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Speaker 1: JJ, good to see you after a week off. How

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Speaker 2: It was great, man, It was great to hang out

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Speaker 2: with the family. Everything, though, unraveled when.

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Speaker 3: I got home.

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Speaker 2: Our upstairs air conditioner broke, and so we've been without

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Speaker 2: So my upstairs it's been like in the eighties high

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Speaker 2: eighties at times, and I've tried to record some shows

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Speaker 2: and get stuff done and it has not been easy

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Speaker 2: at all. But I got to say, experiencing that heat

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Speaker 2: Pukinakua and DeVante Adams and someone drafted naked Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: at the end of the fifth round last week. I'm JJ,

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Speaker 2: And over the last couple of years, I've been doing

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Speaker 2: last season things finally fell into place.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another episode of becoming a Best ball Bro.

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Speaker 2: I'm JJ Zachares and joined as always by Rich Ryan Rich.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, Buddy.

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Speaker 4: Doing great man? The football is behind us, in the

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Speaker 4: football is ahead of us. I fired up three consecutive

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Speaker 4: fast drafts last night after my work was finished, so

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Speaker 4: I am full steam ahead for best ball and football season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got some drafts in on vacation, which was great.

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Speaker 2: When the kids went to bed, I was able to,

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Speaker 2: you know, just hang out in the living room.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the best times.

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Speaker 2: Like the kids are settled, you had a long fun day,

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Speaker 2: and you just bust open the laptop and you're sitting

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Speaker 2: there with your significant other and you know, they're doing

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Speaker 2: cranking out some drafts. So I am officially over the

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Speaker 2: eighty mark with my milli drafts so far, I have

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Speaker 2: to say. So, I'm going to talk about some exposures

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Speaker 2: talk about the higher exposed players that I've that I've drafted.

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Speaker 3: The thing is in these drafts, these eighty plus drafts,

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Speaker 2: I have gotten the one ten in fourteen of them.

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Speaker 2: What and it is the most tilting.

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Speaker 3: I hit eighty.

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Speaker 2: And I put all my notes for today's show for

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Speaker 2: So I have now gotten the one ten and what

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Speaker 3: You know, I've seen a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people say that they're out, that they don't understand

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Speaker 2: for me. I don't think the Luther Burden stuff is

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Speaker 2: Burden stock. You can almost copy and paste what Ben

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Speaker 2: Burden is more than likely going to play in this offense.

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Speaker 2: So I'm in on Burden this year. I'm at twenty

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Speaker 2: And you know, if you're listening to this, if you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if it was just hype, then we wouldn't see

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Speaker 1: People want pieces of this offense.

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Speaker 2: Something else, something else I want to throw out there too,

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Speaker 2: you have to hate Brian Thomas. You know, like if

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Speaker 2: you like Luther Burden, then you have to hate no,

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Speaker 2: because in an individual draft, you're making a bet on

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Speaker 2: to go down in this season's iteration. Right, But a

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Speaker 2: round four and I'm not getting Luther Burden in that case,

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Speaker 2: which in that case for that particular lineup, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Happen for Luther Burden for that lineup.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think it just goes to like the more of

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Speaker 2: the probabilistic thinking and not handcuffing yourself to a take

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Speaker 2: and just saying like this has to happen in order

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Speaker 2: then you would never buy into anything ambiguous in it

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Speaker 2: from a draft board perspective, you know, And it's just

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Speaker 2: a silly thing to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you nail this on the Marcuts Square episode that

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Speaker 4: where if you're just looking at a model's output and

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Speaker 4: MEETA and outcomes, of course things are muddled and gray,

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Speaker 2: And like I said, I've gotten the one ten so

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Speaker 3: A lot of a flowers as a result of that too.

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Speaker 4: I've pulled up my ADP data and he's right there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that final game, that first game he went nuclear

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Speaker 3: It really was right right and so. But but I

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Speaker 4: But yeah, at costs this is it's harder to see

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Speaker 2: There, So yeah, I should throw out there too. I

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts both at fifteen percent. I'll go a little

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks right now. I just it goes back to everything

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Speaker 2: we've talked about about quarterback with guests, you know, in

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Speaker 3: It's just this idea that.

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Speaker 2: that being said, quarterback, and I talk about this with

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Speaker 2: But I just love the flexibility that those like round

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Speaker 2: the day flowers. I have Terry McLaurin at nineteen percent.

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Speaker 2: I think I think Terry McLaurin there's no signal to

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Speaker 3: The volume should be there.

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Speaker 2: I love the fit and Klink Kubiak's offense, but I

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Speaker 2: I know that Jaysn is going to regress to a

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Speaker 2: quick to close this out, Jalen Wattle fifteen percent. When

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Speaker 2: If Jamar Chase were to go down then all of

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Would he not be a Nico Collins if not higher

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Speaker 2: Right, And so I think that there's you know, we

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Speaker 3: Those are the guys where I'm at early. I think

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Speaker 2: Hopefully just based on where I draft, because it's still

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Speaker 2: all of those individual players, Like I'm not really upset

439
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,959
Speaker 2: about having because like, like not only that, but all

440
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Speaker 2: of them, maybe Gente aside, maybe jsn aside are in,

441
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Speaker 2: and maybe McLaurin aside, but they're all in like pretty

442
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Speaker 2: good offenses, like offensive ecosystems that I don't think they're

443
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Speaker 2: going to like completely destroy me unless an injury happens

444
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Speaker 2: to one of them.

445
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Speaker 4: And I think gent is the exact right bet out

446
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Speaker 4: of that running back cluster, Like who is going to

447
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Speaker 4: be the running back in that five running back cluster?

448
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Speaker 4: I mean you could even extend it to include Faith Brown,

449
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,200
Speaker 4: a Han and Henry Like who from that cluster? We're

450
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 4: going to look back and say, Wow, maybe they should

451
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,960
Speaker 4: have been competing with the mid to early first round guys. Right,

452
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 4: how about a pass catching guy with a team that

453
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Speaker 4: invested heavily in its offensive line. Yeah, drafted a quarterback

454
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Speaker 4: plays most of its games indoors, like everything's there for him.

455
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

456
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Speaker 2: And you know, I've gotten a lot of feedback from

457
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Speaker 2: people about like, well, you know, you've talked about rookie

458
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks being bad for their personnel, you know, their pass

459
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Speaker 2: catchers and their running backs, et cetera.

460
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

461
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Speaker 2: Like that, And I talked about this on the show before,

462
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Speaker 2: on a mailbag episode. That's more of a proxy to

463
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Speaker 2: tell you that that rookie quarterbacks tend to just underperform

464
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Speaker 2: in general versus our expectations. But the idea here is

465
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Speaker 2: that the system itself, the offensive line, all of the above,

466
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Speaker 2: lack of weaponry outside of brock Bowers, all of the

467
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Speaker 2: abut which, by the way, Brock Bowers for anyone curious.

468
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Speaker 2: I'm not like thirteen percent or so right now. But

469
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Speaker 2: aside from Brock Bowers, is like, there's a lot to

470
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Speaker 2: like about the volume that Ashton Gent could see in

471
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Speaker 2: that backfield in a good you know, with a guy

472
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Speaker 2: like Clint Kubiak, And I think that naturally no offense

473
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Speaker 2: to your boy, Gino, but I think that you know,

474
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Speaker 2: when you add in the offensive line and the quarterback

475
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Speaker 2: potential upgrade just given the environment.

476
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Speaker 3: I'm not even necessarily going to say that it was

477
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Speaker 3: all Gino last year.

478
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Speaker 2: The way that you com bat a bad environment is

479
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Speaker 2: through volume in fantasy football, and I think Ashton Gent

480
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Speaker 2: at the very least is going to see that to

481
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Speaker 2: be able to like meet adp. But if the offense

482
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Speaker 2: is just better than we expect and he's gonna he

483
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Speaker 2: could be a top three running back in fantasy.

