 1: So do they bring in a more amenable guard to
Speaker 1: excel with outside zone game but also have plenty of
Speaker 1: scheme variation ability. Do they continue the continuity route. I
Speaker 1: think this position will give you the context clues for
Speaker 1: how the offense wants to adjust and adapt in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five to hopefully come over overcome some of the
Speaker 1: woes they had this past season. Because what does coach
Speaker 1: McDaniel always say, The offense is a living, breathing thing.
Speaker 1: It's not something you just set and forget. So Brewer,
Speaker 1: I've made my feelings known on him. The way he
Speaker 1: can catch a block off the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: then go help the guard get attached, then detach and
Speaker 1: climb the second level and go beat a linebacker to
Speaker 1: a spot that he's giving a head start to. In
Speaker 1: terms of the leverage and the way he finishes those plays,
Speaker 1: I think that this is a cornerstone player, one of
Speaker 1: the best players in the conference at his position. His
Speaker 1: communication was great and will only get better. I mean,
Speaker 1: he missed more than half of camp with that hand
Speaker 1: injury actually was August seventh, so like basically a week
Speaker 1: of camp, and then he went into the season cold
Speaker 1: and was a sixteen or seventeen game player who was
Speaker 1: awesome cornerstone player. And when you look at the free
Speaker 1: agent additions of last offseason. Literally all the signings that
Speaker 1: were multi year players. They hit Aaron Brewer three year
Speaker 1: contract at center. We are set right there. Number seventy four.
Speaker 1: Liam Eichenberg. He's he's a good option if he's your
Speaker 1: eighth tryout player, eighth or ninth guy.
Speaker 2: He's tough as hell.
Speaker 1: He can play really all five positions, not well, but
Speaker 1: he can't play him he plays through the Nixon bruises.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find enough nice thing to say, but
Speaker 1: quite frankly, the tape has been like really bad, right.
Speaker 1: I can't comprehend all the chances he got as a
Speaker 1: starter in this system that prioritize foot speed, quickness technique, which,
Speaker 1: of course that last part was his game at Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: but it's rarely been good here. Most one on one
Speaker 1: matchups were too much for him. But I do still
Speaker 1: give him credit for the toughness he displayed at the
Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty three with that foot injury. He
Speaker 1: was dragging that thing around, playing through games. Now, if
Speaker 1: he's back, it's got to be minimum expectation that you're
Speaker 1: fighting for the eighth job. Under no circumstances should he
Speaker 1: be retained as an actual like playing option right off
Speaker 1: the top. Rob Jones consistently was not good enough right
Speaker 1: never quite understood jamming that square peg into the round hole.
Speaker 1: Same with Leam Eichenberg there. He was always a power
Speaker 1: player back to college. He just got beat too often
Speaker 1: when we needed to win an ISO block. He fell
Speaker 1: off way too many combo blocks. Doesn't have plus foot speed.
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty easy one to move off of.
Speaker 1: Isaiah win number seventy seven. I thought his play down
Speaker 1: the stretch was the best guard performance we got this
Speaker 1: year when he was plat tuning with Leam Eikenberg, had
Speaker 1: the big block on that eight chan clinching touchdown against
Speaker 1: the Niners. I thought the setback that cost him all
Speaker 1: of camp and most of the season was kind of
Speaker 1: the first domino that spelled depth issues across this offensive line.
Speaker 1: I thought he was really really good in the seven
Speaker 1: games he played back in twenty twenty three, and you
Speaker 1: could look at twenty twenty five, with a full offseason healthy,
Speaker 1: as potentially his best year as a pro, given the
Speaker 1: familiarity and clean bill of health. Really curious to see
Speaker 1: where they go with this one. His availability has been
Speaker 1: a bugaboo his entire career. He's missed eight six one
Speaker 1: eight eleven games in a six year career. If you
Speaker 1: bring him back, I think it's like a little bit
Speaker 1: above what I talked about with Liam, where you probably
Speaker 1: sign him and say like you're gonna be our seventh
Speaker 1: guy and when injuries happen, you can step in and
Speaker 1: hopefully be a good starter for us. Andrew Meyer number sixty,
Speaker 1: I thought in camp he earned the right to be
Speaker 1: the top option off the bench at center because well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't very good otherwise, and he played pretty good
Speaker 1: in that position in the preseason, just in terms of
Speaker 1: getting to all the difficult blocks that he got to
Speaker 1: that are asked of a center in this offense. He
Speaker 1: has the requisite ability to get to the second level
Speaker 1: and out in space. He's kind of one of my
Speaker 1: key guys to watch this camp for the point that
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to, every young player that you
Speaker 1: can develop and contribute, they can contribute to your way
Speaker 1: to your game is such a win to your program.
