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We have an amazing show for everybody today. 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: When do we have Crystal? Indeed, we do lots to 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: get to today. First of all, some very revelatory documents 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: released revealing some new links that we did not specifically 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: know about between Saudi and the nine to eleven hijackers. 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: Former President George W. Bush gave a big speech that 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: was predictably horrific. We've got new information about that final 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: drone strike in Afghanistan. There were already indications that a 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: bunch of civilians were murdered in that drone strike. Of course, 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: the military was lying saying, oh we got this great 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: isis target total life, but they would never tell us 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: who it was. So this was always suspicious from the start. 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: New York Times went and they dug deep, and they 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: revealed exactly what happened on that day. We'll give you 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: all of the details. There also some new commentary from 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Joe Manchin about what he will and won't support in 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: terms of that reconciliation bill. Matt Stoler is going to 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: be on with the way that companies and CEOs profited 36 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: off of nine to eleven at a time in the 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: country was suffering. They put their greed first. Not that 38 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: that will be any big surprise to you, but we 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: wanted to start this morning with Biden's big announcement last 40 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: week on Thursday, taking a much more aggressive approach to 41 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: getting people vaccinated. Let's take a listen to a little 42 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: bit of what he had to say. So tonight, I'm 43 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: announcing that the Department of Labor is developing an emergency 44 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: rule to require all employers with one hundred or more 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: employees that together employee over eighty million workers to ensure 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: their workforces are fully vaccinated. Zoey frames this says, this 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: isn't about freedom or personal choice, this is about keeping 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: people safe. Just let me walk you through the details 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: of what exactly he announced in this speech and the 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: executive orders that he's pushing here moving forward. He's going 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: to these measures will affect tens of millions of Americans. 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: Include mandatory coronavirus vaccination for all federal employees and contractors, 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: vaccine mandates for workers at businesses with one hundred or 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: more employees. And basically what's going to happen there, and 55 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: that's the biggest piece of news, is that if you 56 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: are a business with one hundred more employees, either your 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: employees have to get vaccinated or they have to submit 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: to testing on a weekly basis. In addition, requiring mandatory 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: paid time off for those businesses, so that workers can 60 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: go and get the shots and recover for them. That's 61 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: definitely a good thing. Also, leveraging the federal government's power 62 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: with Medicare and Medicaid funding to require immunization for workforces 63 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: at health facilities that take Medicare and Medicaid funding. So 64 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: those are sort of the details. As I said, the 65 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: big piece here that people are really focused on is 66 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: that mandate for businesses with one hundred or more employees 67 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: that says either your employees have to get vaccinated or 68 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: they have to submit to a weekly coronavirus test. A 69 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: little bit about the legal justification here. We've got a 70 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: New York Times tear sheet for you. So, because this 71 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: isn't the federal government directly requiring vaccinations, the legal justification 72 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: is based on the act that established the Occupational Safety 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: and Health Act of nineteen seventy. Essentially, there's a provision 74 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: there that says that if there's something that poses a 75 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: grave risk to employees, then you can require workforce workplaces 76 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: to do something about it. The way this will happen 77 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: is it won't go into effect immediately. The federal government 78 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: is basically sent over to OSHA this language requiring them 79 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: to write up the rules. They're going to have to 80 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: demonstrate that workers face a grave danger, that the rule 81 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: is necessary to fuse that danger, and that it is 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: feasible for employers to carry out. Of course, Republican governors 83 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: already losing their minds over the threatening to sue. And 84 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think based on a lot of the 85 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: legal experts, we have a tear sheet showing just the 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Republican governments threatening to sue. You see Ron DeSantis there. 87 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: I know Texas Governor Greg Abbott also, I think six 88 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: states now six states. Christy Noam, I think got in 89 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: on the act, et cetera, et cetera. No big surprise there. 90 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: A lot of the legal analysis seems to indicate that 91 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: he's on relatively firm footing here, but you just never know. 92 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: It all depends on what the courts ultimately decides. Ho. No, 93 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: you're right, and this is a very I mean, this 94 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: is a deep fine that they would be imposing. So 95 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: this per the New York Times, thirteen thousand, six hundred 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: and fifty dollars fine for a violation one hundred and 97 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: thirty six thousand, five hundred for those that are willful 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: or repeated, and it's it's a very dicey territory. Now, 99 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: I actually had thought that the law might be illegal, 100 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: But after we talked yesterday, I went back and I looked, 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: and you're right, which is that under OSHA, they have 102 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: an emergency temporary standard that they can adhere to, and 103 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: as long as the process goes through an administrative review 104 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: as per the Administration Procedures Act, as long as they 105 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: don't screw up like the Trump administration often used to do. 106 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: Don't get me started on that point, maybe slightly more 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: competent correct, then what they have to do is the 108 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: law will go into affect essentially, but then it will 109 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: of course get kicked to the courts. Now, look in 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: terms of whether it passes judicial muster or not, it's complicated. 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: Justice Roberts John Roberts actually struck down the past administration 112 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: for not adhering specifically to that act and going through 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: the exact legal motions. So as long as the Biden 114 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: administration that was on the Census and as well on DHAKA, 115 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: so on those particular cases, the standard has basically been set. Right. 116 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: So what it would mean here is that if the 117 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: Biden administration does dot all of its ey's and cross 118 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: its t's that this very might well could be legal. 119 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, given the court and the makeup 120 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: of that, it is very difficult to tell. And so 121 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, if you're one of those Republicans who's outraged 122 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: about this, I would not necessarily bank on the illegality 123 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: or whatever. I had no idea, and I admit this 124 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: is what makes me deeply uncomfortable. I did not know 125 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: the government could basically do this, and the way that 126 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: I've seen some of the defenses like, well, it's not 127 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: technically at vaccine mandate. It's like, yeah, well, what business 128 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: on earth wants to give you paid time off to 129 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: be able to go and get tested all the time. 130 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: Because the paid time off it doesn't just apply to 131 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: people for recovering from the shot. If you're one of 132 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: those employees or one of those businesses who had an 133 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: employee where you didn't have one who wanted to get vaccinated, 134 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: it basically becomes a cost on you because you have 135 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: to keep giving them PTO to go get tested every 136 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: couple of days. So it's a kind of a de 137 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: facto mandate, and some of those rules it will depend 138 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: on how it's written by Osha, But I will tell you, 139 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: and we'll get into more of you know, what I 140 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: think about what you think about it, in the politics 141 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: of it. But that is part of what makes me 142 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable with this, because it's not actually 143 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: a direct vaccine mandate. I think what I've always said 144 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: is there's a balance here between two competing principles. One 145 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: is your individual rights, your civil liberties, something that's really important. 146 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I am deeply uncomfortable with the idea of starting to 147 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: fire people on mass who are unwilling to get vaccinated. 148 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: On the other hand, we live in a society together, 149 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: and we have a responsibility to one another, and choosing 150 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: not to get vaccinated is not a costless decision for 151 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: the people around you. So for me, the way that 152 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: this has been presented, and again we'll see how it's 153 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: written up ultimately by Ocean, how it's implementing, what it 154 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: looks like in the business community once they actually implement it. 155 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: The way this was written up balances those two principles 156 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: really well. Because you're saying to people, look, you don't 157 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: want to get vaccinated, that's fine, submit to a test 158 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: every week. That seems to me to be the best 159 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: possible way of striking that balance between Listen, I think 160 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: everybody should get vaccine, but if you decide, for whatever 161 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: reason you don't want to, you're not going to get fired. 162 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: You have another alternative to pursue. To me, that's why 163 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: this thing ultimately makes sense. I will say on the 164 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: legal piece that we'll just throw this one more layer 165 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: on top of here. Biden seems totally almost like bring 166 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: it on in terms of the legal fight, and I 167 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: think also the political fight on this. Here was his 168 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: response to a question about those Republican governors planning to sue, 169 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: calling your vaccine requirement over it have at it. Look, 170 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: I am so disappointed that particularly some Republican governors have 171 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: been so cavalier with the health of these kids, so 172 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: cavalier the health of their communities. I think part of 173 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: the problem there, Crystal, which is that kind of forceful attitude. 174 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: And look, Trumpet in many of the same things. T 175 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: Biden is very much leaning into that style of politics. 176 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: This is part of what I worry about the most, 177 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: which is, as you said, look, if it really does 178 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: get implemented that way, then I think it'd be okay. 179 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: But what I worry about the most is what United 180 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: Airlines is doing. Is They're like, look, you're fired unless 181 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: you get vaccinated by September thirteen. Even then, look I 182 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: get it, flight attendance a little bit different, but then 183 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: at the same time, like transmission in the air not 184 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: necessarily the same thing. I think that really what it 185 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: comes down to, It's all about affect. And in that 186 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: speech that he declared at the very top, the pandemic 187 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: of these people are you know, it was very much 188 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: like an articulation of a declaration of war, at least 189 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: the way that I saw it and a lot of 190 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: people did. And when if you're going to use that 191 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: affect and then the full force of the law, I 192 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: just worry. Look, I think we're shredding social trust even 193 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: more so ultimately. And look, I'm not saying that coronavirus 194 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: isn't terrible and hasn't killed a lot of people and 195 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: so much more. But we have a vaccine. It will 196 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: protect you from hospitalization and death by and large, And 197 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: if you don't want to get it, then that's your choice. 