WEBVTT - From the Vault: Crabs Eat Everything Around Me, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time for an episode from the Vault. This one originally

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<v Speaker 1>published November. It's called Crabs Eat Everything Around Me Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about you know, it's about crabs eating stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there's any simpler way to put it than that.

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<v Speaker 1>My welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of

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<v Speaker 1>My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're gonna be talking about crabs. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this will be the first episode in a in a

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<v Speaker 1>series that we're doing here at least two parts to this,

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<v Speaker 1>because the crabs are ravenous and we're gonna be talking

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<v Speaker 1>all about crabs eating things. You know, this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a holiday tradition for so I figured how many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago it was that we did uh, we did

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Crabs. We talked about the Crabs of Christmas Island

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<v Speaker 1>as our Christmas episode, and and so it feels appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>that as we enter into the holiday season here with

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<v Speaker 1>in November and December, that we should return to the

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<v Speaker 1>world of crabs and the feasts that crabs engage in.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever noticed how the crabs come earlier every year?

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<v Speaker 1>At least it feels that way. But yes, anyway that

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<v Speaker 1>this will be a feast day of an episode because

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<v Speaker 1>it will all be about crabs feasting sometimes things feasting

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<v Speaker 1>on crabs, mostly what crabs themselves feast on. It's funny

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<v Speaker 1>how crabs are are a natural source of feasting related content. Uh, Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>I I think you saw my note about this beforehand,

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<v Speaker 1>but I discovered the strangest Google results phenomenon before we

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<v Speaker 1>came in here. What I found out earlier today was

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<v Speaker 1>that when I do a Google search for crabs, it's

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<v Speaker 1>five letter word crabs. You'd think the first result would

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<v Speaker 1>be what like Wikipedia page for this animal, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>the first result is seafood restaurants featuring crabs. They're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sell me some crab legs and drawn butter. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the second result is the is like a health

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<v Speaker 1>node about pubic lice. And then finally the third thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the result is about the actual animals, the decapod crustaceans. Well, um,

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<v Speaker 1>after you mentioned this, I had to try it out

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. And and granted I'm not going in like fresh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I do use Google quite a bit um. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, when I did a search for crabs

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<v Speaker 1>c R A B s um, the number one hit

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<v Speaker 1>is sponsored seafood content, but then it's the wiki for

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<v Speaker 1>the decapod crustaceans, and then it's pubic lice in number

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<v Speaker 1>at number three um, and then it's more pubic lice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's some stuff about the crab nebula I

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<v Speaker 1>think video content about the crab nebula uh, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's back to pubic lice once more, before rounding out

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<v Speaker 1>page one search results with the Britannica dot com article

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<v Speaker 1>about decapod crustaceans. Okay, so as our top three go basically,

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<v Speaker 1>Google just thinks I'm going to be more interested in

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<v Speaker 1>uh in in the lice than you are. I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. I mean it could. I mean we were

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<v Speaker 1>both probably searching for crabs all morning um and and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps yeah days before as well. So it seems like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know how these algorithms work, but

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like they would have gotten into their robotic

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<v Speaker 1>minds that these are gentlemen who are interested in decapod crustaceans,

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<v Speaker 1>and we should serve them up even more of it. Guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's all mysteries in there. Who knows

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<v Speaker 1>the mind of the machine crabs that that order all

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<v Speaker 1>those results for us? Um, But I wanted to come

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<v Speaker 1>back to uh this uh image in amber. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a study that was just published in Science Advances earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year by Javier lukeway at All, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>called Crab and Amber reveals an early colonization of non

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<v Speaker 1>marine environments during the Cretaceous. So this discovery concerns a

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<v Speaker 1>fossil found in a piece of amber mind in modern

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<v Speaker 1>day me and Mar dating back roughly a hundred million

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<v Speaker 1>years or so, so squarely in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cretaceous period, containing a remarkably well preserved specimen of a

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<v Speaker 1>crab bearing the author's note, large compound eyes, delicate mouthparts,

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<v Speaker 1>and even gills. Basically it's wholly intact. The whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is in there. Yeah, it's quite impressive looking in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that it is um its body. It's position too,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like it is like throwing up its clause

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<v Speaker 1>and a defensive position that we've all seen. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think or you haven't seen it in person, you've probably

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<v Speaker 1>seen a picture of it, of a crab like on

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<v Speaker 1>the beach saying stand back, mammal, do not make me

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<v Speaker 1>pinch you. Um. So it's as if, through you know,

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<v Speaker 1>across uh, this is vast stretch of time, the crab

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<v Speaker 1>is warning us to stay back with such ferocity that

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<v Speaker 1>the very forces of geology like conspired to preserve this

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<v Speaker 1>this uh, this ants it's doing. And yeah, maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I sound silly, but I give this image five

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<v Speaker 1>out of five coal hods. I am profoundly stirred by

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<v Speaker 1>this crab trapped in amber. And and not just because

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<v Speaker 1>it you know, it looks like that haunting mosquito and

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<v Speaker 1>amber prop from Jurassic Park. But but there's something a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more to this too, because it raises these

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<v Speaker 1>questions like how did a crabred million years ago get

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in tree resin to become part of a fossilized

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<v Speaker 1>piece of amber. We don't know the answer to this,

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<v Speaker 1>but the researchers hypothesized, well, maybe this was a crab

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<v Speaker 1>that lived a partially arboreal lifestyle. There are crabs today

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<v Speaker 1>that climb trees as part of their lifestyle. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this crab was climbing trees for some reason. Uh and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and and maybe it's also just because it causes you

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that crabs existed and we're already beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>come out of the oceans to move inland from the

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<v Speaker 1>beaches hundred million years ago when dinosaurs were at their apex.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always love those realization moments where you have like, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>animals of this kind and this kind actually did live

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<v Speaker 1>alongside one another, terrestrial dinosaurs and terrestrial or semi terrestrial crabs.

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<v Speaker 1>And Robert, I think you'll be very familiar with the

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<v Speaker 1>the the did they fight mindset. Right as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine that, the my sort of like eight year

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<v Speaker 1>old boys brain starts going, did they ever fight each other?

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<v Speaker 1>Dinosaurs versus crabs? I don't know how much of a

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<v Speaker 1>fight that would have been, but I guess more more

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<v Speaker 1>relevantly I could say, did they ever eat one another?

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<v Speaker 1>And Uh, you actually gotta give you credit because you

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<v Speaker 1>turned up the source on this for the copper Light

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<v Speaker 1>study that found a pretty good case that yes, at

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<v Speaker 1>least the eating was going one way. Yeah, but the

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<v Speaker 1>details of this I was surprised at because you know

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<v Speaker 1>not not to say that that some like smaller you know,

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<v Speaker 1>beach combing dinosaur wasn't also hunting and gobbling up crabs.

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<v Speaker 1>But the evidence here points to a different mode of consumption, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a study published in Scientific Reports in

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<v Speaker 1>The lead author was a professor Karen Chin, who is

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<v Speaker 1>Curator of Paleontology at Colorado University Boulders Museum of Natural History.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh so this was by by Chin, Feldman and

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<v Speaker 1>Tashman called Consumption of Crustaceans by mega herbivorous Dinosaurs, dietary

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<v Speaker 1>flexibility and Dinosaur life history Strategies. So this is a

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<v Speaker 1>copper light study, and you've gotta love a copper light study.