484
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he could. To call back to Brandon's episode with you,

485
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Speaker 4: he could kind of pepr Merchant himself, but at the

486
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Speaker 4: same time be extremely talented and be able to break

487
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Speaker 4: off massive plays at the same time.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not worried about last year's efficiency. There's

489
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Speaker 2: literally no correlation with year one yards per carry and

490
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Speaker 2: how they volume is what you should be focused on

491
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Speaker 2: more than anything like yards per carry. And not only that,

492
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Speaker 2: but he was second worst in the league and yards

493
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Speaker 2: before contact per attempt only Quinnchot Judkins was worse last year.

494
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Speaker 2: So you know, obviously the offensive line played a role,

495
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Speaker 2: but they're getting really good players added to that line,

496
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Speaker 2: whether through injury return or just through free agency. So

497
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Speaker 2: I am I'm into it to ash and gent. Okay,

498
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Speaker 2: let's talk about this guest. I brought him up a

499
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Speaker 2: couple times he was on the show last year. People

500
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Speaker 2: really liked our conversation last year, so I thought, hey,

501
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Speaker 2: we should run this back this year.

502
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Speaker 3: But it's Todd Burrows, who has played Best Ball for.

503
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Speaker 2: A very long time, very active on Twitter at best

504
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Speaker 2: Ball NFL. We kind of went in a lot of

505
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Speaker 2: different directions with this conversation, and so hopefully people enjoy

506
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Speaker 2: that aspect, because it wasn't, you know, more of like

507
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Speaker 2: a interview answer interviewer answer type type scenario. Like we

508
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: went back and forth and we hashed some things out,

509
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Speaker 2: and I think that people will hopefully enjoy that. But

510
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Speaker 2: we chatted about a really unique way that Todd likes

511
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Speaker 2: to stack the problems that we run into with certain

512
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Speaker 2: team builds and roster construction.

513
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Speaker 3: And then, like I said, we had some conversations too

514
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Speaker 3: that straight away from the show sheets. So it was

515
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Speaker 3: a really good time. I hope that comes out when

516
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Speaker 3: you listen to it. Without further ado, here is my

517
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Speaker 3: interview with Todd Burroughs.

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Speaker 2: All right, Todd, First off, I have to preface right now,

519
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Speaker 2: my ac is broken in the upstairs of my house

520
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: and my office is upstairs, and so but if you're

521
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Speaker 2: watching this on YouTube, by the end of this recording,

522
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Speaker 2: not only that I have a cold right now too,

523
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Speaker 2: but by the end of this recording, I will be sweating.

524
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Speaker 3: There's no doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I will just say that it's because

526
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Speaker 1: of all the hot takes that I give. Right Like,

527
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Speaker 1: I am going to like take completely responsibility for your sweating. Man,

528
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Speaker 1: I had JJ on, JJ had me on, Dude, was sweating?

529
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Speaker 1: My takes are so hot?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly. I'm looking forward to this conversation. Though

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Speaker 2: we had a really good talk last year. You know,

532
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Speaker 2: I thought that you brought some really unique perspective to

533
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Speaker 2: Best Ball in this best Ball space. As I've gone

534
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Speaker 2: on this journey of becoming maybe I am now a

535
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Speaker 2: best Ball bro. But I love to hear other perspectives

536
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Speaker 2: on this, So let's just start. What's a mistake do

537
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Speaker 2: you think drafters are making this year? In other words,

538
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Speaker 2: when we look back on this season, what do you

539
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Speaker 2: think that we could point to as being the reason

540
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Speaker 2: that people didn't do so well?

541
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Speaker 1: The two biggest overall things I found this year is

542
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Speaker 1: even more than normal. I think the field is overreacting

543
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Speaker 1: to the small sample size that's just an inherent part

544
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Speaker 1: of best Ball right in DFS football seventeen eighteen twenty

545
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Speaker 1: slates a year mini slates, and so best Ball We've

546
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Speaker 1: literally only had five to seven slates so far, and

547
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Speaker 1: this year I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I

548
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Speaker 1: feel like even the smart people are just overreacting. I mean,

549
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Speaker 1: we hear a lot of talk about small sample size

550
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Speaker 1: in the community, but the way the board has laid

551
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Speaker 1: out this year and people are just seemingly completely overreacting

552
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Speaker 1: to what happened last year, which is what opens up

553
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Speaker 1: a big opportunity for this year. Last year, I know,

554
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Speaker 1: I brought this up a bit about how my biggest

555
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Speaker 1: epiphany was that I went from being too much of

556
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Speaker 1: an advanced week bro to too aggressive, right. So my

557
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Speaker 1: goal last year was to dial it back, and I

558
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Speaker 1: not only had my best advance rate in three years,

559
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Speaker 1: but I also got a team into the underdog finals

560
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Speaker 1: and it came in sixty third. So I feel like

561
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Speaker 1: I went for and accomplished a nice balance. But I

562
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Speaker 1: feel like the field this year is spending all this

563
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Speaker 1: time trying to advance. We don't hear much about correlation anymore.

564
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Speaker 1: We don't hear much about week seventeen. We don't hear

565
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Speaker 1: about stacking. It's just get your quarterbacks and get your

566
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Speaker 1: running backs. What is the most interesting thing to me

567
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Speaker 1: in best ball is trying to figure out ways to

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Speaker 1: get through the pods so that you get to week seventeen,

569
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Speaker 1: because that's the hardest thing to figure out.

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Speaker 2: Refresh my memory a little bit because you talked about

571
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Speaker 2: this a little bit last year, but your strategy about

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Speaker 2: handling Week fifteen and sixteen, I think you said that

573
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Speaker 2: you sort of try to trick the pods a little bit.

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Speaker 3: How are you refining that.

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Speaker 1: In the past. There's a couple ways to do it.

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Speaker 1: They're stacking without a quarterback, you know, like at receiver,

577
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Speaker 1: hoping that you know, one week, one guy goes off

578
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Speaker 1: gets you into the next week. But my favorite way

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Speaker 1: to do it is by stacking a running back, particularly

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Speaker 1: a cheap backup running back with a stack right. And

581
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Speaker 1: most people don't do that, but we all know that

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Speaker 1: in a good offense, one week it could be the

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Speaker 1: running game that gets you there. The next week it

584
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Speaker 1: gets you the passing game. And Sharbone and I did

585
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Speaker 1: trick the pods a little bit. I got to week

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Speaker 1: seventeen with Sharboney, Donald and Jaysn and Sharbone had a

587
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Speaker 1: huge Week sixteen, and there was this nut matchup with

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Speaker 1: Donald and Jaysn week seventeen that they completely didn't hit.

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Speaker 1: You know, another fifteen points and I'd be a lot

590
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Speaker 1: wealthier man. You know, the difference between like tenth and

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Speaker 1: sixty third is a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Oh I feel you, yeah, yea.

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Speaker 2: So speaking of like how people are handling things this

594
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Speaker 2: year and how you know you kind of see it

595
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Speaker 2: as being reactionary.

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Speaker 3: First off, do you.

597
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Speaker 2: Buy that drafters are approaching best Ball differently this year,

598
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Speaker 2: specifically with running backs? And then for you personally, are

599
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Speaker 2: you going with mostly running back heavy builds?

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Speaker 1: No, So I'm doing the same strategy that I did

601
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Speaker 1: last year. We've seen running back price in my mind

602
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Speaker 1: this year kind of wily coyote over the cliff a bit,

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Speaker 1: you know, based on two years where running backs mostly

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Speaker 1: stayed healthy. So that I feel is exactly what I

605
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Speaker 1: mean when I talked about the short sighted way people

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Speaker 1: are thinking about things. And you have even really smart

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Speaker 1: people in the industry who I believe in, think of

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Speaker 1: incredibly smart guys saying got to get your running backs,

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Speaker 1: got to get your running backs. Well, my strategy has

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Speaker 1: been modi A. Again, the key thing is balance, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overreact and go to zero running back.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't fit what I do. I also don't think

613
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: it fits the board as much. But with the quarterbacks

614
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Speaker 1: moving up, with the running backs moving up, the one

615
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Speaker 1: group that has really kind of fallen is the backup

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Speaker 1: running backs who for years it was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: zero running back, get your backup running backs, you know,

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Speaker 1: and this year no one seems to be interested in them.

