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Speaker 3: We're back our number two here on the Hurd. It's

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Speaker 3: me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. He's enjoying an

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Speaker 3: extended July fourth holiday. Boy, heck, guys living the dream baby.

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Speaker 3: So it's Nan Alex Curry in the Salt Mines. Alex,

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Speaker 3: how we doing holding up up? By the way, I

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Speaker 3: was your July fourth Any firework.

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Speaker 2: Activity or num one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I did the standard like I think

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Speaker 4: I talked about it when we were on the show

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Speaker 4: last week. The Strand is just like immaculate vibes in

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Speaker 4: hermos in Manhattan, and I have a couple of friends

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Speaker 4: with strandhouse, so just yeah, just.

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Speaker 5: Just hanging out.

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Speaker 4: Matt Staff just did the walk down the Strand like

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Speaker 4: seeing seeing everybody else rage and have a good time

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Speaker 4: and just waving from afar because I've officially been pregnant

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Speaker 4: for every holiday since Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's been great.

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Speaker 2: All right, well that's exciting. You know, you got you've

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Speaker 2: got a big summer ahead, big summer.

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Speaker 6: We're in the red zone. We're feeling good, we're feeling happy.

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Speaker 6: Just hopefully she cooks for another week too.

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Speaker 3: All right, we got Albert Breer coming up in five minutes.

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Speaker 3: He's jet setting it. Well, all these guys taking summer vacations.

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Speaker 3: We're just work. We grind, all right, let me let

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Speaker 3: me quickly go. So a lot of NBA free agency

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Speaker 3: has been decided.

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Speaker 2: Not everything. Bradley Biel could still move. You've got big

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Speaker 2: got Jonathan Kuminga.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's adjusting the odds of anybody,

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Speaker 3: but we decided to come up with a Jmax six

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Speaker 3: pack as of now, the six pack of NBA teams

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Speaker 3: that can win the championship next year. Now, as I

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Speaker 3: was reminded this morning, if we had done this last

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Speaker 3: year at this time, it would have been Boston Celtics

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Speaker 3: won through six. Everybody thought they were going to repeat.

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Speaker 3: They had a loaded team. They just won the chip.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they were absolutely stacked and didn't get out

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Speaker 3: of the second round, So keep that in mind. No

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Speaker 3: defending champ has gotten out of the second round since

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Speaker 3: the Kad Curry Warriors. Let's have the six pack. Let's

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Speaker 3: get started with. I think we're starting with the Cleveland

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Speaker 3: Cavaliers in the East, mostly because they retain almost everyone

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Speaker 3: on their team. They did lose tied Jerome rotational guy

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Speaker 3: had a good season. But when you keep the core

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Speaker 3: Garland coming off the tow injury in the playoffs, Moblei

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Speaker 3: Allen Mitchell is a good team. DeAndre Hunters now had

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Speaker 3: we'll have a full season.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I know Cleveland, it's tough to think of them winning

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Speaker 3: a chip without Lebron, but guys, the pieces are there

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Speaker 2: I think the Cleveland Cavaliers are one or two in

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the next team and that is the

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Speaker 3: New York Knickerbockers.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Do they still call them the Knickerbockers either way. So,

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Speaker 3: last the Knicks added two new starters in Towns and Bridges.

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Speaker 3: Obviously very difficult to dominate right out of the gate

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Speaker 3: with two new starters. Well, now this year the Knicks

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Speaker 3: I will have a new head coach, but it looks

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Speaker 2: I you know, listen, Mike Brown, I like.

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Speaker 3: Him if he plays his cards right and uses more

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Speaker 3: don't see why this isn't a fifty five to six

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Speaker 3: two in the East, maybe number one, and the garden

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Speaker 2: Sick in the postseason.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the West because nobody else

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Speaker 2: Gonna go Lakers. I know, I know, Jay Mack, You're crazy.

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Speaker 2: Were doing well.

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Speaker 3: Let's see if they add Bradley Bield there for sure

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Speaker 3: out of respect to I don't know, two of the

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Speaker 2: Oh, Jay, what happened against Minnesota? Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: They had like twenty games together to work out the Kings.

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Speaker 2: They had no sense.

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Speaker 3: Can we just take a deep breath and say, like

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Speaker 3: they lost to the Timberwolves and nobody.

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Speaker 2: Really saw it coming. They're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 3: The Lakers are certainly one of the six best teams

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Speaker 3: offseason they've had. They're putting all their chips in for now.

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Speaker 3: Cam Johnson for Michael Porter Jr. Feels like a slight upgrade,

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Speaker 3: not a huge one because MPJ is a much better scorer,

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Speaker 3: Bruce Brown coming back getting off Russell Westbrook.