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<v Speaker 1>Copper light, of course, is fossilized animal dung. This is

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<v Speaker 1>dung that has become a mineral of the Earth. And

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<v Speaker 1>the top line on this is that, uh collections of

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<v Speaker 1>fossilized dinosaur feces from seventy five million years ago found

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<v Speaker 1>in modern day Montana revealed that some giant herbivorous dinosaurs

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<v Speaker 1>weren't always strictly herbivorous. Now, this would not be the

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<v Speaker 1>first time a subject like this has come up on

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<v Speaker 1>the show before, I think It was in our episodes

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<v Speaker 1>on the Minotaur that we talked about evidence of bovines,

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<v Speaker 1>cows and bulls and related animals sometimes eating flesh and

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to their mostly vegetable diets. But it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe something similar was going on with giant herbivorous dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 1>So these feces probably belonged to hadrosaurs or the duck

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<v Speaker 1>build dinosaurs. And it looks from the contents of these

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<v Speaker 1>copper lights like these giant herbivores sometimes would supplement their

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<v Speaker 1>vegetable diets by eating rotten wood and crustaceans. You can

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<v Speaker 1>tell by these, uh, these remains preserved in the fossilized

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<v Speaker 1>dung which are full of wood, fiber and crustacean shells. Now, again,

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<v Speaker 1>this this raises these wonderful questions like how did this happen? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>And you could imagine it's possibly some kind of accident,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a duckbill dinosaurs eating a rotten log for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get some kind of nutrients from all this

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<v Speaker 1>rough rotten wood, and the rotten log just happens to

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<v Speaker 1>be full of crabs. But to come back against that,

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<v Speaker 1>against the accident hypothesis, I just want to read briefly

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<v Speaker 1>from the press release describing this study. Quote, the size

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<v Speaker 1>of the crustacean shell bits in the copper lights indicate

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<v Speaker 1>the crustaceans were at least two inches in length and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps larger. Uh. And this is according to the lead author,

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Chin. Individual crustaceans comprised from twenty six of the

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<v Speaker 1>width of a common had restored beak, suggesting it was

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely that crustaceans were unwittingly swallowed. Uh So, the ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like whatever these crustaceans were, maybe they were crabs.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know for sure what they were, but there

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<v Speaker 1>have been fossilized crab claws found from around the same

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<v Speaker 1>area and going back even further in time, So there

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<v Speaker 1>were crabs around these station. Shells could have belonged to

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<v Speaker 1>crabs that were smashed up too much in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the copper light to know for sure, but they could

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<v Speaker 1>have been crabs, and they would have been big enough

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<v Speaker 1>that it kind of seems unlikely they just accidentally went

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<v Speaker 1>into the hadrosaur's mouth. It seems like the hadrosaur would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to choose to eat the crab. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm also For me, it just makes me wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>like what was the digestive system of a hydrosaur, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it was just it seems like an industrial processing plant.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just rotten wood. Uh, it's all these

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<v Speaker 1>these are these these fairly large like whole crustaceans and

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<v Speaker 1>or their shells embedded in it, and you just you

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<v Speaker 1>just eat that down because you're still hungry. And it

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<v Speaker 1>may not have been about just obtaining raw calories like

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<v Speaker 1>they may have been searching for a specific nutrient like

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<v Speaker 1>we see in some other cases of otherwise herbivorous animals

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes eating say bones or something where they're looking out

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<v Speaker 1>certain types of minerals, maybe calcium or something. It could

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<v Speaker 1>have been the case that maybe eating eating crustaceans like

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<v Speaker 1>crabs for the drsaurs was linked to the reproductive cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>They may have been seeking to bulk up on calcium

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<v Speaker 1>or something. We don't know though, but oh whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>answer there, I just I love it. So mega herbivorous

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<v Speaker 1>or so called herbivorous dinosaurs eating crabs or crab like

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<v Speaker 1>crustaceans seventy five million years ago and crabs a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million years ago getting frozen in amber for all of time. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it just it just fills my you know, I got

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<v Speaker 1>butterflies under my skin, all over my limbs. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>this makes me so happy. Yeah, I mean for the crabs.

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<v Speaker 1>Though this is just another couple of pages in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the crab planet, well right, because it all

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<v Speaker 1>it raises the question going the other way, the one

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<v Speaker 1>we're saying we didn't know if we could answer. But

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<v Speaker 1>so it looks like some dinosaurs in some cases eight

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<v Speaker 1>crabs or crab like animals, other crustaceans. But the other

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<v Speaker 1>question would be did crabs ever eat dinosaurs? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about you. I could not find anything, any evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to directly address that question. As far as I know,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no physical evidence anybody's aware of, uh, to

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<v Speaker 1>settle this issue. But I would say, if we can't

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<v Speaker 1>find an answer to the question based on everything else

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about in the series, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue that in the absence of any evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>our default assumption should be yes. I believe so. I

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<v Speaker 1>think based on what we know about the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>crabs in general and the sort of things they do eat,

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<v Speaker 1>it it only makes sense that that they would they

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<v Speaker 1>would partake of dinosaur meat if they came across it

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<v Speaker 1>in their environment Alright, well, I say from here on out,

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the series, we're just going to

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at crabs eating all kinds of stuff. So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so, rob if you're ready, let's let's begin the

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<v Speaker 1>crab feast. Yeah. But like just like with human feast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not enough to know what you're going to be eating.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's also about how you're going to eat. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that, So we should we should probably start

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<v Speaker 1>there with how crabs go about, uh consuming their various feasts. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>crabs are of course a verse subgroup of the order

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<v Speaker 1>of decapod crustaceans, So the decapod as in having ten feet,

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<v Speaker 1>they are crustaceans. So there, you know, creatures with an exoskeleton.

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<v Speaker 1>In order to grow bigger, they have to molt, so

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<v Speaker 1>they have to shed their hard exoskeleton and come out

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<v Speaker 1>with a soft one while they can rapidly increase in

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<v Speaker 1>size and then reharden that. Crabs of course live in

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of environments. They originally come from the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>but over time and evolutionary history, like we saw with

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<v Speaker 1>the crab preserved in amber, they started to move out

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<v Speaker 1>away from the ocean and eventually into freshwater environments, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are even land crabs. So as to the question

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<v Speaker 1>of how and what do crabs normally consume, well, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of different species of crabs, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them have different dietary specialization, so there's no one

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<v Speaker 1>answer to that question. But if you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of be general overall, it seems like the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of crabs are not especially picky. Uh. Many crabs appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be omnivorous opportunists who will eat pretty much anything

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<v Speaker 1>they can shove into their mouths, and this can include

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<v Speaker 1>everything from vegetation just gobbling up algae and fresh plant

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<v Speaker 1>material leaf litter to uh to eating meat of course,

0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.800
<v Speaker 1>scavenging scavenging carry in which crabs do a lot, or

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<v Speaker 1>just getting little bits of organic or animal detritus, to

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<v Speaker 1>actively hunting live prey with their claws, which some crabs

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<v Speaker 1>do so as to diet. Crabs are all over the map.

