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Speaker 1: here to start and kick off today's show. Maddy's been

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Speaker 1: Big news off the top here. NFL and the NFL

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Speaker 1: the pass, both up front and in the back end.

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Speaker 1: And when the team doesn't want to throw it and

432
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: they get in there and run it. They're they're forcing

433
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Speaker 1: your defense to play left handed. And the Bills couldn't

434
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,719
Speaker 1: get that done well enough. This last year. They were

435
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: still pretty good, the Bills. You know, all but one

436
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: of the Bills losses was by single digits, so they

437
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 1: were still pretty good. But that's the way this team's built.

438
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Speaker 1: And every team's gonna have their flaws. And for the Bills,

439
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: I think they've built this and I think they're going

440
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Speaker 1: to continue to build it around an offense that they

441
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Speaker 1: expect to score in the load to high thirties, and

442
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: they expect their defense to be defending an offense that's

443
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Speaker 1: trying to keep up. Yeah, other NFL news and notes

444
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: not a lot like we thought. There might be some

445
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: quarterback chatter here, and it's looking more and more like

446
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's going to stay put. Well, yeah, that's the

447
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: guy that's got all the buzz right because well, for

448
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Speaker 1: two reasons. Number one, it looks like the quarterbacks that

449
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: everybody thought might be on the move are gonna probably

450
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: stay put. I mean, Pete Carroll is up at the

451
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Speaker 1: podium yesterday getting questions thrown at him about Russell Wilson,

452
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Speaker 1: and he says teams have called, but we're not interested

453
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Speaker 1: in trading him. And you know, what are you gonna

454
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Speaker 1: have to do? I suppose if somebody bowls them over

455
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Speaker 1: with the offer, it could change the conversation. But it

456
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Speaker 1: looks like they're going to hold on to him. All

457
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Speaker 1: indications are the Packers are preparing a short term extension

458
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Speaker 1: to keep Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, so it doesn't

459
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Speaker 1: look like he's going anywhere. And even on the Deshaun

460
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Speaker 1: Watson front, which is so convoluted, I didn't even want

461
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Speaker 1: to get into it, but the Dolphins yesterday GM Chris

462
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Speaker 1: Career said the door is effectively shut on any interest

463
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Speaker 1: the Dolphins organization may have in Deshaun Watson. They're moving

464
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Speaker 1: forward with Tua, which for me is a good thing

465
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Speaker 1: for Mike McDaniel because that guy's just got to put

466
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Speaker 1: his head down and get to work with Tua, who,

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Speaker 1: interestingly enough, yesterday, when he was asked about two, has

468
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: said there are still parts of to his game that

469
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Speaker 1: he feels have been untapped. We think he's getting at

470
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Speaker 1: with that. Steve, I don't know, do you know, like

471
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Speaker 1: are gonna run him? Well, No, and his arm suddenly

472
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Speaker 1: isn't gonna enable him to throw at sixty yards down

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Speaker 1: the field. So I don't know what Mike McDaniel's getting

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Speaker 1: at unless he's talking pure gimmicks, unless gimmickless, they're talking

475
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Speaker 1: to different type offense where it's you know, the read

476
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: option or the you know the RP. Are you doing

477
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Speaker 1: that with two? You're gonna put him out there to

478
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Speaker 1: get hit by linebackers and safeties break him in half.

479
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: I've said this too, and I said, we had this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking the Bills, if they're gonna go defense or

481
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Speaker 1: defensive line, they're gonna take a big dude down inside

482
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Speaker 1: and stuff the run. Because you got two quarterbacks in

483
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Speaker 1: the division, Mac Jones and two a Tango Violoa. They

484
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: need to run the football well to be effective. They

485
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: can't drop back forty times in a game and win.

486
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Speaker 1: And so the Bills by putting a guy like this

487
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Speaker 1: Jordan Davis from Georgia inside, that negates that. And all

488
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you're you're forcing those two quarterbacks

489
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Speaker 1: to drop back more than they would normally do it.

490
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Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's a strategy, and that's how

491
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Speaker 1: you win that's how you win. So untapped parts of

492
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Speaker 1: two a tongue Boloh's game. If you can find it,

493
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Speaker 1: let me know. Yeah, I'll wait and see what. Michael

494
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: Daniel's an IVY league grad, so maybe he can figure

495
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: it out and more power can. But yeah, he was

496
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Speaker 1: an IVA league. I don't think he was a football

497
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Speaker 1: IVY league major. He might have been a you know, pr.

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Speaker 1: I think he was a why I think he was

499
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Speaker 1: a wide, A backup wide receiver. Yeah, listen, I it's

500
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Speaker 1: to me that's salesmanship. I don't think that's reality. But

501
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Speaker 1: I'll wait and so do you think he was just

502
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Speaker 1: putting on a good yes, public faith and he's making

503
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Speaker 1: sure toa likes him, because that's a high bar to set, like, oh,

504
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Speaker 1: we've got we've got an untapped potential in two. I

505
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: was like, all right, dude, he came out of Alabama

506
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Speaker 1: and they do everything down there. They're not gonna so yeah, Nick,

507
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: come on, I mean, you have these high flying offenses

508
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: in the AFC, and the AFC East could look very

509
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: different compared to how the rest of the AFC plays, because,

510
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Speaker 1: like you guys just said, some of these AFC East

511
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: teams need to have a run game to have a

512
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: dog in the fight because their quarterbacks just don't have

513
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Speaker 1: the arm to compete and carry the team. You bring

514
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: up Jordan Davis, People like Ed Oliver needs someone next

515
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Speaker 1: to him to be able to reach his full potential,

516
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: and the Bills are going to have to change and shift,

517
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: like we know, game by game according to who you're playing,

518
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: and stopping the run has been something that they've struggled

519
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: with on and off throughout the last couple of seasons. Really,

520
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: the key with Jordan Davis is going to be in

521
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Speaker 1: the evaluation and what that means is how many NFL

522
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Speaker 1: clubs see him strictly as a two down player, A

523
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Speaker 1: guy you're putting on the field for second and two,

524
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: you know, first and five, after a penalty, obvious rundown situations.

525
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Speaker 1: You got him on the field for obvious reasons. When

526
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Speaker 1: it's second and ten, Do you still think he's a

527
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Speaker 1: good enough athlete to stay on the field when you

528
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: know that team's throwing the ball. Some teams will say

529
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Speaker 1: yes in their evaluation, some teams will say no, how

530
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: many and are what company are the Bills in on that?

531
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Speaker 1: Because to some teams in what is becoming more and

532
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: more a passing league, that means a lot. That means

533
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot because when you have a two down player

534
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Speaker 1: on the field, opposing offenses sometimes will scheme around that

535
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: and victimize you because you have him on the field.

536
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Speaker 1: So the evaluation is going to be a critical part

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Speaker 1: of where Jordan Davis comes off the board. It only

538
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: takes one team to really really like him and say

539
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: that's a three down guy. He's gonna recomposing offenses. We

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00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: love him, We're taking him twentieth done. The question is

541
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Speaker 1: for a lot of guys, does Jordan Davis have a

542
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Speaker 1: motor that runs hot enough to keep him on the

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Speaker 1: field for three downs? Is he's smart enough and committed

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00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: enough to learn how to rush the passer? And it's

545
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Speaker 1: from the inside. And it's interesting you say that because

546
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: they were sec offenses this past year. When they saw

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Speaker 1: him on the field, they threw it they uh huh,

548
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: they ran tempo. Oh yeah, they picked it up and

549
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: gassed him out and he had to come off the field.

550
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: So that's another concern that you have the factor in

551
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: there because you know how much offense has changed the

552
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: tempo in this league. And I'll say this too, he

553
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: it was it was. I read an article too that

554
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: teams deliberately threw the ball when he got on the

555
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: field in early downs and they crossed him up. Whenever

556
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: he was on the field, they would throw because the

557
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: guy they brought in instead of him on passing downs

558
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: was a was a really good pass rushing. I mean

559
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: they were stacked with pass rushes at Georgia, so they

560
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: would deliberately throw the ball when he was on the

561
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Speaker 1: on the you know, they would cross it up if

562
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: he's that good that an offense will change its play

563
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: selection when he's on the field. He's pretty good. But

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Speaker 1: to your point, can he play at an NFL level

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00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: for three downs on the football field and he's versatile

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Speaker 1: enough and committed enough to do it? And I'll say

567
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Speaker 1: this in his defense, and guys like him, you know,

568
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: they've always got these questions. They're so gifted, so big

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Speaker 1: and so strong. People don't understand what is asked to

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00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: those guys like Starlotu Lal and Harrison Phillips. They are

571
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: virtually every time in a bar and you know they're

572
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: in sixty bar fights a game. A game against two guys,

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00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: it's me on two, yeah, and it is a grind

574
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: like no other. And those guys you know when when

575
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: when it gets deep into their there, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: to ask a guy to light his fire and play

577
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: sixty plays like that, seventeen games in a row, eighteen

578
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: weeks in a row. Um, it is a hard, hard

579
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Speaker 1: job and it's brutal. So I don't I get it.

580
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: Why guys you know they'll take a playoff or they're

581
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: they'll you know, take me out on third down. Because

582
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: you need to break mentally as much as you do. Yeah, Maddie,

583
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us here and ke giving us to

584
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Speaker 1: four one one on what's going on around behind us?