198 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: And you could make the decision to say, okay, so 199 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: be it, We're going to move on from here and 200 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: that or at the very least lean more into the 201 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: incentive programs, and look, some incentives are not always going 202 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: to work. But this whole war footing by the President, 203 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: by the administration then using the full force of the law, 204 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: that is what I worry about the most. And it's 205 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: not even about civil liberties necessarily, it's like the affect 206 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: of it. I mean, I saw organic outreach on the 207 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: organic outrage on this at a scale that I've never 208 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: seen in a really long time. To your point though 209 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: that we were talking previously, it did kind of fizzle 210 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: out over nine to eleven. A lot of people, they 211 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: make a lot of noise about something, will this really 212 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: be something? One tell to me was that Governor Asa Hutchinson, 213 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: who is Arkansas much more of like a bit more 214 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: of a libertarian type, but in the Republican coalition seen 215 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: very much as a squish, like somebody is going to 216 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: go along whatever, even he is against this. So I 217 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: see this totally united in terms of the political party, 218 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: and it's about to become now he's some sort of 219 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: like culture war issue where I'm like, look, if your 220 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: ultimate goal is getting vaccinated, I just don't think that 221 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: this is going to be the right thing to do. 222 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: We've covered that Kaiser Family Foundation poll about forty percent 223 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: of workers, so that they would quit it. There's a 224 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: vaccine mandate, right, Yeah, but again they don't have to 225 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: get the vaccine are They can get tested and so 226 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: And here's the thing is, Look, I just don't think 227 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: that it's arguable that it won't work. Right. We can 228 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: argue about whether the trade offs are worth it. That's 229 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: a reasonable argument. But we've already seen federal government agencies 230 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: have had a similar either get vaccinated or get tested 231 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: regime in place. They're seeing a lot of people get vaccinated. 232 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: It has increased the number of vaccinations. You can also 233 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: look overseas in France, they put in much more stringent vaccine, 234 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: actual vaccine mandates, not just for workplaces, but also just 235 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: to be able to go out to dinner and things 236 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: like that. It's worked. A lot more people have gotten vaccinated. True, 237 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: this is part of why the US is now lagging 238 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,479 Speaker 1: behind almost every other developed country in terms of vaccination 239 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: rates at this point, and it's lagging behind almost every 240 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,239 Speaker 1: other developed country in terms of these types of vaccine requirements. 241 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: So I don't really think it's arguable that it doesn't work. 242 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: I think we can talk about the trade offs, and 243 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: that's a reasonable debate here. Listen to me. The politics 244 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: of this also are pretty clear, and I think this 245 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: is why he's so sort of confident. I would dispute 246 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: that his speech. I saw a lot of hand ringing 247 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: about the language in his speech. I would dispute that 248 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: this was any sort of like the war on the 249 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: unvaccinated type of approach. The things that I find completely 250 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: abhorrent are these people, uh Leanna, when who's saying like 251 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: you should be barred from the from going on in 252 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: public at all? Right? The people is the one to travel, right, 253 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: don'nut exactly? The doctor we keep talking about it went 254 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: on MSNBC and was like, did I them care if 255 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: they're unvaccinated? Like, to me, that is psychopathic. It's completely 256 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: out of bounds. And the whole attitude of contempt judgment 257 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: towards the unvaccinated I have absolutely no use for. I 258 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: didn't think that he got to that in that speech. 259 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: I think that he stated the facts. Look, this group 260 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: of people, unvaccinated people are creating risks for all of us. 261 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: That's just actually accurate mostly themselves, it's just true, but 262 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: for all of us. And look, I mean there is 263 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: a cost when, especially knowing now how common breakthrough infections are, 264 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: there's a huge cost for people in terms of getting 265 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: sick kind of quarantine for two week's loss of being 266 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: able to work. And especially listen, if you're a white 267 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: collar worker, if it's one thing, if you're a blue 268 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: collar work, if you're a service worker, that can completely 269 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: upend your life in and of itself. So there are 270 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: tremendous costs that are being imposed on vaccinated people by 271 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: the unvaccinated. And that's not to shame them or say 272 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: you're terrible people and you should be shunned and denied 273 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: metal care and all of that. That's just the facts 274 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: of the matter. And there are in fact instances now 275 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: where the ICU beds are so full in states like 276 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Alabama that people are actually being denied critical care. There's 277 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: a story just down about a man in Alabama who 278 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: was having in distress cardiac arrest and there was no 279 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: ICU bed available for him within like two hundred miles 280 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: and he died. So these are real costs that are 281 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: in fact being imposed. I don't think that it goes 282 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: too far just to state that simple fact. On the 283 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: politics of it, we haven't gotten any polling yet on 284 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: the specifics of Biden's moves here, but we had some 285 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: late August polling asking people, how do you feel about 286 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: requiring vaccines, which is even again further than what Biden's doing, 287 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: but requiring vaccines for people who were working in person. 288 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: We can throw that this is CBS News up on 289 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: the screen, so a majority supports that. Those are the 290 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: numbers at the top. It might be a little bit 291 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: hard to see, but a bare majority supports that, and 292 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: only twenty six percent are a post The remaining twenty 293 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: three percent are undecided. So listen, at this point in 294 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: this country, you've got about seventy percent of eligible adults 295 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: who have gotten at least one shot. The unvaccinated are 296 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: in a decided minority. Then you take from that group 297 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: that people who are really hardcore against this direction. I 298 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: think Biden and the Democrats feel like they are on 299 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: very solid political footing at this point, and I think 300 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: they're calculating that whatever backlash they receive here, ultimately the 301 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: thing that people really care about is how the pandemic 302 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: going period. Like, you know, even if there was a backlash, 303 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: but the pandemic got under control and you were seeing 304 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: better results than people are feeling more optimistic. I think 305 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: they believe that politically that's a better state of affairs. 306 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: I think you're right, and I think the bigger issue, 307 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: and you know, look, we have a very diverse audience here. Yeah, 308 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: And what I had heard, you know, specifically, and I 309 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: think this is a very legitimate question, is around natural immunity. 310 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: Now we've seen a lot of different studies have come 311 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: out natural immunity may even give you more of a 312 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: protection against coronavirus than a vaccine. That is not me 313 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: saying go out and get coronavirus. You know, if you 314 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: haven't had it, get into vaccine is still pretty good idea. Yes, 315 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: you may still get it, but again, overall in the aggregate, 316 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: number one on symptoms, number two on in the aggregate, 317 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: it will reduce your chance of infection and of spreading 318 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: that infection critically. So all of that together. That being said, 319 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: they clearly didn't think about it at all. And this 320 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: is probably one of those things where you see them 321 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: not you see them with their one size fits all solution, 322 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: A size fits all solution I generally agree with, but 323 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: are not really willing to engage as much with some 324 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: of the counters, which I do think are important to me. 325 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: It's all about trust. You got to gain people's trust. 326 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: This is one of the most common questions. And doctor 327 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: Fauci did not have an answer to this when he 328 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: was out there defending the vaccine, you know, not mandate, whatever, 329 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: whatever the Biden administration policy is. Sanjay Gupta actually pressed 330 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: him on it on CNN. Let's take a listen to that. 331 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: There was a study that came out of Israel about 332 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: natural immunity, and basically the headline was that natural immunity 333 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: provides a lot of protection, even better than the vaccines alone. 334 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: What are people to make of that? So as we 335 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: talk about vaccine mandates, there are I get calls all 336 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: the time people say I've already had COVID, I'm protected, 337 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: and now the study says maybe even more protected than 338 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: the vaccine alone. Should they also get the vaccine? How 339 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: do you make the case to them? You know, that's 340 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: a really good point, son, Jay, I don't have a 341 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: really firm answer feel on that. I think they do 342 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: need to have an answer on that. That's actually a 343 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: critical one in particular. And you know, if somebody who's 344 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: had COVID not vaccinated and then maybe it should be 345 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: different than somebody who's completely unvaccinated. Yeah. Again, and you've 346 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: got to have answers to these questions. You're gonna have 347 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: such a wide swath. Now. Look, I think you're right, 348 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: which is, as long as people aren't getting fired, I'm 349 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: not as uncomfortable with it. The moment I start to 350 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: see mass firings, I'm really, you know, really worried, because 351 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: I think we already saw there was a there's a 352 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: hospital which had to pause deliveries of babies because they 353 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: have many nurses who are not vaccinated and refuse to 354 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: do it. You know what, and that one of these 355 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: setting get the freaking vaccine. I don't know, honestly. I 356 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: mean especially nursing homes. That one's nursing homes hospital. You're 357 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: dealing with newborn babies here, I mean, come on, right again, 358 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: I agree with you. If we had a hard vaccine 359 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: mandate at every workplace across this country and you're seeing 360 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: mass firings, we know who that would disproportionally impact. It's 361 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: a working class, right, working class at this point, mostly 362 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: working class white people, but we're talking about lower income 363 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: people who are disproportionally impacted and that's something to really 364 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: strongly consider and be very concerned about. If you work 365 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: in a hospital, if you work in a nursing home, 366 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: if you work in a school, Yes, I think you 367 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: should be required to get a vaccine at this point. 368 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see how all 369 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: of this plays out on the natural immunity thing. If 370 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: you've had COVID and the studies do show that it 371 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: provides you with a high level of immunity equivalent or 372 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: even superior to a vaccine, it's probably just what would 373 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: be hard to implement. It would be right because you 374 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: get like, you know, you get your little vaccine passport 375 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: showing your your dates. But I guess you'd have to 376 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: start distributing like I've had COVID. We could do supports, right, 377 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: like you can do antibodies. But again, I don't even 378 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: really want this sort of immunity passport type thing. But 379 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: if we're going to go in that direction, I do 380 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: actually think that's they should have some sort of answer though, 381 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: rather than just like they have to have an answer. 382 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: You can't just say like, oh, well whatever, I mean, 383 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: that's millions and millions of people. We actually have no idea. 384 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd never reported my case to the government. 385 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who are just like me. Yeah, 386 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: don't come after me, by the way, Yeah. At the 387 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: same time, so to track that one. At the same time, 388 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: really revelatory documents being released here by the Biden administration 389 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: with regards to nine to eleven in Saudi. I've become 390 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: quite obsessed over the last couple of weeks, just kind 391 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: of revisiting nine to eleven over the last twenty years. 