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Speaker 2: I think they added Tim.

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Speaker 3: Hardaway to Yeah, Tim Hardaway, They've done.

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Speaker 2: A good job.

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Speaker 3: And remember Aaron Gordon was hurt in Game seven with

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Speaker 3: the ankle, or maybe they beat OKC. Next up the

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Speaker 3: Houston Rockets. I think they've won the offseason more than anybody.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they added Kevin Durant. Look at this, They

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Speaker 3: added Climp Capella, and they added Dorian Finney Smith. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: the Rockets got better than anybody and they lost.

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Speaker 2: It's like nothing. Dylan Brooks and Jalen Green and a

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Speaker 3: I think you could look for guys like Reid Shepherd

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Speaker 3: at all if shen Goon is an All Star once again.

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Speaker 3: Jabari Smith less, pressure Aman Thompson rising star.

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Speaker 2: Houston's good. I think the team to beat in the

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Speaker 2: West Houston Rockets in the Jmax six pack. And I

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Speaker 2: know you're waiting on one last.

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Speaker 3: Team, Okac Thunder.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: I had for a moment Orlando in this spot over OKC. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's real. I could see Alex looking at me like Jmack,

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Speaker 3: what's wrong with you. I'm just gonna remind you, guys.

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Speaker 3: SGA got paid, Chad Holbern got paid. It's a different

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Speaker 3: mentality and mindset among the players, and history bears this out.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't won the chip, haven't gotten paid. Its front,

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Speaker 3: front of office. That's a top priority. That's everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, now they got the title.

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Speaker 3: SGA's got all the accolades, he's got all the money

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Speaker 3: that Hunger desires.

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Speaker 2: Not quite there. Yes, they're young.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're probably gonna win fifty to sixty games, maybe

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Speaker 3: sixty two. I don't know that they're gonna win the championship. Again,

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Speaker 3: you guys can bet him, go for it. I'm not

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Speaker 3: doing that. So there's the Jmax six pack heading into

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Speaker 3: next season. Oh my gosh, who you doing these graphics.

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Speaker 6: For everyone listening?

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Speaker 4: You guys, there is a photo of j Mac on

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Speaker 4: the screen that is so on brand.

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Speaker 2: I'm in a tank top. Yes, that's a good job.

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Speaker 2: I think that's Tish or Scott. Shout out to those guys.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to Albert Breer live from Nantucket. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that is a big look at that tan on this guy.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, what are you doing this summer? He's

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Speaker 3: on a lobster boat. What's going on?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 8: No, no, no lobster boat for me. But yeah, this

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Speaker 8: I one of my few strengths J Mack is my

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Speaker 8: ability to chanswer. Everybody can see them on the screen now, yes, yes,

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Speaker 8: up close and personal. All right, before we get to NFL.

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Speaker 3: I know you're a huge college football guy, and Deon

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Speaker 3: Sanders came out this week and essentially said we need

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Speaker 3: a salary cap in college football.

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Speaker 2: So we went from like players.

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Speaker 3: Can't get paid five years ago to nil to salary

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Speaker 3: like it's exploding at a pace that I don't think

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Speaker 2: Your buck.

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Speaker 3: Guys are always big spenders, but when you hear salary

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Speaker 3: cap in college football, that just it just doesn't seem

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think I understand what Deon's saying, and

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Speaker 8: I think what Deon's saying is a small version of

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Speaker 8: a bigger topic that college coaches have been discussing for

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Speaker 8: years now, which is we need guardrails. We need some

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Speaker 8: sort of system that will put rules in place that

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Speaker 8: everybody has to play by that you know, maybe isn't

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Speaker 8: apples to apples from program to program based on what

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Speaker 8: it really does behoove you to have those sorts of

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Speaker 8: PETE the revenue share that goes up to twenty million,

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Speaker 8: I think all of that needs clarification, you know. And

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Speaker 8: then I think the other one that's really obvious is whether.

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Speaker 7: Or not they unionize.

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Speaker 8: And you know, forever and ever and ever, the NCAA

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Speaker 7: Guys would be classified as employees.

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Speaker 8: But if you're going to put a salary cap in place,

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Speaker 8: it would pretty much necessitate a collective bargaining agreement, which

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Speaker 3: So when you listen to Dion, it almost sounds like

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Speaker 3: he's maybe losing out on recruits to I don't know,

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Speaker 3: the Texas text of the world. Here is audio of

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Speaker 3: Dion talking about a salary cap need Albert.