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Speaker 1: But they're just as likely to crush when you need

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Speaker 1: them as they ever were. So I've been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of hero running back builds and again I'll have

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Speaker 1: a couple, you know, the other big point of emphasis

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Speaker 1: for me is to mix up my builds more, not

624
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Speaker 1: get locked into one strategy so much. You know Pat

625
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Speaker 1: Karine when he was a big zero running back guy one.

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Speaker 1: You know Best ball Mania with a two running back star, right,

627
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: you want to mix up your builds, But the majority

628
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Speaker 1: of my builds are Nothing makes me happier, especially early

629
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Speaker 1: when you could get some really good people at the

630
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Speaker 1: two three turn, getting that Beijon and the Gibbs, and

631
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Speaker 1: then really pushing running back to about the tenth round

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Speaker 1: and then taking six or seven of them. I think fundamentally,

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Speaker 1: one of the key things that I believe that's different

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Speaker 1: than most Best ball people is that early is when

635
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: you want to take a chance on the late guys

636
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of uncertainty. Now everyone seems to

637
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Speaker 1: want to have certainty at the running back position. Well,

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, some of these late guys

639
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: who are eighteenth you know, sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth round guy

640
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: are going to win a role, or someone's gonna get

641
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: hurt and they're gonna you know, like look at what

642
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: happened with Bill last year on the Redskins. He went

643
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Speaker 1: from an eighteenth round pick to like a tenth round pick, right.

644
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Speaker 1: I want to have those kind of guys in the

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Speaker 1: eighteenth round, in the seventeenth round, and then when we

646
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: start getting more certainty, then I will be more likely

647
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Speaker 1: to go to five running backs instead of six or seven.

648
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: But for now I want that. I don't want to

649
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: have to get the whole backfield to get lucky. But

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Speaker 1: if I have that great hero running back, take another

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Speaker 1: one in the Jalen Warren kind of Remandree range, occasionally

652
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: a little earlier in that Swift Toton Henderson range, and

653
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Speaker 1: then just really load up on guys in the thirteenth

654
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Speaker 1: through the eighteenth. I know some of them aren't going

655
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Speaker 1: to hit right out of the gate, but some of

656
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: them might, and then the premise behind it is still

657
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: those guys can hit in the playoff weeks when you

658
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: really need them.

659
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: So with that being said, are there any early round

660
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: running backs rounds one, two, maybe into three that you

661
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: are just not on this year?

662
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I have one other big point of emphasis

663
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: for me is I don't want to completely fade and

664
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: act like explosive. Guys are invisible. So you're right, So

665
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: last year Derrick Henry was invisible to me and boy,

666
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: I was a genius right up until week seventeen when

667
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: he was the guy.

668
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.

669
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: It's funny Dereck Henry specifically for me, I think I

670
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: was at like four and a half five percent last

671
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: year with Henry, I had him on my finals team

672
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: for the Millions and so he was the he was.

673
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: The you probably got a nice day.

674
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was top top forty in the in the Millis.

675
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: But but it was but yes, right, that's right.

676
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: But to your point, to your point, I found as well.

677
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: I think this is what you're alluding to, this this notion.

678
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't like super high on Henry last year, Like

679
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: I said, I was like four and a half five percent,

680
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: So I was underweight on Derrick Henry. But those are

681
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: around guys. It is very very difficult, even like you know,

682
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: if you're not into Devana. I know it's a sexy

683
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: thing to not be into Devon ah Chan.

684
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that guy that gets five point seven

685
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: yard to carry it. I don't want any of him, right.

686
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: It's like it's hard for me and I look, I

687
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: there there are definitely some some sites and some platforms

688
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: and from a season long perspective and stuff where I

689
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: think he is more of a fade. But regardless of that,

690
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: I'm still drafting Devon ah Chan because if you do

691
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: enough drafts, you're also gonna end up getting values in

692
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: certain spots as well. Is that basically how you're feeling, though,

693
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: is that you want that blanket if you.

694
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: Will, trying to be more open to explosive guys that

695
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm more open to guys who we need

696
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: to build portfolios where we're overweight and underweight. But human

697
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: nature is we don't like to make a lot of decisions.

698
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: That's just part of being human. So if you don't

699
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: like a guy, I mean you hear it on Twitter

700
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: every day. These are the six guys I will not

701
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: be drafting in any draft. Okay, great, go for that.

702
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, I hope it wasn't Derek Henry Week seventeen. Right.

703
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: So it's a combination of taking those guys occasionally but

704
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: also mixing them in on teams where maybe you're real

705
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: happy with your team or they fall a little bit

706
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: more than they normally do, but trying to put them

707
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: in situations That's where correlating Week seventeen. You know, like

708
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: if I take Derrick Henry, I'm much more likely to

709
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: try and come back with T Higgins the next round,

710
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: right right, because that could be a really great Week

711
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: seventeen game. Again, that was the short sample last year,

712
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, the last two years. Because it's funny, I've

713
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: heard a lot of smart people say the same thing.

714
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: I want to be more open to the guys that

715
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: I would have faded, And it's because Derek Henry went

716
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: nuclear week seventeen. Kyle Pitts was another guy a lot

717
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: of people hated, and that's who you needed week fifteen.

718
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: The key is to do it's smart and not get

719
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: caught up in being one sided with your takes. Yeah,

720
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: and then build and then building smarter, building every team

721
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: as if it is going to make Week seventeen. You

722
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't want to. You know, you don't

723
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: want to hurt your chances of getting to Week seventeen

724
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: too much by just focusing on it. But you want

725
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: every team that gets there to have a story. So

726
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: like for me, tricking the pods, having that backup running

727
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: back where with a stack where if one of the

728
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: two goes nuclear Week sixteen, now the other one is

729
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: low owned Week seventeen and to get the backup running

730
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: back with your stack doesn't cost you anything, right, Like

731
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you've got Brock, Purdy and Evans, if

732
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: you want to add Jordan James, you can get him

733
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: in the twentieth round on on Grands, right, Josh Allen? Right?

734
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: Should I take Josh Allen with Cook? Well? Maybe, but boy,

735
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: I can get him with Ray Davis whenever I want.

736
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: Let's talk about exposure really quick, since we're kind of

737
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 2: on the topic right here.

738
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: The question I get a lot is.

739
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: Sort of how much exposure should we have with a

740
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: certain player. I know that you mentioned last year you

741
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: tend to max out around like that twenty five percent

742
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: mark on certain players. Is your philosophy changed it all

743
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: year over year based on what you're you're speaking on here,

744
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: or is it you know? Are you like, you know,

745
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: I know people talk about that like four percent blanket

746
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: and stuff and making sure that you have some exposure

747
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: to some of those really.

748
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: Other people who mock that and exactly and are like, well,

749
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't need you know, And all I can say

750
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: is I've always had a five to fifteen percent rule

751
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: for first and second round picks because they're all really

752
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: good players.

753
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: They're good players, yeah.

754
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: And every year you see huge win The largest win

755
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: rates are advance rates are almost owis with guys in

756
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: the first and second round. They're the guys who pushed

757
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: the needle and the guys who get super charged are

758
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: the ones who not only have a good season but

759
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: go next to the guys who either get hurt or

760
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: something crazy happened, right, and we can't we don't know

761
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: who's gonna get hurt. I'll never forget. Famously, I was

762
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: back in the Saints Stays. I was like, I can't

763
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: take Kamara or Michael Thomas. There's no way both of

764
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: them pay off their first round grade. Well, one year

765
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: Kamara got hurt, one year Michael Thomas got hurt, and

766
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: I had none of the other guy basically right, So

767
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: I have a five to fifteen rule. I tend to

768
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: get to about twenty five to thirty on a couple

769
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: people each year, because you do want to take stands.

770
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: But I'm spending a lot more time in time boxes

771
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: making sure that I'm mixing up who I'm taking players with.

