1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 4: We are a sibling railvalry. 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 3: No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth. 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 4: Revelry. 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 3: That's good. 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 4: Part two of the Best of Sibling Revelry. 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 5: We're going to talk about this next guest who's in 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 5: the waiting room right now. 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 4: Her name is Alicia Silverstone and. 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 5: I had such a massive crush on her during Clueless. 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: Hello, Oh there she is. 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: There are you right now? 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 5: I'm in Colorado. My boys just left today, so now 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 5: I get a little time with just Aaron to hang. 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 5: But I think I'm too attached to my kids. Well duh, 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 5: now I know, but I don't know if it's unhealthy. 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 5: It's finely not unhealthy, but I don't know. I just 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 5: love them being around. Yeah, of course, you know, so 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 5: you got into the game because you love being an actor. 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 4: Fame, money, all that was never really in your purview. 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 5: But once sort of that hits, once you start to 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 5: get recognized like a ton and you become famous. Was 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 5: that something you railed against or is it just part 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 5: of what you needed to accept. 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: I think I railed against it for a long time. Yeah, 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: I have very much. 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 5: You know. 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: I think when you there's no school for how like, 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: there's no preparation for this. And if you don't have 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: anyone around you who's been through this with someone else, 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: how are you? You know, some actors have management and 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: agents who have had many people before them, right, and 36 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: so they can help them, I think hopefully with this 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: is how this goes, and oh yeah, maybe do this, 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: and you know, but if you don't have anyone in 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: your world who's ever dealt with anything like this before, 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: and you don't know what you're doing, it is incredibly overwhelming. 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: And I was not prepared in any way, shape or 42 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: form for any of it. So I really I bailed, 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: and I went really deep into my activism, you know 44 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: that made sense to me, and you know, went to 45 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: Africa to help elephants, and went to the Amazon River 46 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: to help with the rainforest with Woody, and you know, 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: was going on these trips of sort of discovery and 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: living and trying to do good and yeah, and then 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: at one point I realized because I had gotten so 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: deep into it, you know, I was writing books. I 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: wrote The Kind Diet, I wrote The Kind Mama, and 52 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: I had started a website, The Kind Life, and I 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: was so involved with that, and then I think one 54 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: day it occurred to me, like I really love acting, 55 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: and why can't I do both? And the thing is 56 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: is you have to kind of start all over because 57 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: you've shut all these doors, so you know I did. 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: That never occurred to me when I went fuck you 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: went out. I didn't occur to me that they wouldn't 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: be right there waiting when I came back. Yeah, I 61 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: just am obsessed with my son, I know, being with him, 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: and we we're watching Stranger Things right now, and David 63 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Harber and I are good pals because we worked together 64 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: on a play a long time ago. And anyway, so 65 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: I give him the play by play as I'm watching it, like. 66 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 6: Or whatever. 67 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: But but bear, like, you know, he's oll. I probably 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't talk that bear because he won't, you know. But anyway, 69 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: get some snuggles, and I don't I don't want them 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: to be taken away by him hearing this. 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I still. 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's just you know, he's my favorite. And 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: I have a good life and I'm so lucky, Like 74 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: we're so lucky that we're eight and that we're healthy 75 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: and that we have great food to eat, and I 76 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: feel like we are not surviving, we are thriving. 77 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, this next segment with his next guest, who I 78 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 5: worked with on a Netflix show called A Mary Little 79 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 5: ex Miss. But we hit it off tremendously immediately because 80 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 5: she has absolutely no filter, as do I, as I don't, 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 5: as do I not. 82 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: Whatever the correct. 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 5: English is, So please welcome into the show. Onto the show, Jamila, Jamil. 84 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question. Do you think controversy 85 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 5: follows you or do you bring in controversy? 86 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 7: I think I hunt it out? 87 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 4: Do you hunt it out? 88 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: I hunt it down? 89 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 7: Rather, I seek it out and then I hunt it down. 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 7: I think it's I think it's both. I think I 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 7: think I I don't want to be a controversial person, 92 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 7: and in fact, I don't really understand why I am 93 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 7: deemed so controversial, why the media try to frame me 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 7: is so controversial. But I am aware when I am 95 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 7: poking the hornet's nest, I'm aware that it's a touchy 96 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 7: subject and that doesn't deter me. So I think I'm 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 7: just unafraid of controversy rather than literally courting it. But 98 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 7: people make it seem like asking for sort of equality 99 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 7: is a really crazy thing to do. 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 4: But why do you think you're they're crazy? Well, I 101 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: know because I look, we're friends. Now, I follow you. 102 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: I see all the shit that you sort of, you know, 103 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 4: stir up. 104 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 5: And then I see you know, you posting things and 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 5: this and that, and you know, sort of pleading your case. Essentially, 106 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 5: you're saying, well, here's the truth, here's the reality of 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 5: all of this. But why do you think you're a target? 