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Speaker 5: I wish it was a cap, you know, like the

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Speaker 5: top of the line player makes this, and if you're

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Speaker 5: not that type of guy, you know you're not gonna

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Speaker 5: make that. This is what the NFL does. So the

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Speaker 5: problem is you got a guy that's not that durn good,

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Speaker 5: but he could go to another school and they give

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Speaker 5: him a half a million dollars and you can't you

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Speaker 5: can't compete with that. That don't make sense. See, all

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Speaker 5: you have to do is look at the playoffs and

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Speaker 5: see what those teams spent, and you understand darning a

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Speaker 5: white end playoffs, it's kind of hard to compete with

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Speaker 5: somebody who's giving twenty five thirty million dollars. So during

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Speaker 5: freshman class it is, it's crazy. The seems that pays

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Speaker 5: the more, pays the most is gonna be then in.

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Speaker 2: So again, you're just wrapping up on college football.

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Speaker 3: Do you think we will see one here in the

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Speaker 3: next like five years or is there just too much layer?

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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned the word union. That's insane for college football.

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Speaker 7: Come on, yeah, And I don't know how you solve it.

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Speaker 8: And you know, once the genie got out of the bottle,

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Speaker 7: But maybe misled them a little bit in the way

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Speaker 8: Checko's healthy. So if you're better at tackle and you

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Speaker 8: had this vision that come that that that that you

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Speaker 8: had drawn out last year, that comes to life this year,

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Speaker 8: I think they actually have a chance to be better

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Speaker 8: on offense than they were a year ago, with the

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Speaker 8: X factor, of course being Kelsey's age. The same way,

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Speaker 8: I think the defense is going to be really good

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Speaker 8: with the X factor being Chris Jones' age on that

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Speaker 8: side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, I'm glad you saved that hot take for

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Speaker 3: that moment, because I'm shocked right now. I haven't heard

448
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Speaker 3: anybody say that. Everybody seems to think regression is coming,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 8: Because you're all prisoners to the last thing you saw.

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Speaker 3: Not me, but other people probably. So that's interesting. The

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Speaker 3: world where the Chiefs offense is better with everybody healthy

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Speaker 3: and the offensive line maybe. Well, you're an Ohio State guy, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know the guy that they drafted, right, yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean like Simmons is, like, that's a devastating injury

456
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Speaker 8: for like a big man, like the that's worse than

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Speaker 8: the torn acl what he went through, the torn Pteller tendon.

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Speaker 8: And I don't think it was perfect at first, but

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Speaker 8: since the Chiefs have had him, he's checked all the

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Speaker 8: boxes and physically he's a freak. So the beauty of

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Speaker 8: it for the Chiefs is they don't need him to

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Speaker 8: start day one. If he wins the job, great, But

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Speaker 8: they brought in Jalen Moore to play that position from

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Speaker 8: the Niners, who had been a film for Trent Williams.

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Speaker 8: They have Juwan Taylor there who has been up and

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Speaker 8: down but still has ability, so like they can kind

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Speaker 8: of bring Josh Simmons along at his own case, and

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Speaker 8: you know, he's got the ability to be a top

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Speaker 8: shelf tackle somebody somebody there. Compared to the Trent Williams.

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Speaker 8: Maybe that's a little bit over the top, but he

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Speaker 8: does have a lot of ability.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll wrap up with this. Is there any

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Speaker 2: update on TJ.

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Speaker 9: Watt.

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Speaker 3: There's reports out there that like the fan base is

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Speaker 3: starting to get divided over what to do with their

477
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Speaker 3: beloved DJ. There's a report about someone family member of

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Speaker 3: someone in the organization venting we can't pay him.

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing out there?

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Speaker 8: I just think I just think they're I think there's

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Speaker 8: too much mutual interest in getting something done for them

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Speaker 8: not to be for them not to get something done.

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Speaker 8: The reason the Steelers went and got Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 8: because with the core that they've built, the core that

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Speaker 8: they've been highly competitive with but not at the top

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Speaker 8: level with over the last four or five years, there

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Speaker 8: may be a one or two year window left and

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Speaker 8: that's TJ. Watt, Minka Fitzpatrick when he was still there

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Speaker 8: before he got traded for Jalen Ramsey, which made them

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Speaker 8: two years older. Cam Hayward's at the end, you know,

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Speaker 8: with this group of players, it's about twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 8: And I think that's part of what appealed about the

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Speaker 8: situation that Aaron Rodgers is that he looks at it

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Speaker 8: and says, everybody else is on my timetable here.