Speaker 1: And this guy has a chance to be one of
Speaker 1: those gems. What does this room need two new starters
Speaker 1: and I think win as competition to one of those spots. Possibly,
Speaker 1: I think you can go mid level free agent here
Speaker 1: and we'll see. I won't believe it until we see it,
Speaker 1: but I doubt they're going to go, you know, anything
Speaker 1: beyond the Aaron Brewer contract range, regardless of system. I
Speaker 1: think spending twenty million dollars in a guard is a
Speaker 1: horrendous resource allocation. So Tray Smith, whoever signs him, yes,
Speaker 1: you'll be better at that guard spot. But there's no
Speaker 1: chance he can play at a level that justify ten
Speaker 1: percent of your cap It just cannot happen. So I
Speaker 1: think they need versatile options that can do both outside
Speaker 1: zone but give you more power. We have to figure
Speaker 1: out our short yard situation, and you're not going to
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not going to deploy a quarterback
Speaker 1: option like a Tush push option or a Tyler Warren
Speaker 1: sneak and wildcat option, which of the twelve options you have,
Speaker 1: then we better get some guys that can push the
Speaker 1: point of attack. I think you sign one surefire starter.
Speaker 1: I think you draft a player in the middle round somewhere.
Speaker 1: You re sign Isaiah Winn, bring back some developmental guys
Speaker 1: deep on day three in the UDFA class. This gives
Speaker 1: you a decent crop and maintains keeping the position under
Speaker 1: like ten million for a whole season. Last year was
Speaker 1: under five, so it's not that big of a stretch.
Speaker 1: But I think there's options there to round this thing out,
Speaker 1: and we're going to get into this group here on
Speaker 1: the other side of the break of the guards that
Speaker 1: are going to be available or possibly available, and I
Speaker 1: might have under we sold some of their values and
Speaker 1: some discussions on social and across the podcast over the
Speaker 1: last few weeks, but there are a ton of guys
Speaker 1: at this position that are about to hit the market
Speaker 1: in a month, and I am very excited about it.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take a break. Didn't mention Chas
Speaker 1: and Hines' futures contract additional asset.
Speaker 2: We can keep him in mind there as well.
Speaker 1: But on the other side of the break, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about who can go after, who we can go after,
Speaker 1: who we can afford, how many guys who might be
Speaker 1: able to get. Plenty of content coming your way here
Speaker 1: on the other side. Drive Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,
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Speaker 1: the free agent class that you're going to take a
Speaker 1: look at this coming March across the interior offensive line
Speaker 1: position and it is positively loaded. Aaron Banks is where
Speaker 1: we start alphabetically, and your projection on this player is
Speaker 1: what he could be if you sign him. And I
Speaker 1: don't think the familiarity makes him an obvious fit. We
Speaker 1: saw the exact same thing with Lake and Tomlinson when
Speaker 1: he was available a couple of years back. I'm just
Speaker 1: not sure I see it. He is six foot five three,
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty pounds, and he does have plus
Speaker 1: movement skills. I mean, he's one of the very few
Speaker 1: second round guards to ever get drafted into the Shanahan
Speaker 1: offensive tree. But there's so many like what the f
Speaker 1: was that type of reps. He comes out of his
Speaker 1: stance high, his punch is not always delivered with an
Speaker 1: actual strike. It's like it's not purposeful all the time.
Speaker 1: I see his heels clicking and too close together in
Speaker 1: pass sets, and yet other times he gets spread out wide.
Speaker 2: And winds up losing his balance that way.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of a golfer who can't execute multiple
Speaker 1: swing thoughts at once, and you just get a lot
Speaker 1: of blow up holes because of that, it all breaks down.
Speaker 1: Not a big fan of his game. My conclusion is
Speaker 1: maybe he hits that development we've been talking about for
Speaker 1: these guys that show stuff out of college struggle right away,
Speaker 1: but I'm not seeing it from him. I think he'll
Speaker 1: get paid a lot more than what he's shown on
Speaker 1: tape through four years, and given this class, I would
Speaker 1: go in different direction.
Speaker 2: Makai Becton is next.
