Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Nerdificent time
Speaker 1: your host, if you want, you wouldn't sit across from me,
Speaker 1: as always heels Danny Fernandez. How's it going. It's going good?
Speaker 1: If good, how's your week going? You know, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited that I don't know when we decided collectively as
Speaker 1: a people that September was October season. Yeah. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really likes Halloween is getting the Christmas treatment and that
Speaker 1: they're just bumping. Because I was going through the store
Speaker 1: yesterday and Naomi was like Halloween and I was like
Speaker 1: what And it was all decked out with Halloween decorations
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, have her hang out
Speaker 1: with her Danny. Yeah. No, she's really into hangs and
Speaker 1: seeing Halloween stuff. And it's way cooler now because she
Speaker 1: can vocalize the things that she needs, so it's where
Speaker 1: it's it's easier to be can wait to take her
Speaker 1: to her first real haunted house. I know she's like,
Speaker 1: she's like definitely got the iffy scaredy cat jeans because
Speaker 1: like there was a little like plushed which thing that
Speaker 1: you could put on your porch and it's just like
Speaker 1: a still thing. And I was like, oh, you want
Speaker 1: to see it? And I pulled it down and she
Speaker 1: was in the shopping cart and she like jerked backwards
Speaker 1: like what is this what it was? And I was
Speaker 1: like no when I poked it in the stomach and
Speaker 1: then she was like, okay, I just I mean that's
Speaker 1: good though, because kids can be really terrifying when it
Speaker 1: comes to scary things. One of my friends was telling
Speaker 1: me that his nephew would just be like the man
Speaker 1: is back and just like point to nothing. This is
Speaker 1: this is why I uriously like you. I remember when
Speaker 1: she was a little she was like she was looking
Speaker 1: in a corner where there was nothing and smiling and laughs.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, there's that there's a ghostian ancestor
Speaker 1: or something. Uh seguine in the world is way possible.
Speaker 1: I'm breaking on. Well. I wanted to be like, you
Speaker 1: have kids, so you I was about the ghost. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, you two at the table have kids,
Speaker 1: and I do not that. Other voices screenwriter and a
Speaker 1: good friend of ours, Mark bernardin Hey, you know who
Speaker 1: I blame for Halloween moving up Starbucks? Like it's all
Speaker 1: that it's pumpkin spice. Yeah, and like they've been like
Speaker 1: marching that up to the end of August. No, you'all
Speaker 1: gotta slow down. But you're you're a spooky head, right,
Speaker 1: like you're a horror person. Uh, let's okay. There's there's
Speaker 1: a dividing line between me and horror which ends at
Speaker 1: like the Ring. Like before that, like I was totally
Speaker 1: down for it, like, give me all the evil dads,
Speaker 1: give me the nightmre, I'm sure he's giving the Halloween's like,
Speaker 1: give me all that stuff. And then the Ring happened
Speaker 1: and I was like not having it. And then after
Speaker 1: that I turned into like the biggest woos you've ever
Speaker 1: seen in the world, to the point where like I
Speaker 1: won't go you a movie in theaters. I went to
Speaker 1: a birthday party at the at the Alamo Drafthouse over
Speaker 1: the weekend and they've been having clowns only screenings and
Speaker 1: I found myself an elevator with like a dozen clowns,
Speaker 1: and like, have never been more concerned for my well being.
Speaker 1: That's so cool though, because at the AMC that I
Speaker 1: went to to see it, it said no face paint.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you grinches, don't you even try this? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because that's the same. I'm the same way,
Speaker 1: won't see a scary movie, but now I do. Who
Speaker 1: Shot You? Which is a movie podcast in there, And
Speaker 1: now it's time for the second scary movie because I
Speaker 1: had to see Scary Stories and now I have to
Speaker 1: go see it, which I'm probably gonna see tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1: That's the way. Yeah, go in the day save just
Speaker 1: like stand outside and like through the door. Yet no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched the whole movie with like squinted through like
Speaker 1: tiny eyes. Wow. No, just I'm an omega level was
Speaker 1: when it comes to that for real, I remember you
Speaker 1: told me I forgot what you said that you're like
Speaker 1: going to some haunted experience that you have to do,
Speaker 1: and I was I literally texted you back and was
Speaker 1: just like, if you real life is much scarier than
Speaker 1: so you're already prepped. You're like, no, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't need It's it's odd enough being like brown in America.