392 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: And one of the parts that will always get me 393 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: is the Saudi connection and a lot of the a 394 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: lot of the questions around the Saudi Arabian involvement. I'll 395 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: say at the top, like, look, there is still, to 396 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: the state no evidence that the highest levels and I 397 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: say the highest levels of the Saudi government were involved 398 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: in this plot. If anything, they hated Bin Laden just 399 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: as much as we did. But here's the question, what 400 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: about the lower level ones? And those documents were held 401 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: very tightly by the Bush administration. The Obama administration vetoed 402 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: that bill that was pushed through the US Senate which 403 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: would allow nine to eleven families in order to sue 404 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: the Saudi Arabian government. Then the Trump administration refused to 405 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: declassify a further number of documents. Biden, in occurrence with 406 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: the twentieth anniversary, ordered them declassified. We covered this about 407 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Well, we got our very first one. 408 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. And this 409 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: is very important because what it does is that the 410 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: first declassified nine to eleven document by the FBI also 411 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: includes a memo. Now within the memo, the FBI actually 412 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: point to it and say definitively that it now shows 413 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: no Saudi conspiracy. So let's put that zero Hedge actually 414 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: is the one who spotted this. Let's put that up 415 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: there on the screen, that tweet. And what he points 416 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: to you there is that the FBI's kind of introductory memo, 417 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: which was written in twenty sixteen, says it puts to 418 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: bed any doubts about Saudi complicity. However, that is not 419 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: even remotely true, because what you can actually see within 420 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: the document is that it details even further the Saudi 421 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: official Omar al Bayumi, who was in California and actually 422 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: helped two of the nine to eleven hijackers both secure 423 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: a secure like a boarding house, a place to stay. 424 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: He claims that he just ran into them while he 425 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: was at yeah, okay. Also, mister Bayumi get this was 426 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: a grad student who never went to school, had no 427 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: discernible sense a source of funds, and just happened to 428 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: be in California next to the nine to eleven hijacks. 429 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: That seems legit. Questions they've also at tracked the way 430 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: he was, in fact receiving all of these payments from 431 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: all these like Saudi run firms and not showing up 432 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: to actually do any work, but still getting paid. And 433 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: these two hijackers they didn't speak any English, no exactly 434 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: it was Midhar and Hasmei. They spoke zero English, and 435 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: he was their shepherd. Right, were the first two to 436 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: arrive here in the United States, Right, And what people 437 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: who encountered them at the time said is that there 438 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: was no way they could have navigated around America without help. 439 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: Bayoumi just happens to meet them immediately upon their arrival, 440 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: happens to provide financial support to them as well, and 441 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: basically upered them around. And then why this is important 442 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: is because he had direct connections to at least Saudi 443 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: consular officials and was being paid consulate back door by 444 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: the Saudi government so effectively, it looks very much like 445 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: mister Bayoumi was Saudi intelligence operational on the ground here 446 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: doing something, doing something, and just happened to become really 447 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: besties with these two nine to eleven hijacks. The new 448 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: memo also cites an FBI source who said Biomi held 449 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: quote very high status at the Saudi consulate in La 450 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: So at the time they tried to portray him as oh, 451 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: he was barely anybody didn't even know her. Here's what 452 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: they said. He had quote even higher than many of 453 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: the Saudi persons in charge of the diplomatic mission, strongly 454 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: suggesting that he was an intelligence agent running a covert 455 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: op on US soil. So that is what is inside 456 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: the new nine to eleven document, and I knew when 457 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: it was going to come out that it was almost 458 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: certainly going to concern all Bayoumi. Really, what it is 459 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: is that there are so many questions on nine to 460 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: eleven which remain completely unanswered. Lawrence Wright, who wrote The 461 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: Looming Tower, which is my favorite book, on nine to eleven, 462 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: he gave an interview that I was watching this weekend 463 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: in which you know the exact reason why the CIA 464 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: never put Nawaz al Hazmi and call it al Midhar 465 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: on a FBI watch list. Still today is unclear, and 466 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: by that I mean they covered it up. They still 467 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: twenty years later, we do not have an official justification 468 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: as to why a CIA cable which recognized that these 469 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: two gentlemen had visas to the United States in two 470 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: thousand were not given over to the FBI. We don't 471 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: have the names of those people. We don't know who 472 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: was responsible. Over fifty people read that CIA cable while 473 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: it was inside of their system. Nobody at the FBI 474 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: was notified. Now, look, is there a question could the 475 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: FBI have even tracked him down? Would have been hard. 476 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: Look it was two thousand, like it wasn't exactly the 477 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: same situation. But maybe, I mean, what if we tried. 478 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: There are so many of these bureaucratic messes, and to 479 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: this day, not one person inside the CIA was ever 480 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: fired because yeah, well, and I mean, it's just clear 481 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: that for decades the connections to Saudi officials have been 482 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: covered up. And that's the nine to eleven Families United 483 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: Terry Strata. They put on a statement with a very 484 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: different assessment of this document than the government's official assessment 485 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: of like, who can say whether there were Saudi connections here, 486 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and throw that statement up on the screen, 487 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: or at least a portion of it. They say, now 488 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: the Saudi secrets are exposed, and it is well past 489 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: time for the Kingdom to own up to its officials 490 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: roles in murdering thousands on American soil. Of course, Saudi 491 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: government says they welcome this declassification, and of course they 492 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: had absolutely nothing to do with it. But if there's 493 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: one thing that's clear about the way that people have 494 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: been lied to over these many years, I think this 495 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: document you the way that bipartisan administrations Bush, Obama, Trump 496 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: were to cover up some of these connections to Saudi 497 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: officials who were at least in contact routinely with some 498 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: of these hijackers. It still just shows what a joke 499 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: the nine to eleven Commission is. Yeah, and you know, 500 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm doing my entire monologue on kind of a retrospective 501 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 1: on how terrible actually that the Bush administration screwed up 502 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: the response to nine to eleven and then drove us 503 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: into the war in Iraq, And on the twentieth anniversary, 504 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: it really is so important that we still tried to 505 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this, because it's just like 506 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: what we're experiencing now with the Wuhan stuff. You know, Actually, 507 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: yesterday was the two year anniversary to date that the 508 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: database at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was just miraculously 509 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: taken off, which had described the bat and rat pathogens 510 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: that they happened to have there. Oh it's gone, you know, 511 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: because of cybersecurity threats, is what they claim. Oh and 512 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, you start to 513 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: see all kinds of crazy little infections pop up in 514 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, just a month after this entire incident. Are 515 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: we ever going to get to the bottom of it? 516 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: Or it's going to be like this our Crystal and 517 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: Sager twenty years from now going to be doing a segment. 518 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: Real President Donald Trump Junior, God help us has declassified 519 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: or no President Baron at that time, Baron Trump at 520 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: that time has declassified a document. A little bit of 521 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: hope for Baron, I think he would declassic. He's very tall, 522 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's got a lot of energy, So I mean, 523 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: you go, and it's like, are we going to be 524 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: doing segments twenty years from now on? Like TikTok or 525 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: whatever on Chinese globals, since they rule the world about 526 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: how they you know, they oh, whether wuhan ensseudo virology 527 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: and somebody's declassified this document. That's what it feels like. 528 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's so crazy to me. That's all 529 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: of these all this information, all of these documents and 530 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: more completely covered up, and that they covered it up 531 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: intentionally so that we could go to war in Iraq. Well, 532 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: and that's it, and this is actually a good segue 533 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: to the next segment. Fifteen of the nineteen hijacks were 534 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: from Saudi right, remember that. And somehow we end up 535 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: in war in a rock and Binlnes hiding on Afghanistan. 536 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: They offer to turn him over and we're like, no, 537 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: we're good now, we're good. Well, we feeling so hubristic 538 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: that we thought we can crush the talent, remake Afghanistan, 539 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: spread democracy, all of this nonsense, and of course, by 540 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: the way, secure lots of military wealth and trillions upon 541 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: trillions of dollars in fees for military contractors and military 542 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: industrial complex. It is such a crime that has been 543 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: committed to this country. What has been done to these people, 544 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: The surveillance that was justified, The breach of civil liberties 545 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: that will never be ruled back that was justified by 546 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: all of this, the complete destabilization of an entire region, 547 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: The fact that we made ourselves so much less safe, 548 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: We helped you generate new terrorist groups. We made the 549 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Taliban more powerful than they've ever been before. Isis That's 550 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: the real legacy. And every year when nine to eleven 551 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: rolls around, I think to myself, if we had done 552 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: nothing in response, we would have been infinitely better off, 553 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: and the world would have been infinitely better off than 554 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: the actions that George W. Bush caused us to take. Hey, 555 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: so remember how we told you how awesome premium membership was. Well, 556 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: here we are again to remind you that becoming a 557 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: premium member means you don't have to listen to our 558 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: constant please for you to subscribe. So what are you 559 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: waiting for? Become a premium member today by going to 560 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com, which you can click on in the 561 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: show notes. Well that's a great little segue, isn't it 562 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: To our former fearless leader George W. Bush. Everybody gave 563 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: us such a hailed speech at the nine to eleven 564 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: memorial in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where United ninety three went down. 565 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: And look, I will admit you know, anytime this man 566 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: opens his mouth, I just want to want him to 567 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: shut up. And I can't think, but help would think 568 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you were just talking about, Gristol, about the 569 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: damage that he wrought upon this country. And I'll be 570 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: going into a lot of that more in my monologue, 571 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: but here's what he had to say which caused all 572 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: of MSNBC in the blue check liberal crowd in order 573 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: to love what was going on. Let's take a listen. 574 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: As a nation, our adjustments have been profound. Many Americans 575 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: struggled to understand why an enemy would hate us with 576 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: such zeal. The security measures incorporated into our lives are 577 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: both sources of comfort and reminders of our vulnerability. And 578 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: we have seen growing evidence that the dangers to our 579 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: country can come not only across borders, but from violence 580 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: that gathers within. There's little cultural overlap between violent extremists 581 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 1: abroad and violent extremists at home. But then there's disdainful 582 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: pluralism in their disregard for human life, in their determination 583 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: to defile national symbols. They are children of the same 584 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: foul spirit, and it is our continuing duty to confront them. 585 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: When it comes to the unity of America, those days 586 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: seem distant from our own. My line four seems at 587 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: work in our common life that turns every disagreement into 588 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: an argument, in every argument into a clash of cultures. 589 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: So much of our politics has become a naked appeal 590 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: to anger, fear, and resentment that leaves us worried about 591 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: our nation and our future together. I come without explanations 592 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: or solutions. I can only tell you what I've seen. 593 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: I can't. It's hearing the man most responsible for the 594 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: conditions of where we are, hearing the person who used 595 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: our righteous anger on nine to eleven to draw us 596 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: into war in Iraq. It's like, it makes me sick 597 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: the fact that people take him seriously. And this isn't 598 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: a joke, Glenn, as usual, go ahead and put this 599 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: up there, this tweet where we have the fawning over 600 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: George W. Bush's speech. They love him. Look, I mean 601 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: the way that they discuss Bill Clinton says, thank you, 602 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: my friend, for your powerful and much needed wars on 603 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: the words on this day. Keith Olberman, whose entire career 604 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: was built on calling up the lives of this man, 605 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: says even George W. Bush now recognizes Trump and those 606 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: who directly participate in the one six Q are terrorists, 607 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: surely as the nine to eleven nine to eleven ones were. 608 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: I'll say it again, Trump damaged in America in a 609 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: way Bin Laden only dreamed of. Then Dmali jang Fast 610 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: he got us Trump, but he's also right about Trump. 