772
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: It's easy during a long season to get caught up

773
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: in like right now, I'm super into Ray Davis. I

774
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: wasn't a couple months ago, but I want to make

775
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: sure that. I mean, I took some Ray Davis when

776
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: I didn't like him, and because you have a group

777
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: of guys you're hot on in any window, I'm trying

778
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: to be more like an optimizer. And yes, I want

779
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: to have a lot of Ray Davis right now. I

780
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: think he's one of the best late round picks. But

781
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: I also want to make sure I'm not forgetting some

782
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: of the other guys that I like, just maybe not

783
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: as much, but like Demand Claiborne or a couple of

784
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: the other late running backs, Tank Bigsby. Because we don't

785
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: know who's going to get the injury, I want to

786
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: mix it up more. But rules are made to be broken,

787
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 1: and I do have a guy in the second round

788
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: who I want to be about twenty percent on this year,

789
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: So let's save that for one of your other We're

790
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna, uh, We're gonna get the heat up

791
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: in the kitchen a little bit.

792
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not quite not quite sweating yet, but

793
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: by by the end, by the end, I'm actually shocked.

794
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: I'm not because Number one, I'm a sweater and Number two.

795
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: I'm not even joking when I say that it's about

796
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: ninety degree.

797
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: No, I believe you. You have my empathy, and I

798
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: appreciate after the prepare of preparing that I did that.

799
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: You you're you're you're you're playing through pain, right, you are?

800
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: You are playing through pain, and we appreciate.

801
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, let's let's suck a tight end.

802
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: I know that you you do like brock Bowers at

803
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: costs and that's the Does that mean yeah?

804
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: Does that mean that Okay, that's that's that's the dude.

805
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I want. I want at least twenty percent

806
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: of brock Bowers this year.

807
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty into brock Bowers too.

808
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 2: Does that mean that you're not into the other earlier

809
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: round tight ends? What what's your general tight end approach?

810
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: Is it like brock Bowers or Busts for you this year?

811
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: It's not. I mean, you know, twenty percent means I've

812
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: got eighty percent of other people, I think. I think

813
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things about the way the board

814
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: has laid out this year is with quarterback moving up,

815
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: with running back moving up, basically what you're running into

816
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: is I like different tight end. There's a lot of

817
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: tight end ADPs that I like this year. So one

818
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: of my other favorite like Fannin based on a couple

819
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: nonsense things, and he doesn't have a quarterback. He's now

820
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: like ninth round, tenth round right, like he's dropped about

821
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: two rounds and I sort of liked him where he was.

822
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: So a couple months ago, I was really into Tyler Kraft.

823
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I thought he was a great pick. But now a

824
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: little further back you get not only Fannin, who I like,

825
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: but Laporta, I mean, really talented guy going very late.

826
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: You know, you don't need it with tight ends. I

827
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: found you don't need the number one tight end. But

828
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: typically there's three guys every year that you want, you know,

829
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: that just out perform the top three, and they can

830
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: come from anywhere on the board. So I mix up

831
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: my tight end exposures. Historically, tight ends do not have

832
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: the advance rate that running backs and wide receivers. They

833
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: don't move the needle in that way. Even Travis Kelcey

834
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: in his best year best years was about forty percent,

835
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: where you can get fifty sixty percent at the right

836
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: running back or wide receiver. So I would say that

837
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: tight end for me is more about being different than

838
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: the field and making sure that I have enough strength

839
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: in that group that it accentuates what I'm doing with

840
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: the rest of that team.

841
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned it with quarterbacks. Now quarterbacks are going earlier.

842
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: It's been a really interesting conversation piece with guests on

843
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: this show talking about the corequarterback position.

844
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: It's just strange how.

845
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: You know, you get these typical qb ones, you know,

846
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: Josh Allen aside, you know, you get the typical qb

847
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: ones going up maybe a little bit earlier than they

848
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: otherwise would be or in a spot where they generally

849
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: would go. But the QB twos are getting pushed up some.

850
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: That's exactly my point. What's happened is because running backs

851
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: have been pushed up, the top, quarterbacks other than Josh

852
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: Allen are actually cheaper than they were last year.

853
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, like they're more, they're more. I'm

854
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 3: getting more of.

855
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: That tier than I've ever gotten in my best ball history,

856
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: let's say my best ball one.

857
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: But it ties in to your original late round QB theory. Right,

858
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: if you get two, but you get them in the window, right,

859
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: that was your theory, you get too. Yeah, but two,

860
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: but if you know, it was two top fifteen guys,

861
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: but if you get those two in the window, it

862
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: could win. So to me, what we've seen is because

863
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: everyone has to have, right, the cool kids are all

864
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: getting three quarterbacks, so everyone needs three quarterbacks. It's pushed

865
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: up the weaker quarterbacks, right, But the good, really good

866
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: guys who could break fantasy are actually cheaper. I've got

867
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: a lot of Jayden Daniels. I've got a ton of

868
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. I've got a lot of Trevor Lawrence. I

869
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: love Dart, I love Purdy. There's like six or seven

870
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: eight guys in that range. And again, I don't want

871
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: to win a quarterback because they're not the big advance

872
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: rate position, and you don't know which game is going

873
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: to blow up week fifteen, sixteen seventeen. I want to

874
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: mix all that up. And then there's one the other

875
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: guy who's going later than he had the last two years,

876
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: and that's Baker Mayfield, who I really like, who if

877
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: I meet, he's my number one target. He was hurt

878
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: play through injury. Most guys would have went on ir

879
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: His offensive line was hurt, his receivers were hurt. But

880
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: everyone just wants to focus in on what happened last

881
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: year to that deam and of course Mike lev Evans

882
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: left well. I book is still there, not that I

883
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: like him as much as his ADP, but Godwin is

884
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: there mcmill and I is one of my most known players.

885
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: So that is really my focus at quarterback.

886
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: The really interesting part about QB for me is that

887
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: when you finish a draft and you you know you're

888
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: sitting in like round nine or something, and you decide

889
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: to go running back instead of getting a quarterback or something,

890
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: and you finish a draft and you look back because

891
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: because if you do pass in round nine, round ten,

892
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: which is where a lot of these really good you know,

893
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 2: lower QB ones, high MQB twos will end up going

894
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: if you pass on one, and you then you then

895
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: feel the panic a little bit, you know, because other

896
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: people are drafting three quarterbacks and you know that you

897
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: need to complete stacks or you want a.

898
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: Three quarterback build yourself.

899
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: And you finish the draft and you look at it

900
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: and you're like, why didn't I just take Brock Purdy

901
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: in round ten when CJ.

902
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: Stroud is going around.

903
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Especially since the running backs there are just okay, right.

904
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: It's the opportunity costs is not significant enough to doing

905
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: it right.

906
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: So exactly, Eric binfor of Spike Week. I'm big into

907
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: the Spike Week discord. He load of those guys in there.

908
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the best discord for best ball. It

909
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: is high level, intelligent stuff that we can just bounce

910
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: off each other every day. But Eric did a pod

911
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: earlier in the year where he says, I'm just getting

912
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: my two quarterbacks. I'm just not playing that game right right. Occasionally,

913
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, I want some Jordan Love, I like Baker Mayfield.

914
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: I want some Malik Willis. But I'm acting for the

915
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: most part like the guys after Malik Willis aren't there

916
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: in eighteen rounds and a lot of times in twenty rounds.

917
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: I just don't think those guys have the kind of

918
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: upside that some of the late quarterbacks who went in

919
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: the sixteenth and eighteenth round in previous years have, right, right, right,

920
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: So if that's what beats me this year, I'll just

921
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: tip my hat. But I just don't want to chase

922
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: quarterback in most of my drafts.

923
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the the only reason I don't do

924
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: it in every draft is because of the exposure discussion

925
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: we just had. You know, like I still want some

926
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: exposure to some of the guys where that cost is

927
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: being incurred, but at the same but at the same time,

928
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: you know, over on draftings, for instance, you're gonna go

929
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: in the late seventh into the mid eighth round, and

930
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: that's where Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, those guys are gonna

931
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: get drafted. And the wide receivers that you're drafting them

932
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: over are like Courtland Sutton, you know, like, which it's fine,

933
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: Like Courtland you might love Courtland Sutton, that's fine, or.