Speaker 1: Alphabetically, everything I thought about this player coming out of
Speaker 1: college came true this season. He's super light on his feet.
Speaker 1: He can get with in just a step or two
Speaker 1: because he is so long and cover so much ground
Speaker 1: to attack a second level SAM linebacker, stay in control,
Speaker 1: stay composed, and just go engulf them. Those feet benefit
Speaker 1: him in pass pro too, where he can just shut
Speaker 1: things down in a phone booth. That is the guard position.
Speaker 1: I think he was a little bit more exposed to tackle.
Speaker 1: I think he's a guard, which obviously was drafted too
Speaker 1: high to be a guard. But maybe you can sign
Speaker 1: him for a requisite contract because of that. When I
Speaker 1: watch his feet in the run game, his technique has
Speaker 1: really been sorted out. He doesn't fall step, he stays
Speaker 1: under his shoulder pads. He can struggle with his pad
Speaker 1: level because he's a freaking monster. Any guy that size will.
Speaker 1: But he's so powerful and athletic, and now he's had
Speaker 1: the coaching and maturation, I think he's gonna stand and
Speaker 1: be a lot more active in terms of pass pro
Speaker 1: finding work, keeping the feet going. Now, Jared Verse did
Speaker 1: send him to the shadow realm on a slant when
Speaker 1: he got himself stuck or too high out of a stance,
Speaker 1: and that can happen sometimes. My conclusion, I have to
Speaker 1: imagine the Eagles plan to bring him back. He was
Speaker 1: so good and he got a year of schooling from
Speaker 1: Jeff Stoutlin and he talked about him as a you know,
Speaker 1: the defining pivot point of his career. So maybe Beckton
Speaker 1: takes less to stay there. But they're also a wagon
Speaker 1: of a roster, So can they afford to go to
Speaker 1: his asking price? Will he ask for less than what
Speaker 1: he's gonna get on the market. If you want a
Speaker 1: right guard that can get to the second level on
Speaker 1: the perimeter of the running game, but also move the
Speaker 1: one shade on third and one off the football, there's
Speaker 1: no one better on the crop than Makai six foot seven,
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty pounds.
Speaker 2: He ran a five to one forty.
Speaker 1: Like this is the built in a lab type of
Speaker 1: player McDaniel joked about back in like twenty seventeen or
Speaker 1: whatever it was when he said, for you know, we
Speaker 1: want skys that's having feet tall, four hundred pounds ideally.
Speaker 1: Spot Rack thinks he's a ten million per year player
Speaker 1: and he's probably a better player than Rob Hunt at
Speaker 1: like half the cost. So sign me up if you
Speaker 1: can get that done. Austin Corbett's next, and in my
Speaker 1: worst DJ kalled voice, another one.
Speaker 2: He's got this fluid.
Speaker 1: Little skip step where he gets he's able to get
Speaker 1: over a gap and stay on balance and in control,
Speaker 1: then just goes to work with what might be the
Speaker 1: most brute physicality in this group. He's a maler and
Speaker 1: I think he has some stones to play in this
Speaker 1: system too. I mean he's played for the Rams for
Speaker 1: a handful of years, or he did, I should say,
Speaker 1: I do think he can get a little bit high
Speaker 1: out of his stands and can be overwhelmed by some
Speaker 1: of the bigger defensive tackles in this league. But going
Speaker 1: back to college, he's been inflicting punishment for his entire
Speaker 1: football life. He's ready made in terms of his angles
Speaker 1: of attack. He can reach a three technique and outside zone.
Speaker 1: I think he's another really intriguing option here at the
Speaker 1: guard position. He played for the Rams, so he has
Speaker 1: the systems down and again there's some really nice finishing
Speaker 1: hand usage, second level stuff. Just a loaded class. But
Speaker 1: like a lot of guards in this league, he has
Speaker 1: also battled injuries the last few years. That's going to
Speaker 1: be a commonplace across this group. Just like our next
Speaker 1: player who is pushing to be the top player on
Speaker 1: this chart for me, despite coming off an Achilles injury,
Speaker 1: James Daniels for the Steelers. I am so curious to
Speaker 1: see what his market is coming off that injury. But
Speaker 1: this guy just solves so many woe as you had
Speaker 1: last year in terms of your backup center spot that
Speaker 1: has always been one play away from turning nuclear right.