585
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: Now again, keep firing off pointing questions so we can

586
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: get good answers from everybody. I will be doing that.

587
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: The cornerbacks talk on Saturday. I wish they talked to me.

588
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: They're always last. I don't know why they do that.

589
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: They're always last, and it's a premium position. But no

590
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: offense to tight ends. Put them on Saturday. All right,

591
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: we gotta take a break because when we come back

592
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Speaker 1: it will be Chargers GM. Tom Tallesco, the Hamburg, New

593
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: York Natives, Saint Francis High School grad will be joining

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Speaker 1: us next here on One Bills Live, presented by Kalid

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Speaker 1: to Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, Tom, good

596
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: to have you um back in some old stomping grounds

597
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: for you from earlier in your career. I'm sure you

598
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade it in for LA weather. But still a

599
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: pretty good week weatherwise. I mean, this is like balmy

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00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: for us. We're not even wearing jackets out here. This

601
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: has got to be the warmest combine I've been coming

602
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: right in nineteen ninety five, except for last year during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. It's the warmest week we've had since I've

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Speaker 1: been here. For this week, I mean we've had flights

605
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Speaker 1: canceled out of here during the comp. This is unheard of.

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Speaker 1: So good to have you though, Good to see you,

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00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: Good to be sitting next to you like something. We're

608
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: still getting used to that. Exactly what are your LA

609
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: fans expecting from you guys this week? What kind of

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00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: message you are you looking to give? Well? The message

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Speaker 1: you know this year we have we have a lot

612
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: of draft picks. We're gonna get some comp picks, so

613
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna be I don't know, nine ten eleven. We'll

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00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: see where it ends up. We have some cap space

615
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: that we haven't had in a long time. So we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of resources this offseason, which we need. Um.

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Speaker 1: I thought we had a good year last year. We

618
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: had a good football team, but not good enough getting

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. So we still have work to do. We

620
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Speaker 1: have some resources to do it. We'll be in the

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Speaker 1: second year with Brandon Staley's program with this system on

622
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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. Think that's going to help.

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Speaker 1: So we got a lot of work through this offseason.

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Speaker 1: I think for those people that don't pay attention to

625
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Speaker 1: the numbers, and I usually pay attention to the numbers,

626
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: and this one still caught me off guard. Justin Herbert

627
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: one of two quarterbacks to pass for five thousand yards

628
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Speaker 1: last season. The other guy who was a guy named

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I don't know, maybe you've heard of him.

630
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Speaker 1: How does your offensive staff balance Herbert's ability to clearly

631
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: take over a game if necessary, while not putting too

632
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: much on his plate and kind of siphoning out some

633
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: of the burdens so it's not all on him. Yeah,

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00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: and we'll see. So, you know, we had a brand

635
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Speaker 1: new staff this past year, so we had a whole

636
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: new offense to learn, so but one of the things

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Speaker 1: we loved about Justin when we drafted him is high aptitude,

638
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: very smart, book smart and football smart, great preparation skills,

639
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: work ethic. It means a lot to him because he

640
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: had to put a lot of work in this offseason.

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00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: Now you know, new voices in the room, really a

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00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: new system. Plus it's natural to have that you had

643
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: a great rookie year, a lot of expectations. That stuff

644
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to bother them at all. And he had

645
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: a great year this past year. But now this second year,

646
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: I think we can probably add a little more to

647
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: his plate than we had last year. It would kind

648
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: of see where we were, what he likes, what he

649
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't like, what fit well for him, what didn't. So

650
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: we'll be able to add more this year to him.

651
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: He can handle as much as as we want to

652
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: give him. I want to make sure it's a fishing

653
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: with it. Though. Give us some insight. Is to the

654
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: feedback and the conversations you've had with Coach Staley about

655
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: you know what's next, what are we going to do

656
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: next year as a staff and an organization to help

657
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, Herbert and the roster, it's already pretty good.

658
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: But you know what direction you guys want to take

659
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: or feel like you need to fix or maybe improve

660
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: upon or maybe change directions. Sure, like an offense that's

661
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: want to make sure we can protect him and have

662
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: enough weapons of different styles that we can use our

663
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: Joe Lombardi's offensive coordinator. I want to make sure he

664
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: has a menu that he can go to, have different

665
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: styles of backs, different styles of receivers, tight ends that

666
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: all kind of fit and protect the quarterback. So it's

667
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, pretty simply forward, straightforward. Yeah, defense, we have

668
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: to make some improvements there, um, just trying to get

669
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: the ball back to our quarterback. I think some of

670
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: that will come just to second year, the system was

671
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: a completely different defense. We ran got to make sure

672
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: our players fit in this defense the right way. We

673
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: probably have to add something from the out side in

674
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: free agency, um and kind of see where that goes.

675
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: Get some more development from our younger players. But we

676
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: have to pick a bigger step on defense this year

677
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: with this you know, third down, red zone for us,

678
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: we're tough last year. We have to get better there.

679
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: How difficult is it to play defense in today's NFL?

680
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean all these teams are in play, especially in

681
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: the AFC. Yeah, all these quarterbacks. It's a thirty point

682
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: a week league for offenses, and you got to slow

683
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: people down. And you know, weren't a tough division obviously,

684
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: but you have to find ways to slow people down

685
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and turn the ball over. That's the big as that's

686
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo does such a great job with his turnovers, forcing

687
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: turnovers with their aggressive style to play both with their

688
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: front and their coverage. But yes, slow people downestly. You

689
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: just can't try now score everybody all the time. The

690
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: great thing about Brandon Staley is you know he's he

691
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: came up as a defensive coach. He played offensive college.

692
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback in college. He can really see the

693
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: game through the quarterback's eyes, but also through a defensive coordinator,

694
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: which I love to have both sides of that. He

695
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: has great conversations with Justin Herbert on what he sees.

696
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: So M just trying to combine that all together. We're

697
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: seeing more and more of this tim and you know,

698
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: maybe you and some others in this league might have

699
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: been ahead of the curve a little bit on this,

700
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: but more and more teams are gravitating to the premium

701
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: positions in round one, pass rushers, quarterback, corner, offensive tackle.

702
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: I realize there are always going to be exceptions. I mean,

703
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: you guys drafted Derwin James a few years ago at

704
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: the safety position in round one. But is all of

705
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: that rooted in wanting to hold onto those premium positions

706
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: an extra year with that fifth year built into those

707
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: first round picks. Is that where it all comes from

708
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: when that was put into places? I guess a little bit.

709
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: But the bigger thing is those premium positions cost a

710
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: lot of money on the open market. So if you

711
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: have a premium player at a premium position on a

712
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: rookie contract for four years, that's really helpful. You know,

713
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: drafting a left tackle financially in a seller CAP's much

714
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: more efficient than trying to get one in free agency,

715
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: where you're spending over twenty million a year on a tackle.

716
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: So that those are the positions, you know, between left

717
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: tackle and corner and pass rusher, you'd like to get

718
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: those in a draft if you can. Um, there's other

719
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: positions that a little more financially you can handle on

720
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Saturday camp if you have to go out and free

721
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: to see and get that. So um, that's the thought

722
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: press behind, and plus the fact that the premium position

723
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: are usually hard to find. Usually you'd have to take

724
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: them up high. You know, you're not going to find

725
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, franchise left tackles in the

726
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: fourth round. Have we seen the pendulum swing? But you know,

727
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: the wide receivers and it was a premium position you got.

728
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: You got all these quarterbacks, you need guys that you

729
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: know you need weapons. But you're getting like eight or

730
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: ten of them a year in the draft. I mean there,

731
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: we've been necked deep in quality receivers and they're being

732
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: productive right out of the package. You know, just they're

733
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: brand new and they're just they're working like veterans. As

734
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: that kind of put a roof on the urgency of

735
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: that position to get one. It seems like there's more. Um,

736
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it seems like there are more, and

737
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: I think we see it. I'm seeing it now because

738
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: my two sons are in high school. Um, you know,

739
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: high schools they throw the ball so much more than

740
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: certainly then when you played right and even when I

741
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: played seven on seven camps everywhere. Yeah, right now they're

742
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: in seven on seven, They're they're passing leagues every weekend,

743
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: there's tournaments. Um, they're playing year round. They're throwing the

744
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: ball much more. Um. All the skill guys are kind

745
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: of gravitating to receiver, which is why my kids are

746
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: playing defense. You know, they're playing safety and corner because

747
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: because I got Division three football jeans and our in

748
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: our families, nothing wrong with but uh, but yeah, we're

749
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: seeing you know, quarterbacks and receivers are coming in the

750
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: league and producing in a high level much earlier than

751
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: they used to. Even and when we drafted Reggie Wayne

752
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, he was as polished a college as a

753
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: receiver as we had seen. His first year was tough. Yeah,

754
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: it was tough, Like you know, he had he was

755
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: dropping balls in training camp. We didn't understand why, and

756
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: it was really him just thinking and you know, you know,

757
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: Peyton really putting a lot of work on him. Um

758
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: to the fact that we went out and signed a

759
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: free agent to try and you know, help the group

760
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: a little bit as Reggie kind of came along and

761
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: then Reggie took off from there. Hopefully he's in the

762
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Um, But you know that wasn't that

763
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: long ago. It took Reggie some time to get going. So, yeah,

764
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: the way it is right now, with these receivers coming

765
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: in the league, you can get receivers first, second, third round,

766
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: even sometimes fourth round. They're gonna come in and just

767
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, I know you've got a good one in Herbert,

768
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: as we've mentioned, who seems to be on maybe a

769
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: similar trajectory here. But do you think Josh Allen has

770
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: put himself on a level with Mahomes in light of

771
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: what he put on film last season? Is he right there?