934
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: Like Dave and such, yeah you might, or you might

935
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: love Pat Bryant in the twentieth.

936
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: Rounds exactly exactly, but like you know, someone like like

937
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: they're they're players that really aren't.

938
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: Gonna gonna move you. You know, they're not.

939
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: Gonna get you so excited a wide receiver, even the

940
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: running backs where you're you're in your in ambiguous backfield territory.

941
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: So you do want to throw some darts, you know,

942
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: eventually and get some exposure. But again you can go

943
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 2: a round or two later and on DK Jonathan Brooks

944
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: is still going that late like he's still just as

945
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: much of an upside swing as some of the other

946
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: running backs you'd beginning two rounds earlier. So like, again,

947
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: i just feel like the way that the typical draft

948
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 2: goes for me is that I'm staring at these quarterbacks.

949
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts goes in round seven consistently, you know, and

950
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: I'm staring at.

951
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: These guys, and I'm like, there's not a big enough

952
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: difference between the running backs and wide receivers that I'd

953
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: be drafting here versus what I'd be getting two rounds later.

954
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: Whereas if quarterbacks.

955
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: Starts going and the run starts, you can't just say

956
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ignore this run because quarterback are supply does

957
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: run out. You know, it does get to a point

958
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh crap, Bryce Young is the top

959
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: available quarterback, and Bryce Young, for from from my perspective,

960
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 2: I just don't look at a guy like Bryce Young

961
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: and think this guy's gonna win me anything in fantasy football.

962
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: You know, like it's just it's just not something that.

963
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: Pretty much the same thing. Yeah, it could happen, anything

964
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: could happen.

965
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would argue, even with Ward at least like

966
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: we haven't seen you know, with Bryce Young, we have

967
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: like multiple seasons of data of him in this offense,

968
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: and all you know, there's there's at least some like

969
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: of this like mystique, you know, with with a guy

970
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: like Ward, whereas like Bryce Young, I'm like, we know

971
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: what we're getting at this point, you know, generally too inconsistent.

972
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: It's not that he can't have good weeks, but he's

973
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: he's not going to really help your advance rate most likely.

974
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't doesn't help that he has a week

975
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: seventeen matchup against against the seahawksy.

976
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well, and again we can overrate that,

977
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, of the bad matchups a little bit, totally

978
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: but totally. Again, there's two advantages and you've hit on them,

979
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: but I'll summarize one is they're just the best picks

980
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: where they go right. They're cheaper than where you know,

981
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: Drake May going in the fifth, sixth round. I mean,

982
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: Drake May. Could you know? I thought of something interesting

983
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: because everyone talks about how they had such a bad

984
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: schedule last year and they're not going to be able

985
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: to do it again this year because they have a

986
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: better schedule. And then I saw someone post on Twitter

987
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: just basically they shut Drake May down in the second

988
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: half last year, right, So it's actually a good thing

989
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: that they're playing a tougher schedule. If you're a Drake

990
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: May guy. If I have the stack, it's easy. If

991
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: I have lad mcconki, I'm taking Justin Higraphy's there. If

992
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: I have one of the Dallas wide receivers, I'm taking Dak.

993
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: There's enough really good ones in that range. You know,

994
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: it's not like you're going to get too much of

995
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: them because there's like twelve of them, right, you know,

996
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: you know from Lamar down to for me it's dart

997
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: or Mahomes. Yeah, you know, it's like twelve guys, right, Yeah,

998
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: you can.

999
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 2: Even go I mean you could even argue to Kyler

1000
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: bo Nix.

1001
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: I like Kyler a lot. Yeah. I think Kyler is

1002
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: has always been pretty good for fantasy football exactly, and

1003
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: people don't like him because he can't do this and

1004
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: he can't do that. I'm definitely overweight on Kyler. He's

1005
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: another one of my that's like, if I have Justin

1006
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: Jefferson or I take Addison and I miss on that

1007
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: second quarterback, you know, like, so what I'm doing. And

1008
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: then there's a couple like Drake May Justin Herbert who

1009
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: you can backstack in that range, Jackson Dart you can backstack,

1010
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: you get Isaiah Likely, you take Mooney. It's not the

1011
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: best thing, but it's it's perfectly reasonable, right, And those

1012
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: guys can score points and get you there without a

1013
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: true number one, right like Latman Conky's going is the

1014
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: true number one? Is he gonna be? Maybe? Probably, but

1015
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe one of my favorite players of Ronde

1016
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: Gadsden is the guy you need. Right. So I think

1017
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: that you're accomplishing two things. You're getting a really great

1018
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: value overall to build your team, which to me is

1019
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: always my most important thing. I want as much talent

1020
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: on my team as I can, and then I want

1021
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: to take all these other strategies to fit it together

1022
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: and make a coherent story. But the second thing is

1023
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: if you get those two quarterbacks, you don't have to

1024
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: think about quarterback anymore. It's out of you know, Like

1025
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: if I take brock Bauers in the second and I

1026
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: get two quarterbacks and the one in the fifth one

1027
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: in the eighth, I've stacked. Boy. It makes the rest

1028
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: of the draft really easy. I can just cherry value

1029
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: right guys that I really like that fell in that draft.

1030
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: That's one thing that goes unnoticed.

1031
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: I think a lot in these discussions just about like

1032
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: roster optimization and strategy and such, is the flexibility in

1033
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: the late rounds and obtaining some of the falling value.

1034
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: Like you're saying, you.

1035
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: Know, if you're stuck and you're like, oh, crap, I

1036
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: only have three running backs and it's round fifteen or

1037
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: something like that, and you're like, I gotta just pound

1038
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: running back from here on out, then then you're going

1039
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: to be missing out on all of the other values

1040
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: that potentially exists at why And it's so tilting as

1041
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: you're doing that, and you're sitting there and you're seeing

1042
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: this guy who's sitting two rounds later than he typically sits,

1043
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: and you can't go after him just because of the

1044
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: way your particular build is sitting.

1045
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: Right.

1046
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: So I do think that the flexibility aspect of things

1047
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: is something that really does go unnoticed.

1048
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's an advanced best ball thought,

1049
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not one that'll get your clicks, sure,

1050
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: but it is really really important to be a really

1051
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: good basketball player in my mind right, and also knowing

1052
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: where in each draft the values are right, like like

1053
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: I like Jonah Coleman a lot. Right, I like Emma

1054
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: Johnson a lot, I like Claiborne, I like Tank Bigsby.

1055
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: So I know those guys will be there. So I

1056
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: just need to have enough strength in my running position

1057
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: back position early that I can mix and match them

1058
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: while you know, like lately I've been very hot on

1059
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: Denzel Boston, I'm very high on jay Len McMillan. You

1060
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: know where, I don't have to take a running back

1061
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: there if I don't want to. So one of my

1062
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: key things that I've always focused on is sometimes there's

1063
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: someone when you pick in the fourth, fifth, sixth round

1064
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: that you're just so excited about that he's there. You're

1065
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: taking them right, doesn't matter about your bill, You've got

1066
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: plenty of time to fill it out. But as a fallback,

1067
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: if there's a bunch of guys and I'm like, eh, right,

1068
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: I want to keep my build as even as I can,

1069
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: because then it gives me the flexibility to not have

1070
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: happened what you just mentioned later.

1071
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's underrated. It's underrated.

1072
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: And this is this, honestly to me, through doing this

1073
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: is one of the disadvantages to doing a zero A

1074
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: true zero RB draft is that you you do lack

1075
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: flexibility once you get out of like round six, is

1076
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: that you if you get a falling wide receiver value,

1077
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: it's not nearly as easy to snag that value up

1078
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: and snatch it because you are already overweight at that

1079
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: position and you're gonna you're gonna be struggling in other positions.

1080
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you can't go zero RB. I'm

1081
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: just saying that it's a thing that you should be

1082
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: thinking about as you deploy these strategies, as your drafts

1083
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: are going on.

1084
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's something that that should be top of mind.