108 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 7: Because I threaten massive institutions, and I think I threatened systems, 109 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 7: And because I'm a decent communicator, I sometimes have been 110 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 7: proved and to inspire other people to also use their voices, 111 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 7: and that can be very dangerous when it comes to 112 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 7: disrupting or dismantling power. And so they want to make 113 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 7: an example of those of us who stand up and 114 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 7: speak loudly so that other people won't want to do it. 115 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 7: So if they, you know, humiliate you, or lie about you, 116 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 7: or take things away from you, then other people will 117 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 7: be deterred from following in your path. And so I 118 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 7: think I just fly a little too close to the sun. 119 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 7: But that's okay, because you know, I never planned on 120 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 7: this career anyway, so it's inevitable it's going to, you know, 121 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 7: all go down in flames. 122 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 5: But how did activism? First of all, do you consider 123 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: yourself an activist? 124 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: No? 125 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 5: No, okay, that's what I thought. I knew that, But 126 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 5: I'm really the audience right now. 127 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 6: We use that word, we give that. 128 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 5: Word, we exactly define, define potentially what you feel that 129 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 5: you are. And then what activism is or what an 130 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 5: activist is. Why is that word so kind of diluted now? 131 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: Well, because it's trendy. 132 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 7: It became trendy after the mar To movement, and anyone 133 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 7: who said anything that went against the current was suddenly 134 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 7: named an activist and deemed an activist, and a lot 135 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 7: of people in our industry believed it. And I think 136 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 7: to be called an activist you have to be an 137 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 7: actual organizer, who's taking actual risks, who's on the ground 138 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 7: without the privilege and protection to know it's fundamentally going 139 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 7: to be okay if you take this stance or you 140 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 7: make this you know, make the stand. And so I 141 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 7: would call myself and the rest of us privileged fools advocates. 142 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 7: You can advocate for a cause, you can signal a 143 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 7: cause to other people and highlight other great voices. But 144 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 7: to deem myself an activist when I'm posting from my 145 00:07:50,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 7: movie trailer, it's bowel business, it's foolery. 146 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 5: Brooks and Sarah Jane Nader the Nators, two of the 147 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 5: four Nator sisters, are waiting in the waiting room. They've 148 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 5: got a new show coming out, Love Thy Nator. Very 149 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: excited to talk to them. I have a feeling it's 150 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 5: going to go well, off the rails, maybe a little unhinged. 151 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 5: I think we're gonna get a real idea of who 152 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 5: these girls are. So let's bring them in. 153 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: How are you guys? 154 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Really? 155 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 4: I'm good. Where are you You in? La? 156 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 5: Right? 157 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: In La La? Is that that? 158 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 4: Where are you originally from? 159 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 6: We're from Indiana? Baton Rouge, Baton Rouge. 160 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 5: Okay, give me just give me a sense of the 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 5: childhood story growing up. Yeah, you know how how you 162 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 5: got to where you got to How we went from 163 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 5: Baton Rouge to Love Thy Nator. 164 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 6: It was a journey, it was basically, I mean, the 165 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 6: short version is all my sisters copyed me. You know, 166 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 6: you're a simpling. You get it, and I moved to 167 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 6: New York, dropped out of college to pursue modeling, and 168 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 6: they just saw how much fun I was having, and 169 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 6: each girl, one by one soon followed and then we 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 6: just fell in love with New York and you know, 171 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 6: planted our roots there and now we just can't get. 172 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: Enough of it. 173 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,119 Speaker 5: And growing up in a conservative family, I mean, obviously 174 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 5: you didn't adhere to much of those. 175 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 4: Values or do you? Did you? How did that work 176 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 4: out for you? 177 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 5: And how did your parents sort of deal with three 178 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 5: girls or four girls who were just kind of like, 179 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 5: all right, cool, we love you, but maybe this isn't 180 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 5: how we. 181 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: Want to go. 182 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. 183 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think like I growing up was like kind 184 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 8: of conformist, like I didn't really speak out about things 185 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 8: that I didn't believe in or like wanted to do, 186 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 8: And then moving to New York really like freed me. 187 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 8: I think Brooks was always a wild child, rule breaker, 188 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 8: like always crying, so. 189 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 6: I've never had privileges. 190 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 8: She was like just always pushing the envelope and challenging 191 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 8: my parents, I think, and they were also the hardest 192 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 8: on her because she's the oldest. But yeah, I think 193 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 8: it was different for each of us, but once we 194 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 8: moved to New York, it was really like free for all. 195 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 8: Like Brooks wasn't allowed to wear a bikinis for whole life. 196 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 8: And then moved to New York and got on Sports 197 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 8: Illustrated and it's like on the cover and like. 198 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 6: But annoyed me about towards Iustrated was I was like, 199 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 6: I'm gonna show my parents, like I'm gonna wear a 200 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 6: two piece bikini whatever. And then my words Ultrated cover, 201 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 6: I was in a one piece and I was like, 202 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 6: come on, whatever, exnon does still followed our rules. You're 203 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 6: in a one piece? 204 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is funny. But did your parents? 205 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 4: Did your parents? 