Speaker 1: He's super adept as a guard, which is what he'd
Speaker 1: be here. He schemed averse, incredibly athletic low center of
Speaker 1: gravity to get surge in the running game. He has
Speaker 1: so much pop with a good pad level and a
Speaker 1: refined hips knees, punch feet, hardwired to the hands, combination
Speaker 1: to handle one on one pass rushes and work in
Speaker 1: unison with smart athletic teammates, which as a right guard,
Speaker 1: he would have that in Brewer and Austin Jackson. My
Speaker 1: conclusion here is I still think he sees a good
Speaker 1: paycheck just because the value at a position where everybody
Speaker 1: in the league needs a James Daniels to spite the injury,
Speaker 1: all thirty two teams could use him, He's going to
Speaker 1: hit the market. I think they have two rookies that
Speaker 1: played well last year. They have Isaac Samalu who's owed
Speaker 1: eight million dollars this year and doesn't have any wickle
Speaker 1: room on that contract, so I believe they get out
Speaker 1: of the James Daniels business. I think that he you know,
Speaker 1: spotrack projects at eight million apy I would do that
Speaker 1: today despite the knee injury.
Speaker 2: Next guy will freeze.
Speaker 1: This guy man top notch finisher, physical, expends, maximum effort.
Speaker 1: He's a former seventh round draft pick, and he plays
Speaker 1: like it. I don't think that goes away because that's
Speaker 1: just who he is, in my opinion, exceptional leg drive.
Speaker 1: If you want to improve your short yard opportunities, here,
Speaker 1: this guy's another fit for you. His hand usage has
Speaker 1: just gotten better every year, and he was a true
Speaker 1: stud for them at right guard each of the last
Speaker 1: two years. He was a non starter his first two years.
Speaker 2: His ability to.
Speaker 1: Strike and latch and then contort his body, hip toss,
Speaker 1: throw his big butt into the gap and seal that
Speaker 1: thing off. It all stands out on tape. He is
Speaker 1: exceptional in past sets where he settles in and then
Speaker 1: can kind of generate the force from the base up
Speaker 1: for the initial surge. It's all connected, it's all wired together.
Speaker 1: It's really good technique and fundamentals. Then he has a
Speaker 1: really strong redirect to get back into shape for their
Speaker 1: secondary move. He's a mean, mean finisher too. My conclusion here,
Speaker 1: I think I figured out what my priority is here
Speaker 1: with this player and the next player. I think the
Speaker 1: market projections on Freeze is maybe a little bit too low.
Speaker 1: I think he's probably closer to Rob Hunt than he
Speaker 1: is to a ten million dollars per year player. We'll
Speaker 1: see what he gets. He's a weapon and pass pro
Speaker 1: in terms of helping against four man rushes when he has,
Speaker 1: you know, no declared rusher in his gap. He's a stud.
Speaker 1: I loved his tape. I love Will Hernantez's tape too.
Speaker 1: If we sign him, I'm going to dance, not just
Speaker 1: because I think he's a really good player. I think
Speaker 1: he is a good player, but it signals a shift
Speaker 1: in the business of operation. It signals the usage of
Speaker 1: more power, more inside zone, more of a wide menu
Speaker 1: in the running game, because you watch the way he
Speaker 1: gets out of a stance, that first step. Compared to
Speaker 1: Beckton or Daniels, it's not the same. It's a sun
Speaker 1: dial comparatively in terms of the speed, but it's good
Speaker 1: enough to keep your outside zone package. In hell, it's
Speaker 1: better than the last two guys we had last year.
Speaker 1: And he's a real ass kicker in tight quarters. He
Speaker 1: makes an impact on combo blocks, he finishes through the
Speaker 1: echo of the whistle, and man, watch the way defenders
Speaker 1: react to him.
Speaker 2: They hate him.
Speaker 1: He would bring a mentality I think we've missed here,
Speaker 1: a Richie incognito of sorts, minus all the abuse and
Speaker 1: bad character. He's so strong and can really hold a
Speaker 1: combo at the point of attack, to attach, disengage, climb
Speaker 1: to the second level, and you see that in pass
Speaker 1: pro as well. He has plenty of sand in his
Speaker 1: pants to drop into his past sets. This might be
Speaker 1: the guy man tough scheme. Diverse enough pretty reliable. Had
Speaker 1: an injury last year, but had been iron man good
Speaker 1: prior to that. The guy stays on blocks, and man,
Speaker 1: we have backs that can make that a very dangerous
Speaker 1: run game. If you can just stay on blocks, surge,
Speaker 1: finishing good enough, and outside zone and pass pro. You
Speaker 1: put him in in a pen, if you at right guard,
Speaker 1: if you sign him tomorrow. Tevin Jenkins real talk. I
Speaker 1: have to walk back my take on Jenkins. He's a
Speaker 1: ball of the same issues we've had here. He's always hurt.