Speaker 1: Everything is scary. Yeah, I don't need to, Like I
Speaker 1: got my jolly and now you want to just watch
Speaker 1: a rom com? Yeah, Mark, We've been starting our podcast
Speaker 1: with what we're geeking out about this week, So what
Speaker 1: are you seeking out about? Two things that have about.
Speaker 1: The first one is um the Terror colon Infanty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: on on AMC, which I didn't see the first season
Speaker 1: of Terror, but as I understand, it was a bunch
Speaker 1: of like, you know, British dudes on a ship in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, like locked in by ice and
Speaker 1: there's a monster whatever. This one is about like Japanese
Speaker 1: interment camps us after like you know, World War two
Speaker 1: kicks out, you just have to Pearl Harbor and it's
Speaker 1: all about like there's a ghost haunting these particular people
Speaker 1: in this particular time, in this particular place. And it
Speaker 1: is so culturally specific to what it was like to
Speaker 1: be a Japanese American when suddenly the country kind of
Speaker 1: turned against you and the specific so the specifically Japanese
Speaker 1: thing that's haunting them, you know. And so it's so
Speaker 1: like just rich and vibrant with texture and and the
Speaker 1: lived and feeling of this is what is haunting people
Speaker 1: who now can't escape from where they want to be.
Speaker 1: It's it's phenomenal. It's so good. The other thing is
Speaker 1: this reality show on Netflix called hyper Drive. Have you
Speaker 1: guys seen this? I've seen the ad. It is like
Speaker 1: like American and Ja Warrior, except it's with car okay,
Speaker 1: and also these people own these cars, right, so it's
Speaker 1: like so it's it's a bunch of like, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta go drifter on this track here, and you
Speaker 1: gotta like drive up and do a jump off this
Speaker 1: like lip giant cliff that's a balancing beam, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta go hit these cones whatever. Every other run
Speaker 1: is somebody destroying their own like forty dollar car and
Speaker 1: it's like brothers Lamb beginning to do this crash. And
Speaker 1: so it's both like the joy of watching really good
Speaker 1: drivers be very good on the road. It's fast and furious,
Speaker 1: and then watching like super entitled people wrap there like
Speaker 1: like prestige elite motor cars around telephone poles. That has
Speaker 1: to be such a liability though it totally is. That
Speaker 1: would terrify me that like every episode someone might die.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna like die die, are you sure?
Speaker 1: They're just going to kind of die and they're just
Speaker 1: gonna ruin their life. I mean, it's like Nascar because
Speaker 1: like somebody could die. They never do read but it's
Speaker 1: just like, oh that guy, he deserves it because they
Speaker 1: all because there's always like that camera interviews like my
Speaker 1: name is Billy, blah blah blah blah. Hello, my name
Speaker 1: is Finn. I'm from this gun to be whatever, and
Speaker 1: I've got my fancy God, I'm going to do this thing.
Speaker 1: I guess the douche bags are always the ones about
Speaker 1: themselves around trees. Yeah, and it's always like the you know,
Speaker 1: the the young drifter from Japan who's got his like
Speaker 1: his dad's dots and that he's tuned up. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win this thing, and he wins this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, so I'm here. I'm here for both
Speaker 1: of those shows. I'm very different locking into that. Well me,
Speaker 1: what I'm nerding out about is, uh yeah, I've talked
Speaker 1: about Juno before. He's a horror manga writer and artist,
Speaker 1: and they're actually adapting one of his books into an
Speaker 1: anime for adult Swim, which you know normally I just
Speaker 1: said how I don't like scary stuff, but I think
Speaker 1: Junji stuff is more creepy stuff, except for the Supermodel
Speaker 1: where that one is terrifying, but it's also funny and terrifying, um,
Speaker 1: which you know, if if you haven't Juno, one of
Speaker 1: his stories is this like model that this guy. He's
Speaker 1: going through this book, this guy and he sees this
Speaker 1: woman goes, oh, she's ugly. How is she a model?
Speaker 1: This is so creepy and she's like he keeps starts
Speaker 1: having nightmares of this woman and then he like throws
Speaker 1: the book the magazine away. He's like, oh, man, he's
Speaker 1: telling his friends about it. They don't believe him, and
Speaker 1: he uh, He's like, man, uh, I can't you know uh.