206 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 5: Because you know, I have friends who grew up in 207 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 5: very sort of Christian households who had real rebellion and 208 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 5: it didn't go so well, you know what I mean, 209 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 5: because the values that their parents were trying to instill 210 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 5: upon them were so ingrained that they had no room 211 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 5: to let their children sort of even experience their own shit. Yeah, 212 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 5: your parents understanding like, hey, this is what we these 213 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 5: are our values, these are this is what we grew 214 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 5: up on. We try to instill this into our children, 215 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 5: but they are who they are they're individuals and we're 216 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 5: gonna love them no matter what, you know, or was 217 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 5: there some contention where it's like, no, you need to 218 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: be this. 219 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 6: I think that they've conformed as we've like entered this 220 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 6: new era of being in the industry and whatever, because 221 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 6: they do just want us to be happy. But I 222 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 6: think when we were growing up, especially for me because 223 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 6: I was the oldest, you know how it is, you 224 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 6: get the brunt of all the rules and things and 225 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 6: then the youngest does whatever the fuck they want m 226 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 6: So for me, it was like a very much so 227 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 6: like we will beat you into submission to like follow 228 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 6: our fucking rules, and like you're not gonna not follow them, 229 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So like I would like 230 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 6: work my ass off and then you know, make the 231 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 6: dance team, and like I was so thrilled about that. 232 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 6: And then there's one party night on dance team where 233 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 6: you go teepeeing, you know, the football player's house. I 234 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 6: was so excited about that. I worked my ass off 235 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 6: to be on the dance team and I was one 236 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 6: minute late to breakfast table at seven am and they go, nope, 237 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 6: you're not doing rolling nights, And like parents were calling 238 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 6: my my parents and being like she worked so hard, 239 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 6: she didn't make it the first year, she was devastated 240 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 6: sophomore or she made it and this is the one 241 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 6: night and you guys are really going to take it 242 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 6: from her, and they're like, that's our role. Sorry, And 243 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 6: you know, they found out I had sex. My door 244 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 6: was broken down. You know I didn't have a door. 245 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 246 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I think. 247 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 8: They were like so strict when we were growing up 248 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 8: because they just wanted us to like do exactly what 249 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 8: they said. And then I feel like, I feel like 250 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 8: they're so young, like they were raising us and they 251 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 8: were like. 252 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 3: The guys we date are their age women, right, they're. 253 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 6: And I'm like, my dad's like, don't let them be 254 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 6: older than me. I'm like, they're gonna get the room. 255 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 6: I'm like, you're too young for that to be the rule. 256 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 8: But I think like they are growing up with us, 257 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 8: so like, as we've moved to New York and like 258 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 8: experience this whole new life, they are sort of like 259 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 8: experiencing life for the first time too, because they didn't 260 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 8: have their twenties. 261 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 6: They were like and they also didn't stop trying to 262 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 6: feed up. 263 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 5: Oh that's that's an interesting take Actually, I mean they 264 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: are sort of living Vicrria sleid through you guys exactly. 265 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're like even when they come here to La, 266 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 6: we have this awesome house we've printed, like it's so 267 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 6: cute to see there's this TikTok to and it's like, yeah, 268 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 6: don't forget, it's your parents' first time living too. And 269 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 6: he's just videoing every little thing, all the love Dinator 270 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 6: billboards like he hasn't you know. They haven't traveled like 271 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 6: they left the country for the first time with us, 272 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 6: like you know, several years ago. So they're experiencing life 273 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 6: for the first time. And it's fun to see them 274 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 6: like get to live life with us and have an 275 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 6: appreciation for it because they didn't grow up doing any 276 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 6: of that. 277 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 5: It's interesting too because it probably I don't know if 278 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 5: they've talked to you about it or not, but it's 279 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: shifted their perspective. How could it not, Meaning we laid 280 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 5: down all these rules for our girls, We had these 281 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 5: expectations for who they were supposed to be based on 282 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 5: who we were. 283 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 4: That's not how it works, you know what I'm saying. 284 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 5: I have three kids, you know you do, Yeah, so 285 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 5: of course you're trying to be the best father. You're 286 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 5: trying to instill what you want to instill in them. 287 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 5: But I was fucking wild, you know, I was nutty. 288 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 5: It's still my mom's fifty. 289 00:13:59,400 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: I still am. 290 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 5: But you know, my kids when they start to do 291 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 5: these things and experiment, I've experienced them. So it would 292 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 5: be hypocrite, It would be hypocritical for me to, you know, 293 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 5: to get on them now I really still wisdom and say, 294 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 5: look I went through this, so here watch out for 295 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 5: these pitfalls. But for your parents, it's interesting because they 296 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 5: have to have shifted and changed after sort of being 297 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 5: able to experience you guys and your successes and see 298 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 5: how great you are. 299 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 6: Right Like, they didn't grow up like to your point 300 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 6: of view saying like you did all the wild, crazy 301 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 6: things partying, So now you're like get it with your 302 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 6: kids and how them. My parents did not, like alcohol 303 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 6: was not in our households growing their wedding, they didn't smoke, 304 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 6: they didn't have alcohol their wedding. They had a huge 305 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 6: menage ceremony, like they started drinking, like when we started 306 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 6: literally at like you know, forty years old of them, 307 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 6: I like it, you know, like now like my dad 308 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 6: will get like wasted off of like two weeks. 309 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: It's like adorable. 310 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 6: He's like a college kid and he also looks like one. 311 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 6: So we were like brooks like who is this guy? 312 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 6: And I'm like, my fucking dad. 313 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 4: Okay, how old are your parents? Are you fucking kidding me? 314 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 6: That's when I'm my dad on like camera and stuff 315 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 6: like people, it looks like we're dating. Actually I can 316 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 6: throw them into the pod. I can tell me, yeah, 317 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 6: your parents are all here. Our whole family's here. 318 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 5: Dad, Dad, Oh, dad, me, I gotta meet dad. 319 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: All right, meet over. 320 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 6: He has this podcast. 321 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 5: Are you doing? 