1085
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: For a couple of years, zero RB became a cult

1086
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: and if you didn't do it, you know, you're the

1087
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: cult was like, oh no, you know, And now the

1088
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: cults telling you you have to have three running Which

1089
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: is so funny that the same guys who would shame

1090
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: you for not going zero running back are now shaming

1091
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: you because you're not drafting three running backs in the

1092
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: first four rounds.

1093
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: Well, the first year I did that.

1094
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: So this is the year three of the show, and

1095
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: the first year I did it, I didn't have great

1096
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: success with my It was the first year that I

1097
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: was really max entering and play, you know, doing like

1098
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: a thousand time to get it and and yeah, and

1099
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: like I had always played, you know, like but not

1100
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: to that volume and such, and I went, I went

1101
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: so heavy with the same structure over and over again,

1102
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: largely zero RB, and I had a bad year, you know,

1103
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: just not a good season. Changed it up last year.

1104
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 2: You know, I'm doing it again this year where I

1105
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: still have some zero RB teams. Then't get me wrong,

1106
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 2: Like every once in a while, I'll draft.

1107
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: Every year I will have again, like if I'm in

1108
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: round four and I've got two wide receivers and back

1109
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: bowers and Neighbors is sitting there at the end of

1110
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: the fourth round, somehow I'm taking Neighbors and I'm going

1111
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: to figure out running back in.

1112
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: That draft, right right, You can still like, yeah, you

1113
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: still do those things based on the falling values and such.

1114
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: But I do think that you know, being so stuck

1115
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: on that one approach, like I said, and like you

1116
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: were saying, it's so important to recognize how handcuffed it

1117
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: makes you as you go through the draft. If you're

1118
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 2: not you know, balancing things out, if you don't just

1119
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: know that if you're not having a balue, you don't

1120
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: have to have the balance approach. I'm saying, though, if

1121
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: you don't have that balanced approach, understand that that means

1122
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: you're not going to have as easy of a time

1123
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: finding those falling values late.

1124
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: I tend to be too risk averse, right, I think

1125
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: every human is either leans a little too risk averse

1126
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: or a little too safety averse. You need to know

1127
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: yourself and you need to push yourself out of whatever

1128
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: your comfort zone is. Because everyone's a hero and boasting

1129
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: that they you know that I don't care about safety.

1130
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: You know I'm here to win a million dollars And

1131
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: then I can't tell you how many guys like that

1132
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: eventually took on my strategy for exposure because I got

1133
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: that strategy because one year I went real heavy and

1134
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: I got crushed. Right, smart people learn from their mistakes.

1135
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Week seventeen because we kind

1136
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: of touched on it earlier. I saw a really interesting

1137
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: theory might have come from Pete Overzet, but he was

1138
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: talking about how people aren't talking about Week seventeen correlation,

1139
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: which you alluded to earlier as much this year, partially

1140
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: because there are so many streamers that are streaming with

1141
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: overlays and tools and such and optimizers for while they're drafting,

1142
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: and so they're not having to speak aloud about those correlations.

1143
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: Do you buy into that at all or do you

1144
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: think that it's just one of those things where it's

1145
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 2: just not a hot enough topic for people to really

1146
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: get into.

1147
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I lean towards it being that it was the

1148
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: hot topic for two years and now it's not. Yeah.

1149
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: I went to the spike we tools and I looked

1150
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: at every early correlation. So like Derrick Henry, how many

1151
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: times he was with Jamar Chase Chase right down Higgins

1152
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: for every week seventeen game? And I've done that in

1153
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: past years and you would see a ten, fifteen, sometimes

1154
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: twenty percent increase if there was a guy who was correlated.

1155
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't think people are correlating early intentionally, and I

1156
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: think that's the big advantage. You know, a lot of

1157
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: people also think and there's nothing wrong with doing this.

1158
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: Like if I have Drake May and Pat Bryant, who

1159
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: I like anyway, is in the seventeenth you know, seventeenth boy,

1160
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: that makes it easy, right, I get a week seventeen

1161
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: correlation but so many times when we just drop an

1162
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: a late guy in to either a stack or a correlation,

1163
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the effect of doing it with really

1164
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: talented guys early. And you add that to something again

1165
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: that we talk about a lot in Spike Week. You know,

1166
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: ADP is so static early, and really the chance of

1167
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: these guys be you know, like, what's the chance that's

1168
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 1: you know, Saquon Barkley is going to be that much

1169
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: better than Chase Brown right right, or Breese.

1170
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 3: All that whole tier is. Yeah, a lot of those

1171
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: guys are just so giant.

1172
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: So mix it up. And part of that not all

1173
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: the time you mix it up, but having unique early pairings,

1174
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: even in tournament best ball, it's really important. I think

1175
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: in which I don't play like on Drafters because I

1176
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: can't in Pennsylvania, but I think that moving guys up,

1177
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen. Moxie, who's one of the guys

1178
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: that he did studies on that people just don't move up.

1179
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes I'll move up a Zay Flowers

1180
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: so that I can get him with t Higgins. Later

1181
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: they go right near each other, and now Zay's moved

1182
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: up a little bit, so occasionally you can get it,

1183
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: but getting those correlations early, even if you don't end

1184
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: up getting one of the two quarterbacks in the game.

1185
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: You know those guys could you know a few years

1186
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: ago it was they were late. But I'm on Ross,

1187
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: Saint Brown and Penny both went off in a week

1188
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: seventeen game and if you didn't have that correlation, you

1189
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: didn't win money. Right, So there's definitely advantages to it,

1190
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 1: and there's more advantages because people aren't doing it as much.

1191
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had this conversation with some people where I

1192
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: think ADP in general is just so forced by stacking.

1193
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: Of course, right, you know, quarterbacks will go.

1194
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow goes way earlier than he probably should because

1195
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: if the Chase guy doesn't get him, the Higgins guy's gonna.

1196
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: Take exactly exactly.

1197
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: And you can always tell, you know, you know, the

1198
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: unstacked quarter the guys, the quarterbacks like Jackson Dart who

1199
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: don't have you know, I mean obviously of the league neighbors,

1200
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: but people are are. If you're a neighbors and there's

1201
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: only one player for Jackson Dart to really stack early.

1202
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: When that's the case, then those guys can fall a

1203
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: little bit from from a pure value perspective, but then

1204
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: the other the other piece of that though from from

1205
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 2: an ADP standpoint, is is the the the stacking stuff,

1206
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: you know, the week seventeen stuff that you're talking about

1207
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: a little bit, and the it's very easy to get

1208
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: in this like robotic mode where you're like, oh, I

1209
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: don't really want to take Kenneth Walker at two oh

1210
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: two if sometimes he's gonna fall to two oh six,

1211
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: because I can just wait and get the value when

1212
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: that draft happens.

1213
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm in the two oh six spot, I suppose.

1214
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: But in the end, it's like, there's you got to

1215
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: you gotta think about the probability and the realistic outcomes

1216
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: of all of these players and how tight you know,

1217
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: there's a reason that they're tiered toget.

1218
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: There's gonna be six hundred thousand or so, you know teams, right,

1219
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: and if Walker goes off two six or two five

1220
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: and five hundred thousand of them, what you know if

1221
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: you take him at one eight and then come back

1222
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: with someone else in that same tier, yeah, it might

1223
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: not be the most optimal thing. Walker might not deserve

1224
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: to go one eight because and if he did, he

1225
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: probably would but that doesn't mean in one season he

1226
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: couldn't be the guy that you know, like I push

1227
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: up Ashton Genty, I'm not that high on CMC or

1228
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. At ADP. I'll push up Ashton Genty because

1229
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: most people who pass on CMC and Taylor are going

1230
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: to take either aman Ra Jefferson or c d. Lamb.

1231
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: So I'll move up Genty or sometimes Barkley.

1232
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: All right, give me three players, good or bad, that

1233
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: you think are just wildly miss priced right now?