Speaker 1: His tape has completely hit or miss. Yes, there are
Speaker 1: some big highlights, but his batting outage is way too
Speaker 1: low to be counted upon. And the misses at that
Speaker 1: spot with the B line to your quarterback and injury
Speaker 1: prone quarterback at that is not something I'm willing to
Speaker 1: dish out good money for fun tools and a fit
Speaker 1: in an ideal world. If he gets all this stuff
Speaker 1: together with a tape and lack of availability, that's just
Speaker 1: too jarring. I would not offer him a contract. Last
Speaker 1: alphabetically here is Patrick McCarry. I am so curious where
Speaker 1: he winds up and how much he goes for because
Speaker 1: he's been in the league for four years or rather
Speaker 1: more than that. I think it's six years at this
Speaker 1: point and has perfected his craft and technique. His hand
Speaker 1: placement is exceptional, never a wasted step. He bends at
Speaker 1: the knees with ease, not like he's lifting baxas and everything.
Speaker 1: He plays with enough of a nasty finisher to be
Speaker 1: a starter. But I also wonder if he's signed as
Speaker 1: a sixth man, like that's what he's always been. The
Speaker 1: conclusion here, he's He's played every single position on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. He's been the extra offensive lineman off the bench.
Speaker 1: He filled an admirably at left tackle for Ronnie Stanley
Speaker 1: over many injuries that he suffered. I think somebody pays
Speaker 1: him to be a starter, but I kind of want
Speaker 1: to sign like him and Freeze and Hernandez and just
Speaker 1: be done on the offensive line. My interior rankings are
Speaker 1: my top three could be any any ordery you want.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put Will Freeze at the top.
Speaker 1: I think he's just on top of the other guys
Speaker 1: because of the technique and fundamentals and availability. I'll go
Speaker 1: Mackai Beckton second, James Daniels third, Austin Corbett fit fourth,
Speaker 1: and then will Hernandez fifth, a bit of a line
Speaker 1: there of demarcation, not much of one, and then Patrick
Speaker 1: McCarry and then a huge line of demarcation with Tevin
Speaker 1: Jenkins and Aaron Banks. I did not work up Josh
Speaker 1: Myers or Bradley Boseman because I'm not moving Brewer to guard.
Speaker 1: I also did not work up Nate Herbig. I think
Speaker 1: the Steelers bring him back. And see, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think six of these guys are pretty damn good players,
Speaker 1: and there's enough there for a shot for number seven
Speaker 1: and eight if you want to go depth or possibly
Speaker 1: compete against a rookie. I am really really curious to
Speaker 1: see how this market shakes out. Man, If you think
Speaker 1: about like a budget of like ten or twelve million
Speaker 1: dollars at the spot, would you rather get like McCarry
Speaker 1: or rather McKai Beckton, I should say, or James Daniels
Speaker 1: or sign like both of Freeze and Hernandez if you
Speaker 1: can do it. I kind of want to go the
Speaker 1: deeper route because if you get a certain level of
Speaker 1: baseline play at this position, it's good enough and you
Speaker 1: can really excel in that way, so be cost efficient,
Speaker 1: but also like get good players too, So there's two
Speaker 1: ways to do this thing.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a break. Come back on
Speaker 2: the other side.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about some mock drafts and we'll
Speaker 1: get right back into the draft class at the guard position.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 1: Next Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to
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Speaker 5: It's time for another edition of the Lavish twin Field
Speaker 5: Mock Draft Generator of four thousand, casculating data.