322 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: Man? 323 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 4: Hey dad? How are you? 324 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 8: Man? 325 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: I'm great a man. Look at you. Look at this. 326 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 4: Look at this handsome handsome man. 327 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 9: I appreciate. 328 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 10: I like this. 329 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 5: Call a handsome man. That's crazy. I mean we were 330 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 5: talking to your girls. You were a young man when 331 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: you had these girls. You and I are basically the 332 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 5: same age. I have three kids, but I have seventeen, 333 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 5: fifteen and twelve. 334 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 6: Oh you're actually a young young dad too. 335 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: I was thirty. I was twenty nine. 336 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what are your boy? Girl? 337 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 11: What do you have? 338 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 5: Two boys and a little girl? Wilder Body in Rio 339 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 5: I love. 340 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: Ye the girl and man the girl. 341 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: We we Yeah, it was a pursuit. I'll tell you that. 342 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: It was crazy. We had the two boys. 343 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 5: We decided to go for the third girl with the 344 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 5: third kid, hoping it was a girl, and we got lucky. 345 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: I love that girl. 346 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 6: God that the only girl he got. 347 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 9: Man, a man with out daughters lives half a life, Yeah, 348 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 9: whole life. 349 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question, though, were you trying 350 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 4: to have a boy? 351 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 9: You know, once we had a couple of girls, and 352 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 9: then we loved the idea of them being close in 353 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 9: age and having sisters with each other, and so by 354 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 9: the time this little thing came along, we were thrilled 355 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 9: that it was another girl. So be happier. Absolutely makes 356 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 9: it makes it simpler too. It didn't have to have 357 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 9: a boy to clutter up, you know, it. 358 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 5: Was just no, I know now you had boy names 359 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 5: already picked up. 360 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 6: We did. 361 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably my name is a boy name books. 362 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 6: Because they actually never found out that gender with all 363 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 6: four of us, they. 364 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 4: Just had them right. Oh yeah, I did that. We 365 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 4: did that as well. Yeah, it's the last great secret. 366 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 4: It's the last great secret. 367 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 6: I think that's you guys are gonna be best friends. 368 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: Know we should everyone should be surprised. 369 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 9: I mean, how often do you get to be surprised 370 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 9: with something like that? 371 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 4: Never? 372 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 6: Never that you didn't find out? I love that? 373 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? No, So how do you? How are you? 374 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 5: How did you deal with your girls sort of not 375 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 5: bucking who you guys are, necessarily your sort of conservative nature, 376 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 5: but being themselves, letting them sort of expand and be 377 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: who they are. 378 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 4: I mean, was that tough for you? 379 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: Well? 380 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 9: I mean certain certain times are tough. Whenever they make 381 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 9: decisions that you know then then are painful, or they 382 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 9: have consequences or whatever. You hate to see your kid 383 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 9: have to deal with that. But the goal was always independence. 384 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 9: We want them to be independent, make their own decisions, 385 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 9: live their own life, and family is the hill we 386 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 9: die on. Does No matter what choices you make, it 387 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 9: all comes down to the family. We love our family, 388 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 9: our girls no matter what, and that will always be 389 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 9: the case. 390 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 6: So when I got divorced, Yeah, that was the worst 391 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 6: for them. He was like, I have to say goodbye. 392 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 9: I like him, I still like him, I wish him 393 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 9: the best, But you guys were on a different path 394 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 9: and that's fine. So that was that was the one 395 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 9: we did roll with. 396 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 6: The punches, Oliver. I told Oliver that I got the 397 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 6: brunch of it. Oliver's also the eldest sibling. And punishment 398 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 6: and like the just you guys really being hard on 399 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 6: me because I was. 400 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 9: Okay, we were hardest on Brooksy though. Well, you know, 401 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 9: you're a young parent and you're learning how to be 402 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 9: a parent, so you're going to err on the side 403 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 9: of strict and you know, hey, you got. 404 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 6: To tell me the time this one came along and 405 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 6: was a lesbian and everything. 406 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 9: They were barely barely aware that she was in the house. 407 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 9: So was very independent early on and very responsible, at 408 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 9: least we thought she was. 409 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: She was responsible. 410 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 4: Responsible of course. 411 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 5: Well, as a parent, it's hard because you never want 412 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 5: your children to be in pain or hurting in any way, 413 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 5: and you want to do everything that you can to 414 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 5: sort of wrap your arms around them and take it away. 415 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: At the same time, they need. 416 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 5: To go through what they need to go through, callous 417 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 5: to build character, to know that they can get through 418 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 5: that ship, you know. 419 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 9: Absolutely true, no other way to learn those lessons and mature. 420 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I know, I know, Oliver and broke. 421 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: This and how is it being on camera? 422 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 6: He was a star. 423 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 9: It was a little awkward, you know, reality TV. It's 424 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 9: a little awkward because you you're there, you're having dinner 425 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 9: or whatever. You don't want it to be boring, and 426 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 9: so you know. 427 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: Are you boring? 428 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 11: Dad? 429 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 2: No, I'm saying me. 430 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 9: I'm saying me. 431 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 6: And so I'm hilarious. He has so many one miners. 432 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 6: And also, by the way, I'm not fully prepared, but 433 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 6: I've started to get them in la the pastades. We've 434 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 6: been out all the delf commentary, which I told you 435 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 6: what that means. 