1234
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of them. ADP's gotten

1235
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: very efficient. A lot of the players I thought were

1236
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: badly misspriced. The field has adjusted on. I pretty much

1237
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: covered a lot of the guys already. I talked about

1238
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: Ray Davis. Not only does he have contingent value. If

1239
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: Cook gets hurt, they're talking about giving Davis Cook more

1240
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: passing game work, and to me that means less Ty

1241
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: Johnson and more Ray Davis. He might have a bit

1242
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: of a floor. There's a couple guys I'm not on

1243
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: a make a Buka at cost. He had that fast start,

1244
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: he faded, Yes, he was hurt a little bit, but

1245
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a much better chance that Godwin or

1246
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: Jalen McMillan ended up being you know, I think those

1247
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: three guys might all end up being pretty good together,

1248
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: and Ibuka goes really high. One I'm fading is DeVante Adams.

1249
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: I just think his ADP it's fallen, but he's really

1250
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: getting up there in age and he was propped up

1251
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: by eighteen touchdowns.

1252
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: Something like that crazy crazy touchdown.

1253
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: Not that he can't do it again, right, but again

1254
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: that you know, he's just not That's one guy that

1255
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: I still would have liked to have seen fall more.

1256
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: How about you, Do you have a couple guys, because

1257
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: I really am struggling to answer that question right now,

1258
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: there's guys I like a little, you know, there's just

1259
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: nobody I want to like plant a flag on.

1260
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: The hardest part of my draft guide this year was probably,

1261
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: I mean the research was a lot, but like just

1262
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: the players who avoid section was tough.

1263
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the market seems pretty efficient right now.

1264
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: I went with the approach more so with my avoid

1265
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: section for the guide of like looking at specific platforms

1266
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: and saying this guy is just because it's a lot

1267
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: easier instead of looking at more consensus but strictly from

1268
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: like a best ball perspective. You know, quarterback is always

1269
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: a position where you can't really have a strong take

1270
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: because you're just simply stacking for the most part, right

1271
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: Like you know, in a manage le, I'm gonna probably

1272
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: not be as into a Joe Burrow, But if I

1273
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: have Jamar, Chaser T.

1274
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 3: Higgins and best ball, I'll still take Joe Burrow.

1275
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a little bit afraid as you are,

1276
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: of Jonathan Taylor at his cost, just because of especially

1277
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: d K where you know you get it's it's full pprs.

1278
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a of a difference for

1279
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: a guy like JT, who's maxed out in the eleven percent

1280
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: target share.

1281
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 3: I've got a thought, Yeah, what's what's that with JT?

1282
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, like in dfs in the old days Fan

1283
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: Duel and DraftKings, you know, some Sundays you play a

1284
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: lot of one guy on one site because he was

1285
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: priced differently than another. I'm having a hard time drafting

1286
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: some of the past catching backs, not that there's as

1287
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: many as there used to be on Dog, but they

1288
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: go basically in the same range on DraftKings, guys like

1289
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: Woody Marks, Dylan Sampson. I think is a tremendous country

1290
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: Draft Kings.

1291
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got so.

1292
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that is one area where I think

1293
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of value is in those past

1294
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: catching backs on DraftKings.

1295
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I agreed.

1296
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: I'll say what one player that I am very underweight on,

1297
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: and it's kind of contrarian because there's a lot of

1298
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: big names in the space that are very high on

1299
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: him as a sort of a middle round running back

1300
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: pick for for just getting some points is Tony Pollard.

1301
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: I should have mentioned him. I have. I think I

1302
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: have one percent Tony Pollard and last year I had

1303
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: twenty three percent.

1304
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really really a hard bet for me when

1305
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: you look at how he performed last year specifically as

1306
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: a receiver. You know, as you archs, parole run was

1307
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: really poor. It's been poor now for multiple seasons.

1308
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: He's not a young man anymore either.

1309
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: Not a young man.

1310
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: He he he had pretty bad splits with Taj Spears

1311
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: last year, even if you're just looking at you know,

1312
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: usage right and as his route share when Taj Spears

1313
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: was healthy.

1314
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: And I don't think Nick Singleton.

1315
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 2: Is necessarily a zero all season long. You know, there's

1316
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: a chance that we see some singleton down the stretch.

1317
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 2: And again one of the past that you're talking about,

1318
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, Dylan Samson laid on dk TA Jay Spears

1319
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: in the same boat where he could easily just be

1320
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: a pass catching you know, play from behind kind of back,

1321
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: which is how he's been deployed.

1322
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: And it's a new coaching staff and such, but not that.

1323
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: But Tennessee's offense could suck, realistic, you know, like that's

1324
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: also where things go south. So I found myself in

1325
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: that Pollard range going more with like Jalen Warren, Ramandre Stevenson,

1326
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: players that I have.

1327
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: The same, you know, just like and I really like

1328
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: Warren because he could be the guy that they're dropping

1329
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: off fifty sixty Rogers could be dropping off fifty sixty passes.

1330
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: And ultimately I think he's a better running back than

1331
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: Rico Dowdle too.

1332
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree Jalen Warren.

1333
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Warren and this is maybe a slightly

1334
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: hot take, but like, I think he's one of the

1335
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: most underrated like real life running backs in the NFL period,

1336
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 2: Like he's really good at all offense.

1337
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: It's a new staff, it's a new game.

1338
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that people are attached to the

1339
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: McCarthy dawdle thing, and I get it, but I've leaned

1340
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: more Warren than Yeah.

1341
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: Everyone's attached to somebody until the other guy's better. Yeah, right, Like, ultimately,

1342
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: people underestimate how much coaches want to win and how

1343
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: much Aaron Rodgers is going to be, Like, get this

1344
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: guy off the field and give me Jalen Warren.

1345
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, great pass protector, great pass catcher. I mean, there's

1346
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 2: a lot to like those.

1347
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1348
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: I do think that is definitely a really, really good one.

1349
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: I like that, and Warren has become one of my

1350
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: favorite players, and I just think that in general. One

1351
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: of the underestimated things that I beat myself up for

1352
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: for not doing in the past that I've gotten better

1353
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: at is if I don't like powered and there's really

1354
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: only two guys. Singleton could do it, but he's coming

1355
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: off the foot. I'm up to about eighteen percent on

1356
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: Tajy Spears. I've always had a lot of Spears. I

1357
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: loved him coming out. I thought he had some really

1358
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: unique skills, and I think but from just a strategic standpoint,

1359
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: if you're really down on one guy, make sure you

1360
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: take the backup because then you're getting double pay if.

1361
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: You helped me. Yeah, that helped me so much last

1362
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 3: year with Cuba and Rico.

1363
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was I was fading Tuba last year and

1364
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: and naturally just gravitated towards Rico.

1365
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: And that's awesome. It's true. Yeah, it's very true.

1366
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 2: All right, Before I let you go, I am borderline

1367
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 2: sweating and kind of see it if you're watching on.

1368
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: You my takes weren't hot enough. I'm sorry, Well that's no.

1369
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you got to give me one fire bold

1370
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: take before I let you go, as I do with

1371
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: every guest, so so so throw it out there.

1372
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: I got two. One is that Brock Bauers leads the

1373
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,440
Speaker 1: NFL in receptions.

1374
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that.

1375
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: And the other one is that one of Jonah Coleman

1376
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: or Demon Clayborn workout roles to start the season. Yeah,

1377
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: and and and and and that one of them end

1378
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: up being the lead back going down the stretch.

1379
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 3: Can I can I tell people a little bit of

1380
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 3: a secret here.

1381
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: First off, I've loved this conversation because it literally just

1382
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: devolved into a conversation.

1383
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't you know?

1384
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 2: And this is what I think becoming bestball bro is

1385
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: all about and what I think people like to hear.

1386
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 3: But I'll share a little secret.

1387
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 2: Joonah Coleman right now is by far my highest exposed

1388
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: player on draft.

1389
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: What do you like about him?

1390
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: So I my stance on Coleman from a prospecting standpoint,

1391
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 2: and like with my model and going through all of that,

1392
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: was Denver looked at JK. Dobbins and said, hey, we

1393
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: like you, but we know that you're not durable. Right

1394
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 2: And and not only that, they use JK. Dobbins in

1395
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: a very one dimensional way last year. He was not

1396
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: a pass catcher, and.

1397
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: They use Harvey pretty much the same.