772
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: Or you know, I don't have levels or rankings, but

773
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: I know he's really really good. I mean, they're just

774
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: there's not many like like him that I've ever seen.

775
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I remember when we played Buffalo,

776
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: I think it was two years ago. After pregame warm

777
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: ups were walking into the tunnel. There's only one tunnel there.

778
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: It just so happened that Josh is walking in next

779
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: to Justin Herbert's shoulder shoulder, and Justin's big yeah, and

780
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Josh is really big, like Josh looks like he's thick, yeah,

781
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: any but he's athletic, and he's smart, and he's got

782
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: a big arm, and I just love the temple that

783
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: he plays with. He looks like a great leader. You know,

784
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm not there all the time. Obviously I'm not there

785
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: at all, but I haven't seen him behind the scenes,

786
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: but it just seems like a great guy to play for.

787
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: But his skills are just it's hard to fathom where

788
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: they are physically, and that you know, how he throws

789
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: about the way he's been able to hone those skills

790
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: because he wasn't a polished, correct you know, talent coming out. Well,

791
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: he was a talent, but he wasn't polished. And the

792
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: strides that he has made to work on his own game,

793
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: that's how do you how do you mind for that

794
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: in players when you're sitting here and interviewing guys at

795
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: the combine to say, is this guy gonna put into

796
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: work to reach his full potential? You know, I was

797
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: asked that earlier this morning, And that's a lot of

798
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: the work the scouts do as far as trying to

799
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: get the intangibles of the player, what his preparation skills, like,

800
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: how much does he love it, what's his passion, the

801
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: work ethic part of it. Can he improved? Really? Take coaching,

802
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: so you take if a player like Josh obviously has

803
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: all those skills. You pair him with a coaching staff

804
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: that can really teach, you know, Brian Dable being one

805
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: of those, you know, and you'll see the player grow. Now,

806
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: are we right all the time on all those intangibles? Now,

807
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: no or not? It's hard. It's hard to kind of

808
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: gauge those. But you have, especially the quarterback position, you

809
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: have to have all those preparation during the week, watching film.

810
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: That's where the games are made. The physical skills. There's

811
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot of physically talented quarterbacks Insteague, but it's all

812
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: the other things you do to make that game on Sunday.

813
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: It's a little bit easier still wanting to do it

814
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: after you get paid, like, because a lot of those

815
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: guys see that as the means to the end, not

816
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: something beyond that, like the Hall of Fame or something. Yes, yeah, yeah,

817
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: you gotta have all that. Justin Herbert comes in, He

818
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: sat there for a minute and watched how he was

819
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: in right away when you know, the thing happened with

820
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: Tyrod a little happenstance, but it couldn't have gone better.

821
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: He was one of the few guys Justin and now

822
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: we've seen Joe Joe Burrow do the same thing. Quarterbacks coming.

823
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: We talked about white House coming in a little more polished.

824
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks are too, and the pro game has gotten

825
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more like college, where they're letting these

826
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: guys run around there, you know, and they're a little

827
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: more free wheeling, and the league has loosened up the

828
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: defensive rules a little bit too. Let it happen give

829
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: us an idea of maybe the type of guy and

830
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: how the quarterback position has changed in the evaluation process

831
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: leading up to you. Oh, you know you want a

832
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: hard worker and a guy who's smart and all that.

833
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: What else has changed about evaluating these guys? Well, I

834
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: guess it's probably different team to team. But taking some

835
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: concepts from college that that that quarterback was successful and

836
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: then you know, running at our level, um a lot

837
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: of the things that we run, it seems like things

838
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: start in high school. They worked their way to college,

839
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: and they worked their way to us. The probably the

840
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: worst thing we can do is, you know, draft a

841
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: player and then try and try and fit a square

842
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: peg in a round hole and hole and ask them

843
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: to do something to maybe he's not going to be

844
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: successful at But taking some of those concepts from college

845
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: and our game has gotten more spread out, certainly than

846
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: the last ten years. That's really from the college game,

847
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: and you know, try and make them successful and not

848
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: try and change them. Now. They are who they are now.

849
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: Everyone's a little bit different. They all have their strengths weaknesses.

850
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: But you know, I think we see a lot of

851
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: coordinators now taking a lot of things from the college game,

852
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: and that's why some of these younger players are playing

853
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: earlier than usual. And last one I got for you, Tom,

854
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, and this came upon me as I was

855
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: watching the divisional playoff that unfortunately the Bills dropped to

856
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: the Chiefs this past season. The Chiefs put so much

857
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: speed on the field that even if you have a

858
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: sound fundamental defense, which I think most would agree the

859
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Bills have, speed can still beat it. Even when it's

860
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: playing the most fundamentally sound football it can play, speed

861
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: can still beat it. How much does that dynamic, which

862
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: still exists, I think we would all agree in the AFC,

863
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: how much does it push the skill of speed up

864
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: the priority list when evaluating prospects for teams in the

865
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: AFC That no, probably sooner or later, and especially guys

866
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: in your case, they got to face him twice year.

867
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: Have to face that speed and try to beat it.

868
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: The one interesting thing about Kansas City is like with

869
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: Tyree Hill, like there's a lot of fast guys in

870
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: our league, he's just different. It's hard to different. It's

871
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: hard to be a fast guy in a fast league. Yeah,

872
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: but that's exactly so sometimes he's got to live for

873
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: the next down. You know, you just got to make

874
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: a tackle, just get him down, try and get to

875
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: the next down. But no, it's it's you know, we're

876
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: all looking for beat at all positions. You have to

877
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: have it. You can't really be a big slow defense

878
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: anymore because the game is so spread out. But there

879
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: are certain players in this league, and there's not many

880
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: of them that it doesn't matter how fast you are.

881
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: They get the ball in space, like Tyreek Hill. You

882
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: know you're getting ready to receive the next kickoff, So

883
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: you just gotta get to the next down. That's really

884
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: what it comes down to and rush the passer. Right.

885
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Tom, thanks for the time. We know

886
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: you got a busy week. Good luck at your world,

887
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: good luck in the draft. All right, appreciate it. That's

888
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: Tom to Let's go GM of the Los Angeles Chargers,

889
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: also a Hamburg native and a Saint Francis grad. All right,

890
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: that's GM Tom to let'sco from the Chargers. Glad he

891
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: was able to carve out some time for us. We

892
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: will take a break step and I'm back with more.

893
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Here live at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. It's One

894
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: Bills Live, presented by Collid to Health. This is Buffalo

895
00:42:43,840 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. All right, welcome back, One Bills Live. Chris Brown,

896
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you. We're going to be joined by

897
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Draft analyst Todd McShay shortly as uh, we

898
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: get the four one one on some of the draft

899
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: prospects and wide receivers. Weighing in today Steve Jamison Williams

900
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: from Alabama, who, as we know, toward his ACL in

901
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: the National Title game, weighs in it one seventy nine

902
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: bizarre a six one two. So you know, well, he's

903
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: a bean pole. Yes, so body type one's tall, one

904
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: hundred seventy nine is light. That's not a good thing.

905
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: He's slight, dram He's tall and long, but he's slight frame.

906
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: I know. But and they and we were, you know,

907
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland in the podcast this week talked to us about,

908
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, the parameters within you know, the elite players

909
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: fall within. Um. You can be great with anybody type,

910
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: but you've got to be able to be durable and

911
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to withstand the physical nature

912
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: of the game. If you can do that, you can

913
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: play no matter what your body looks like or what

914
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: your your measurements are. So you can't disqualify on that.

915
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: You gotta look at the tape. See what he's done,

916
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: See how he's played against physical opponents, Watch him get tackled,

917
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: and see if he was stood it. Okay, well, yeah,

918
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: people wondered about DeVante Smith when he came out of Alabama,

919
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: same school whispered. But you know he got through the

920
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: rigors of the season and with the Eagles and was

921
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: a producer for them. Right, So it can be done.

922
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: But you're right, there is something about it that gives

923
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: you the idea that in a game where guys push

924
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: and pull and kind of you know, everybody's trying to

925
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: man handle everybody, he can still be productive. And that's

926
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: that's what you really need to get have proven to you. Right,

927
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: So we'll see and we're gonna talk to topic Shae

928
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: about some of these body types at wide receiver because

929
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: some of these guys at the top, Steve Well, they're

930
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: not big at all, like Chris Lave Jahan Dotson from

931
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: Penn State. These guys go one seventy five one eighty

932
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: on a good day with pads on. Chris Alave was

933
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: listed at five eleven a buck eighty. He's five eight.