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Speaker 7: These are my peers.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna go chase a championship together. So if that's

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Speaker 8: where the Steelers are, and TJ. Watt is at a

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Speaker 8: point in his career where he has to go chase

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Speaker 8: like he knows that the clock's ticking a little bit,

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Speaker 8: he has leverage over the Steelers and that they need

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Speaker 8: him to be part of that vision, but it also

502
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Speaker 8: behooves him to be part of that team, you know,

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Speaker 8: And so I just think there's too much mutual interest

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Speaker 8: for them not to get something done. I do think

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Speaker 8: the contracts for Miles Garrett and Daniel Hunter and Max

506
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Speaker 8: Prosby done this offseason do complicate things a little bit,

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Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, you know, I

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Speaker 8: the way I see it, at least like the two

509
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Speaker 8: parties involved here have have too much mutual interest not

510
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Speaker 8: to find a way to get something done. I don't

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Speaker 8: know if it will be at the beginning of camp

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Speaker 8: or right before week one, but I would think that

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Speaker 8: they'll find some sort of way to work this out.

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Speaker 3: All right, Albert Breer, thanks a lot for taking time

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Speaker 3: out of your vacation and your family to talk football.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a good guy.

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Speaker 7: All right, Albert Enjoy all right, Thanks Gus.

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Speaker 2: All right, Coming up on the Herd. Wait a minute, Sara,

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Speaker 2: am I reading this right?

520
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Speaker 3: Yannis making a definitive decision about his future in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Alex says that for the next In the next segment,

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Speaker 2: Year on the Herd, One More Herd. The Herd streams

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Within

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Speaker 9: Hey, what's up, everybody? It's me three time pro bowler

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Speaker 9: LeVar Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce

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Speaker 9: a podcast called Up on Game?

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Speaker 2: What is Up on Game?

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Speaker 9: You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. Hutschman,

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Speaker 9: Zada and Super Bowl champion Yup, that's right, Plexico Burris.

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Speaker 2: You can only name a show with that type of

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Speaker 2: talent on it.

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Speaker 9: Up on Game We're going to be sharing our real

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Speaker 9: life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on

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Speaker 9: Game with me LeVar Arrington, TJ. Hutschman Zada and Plexico

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Speaker 9: Burrs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

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Speaker 9: get your podcast from.

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Speaker 2: This month it gets really exciting. But for now, let's

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Speaker 2: go to Alex Curry with the news. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: turn on the news. This is the herd Line News and.

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Speaker 4: J Mac We're gonna start in the NBA. Because there's

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Speaker 4: been a ton of rumors, trade rumors surrounding Janie's off season,

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Speaker 4: but he hasn't addressed anything until recently. In a live

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Speaker 4: stream on YouTube, Jannis was asked if he'll play for

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Speaker 4: the Bucks this season, for which he said probably.

547
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Speaker 6: I love Milwaukee now. We also said taxes.

548
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Speaker 4: Are better in Florida and added that a lot of

549
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Speaker 4: people have tried to convince me to play in New York,

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Speaker 4: so there's a lot. There wasn't anything definitive in this

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Speaker 4: things two noesis weaker with Jason Tatum and Halliburn out

552
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Speaker 4: for the year, But right now Jannie is enjoying his

553
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Speaker 4: off season. We've seen him dancing on yacht's on vacation.

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Speaker 4: But for Buck fans, This is a good sign because

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Speaker 4: it's the first time we've actually heard anything directly from

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Speaker 4: Yannis saying probably I love Milwaukee. He also did it

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Speaker 4: completely close the door on the option of potentially getting

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Speaker 4: traded somewhere else. And he's always been a good guy, right,

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Speaker 4: He's always said the right things.

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Speaker 6: He has been so incredibly loyal to the Bucks for

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Speaker 6: giving him the opportunity that he has.

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Speaker 4: He's brought them a championship, and the Bucks made moves.

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Speaker 4: They recently released Damian Lillard. We had heard he wasn't

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Speaker 4: happy with that, but then they signed Miles Turner. I'm

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Speaker 4: probably happy about that. But they've been knocked out of

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Speaker 4: the first round three seasons in a row. Like, it's

567
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Speaker 4: not working. Whatever they have right now is not working.

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Speaker 4: And I believe that Yanna should see what the options

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Speaker 4: are and if he has a better opportunity, why wouldn't

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Speaker 4: you take it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you said they're not They've been knocked

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Speaker 2: out three years.

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Speaker 5: In a row.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so in the first round three straight since this

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Speaker 3: So they're starting back court is one of the five

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Speaker 3: worst in the East. Huh, there's no path to getting better.

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Speaker 3: They have no first round picks for the rest of

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Speaker 3: this decade. I know you said Miles Turner, like, that's

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Speaker 3: a that's a good get, it's a good gay because

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Speaker 3: of what happened with Dame. You're basically paying Miles Turner

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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars because.