1398
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Harvey Harvey was their pass catcher, and They're

1399
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: like the I have a stance that I think Dobbins

1400
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 2: is actually the player that I'm gonna that I'm least

1401
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: high on of the three by far, just because I

1402
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: don't see the ceiling outcome for him enough, just just

1403
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: giving the pas mass catching role that he has.

1404
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 3: But with with R. J. Harvey, you know, they certainly

1405
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 3: see saw player.

1406
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: You know, I thought as a prospect he was a

1407
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: little bit overvalued by the market. I didn't mind him

1408
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: at redraft last year. But from a dynasty standpoint, I

1409
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: wasn't like jumping for joy about.

1410
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 3: Harvey as I did.

1411
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, with that being said, I think he did have

1412
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: some explosion. I do think that he showed off some

1413
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: pass catching chops last year, right, and so so in

1414
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: that environment, you know that he's getting some high Like

1415
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: if you look at his weighted opportunity last year, even

1416
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 2: with Dobbins, it wasn't as because I think a lot

1417
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: of times people understate the value of a target, especially

1418
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: in a full PPR platform. And anyways, they're looking at

1419
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 2: Jonah Coleman and they're saying, hey, we tried to rely

1420
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 2: on you down the stretch.

1421
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 3: What you weren't reliable enough.

1422
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: You know, one of the worst players in rushing yards

1423
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: over expected per attempt last year could play a pass

1424
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: catching role. I think they still are going to use

1425
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: him in the red zone and in that sort of

1426
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: like gadgety way that they did last year. But Dobbins,

1427
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: they said, hey, I don't know if you could really

1428
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: carry this workload for us for the entire season. So

1429
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: let's get one of the most boring all around backs

1430
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 2: in last in this year's draft, and Janah Coleman, who

1431
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: is not explosive.

1432
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 3: That's what R. J. Harvey brings to the table. But

1433
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 3: he can pass pro I.

1434
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: Think I think he's more explosive than people give him credit.

1435
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 2: There's there's a possibility, there's a definite possibility of that,

1436
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 2: but at the very but but I do think that

1437
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,480
Speaker 2: Harvey is more explosive.

1438
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: There's no doubt.

1439
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 3: From a trade perspective, completely agree.

1440
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a Harvey guy, but that's he is, right.

1441
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: So so my stance with Coleman is that he backs

1442
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: up both positions. He can play a pass catching role

1443
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: for them because he's he proved that in college and

1444
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: he was good at doing that in college as a

1445
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: three down guy. But he can be a bruiser too,

1446
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: and he might even get some goal line work as

1447
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 2: as the season goes on, especially if they're worried about

1448
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: Dobbins and injury, et cetera and seeing that short yardage stuff.

1449
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: So to me, Coleman is someone who should get some

1450
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: work in a three headed backfield. Like I think he's

1451
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: going to get something in that backfield. And you're buying fifteen,

1452
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: sixteenth round in DraftKings, you're buying points late. That's all

1453
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 2: it is to me. But He has also multiple outs

1454
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: for contingent upside right where where if one of those

1455
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: two get hurt, he's all of a sudden going to

1456
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 2: be a ten plus touch per game type player.

1457
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: This ties into one of my hot takes and back

1458
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: to your first question. Everyone is convinced this running back

1459
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: class is crap. Right, you've heard it, and overall it.

1460
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, you're right, you heard it from me, it

1461
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 3: to us.

1462
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn't mean there aren't going to be

1463
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: two or three guys.

1464
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 3: I agree.

1465
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: Who you know? The NFL needs running backs every year,

1466
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 1: Guys get hurt, Guys age out. So to me, Jonah

1467
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: Coleman does a couple things. One, he is very good

1468
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: at cutbacks and when you have a big offensive line,

1469
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 1: that guy who can make that one cut get up field.

1470
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 1: I think Sean Payton's going to love that. Sean Payton's

1471
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: also going to love the fact that he can be

1472
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: on the field and you don't know whether it's going

1473
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: to be run or pass where the Dobbins, Yes, sometimes

1474
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: it's going to be a pass, but most of the

1475
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 1: But my point is Jonah Coleman can play both sides.

1476
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: He can pass, block, and the weird thing is he

1477
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: had more college receptions in each of his last two

1478
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: years than R. J. Harvey did. Yes, Okay, now that

1479
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean a heck of a lot. You know, college

1480
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 1: reception totals are completely unsticky. But when I first looked

1481
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: that up and saw it, I was like, there's something

1482
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: no one thinks.

1483
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: I mean, even when I look at my adjusted receiving

1484
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: numbers in the Zapp model, Jonah Coleman still looks better

1485
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: than what RJ. Harvey did from a receiving side.

1486
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that because it's what I saw

1487
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: on tape. And I'm no expert, but I really Jonah

1488
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: Coleman and Emma Johnson have been my two highest stone guys.

1489
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: I just think Coleman has a clearer path to being

1490
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: the number one.

1491
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 3: It's just weird, Like I just didn't like JK. Dobbins.

1492
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: I I loved him last year. I drapted a ton

1493
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: of Dobbins. I had him as a as a target.

1494
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 2: I love that we're just ending this show on on

1495
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: some random Broncos backfield. The best ball Bros did Dobbins,

1496
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: though Dobbins did not have the ceiling and the the season.

1497
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: Even when you just look at his output that I

1498
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: think people believe he did. It's just that they got

1499
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: him at a good price and he was a value

1500
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 2: piece for them and.

1501
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: The other thing. They brought him back, but it wasn't

1502
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: like he was a priority bring back. He was out

1503
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: there for a couple of weeks before they brought him back. Yeah.

1504
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's coming off an injury that no one

1505
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 3: talks about. That's the anothers to it.

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01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, So yeah, I mean I could easily,

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: you know, we could look back at this and January.

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01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 2: I didn't mind Claiborne. You know, he's undersize. That's that's

1509
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: the biggest issue. I think I've oddly this season turned

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 2: into never been a Jordan Mason guy. I'm drafting Jordan

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01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: Mason for the first time. I've been a fantasy career.

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: Spike Week guys got me taking.

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've been.

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01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 2: I've been for the first time drafting Jordan Mason when

1515
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 2: I've you know, railed against him historically.

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01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: I kind of dug him. But you know, I don't know,

1517
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: my memory must have been bad. I didn't think he

1518
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: was that good last year. But the numbers that Eric

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01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: explosive Eric shared, Yeah, so I think you know, I

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01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: think the Vikings offense, I think the Bucks offense are

1521
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: two really less expensive offenses that could be top five

1522
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: to seven offenses.

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 3: Right, that could be good this year. Yeah, agreed?

1524
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 2: All right, Todd, let everyone know where they can find

1525
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 2: you take all that good stuff. This was a great conversation.

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01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: I I have. I'm retired right now, I'm nowhere. I'm

1527
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: not podcasting on my own. I had a really good concept.

1528
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: No one wanted to hear about it, and I, you know,

1529
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: so I am just trying to prove everyone wrong by

1530
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: kicking everyone's ass and I love it.

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01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 3: I love it. Good stuff. But you're on.

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01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 1: Twitter though, at Best Ball NFL and pretty easy to remember.

1533
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: And I really enjoyed this, and I hope we fight

1534
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: each other out for the top prize on DraftKings this year.

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01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 3: Agreed.

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 2: Agreed, Yeah, you were on last year, had some really

1537
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: great feedback from people. They loved it, so I had

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: to bring you back again this year. And I really

1539
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: enjoyed you know, your insight. I think you bring, you know,

1540
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 2: some uniqueness to the table from an analysis standpoint. So

1541
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Everyone else listening, thank you

1542
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: for your time as well. Hopefully you liked, you know,

1543
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: the little rambling that that Todd and I had at

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01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: the end.

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01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: Now I'm always very succinct.

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01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah right right, But make sure you check out lateround

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01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:47,839
Speaker 3: dot com.

1548
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 2: The Draft Guide is out that's being updated weekly. Check

1549
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: that out.

1550
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: It is for sale.

1551
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel and the podcast,

1552
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: but otherwise everyone, thanks for tuning in.