934
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: You can't hide when they lyne you up there and

935
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: put the little square thing on your head. You don't

936
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: you don't have five eight. So there's some of that

937
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: that goes on. He was listed five eleven, he's five eight. Yeah,

938
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: so that will be like, uh, you know, but the

939
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: tape doesn't lie and his production is a real thing,

940
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: so you know that's not in and of itself gonna

941
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: like have him throw the guy out of the draft

942
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: at all. So um. But there's also another thing about

943
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: these wide receivers, Brownie, that that's new and it's it's

944
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: been around for a while, but it's starting to be

945
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: a thing. Slot receivers have different parameters than outside guys, right,

946
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: so those and if they have the skill set, that

947
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: size parameter is a different one than it is for

948
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: the number one on outside receivers like aj Green, Julio Jones, right,

949
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: and there were you know you have other these other kids.

950
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: You know. We had a caller on the show last

951
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: week who was asking about Calvin Austin, who many project

952
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: in the third round out of Memphis. He weighs in

953
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: today and five eight one seventy nine and a quarter

954
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: inch hands, which I that's those are large hands for

955
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: a short guy. But five eight one seventy you better

956
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: be fast as lightning man or be able to separate

957
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: and know because Isaiah McKenzie is a small guy that

958
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: has been for the most part durable. So that's good. Right.

959
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: They can do it and it gives them there sometimes

960
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: it gives them an advantage, you know, because they can

961
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: move fast and hide out in traffic and pop out

962
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: in the in the goal. So yeah, the size alone,

963
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: it's a there's no hiding from now. Everybody knows the

964
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: truth and you can go from there. All right, We

965
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: have to break now because ESPN NFL Draft analyst Tod

966
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: McShay joins us next here on one Bills Live presented

967
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: Boy Allott of Health Buffalo Bills Radio add a Steve Tasker,

968
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: who has been all over the field. Kind of unique.

969
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you. Steve,

970
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the straded beer

971
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: of normalcy. All right here we are our number two

972
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: one Bills live live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indie.

973
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and join now by

974
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Draft Analyst one. Todd McShane joining us, guys,

975
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: latest mock out. Thanks for giving us some time. We

976
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: know this is a supremely busy week for you, so

977
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: thanks for a few minutes. Why don't we just start

978
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: with the mock right off the bat? Here your last

979
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: one in a series. Know they keep you on it

980
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: all the time. Hey give us a new one, Todd,

981
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Hey give us a new one, Todd. Here's like February fifteenth. Yeah,

982
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: it feels like a century again. So a couple of

983
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: weeks in the review mirror. But nonetheless you go cornerback

984
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: from Clemson Andrew Booth for the Bills, which certainly makes

985
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because you got Tredevious White coming

986
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: off an ACL may not be ready right at the

987
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: start of the season. Levi Wallace a free agent, and

988
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: Dan Jackson did some nice things in tradevious White's absence

989
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: for them, but corner is probably a position they're gonna

990
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: have to get on the ball with pretty quickly. Yeah,

991
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: and the good news is if it is corner that

992
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: they want to go. And obviously, like most teams, it's

993
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: gonna be dictated by by which players are on the board.

994
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: But there should be talent there. I mean everyone's gonna

995
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: talk about I'm a sauce gardener to the corner from Cincinnati,

996
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: and Derek Stingley from LSU and UM, and then after

997
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: that Trent McDuffie the corner from Washington. But then there's

998
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: there's still a group of probably two three other guys

999
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: that are really good players that could be in that range.

1000
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: Booth being one of them who's law athletic. He's gonna

1001
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: run well here, played better as his career went on,

1002
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: and had I think his best game of the last

1003
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: regular season game for UM for Clempson against South Carolina.

1004
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Two interceptions in that game, all over the field. So

1005
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. But Kyler Gordon, that's the

1006
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: guy Island. The record record's gonna skip when he works

1007
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: out here. It's it's crazy he's got this interesting background.

1008
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: I want to say, it's like jiu jitsu. Careful saying

1009
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: that name on the radio, uh um, and like dancing

1010
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And you could see like the

1011
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: flexibility that he has. But he's gonna run the fourth threes.

1012
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: He's got good arm length, he's flexible, he's explosive. So

1013
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: that Washington's good. There's a chance because I mean, there's

1014
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: three other corners that are gonna come off the board.

1015
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: But that's the range I think, like twenty to twenty five,

1016
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: twenty seven, I would say from the anticipate. I know

1017
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: it's impossible to say, but what's your gut tell you

1018
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: about teams who are ready to move around in the

1019
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: first round? Is there anybody who is there a team

1020
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: with enough need, enough draft capitol, and a player who

1021
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: could maybe fall to the point where they draft, you know,

1022
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: is there anybody's gonna make a big move? That's I wonder,

1023
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: you know. And this is just speculation, but it kind

1024
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: of put in the pieces together. One like if Matt Corrall,

1025
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: let's say he's the third quarterback coming out of All

1026
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: miss If you start to look at it from twenty

1027
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: one to thirty one, there isn't a team that has

1028
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback need outside of Tampa. But Tampa drafted a

1029
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: quarterback in the second round last year, Kyle Trask from Florida.

1030
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: And if they're gonna bring in new blood, if it's

1031
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: not Tom Brady, who's kind of, you know, dancing around

1032
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: and leaving implications everywhere. But if it's if it's not Brady,

1033
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: I think it would be a veteran. So my point

1034
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: is from twenty one to thirty one, there's no quarterback

1035
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: kneedy team. And you've got some other teams that are

1036
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: sitting in the second round, like if the Falcons don't

1037
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback with that eighth pick, if Denver doesn't

1038
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback with the ninth pick, could one of

1039
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: those teams then jump back in maybe with Buffalo or

1040
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: maybe just ahead of Buffalo to go get a quarterback

1041
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: which wouldn't obviously affect you you all, but and actually

1042
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: would affect you positive. You'd rather Malik come off the

1043
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: board because it's not a position you need. Yeah, and

1044
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: the teams also that I look at her like the

1045
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Giants at five and seven. Yeah, in a draft where

1046
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: the general consensus from you and others is they're not.

1047
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: We're not chock full of elites this year. No, you know,

1048
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: so I don't see five and seven. Could they move

1049
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: out of one of those? Maybe if they don't like

1050
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: what the Finding a dance partner is going to be

1051
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: really difficult this year, Okay, I really do because because

1052
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be looking at run out and normally you're

1053
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: like Jacksonville. This is in a typical year, Jacksonville, it

1054
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: would be easy to get out of that one spot.

1055
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: If it's a year from now, you know, with Jacksonville

1056
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: having Trevor Lawrence and we and Bryce Young coming out

1057
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: from Alabama, c J. Stroud coming up from Ohio State

1058
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: next year, they could get out of that pick easily,

1059
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, and get a ransom for it. But but

1060
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the case. And while you

1061
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: love Aidan Hutchinson defensive end, and you love the offensive

1062
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: tackles Iky Aquanu from NC State and Evan Neil from

1063
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: from Alabama, you can you can live without them, and

1064
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: there are other are good players at those positions. So

1065
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: I just don't see a team giving up more picks

1066
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: when really the strength of this draft, in my opinion,

1067
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: is the second third fourth round. How deep do they

1068
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: go in some of these premier positions like offensive tackle,

1069
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: defensive end, corner, yeah, and wide receiver. And it's almost

1070
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: become like every year, which you know, eleven first rounders

1071
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: the last two years and almost all of them have hit.

1072
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: And then the second rounders, like you know, Michael Pittman

1073
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: was the I think like the thirty third or thirty

1074
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: fourth picker year. The first and second round has been

1075
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: outrageous and the league is getting spoiled again this year

1076
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: with the with the talent, I think I've got another

1077
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: six first rounders projected to go this year, which would

1078
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 1: make it what seventeen first rounders and three year span,

1079
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: which is outrageous. So wide receivers loaded. I think defensive

1080
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: end would just called edge, whether it's a defensive end

1081
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: outside linebacker is probably the deepest position in this draft,

1082
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: and it might be the best in over a decade.

1083
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: And then Bills fans are obsessed with the guy that

1084
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: looks like Ted Washington to them, and they look at

1085
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: the times where Tremaine Emmons gets caught up and he's

1086
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: got to pick between two gaps, and if he doesn't

1087
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: pick the right one, it's an ad r touchdown and

1088
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: he has to hesitate because of it. They look at

1089
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: this kid, Jordan Davis from Georgia and say, well, that

1090
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: kid's gonna plug up at least one of them, and

1091
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna make Tremaine better behind him. And so they're

1092
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: all obsessed with with Jordan Davis. But the concern here

1093
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: is two down player. And I know you've seen this

1094
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: on tape, Todd. The other teams in the SEC, when

1095
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: they see Jordan Davis on the field, they go tempo

1096
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: and wear them out, no question, and it's effective. Listen,

1097
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: if you're drafting Jordan Davis, you're gonna get twenty five

1098
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: to thirty of the best reps you could get, especially

1099
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: versus the run and in the passing game. He's not

1100
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of sack production production. Maybe he's

1101
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: a four or five sack guy a year in the league.