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Speaker 2: They waved and stretched.

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Speaker 7: Muh huh.

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Speaker 2: There's no way they're gonna get good. So that's why.

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Speaker 3: And I know this is tough to stomach if you're

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Speaker 3: a Bucks fan, but is the move to trade the

587
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Speaker 3: honis and start over or do you want to be

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Speaker 3: mediocre for the next four years and maybe maybe get

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: They're not a lock.

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Speaker 4: They're definitely not a lock. I mean, they're getting there,

592
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Speaker 4: they're just getting knocked out in the first round. But

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Speaker 4: it's also like, when you say mediocre, you still have

594
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Speaker 4: one of the best players in the league on your

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Speaker 4: team and the honest and superstar. You just you don't

596
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Speaker 4: have the pieces you need around him to get back

597
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Speaker 4: to being a championship team. And sometimes it's hard, but

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Speaker 4: you got you got to move on.

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Speaker 3: If you have just to look at this as purely

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Speaker 3: a business decision, then you're shipping Giannis out.

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Speaker 6: Of town the time that you can get a lot

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Speaker 6: for it.

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Speaker 2: Price is gonna go down, and I know it's tough.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, we don't want to lose. Honest, we'll be irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna be on TV. We're not gonna have

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Speaker 3: a full arena.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's got to go through that.

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Speaker 4: Like, do you want to talk about the team who

609
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Speaker 4: made the biggest mistake of not trading high was when

610
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Speaker 4: the Angels had Otani and then they literally got nothing

611
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Speaker 4: for him, Like no, no, no, we're gonna keep it

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna try to win this year.

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Speaker 6: It's like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: No, you're not.

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Speaker 4: This is when you trade is when the stock is

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Speaker 4: high and you get the most that you can from him.

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Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be a tough one.

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Speaker 3: And remember, okay, see with Kevin Durant, they get far

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Speaker 3: and then Kd's like I'm out.

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Speaker 4: You know, like that could have as he literally could

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Speaker 4: come back move on then and be like let's it's

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Speaker 4: time for it's time.

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Speaker 2: To go in the ownership group.

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Speaker 3: So like you know, like I'm sure those guys are like,

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Speaker 3: we can't lose our money maker. He's the only reason

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Speaker 3: we're relevant.

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Speaker 4: He is, but but it could also be relevant if

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Speaker 4: you start winning and in order to do that, something

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Speaker 4: bigger needs to change, and that might be a full rebuild.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's okay, Okay, you mentioned OKC. We're going to

631
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Speaker 4: stick with the NBA. The Thunder a fresh off of

632
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Speaker 4: bringing OKAC their first NBA title and are looking to

633
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Speaker 4: be the league's next dynasty. They already locked up Sga

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Speaker 4: with a long term deal and now reportedly given Chet

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Speaker 4: Holmgren a five year rookie max extension worth up.

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Speaker 6: To two hundred and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Now, the Thunder also expected to lock up Jalen Williams

638
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Speaker 4: this summer. Now, just to put this into perspective, chet

639
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Speaker 4: salary will jump from thirteen point seven million to forty

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Speaker 4: one point three next season. Now, I personally think it's

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Speaker 4: too early to talk dynasty. Mentioned dynasty after one chip,

642
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Speaker 4: but if you're going to do it, you got to

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Speaker 4: keep your core together and this is a stack young team.

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Speaker 4: But you also have to remember this season everyone was

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Speaker 4: on rookie deals, so it made it easier to build,

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Speaker 4: and you just paid your MVP SGA the biggest yearly

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Speaker 4: contract in American sports history. He is making seventy one

648
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Speaker 4: point two five million dollars a year, that's more than show.

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Speaker 4: Hey o Khanni Juell and b Dak Prescot Jason Data.

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Speaker 4: I'm like things change once you start paying your stars.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a different mentality. You don't have as much

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Speaker 4: wiggle room. And again, like these guys are young. You

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Speaker 4: hope that they stay hungry. It was weird that we

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Speaker 4: didn't see them. There wasn't how do I explain this?

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Speaker 4: They said when they won the championship, it is like

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Speaker 4: act like you've.

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Speaker 6: Been here before.

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Speaker 4: It's like, no, but you haven't celebrate, get excited and

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Speaker 4: show some emotions that like this is something really big

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Speaker 4: that you accomplished. So that could be a positive that

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Speaker 4: like maybe they they stick with that mentality and they

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Speaker 4: could get back to another championship. But again, like you're

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Speaker 4: you're you are now having to pay your guys when

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Speaker 4: you didn't have have to pay anybody last So can we.