Speaker 1: If it is not obvious by now, we are trying
Speaker 1: to not take ourselves too seriously on the show. I
Speaker 1: get the sense that this is a lot of information
Speaker 1: and players you haven't heard a lot about on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I want to break it up with stuff like that,
Speaker 1: just to kind of keep everybody engaged. And that was
Speaker 1: about as silly as I possibly can go. I thought
Speaker 1: the fart noise tied the whole thing together. But I
Speaker 1: did want to talk about the mock Draft Generator of
Speaker 1: four thousand, the Wavish Stringfield edition, and just gonna do
Speaker 1: this every once every couple of weeks around the show
Speaker 1: and just kind of give you some different options of
Speaker 1: what it might look like, because again, this draft class
Speaker 1: is deeper at most spots than it is top heavy
Speaker 1: and there's so many ways it could go. So I
Speaker 1: have three mock drafts I put together here to round
Speaker 1: out some possible needs, and we'll get back into the
Speaker 1: guard class here in just one second, and it goes
Speaker 1: like this. The first one, Tyler Warren the Penn State
Speaker 1: tight end, Donovan Jackson the Ohio State guard tackle, Lathan
Speaker 1: Ransom from Ohio State the safety my third round, and
Speaker 1: then I have Quinn Shawn Judkins and Kyle Williams, the
Speaker 1: running back from Ohiose State and wide receiver from Washington
Speaker 1: State Go Koog's in the fourth round. So that's my
Speaker 1: white tight end, my starting guard, my starting safety, a
Speaker 1: good running back compliment, and a receiver that I think
Speaker 1: can play right away as well. My next mock draft
Speaker 1: was Josh Shimmons, the tackle from Ohio State, who's the
Speaker 1: best tackle in the class to me coming off an acltair.
Speaker 1: Mason Taylor in the second, Jack Betch in the third round,
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips the defensive tackle, and Jackson Slater, the guard
Speaker 1: from Sacramento who looks like a stud. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: him here in just a second. In the fourth round.
Speaker 1: So I have my tackle and guards starters right there,
Speaker 1: two rookies, which is gonna maybe be tough, but Slader
Speaker 1: probably competes with the free agent as well. My starting
Speaker 1: tight end Taylor. I think that Betch could be a
Speaker 1: starting receiver right away, and Jordan Phillips can be like
Speaker 1: a third rotational option on your defensive tackle position. My
Speaker 1: next one takes a d tackle first. Kenneth Grant. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about him on Friday. What a monster he is.
Speaker 1: Nick Amana Worry from South Carolina State, the safety that
Speaker 1: looks like Derwin James Part two, Jalen Rivers, the guard
Speaker 1: from Miami in the third round, and then in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, tight end Jackson Hawes, and linebacker Jeffrey Bossa
Speaker 1: from Oregon. That's kind of like different ways of rounding
Speaker 1: out some of the needs you have with good football players.
Speaker 1: And if you notice, all these guys are like captain material, tough,
Speaker 1: smart football players that have pretty good medical histories, and
Speaker 1: I think all fit the bill for what this team needs.
Speaker 1: That's the first edition of the Wavisttringfield Mock Draft Generator
Speaker 1: four thousand. Here we'll do plenty of more of those.
Speaker 1: There are so many options. We'll cover all the permiations
Speaker 1: here as we go along. Let's go ahead and go
Speaker 1: right back. You know what time it is?
Speaker 2: In two?
Speaker 3: It's too wrenches, weak tuckles, guards, centers, offensive line play
Speaker 3: to tweek, gotch week for.
Speaker 1: A tweak.
Speaker 2: Tweek.
Speaker 1: It is entirely possible to have lost the thread on
Speaker 1: what the show is. But hey, let's talk some more football.
Speaker 1: Tyler Booker from Alabama. You heard Kyle talk about him
Speaker 1: yesterday on the show or Monday. Man, you want to
Speaker 1: change the temperament of your football team, you want to
Speaker 1: be a power zone combo attack, you get yourself five
Speaker 1: Tyler Bookers six foot five.
Speaker 2: Three hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 1: He moves like he's six foot two, three hundred natural
Speaker 1: knee bend that allows him to engulf rushers without much movement.
Speaker 1: He'll keep your pocket clean and knock heads off in
Speaker 1: the off the football. In the running game, he can
Speaker 1: basically set where he just starts by widening his base
Speaker 1: and then he creates a tough angle for rushers from
Speaker 1: either side. And if you rush him down the middle,
Speaker 1: you will go nowhere fast unless maybe you're Zach Seeler
Speaker 1: or someone that strong. But I think he's strong enough
Speaker 1: to contend with that, and the feat just keep going.
Speaker 1: I think the world of him. That knee bend is
Speaker 1: consistent across all other parts. He can extend his hips
Speaker 1: to displace guys at the point of attack. He plays
Speaker 1: with exceptional pad level and really explodes excuse me out
Speaker 1: of his stance opposed to popping up. He's one of
Speaker 1: the best guard prospects I think we've had in a while.
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty five range in the first round is
Speaker 1: where I think about his name coming off the board.