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<v Speaker 1>But the next thing I wanted to mention this was

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<v Speaker 1>new information to me when when I was getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode. So animal bodies, you know, they've usually

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<v Speaker 1>got some kind of special equipment to help them extract

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<v Speaker 1>the maximum amount of nutritional value from their food, and

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<v Speaker 1>this often involves either chemically or mechanically breaking down the

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<v Speaker 1>food from its original form, often to increase the surface

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<v Speaker 1>area or the ease of access to nutrients by the

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<v Speaker 1>digestive system, So there might be some kind of chemical

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown as well. So you know, you know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the equipment. You've got Humans have teeth that we chew

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<v Speaker 1>with and that that mashes food up and increased surface area.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got gastric acid secreted by the cells in the

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<v Speaker 1>lining of your stomach. But then you know they're all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of other strategies. Spiders will vomit digestive enzymes over

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<v Speaker 1>and into their prey to uh sort of reduce the

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<v Speaker 1>nutritious parts down to a fluid or mush that they

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<v Speaker 1>can then slurp up with the mouth. And they also

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<v Speaker 1>do have a form of chewing with their jaws, which

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<v Speaker 1>are called chillissory. But crabs have one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>glorious digestive aids I think I've ever read about. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you ask the question do crabs have teeth, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the answer would have to be yes and no

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of ways. So Obviously, crabs do not

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<v Speaker 1>have teeth like us. Uh. They typically eat first by

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<v Speaker 1>using their claws to tear food into small chunks before

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<v Speaker 1>bringing it up to their mouth parts, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>usually have a number of different moving mouth parts. These

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<v Speaker 1>consist of um these things called maxilla heads, also known

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<v Speaker 1>as jaw legs, which are sort of like hands within

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<v Speaker 1>the mouth. These are are modified a little leg parts

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<v Speaker 1>that will sort of grab bits of food and pass

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<v Speaker 1>them inward and onward to other parts of the mouth

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<v Speaker 1>known as the mac silly and the mandibles, which can

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<v Speaker 1>further shred the food apart into smaller pieces that can

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<v Speaker 1>be swallowed. But then once the food is swallowed, it

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<v Speaker 1>is inside the digestive system where the most amazing feature appears,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's this. Crabs, along with other related crustaceans, have

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<v Speaker 1>an organ known as a gastric mill, which is more

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<v Speaker 1>or less teeth inside the stomach. They've got gut teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>They can chew with the insides of their stomachs, And

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<v Speaker 1>this is another one that really got me. This is

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<v Speaker 1>also worth googling some pictures of if you can, because

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<v Speaker 1>there there are some uh some photos you can find

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<v Speaker 1>on the Internet of like gastric mills, how having been

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<v Speaker 1>extracted from the inside of a of a crabs digestive system,

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<v Speaker 1>and they it's hard to describe how they look. They've

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<v Speaker 1>they've got the kind of they're like a semi translucent

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<v Speaker 1>pinkish orange, uh sci fi weapon hood. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>it's but it's also kind of beak like. It's very unnerving.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, what are the interesting things about about the

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<v Speaker 1>way of crab eats? And especially as evident if you're watching,

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<v Speaker 1>um it's a close up video of a crab eating,

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<v Speaker 1>is that there even more so with other creatures this

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<v Speaker 1>there's this sense of meticulous um disassembly. Uh, the crab

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<v Speaker 1>is not so much I mean, it is consuming, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is also just uh just taking whatever it is

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<v Speaker 1>consuming completely apart. It is disassembling matter and putting it

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<v Speaker 1>into itself. Well, yeah, the crab makes you think about

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<v Speaker 1>how much how much humans actually need to use tools

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<v Speaker 1>for the kind of disassembly that they do leading into

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<v Speaker 1>into eating say meat or something you know, like so

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<v Speaker 1>humans devote a huge amount of their tech know logical

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<v Speaker 1>energy over the history of time into creating like tools

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<v Speaker 1>for butchery of food, cutting food into smaller and smaller

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<v Speaker 1>pieces that are manageable that you can bite into, chew up,

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. The crab they've they've got their disassembly

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<v Speaker 1>tools right there on their body. They've got the claws,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got the maxilly and the mandibles, and then once

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<v Speaker 1>the food's inside, they've got additional opportunities for chewing. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to stop chewing once you have swallowed. So

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<v Speaker 1>the way the gastrit mill works is that it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of choose the food from inside the stomach by grinding

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<v Speaker 1>it between these hard parts like plates or surfaces that

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<v Speaker 1>are moved around by powerful gut muscles. And so while

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading about the gastrit mill, I came across

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<v Speaker 1>a really interesting piece of research from twenty nineteen that

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<v Speaker 1>I just had to mention as as we're going along here,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was by Jennifer R. A. Taylor, Maya S. Devrees,

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<v Speaker 1>and Damian O Alias published in the Proceedings of the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Society be In in nineteen called Growling from the

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<v Speaker 1>Gut co Optation of the gastric mill for Acoustic communication

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<v Speaker 1>in ghost Crabs. So the short version of this discovery

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<v Speaker 1>is that you've got this animal, the ghost crab scientific

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<v Speaker 1>names quadrata, and it will sometimes make a threatening sound

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<v Speaker 1>by way of having evolved. Quote a novel stridulation apparatus

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<v Speaker 1>on the clause that is used during agonistic interactions. So,

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<v Speaker 1>strigulation is any sound that is made by an animal

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<v Speaker 1>rubbing pieces of its skeleton or exoskeleton together. The very

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<v Speaker 1>common example you can think of is the sounds made

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<v Speaker 1>by crickets or grasshoppers. That's strigulation. They rub parts of

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<v Speaker 1>their legs or their carapists together, and that makes this

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<v Speaker 1>chirping sound that is useful to the animal for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe for maybe for mating, or maybe as warning signals

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<v Speaker 1>or something. The ghost crab appears to use this stridge

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<v Speaker 1>relation of rubbing its claws as a as a warning sign,

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<v Speaker 1>as signs like Hey, I'm threatened, I am dangerous. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got these big claws. You do not want to get

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<v Speaker 1>near me. But in addition to the strigulation they make

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<v Speaker 1>with their with their claws, to quote from the abstract

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<v Speaker 1>of this paper, by a tailor at all quote, but

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<v Speaker 1>they also produce a rasping sound without their claw apparatus.

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<v Speaker 1>We investigated the nature of these sounds and show that

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<v Speaker 1>oh quadrata adopted a unique and redundant mode of sound

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<v Speaker 1>production by co opting the gastric mill the grinding teeth

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<v Speaker 1>of the fore gut. Acoustic characteristics of the sound are

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<v Speaker 1>consistent with strigulation and are produced by both male and

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<v Speaker 1>female crabs during aggressive interactions. Uh so, yes they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually they can like chirp like a cricket with the

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<v Speaker 1>grinding teeth inside their stomachs in order to have a

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<v Speaker 1>redundant way of making this aggressive sound display that they

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<v Speaker 1>when they're being threatened. And the authors actually speculate as

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<v Speaker 1>to why they would have this redundancy why be able

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<v Speaker 1>to make this sound with two different parts of their body?