Speaker 1: And he's telling the friends and he's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: find the magazine and he can't find the magazine. It
Speaker 1: was like, no, for real. She was horrifying. But they're
Speaker 1: they're filmmakers, and so they're like they're looking for actresses
Speaker 1: for their movie and then the lady sends in her
Speaker 1: head shot and goes, that's that's her. That's the creepy woman.
Speaker 1: And then they're they were like, all right, then we'll
Speaker 1: just cast her, and he's like, no, don't cast her,
Speaker 1: and it's like and so they do cast her and
Speaker 1: it's really awkward, and um, they're driving out to the
Speaker 1: woods for this shot and like one of them makes
Speaker 1: a joke and like it's like shade towards her, but
Speaker 1: she doesn't get it, and she laughs, and when she laughs,
Speaker 1: she opens up her mouth and she has these huge
Speaker 1: giant teeth and they're like, yo, um did you see that?
Speaker 1: And no one else saw it but the guy. He's like,
Speaker 1: she has giant teeth. They're like, you need to calm down,
Speaker 1: and it's it's yeah, you just need to calm down,
Speaker 1: and they're like no, and so like obviously, since they
Speaker 1: like casted her for a gag, they're not really shooting her.
Speaker 1: They're focusing on this model that they're real excited about.
Speaker 1: And she's like, why haven't you taken a photo from me?
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, we're gonna get to you. We're
Speaker 1: just focusing on her. And then they're like and time
Speaker 1: passes and they have lunch and they'll go where is
Speaker 1: our lead actress? And a guy runs up covered in
Speaker 1: bloods a guy, yo, she's eating the lead actress. And
Speaker 1: they go to the woods and she has these giant
Speaker 1: teeth and she's she's like covered in blood and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: I guess you can focus on me now because you know,
Speaker 1: because she's gone, and she just chases them and murders
Speaker 1: them and it's like the only one of the very
Speaker 1: few like horror horror Junjieto stories, because normally it's just
Speaker 1: like more creepy, kind of Twilight Zone asque stories. But
Speaker 1: that was the first one that was like, this is
Speaker 1: terrifying funny, and so I'm excited for that coming to adults.
Speaker 1: So cool. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it's definitely. But then
Speaker 1: he also has a whole book dedicated to his cats,
Speaker 1: like Wholesome, and it sounds like a cat person to
Speaker 1: be honest, I love throwing shade whenever I can as
Speaker 1: a dog person. The thing I'm geeking out about is
Speaker 1: a book by Shelby Lorman. She if you follow her
Speaker 1: on Instagram, you would know her as the account Awards
Speaker 1: for Good Boys. If you don't, you need to. She
Speaker 1: has like three followers. I found her. She's so hilarious.
Speaker 1: The book is Awards for Good Boys, Tales of Dating,
Speaker 1: Double Standards and Doom. It's where she sarcastically gives awards
Speaker 1: uh to the most basic things that you should do
Speaker 1: in a relationship, like didn't man explain the you know
Speaker 1: first four van Halen vinyls. I just made that up.
Speaker 1: But she's great. She's super funny and like everyone I
Speaker 1: feel like in comedy follows her and it's awesome. So
Speaker 1: check out her book. I think it just dropped or
Speaker 1: else I'm just becoming aware of it. But also follow
Speaker 1: her on Instagram. She's hilarious. Mean to be fair, diver
Speaker 1: down is the best, really really the only reason I like.
Speaker 1: I am not you know, I didn't grow up in
Speaker 1: the eighties, and so I don't Why are you laughing?