436 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he did. Oh there, he goes. 437 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I say that that's like a thing that people 438 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 6: are saying about you, and it's it's disgusting. 439 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 4: Well, he is a delf. Are you kidding me? Look 440 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: at him? 441 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 9: Okay, God, I'm not. 442 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 4: He's a that's a handsome man right there. 443 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 6: It's adorable, sir. Jeane did say the other day, Sorry, Dad, 444 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 6: you might want to leave this one. But we do 445 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 6: have tour. Our taste is around fifties. 446 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 8: You're the only single sisters, and we're like older Maliman 447 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 8: and sometimes like a personality more than a look on 448 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 8: a guy. 449 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 6: And thing goes when we're into visa, she goes. 450 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: We needed a new rule. 451 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 6: We can't buck anyone that's uglier than Dad. 452 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 3: I was like to. 453 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: Do, that's not possible. 454 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 5: No, he looks like like Superman. You know his face, 455 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 5: he's got the he's got the wave. 456 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 4: You know, he's date. 457 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 6: We need to get him a hair deal. 458 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 4: His hair is like, he's got amazing hair. 459 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: I'm excited to talk to these youngs. 460 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want to leave him waiting. We don't 461 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: leave him waiting. 462 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 12: Today I have to say their mom I feel like 463 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 12: was like your first real Oh my gosh. Yeah. 464 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, well it was because of first of all, Uptown Girl, 465 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 5: the video, and then you've got you know, vacation in 466 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 5: the Red Ferrari and at. 467 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: The pool, which is unforgettable. 468 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: I come in for everyone. 469 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 12: Yeah, in the eighties, that was like one of the 470 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 12: great moments of all time. 471 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Christy Brinkley was it. Yeah. 472 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 12: I mean it's like she's still it so hot. Oh, 473 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 12: she's so hot, it's insane. 474 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 3: Her energy. Yeah, everything I look at her. Oh. 475 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 12: My stylist used to style her sometimes when she was 476 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 12: in New York and said she was just like the greatest, 477 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 12: most inspiring woman because she's just so filled energy and happy. 478 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: And she's very joyful. I know. Well, let's see if 479 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: it rubbed off on any of these kids. 480 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, so we got Alexa, Ray Jel and Jack 481 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 12: Brinkley cook yep, JBC is what I. 482 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: Like to call him. 483 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: Do you want to let him in, Allie? 484 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, let him in? 485 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 10: Hi? 486 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 12: Going on, guys, Hey, guys, where are you right now? 487 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: Are you in? Are you east coast? 488 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 10: We're east coast? 489 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 490 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 10: Actually at our family house? So oh nice in sag Harbor. 491 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 3: Oh I'm jealous. 492 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: Anyway, how was that growing up? 493 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 10: Honestly a little big grow because he's so much my little. 494 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 5: Big briend, you know, because the nine years is a 495 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 5: pretty good difference, Like, how did that work? 496 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: How did you guys get close? You know? What was 497 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: it like growing up with someone who was like your 498 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: little man? Essentially? 499 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 10: Yeah? You know, we got close later in life, I 500 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 10: think because it's he was more with sailor when you 501 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 10: guys were like really little, because that's a huge age difference. 502 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 10: And I was an angsty teen, so I was sort 503 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 10: of very much introverted and then just I would say 504 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 10: the last what fifteen years, Well, so in adult, in 505 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 10: our adulthood. 506 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 3: When when I was ten years. 507 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 11: Old younger, she was nineteen years old and already moved 508 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 11: out of the house. 509 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 10: And so going backing which difference hits then. 510 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 11: Yeah, and going back to being in the Hamptons. What 511 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 11: was what was especially cool was when I got to fifteen, sixteen, 512 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 11: seventeen years old and the Hampton's weekends weren't cutting it anymore. 513 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 11: I used to go and stay with Alexa in the 514 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 11: city anymore. And my mom was very strict, and she, 515 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 11: you know, she gave me a strict twelve am curfew 516 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 11: when all my other friends had like a one am curfew, 517 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 11: two am curfew. And Alexa was amazing because I would 518 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 11: stay with her. And I think that she sometimes used 519 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 11: a little bit of discretion where when I would, you know, 520 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 11: come home thirty minutes late, she wouldn't get me in trouble. 521 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 11: But she was strict enough with a few times when 522 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 11: it was like three in the morning and three thirty 523 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 11: in the morning the next day, Oh, I was probably 524 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 11: in trouble. 525 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 4: You added out your little brother. 526 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 10: Well, you know, I'm I'm a real homekeeper, so with 527 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 10: my apartment, I'm a little bit of a OCD, like 528 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 10: neat freak. So if things aren't just the way I 529 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 10: want them. There's a little bit of a problem. 530 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 11: She's a hyper neat freak. She she everything she does 531 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 11: is meticulous. 532 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 10: So yeah, see the flowers in the bat I like 533 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 10: to keep things. 534 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 3: What's your sign? 535 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 10: Eat things pretty? Does he you get like I get 536 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 10: stressed if there's clutter around. 537 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 538 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: I don't like clutter, hate it. Alex. Let's start with you. 539 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 12: So you you grew up. You were eight years old 540 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 12: when your parents divorced. Dad's Billy Joel, mom's Christie Ray. 541 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 12: We got to get into the parents because, like I 542 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 12: was saying to Oliver before you guys got on that, 543 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 12: that was clearly Oliver's like first like one of his 544 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 12: big crushes was your mom. Oh of course, yeah, I 545 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 12: mean like the hottest, like the Ferrari you know, vacation 546 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 12: situation was like your mom was just everything. 