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Speaker 3: Get that graphic on the screen about the highest paid

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Speaker 3: players in sports? So otani Wana World Series. Yes, Joel

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Speaker 3: Embie never been to a conference championship game. Jason Jatum

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Speaker 3: lost in the second round.

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Speaker 2: Out for the year. Dek Prescott's not sniffing the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: No, Andthy Davis always hurt. I don't think the Mads

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Speaker 3: are ready to compete. And Giannis in the bucks, no shot,

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Speaker 3: Like now, you know once you start paying these guys.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Devin Booker's gonna make it.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Sho Tani Defer deferred a lot of

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Speaker 3: his money for.

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Speaker 6: Most of his money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's also making like one hundred million a

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Speaker 4: year on like ads, probably more back in Japan.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is a different situation. And Devin Booker's

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Speaker 3: going to be at seventy two mil with the Sons

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Speaker 3: with his new deal, and they're probably not top eight

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Speaker 3: or nine in the West.

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Speaker 2: So and I get it.

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Speaker 4: These guys are worth it, but don't you help me.

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Speaker 4: He's what the markets doing, like you have to. You

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Speaker 4: have to follow the market if you want to keep

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Speaker 4: your top guys.

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Speaker 3: So you tell me Jay, you got to go get

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Speaker 3: the bag. Fine, I'll get the bag, but we're not

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Speaker 3: winning it. Do I want to win or get paid?

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Speaker 3: I think you get paid what. I can't think for everybody,

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Speaker 3: but I would love to get paid, get me my money,

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Speaker 3: and then I want championships.

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Speaker 2: That's all I want to do.

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Speaker 6: Not a wrong answer for an athlete.

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Speaker 4: The athlete window is so much smaller than any other

697
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Speaker 4: industry out there of your chance to make big money.

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Speaker 4: So if you want to go and make that generational

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Speaker 4: wealth money, all on you, no judgment, go do that,

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Speaker 4: but you're limiting your team to be able to build

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Speaker 4: around you.

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Speaker 6: And that's a real real thing.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 6: Let's move to the NFL.

705
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Speaker 4: Or Brock perty landed a long term extension this offseason,

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Speaker 4: putting him among the top ten highest paid quarterbacks in

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Speaker 4: the league, and many have tried to discredit what pretty

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Speaker 4: has done in his three seasons with San Francisco, but

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00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: former NFL quarterback Matt Ryan believes he's actually underrated.

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Speaker 10: I think his ability to throw football over the middle

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Speaker 10: of the field. I think that's huge for them. Fits

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Speaker 10: within the scheme and what they do. He's a really

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Speaker 10: good athlete. I think rate it in terms of, you know, mobility,

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Speaker 10: but also accuracy on the run. You know, the ability

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Speaker 10: to be accurate in the intermediate passing game, moving around.

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Speaker 10: I think that fits with how Kyle wants to run

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Speaker 10: the football, so, you know, I think he can identify that,

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Speaker 10: you know, pretty quickly. I think the unknown is or

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Speaker 10: the unknown was with Brock early on. Is he going

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Speaker 10: to be able to make good decisions? Is it going

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Speaker 10: to be poised in two minute situations in critical third downs?

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Speaker 10: And he's shown to be that in his short career.

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Speaker 4: I will preach this from the rooftops. Put some respect

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Speaker 4: on brock Purty's name. I think people have a hard

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Speaker 4: time getting over the fact that he was the very

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Speaker 4: last pick in the draft, mister irrelevant. But when you

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Speaker 4: look at what this man has done in his first

728
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Speaker 4: few seasons in the league, starting with his rookie season,

729
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Speaker 4: taking the team to the NFC Championship Game. Then he

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Speaker 4: got injured, which is why they I think they lost.

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Speaker 4: Then he took his team to the super Bowl the

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Speaker 4: next season. Last year is a bit of a wash

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Speaker 4: because of so many injuries at every part of that

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Speaker 4: forty nine ers team.

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Speaker 6: But they believe he's the guy. They just paid him

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Speaker 6: like he's the guy.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna win the NFC West this year,

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Speaker 4: even though they have an easier schedule because they have

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Speaker 4: I have the Rams winning the NFC West.

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Speaker 6: I think they have. They definitely have a bounce back season.

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Speaker 6: They should. They have an easier schedule.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and everybody else, It would be a little shocking

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Speaker 4: if they didn't. Hopefully McCaffrey is because yact they need

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Speaker 4: and he stays healthy. He's about to be a new

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Speaker 4: dad too, so hopefully has that new dad energy.

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Speaker 2: Oh he married the some kind of celebrity person. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: every guys saw a picture.