1102
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: But he will push the pocket, he will get quarterbacks

1103
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: off the spot, and he will demand double teams at

1104
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: times because there's a lot of centers that just can't

1105
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: can't hold ups. He's just too big, so you need

1106
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of help there. So I love him

1107
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: when he's fresh, but you can't promise fresh, because I

1108
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: know Georgia, I know people in the program, and I

1109
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: know how hard they worked to keep him. They wanted

1110
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: him down around three twenty five three thirty. Keeping him

1111
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: under three fifty was a year long, not like a

1112
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: season long, a year long task, and it took you know,

1113
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: people watching him and watching at the training table and

1114
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: all those sorts of things. So it's hard. You know,

1115
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: he's just he's naturally a massive human being. He's a rarity,

1116
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: right and when he's fresh, though, he can run that dude,

1117
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: can I actually chase down running backs from behind? And

1118
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: so like he loved the physical tools. It's just, how

1119
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: are you going to guarantee me? Marty Schottenheimer once told

1120
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: me it's impossible to guarantee anything when a human beings

1121
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: about to get more money, more fame, and more note,

1122
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: more free time. Those are three things, more money, fame,

1123
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: and free time than they've ever had before. And that's

1124
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: the risk with big men, maybe more than any other position,

1125
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: because of how quickly they can impact their own personal

1126
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: performance based on the weight that you're talking about, because

1127
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: him a three twenty five. But listen again, like I

1128
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: don't want to, I don't want to tear him down.

1129
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: I love the player when he's on the field, but

1130
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: you just kind of have to value, like the value

1131
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: of the pick. Is it worth a first round pick

1132
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: when there's all these other guys like I even think

1133
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: his is um DeVante Wyatt, his teammate Georgia. You've talked

1134
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: about him before. Now there's off the field stuff with him,

1135
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: though from what I'm hearing, is that serious stuff or

1136
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: relatively minor from what you've been talking. I think relatively

1137
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: minor from from what I've been told. I don't think

1138
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: it's Indians going to affect playing time. But I can

1139
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: tell you this that he plays his tail off. Yeah,

1140
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean he plays hard, he's it's consistent. I think

1141
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: he's the most consistently disruptive defensive tackle interior defensive lineman

1142
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: in this class. Is it what what makes these guy

1143
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: We get these combines and you always hear about, Wow,

1144
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: this guy's draft stock really went up, and this guy's

1145
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: draft stock really went down for me, And I want

1146
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: to see what you think the thing that makes their

1147
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: draft stock go way up is the physical testing and

1148
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: some guy comes out and knocks out apart the thing

1149
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: the interview. No question, I've heard some crazy stories. The

1150
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: stuff I can't even share. You know, it's not for

1151
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: anyone's years. I'm not allowed to say it, first of all,

1152
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: and even if I could, I couldn't say it, you know,

1153
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: publicly on the radio. But um, but yeah, I mean,

1154
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: and it's amazing that we're talking about fifteen minute interviews.

1155
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: I feel like anyone can fake something for I mean,

1156
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: you can fake being normal. But they come in and

1157
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: they Every team that I know of that I talk

1158
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: to has has a psychologist and this is this thinks

1159
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: it's not like, hey, how you doing, what's your family like?

1160
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: They come in and there are different approaches to it,

1161
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: but but they know what they're going after, and they

1162
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: know and they they know the player specifically, and all right,

1163
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: we want to get him. We want to get him

1164
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: ticked off, or we want to you know, we want

1165
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: to touch on a family member or you know, something

1166
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: to see his reaction. Almost a trigger question exactly. Yeah. Uh,

1167
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned receiver class is loaded. Bills fans are obviously

1168
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: obsessed with maintaining the offense, but there's some defense of

1169
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: stuff that has to get fixed, as you addressed in

1170
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: the mock draft for the Bill's corner defensive line are

1171
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: probably priorities ahead of receiver. You said it's a loaded

1172
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: receiver class. Are we talking loaded to the point where

1173
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: they can still get a potential starter in a year

1174
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: or two in round four? Are we talking like a

1175
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis type that you can get in round three

1176
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: or four like that late in this draft? Yeah? I

1177
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: think so. Like this this guy's Sky More from Western Michigan.

1178
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: He's he's a player. Yeah, I mean, he's just you

1179
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: know that he's going to be a third round pick

1180
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: because we're so I mean, like I said, there's six

1181
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: receivers in the first round that that backs up everybody else.

1182
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: And then but I think the Christian Watson from North

1183
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: Dakota State is the six three, two hundred and five

1184
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: pounder who's going to run the four threes here. He's

1185
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: they call him the Tampa Tornado, one of the better nicknames,

1186
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: and he's just he's just every tape I watched, and

1187
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: I know it's fcs, but he's just like five yards

1188
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: behind everyone. And and he had a really good Senior

1189
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: Bowl week. Sky Moore, as I mentioned, David Bell from

1190
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: Producer Slot like a jitterbug, Wandale Robinson Kentucky. So I'm

1191
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: vinced in this receiver class in the third, fourth round

1192
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: there will be starters. Yeah. Is there another position group

1193
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: that's not one of these premier positions, like the interior

1194
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: offensive line or maybe safeties? Why is there a linebacker

1195
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: who's going to come in and be a difference Because

1196
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, we spend all our time. Everybody's talked about

1197
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: the wide receivers, they talk about the defensive end, premiums, backs,

1198
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: all those, all those you know, when these guys hit,

1199
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: they're all making twenty million dollars a year. Um, what

1200
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: about the other positions that maybe you know have a

1201
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: guy that's special but nobody knows about because he plays

1202
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, safety, Yeah, linebacker. The top three safeties are outstanding. Yeah,

1203
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: but after that, it's a real drop of Kyle Hamilton

1204
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame. It's just like six six four, two

1205
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds and five Yeah easily, Yeah, I've

1206
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: got him as the number two player in the whole draft. Wow. Um.

1207
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: After that, Jalen Petrie from from Baylor's just he's always

1208
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: like on the corner, he can play corner. He's and

1209
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: he plays that like overhang nickel spot and he's blitzing

1210
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: off the edge and just he's he don't tell him

1211
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: he's two hundred pounds because he plays like he's two

1212
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: thirty at times. It was just that kind of aggressiveness.

1213
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: Dax Hill from Michigan is probably gonna be a late

1214
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: first Watch him workout in his fluidity, and he's like

1215
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: a corner of that plays safety and plays safety like

1216
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: he's a linebacker, if that makes sense. He has the

1217
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: athleticism of a corner, the mentality of a linebacker. It's

1218
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: pretty cool to watch him. So those three guys are good.

1219
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: But then there's a drop off after that. I think

1220
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: tight ends a really good position. I know that's not

1221
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, you guys got Knox and you're pretty good

1222
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: at some point. But yeah, but I mean it's pretty

1223
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: pretty deep. It's there's no elite guy. There's never a

1224
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: Kyle pitch. Kyle Pitts is like a once in a

1225
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: decade type player. But there's not even like a true

1226
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: first rounder. But then like the second, third, fourth round,

1227
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: there there's a bunch of guys like Trey McBride from

1228
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: Colorado State's a really good player. Might has been a

1229
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: lot of a little shorter version of Dallas Goddard from

1230
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: the Ukles wider Meyer from Texas A and m is

1231
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: a big athletic guy, Greg Dulcitch from UCLA constright. He

1232
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: might be a third round pick, but a guy who

1233
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: I think he can't block. I mean it's almost painful

1234
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: necessarily as I requisite anymore. I know, I love the

1235
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: guy I love. I love he fought fast. You can

1236
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: get down the field, but you just can't block, so

1237
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta work around. Everybody's putting extra offensive tackles

1238
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: on the field now essentially just a massive slot receivers

1239
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: where he's going to be. But my point is, if

1240
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: you're looking in that third, fourth round range, there's gonna

1241
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 1: be some tight ends this year. All right, Todd, listen,

1242
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: we know you've got other obligations, so we'll what's funt

1243
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: you loose here, But it's great to have you in.

1244
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time. We appreciate it very much. That's

1245
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: Todd McShay, ESPN NFL Draft analyst who will have some

1246
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: more mocks coming your way in the not too distant

1247
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: future on ESPN dot com. We will take a break here,

1248
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: but when we come back, we'll be We're staying put.

1249
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: We're staying put. Okay, that's fine. I thought we had

1250
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: to let Todd go because he yet he's running around

1251
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: like a you know, his hair is on fire, so

1252
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's got about twenty people that need to

1253
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: talk to him. So we understand why he's got all

1254
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: the knowledge. When you can cram three hundred and fifty

1255
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: draft prospects in your head and recite what their strengths

1256
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: and weaknesses are at the drop of a hat, that's

1257
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: brain power. I don't know if I can compete with.