547 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, iconic, the ultimate. 548 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 12: But you came out of like the like they were 549 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 12: just such a couple, you know, and when when they 550 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 12: broke up, would do you like, do you remember it? 551 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 10: Of course? 552 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: Yeah? 553 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 10: I was nine. I was nine years old when they divorced, 554 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 10: and uh yeah, I mean you know they were my 555 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 10: world and we were the three Musketeers. So we were 556 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 10: always together, singing, Mom, would you know, bring me out 557 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 10: on the road. And we were very just sort of 558 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 10: like a musical family, always singing together, always putting on 559 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 10: a show. And so, yeah, it was it was a 560 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 10: shock to me. But you know, you should you should 561 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 10: probably watch my father's documentary and so, because it really 562 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 10: delves into all of that and the pressures that my 563 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 10: father was going through at the time. He had to 564 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 10: go back on the road when he just wanted to 565 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 10: stay home with me and Mom because his manager at 566 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 10: the time ripped him off and stole hundreds of thousands 567 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 10: of dollars, and so he had to get back on 568 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 10: the road and make that up. And that was a 569 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 10: part of you know, that was a part of maybe 570 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 10: it was more it might have been millions actually no recounting, 571 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 10: so that that was a big strain. And I sometimes wonder, 572 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 10: you know, there's a there's a there's a pros and 573 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 10: cons to everything, because I sometimes wonder, well, if the 574 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 10: manager hadn't come into the picture and he didn't have 575 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 10: to get back on the road, maybe they would have 576 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 10: stayed together. But then I wouldn't have my wonderful well, 577 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 10: you know, I mean, you know, life is funny. 578 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: How did mom manage the family? Like the unit? So 579 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 3: you've got three dads. 580 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 12: I know, Alexi youre a little bit older, but with 581 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 12: you and sailor especially Jack, Like, how did she manage 582 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 12: the unit? And did it really feel like you guys 583 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 12: were one unit or was there a lot of spreading 584 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 12: out based on where the dads were or. 585 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 11: I mean, my my experience is is that we always 586 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 11: felt like one unit. I think that probably when yeah, 587 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 11: my mom got her last divorce, I think it brought 588 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 11: us all closer together. Naturally, you really did. And that 589 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 11: was the moment where we like really unified, and we. 590 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 10: Unified around my mother too, because she was going through it, 591 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 10: and so it gave us a real sense of solidarity. 592 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 10: And you know, I mean there's nothing like when you 593 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 10: can relate to going through a divorce. We both experienced that, 594 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 10: and then it did it kind of bonded us closer together, 595 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 10: and now we all couldn't be closer. I mean, you know, 596 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 10: Jack doesn't go a day without speaking to my mom. 597 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 10: I don't go a day without speaking. And she's the 598 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 10: best mom in the sense that she worries, she wants 599 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 10: to make sure everybody's okay. If she doesn't hear, you know, 600 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 10: from us for too long, She's like, I just want 601 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 10: to make sure you're okay. 602 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 6: You know. 603 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 10: So we're tight knit, just like you guys, Like you 604 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 10: can see it in your little I follow Kate on 605 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 10: Instagram and I'm such a fan by the way. I 606 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 10: just love her and it does. It's you can feel 607 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 10: that genuine closeness. 608 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: It's so great. 609 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 12: I can I can see that with Christy on you know, 610 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 12: with you guys, she's oh yeah, she's. 611 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 11: A little bit of a warrior, and in a good way. 612 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 11: I drove out from the city to the Hamptons last night. 613 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 11: It's a two hour drive, and probably every ten to 614 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 11: twelve minutes, my phone would ring and it was my mom, 615 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 11: you know, checking in making sure that capefully you hadn't crashed. Yeah, 616 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 11: she called me ten minutes ago. I'm ten minutes further 617 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 11: up the road. 618 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: We're good, exactly. 619 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: That is funny. 620 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: Oh, it sounds like me. 621 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 4: It sounds like Kate. 622 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: And I was about to say that she just wants to. 623 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 10: Make sure everybody's okay. She's such a mama bear. She's 624 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 10: also super conscious of the environment, health. She's always trying 625 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 10: to make us aware of Okay, this is good for you, 626 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 10: this is not good for you. She's just She's that 627 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 10: real nurturing mama bear type. 628 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 12: All right, everybody, all of our sibling revelry listeners. 629 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: I am solo today. 630 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 12: I am sons Olivier Zon, which I'm kind of happy about, 631 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 12: even though I always love having him around, so nomes. 632 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 12: It's nice I have a little break and I get 633 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 12: to interview like an absolute icon, because she gave birth 634 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 12: to the biggest. 635 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: Icon out there. Right now. 636 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 12: I get to interview Tina Knowles, and I'm very excited 637 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 12: because I just want to know everything about her and 638 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 12: how she raised those two insanely powerful and beautiful daughters, 639 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 12: Beyonce and Solange. 640 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't seen you in a long time. I 641 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: know it has been a long I was thinking. 642 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 13: I was thinking about the first time I'm met you 643 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 13: and you might not even remember, but we were at 644 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 13: Jay's I think it was like his thirty fifth birthday. 645 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 12: It was his fortieth. It was his fortieth. I think 646 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 12: it was his fortieth. Okay, so that was a fun party. 