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<v Speaker 1>They write, quote, A key advantage of using gastrixtrigulation over

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<v Speaker 1>the claw apparatus is that it provides signal while freeing

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<v Speaker 1>up the chel a for postural display and attack readiness.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, basically this this allows you to have

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<v Speaker 1>claws out to be maximally visually threatening and maybe maximally

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous if a fight actually does start, while still making

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<v Speaker 1>the grinding scary sound. So yes, anyway, crabs and related

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<v Speaker 1>crustaceans gastric mills. The chewing doesn't have to stop once

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<v Speaker 1>you go down the gullet. And like we said, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of crabs are not very picky eaters, So who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe if you could be taken apart into small

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<v Speaker 1>enough pieces, you would go down the gullet. Than I

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<v Speaker 1>guess from here we're going to start getting into the

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<v Speaker 1>various meals of the crabs. You know, what do they

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<v Speaker 1>use this uh, this fabulous uh equipment for? And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that I was thinking that one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>places to start would be talking about crabs eating humans,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously that's going to be one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>pressing questions to us the humans, right. Uh, Sure it eats,

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<v Speaker 1>but will it eat me? How delicious am I? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I deserve to be eaten by crabs? Um? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's an understandable question. I mean, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>like we are concerned with with this question with any

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<v Speaker 1>creature on some level, you know, we have to have

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<v Speaker 1>that that that that box checked off or or empty?

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<v Speaker 1>Will it eat me? Uh? Is it incapable of eating me?

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Does it want to eat me? Uh? These are always

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<v Speaker 1>questions that we have about other creatures in the animal

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<v Speaker 1>kingdom and the various horror movies and animal creature flicks

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<v Speaker 1>that we uh we watch. They don't help matters either, because,

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<v Speaker 1>on one hand, we have our giant crab movies in

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<v Speaker 1>which giant crabs, you know, in addition to occasionally wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to take over the world or destroy whole cities, they

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<v Speaker 1>want to grab people with their claws and either try

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<v Speaker 1>to eat them, or it's implied that that crab is

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<v Speaker 1>grabbing you because it wants to eat you, or, in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Attack of the Crab Monsters by Roger Corman,

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<v Speaker 1>not just eat you but also absorb your soul and

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence in so doing. Right, But then, uh, we also

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<v Speaker 1>have countless movies in which we see crabs scavenging, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, crawling around on the corpses of humans who

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<v Speaker 1>have probably been dispatched by some kind of slasher or

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of monster that it itself that it that

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<v Speaker 1>is not concerned with eating the human. Uh. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like a standard scene. And oh goodness, I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to think of specific examples, and I couldn't come up

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<v Speaker 1>with one. But I know I've seen it over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again. Like cut from the you have a dark

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<v Speaker 1>scene with something spooky happening, an attack is um is

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<v Speaker 1>shown or implied, and then it's daylight and cops are

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<v Speaker 1>discovering a body and their crabs on it. I can

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<v Speaker 1>think of two examples. One is in Joy Laws after

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<v Speaker 1>the initial tack attack at the beginning, when they discover

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<v Speaker 1>the body of the first victim on the beach, their

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<v Speaker 1>crabs everywhere, and it makes the police sound sick. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Second one is an even better movie. It is I

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<v Speaker 1>Know What You Did Last Summer, in which there's a

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<v Speaker 1>part where the nineties teen slasher movie where Jennifer Lovehwood

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<v Speaker 1>finds a body in the trunk of her car. She

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<v Speaker 1>did not put it there. I think she's being messed

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<v Speaker 1>with by a killer and it's covered in crabs that

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<v Speaker 1>are presumably scavenging it. So yeah, and I think there

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<v Speaker 1>are various other films. I thought I've seen a Jellow

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<v Speaker 1>film where they're there there crabs on a body. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it makes sense. They're discovering a body, put some

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<v Speaker 1>crabs on it, um and uh, and it'll make it

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<v Speaker 1>a little a little creepier um. And then it it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it does, because it's like this person is

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<v Speaker 1>not only dead, but now they are the domain of

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<v Speaker 1>the crabs. Um. So in thinking about this, though, it

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of a bit of Um. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>folk wisdom that I learned from my mother in law, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is, don't eat crabs after hurricane. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard this before, Joe? I think maybe you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have talked about this off Mike, maybe, Okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was looking around for more on this online,

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<v Speaker 1>and I found some sort of echoes of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did not find enough on it that made me

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<v Speaker 1>satisfied that this is not something that just originated with

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<v Speaker 1>my mother in law or her family, or like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a local area that like her parents were in or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll continue to discuss it here and certainly if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone out there has heard the same thing or is

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<v Speaker 1>privy to the same folk wisdom and has some insight

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>into why it is, uh, well, obviously we would love

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to hear from you. But the notion here seems to be,

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>uh that, Okay, those crabs in the wake of a hurricane,

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>they have been feasting on the flesh of people who

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>died in the storm, and therefore they should be avoided.

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I can understand that. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's I

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>guess a lot of it comes down to the idea

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that if these crabs have been eating humans and we

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>eat those crabs, it's kind of cannibalism by proxy, right, Yeah,

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>And generally we don't eat like a lot of even

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>if we're eating meat, we're not eating carnivores, or we're

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>not eating animals that are that are eating a lot

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 1>of meat. We tend to consume herbivores. Yeah. Well, I

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 1>mean if you're eating seafoods, you're probably eating a lot

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>of cars. Well yes, yes, the seafood for sure. But yeah,

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>but I also I did find some just looking around,

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>I saw some people like asking and some of these

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>like question websites saying is it okay to eat? Like

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>they were kind of applying the same concern to just

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 1>see life in general, like should I be concerned that

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the fish that I'm eating might have themselves eating human flesh?

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a sticky idea, they'll get in your head. Yeah. Yeah.

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>So I decided to look into it a bit more.

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>And I was looking. First of all, I was looking

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 1>at a few different sources in uh. They included Coastal

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Angler magazine and also additions of the Sun Sentinel. Um.

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>And so it's worth remembering that hurricanes are destructive not

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 1>only the humans and human civilization, but they also impact

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>marine environments. This can result in extra dead sea life

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 1>in the water, and that includes crabs. And this can

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>often be due to um reduced dissolved oxygen in the water,

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>rapid salinity changes, and violence surf. And this can certainly

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>impact crabbing as a human enterprise, either by damaging the

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>equipment that's necessary for crabbing or disrupting key crabbing locations.

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>And this applies to other organisms as well. Um. It

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 1>can you know, be especially rough on oyster seed grounds

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 1>for instance. And as far as oysters go, the other

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 1>key issues related to hurricanes and other storms is flood

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:51.400
<v Speaker 1>runoff from the mainland carrying various chemicals into their environment.

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>And as oysters or filter feeders, they can pick up

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 1>those chemicals um and that can then be composed a

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 1>danger to human means consuming those oysters. Uh. And of

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>course there are other potential risks involved with eating raw

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>shellfish as well, But as far as I can tell,

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't really impact crabs so much. Um. But I

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted to look a little bit more about the you know,

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the idea of of corpse eating crabs First of all,

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to sort of check my my assumptions on

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>this and and find out, well it is as true

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>or am I just sort of learning this from movies?