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Speaker 6: They're also in the red zone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember those days. Uh huh, Alex the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line news all right.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, did the GM of the Kansas City Chiefs?

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Speaker 3: Do you just take a shot at Travis Kelce? That's

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Speaker 3: next year on the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in neonon eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: Tuesday, it's the Midsummer Classic as Judge Otani in Baseball's

759
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 4: biggest stars head to Atlanta for the MLB All Star Game.

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Speaker 4: Coverage begins at seven eastern, four Pacific only on Fox.

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Speaker 2: Back here on the Herd.

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Speaker 3: As I said earlier, NFL is going to start to

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Speaker 3: get a little bit more on the front burner, if

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Speaker 3: you will. As we head into late July, NBA starting

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Speaker 3: to peter out. Big Summer League game tonight, though, But

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Speaker 3: let's go to the Kansas City Chiefs for a moment,

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Speaker 3: shall we.

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Speaker 2: I know Kansas City Chiefs fans hold their breath when

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Speaker 2: I start talking about the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: But you guys need to look at one of your own,

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Speaker 3: because earlier, I think it was this week, Brett Viach architect, mastermind,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call him, came out in the

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Speaker 3: media and was talking about.

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Speaker 2: Travis kelcey and his shall we say struggle.

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Speaker 7: So I looked it up.

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Speaker 3: So three years ago, Travis kelce thirteen hundred yards, twelve touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: I think you could argue he's the best tight end

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Speaker 2: in the league.

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Speaker 3: Two years ago those numbers dipped to nine hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty four yards and five touchdowns, So four hundred fewer yards,

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Speaker 3: seven fewer touchdowns. Last year Travis kelce down to eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty three yards, three touchdowns, career lows across

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Speaker 3: the board.

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Speaker 2: Now the guy's turning thirty six soon. What are we

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Speaker 2: going to make of that?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 3: You and I can look at this and see whatever

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Speaker 3: we want. Okay, I look at this and see a

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Speaker 3: former superstar in decline. As it happens to everybody, right,

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Speaker 3: that's just normal. Everybody starts to decline in their mid

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Speaker 3: thirties and whatever professional sport they play, unless your name

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Speaker 3: is Lebron or Tom Brady, who are just freaks. But

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Speaker 3: Chiefs fans look at this and say, well, he's just

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Speaker 3: slow playing it, saving.

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Speaker 2: It for the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fine, he had a great game against the Texans

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Speaker 3: and did nothing in the other two games. Go look

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Speaker 3: at the Super Bowl clips. If you can clip off

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Speaker 3: every route he ran in the Super Bowl, it was useless.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey did absolutely nothing against the Eagles, and I

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Speaker 3: look at his drop right here.

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Speaker 2: That's just brutal.

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Speaker 3: And that's against the Texans when he actually played halfway decent.

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Speaker 3: But he's just he's not the same guy he was

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Speaker 3: and that's not a knock. So Brett Veach came out

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Speaker 3: and this is an actual quote.

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Speaker 2: This is not made up. This is not fake news.

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Speaker 2: This might be it. Now that was part of a

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Speaker 2: larger quote.

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Speaker 3: But when you're watching Kelsey in the Super Bowl again,

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Speaker 3: go call it up on YouTube. You look at that

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Speaker 3: and you're like, this might be it. So when the

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Speaker 3: GM is saying that, now, I was at a motivational

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Speaker 3: ploy to get Kelsey fired.

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Speaker 2: Up and locked. And if you can only do so much.

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Speaker 3: Now Kelsey may come out in the first two weeks

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Speaker 3: and have you know, fifteen catches for three hundred yards

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Speaker 3: and always back he's been He's coming off like a

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Speaker 3: seven month rest.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I asked Albert Breer about this earlier in

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Speaker 3: the show. Here's Breer on Veitch's comments about his tight end.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, he's turning thirty six, you know what

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 8: Like, so, I I think if you're if you're being

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Speaker 8: honest about it, like he's already that position, by the way, Like,

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Speaker 8: it's amazing he's made it as long as he has

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Speaker 8: more tight ends where the tag of injury prone than

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Speaker 8: I think at any other position.

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Speaker 7: And the reason why is because of how difficult that

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Speaker 7: position is on your body. So the fact that he's

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Speaker 7: made it this far is really really remarkable.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I agree.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Kelsey's a Hall of Famer. He's on the short

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Speaker 3: list of best tight ends in NFL history.

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Speaker 8: What is it like.

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Speaker 2: Shannon Sharp and Gronkowski.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm missing some guys, but Kelsey is certainly,

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Speaker 3: without question in there, It's.

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Speaker 2: Just he's older now. Now.