Speaker 1: Gray's Abel from North Dakota State made more money at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl than anybody else. I know Colorado wasn't
Speaker 1: a beacon of trench play, but go back and watch
Speaker 1: him in that opener when they went totoe with a
Speaker 1: big ten team on the road, he was mauling guys,
Speaker 1: creating lanes for the bison to trample through. I've not
Speaker 1: seen a prospect in this class with the better understanding
Speaker 1: of the relationship of body parts, how one part moves
Speaker 1: and it affects the different part of your body and
Speaker 1: make that next move possible Again. Golfers out there, you
Speaker 1: know that when you're on a hill, you want to
Speaker 1: adjust your plane of your shoulders to match the angle
Speaker 1: of the hill. He can sink on one side and
Speaker 1: adjust that plane as he needs to to redirect and
Speaker 1: keep himself technically aligned at all times. He is a
Speaker 1: smooth mover. He's run every scheme you can think of.
Speaker 1: Because NDSU has a seventy to thirty run pass split,
Speaker 1: he can scoop pinpole, duo, catch and climb.
Speaker 2: He is so damn smart.
Speaker 1: He knows the front and what he wants to accomplish
Speaker 1: against that front, and then from there he can get
Speaker 1: to his landmarks with anticipation and brute physicality. He sinks
Speaker 1: into his anchor and pass pro consistently fights until his
Speaker 1: hand placement is pristine. He played an FCS National Championship
Speaker 1: game two weeks prior to the Senior Bowl, then goes
Speaker 1: out there and competes against the nation's best and barely
Speaker 1: lost a rep. If there wasn't a unicorn in front
Speaker 1: of him. He is interior o line one. I bet
Speaker 1: he goes in the back of round one like Graham
Speaker 1: Barton did. I think he is a can't miss prospect.
Speaker 1: I project him the top forty, but I think he
Speaker 1: goes in the first round. Marcus Bo from Purdue. I
Speaker 1: think Bo could go in the first round, especially to
Speaker 1: a team and a Shanahan Tree. I just like the
Speaker 1: other parts of this class even more. I think he's
Speaker 1: a tackle in some places, guard in some but man,
Speaker 1: his pad level, kickslide range, ability to get out in space,
Speaker 1: it all pops off. I think he's a little bit
Speaker 1: slippery on that back foot when it comes time to anchor,
Speaker 1: but he's such a damn technician. He's got bluffs for
Speaker 1: all the moves that I've not really seen on tape
Speaker 1: this year, like bluff jump set, bluff snatch trap. He
Speaker 1: has guys heads spinning out there, and he messes with
Speaker 1: their pass rush plans. The more I watch of him,
Speaker 1: the more I think I made a mistake moving him
Speaker 1: inside to this episode. I think I might be too
Speaker 1: low on him. I'm not gonna go back and put
Speaker 1: the toothpaste back in the two, but he might be
Speaker 1: a Round one tackle and I might have gotten this
Speaker 1: one wrong. Number four Donovan Jackson, Ohio State. This is
Speaker 1: always fluid. I'm always like learning more and changing my
Speaker 1: thoughts in terms of what I see with more information.
Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson, Ohio State. Him and Josh Simmons had the
Speaker 1: best chemistry I've maybe ever seen a left tackle left
Speaker 1: guard combo in college football. Length, feel for space, control
Speaker 1: of his climb to the second level, all tracks for
Speaker 1: a high level, start hard at the next level, and
Speaker 1: you play damn well for the national champions. I think
Speaker 1: you draft this guy and he's your sixth man at
Speaker 1: four spots right away, and they're supreme value in that
Speaker 1: because he's gonna play because there's always injuries. Most of all,
Speaker 1: I just like the feel of when he's sifting for
Speaker 1: landmarks and responsibilities and outside his own runs. Go watch
Speaker 1: all the Trayvon Henderson or Quinn Shawn Judkins big runs
Speaker 1: and chances are a big seventy six makes a key
Speaker 1: block at the point of attack.
Speaker 2: He can play a little bit high in pass pro.
Speaker 1: I think he's a bit inconsistent in his hand placement,
Speaker 1: but I'm confident he's cut from the cloth to really
Speaker 1: develop those traits. The other stuff is so good that
Speaker 1: you're willing to draft him a little bit higher and
Speaker 1: work with him, kind of like Patrick Paul, who we
Speaker 1: just saw get better with every single rep that he took.