647 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 12: It was a really fun part that was you know, 648 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 12: Carter Club or something. 649 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had so much fun. 650 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 13: I knew we're talking about her mom. You were saying 651 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 13: that kind of reminded you of your mom because she 652 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 13: was fun, And. 653 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I also remember I was contemplating the relationship 654 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 12: I was in at the time, and I was sitting 655 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 12: off on this on like a sort of away from 656 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 12: the house, a little bit on the beach, and I 657 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 12: remember I looked out to my right and I saw 658 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 12: this like beautiful goddess just walking down the beach, and 659 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 12: she walked up and it was your daughter, and Beyonce 660 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 12: just sat. We sat and we had one of the 661 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 12: great conversations. But she told me, yeah, it was just 662 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 12: one of those things I'll never I'll never forget because 663 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 12: she was so she was very helpful at that time 664 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 12: for me. 665 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: And but I'm excited. 666 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 12: To talk to you because you've had such an interesting, 667 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 12: amazing life and gave birth to such powerful women. What 668 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 12: do you think has been the most sort of powerful 669 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 12: foundation of your of your life. 670 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 13: Notally just my upbringing, you know, with my mom I 671 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 13: had I had a super close relationship with my mother. 672 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 13: My mother was forty four when she had me, which 673 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 13: back then was you know, I was born in nineteen 674 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 13: fifty four, so she was, you know, older mom, and 675 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 13: I was pretty much a life because you know, other 676 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 13: kids were older, and we had this really really close relationship. 677 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 13: And then when I became a teenager, it was very strained. 678 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: My relationship with my mom. 679 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 13: Up until probably around eighteen, we went through kind of 680 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 13: a rough package and really, yeah, but if I had 681 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 13: to say what was my foundation, it absolutely was my 682 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 13: family and just growing up really poor in the South 683 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 13: with a lot of racism, and and it just taught 684 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 13: me to be a fighter really early on. 685 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 12: It becomes very clear within like five minutes of talking 686 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 12: to you where you girls get their strength. You are 687 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 12: an incredibly strong woman. I'm let's talk about your fashion 688 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 12: and your love for it and like what you think 689 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 12: defines personal style. 690 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 3: I kind of have this. 691 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 12: I feel very discouraged by the fashion world because I 692 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 12: find that trends are becoming what's fashionable versus people actually 693 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 12: creating own style, their own style. It's a bit it 694 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 12: used to be so different, like in the late nineties 695 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 12: and when Beyonce and I were both coming up at 696 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 12: the same. 697 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: That time, Yes, we didn't have. 698 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 12: Like stylists and like we were creating our own vibe 699 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 12: and that doesn't really exist as much anymore. 700 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 3: I wonder how you feel about this. 701 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 13: Well, you know my nephew, the one that Beyonce sings 702 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 13: about john Uncle Johnny made my dress. I don't know 703 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 13: if you heard that that chief spandex it looks amss 704 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 13: it's it's a whole thing with that. But he was 705 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 13: my nephew, and he was gay, and he was my 706 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 13: very best friend growing up, and so he was he 707 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 13: could sew and design and create the most amazing clothes. 708 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 13: So when the girls started and the record company wouldn't 709 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 13: give me money to buy them designer clothes, they might 710 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 13: give me fifteen hundred dollars before girls, I would take 711 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 13: it and buy expensive fabric and copy something or or 712 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 13: or just design it from scratch and make these customs. 713 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 12: What was your I have tunes down now to questions, 714 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 12: because the first part of that is, I'd love to 715 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 12: know who your when you were younger, who your style 716 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 12: icon was, Like, who did you look up to that 717 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 12: you were like, oh my god, Like I. 718 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 13: Just loved Diana Ross in the Springs. Yeah, you know, 719 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 13: I was there. She's like ten years older than me. 720 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 13: So my sister was a huge fan. She had all 721 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 13: their music. But I mean for me to watch them 722 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 13: on TV. The costumes that they wore were unbelievable. 723 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 3: Oh the best. 724 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 13: I wanted to be here because I was you know, 725 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 13: I was in a singing group and I was skinny 726 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 13: like her, and I would just move do all her moves. 727 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 3: I was obsessed with Diana Rock. 728 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: Oh. 729 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 13: She was my style icon, which is really interesting because 730 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 13: because you know, it was mostly like costume stuff. So 731 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 13: when I was doing this Destiny's Child, that's the criticism 732 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 13: that I got all the time. They dogged me out 733 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 13: as a designer because they would always say the stuff 734 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 13: is too over the top, and it's too dramatic, and 735 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 13: it's too shiny, and it's too too, too, too too. 736 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 13: But they were stayed, you know, they were on stage. 737 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 3: It was awesome. 738 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 5: You know. 739 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 12: I have to say, it's so funny when I think about, like, 740 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 12: you know, who like critics? You want you always want 741 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 12: people to like what you do, but then you sometimes 742 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 12: you think you're like, wait, who are these faceless people? 743 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 12: Like what did they do that made them the person 744 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 12: that can actually tell you know, it's like you can't 745 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 12: listen to any of it. 746 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 13: And they probably would say we were real fashioned people, 747 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 13: and she was not, you know, because I'm not formally trained. 