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Speaker 3: Breer did go on to say that there's a world

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Speaker 3: where healthy Chiefs receiving cores with Hollywood Brown, where Shee Weiss,

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00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: Rice Xavier Worthy. That opens up the field, and maybe

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Speaker 3: Kelsey is starting to eat more. But I think it's

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Speaker 3: safe to say the Chiefs could look a little different

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Speaker 3: this year. Kelsey may just not be featured as much

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Speaker 3: in an effort to save him for the postseason. So

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Speaker 3: I would just keep an eye on Kansas City. I'm

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Speaker 3: on record saying they'll miss the playoffs. I know that

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Speaker 3: sounds like a hot take, but if you look at

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Speaker 3: the landscape, their schedule is brutal, especially compared to some

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Speaker 3: of the other teams in the AFC, and several teams

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Speaker 3: got a lot better, including in their division. I think

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Speaker 3: clearly the Broncos improved. I don't know if the Chiefs improved. Seriously,

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Speaker 3: the Raiders are better, I don't know how much better.

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Speaker 3: And then you've got the Chargers along with the Broncos,

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Speaker 3: who are charging and looking.

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Speaker 2: For that division.

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Speaker 3: So just let's keep an eye on Travis Kelce and

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs this offseason. I'll wrap up this hour with

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Speaker 3: this one is this Kirk Cousins story this Netflix show

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Speaker 3: Quarterback season two and Kirk Cousins is prominently featured, and

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Speaker 3: he's like, basically the big takeaway is did he get screwed?

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Speaker 3: Or are the Falcons just a really dense organization who

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Speaker 3: either made a grave mistake giving Kirk Cousins one hundred

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Speaker 3: million guaranteed off an Achilles or are the Falcons also

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Speaker 3: smart for after giving Cousins one hundred million drafting a

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Speaker 3: quarterback in the top ten, and did it screw Cousins?

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Speaker 3: Because honestly, Cousins comes off like very upset. He says

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Speaker 3: he was misled and maybe it's a soft spot in me.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age, But I

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Speaker 3: actually felt bad for Kirk Cousins. And I asked the

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Speaker 3: morning meeting about he does anybody else feel bad for Cousins?

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Speaker 3: And you know, people were like pulling money out of

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Speaker 3: their pockets and being like, yeah, Kirk Cousins is extremely rich,

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Speaker 3: Scrooge McDuck ritche, how can you feel bad for that guy?

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00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, I'm sure he didn't want it

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00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: to end this way. Like Kirk Cousins undeniably goes into

879
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: this you know, training camp as the best backup quarterback

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00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 3: in the league. He would kill to be a starter

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00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: anywhere else. And he's stuck in Atlanta, and I know,

882
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: making a lot of money, but you don't want to

883
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: be doing that at his age, in your mid thirties.

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00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: You want to be contending here at the end of

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00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: your career. And meanwhile, Cousins is looking up at a rookie.

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00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: And by the way, Cousins is playing it like the

887
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: true pro saying all the good luck to Michael Pennix

888
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: and being you know, he's just being the leader that

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00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: you'd expect him to be.

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Speaker 2: It feels a little fake, but on some level, I

891
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Speaker 2: just I get it.

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins was drafted in the fourth round, wasn't expected

893
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: much when they took RG three first in Washington. Hey man,

894
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: you're gonna be a developmental guy. You're a backup out

895
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Speaker 3: of Michigan State. And then Kurt RG three gets hurt,

896
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins gets his chance, and boom he's in.

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Speaker 2: So do you think on some level Michael Penix is seeing, oh,

898
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Speaker 2: Cousins had his chance. Now it's my time to shine.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Pennick's all off seasons like, I can't lose this starting job.

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00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: It's mine, And so that leaves cousins in kind of

902
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: a craft spot. And there's no way that he wanted

903
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: it to end this way. I saw a report that

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00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: his wife and he were married in Atlanta. They named

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00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: their kid, Turner after Ted Turner, obviously with the Braves

906
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: and tbs, and it's like he's.

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Speaker 2: Got an affection to that city.

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00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: He wanted this to be his last go round, and

909
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: he ends up kind of on the outside looking in.

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Speaker 2: Can't be fun.

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00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could hold it together the

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00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: way he is as a professional. But on on the

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Speaker 3: other side of the corner, you're like, dude, you're getting

914
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Speaker 3: paid a lot of money, and I can hear these

915
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: people he's getting paid.

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Speaker 2: Who cares. Competitors want to be on the field. They

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Speaker 2: don't want to just take checks, all right.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in the final hour, the Lakers are one

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Speaker 3: piece from a title and an amazing college football story

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Speaker 3: that you're gonna love.