Speaker 1: He has the length and strength man thirty four inch arms,
Speaker 1: powerful upper body. I think he's a second round pick
Speaker 1: all day long. Number five at the guard positions, Jalen
Speaker 1: Rivers from Miami. I'm having a hard time placing Jalen.
Speaker 1: I like him inside a guard more than tackle. I
Speaker 1: think his sets and punch really translate in there, and
Speaker 1: the length he has allows him to cut things off
Speaker 1: and could make things even easier on a smallish center
Speaker 1: like Aaron Brewer who doesn't really need the help. But
Speaker 1: there's value there in how his length creates better connectivity inside.
Speaker 1: If you take Rivers, I think it indicates you intend
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more diverse in your scheme
Speaker 1: because this is more of a bully in small spaces.
Speaker 1: There's some sheer power, move you against your will type
Speaker 1: of reps, and this guy finishes man. If you want
Speaker 1: to move a one technique in short yardage like I
Speaker 1: talked about in free agency, this is your guy. He
Speaker 1: loves to get his arms on guys in lock out.
Speaker 1: I think some of the better NFL hand usage rushers
Speaker 1: can give him issues by swiping and getting him a
Speaker 1: bit bent over his skis. But again I go back
Speaker 1: to Patrick Paul. He can lose a rep, but because
Speaker 1: of the size and length and strength combo, he can
Speaker 1: still win it, and then from there you clean things up.
Speaker 1: You could be looking at an elite player when it
Speaker 1: all comes together in two or three years. I project
Speaker 1: him on Day two. Number six is Jackson Slater from
Speaker 1: Sacramento State. That's right, your boy got eyes in the
Speaker 1: Sack State film. I think when Slater gets into the
Speaker 1: NFL program and has all day to eat and lift weights,
Speaker 1: he's going to become a plus starter. His technique is fantastic.
Speaker 1: He's got all kinds of sets and different draws, you know,
Speaker 1: punches that he can throw to pull out rushers, moves
Speaker 1: ahead of time and attack when they're off balanced. I
Speaker 1: think he loses a little bit of ground on power
Speaker 1: and could stand to have a little more drive to
Speaker 1: his head up blocks, but he really makes up for
Speaker 1: it with smarts and grip strength where he can really
Speaker 1: attack attached to a block. He's got some damn good
Speaker 1: center tape too. I think he's an immediate six man
Speaker 1: and someone started by twenty twenty six. Late day pick
Speaker 1: from late Day two pick for me Tate Ratledge from Georgia.
Speaker 1: There's some bully ball on tape. One of the best
Speaker 1: processors I've watched in this draft class. He was so
Speaker 1: smooth passing off games and feeling like, you know, like
Speaker 1: when you need to hit that w drill and the
Speaker 1: combine stick, you're foot in the ground, get back to
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. He smoothed that way, had some really
Speaker 1: good blocks off the edge, and they pulled him playside.
Speaker 1: But I think his pad level and coordination and flexibility
Speaker 1: are all subpar, and that's a tough pill swallow in
Speaker 1: this offense. I'm pretty out on him and our next
Speaker 1: guy here on this list. As far as Miami Dolphins goes,
Speaker 1: I do think he'll be a late day two pick.
Speaker 1: And that's why att Milum here from West Virginia. There's
Speaker 1: a toughnesssh element to his game. He's versatile, and I
Speaker 1: think I attract teams at the top of Day three.
Speaker 1: I am just not one of those teams. I see
Speaker 1: dead feet upon contact. I see a wastebender where he
Speaker 1: gets way out over the top and can lose reps
Speaker 1: easily that way. I see him falling off blocks. He
Speaker 1: reminds me of Liam Eikenberg. You're gonna see clips of
Speaker 1: him bullying guys. But I think this is a classic
Speaker 1: great college offensive lineman, not technically refined enough to be
Speaker 1: good at the next level, and I don't think he
Speaker 1: has the traits to help him get by while he learns. Again,
Speaker 1: I think he's this year's Liam Miikeenberg. Digging out the
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois Illinois Wide nine is not the same as
Speaker 1: digging out Miles Garrett. On the front side. He's a
Speaker 1: Day three pick for me all day long, and probably
Speaker 1: closer to the back end of that.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: That's the Guards, the mock draft generator, whatever the hell
Speaker 1: I called it. And on Friday, we're going to the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle position, talk about the free agent class, draft class,
Speaker 1: our own guys, talk about the Super Bowl, one game left,
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