611 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: And then finally Michael Bestklaus, who you know, one of 612 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: those present story ins who just happens to always agree 613 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: with the media, says almost weeping. President George Dougash rebukes 614 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: those Americans who have turned their backs on the America. 615 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: I know the America that he knows is gone, and 616 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: you know why, it's because of him. It's like the complicity. 617 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: And look, I know he seems like a nice guy, 618 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: but personal affect does not matter. What you do in 619 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: office matters more than anything. There's no doubt in my 620 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: mind he's probably the worst president that we've had since 621 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: James Buchanan, and even then, he can probably give him 622 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: a run for his money. And to see him resuscitated 623 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: and even worse, draw some connection between January sixth and 624 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: then nine to eleven, and on top of that, Crystal 625 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: justify the security measures of the Patriot Act and the 626 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: civil liberties infringements that were foisted upon us in the 627 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: post nine to eleven age. What he's doing is declaring 628 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: and pushing a new war on domestic terror. That's exactly right, 629 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: full circle, all of the sins of him and his 630 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: administration and his cronies erased. They've whitewashed the war on 631 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: terror and are now using this pretext as one to 632 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: six to wage a new war on terror, this time 633 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: directly on our own civilians. I mean, listen, in some ways, 634 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: the nice ones are way more dangerous. Yeah, way more dangerous. 635 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: Because I despise Donald Trump. I think it was a 636 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: horrible president. I think he did a lot of terrible 637 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: things to this country, into the world. There's no comparison Bush. 638 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: What he did was orders of magnitude worse. The lies, 639 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands, possibly up to a million lives lost 640 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: in that region because of him, The surveillance that has 641 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: been foisted, the massive executive power grab that will never 642 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: be rolled back by any president, the lies about the wars, 643 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: the lies about the surveillance, all of that because of him. 644 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: Not to mention the tax cuts for rich people, not 645 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: to mention the building up to the complete financial collapse 646 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: that you know, destroyed the entire middle class of America. 647 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean all of like all of it, 648 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: all of it. What he was able to do, destabilized 649 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: an entire region, fed more terrorism, created more terrorists. It's 650 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: insane that anyone could look at this man and say, 651 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: let's hear what he has to say, and then go 652 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: beyond and be like, Oh, that was amazing. He's so wise, 653 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: he's so great even he understands how bad Trump was. 654 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: The olverman one is really particularly galling because, as you said, 655 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he really built his career, his name, built 656 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: his career on understanding actually how bad that dude was 657 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: and how horrific and how evil his actions were in 658 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: terms of what he did to us and did to 659 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: the world. To stand there and give this speech and 660 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: be like, well, I don't have any answers, I don't 661 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: know what happened. You happened. I'm the answer for you 662 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: do happen, And him and all of his cronies who 663 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: now get trotted out on cable news Nicole Wallace with 664 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: their two hours on MSNBC potential air apparent to Rachel 665 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: Maddow's hour. Possibly all of these people resuscitated, their crimes erased, 666 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: and we wonder why our politics are so screwed up 667 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: and why the massive Americans hate you so much. That's 668 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: the other piece of this is all of the blame. 669 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: None of it is pointed at elites, right, It's all like, oh, 670 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: the American people, they've turned their back on what we're 671 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: supposed to be about. No, you all, you did this, 672 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: You did this to us. You know, it's funny. You know, 673 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: guess who anchored NBC News's coverage of nine to eleven. 674 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: It was Nicole Wallace and Brian Williams. So two liars. Wow, Actually, 675 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: but one of them happens to be the bigger liar, 676 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: and that's Nicole Wallace to outsell the war in Iraq 677 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: and worked for w Bush during that time. I couldn't 678 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: believe it. And she was like relaying anecdotes about her 679 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: time in the White House and what it was like 680 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: for her, and I'm just sitting there like boiling with rage. 681 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: At the same time, they have Condoliza Rice on to 682 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 1: I kid, you not talk about maternal mortality rates in Afghanistan, 683 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, as you care so much how 684 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: the mortality rate in Iraq workout and Baghdad. When you 685 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: have an answer and you will finally be held for 686 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: account for that, I will happy to be sit with you. 687 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: It's funny, though, Crystal. The reason we're spending so much 688 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: time on this during our show is I realize our 689 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: audience is very young. Some of them may not remember, 690 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: and it's one of those things where you're like, eh, 691 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: nine eleven, that was crazy, and then the war in Iraq, 692 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: like that was crazy. It wasn't just crazy, it wasn't inevitable. 693 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: These were deliberate choices that were made by these people 694 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: that ruined, and I really mean ruined both my childhood 695 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: and this country. Like they ruined any of the promise 696 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: that we had in the two thousands. They squandered our 697 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: wealth abroad, they squandered you know, the good will and 698 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: the righteous anger of people post nine e line. They 699 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: dealt a blow to millions and also penalized their working 700 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: class here at home. Like the damage they have done 701 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: is incalculable, and it's like, maybe that's I just want 702 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: to try to explain people why we are so angry 703 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: because you have to understand there were two paths, and 704 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: the path that they took us down to get us 705 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: Trump and all this other craziness in our politics. Who 706 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: do you think is responsible? It was him, and it 707 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: was the people who work for him, the people that 708 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: he empowered. And then to see the same people in 709 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: the media who helped sell us the war in Iraq 710 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: and then who didn't ever help them to question and 711 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: who still respect them. That's actually the worst part. It's 712 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: just it all just shows you how corrupt and filthy 713 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: the entire system is. It's like even I can't believe 714 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: in it. They fed our service men and women into 715 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: a meat grinder around two decks. They didn't care for me. 716 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: The toll that was exacted on those families, not just 717 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: through loss of lives, not just through loss of limbs, 718 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: but the lost time with your family, missing the births, 719 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: missing the deaths, missing the birthdays, all of those things. 720 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: And the PTSD. I mean, the number of veterans who 721 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: are committing suicide every day, it's an epidemic. These people, 722 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: very few of them, sir, very few of them send 723 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: their sons and daughters to fight and die in these 724 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: needless wars. So it is completely disgusting and the way 725 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: that the media has rehabilitated them, celebrates them. Oh, isn't 726 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: a cute George W. Bush and shall Obama our friends? 727 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: Isn't that sweet? Is not really the best of America? 728 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: Everybody come together. No, this bipartisan consensus around these wars 729 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: was evil. It was evil, and it did so much damage. 730 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: And we can never forget who was culpable. And listen, 731 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: I think you know, the idea of ever holding them 732 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: to account is far past. And that's another whole issue, 733 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: the fact that elites when they commit crime never not 734 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: only did they not face any sort of like punishment 735 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: or have to have any accountability, but they're celebrated. They're celebrated, 736 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: you make more money. That was what was so discussing. 737 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: He was the only president, current reformer who spoke on 738 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Everybody else chose to observe in silence. 739 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: And this is what we got from him. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. 740 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: That's such a perfect segue. Yeah, speaking of speaking of 741 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: elite crimes, you know, the one thing that Biden kind 742 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: of was celebrated for in the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Was 743 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 1: this drone strike that supposedly hit an isis K target 744 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: in retribution for their attack on our servicemen and women 745 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: and innocent Afghan civilians. Well, there were from the jump 746 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: a lot of questions about whether they really hit anyone 747 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: related to ISIS, And very quickly there starts to be 748 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: reports of large civilian casualties, at least seven up to ten, 749 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: including baby I mean little Afghan children. So the New 750 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: York Times dug in and actually went on the ground 751 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: and figured out who was it that our military that 752 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,959 Speaker 1: in this drone strike was actually killed. And turns out, 753 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: lo and behold, the supposed isis K terrorist that they 754 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: targeted was a fourteen year employee of the Nutrition and 755 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: Education International, a USNNGO that fights malnutrition. His name is Amadi. 756 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: Let's throw this first tweet up on the screen, Evan Hill, 757 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean phenomenal journalism here, phenomenal journalism. Went to the house, 758 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: spoke to the family, tracked the security cameras that watched 759 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: mister Amadi over the day, go to his job distributing 760 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: aid to poor people who were without food, picking up 761 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: his colleagues, filling his car with water canisters that he 762 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: could bring home to his family. And what Evan says here, 763 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: the final act of war in Afghanistan was a drone 764 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: strike and cobble that killed ten people. And ultimately, our 765 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: latest investigation shows how a man the military saw as 766 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: a quote imminent threat and isis facilitator was actually an 767 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: AID worker returning to his family. When he pulled his 768 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: white Toyota Corolla into his family's courtyard, his children ran 769 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: out to greet him and to jump into the car. 770 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: That's when the drone strike hit, murdering him and children 771 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: in his family and extended family. Here's some of the 772 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: detail that the New York Times Evan Hill was able 773 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: to gather. Let's show this video which shows so the 774 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: military claim that he was picking up explosive material loading 775 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: his car down with explosive material. They even lied and 776 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,359 Speaker 1: said we know that it was explosive material because there 777 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: were secondary explosions that proved and that's what really killed 778 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: the civilians. Here, all complete lies. There were no secondary explosions. 779 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: The civilians were directly killed murdered by this drone strike. 780 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: And you can see the security camera footage here that 781 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 1: reveals mister Amadi loading his car with water to take 782 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: to his home where they were facing a water shortage. 