748 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 13: So I was real insecure about that for a long 749 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 13: time and they used to dog me out. But you know, 750 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 13: it's funny because when I look back on some of 751 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 13: that stuff, I'm like, I was doing pretty good. 752 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 12: Yes, I wonder what your crowning moment was for it 753 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 12: with Destiny's Child, Like always except one of their looks 754 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 12: that you were the most proud of. 755 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 13: Tool things stand out. One thing is when things started 756 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 13: changing for me as far as really being more secure 757 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 13: in myself as a designer was the Fold Fashion Awards. 758 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 3: They used to have this fashion Award. I don't know 759 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 3: if you remember that. 760 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 13: We went to this Fold Fashion War, and of course 761 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 13: I made these outfits for them, and when we got there, 762 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 13: they had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how 763 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 13: they had affected the fashion world, and I was like, 764 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 13: oh my god, you know, and I remember them getting 765 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 13: an award for their costumes and they remade their costumes 766 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 13: and they had whole like a little fashion moment. 767 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 3: I was like so shocked. 768 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 13: And they brought me on stage and Kelly says at 769 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 13: that speech, She's like and I'm getting choked up about it, 770 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 13: because you know, at that time I was really in 771 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 13: dog down and she brought me on They brought me 772 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 13: on stage and she said, all of these costumes that 773 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 13: y'all are clapping for, this lady did and you know 774 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 13: it's kind of changed things because people started respecting me 775 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 13: a little more and. 776 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 3: You worked on this closed still. 777 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 13: Well, what I do now is, like the tour that 778 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 13: they just went on, I hired the stylist. I keep 779 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 13: the budgets, which is really hard because she has probably 780 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 13: Beyonce alone has maybe three. 781 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 3: Hundred costumes for the tour. 782 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 13: No, she changes every night like three or four things, 783 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 13: and a lot of them don't make it. 784 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 3: And so the stylist. The last tour, I hired four. 785 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 13: People, a team of four people, four style and that's 786 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 13: not even including the dancer, stylist and accessory stylists and 787 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 13: some big, big, big operation because it's five hundred people 788 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 13: on that tour and that's how big. 789 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 3: The tour is. 790 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 13: Wow, And she changes so much and then you have 791 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 13: like twenty seven dancers and then you have a badness 792 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 13: like twelve people and she wants them to change, and 793 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 13: so that's a big operation. So I kind of just 794 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 13: head up that whole th of how keeping the budgets 795 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 13: trouble every single day. 796 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's a lot. It's a lot 797 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 3: of work. 798 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 13: People don't understand. For her to change three and four 799 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 13: times a night with costumes for that many people is 800 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 13: such a big undertaking. And I think it's like forty 801 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 13: regular people in wardrobe that travel to every city. Then 802 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 13: we hire about twenty more people. So it's a lot 803 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 13: to keep together. 804 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 12: How do you manage being mom? The dynamic of mom 805 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 12: and daughter when you're together a lot of the time. 806 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 13: Well, it's, you know, it's her show, it's her stuff. 807 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 13: She runs the show, and I'm just like everybody else 808 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 13: in terms of being you know, there to support her. 809 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 13: But sometimes, you know, we go at it because we're 810 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 13: we are mother and daughter. Yeah, and we have differences 811 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 13: in opinions or whatever. But you know, I have sense 812 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,919 Speaker 13: enough to know that that's her stuff. Like she grew 813 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 13: up hearing all the time, this is my ship, and 814 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 13: so that's her favorite thing is this is my ship 815 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 13: at the end of the day. 816 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: So. 817 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 13: You know, concede to that also. But we get along 818 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 13: really really really well. Yeah, well, mother and daughter, we 819 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 13: get along pretty good. Because I know them brought back, 820 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 13: you know, and and not be a moment and just yeah, 821 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 13: I think that's the interesting thing. 822 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 12: Like my mom has been pretty good with that as well, 823 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 12: Like she doesn't step in certain places. I think sometimes 824 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 12: what my mom does do, which is which I love, 825 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 12: is she'll check in with me if she can feel 826 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 12: that I'm overwhelmed or are you yeah, And she'll check 827 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 12: in and be like, are you I'm feeling that you 828 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 12: might be over are you okay? 829 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 3: Honey? 830 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 831 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about anything? 832 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 2: Right? 833 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: And that needs the difference. 834 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 13: Lord, just to have somebody that you can just be 835 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 13: completing one hundred percent volmed with and not have to 836 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 13: be protected. 837 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 12: You know. I would think that for both of your girls, 838 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 12: for you to sort of even just like be behind 839 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 12: the scenes doing the thing, but that you're there, it's 840 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 12: probably incredibly. 841 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 13: And I stay with the family the whole time so 842 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 13: that the kids have their grandmother and I can give 843 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 13: her a break, and I just try to support it 844 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 13: in any way I can. You know, Solange is very 845 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 13: different because Solange won't have me on tour. 846 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,479 Speaker 3: She never had at that point. 847 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 13: I used to dress her, but she would take the 848 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 13: clothes and say, Mom, I don't need you crowd me. 849 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 2: You know, I need my space. 850 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 3: So they're very different in that way. 851 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 12: No matter what, I know, we grow up and there's 852 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 12: things of like yo, you do it for yourself too, 853 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 12: not always, but like, there's nothing like making your parents proud. 854 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 12: It's nothing like doesn't matter how old you are, what 855 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 12: kind of success, it's just the best feeling in the world.