1258
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm usually looking up a file on my laptop. Yet

1259
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna come up and told us he said about

1260
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: every two weeks three weeks, he's gonna have to come

1261
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: out with another mock draft. So all the way up

1262
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: until April he'll be filling up the Yeah, but he

1263
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: said he's got one coming out post Combine, So next week,

1264
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: be on the lookout. Got Bill's taking a corner and

1265
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: easy to see that may exactly exactly what happens, but

1266
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: I think there's enough corner depth where if Brandon likes

1267
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: what he sees on the defensive interior in round one

1268
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: at twenty five, he could go there and still round two,

1269
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: pick fifty seven still scoop up a guy that might

1270
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: be able to compete for starting work. I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 1: guys that are forget athletics and all that, it's you

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: can't coach big, you know. I mean, you got to

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Speaker 1: get a guy who's genetically different. They're bigger, faster, and

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Speaker 1: stronger than everybody, and those guys are hard to find

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Speaker 1: the further you get down the board. Athletes are always abundant,

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: but big men who are athletic are not. Um. So

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm still there now. Certainly they took Trey White,

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01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: but whoever they take is gonna be have elite traits,

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01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: and I think it's I think they stick with a

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Speaker 1: big guy this this draft. Yeah, I do too. At

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Speaker 1: twenty five, not only because of what you said, but

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01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: because I think the corner class is a little deeper

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01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: than the interior D line class six or whatever. Fifty

1284
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: seven and round seven they got a shot at a guy, yeah,

1285
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: at corner, and so I think you go big early

1286
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: because those guys aren't as in as plentiful supply. And

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Speaker 1: I am hoping like hell that Devantae Wyatt runs slow

1288
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: here twenty five because here and The reason why is

1289
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Speaker 1: because just what Todd had said, Steve, what he said

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01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: was Jordan Davis is just so massive. You heard the

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Speaker 1: extra work. It was a year round effort to keep

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01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis it's under three fifty. Now, if he was

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Speaker 1: three twenty five and could stay there, he'd be just

1294
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: as attractive as Devantae Wyatt, who plays at three thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If if a kid's twenty two years old,

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Speaker 1: twenty three years old, he's struggling to be disciplined enough

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01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: to keep his weight down, Um, he's a red flag.

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01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna it's a big red flag. He's gonna struggle

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Speaker 1: even more when he's gonna be playing. I think where

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01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 1: once he signs a contract, they can they can't force

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01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: him to do that. Um yeah, that's it's a bad

1302
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: red flag if if he struggles with that. So you know,

1303
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: we'll see how much that discipline is an absolute prerequisite

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01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: for me. And I'm telling you right now, you ask

1305
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: any NFL GM, they could give you multiple examples of

1306
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: big men, defensive tackles who had careers that didn't last

1307
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: as long as they should have. They ate themselves out

1308
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: of the league because they either ate themselves out of

1309
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: the league, didn't have the motivation after they got paid.

1310
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: It's those big guys that I think NFL GM's in

1311
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: personnel executives worry about more than any other. They do

1312
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: more due diligence on background and having the right DNA

1313
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: that Sean McDermott talks about all the time on defensive tackles.

1314
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: We saw it with Marcel Darius the minute he got

1315
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: the fifty million dollar contract, his performance fell off a cliff.

1316
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: Now he took it out of gear. There might be

1317
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: multiple reasons for that, whether you're dealing with stuff off

1318
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: the field, or maybe there's a new coach coming in

1319
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: the door that you don't get along with as well

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01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: as the last one. Whatever the case might, it happens,

1321
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: and he got traded for peanuts, and you know what,

1322
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: and the team and the team that well they were

1323
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: and the team that he went to got rid of

1324
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: him a year and a half later, and he's out

1325
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: of the league and never came back. I mean he

1326
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: was out of the league at twenty nine, thirty years old. Ye,

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01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, is uh, it's it's a common problem and

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: it's not it's nothing against And I said this earlier

1329
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: in the show. It's nothing against those guys, because here's

1330
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: the thing. Most people don't understand what is asked of them,

1331
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: and it is it is a physical and mental grind.

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: Grind doesn't even do it justice. It is a physical

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01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: and mental torture chamber in there um and they they're

1334
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: asked to do that as they're living and some guy,

1335
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: some guys get tired of doing it very fast, and

1336
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: it's easy to see why. Right. So it's a hard job.

1337
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the most physically demanding jobs in

1338
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: all the pro sports. And not only do you have

1339
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: to be, you know, built for it, you got to

1340
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: have the mental wherewithal to withstand it. That there's a

1341
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: ton of stuff in there. And I would argue that

1342
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: the Bills have been very good with this current regime

1343
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: in identifying whose DNA measures up to the kind of

1344
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: player they want. Sean mc dermott, the last thing he

1345
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: wants on his roster is a player that he's wondering

1346
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: what he's going to get from that guy on a Sunday.

1347
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't even want to entertain the thought, am I

1348
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: going to get what I need out of this guy

1349
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: on Sunday? He wants to be certain of it. And

1350
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: so if there is anyone in these interviews that gives

1351
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: them a shred of doubt as to what they're going

1352
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: to bring to the field every Sunday and every day

1353
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: in practice, they're off the board. We just had Todd McShann.

1354
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: He reiterated that, and he's right, And that's what I thought.

1355
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: The physical testing, the benching, the forty, the vertical, the

1356
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: about that upt that up, the height, the weight, all

1357
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: that stuff makes a guy's stock rise. The interview process

1358
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: when they get down, sit and looking in the eye,

1359
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: that's where that's where the rubber meets. That's where it falls.

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01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: That's where it crushes him. When they find out that

1361
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: the kid can't even fake it for fifteen minutes, you

1362
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: know when you asked him a question. They can't handle

1363
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: a confrontation in a positive way where they can't handle

1364
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, or they don't have, you know, a support

1365
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: system at home, or they they've been damn been prepared

1366
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: for this part of what it's going to be the

1367
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: pro athlete. They don't or there are certain things you

1368
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: ask them point blank they just do not care about.

1369
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: Then you need them to care about all of that

1370
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: stuff is on the table, and like you said, there's

1371
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: thirty two different teams who have different approaches. How they

1372
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: find that out about guys. They've all got psychologists on

1373
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: the payroll that dissect and dismember all the answers and

1374
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: the body language everything. They tape all of this stuff

1375
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: so they know what he's gotten, what makes them tick.

1376
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: And if they don't see what they like, they absolutely

1377
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: just take that guy's name and just plug it right

1378
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: off their board and said it to the side. I'm

1379
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: glad that McShay confirmed for us that a starter can

1380
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: be found in rounds three and four at the receiver position.

1381
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: To me, that cements it for me. It's got to

1382
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: be defense in round one and round two for the Bills,

1383
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: and then worry about receiver in rounds three and four

1384
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: because they're in plentiful supply. I think we know the

1385
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: development skills of this coaching staff Ad Hall. Look at

1386
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: what he's done with Gabriel Davis as a perfect example.

1387
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: And let's face it, they've got Isaiah Hodgings in the pipeline,

1388
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Stevenson and the pipeline, so they've got some guy.

1389
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: They're not cupboards aren't bare certainly they're proven, yes, unproven exactly,

1390
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: they don't have reps under their belt, and you know,

1391
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what's under their hood, but certainly

1392
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: they've they've stuck their toe in the water, and the

1393
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: coaching staff feels like they know them is better than

1394
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: need these draft picks. So yeah, I'm with you, And

1395
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: even right now as it stands, you're probably right defense

1396
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: on the first couple of on the first two picks,

1397
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: on the side of that side of the ball. But

1398
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: I still want to go through free agency to find

1399
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: out exactly, yeah, what's out there, because this, you know,

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01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: that could change with two science All that could change

1401
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: with just two signings in free agency. You know, you

1402
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: get a dynamic defensive tackle or defensive edge rusher in

1403
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: free agency and then snap up a corner like for

1404
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: just say JC Jackson all of a sudden becomes a Buffalo.

1405
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, that changes things. I'm exaggerating to make

1406
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: a point, but a name like that, that would change

1407
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: the dynamics where the dynamic of the draft. So although

1408
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: you could argue that the Bills probably need a tier

1409
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: too free agent corner anyway, and drafted both because Tradevias

1410
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: is not a given, and you can't expect him to

1411
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: be a given no matter how hard he works. You're

1412
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: not questioning how hard he's working to get back, but

1413
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: you don't know how his body is. Time is time, yeah,

1414
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: time is time is There is no definitive date when

1415
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: you know for certain he's good to go and he's ready.

1416
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: Could be August thirtieth, could be September thirtieth. Now you're

1417
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: four weeks into the season, So yeah, you've got a

1418
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: heads your bets there at that position because of that,

1419
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: because of Levi being a free agent, so yeah, you

1420
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: may have to double down there free agency and draft

1421
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: depending on what happens with Levi going forward. We have

1422
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: to take a break here because when we come back

1423
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: from NFL Network, we are going to be joined by

1424
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: one Colleen Wolf. She will be here to talk about Jamestown,

1425
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: New York native and head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles,

1426
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni. She is from Philadelphia, so she has her

1427
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: ear to the ground on the Eagles at all times,

1428
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: and she sat down with him recently. We'll hear from

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: her next here on One Bills Live presented by Kellid

1430
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: to Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, welcome back

1431
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you

1432
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: as always and joining us now from NFL Network. You're

1433
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: going to be seeing a lot of her on the

1434
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 1: mock draft lives coming up leading up to the draft.

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Speaker 1: It is Colleen Wolf joining us. It's great to have

1436
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: you guys. Good morning. We had the bench press going

1437
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: on behind us a little bit ago. This place is

1438
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: popping off, action packed. It is. Where's my bills swag? Well, yeah,

1439
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: it's in the mail. Okay, cool, we didn't we didn't

1440
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: have your size, which so we'll get it. We'll get it.

1441
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: Well you know it's small. Yes, we figured, Yeah, you're

1442
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: doing it. You're doing us a podcast with Erica Tamposi

1443
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: split in. Give us a little insight as that it's uh,

1444
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: it's basically a football podcast that's not about football. Okay.