783 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at that. At two thirty five pm, 784 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: a mighty pulls out a hose and then he and 785 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: a coworker fill empty containers with water. Earlier that morning, 786 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: we saw ahmddy bring these same empty plastic containers to 787 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,959 Speaker 1: the office. And the military never would say who they hit. Yes, 788 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: they admitted, They admitted to the New York Times they 789 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: didn't even know who it was. But this drone tracked 790 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 1: him for eight hours as he went about his day, 791 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: picking up his colleagues, going to his office. They described 792 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: his office as an unknown compound and it was really 793 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: just an AID worker office, and so they follow him 794 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: around and then they killed this guy that they even 795 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: admit they didn't even know who he was. It's such 796 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: a crime and unfortunately so typical of what was done 797 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and I rock and throughout the region year 798 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: after year after year, president after president after president. And 799 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: yet the thing they want Biden to resign for is 800 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: his withdrawal from Afghanistan, not any of this. You gotta 801 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: love that one. And this is the thing, this has 802 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: been happening for over ten years. The drone war that 803 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: Obama lit up in two thousand and nine. There have 804 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: been reports like this forever. Nobody cared, literally nobody. I 805 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: mean I think it was the Intercept and anti war 806 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: dot org that would report some interest stuff. Yeah, but 807 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: that was it. It's like people in the media, they're like, yeah, whatever, 808 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: so this is the thing, like they'll punish you and look, 809 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 1: rightfully so when the time comes whenever it goes against 810 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: their narrative. But this has been a feature of the 811 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: US War on terror in the tribal regions of Pakistan 812 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 1: and Afghanistan and Yemen and now for a long time. 813 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: And look, I'm not some like Howard Zin liberal, but 814 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is that one of the issues 815 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: is that the superior precision technology that they like to 816 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: talk about is only as good as the inte elligence 817 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: that you have in order to strike. And if you 818 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: don't have good intelligence, then your bomb is worse than useless, 819 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: like in this particular case. Ye. And that's the issue 820 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: that we've had, is that like, based on pretty sketchy intelligence, 821 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: we have had a process which was actually written by Obama, 822 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: which allowed the use of not just lethal force, but 823 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: lethal force with non combatants who are around in order 824 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: to be used with very little retrospective. You know, I 825 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: was reading yesterday about bin Laden's son Hamza. They're like 826 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,800 Speaker 1: the US beliefs they killed him sometime in twenty seventeen 827 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: but never got confirmation. I'm like, how does that work? 828 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: So you think you did it? Kind of who was there? 829 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: What happened? I mean, all of this is being done 830 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: in yr in my name. In order to protect you 831 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: and me, we need to have a lot more visibility. 832 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: And Obama, this is the real thing, is that he 833 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,280 Speaker 1: brought in this all this fake like legal ease about 834 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: these processes, like, oh, well, you know, I am the 835 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: decider and I have this entire forty page memo that 836 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: you have to go through. And I'm like, that doesn't 837 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: change the fact that it's not clearly not working. Number one, yea, 838 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: and number two, there's still a lot of screw ups. 839 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: Is there any process in which where is the Church 840 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: Committee or something like that of Congress which has looked 841 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: into any of this. Look, maybe it'll come, but I 842 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,280 Speaker 1: doubt it. Even if it did, all this one strike, 843 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: they won't look at the whole Yeah, and all these 844 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: people who claim to care about Afghans so that they 845 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: don't care. Please. I mean, we drone striked hospital, We 846 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: drone strike weddings like I remember that hospital. This is 847 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: nothing new. Let's even say, let's even say that he 848 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: had been isis K, which it looks pretty definitively like 849 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: he was a US AID worker who, by the working 850 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,399 Speaker 1: for a California based aid organization, who, by the way, 851 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,839 Speaker 1: he and his family had applied for Afghan refugee resettlement 852 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: to come here. I mean, these were pro American Afghans, 853 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: our allies, and we murdered them in their babies. Okay, 854 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: that's what happened here. But even if he had been 855 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: isis K, you're going to do this in the middle 856 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: of a This was a residential neighborhood in a densely 857 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: packed area of cobble like just so that Biden could 858 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,240 Speaker 1: try to avoid a bad news cycle of him saying 859 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: that he was weak, they had to go out and 860 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: bomb something so they could say we got the bad guys. 861 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: And this is the reality of what actually happened here. 862 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: And again from the very jump, we knew this thing 863 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: was suspicious because they wouldn't say if they really got 864 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: some high level isis K targets. They'd be crawing from 865 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: the rooftops about here's the guy, and here's what he did, 866 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,240 Speaker 1: here's what he looks like, and all of this stuff. 867 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 1: Wouldn't say there were two different strikes, wouldn't say who 868 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: they ultimately got. So I'm very curious also about that 869 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: other strike and who they actually took out. I can 870 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: tell you I covered the Pentagon. I'd cover a lot 871 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: of high value strikes. They always named the target whenever 872 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: it's a high value talk, yes, always, and if it's 873 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: as if they don't name the target, they're a lot 874 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: more descriptive. So this time they tried to do the 875 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: whole explosions. They'll be like an oil refinery in the city. 876 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: Here's the video, here's the proof of like why it 877 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: was on this one, it was a what two paragraph statement? Isis? 878 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: You know Pentagon has committed in an isus K attack 879 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: imminent whatever, No details, no clarifications. Here's the thing they 880 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: lied to us. One lied. There's also still no admission 881 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: yet from the Pentagon that they screwed up. And guarantee 882 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: you there won't be to move on. They'll bury it. 883 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: They'll do like we're doing an investigation exactly. It'll cook 884 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 1: it to the inspector general or whatever, and you're going 885 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: to get some fake report in like nine years that 886 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: will eventually be declassified and by that point, who the 887 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: hell knows what will be going on. This is a feature, 888 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 1: not a bug, of the last ten years of the 889 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: war on Terror. And that's again, this is all being 890 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: done in your name. You should really think about and 891 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: about what we let them get away with over the 892 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 1: last ten to fifteen years. And a lot of these 893 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: attacks do not hold up over scrutiny. And again I 894 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: would I would love to see some isis kai gay 895 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: guy with suicide bomb get blown up. But here's the thing, like, 896 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,919 Speaker 1: you got to be sure because otherwise what are you doing. 897 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we kill the USAID worker and his kids. 898 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: That's not a joke. You know, twenty years ago, that's 899 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: enough to get fired in the military. That's enough in 900 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: order to prompt like a real investigation. Now they're just 901 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: like yeah, whatever. I mean, they're counting on the news 902 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: cycle to move on and it will, which it will, 903 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, the years down the road, if 904 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: there is actually any sort of investigation, it'll be too 905 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: late for it to matter. For anyone to care. Just 906 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: remember when we talk about the War on Terear, this 907 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: is what it was. This is what it was. When 908 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,320 Speaker 1: they want to revive this, resuscitate it, rehabit and apply 909 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: it again out of our citizens, no, no, I mean 910 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: this is literally what we're talking about. So do not 911 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: fall for it. The War on tear was nothing but 912 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: an atrocity. It was horrific. It was terrible for us. 913 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: It was terrible for the Afghans. It was terrible for Rockies, 914 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: it was terrible for Syrians, it was terrible for that 915 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: entire region. It's done. All it has done is made 916 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: us less safe and by the way, murdered hundreds of 917 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: thousands of people in the meantime. So we are not 918 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,720 Speaker 1: going down that road again. All right, Okay, another topic, Yeah, 919 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: so more depressing news for you. We've been tracking closely, 920 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: of course, where Democrats are with this three and a 921 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: half trillion dollar proposed reconciliation bill. You'll recall a lot 922 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: of progressive priorities in here, but also things that are 923 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: supported by a lot of people bipartisan on a bipartisan basis. 924 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 1: In this package, things like universal pre K, things like 925 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: universal community college, paid family leave elder care, expanding medicare. 926 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things in here that you have 927 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: brought bipartisan support. So of course, the big fly in 928 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: the ointment has been Joe Manchin, who keeps coming out, 929 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 1: posturing and saying he's not going to support anything like 930 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: three and a half trillion. Here's his latest contribution to 931 00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: the conversation. The leader, Chuck Schumer says he's moving quote 932 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: full speed ahead with this package. Will he have your vote? 933 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,799 Speaker 1: And that's fine, he can't. He will not have my 934 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 1: vote on three point five and Chuck knows that. And 935 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: we've talked about this. We've already put out five point 936 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: four trillion, and we've tried to help Americans in every 937 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: way we possibly can't. And a lot of the help 938 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 1: that we put out there is still there, and it's 939 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: going to run clear until next year twenty twenty two. 940 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: What's the urgency? What's their urgency that we have is 941 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 1: not now. I should say Mansion is the most vocal 942 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,760 Speaker 1: because it's the most politically beneficial for him to be vocal, 943 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: but he is not the only Democrat. A lot of 944 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: especially on some of the tax increasism, and to get 945 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,719 Speaker 1: to the latest revelations on what they're planning on doing 946 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: with regards to taxes in a minute. But this is 947 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: developing into a bit of a war of words and 948 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: posturing between Mansion and Bernie Sanders, who really crafted this bill. 949 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: He's of course, chair of the Senate Budget Committee and 950 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: put a lot of these provisions together and has been 951 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: one of the frontmen in terms of pushing this forward. 952 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to his response to Joe Manchin. First, 953 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: your colleague, Joe Manchin just explicitly told me, repeatedly, he 954 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: will not support your three point five trillion dollar reconciliation bill. 955 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 1: He wants to see something more in the ballpark of 956 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 1: one point five trillion. Is that acceptable to you? No, 957 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: it's absolutely not acceptable to me. I don't think it's 958 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: acceptable to the President, but the American people or the 959 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of the people in the Democratic courcuse look. 960 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: So look, Bernie feels like they already compromised going from 961 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: six trillion to three and a half trillion. The big 962 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: question is, is Manchin, you know, really going to dig 963 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: in his heels here or is he posturing for what 964 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,359 Speaker 1: he thinks are his you know, political interests back home 965 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: and is ultimately going to yield and give them something 966 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 1: that will be acceptable. I kind of do think he's 967 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: going to dig their heels in crystal. And oh another 968 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 1: thing is that he remember Josh gottheimer. One of the 969 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,760 Speaker 1: things that the moderate's so called got was a deadline 970 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: to vote by the end of September, and in that 971 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,439 Speaker 1: same interview, Mansion said absolutely not, it's not no way, 972 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,279 Speaker 1: and for I asked around, there's not enough Senate time 973 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: in order to make sure that happened. They are back 974 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: this week, so we'll probably have more news on that, 975 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: but then they're out of session again. So we got 976 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 1: to remember that all of this is about a drag 977 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: out game and what the Mansion Cinema moderate types want. 978 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 1: They want that bipartisan infrastructure bill to pass, but they 979 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: do not want to vote for this bill, and so 980 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,360 Speaker 1: they are doing everything in their power in order to 981 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: make it so that eventually Pelosi and everybody else compromise 982 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: and goes, okay, fine, we'll just pass this bipartisan bill. 983 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 1: So this actually really does put the ball in AOC 984 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 1: and the progressive's court as well as Bernie. Are they 985 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: actually gonna hold up line? So I mean, you should 986 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,560 Speaker 1: tell me because I actually don't know. At the end 987 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: of the day, I do think that Mansion and Cinema 988 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,439 Speaker 1: actually are digging in their heels because when they say 989 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,240 Speaker 1: three point five trillion is not acceptable, it's not the spending, 990 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: it's that they don't want to also increase the taxes. 