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Do crabs want to eat human bodies? Um? And And

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>luckily you know, there's a lot of material out there

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>in the world of forensics UM in biology UM, human

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>corps in water may be set upon by fish, water, rats, crabs, um,

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>various other creatures. According to UM. One paper was looking

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>at by zerin er Call and Urdum Hoskuler in post

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>mortem animal attacks on human corpses came out and so

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>this applies to shallow water as well as deep water,

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>where crabs will uh may even gnaw the bones that

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>they find down there. Wow, now apparently some crabs are

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be more indiscriminate than others. So yeah, yes,

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, we have to be careful we talk about

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>crabs because if there's not just one type of crab there,

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>they are multitude, and they all have different strategies and

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>different environments and different temperaments. UM. I believe blue crabs

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>in particular are often observed to scavenge human flesh band

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and that probably has to do again with like environments

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>in which law enforcement or finding bodies and bodies are

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>retrieved and uh, and that's gonna happen to be the

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>same environment where the blue crabs are active. Another type

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of crab that we've talked about on the show before,

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the coconut crab. Uh. They seem to generally be game

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>for for anything. So it seems like a safe assumption

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>to say that, yes, you've you've given the opportunity. The

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>coconut crab would feast on human flesh as well, But

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:51.959
<v Speaker 1>as for other species, I would say, check with your

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>local crab. I don't know if they want to eat

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you or not. UM, And a lot of it's gonna

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 1>depend on are you where that crab is, what is

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that crab normally and so forth. Now, I was also

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>looking at an article title Decomposition and Invertebrate Colonization of

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Cadavers in Coastal marine Environments by GAYL. S Anderson from

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, and in this the author points

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>out that um in saltwater environments, crabs, crayfish, and barnacles

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>are generally the most important arthropods from a forensics point

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>of view, and they point out that crabs, especially we'll

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>we'll just get right in there. They'll go for the

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>facial flesh and the eyes, the open orifices of the

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>face are I mean, just think about this practically, Joe,

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>don't to like, if you're gonna start munching on a human, Uh,

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>all those holes in the face, that's just a great

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>place to get started, you know. Yeah, that's the that's

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>like the oysters on a chicken. Yeah, so that's that's

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>generally where they start. But once they get going, apparently

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>they can rapidly d flesh a body. Um. I was

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>looking around to see if I could find some hard

0:30:58.240 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>numbers on that because I know a lot of times

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it is of key interest in forensics. Um, you know, Okay,

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>animals will do this to a body, Scavengers will do

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>this to a body. How long does it take for

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>them to do it? Because then we can time the

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, the death of of this particular individual, or

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>we can time when their body entered this environment. I

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>could not find any any time. That doesn't mean they're

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>not out there. So if you know those, if you

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>haven't to have like a you know, some sort of

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>study that involves a stop watch, a human cadaver and

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of blue crabs, then send it my way.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I would look to take a look at it. Do

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>your personal eco friendly funeral plans involve crabs crab burial?

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, why not? Why not? So I want to

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>come back to the question. Okay, uh So, First of all, okay,

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I think we can say it's safe to say that

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>crabs definitely will de flesh the human form um. Now,

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>as for this idea of there being something bad about

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>eating those crabs after they have tasted human flesh, um, again,

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I think there is a sort of superstitious view there,

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and there's perhaps this you know, revulsion of the idea

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that you might eat something that has eaten people, and

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>then you know, to some extent you are engaging in

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>cannibalism by proxy. Now, where this gets interesting, though, is

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>when you start looking at the subject of cholera and crabs. Um, Joe,

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>had you ever uh were you privy did any of

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>this information before? No? I mean cholera And I know

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 1>cholera is typically a water borne illness that has spread

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>through contamination of water sources by infected people. Yeah, yeah,

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and uh, and so when you think about cholera, you

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>tend to think about. You didn't think about a sewage.

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>You think about you know, you know, poor water treatment,

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>water sources, that sort of thing. UM. But apparently crabs

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and UH and some other shellfish can also UH be

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a means of acquiring cholera. Now as and I was

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>looking around him mostly mostly when we're talking about this,

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about UH some some particular situations. And there

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>have been particular outbreaks that have been linked to the

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:10.239
<v Speaker 1>consumption of crabs that that are infected with cholera um,

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>or at least they have cholera like clinging to the bacterium,

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>clinging to their their shells, UH, to the hard parts

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>of their body. For instance, there was an outbreak in

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>nine in coastal Louisiana and it was blamed on improper

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>storage or cooking of crab the crab and the crab

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and in questions seem to have have you know, the

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>cholera bacterium clinging to it. Apparently there was a similar

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>case in Texas UH previous decades. I was able to

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>find some news footage from the late seventies from like

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>from Louisiana Public television where they were talking about this UH,

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and it was quite interesting because you know, it was

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal. There were a lot of

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>questions like, Okay, what's happening here, Why did these crabs

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>have cholera? Why are people you know, what's going on?

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>And then there was concern over how is it gonna

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>impact the crabbing industry and just people's lives in general. Um,

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and uh, yeah, it was quite interesting because you know,

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to be clear, cholera is generally we think about it

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>as a as a human situation. You know, this is

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 1>where you you find the cholera. Cholra are pathogenic to humans. UM,

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 1>So they're not actually you know, infecting uh, the crustaceans

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>in question here, but it would be a situation of

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>them being in waters infected uh, that that are tainted

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>by cholera or potentially and this seems to be like

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a less firm point. It seems like potentially if you

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>had these crabs coming in contact with the bodies of

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>humans that had cholera, they could partitually get it that way.

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>But it seems like for the most part we're talking

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>about just water that is say, tainted by untreated sewage,

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and and you have people in the population that had

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>cholera contributing to said sewage. I see, So it seems

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>like moral of the story is definitely properly cook your

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>your your seafood. Yes, definitely, that's that's that's a proper storage,

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>proper cooking. Um. And that seemed to be the main

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.240
<v Speaker 1>point they were getting to in this situation. I believe

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 1>based on some of the follow up information was looking

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>at from the CDC, it seems like this had to

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 1>do with UM with with the with pollution of the water,

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:30.240
<v Speaker 1>either due to some sort of a sewage situation, sewage treatment,

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>or sewage run off from something else, potentially something linked

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to U two ships UM but um. Looking also at

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the CDC, they point out, quote, brackish and marine waters

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:46.720
<v Speaker 1>are the natural environment for the ideologic agents of cholera

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 1>H Vibrio colorad UH zero group zero one or zero

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>one three nine. There are no known animal hosts for

0:35:56.080 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Vibrio colorade. However, the bacteria attached themselves easily to chitten

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 1>containing shells of crabs, shrimps, and other shellfish, which can

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>be a source for human infections when eating raw or undercooked. Now,

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 1>I know what you're saying. You're you're probably thinking to yourself, well,

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that still doesn't answer the question can can Does that

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 1>mean you can catch cholera from a crab that eighty

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.479
<v Speaker 1>human being with coolera? I'm still I'm still not sure.

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't but but I don't think any of the

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>evidence is pointing to that being like the primary way

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that you would get sick from, uh, you know, for

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.840
<v Speaker 1>meeting a crab, or that has anything to do with

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>with concerns over eating crabs post hurricane. So I'm not sure.