1445
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: But we had we had the Sirianni on yesterday and

1446
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: we had so much fun with him. Uh. We talked

1447
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: a lot about his visor and highlighters because he's super

1448
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: into those. But he was telling us that like the

1449
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: entire coaching staff has a competition of who can lose

1450
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: the most body fat over the off season, and they

1451
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: got into something called the BOD pod, which I don't

1452
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: know what. Okay, what is the body? Huge egg that

1453
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: opens up and there's a set in there and you

1454
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: get in there nude. Yeah, wait, what this information? You

1455
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: got to do more show prep? Call? Yeah, here's what happens.

1456
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: You get in and you have to you have to exhale,

1457
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: You have to a to a thing. You exhale. So

1458
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: they get the volume of your lungs, your weight, and

1459
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: and they do they extrapolate because they subtract the space

1460
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: in your lungs from your total weight and your masks,

1461
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: and they say they know how much of your weight

1462
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: from the mass of your body, how much space you

1463
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: take up in that pod? And they extrapolate everything and

1464
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: they say how much of your weight is body fat?

1465
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: And how much is everything tissue? Wow? So that's get

1466
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: in there. I wish I had that information ahead of time.

1467
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, he said that some of the coaches took

1468
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: the information worse than others, and he probably took it

1469
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: the hardest. It's yeah, it's humbling, Yeah, very humbling. That's

1470
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: why I haven't been in the BOD. I know you're

1471
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, you grew up an Eagles fan being a

1472
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: Philly girl. Um, it's like you're boring Sirianni, and Sirianni

1473
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: is one of ours. He's a Jamestown, New York native

1474
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: Western New York, you know, grew up not too far

1475
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: away from where commissioner who grewd out grew up. So

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: u we've kind of followed him along through the process

1477
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: when he was coaching under Frank Reich and all of

1478
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: that stuff out in California, and then you know, finally

1479
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: gets the head coaching gig um and he gets that

1480
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: team to the playoffs, which we know how demanding Philly

1481
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: fans are, and so you don't need to tell us

1482
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: about that. We're very familiar with. Still a massive surprise, yes, right,

1483
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: playoff birth year one that doesn't happen with first year

1484
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: head coaches in this league. Although no, and when you

1485
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: go back, and I'm sure you guys saw the introductory

1486
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: press conference that Nick Sirianni had. Philadelphia is an unforgiving

1487
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: city and he got a lot of slot like he

1488
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: people were talking a lot of trash about Siriani at

1489
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: the beginning, and he was able to win over that

1490
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: city and that is not easy to do. That she

1491
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: got there. Yeah. I think I think that people have

1492
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: really turned their opinions around on Nick Siriani and just

1493
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: seeing what seeing how much he cares, Like that's all

1494
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 1: Philadelphia wants, and I think that's with a lot of cities,

1495
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: especially cities that are passionate about their sports. They just

1496
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: want to know that you care as much as them,

1497
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: and that you are working as hard as you possibly can,

1498
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: and that you you can you can put them in

1499
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: a good position. And I think that that really that

1500
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 1: has come off, and you can tell how much Nick

1501
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: Siriani wants to win and that he's going to do

1502
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: whatever he can, and he is very charming in that way,

1503
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: Like he said that he told us the other day

1504
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: that he's still just he's learning, and he's learning the city,

1505
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: and he's learning how to kind of better conduct these

1506
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: press conferences. And that's a whole different skill, Like not

1507
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: everybody he has that, and that's a difficult thing. Like

1508
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: growing up, I was so afraid of public speaking. I

1509
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: hated it. I couldn't even read out loud in English

1510
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: class like and then things just change and you get

1511
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: better at it and you and you can kind of

1512
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: face those fears and figure it out and I think

1513
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni has done such a good job, not only

1514
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: on the field, but off the field too, in the

1515
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: relationships that he's built. So as you come into this

1516
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: draft and this combine and you see everything's starting to

1517
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: take off today, you know, the weekend, there's a lot

1518
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: more people here today. And we look around the league

1519
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: and it's always it's a quarterback driven league. Do you

1520
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: see any of the teams in the league, particularly with

1521
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: the free agent guy, you know, the Aaron Rodgers and

1522
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: the and the Kyler Murray drama and the Russ Wilson conversation.

1523
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: Is there a team out there that's that needs a

1524
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: quarterback and there's you know, a lot, a couple of handfuls. Yeah,

1525
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 1: which one's going to do the biggest, most splashiest thing

1526
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:57,440
Speaker 1: to get a guy? It's you know, it's so interesting

1527
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation this year because no one knows for sure.

1528
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: As I'm looking at a monitor right next to us

1529
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers on it, it's all we're going to

1530
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: talk about. Nobody knows if he's going to stay or go.

1531
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 1: Nobody knows about Russell Wilson if he's even available. And

1532
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: same with Kyler Murray, and then beyond that, you don't

1533
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: have any big name, splashy quarterbacks. There's none in the draft.

1534
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: Free agency is like I guess, like the most exciting

1535
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: is Mitchell Trubisky, like Andy Dalton, I mean it's and

1536
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: I'm a huge believer in Trubisky. I heard him saying

1537
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: just what a difference the year in Buffalo has done

1538
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: for him mentally. He was overthinking things in Chicago. Just

1539
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: watching Josh Allen has really helped him in general. And

1540
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: so I guess maybe the problem is the Colts don't

1541
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: have the draft capital to make a splashy move. But

1542
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: I would think that if they did, they would be

1543
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: the ones to make that splash. But they already tried

1544
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: to do that last year with Carson Wentz and it

1545
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: blew up in their face. The splashy part of it

1546
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: would be getting to the guy that got yeah, right,

1547
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: that's a splash in the right year for a year

1548
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: and could happen like that could very much happen. But

1549
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: they don't really have a lot of options. So if

1550
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: there were options, I think they would be gone for sure.

1551
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: But I think there's also some teams that were not

1552
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: even hearing about that have quarterbacks that might be movable,

1553
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: and just from conversations that I've had around the league,

1554
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: and so maybe there are some other players in this

1555
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: that could be moved and could be in the other

1556
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 1: chess pieces. Yeah, but I know the Broncos are desperate

1557
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: for a quarterback that they always are twas ever, thus,

1558
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: so you know you're gonna be doing a lot of

1559
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: mock draft live here between now and the draft when

1560
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: you don't have quarterback elite quarterbacks to kind of gravitate too,

1561
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: to drive the conversation. And I know there are pass

1562
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: rushers expected to go in the first round, as many

1563
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: as eight are getting first round grades, but even those

1564
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: are not necessarily the elite of the elite might go

1565
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: in the top five. But you hear what all of

1566
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: these coaches and scouts are saying. They're saying, Well, you

1567
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: don't really have a Chase Young in this draft. You

1568
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: don't really, but you might have pass rushers go early.

1569
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: So is that is that the position group that you

1570
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 1: think is going to drive the mock draft conversation between

1571
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: now in late April, like the pass rushers, because there

1572
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: really isn't anything else, or might some other position come

1573
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: up and grab the attention of everybody. I mean edge rushers,

1574
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: they always do, and it's this is a big draft

1575
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: for offensive lineman and tackles. But that doesn't really move

1576
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: the Needlene. I was talking to our draft analyst Lancer Line,

1577
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 1: as shrimp cocktail comes through, right, No, shrimp cocktail, I

1578
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: would love something, thank you. Yeah, he's a little late today.

1579
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: I just gotta tell I gotta get appreciate that on

1580
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: my shows. Um, I don't even remember what I was

1581
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: talking about because you're talking about what's going to move

1582
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: the needle? About that, right? So Lancer Line said that

1583
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: this draft, it's very much it's very like a basic

1584
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: draft for essentials. So I liken it too. You're going

1585
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: to you're going grocery shopping and you gotta get like

1586
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: paper towels, you gotta get laundry detergent, like you're not

1587
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 1: going for like some some like exotic you know, cut

1588
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: of meat for dinner or whatever. So it's a toilet

1589
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: paper draft, it is, yes, But the thing about that

1590
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: that could make it potentially interesting is it's gonna be

1591
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: a what's your flavor draft or what's on your grocery

1592
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: list draft. So the range in which players like you

1593
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: can't zero in a player and say, wow, he'll come

1594
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: off the board between eight and twelve. Yeah, it might

1595
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: be between eight and forty, which could really make it

1596
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: a topsy turvy kind of draft because it's gonna be

1597
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: what's your flavor right right exactly. And I think for

1598
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 1: a lot of these classes, like the running back class,

1599
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: for example, there's a lot of talent in it, but

1600
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: it's a it's a deep class, but it's not top

1601
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: tier talent. Now, there's plenty of really wonderful running backs

1602
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: that have a lot of different skill sets, but you're

1603
01:19:58,400 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: not going to see a lot of these guys go

1604
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: at the top. So it's really just about these like

1605
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, offensive lineman. You got like a lot of

1606
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: tight ends. That's a great deep class. But yeah, you

1607
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: don't have the quarterbacks or the wide receivers. And that's

1608
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: part of what runs this to me, that makes this draft.

1609
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: I hate to say it like this, but it's really

1610
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: dangerous because you got a GM who's gonna who could

1611
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: whiff on four top picks because you just couldn't. You know,

1612
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: you grabbed him because it was your need him was

1613
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: all that. But there there's so much wide variety of guys.