991 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,399 Speaker 1: So they're like, well, I could if it was all 992 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: paid for, but you come to the pay for is 993 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,880 Speaker 1: they're not for them right whatsoever? That's the issue. So 994 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the taxes that they're actually cool with, 995 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,360 Speaker 1: we are talking about about a trillion, a one trillion, 996 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: one point five trillion that they're saying that they would 997 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,359 Speaker 1: be okay with. So that being said, given they've drawn 998 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 1: one hard line and they've also done the other on 999 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 1: the taxes, the ball really is in Bernie and then 1000 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,799 Speaker 1: the four progressives in the House. Are you actually going 1001 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 1: to vote down the bill which would frankly guarantee zero 1002 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,239 Speaker 1: infrastructure package because then the by Parson one would also fail. Yeah, 1003 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: because while the bipartisan infrastructure bill had a lot of 1004 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: Republican support, in the sense that support has melted away exactly. 1005 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: So you're talking about you may get like eight to 1006 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,280 Speaker 1: ten Republicans who vote with you in the House, which 1007 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 1: means if you have a group, a block of a 1008 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 1: similar block of progressives who are willing to vote no, 1009 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,839 Speaker 1: then you're able to kill the whole thing. You're able 1010 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: to actually have leverage in the process. Now, they say, 1011 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: and I talked to Rocanna recently, they say, the entire 1012 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: Progressive Caucus has committed to voting no. But where this 1013 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: gets squishy, very squishy fast, is they haven't explicitly defined 1014 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,680 Speaker 1: what their red line is. And what Roe Kanna said 1015 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: is that they're really kind of looking to Bernie for 1016 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: guidance on that. Now, even that is like I'm sure 1017 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: Roe and some others may be looking to Bernie and 1018 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,839 Speaker 1: the rest of the Progressive Caucus, who knows. But that's 1019 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 1: where it starts to get squishy is their line has 1020 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,279 Speaker 1: been no climate, no deal. Well, what does that mean, right? 1021 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: What are you willing to actually accept? Is it a 1022 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,760 Speaker 1: dollar value? Is it like, if it's below two trillion, 1023 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 1: we're voting no. Is it we have to have these 1024 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: specific climate provisions that we're voting no? They won't say. 1025 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: So that's the real question. I do want to say. 1026 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: I mean, AOC and others have been extremely consistent. They've 1027 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: been very clear. They've been very consistent. We are voting 1028 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 1: no on infrastructure unless we get a sizeable reconciliation package, 1029 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 1: no climate, no deal. We'll see. It's very very revealing 1030 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,879 Speaker 1: the way that Mansion and others go after this bill 1031 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,400 Speaker 1: because they don't ever attack any of the specific provisions 1032 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,840 Speaker 1: because each specific provision is very popular, Right, who's gonna 1033 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,840 Speaker 1: oppose universal pre k like kids getting to go to preschool. 1034 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,400 Speaker 1: They don't want to pose the actual what's popular in it, 1035 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,520 Speaker 1: the pre K, community college, expanding medicare like things that 1036 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,360 Speaker 1: are popular and also really important in a state like 1037 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:31,280 Speaker 1: West Virginia. They're taking the exact same tactic that that 1038 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 1: oil lobbyist laid out and said that they would take, 1039 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 1: which is they're going to attack the pay fors and 1040 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,320 Speaker 1: they're going to attack the overall price tag. Without getting 1041 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,400 Speaker 1: into the details. Now, on the pay fors, we actually 1042 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,760 Speaker 1: had some news on this front that came out. Jeff 1043 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,920 Speaker 1: Stein and one of his colleagues at the Washington Post 1044 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: got this from the Democrats on the House Ways and 1045 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 1: Means Committee. So they're the ones who got to who 1046 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,720 Speaker 1: have to kind of like figure out what the tax 1047 00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: increases are actually going to look like. So they're out 1048 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 1: with the new proposal this morning that would increase the 1049 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 1: corporate rate to twenty six point five percent. That's less 1050 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: than Biden had originally proposed. However, they're also layering on 1051 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,839 Speaker 1: a three percent surtax on those who are earning five 1052 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: million dollars. Plus the capital gains would also change to 1053 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 1: increase into twenty five percent, which is again lower than 1054 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: what Biden ultimately proposed. But with this basket of tax 1055 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 1: changes plus greater enforcement, plus dynamic scoring, plus some other 1056 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: sort of like gimmicky things, they're saying that they're getting 1057 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,919 Speaker 1: two that three and a half trillion dollar line. We'll 1058 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,200 Speaker 1: see what mansion Cinema at all respond to this new 1059 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: modified proposal in terms of the tax increases. Yeah, I 1060 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,040 Speaker 1: will be shocked if Joe Manchin goes for a ten 1061 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: percent bump on the capitol case tax rate. That would 1062 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 1: be I mean, that would be shocking, you know, And 1063 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 1: it just shows you who is serving. How many West 1064 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: Virginians of his Constitution ruins are really worried about his 1065 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: daughter forty million dollar daughters in his family. That's exactly right, 1066 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,000 Speaker 1: a relatives, the ones who live there. Look, we'll see 1067 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: in his social circle. Let's be fair, this increasingly is 1068 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: becoming an absolute boon doggle and I am convinced that 1069 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,280 Speaker 1: it is Obamacare two point zero, even with the popular 1070 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: provisions within. Oh actually, this is the other thing. Joe 1071 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: Man should actually atack the child tax credit in that 1072 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 1: same interview. That's right. I don't know if you saw that. 1073 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 1: But then that comes to the question or the progressors 1074 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 1: willing to say, like, Okay, we'll take the climate provision 1075 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 1: if you take out the child tax credit. So it's 1076 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of bargaining power. James Cliburne already 1077 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,280 Speaker 1: out being like, all right, maybe not one point five, 1078 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 1: but how about two. Right, So the bargaining that is 1079 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,280 Speaker 1: all happening behind the scenes. I am convinced that eventually 1080 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:52,040 Speaker 1: something will probably pass. It will be a morass, It 1081 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: will be cobbled together. Individual provisions of it will fulfill 1082 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 1: democratic objectives, but the messaging on it will be just 1083 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: such a cluster that it won't it will not give 1084 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: the bump that well. And I don't even really care 1085 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 1: about the politics of it at this point. I care 1086 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,040 Speaker 1: about like the substance of it, you know, And because 1087 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, I think Democrats are pretty much start the 1088 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,640 Speaker 1: mid terms anyway, So now is the time to go 1089 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: big or go home, because this is it. I mean, 1090 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: that's really, this is it in terms of Biden administration 1091 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: and a legacy and changing you know, the direction and 1092 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: what is possible in reality for working class people. This 1093 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: is the chance right now. And uh, you know, I've 1094 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: I've pressed, uh, I pressed row. I also pressed. We 1095 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,360 Speaker 1: had Fashikir on Crystal Collan Friends, who is still an 1096 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 1: advisor to Bernie, so he's sort of privy to some 1097 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,000 Speaker 1: of these conversations, and he claims that behind the scenes, 1098 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,960 Speaker 1: the Biden people are playing a little more hardball than 1099 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 1: we're seeing up front. But who knows, who knows. We'll 1100 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: see where this goes. We'll see how much is posturing 1101 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: from mansion and how much is reality. But I do 1102 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,919 Speaker 1: think you're right. Certainly, any hope of getting the full 1103 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 1: three and a half trillion dollar package is definitely dashed. 1104 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: I if they get something that's in the two trillion 1105 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,920 Speaker 1: dollar range, I think that would be a real stretch 1106 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: and a real win at this point. I think you're right. 1107 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: So we'll see it's going the way of Obamacare. Some 1108 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,640 Speaker 1: December thirty first vote or something like that. Wow, you 1109 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: guys must really like listening to our voices. While I 1110 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: know this is annoying, instead of making you listen to 1111 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,360 Speaker 1: a Viagric commercial. When you're done, check out the other 1112 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,080 Speaker 1: podcast I do with Marshal Kasoff called The Realignment. We 1113 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: talk a lot about the deeper issues that are changing 1114 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 1: realigning in American society. You always need more Crystal and 1115 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 1: sag in your daily lives. Take care, guys, All right, Sager, 1116 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? One general rule that 1117 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: I have is never make September eleventh political. That day 1118 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 1: is reserved for remembering the people who died, the first responders, passengers, 1119 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 1: the workers in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. 1120 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,440 Speaker 1: That's for them. But the days after September twelve, thirteen 1121 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 1: so on, that's our day. It was on those days 1122 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,200 Speaker 1: that the critical decisions of twenty years ago were made 1123 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 1: in our name that would transform us into the rip 1124 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 1: depart sclerotic nation that we are today. For the last 1125 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,160 Speaker 1: twenty years, the real criminals of nine to eleven have 1126 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 1: gotten off completely scott free. They have had their decisions 1127 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: whitewashed by history because Trump was supposedly so bad that 1128 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,360 Speaker 1: their own roles in bringing him about or squandering the 1129 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 1: goodwill of this nation have been pushed to the wayside, 1130 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 1: and as time ticks on, an entire generation comes of 1131 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,920 Speaker 1: age with no memory of the event itself, it actually 1132 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 1: becomes easier to move on from their crimes. People who 1133 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,800 Speaker 1: are younger than me have a vague idea that things 1134 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 1: got really screwed up after nine to eleven, but they 1135 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how, and they don't really care because 1136 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,680 Speaker 1: they have current problems to worry about. So my goal 1137 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,720 Speaker 1: today is to remember the criminals of nine to eleven, 1138 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,120 Speaker 1: to really never forget the people who made discrete decisions 1139 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 1: at the time, who took the righteous anger of the 1140 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,960 Speaker 1: American people, manipulated it, and used it to justify the 1141 01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,360 Speaker 1: war in Iraq, which to date has killed thousands of Amaricarians, 1142 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,640 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of Iraqis cost Americans upwards of two 1143 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,760 Speaker 1: trillion dollars. There has never been a bigger betrayal of 1144 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 1: the United States and its people than by this decision, 1145 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 1: and the people responsible those responsibles should never be forgotten. 1146 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: They are who they are. How did this happen? It 1147 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,880 Speaker 1: is hard to remember, but think about this, This country 1148 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: will never be as united as we were On September twelfth, 1149 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and one, George W. Bush had a ninety 1150 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: percent approval rating. He had a mandate to do anything 1151 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,880 Speaker 1: in his power to hit back at those who attacked us. 1152 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: We even had the luxury of knowing who did it, 1153 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 1: because he took it. He took credit for it. Osama 1154 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,240 Speaker 1: bin Laden, he was hidening in Afghanistan. How the hell 1155 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: did we screw up something which was actually so simple. 