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. I can't ask my mother in law

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>anymore about this, but I have this suspicion that perhaps

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a kind of like a Cajun stew

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>of like maybe a little bit of folklore in there.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Also maybe a little bit uh, left over stemming from

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>this late seventies um, you know, fear about cholera and

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the crabs. Uh, and you know, perhaps some other stuff

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to on in there as well, um uh. And also

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe she was just you know, messing with me. Yeah nothing.

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's familiar with the ways of the of coastal

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana and so forth. Well, I mean, I would say,

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>whatever the base of this, uh, this piece of advice

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>or folk wisdom is, I would say that it's probably

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>always going to be different. I mean, unless you're in

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 1>some kind of like farmed bond villain scenario, it's always

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>going to be difficult to know whether or not a

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>crab that you have actually acquired to eat like what

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 1>it has been eating in its past. Yeah. I mean,

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>you just never really know if it had eaten a

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>part of a human or not. But the odds are

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:43.439
<v Speaker 1>probably against it. Yeah. Yeah. And um, and in terms

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>of other crab and just crabs in general, like eating humans,

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>like another area to get into as well, would a

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>crab kill a human and eat it? And uh, this

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>does come up from time to time. I think there

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>was you know, largely you know, unproven and to a

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>certain extent at least discredited theory that coconut crabs consume

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to aviator Amelia Earhart, or at least consumed her remains

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 1>after she crashed. Um. Again, I don't think there's any

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.280
<v Speaker 1>proof for this, and and I don't know that anyone

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>is actually arguing that the crab crabs would have killed her,

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 1>but um uh, you you know, it's one of those

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>things where you can make any kind of argument for Okay,

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>what if somebody was sufficiently injured and then crabs came

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>upon them. Could the crabs deal the killing blow? Could

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>the crabs be the one to finish you off? And

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like with the dinosaurs, like could have

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Could crabs kill a dinosaur? Well, I guess so if

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>they had enough of an advantage, uh, you know, if

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the if the prey was severely weakened. Um, But I

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know. It seems kind of pointless to to worry

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 1>about this too much. I mean not to be insulting,

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>but a crab is not really a particularly analytical creature,

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>so I don't think it could size us up and

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 1>figure out what part of the body it needed to

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 1>attack in order to finish us off. We are not

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>part of a crab abs like natural uh you know,

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>habituated diet, so I don't think it would have instincts

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.720
<v Speaker 1>about what part of the body to attack to finish

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>us off. So I would say, if a crab attacks

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>the human is probably just randomly pinching at whatever parts

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of the body it can get at. So my guess

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 1>would be that it would be very unlikely for even

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the most powerful crabs, even your coconut crabs, to to

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>really initiate a successful deadly attack on a human. But

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>there is something about maybe it comes back to that

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>defensive display of the crab. It's so impressive, even though

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.439
<v Speaker 1>it's small, uh, that it just reverberates through the human

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 1>psyche and takes on the form of say, crabs attacking

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>hercules and myth or crabs rising up against humanity in

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Roger Corman films. And so we just get it just

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>shows how effective that display is. We're like, we we

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>know that crabs not actually gonna come over here and

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and and whoop us uh, but but it takes on these, uh,

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.319
<v Speaker 1>these enormous forms in our mind mind right, I mean,

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.919
<v Speaker 1>the the rasp of the gastric mill does not lie.

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 1>There's no reason to go messing around with that thing,

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>putting your fingers into its pinchers and stuff. But I

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.879
<v Speaker 1>am generally curious though, So if anyone out there again,

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.400
<v Speaker 1>if you've heard anything about this, um, this bit of

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a folk wisdom that you shouldn't eat crabs after a hurricane,

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>or that eating crabs that of eating humans is is

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 1>is somehow specifically a bad idea. Uh, fill me in.

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I would love to know more before we move on.

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to say about the coconut crabs thing.

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>I had also come across that people supposedly claiming that

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>that Amelia Earhart was eaten by coconut crabs, really without

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>any evidence to say that. I think people were just

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of guessing, oh, what if this happened. Um. But

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>but that did make me think back on on Charles

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Darwin's comments about how coconut crabs actually being delicious and

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>under their tails having that big mass of fat which

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 1>turned into wonderful limpid oil. Remember that, Oh yes, I

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:00.160
<v Speaker 1>do remember that. Yeah, you know, this reminds me was

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I was looking around, um, you know, doing various searches

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>on fatalities related to coconut crabs, and I did find, um,

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 1>I think a couple that occurred. Uh. And but they

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't have anything to do with crabs attacking people. They

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.280
<v Speaker 1>had to do with the coconut crabs haven't eaten something

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 1>that contained a toxin and then when that crab was

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 1>consumed by humans resulted in fatality. Oh, that would make sense.

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 1>So I think, oh, yeah, ultimately crabs dupos the greatest

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 1>risk to human beings in the form of you know,

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>of of tainted food, of one sort or another, but

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that can be that can be said for a lot

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of things. It's as with our past Thanksgiving episodes on

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>dangerous foods. Um, you know, any kind of if food

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>is cooked improperly or stored improperly, prepared improperly. Um, you know,

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it's it's pretty easy to get into dangerous zone. Oh yeah,

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean one of the points we made repeatedly in

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that series is if you're actually just like tallying up

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>edge cases, all kinds of strange things can seem very dangerous.

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, Uh, improperly washed, packaged greens, bottles of peanut

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 1>butter and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I mean, I'll

0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and throw this out there. Don't try and

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:13.320
<v Speaker 1>eat um a live crab hole. I think you're probably

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:15.320
<v Speaker 1>going to hurt yourself. May have to go to the

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 1>hut of the hospital over that. Yeah, don't go for

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the had restore Crudeau. Yeah, alright. The next example of

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the next course in the crab Feast I wanted to

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 1>talk about is, uh, maybe the I can't remember for sure.

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>This may have been the thing I was reading about

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.399
<v Speaker 1>that gave me the idea to do this episode. Um,

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And this is one where you can actually watch the

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.760
<v Speaker 1>video I'm about to talk about yourself, because the subject

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>here is a field recording that was uploaded by the

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute or in Bari, originally captured

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eleven. You can find it on their

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel now. And this took place on an expedition

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>led by a researcher named Peter Brewer. So the team

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>here was investigating oil seeps and methane hydrates along the

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>seafloor off the coast of British Columbia. Again, this was

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand eleven, so this would have been

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>on in the ocean off the west coast of Canada.

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And methane hydrates are a very strange and fascinating phenomenon.