1614
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: You could take him at forty, you could take him

1615
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: at twenty, and that wide range of possibilities. You could

1616
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: have a guy go and get six starters out of

1617
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: this draft or absolutely have seven busts at the top

1618
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: of a and you have a lot of gms are

1619
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: on the hot seat. And then I also look at

1620
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: a situation like Philadelphia because they have the most draft

1621
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 1: capital in the first round, three first round picks. Right

1622
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: It's like, Howie Roseman is not one to just sit

1623
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: and be quiet during this season, Like he'll loves the

1624
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: splash move, but there's not splashy players for those moves.

1625
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure. I wonder if with the lack

1626
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 1: of elite talent, if you're gonna have a lot of teams,

1627
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: particularly somewhere between ten and twenty five, we're going to

1628
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: get out of there, right like, But I just don't

1629
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: know if the supply is going to meet the demand,

1630
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be like, hey, we're looking to trade out.

1631
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: You want to move up to fifteen, And I'm thinking

1632
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: the other end of the phone's gonna be like, why

1633
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: would I do that? Right? People, people are gonna want

1634
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: to get out around one, But I don't know if

1635
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna find any buyers. I mean, you just better

1636
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: hope that your scouting department is on top of their stuff,

1637
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: like they better hope that the talent and their scouting

1638
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: department is going to come through in this draft. Colleen,

1639
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: thanks so much for stopping by. I know you're busy.

1640
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time with us. Thank you, guys,

1641
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 1: and thank you for the shrimp cocktail. Yeah, we did

1642
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,799
Speaker 1: that just for you. Delightful. We pulled a few strings

1643
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: for your helle. Thanks very much. We appreciate the time.

1644
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Good luck with the mock drafts coming up, they are

1645
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: not going to be easy ones to decipher for sure.

1646
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: That's definite. All right, that's Colleen Will from NFL Network.

1647
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: We will take a break step and I back with

1648
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: more here on one Bills Live presented by Callot of

1649
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: Health at the Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, here we

1650
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: are on a Thursday, the NFL Scouting Combine live from Indianapolis.

1651
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: Another day in the book, Steve, and we'll have some

1652
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: testing to get to people tomorrow when we hop on

1653
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: the show from the wide Receivers and see how some

1654
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: guys did in terms of running this things of that nature.

1655
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: It's where we fall into this and this happens every year.

1656
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: It's a trap. Kenny, Kenny Pickett has his hands measured today.

1657
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: There were eight and a half inches. This like when

1658
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: you hold your hands up, like the thumb too pinky,

1659
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: thumb too pinky, And that's small, really small. Yeah, And

1660
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, and Ross Tucker's great, he tweeted out.

1661
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: He goes, Oh my gosh, it's it's incredible because he's

1662
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: there's no way a team up north can draft Kenny Pickett.

1663
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: He can't play the cold weather with small hands, right exactly.

1664
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: Us knew that, and you know, kind of totally baited

1665
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: in the social media world and everybody, Oh my gosh,

1666
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: they piled on. He goes, man, I love he goes,

1667
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: I just love it. But you know, that's the kind

1668
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: of silly stuff you got out there. You know that

1669
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: the kids played quarterback at pitt and played really well,

1670
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: just in, just just in. So now all of a sudden,

1671
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: because his hands aren't nine inches instead of eight and

1672
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: a half, he's he can't play. Come on, I mean, yeah, great.

1673
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: So we'll talk more about receivers tomorrow because on tomorrow's show, Steve,

1674
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: senior producer from NFL Films. Our good friend Greg. We

1675
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: were talking to him earlier off air and he said, oh,

1676
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of the receivers, so we'll get

1677
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: to talk to him in depth about that tomorrow. I'm

1678
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Now. This is somewhat humorous, and

1679
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about it last night at dinner. But

1680
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: we've seen all the social media about Alabama receiver Jameson Williams,

1681
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: who unfortunately tore his ACL in National Championship game and

1682
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: has been rehabbing ever since. And we see all this

1683
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: social media stuff way ahead of schedule in his ACL recovery,

1684
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: and we see other guys that are trying to return

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01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: from injury for the draft, way ahead of schedule. And

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01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: our producer Jay Harris goes, He says to us, have

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01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: we ever heard of guys in rehab that are behind schedule? No,

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01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: one's ever behind schedule. Now, obviously you would not be

1689
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,799
Speaker 1: publicizing that if you were in fact behind schedule. Everyone's

1690
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. How did you know that? Yeah, here's Steve,

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01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: Steve hold On. Jamison Williams gets injured, tears his ACL

1692
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: the second week in January. Okay, We're barely into March.

1693
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: We're not even two months removed from that injury, probably

1694
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: less so from surgery. How the hell does anyone in

1695
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: the Jamison Williams camp definitively know he's ahead of schedule

1696
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: just because he's standing on a Why go to the

1697
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: ball They go to their nearest geriatric hospital that somebody

1698
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: that serves people that are my age ear old, you know,

1699
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: seventy five year old guys, My ninety one year old

1700
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: dad would never bounce back from an ACL as fast

1701
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: as Jamison Wilson. That's the That's that's how standard, because

1702
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: the standard is something that they choose arbitrarily. UM I

1703
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: don't I never know what to think of that. Like,

1704
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: I want to believe that the kid, genuinely, I got

1705
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: nothing against If he can come back ahead of schedule,

1706
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: more power to him. Well what's the schedule? I mean,

1707
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 1: because we've seen guys come back fast, We've seen back

1708
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: guys come back fast. The thing that you need to

1709
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 1: say is the most accurate thing you can say, definitively

1710
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: is he has had no setbacks, and he's exactly he's

1711
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: progressing exactly as they want him to. He has had

1712
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: no setbacks. Everything has gone swimmingly, his rehabbing, everything, and

1713
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: the way it goes with these catastrophic knee injuries is

1714
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: this mostly for kids like like this guy and all

1715
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: the guys I ever knew in the pro football It

1716
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: was the club's biggest challenge to keep the guy tied

1717
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: to a chair and not rehab until it was time

1718
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: to rehab. And I'm just gonna say, most of these

1719
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 1: guys jump back so fast. They don't you know, the

1720
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: healing isn't done before they start rehabbing, and they and

1721
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: they get they cause themselves more problems down the line

1722
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: and setbacks if they don't let it get a good

1723
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: start in the healing process before they start working out

1724
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: and jumping up and down. And fortunately for Jameson Williams,

1725
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: this was a straight ACL injury because what his agent

1726
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: is trying to pull off here is not all that

1727
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: different from what Drew Rosenhaus did back in two thousand

1728
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: and three for Willis mcgahey. Now Willis mcgahey, who also

1729
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: had a horrific catastrophic knee injury in the National Championship Game.

1730
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,520
Speaker 1: His knee essentially exploded. It was his ACL, his LCL,

1731
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: and I believe his pcl all torn like his knee

1732
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: was shredded. It was, it was fair, it was that's catastrophic. Yeah,

1733
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: And yet there he was jogging in a straight line

1734
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: in late March at Miami's Pro day and people are like, what,

1735
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: how's he even moving right now? He literally did not

1736
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: have a leg to stand on. What happens, Drew Rosenhouse

1737
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: pulls off a miracle. He ends up getting Willis mcgay.

1738
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: He drafted in Round one, twenty third overall pick to

1739
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: the Bills, but he has to red shirt that whole

1740
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: first year. He was not ready to come back. And

1741
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: even when he came back in two thousand and four,

1742
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: I would be watching him in practice in the spring

1743
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: workouts and he still had a hitch in his in

1744
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: his gait. Yeah, that was a bad knee. That was

1745
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: really really really Jamison Williams doesn't have that kind of

1746
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: hill to climb. Still a long way, but it makes

1747
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: you wonder, Yeah, still a long way to go. Certainly,

1748
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams is the guy that more importantly people are

1749
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: keeping an eye more and so on Todavious White and

1750
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: how he's coming along. He's coming along really well, He's

1751
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: up and around and you see him walking around and

1752
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: you you know, he looks like a normal human being,

1753
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's you know, three or four months

1754
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: off of major knee surgery. He's coming along really well.

1755
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, it's a he's a factor in what the

1756
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: Bills are doing this offseason. Knee injuries these days, they're

1757
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: they're not nothing, but they're a little bit more like

1758
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: appendicitist rather than you know, open heart surgery these days. Yeah,

1759
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: so yes, and we will have our ear to the

1760
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: ground on how everything is going with True Davis, who

1761
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: I just saw last weekend and he said everything's doing well,

1762
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, and Brandon Being told us on Tuesday he

1763
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: is on schedule. That will do it for this Thursday edition.

1764
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: What are we doing tomorrow? Who's coming on? So? As

1765
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: we mentioned tomorrow, NFL Films senior producer, Oh yeah, Greg

1766
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: Cosil will be here to talk receivers with us among

1767
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: other prospects. And we will also be joined by ESPN's

1768
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark, former Steelers safety who is very opinionated as

1769
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: we know, but we can talk dbs with him since

1770
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: he is a former dB himself. For Giants Show Tomorrow,

1771
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: Bill's Light. The podcast is coming out later Today's Bills

1772
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: By the Numbers, By the Numbers, Yes Podcast. We'll be

1773
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,839
Speaker 1: dropping later this afternoon. We'll see you tomorrow