1156 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,400 Speaker 1: All we had to do was go into Afghanistan, kill 1157 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Bin Laden, then come home and heal. So let's start 1158 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,040 Speaker 1: with Bush. He is the chief villain in our story. Bush, 1159 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,240 Speaker 1: because of his religion and his own messianic complex, could 1160 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 1: not shake the feeling that his was something bigger than 1161 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 1: what he was supposed to do. Going after Bin Laden 1162 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 1: was too simple to him. He wanted his response to 1163 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,640 Speaker 1: be part of a bigger war on terror and states 1164 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,160 Speaker 1: who enabled terror. Within his mind, Saddam Hussein was the 1165 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,840 Speaker 1: embodiment of that, and so literally September twelfth, two thousand 1166 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: and one, twenty years ago yesterday, George W. Bush pulled 1167 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 1: aside his National Security advisor for counter terrorism and asked 1168 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,640 Speaker 1: him to explore whether Iraq had anything to do with 1169 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,840 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Think about that. As we know bin 1170 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,960 Speaker 1: Laden is responsible, as ground zero is burning, the President 1171 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:39,320 Speaker 1: is already thinking about Iraq, even though no evidence then 1172 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,480 Speaker 1: or now points to his involvement in that plot. But 1173 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,600 Speaker 1: it's worse. It's not just Bush. Paul Wolfowitz, who's a 1174 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,479 Speaker 1: dedicated neo Khan, who served as Undersecretary of Defense under Bush, 1175 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,560 Speaker 1: on September fourteenth, two thousand and one, brought up Hussain 1176 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: again at a meeting to decide how to respond. Wolfowitz 1177 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 1: drew no ties with nine to eleven. He just saw 1178 01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,000 Speaker 1: it as a mandate to take out Saddam Hussein and 1179 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,760 Speaker 1: to replace him. It's hard to underscore how crazy this is, 1180 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,240 Speaker 1: but in their minds, they already were churning to say, 1181 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,080 Speaker 1: how do we use nine to eleven and the anger 1182 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,760 Speaker 1: of the American people to push an ideological war in Iraq? 1183 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 1: While bodies were still being pulled out of the World 1184 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,760 Speaker 1: Trade Center. Bush told him that Afghanistan was first, but 1185 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,919 Speaker 1: only eleven days after nine to eleven, George W. Bush 1186 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 1: asked Donald Rumsfeld, his then Secretary of Defense, to update 1187 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,960 Speaker 1: war plans in Iraq. It was the number two thing 1188 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 1: that was on his mind. So then what we go 1189 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 1: into Afghanistan? So Bush isn't all to blame, right wrong? 1190 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Why did we go into Afghanistan to kill Bin Laden? Well, 1191 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,080 Speaker 1: in December two thousand and one, as the US back 1192 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,080 Speaker 1: Northern Alliance sweeps across Afghanistan, we had been Laden cornered 1193 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,720 Speaker 1: in the mountains of Tora Bora. We knew he was there. 1194 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,480 Speaker 1: He's holed up with al Qaeda fighters. What do we do? Well, 1195 01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,080 Speaker 1: on the recommendation of General Tommy Franks, we decide send 1196 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,160 Speaker 1: US troops is just too difficult, will rely on the 1197 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,919 Speaker 1: Afghans to kill Bin Laden for us. Let me tell 1198 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,080 Speaker 1: you something twenty years ago, the Afghan fighters they're about 1199 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the same level of useful that we saw today. What 1200 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,800 Speaker 1: do you think happened? Bin Lauden slipped away. It's hard 1201 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,200 Speaker 1: to underscore how much of a disastrous decision that that was. 1202 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: George W. Bush, his war cabinet, and his top general 1203 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,720 Speaker 1: Tommy Franks, had been Laden dead to rights, the man 1204 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 1: who murdered three thousand of our citizens and who the 1205 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,560 Speaker 1: entire nation wanted to see dead. But they let him 1206 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,520 Speaker 1: get away because they were cautious in using troops in 1207 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,720 Speaker 1: the only instance in the War on Terror where maximum 1208 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,800 Speaker 1: support for using troops actually existed. To this day, they 1209 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,400 Speaker 1: don't have a good reason for why they let Bin 1210 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,800 Speaker 1: Laden get away, but that day was a turning point, 1211 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: because from that day forward, the attention of the White 1212 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:53,240 Speaker 1: House turned from Bin Laden and Afghanistan back to Iraq. Bush, 1213 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 1: per The New York Times Peter Baker, in his book 1214 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,160 Speaker 1: Days of Fire, felt that Afghanistan was quote too easy, 1215 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,240 Speaker 1: and that the American people wanted more. Obviously they did. 1216 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,520 Speaker 1: They wanted Bin Laden dead. But because he let him 1217 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,480 Speaker 1: slip away, he turned their anger towards Saddam Hussein. And 1218 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 1: it was that day forward, at the behest of Vice 1219 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,040 Speaker 1: President Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleeza Rice, directed by Bush, 1220 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,400 Speaker 1: that the US government became obsessed with the idea that 1221 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: the real threat was not the man who attacked us 1222 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,439 Speaker 1: on nine to eleven, but his potential and I say 1223 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: potential suppliers. They decided Saddam Hussein might be one of 1224 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,840 Speaker 1: those men, and so, with the help of the mainstream media, 1225 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,840 Speaker 1: they sold us a new war. The idea was to 1226 01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,000 Speaker 1: harness the anger of Americans towards Bin Laden and create 1227 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,600 Speaker 1: a bogus middleman. They're like, oh, well, Saddam may have 1228 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,000 Speaker 1: bad weapons and he may use them against America, or 1229 01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,760 Speaker 1: he may sell them to Bin Laden, even though they've 1230 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,160 Speaker 1: never met, and bin Laden actually hated Saddam Hussein almost 1231 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 1: one year to the day from nine to eleven. That's 1232 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 1: the type of stuff that they were saying on TV 1233 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,240 Speaker 1: at the time. There will always be some uncertainty about 1234 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,560 Speaker 1: how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapon, but we don't 1235 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,600 Speaker 1: want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. Months later, 1236 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 1: it was over, completely over. Americans overwhelmingly supported the invasion 1237 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,880 Speaker 1: of Iraq. They were lied to by their government. Seven 1238 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,480 Speaker 1: in ten Americans at the time believed that Saddam had 1239 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: something to do with nine to eleven. That's why I 1240 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 1: chose to do this monologue. We cannot forget Bush, Cheney, 1241 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 1: Rice Wolfowitz, Douglas Fife, General Tommy Franks. These people were 1242 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,000 Speaker 1: trusted by the American people to steward us through our 1243 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,680 Speaker 1: worst crisis since Pearl Harbor, and they misused our trust 1244 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,520 Speaker 1: to push a disastrous war and worse, let the real 1245 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:46,520 Speaker 1: perpetrator slip away for ten years. So many millions suffered 1246 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,920 Speaker 1: as a result. Of their actions, our trust and government 1247 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,120 Speaker 1: evaporated here at home, our treasure was spent abroad, our 1248 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,560 Speaker 1: economy shattered. Not to mention so many brave American servicemen 1249 01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 1: and women who either died or are now suffering from 1250 01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,760 Speaker 1: PTSD today, I remember them by pointing directly at those 1251 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,440 Speaker 1: responsible for screwing up our response to nine to eleven. 1252 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,240 Speaker 1: September eleven was and should always be the day for 1253 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: the victims. But from now on, make every September twelfth, 1254 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,600 Speaker 1: every September thirteen, the day that we remember how badly 1255 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,680 Speaker 1: that we were misserved by the people in power. And 1256 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,679 Speaker 1: the next time you see these liars on TV telling 1257 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,680 Speaker 1: you to blame anyone but themselves for the state of 1258 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,200 Speaker 1: the country, just laugh and remember what they really did. 1259 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,320 Speaker 1: So I just thought it was important. I don't think 1260 01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,639 Speaker 1: people understand what really happened. One more thing, I promise. 1261 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,240 Speaker 1: Just wanted to make sure you knew about my podcast 1262 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 1: with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where 1263 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,839 Speaker 1: we do long form interviews with people like Nom Chomsky, 1264 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,240 Speaker 1: Cornell West, and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any 1265 01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,680 Speaker 1: podcast platform, or you can subscribe over on substack to 1266 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,679 Speaker 1: get the video a day early. We're going to stop 1267 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,479 Speaker 1: bugging you now. Enjoy Crystal, what are you taking a 1268 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,719 Speaker 1: look at? Well? Tomorrow, California voters are going to decide 1269 01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,439 Speaker 1: whether to keep or recall Democratic Governor Gavin new in 1270 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: a closely watched test of pandemic culture war politics. Now, 1271 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Newsom has faced right wing criticism for lockdowns and mask mandates, 1272 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,400 Speaker 1: coupled with voter dissatisfaction over a whole range of issues 1273 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,240 Speaker 1: spanning from homelessness to the extreme droughts and fires that 1274 01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,920 Speaker 1: have racked that state. But really, the recall gained a 1275 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,040 Speaker 1: lot of traction when these photos emerged of Newsom and 1276 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,000 Speaker 1: his elite friends celebrating a birthday at a fancy restaurant 1277 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,519 Speaker 1: called the French Laundry while the commoners were under full 1278 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,880 Speaker 1: pandemic lockdown. Now, overall, Newsom's approval rating has actually remained 1279 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,840 Speaker 1: pretty decent, but the recall's political dynamics gave Republicans a 1280 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,120 Speaker 1: real shot at victory here. Their theory of the case 1281 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,839 Speaker 1: was that while recall supporters were fired up and angry 1282 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,560 Speaker 1: with Newsom, liberal recall opponents they are kind of apathetic 1283 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,760 Speaker 1: and that they might not show up to vote. At all. 1284 01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,920 Speaker 1: The design of the recall itself also gave Republicans a chance. Here, 1285 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,960 Speaker 1: voters are asked two questions on the ballot. First, they're 1286 01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 1: asked do you support recalling Gavin Newsom? And then second 1287 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,360 Speaker 1: they ask who would you replace him with? So, because 1288 01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 1: the first question doesn't directly pit Newsom against a particular 1289 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,439 Speaker 1: Republican candidate, the theory went that it would be easier 1290 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,200 Speaker 1: for independence and even some Democrats potentially to vote in 1291 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,680 Speaker 1: favor of the recall without really thinking through the consequences 1292 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,320 Speaker 1: of ending up with a Republican governor. Now, in early August, 1293 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,559 Speaker 1: things were actually looking pretty good for this strategy. The 1294 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,360 Speaker 1: delta variant was surging, the leading Republican opponents were largely undefined, 1295 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,320 Speaker 1: and the five thirty eight average of polls tightened all 1296 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,560 Speaker 1: the way to a tie, something we covered here. But 1297 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,519 Speaker 1: since then things have changed pretty dramatically. Now we always 1298 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,400 Speaker 1: take polls with a grain or one hundred grains of salt. However, 1299 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,439 Speaker 1: Newsom is now the overwhelming favorite, with a fifteen point edge. 1300 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,200 Speaker 1: Turnout shows Democrats flocking to the polls, and Republicans have 1301 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 1: generally watched their high hopes crash and burn. So what 1302 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,160 Speaker 1: happened here well, it would appear that the GUP overplayed 1303 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,639 Speaker 1: their culture warhand, flocking to an incendie or a candidate 1304 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,000 Speaker 1: that Newsom easily tied to Trump and defined as extreme 1305 01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,280 Speaker 1: as right wing talk show host and classic Boomer Republican 1306 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,120 Speaker 1: Larry Elder. Surge. The Newsom campaign pounced shifting the race 1307 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,360 Speaker 1: from being a referendum on Newsom to being a choice 1308 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,679 Speaker 1: between Newsom and Larry Elder. An Elder, with his many 1309 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,240 Speaker 1: years as a right wing commentator, certainly gave them plenty 1310 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,400 Speaker 1: of material to work with. Here is Governor Newsom at 1311 01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,720 Speaker 1: a recent rally with Kamala Harris reminding voters Elder said 1312 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,000 Speaker 1: that climate change is a croc and tying him to 1313 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,200 Speaker 1: that extreme anti abortion law that just passed in Texas, 1314 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,840 Speaker 1: the extreme weather we're experiencing, the likes of which we've 1315 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,760 Speaker 1: never experienced in our lifetime. And we've got someone by 1316 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,760 Speaker 1: the name of Larry Allen that believes climate change is 1317 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:48,800 Speaker 1: a myth, believes it's a croc, and believes the answer 1318 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,320 Speaker 1: to believes the answer to context is increasing offshore oil drilling. 1319 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,479 Speaker 1: That's his solution. Someone doesn't even believe in the Clean 1320 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Air Act. That's Larry albertu someone that celebrates what just 1321 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:11,000 Speaker 1: happened to women in Texas and is celebrating the prospect 1322 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:18,000 Speaker 1: of overturning Roe V. Way. Elder's previous comments justifying discrimination 1323 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,400 Speaker 1: against women in the workplace have also become an issue, 1324 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,120 Speaker 1: along with his suggestion that women just weren't smart enough 1325 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,479 Speaker 1: to understand the nuances of the free market, which is 1326 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,759 Speaker 1: why that they favored Democrats. The revelation of those comments 1327 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,440 Speaker 1: does seem to be having an impact. Women are overwhelmingly 1328 01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,599 Speaker 1: backing Newsom and turning in ballots at high rates. But 1329 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,799 Speaker 1: perhaps the most telling argument, and also the most relevant 1330 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,879 Speaker 1: to national politics, came in a closing ad from Newsom. 1331 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,600 Speaker 1: What's at stake in the September fourteenth recall, It's a 1332 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: matter of life and death with Delta surging. Gavin Newsom 1333 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:53,040 Speaker 1: is protecting California, requiring vaccination for health workers and school employees. 