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I again didn't know a lot about them before I

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 1>started researching for this episode, and this has really captured

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:38.439
<v Speaker 1>my mind. So these are essentially chunks of solid icy

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>material containing large amounts of methane alongside regular water molecules.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 1>So it's got methane gas or H four, which is

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 1>a naturally forming hydro hydrocarbon. Methane is the primary constituent

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 1>of so called natural gas, as well as being a

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>byproduct of bacterial decomposition of organic matter that gets buried

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>down in the sediment at the bottom of the ocean,

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and pockets of natural gas underneath the modern sea floor,

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 1>or just generally any methane content in the sediment or

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the or the bedrock below the ocean. Sometimes the methane

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:19.800
<v Speaker 1>in these pockets get exposed so that gas can escape

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 1>up through little holes or rifts in the in the

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 1>sea floor and float away. But sometimes, under the right conditions,

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 1>methane that escapes from these pockets does not just float away. Sometimes,

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>because of very high pressure at the bottom of the

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 1>water column and extreme cold in the deep ocean, the

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:44.720
<v Speaker 1>methane gas becomes trapped along with water ice in chunks

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of this strange frozen solid. These are methane hydrates, and

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to be clear, the name is a little bit misleading

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 1>because methane hydrates are actually not a new chemical compound

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 1>joining water molecules and methane molecules with chemical bonds. Rather,

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>methane hydrates are what's known in chemistry technically as a

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 1>class rate, which is a composite in which you've got

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>molecules of one kind of substance. In this case, methane

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 1>that are physically trapped within the crystal structure of another

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.399
<v Speaker 1>type of substance, in this case water ice, so little

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>molecules of methane stuck within a lattice structure of water ice.

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>And because of this unusual structure, methane hydrates can make

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 1>a literally flammable ice. So you can have a big

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 1>chunk of this stuff. It looked pretty much like regular ice.

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:40.840
<v Speaker 1>You can set it in a dish on a table,

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.239
<v Speaker 1>but if you hold a match up to it, this

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 1>is ice which will catch on fire and burn. And

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.280
<v Speaker 1>for this reason, methane hydrates are sometimes called fire ice.

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Now it's generally believed today that large amounts of solid

0:45:55.840 --> 0:46:00.319
<v Speaker 1>methane hydrates lie buried in formations underneath the sea floor

0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 1>all around the world, though there's debate about exactly how much.

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 1>According to a range I found given on a page

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 1>by the U S Department of Energy, Fossil Energy and

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Carbon Management site, there could be anywhere from two hundred

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:19.359
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand trillion cubic feet of methane locked up

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 1>in hydrates around the world, from that two hundred fifty

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 1>all the way up to seven hundred thousand trillion cubic feet,

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and these hydrates contain a really dense concentration of hydrocarbons.

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>A claim I've seen cited in a number of sources

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>is that one cubic meter of methane hydrate would typically

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:43.840
<v Speaker 1>contain a hundred and sixty four cubic meters of methane gas,

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>So a very small volume of this solid material, this

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:52.360
<v Speaker 1>icy stuff, the hydrate, if disrupted, will potentially release a

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>ton of gas, which, of course is one reason that

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>methane hydrates have people who think about climate change a

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit can cerned, because it seems that there is

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:06.839
<v Speaker 1>actually a significant amount of potential greenhouse gases that could

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.280
<v Speaker 1>be released into the atmosphere locked up in these solid

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 1>icy forms, and if something causes these solids to melt,

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot more stuff can be released into the atmosphere.

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so these methane hydrates exist in these you know,

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.799
<v Speaker 1>rocky icy formations under the sea floor, but they can

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:29.240
<v Speaker 1>also form spontaneously when methane and very cold water mix

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 1>under high pressure, like at the bottom of the ocean.

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:34.479
<v Speaker 1>So coming back to this video, I was talking about

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the video captured by the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 1>team in two thousand eleven. So they were doing a

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 1>survey for of these methane hydrates and oil seeps at

0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a depth of about one thousand, two hundred and sixty meters,

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and the team came across a rift in the sea

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 1>floor that was producing this steady little trickle of bubbles

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.799
<v Speaker 1>rising towards the surface. And while the researchers were looking

0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:03.840
<v Speaker 1>at the stream of bubbles, suddenly, hey, here comes a crab.

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>It just there's a crab coming into frame, and the

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 1>narrator of the video suggests that the crab may have

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 1>been attracted by the pulsing in the water column at

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the side of the gas bend. But whatever the reason,

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>this crab comes ambling over. It's walking along the bottom,

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and then it comes right up to the hole in

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the ocean floor that the bubbles are coming out of.

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>And then, in the first of a series of real

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>awe buddy moments, it reaches out at the stream of

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 1>bubbles with its claws. It's trying to grab them, very

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:41.720
<v Speaker 1>like you know, dog dog chasing its tail behavior. Presumably

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>it thinks that the movement in the water indicates some

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of potential prey or other food source, and you

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 1>see it repeatedly lunge at the bubble tower with its claws,

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>but of course there's nothing to grab, so it just

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of hugs the bubble jet several times. But then

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 1>from here things start geting weirder, because again, what are

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 1>these bubbles their methane and what can potentially happen to

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 1>methane at this depth and temperature When mixed with water,

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.800
<v Speaker 1>it can turn into methane hydrates. So the narrator of

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 1>this video explains that the methane gas bubbles rapidly form

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>into solid pieces of methane hydrate as they stick to

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.879
<v Speaker 1>the crabs for limbs, so it's you know, reaching out

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.759
<v Speaker 1>to grab the methane bubbles. It thinks their food. Then

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>they the bubbles are freezing into a coating of fire

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 1>ice on this crabs clause and then trying to explain

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:38.360
<v Speaker 1>what happens next, the narrator of this video hypothesizes that

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:42.879
<v Speaker 1>the chemical reaction that transforms the methane gas into these

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:46.759
<v Speaker 1>solid chunks of methane hydrate uh quote may have given

0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the sensation of something slightly warm and mushy. Uh So,

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess this is just supposition on on the researchers part.

0:49:55.200 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>But maybe what they're suggesting here is that the crab thing, oh,

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I've got some kind of potentially delicious organic goo, maybe

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 1>from a dead whale carcass or something, and it's all

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 1>over my claws. Now, so of course, when in doubt

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 1>try it out, you know, better eat it and see

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>if it's good. So the crab begins to try to

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>eat the methane hydrate off of its own claws, and

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this goes very poorly because the hydrate essentially freezes the

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 1>crabs mouth parts or mandibles, which reminds me of that

0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 1>thing where you know, you stick your tongue to a

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:32.640
<v Speaker 1>frozen flagpole, like in that Christmas movie, except I guess

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 1>here the flagpole would be like stuck to your own

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 1>mouth and it would be coming along with you. And

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the narrator of the video actually describes it as quote

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.600
<v Speaker 1>a milk mustache of solid hydrate. Well, now I'm beginning

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:47.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm growing worried for this crab. This that is that

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 1>this has really taken a turn. I know, it went

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 1>from like kind of cute and bumbling to like, oh no,

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen to this crab's mouth? Uh? And

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:58.560
<v Speaker 1>apparently the crab does whatever it's feeling. It does not

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 1>like it at all, So it starts it's trying to

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 1>use its claws to remove the frozen methane coating from

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 1>its mouth, and you can see it's scraping at the

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>solid white mass of hydrate with the tips of its

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>of its claws while shedding flakes of it into the

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>surrounding water. And unfortunately, I do not know the answer

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:20.399
<v Speaker 1>to the question did the crab ever get its mouth

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 1>on frozen I I hope so, but the researchers do

0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 1>not have an answer to offer on this subject. On

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the pessimistic side, the narrator claims that pure methane hydrate

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 1>is twenty times harder than regular water ice, though I

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 1>couldn't find independent corroboration of that fact. But on the

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.799
<v Speaker 1>plus side, that like you can see in the video

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<v Speaker 1>that the crab is doing a decent job scraping pieces

0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 1>of it off, Like you can see the flakes just

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.640
<v Speaker 1>coming off and floating up into the water. So I'm

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna say with crabs, many things are possible, maybe all

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 1>things are possible. And I'm gonna say that it really

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.440
<v Speaker 1>just it. It scraped and scraped and scraped with those uh,

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.439
<v Speaker 1>those spiny tips until until it got its mouth parts

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>free and went on to di scavenge many a human corpse.