1334 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,519 Speaker 1: The top Republican candidate, he peddled deadly conspiracy theories and 1335 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,840 Speaker 1: would eliminate vaccine mandates on day one, threatening school closures 1336 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,519 Speaker 1: and our recovery. Stop the spread, return your ballot or 1337 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,639 Speaker 1: vote in person by September fourteenth, Protect California by voting 1338 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,680 Speaker 1: no on the Republican recall. By the way, for those 1339 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,120 Speaker 1: of you who are listening, that ad features a shot 1340 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,920 Speaker 1: of top GOP contender Larry Elder, all cozied up to 1341 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,920 Speaker 1: President Trump, But perhaps even more significantly, it centers explicitly 1342 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 1: on newsome support for vaccine mandates and Elder's opposition. Keep 1343 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,679 Speaker 1: in mind, over eighty percent of eligible Californians have gotten 1344 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,639 Speaker 1: at least one shot. That compares to about seventy four 1345 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,800 Speaker 1: percent of eligible Americans overall. Now, the vaccine resistant are 1346 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,800 Speaker 1: a pretty small minority in this state, as they are 1347 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,320 Speaker 1: at this point nationwide and looking nationwide, support for vaccine 1348 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,400 Speaker 1: mandates Actually Dwarf's the Opposition. An AP poll prior to 1349 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,560 Speaker 1: Biden's vaccine or Test announcement found that a majority of 1350 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,559 Speaker 1: Americans favorite vaccine requirements for all in person workers, while 1351 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,000 Speaker 1: only twenty six percent of pose twenty three percent were 1352 01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,120 Speaker 1: undecided on the question. One would have to assume that 1353 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,120 Speaker 1: the Californian numbers on vaccine mandates are even more clear cut. 1354 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,680 Speaker 1: Whatever your own position is on the issue. Politically, it 1355 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,040 Speaker 1: would certainly appear that Democrats are in the strong majority 1356 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,880 Speaker 1: on vaccine requirements and make no mistake. COVID is still 1357 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,840 Speaker 1: the defining issue of our time. Republicans in California bet 1358 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,280 Speaker 1: on voter hostility to pandemic restrictions. Democrats bet on voter 1359 01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,920 Speaker 1: hostility to the pandemic itself. With those two options put 1360 01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,599 Speaker 1: it head to head, Democratic enthusiasm has skyrocketed and Newsom 1361 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,080 Speaker 1: has opened up what looks to be a fifteen point lead. Now, look, 1362 01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,240 Speaker 1: it's California. It's a solidly blue state. The polls also 1363 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,559 Speaker 1: haven't closed yet, so let me throw in my caveat 1364 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,639 Speaker 1: that anything can happen. But the abrupt reversal of fortunes 1365 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,280 Speaker 1: for Republicans in the state as culture war lines have 1366 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,600 Speaker 1: hardened is a telling indicator. Terry mccaulliffe and Virginia Democrats 1367 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,719 Speaker 1: they're leaning into a similar approach as is Joe Biden. Clearly, 1368 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,560 Speaker 1: at the federal level, Biden is practically begging for Republican 1369 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,000 Speaker 1: meltdown over his new vaccine or testing requirements. Now, I 1370 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,240 Speaker 1: am still generally of the opinion the Dems are pretty 1371 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,960 Speaker 1: much screwed for the midterms, but it looks like Democrats 1372 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,519 Speaker 1: have decided to fully join the culture war fight. Vaccine 1373 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,200 Speaker 1: mandates are the new dividing line and they are spoiling 1374 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,760 Speaker 1: for the fight soccer. I'm actually curious what your analysis 1375 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,640 Speaker 1: is here, because we're covering this and it really was 1376 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,800 Speaker 1: like joining us now. Matt Stoler, he is the American 1377 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,840 Speaker 1: Economic Liberties Project Director, and he's here to talk about 1378 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,320 Speaker 1: a very new and interesting story that he brought to 1379 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,720 Speaker 1: our attention about Wall Street greed after the nine to 1380 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,280 Speaker 1: eleven crisis. Let's go ahead and put this tweet up 1381 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,679 Speaker 1: there on the screen, and Matt, it is really great 1382 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,400 Speaker 1: to see you. Can you tell us a little bit 1383 01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,960 Speaker 1: about what we're looking at with the stock options and 1384 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,920 Speaker 1: the story that not a lot of people have paid 1385 01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,080 Speaker 1: attention to. Yeah, so this is a I think this 1386 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,880 Speaker 1: kind of like encapsulates nine to eleven and particularly the 1387 01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,439 Speaker 1: response to nine to eleven. So after nine to eleven happened, 1388 01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,920 Speaker 1: this stock market went down by like, I don't know, 1389 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,640 Speaker 1: fifteen percent or so, and a whole bunch of companies 1390 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,040 Speaker 1: like Pop, important companies like United Health, Black and Decker 1391 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:07,759 Speaker 1: Home Depot used that opportunity to give their CEO's stock 1392 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,040 Speaker 1: at a lower price so that when it went up later, 1393 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,760 Speaker 1: those CEOs would get paid more. In other words, they 1394 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,000 Speaker 1: didn't see nine to eleven as a tragedy. They saw 1395 01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,120 Speaker 1: nine to eleven as an opportunity to loot their own companies. 1396 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,640 Speaker 1: And one of the companies, actually several of them, but 1397 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,120 Speaker 1: one of them, I'll mention Merrill Lynch actually lost a 1398 01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,960 Speaker 1: bunch of employees in nine to eleven and ten days later. 1399 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,800 Speaker 1: What they were focused on was not the attacks, not 1400 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:42,080 Speaker 1: the employees, but giving their CEO stock higher valued stock 1401 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,640 Speaker 1: so that he could get paid more. So this is 1402 01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,000 Speaker 1: what corporate America did after nine to eleven. About one 1403 01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety out of the leading eighteen hundred companies 1404 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,439 Speaker 1: did this, And it's kind of the most disgusting, rantsid 1405 01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,400 Speaker 1: example of greed and opportunity on Wall Street and among 1406 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:05,439 Speaker 1: corporate executives that I've ever seen. Do you think that 1407 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,880 Speaker 1: it's just inherent in corporate America that they're going to 1408 01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,200 Speaker 1: behave this way? Like? Have they always behaved in such 1409 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:17,320 Speaker 1: an evil, shameless, greedy manner or was there another better 1410 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,760 Speaker 1: time where there was like some sense of decency, There 1411 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,040 Speaker 1: was better time? I think now it's it's you know, 1412 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,160 Speaker 1: and I say, now, this was twenty years ago, but 1413 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,040 Speaker 1: it's uniquely bad. We have not enforced the law against 1414 01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,320 Speaker 1: corporate crime basically at an elite level, basically since the 1415 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,120 Speaker 1: mid nineteen nineties. And so this is what you get. 1416 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,639 Speaker 1: You get lawlessness. And it was better pretty much almost 1417 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 1: in any other time in American history. It was pretty 1418 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,160 Speaker 1: good in the nineteen fifties and sixties. Nineteen forties, there 1419 01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,280 Speaker 1: were big political battles, but this basically tracks are we 1420 01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,920 Speaker 1: willing to enforce the law against the powerful? And when 1421 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: you're not, the power full at incredibly piggish in greedy 1422 01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,840 Speaker 1: in ways that are basically sociopathic. Yeah, and I think 1423 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,720 Speaker 1: I want to underscore to people. I mean, back to 1424 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,200 Speaker 1: that graphic, is that, like we're not talking about like 1425 01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,439 Speaker 1: a month after nine eleven. We're talking like days after 1426 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,320 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, Like people still pulling bodies out of 1427 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,120 Speaker 1: the World Trade Center and they're focused on granting themselves 1428 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,680 Speaker 1: stock options. You said that it was emblematic of our 1429 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:29,240 Speaker 1: entire response to the crisis. What did you mean by that? Yeah, So, 1430 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours after nine to eleven, the and I 1431 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,559 Speaker 1: don't mean to get partisan here, but the Republicans were 1432 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:40,360 Speaker 1: in charge at the time. You know, George Bush was 1433 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,719 Speaker 1: thinking about and planning on invading Iraq, right and House 1434 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,840 Speaker 1: Republicans were saying, well, in response to this crisis, what 1435 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,320 Speaker 1: we need to do is cut corporate taxes in cut 1436 01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,200 Speaker 1: capital gains task. This was twenty four to forty eight 1437 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,240 Speaker 1: hours after nine to eleven, when the entire country was reeling. 1438 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,880 Speaker 1: That's what they were talking about and thinking of doing. 1439 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,160 Speaker 1: And they ultimately did both. And so corporate America does this, 1440 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:08,160 Speaker 1: and you know, corporate America does what they do. They looted, right, 1441 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,600 Speaker 1: these CEOs looted their own companies. Wall Street, you know, 1442 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,559 Speaker 1: was looting their own companies, even if some of their 1443 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:21,000 Speaker 1: employees died. And you know, the Republican leadership and the 1444 01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, Republican president were trying to lead us in 1445 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,519 Speaker 1: directions that were ultimately catastrophic. And that's what they did 1446 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:33,360 Speaker 1: with this moment of immense tragedy that everybody wanted this 1447 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:37,439 Speaker 1: to be a moment of unity. They totally exploited us 1448 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 1: and shattered the country in many ways, shattered the West. 1449 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,280 Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't think we'll ever recover from that. 1450 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,280 Speaker 1: What did you make a George W. Bush's speech over 1451 01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:55,160 Speaker 1: the weekend, Matt, I mean, he's a monster. I mean, 1452 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,599 Speaker 1: there's no like I don't know about his personal character, 1453 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,640 Speaker 1: but the policy choice that he made. You know, he 1454 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,960 Speaker 1: was way worse than any president than I've ever seen. 1455 01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, if you're a Republican, you know, 1456 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,920 Speaker 1: he's way worse than any Democrat that's been in office. 1457 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,880 Speaker 1: If you're a Democrat and think Trump is the worst 1458 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,840 Speaker 1: thing ever, like that's not true. What Trump did. What 1459 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,120 Speaker 1: Bush did was so much worse than Trump. So to 1460 01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,600 Speaker 1: have him there and sort of self righteously muse on, 1461 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, whatever ails our country today, I mean, it's 1462 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,479 Speaker 1: just kind of it's appalling. I mean, it reminds me 1463 01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,680 Speaker 1: of him saying, you know, talking about the women of 1464 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,120 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and how we can't withdraw on. I mean, it's 1465 01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,200 Speaker 1: just like, this guy is responsible for the problems that 1466 01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,000 Speaker 1: we're having today, for the shattered society that we have today. 1467 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,600 Speaker 1: So he should just not he should just not be 1468 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,280 Speaker 1: considered credible. I think it's important for people for people 1469 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,880 Speaker 1: to remember that, given the mandate that they had. I 1470 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,360 Speaker 1: talked to. This is basically a common theme of the show, 1471 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,679 Speaker 1: so it'll sound familiar. Can you walk people through actually 1472 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,000 Speaker 1: that corporate tax agenda? Because the tax cuts of two 1473 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,200 Speaker 1: thousand and two in two thousand and three were basically 1474 01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,720 Speaker 1: in response to nine to eleven. I don't think it's 1475 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,160 Speaker 1: a part of the story that people seem to understand 1476 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,559 Speaker 1: how they were able to pass something which frankly today 1477 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,360 Speaker 1: would have been super unpopular and even still kind of 1478 01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,880 Speaker 1: was at the time, but was shrouded in the in 1479 01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 1: the tragedy. Yeah, So George Bush ran in two thousand 1480 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,320 Speaker 1: and on a humble foreign policy, like let's let it 1481 01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,200 Speaker 1: remind you of that, Like he said, we're not doing 1482 01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,320 Speaker 1: the nation building abroad, unlike these the crazy Democrats. And 1483 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,719 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not boosting Bill Clinton here or anything. 1484 01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what George Push did. And then 1485 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, he gets into office and they passed a 1486 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,880 Speaker 1: tax cut in two thousand and one, a tax cut 1487 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,360 Speaker 1: for the wealthy before nine eleven, which is what he 1488 01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:47,519 Speaker 1: ran on. And then nine to eleven happens, and they're like, oh, 1489 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,880 Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to do what we want to do, 1490 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,559 Speaker 1: which is to cut capital gains tax cuts or capital 1491 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,639 Speaker 1: gains taxes and corporate taxes. And so the two thousand 1492 01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,400 Speaker 1: and one tax cuts were largely about cutting taxes on 1493 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,120 Speaker 1: the wealthy, wealthy individuals. The two thousand and three tax cuts, 1494 01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,320 Speaker 1: which they said, oh, this is a stimulus. This is 1495 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,800 Speaker 1: to deal with the economy that's not doing particularly well 1496 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,920 Speaker 1: because we have a recession from the you know, the 1497 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,960 Speaker 1: dot com hangover, but also from nine to eleven. We're 1498 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,599 Speaker 1: going to cut taxes on capital, and if you work 1499 01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,680 Speaker 1: for a living, you basically don't have capital. This was 1500 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,360 Speaker 1: purely a tax cut for the extremely wealthy and for 1501 01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,320 Speaker 1: corporate America, which we're already doing fine, and so that's 1502 01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: what the Bush agenda was. It was unpopular, the Democrats, 1503 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,400 Speaker 1: as usual, kind of went along with it, and it 1504 01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,760 Speaker 1: ultimately led to you know, it was one of the 1505 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,519 Speaker 1: contributors to inflating the bubble that later later crashed in 1506 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:50,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. 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