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:09.400
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I mean, so this is on top of

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:12.239
<v Speaker 1>being just a strange and interesting example of a crab

0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:15.360
<v Speaker 1>eating something that was not food, because you know, I

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:18.600
<v Speaker 1>think anybody who has a dog will recognize that a

0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:21.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of animals have the impulse of like if if

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 1>something is ambiguously presenting as maybe food, might as well

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>put it in the mouth and give it a try.

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>But on top of that, it also shows an interesting

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.840
<v Speaker 1>thing that we don't usually think about being land levers,

0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>which is the role of naturally forming hydrocarbons as a

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>part of the environment that animals would have to interact

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 1>with every day. You know, on on the sea floor,

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:48.040
<v Speaker 1>there were actually all kinds of ways that organisms regularly

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 1>interact with I don't know what you might call you know,

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>the constituents of the deep earth, uh, from from the

0:52:55.320 --> 0:53:00.200
<v Speaker 1>ecosystems that form around hydrothermal vents to these weird interactions

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 1>between animals and methane hydrates from under the under the

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.720
<v Speaker 1>ground or under the sea floor. Obviously, for the crab

0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 1>in this video, this was at least a very uh

0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:15.920
<v Speaker 1>frustrating and unfortunate random encounter. But some animals actually have

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 1>a much closer and more dedicated evolutionary relationship with these

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:25.840
<v Speaker 1>same substances. With deep sea hydrates gas hydrates like methane hydrate,

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 1>they're actually marine biological communities that appear in some way

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>to depend on methane hydrates for their energy needs. And

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 1>just one example I wanted to mention I found described

0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 1>in a paper from published in the year two thousand

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 1>and uh nat your viscin sho often um by a

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 1>cr fisher at all called methane ice worms hesio ska

0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 1>methanicicola colonizing fossil fuel reserves and rob, I've got an

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 1>image for you to look at while I described this here.

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>But so in this case, the story behind this discovery

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:05.120
<v Speaker 1>was that a bunch of researchers were conducting an exploratory

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 1>dive with a miniature submarine in the Gulf of Mexico

0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>along the sea floor at a depth of fivetys. I

0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:15.799
<v Speaker 1>guess this was in the late nineties sometime, and they

0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:20.320
<v Speaker 1>came across a large gas hydrate, a chunk of this stuff,

0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.399
<v Speaker 1>the fire ice that was They said about one meter

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.759
<v Speaker 1>thick and two meters in diameter, and they said it

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 1>had recently breached the sea floor. So I guess this

0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:32.600
<v Speaker 1>has been this had been some subsurface for a long time,

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and for some reason it had recently been you know,

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 1>berthed up from the bottom of the ocean and was

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.320
<v Speaker 1>now exposed. And this was a big, old chunk of

0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:44.440
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. And then the authors write in their abstract

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:48.360
<v Speaker 1>quote two distinct color bands of hydrate were present in

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the same mound, and the entire exposed surface of the

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:58.400
<v Speaker 1>hydrate was infested with two to four centimeter long worms,

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 1>since described as an new species, and they said the

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:06.839
<v Speaker 1>density of the worms reached individuals for every square meter.

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 1>So this was a previously unknown type of polycyte worm

0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 1>that appeared to make a habitat out of these gas hydrates.

0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>It was originally called uh hesio ska methanic cola. I

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 1>think now it has a different name. I think now

0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the genus is uh sears so s i r s

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 1>o e so sears so methanic cola uh So. This

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 1>would obviously raise the question, if you live around gas

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.439
<v Speaker 1>hydrates at the bottom of the ocean, what do you eat?

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 1>How do you make a living well. Tissue samples were

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 1>consistent with the worms acquiring nutrition from a chemo autotrophic organism.

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 1>That would mean an organism that makes its own energy

0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>by consuming geologic chemicals rather than than by sunlight like

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a photosynthetic organism would. And the authors in this study

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 1>weren't able to prove anything conclusive Lee, but they hypothesized

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:05.760
<v Speaker 1>that these worms, these new worms, were surviving by eating

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 1>chemosynthetic bacteria that colonized the surface of the gas hydrates.

0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:14.000
<v Speaker 1>So there would be bacteria that that form mats on

0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the surface of these frozen methane hydrates that would metabolize

0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:22.800
<v Speaker 1>chemicals contained within them in order for the bacteria to survive,

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:26.120
<v Speaker 1>and then the worms would eat the bacterial mats. And

0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:29.399
<v Speaker 1>then the author's right quote, the activities of the polykeets

0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 1>grazing on the hydrate bacteria and supplying oxygen to their

0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:37.239
<v Speaker 1>habitats appears to contribute to the dissolution of hydrates in

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 1>surface sediments. So I guess this would be one thing

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that explains how these hydrates disappear over time once they're

0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:47.319
<v Speaker 1>exposed on the bottom of the ocean. But rob I've

0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:49.440
<v Speaker 1>also attached to an image for you to look at.

0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:53.759
<v Speaker 1>That's uh, I believe this is a micrograph close up

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:56.520
<v Speaker 1>of the face of one of these polykeet worms that

0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:59.879
<v Speaker 1>lives on the hydrate. It is absolutely terrifying. It looks

0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:03.440
<v Speaker 1>like some sort of a dark destroyer unleashed from a shadows.

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 1>It has a kind of bristling fuzziness, which you would

0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 1>think would make it a little more cuddly, but actually

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>makes it worse. Yeah, though those fibers are not for cuddling,

0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 1>you can tell. And it looks like it has this

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 1>enormous mouth to like just suck down dreams. Very very true.

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's mouth, I would say it's mouth actually

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 1>looks like if you ever see those um endoscopic images

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:29.880
<v Speaker 1>of of the larynx or the voice box. Yeah, it

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 1>also reminds me it has the mouth of some of

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>the more terrifying muppets. I think you know where their

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 1>mouth is kind of articulated bad, Yes, like the the

0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 1>hippiup aliens that has that kind of thing going on.

0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, the Hippiepps are so evil. All right, Well,

0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna have to call it right there

0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 1>for part one, but we will definitely be back next

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:53.000
<v Speaker 1>time to continue the crab feast. What will happen when

0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:56.800
<v Speaker 1>crabs put other things in their mouths while their mouths freeze?

0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Will they find it delicious? Um? You'll just have to

0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.960
<v Speaker 1>tune in to find out. The world is a buffet

0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and the customers or crabs all right? Uh? In the meantime, yes,

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 1>certainly right in let us know where your thoughts are

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:15.280
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0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:17.400
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