Speaker 1: That's such a specific I didn't grow out, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not old. So people no, I feel people we
Speaker 1: don't cuss. I'm gonna say they poop on me. I'm
Speaker 1: not always knowing music from before my generation, but it's
Speaker 1: difficult to have to know the music of my generation,
Speaker 1: the music of the generation now, and the music of
Speaker 1: past generations when it's just not my thing. However, a
Speaker 1: very kind man I will say, he's a very nice
Speaker 1: person that I dated is obsessed with Van Halen and
Speaker 1: so I also named Mark, also named Yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: also named Mark. I didn't even say his name. Let's
Speaker 1: just name him. It's part of the curriculum. Just make
Speaker 1: all of us learn well. The thing about him. He's
Speaker 1: so I think like one of his comedy albums had
Speaker 1: a reference to it. But also we literally in our
Speaker 1: apartment had a frame picture of Eddie van Halen, and
Speaker 1: it was one of those things that he loved them
Speaker 1: so much that it makes you want to learn about
Speaker 1: them just because he was so you know, when someone
Speaker 1: is so passionate that it like oozes out and not
Speaker 1: like let me teach you about it way, but it's like,
Speaker 1: this thing gives me so much happiness now, I I
Speaker 1: feel that I tend to go the other way though,
Speaker 1: Like my wife is a nut for the grateful dead.
Speaker 1: I hate the grateful like with this crazy like burning
Speaker 1: white out heat of a thousand sons And she's like,
Speaker 1: you just gotta listen to an album, and I said no,
Speaker 1: because I don't want. I just don't know every time
Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding you. Any time that Jump would
Speaker 1: come on and he of course listens to everything, but
Speaker 1: like anytime that Jump would come on, he would get
Speaker 1: excited in the car and like, dude, you have listened
Speaker 1: to this song for thirty years, how is it still
Speaker 1: so exciting to you? And that is the power of
Speaker 1: Van Halen, for this man, very kind, nice man, and
Speaker 1: you can just that that's going some documentary. Man, I
Speaker 1: can have a day like whatever that day is, Man,
Speaker 1: it's the worst day ever had. You know what, Man,
Speaker 1: I turn on hotfer Teacher and everything's better suddenly, and
Speaker 1: it's making me the truest statement about him. Also, this
Speaker 1: is hilarious, and we'll and we'll move on. But I
Speaker 1: started doing cryotherapy while we were dating, and he wouldn't
Speaker 1: try it. But Eddie van Halen goes to my cryoplace,
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden that man was in there.
Speaker 1: And I also think Eddie was trying to undo the
Speaker 1: years of drugging. It doesn't work. It looks great. He,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, looks good. Um. But today we're talking
Speaker 1: about another man, another old white man. It looks pretty
Speaker 1: good for his age all things considered. Yes, today we
Speaker 1: are talking about the man the mystery, James Bond. James Bond. Um.
Speaker 1: So you know we're going to do the nitty gritty
Speaker 1: that I always start with. This is the first time
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty is very chunky, like usually, you know,
Speaker 1: the nitty gree We just take the kind of synopsis
Speaker 1: of the subject that kind of launches us into the discussion.
Speaker 1: But James Bond is it's a lot of gritty and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so Phil free to jump in. Commander James Bond cmg
Speaker 1: R n VR is a fictional character created by the
Speaker 1: British journalist and novelist Ian Fleming in ninety three. So
Speaker 1: I guess I was not aware that he was first
Speaker 1: in novels before the films. Yeah, now he was. He
Speaker 1: he wrote like Ian Fleming wrote like two or three
Speaker 1: books that he wrote. Um, I think Casino Royale and
Speaker 1: like On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Dr No in
Speaker 1: some version of that order, and and they were kind
Speaker 1: of like they didn't go anywhere, like they're just gonna
Speaker 1: hit the marketplace and they just kind of died. And
Speaker 1: then um it it became like I think it was
Speaker 1: John F. Kenny did an interview with Playboy magazine back
Speaker 1: in the day and John F. Kenny was like, my
Speaker 1: favorite books are James Bond books. And suddenly became, oh well,
Speaker 1: if President screws a Lot really likes these books, then
Speaker 1: there must be something going on in there. And then suddenly,
Speaker 1: like boom, they became best sellers. Mark, are you telling
Speaker 1: me that John F. Kennedy was the first influencer. I
Speaker 1: think so I think I think he tagged up like this,
Speaker 1: this is a paid post any of the original novel um.
Speaker 1: I read like five or six of them. Um, they're
Speaker 1: shorter than the movies. They are like crazy misogynist. I mean,
Speaker 1: like that's that is that is they're very much a
Speaker 1: product of their time in that like James Bond loved
Speaker 1: Jamaica because Ian Fleming loved Jamaica like he would like
Speaker 1: he would summer there or winter there or whenever he
Speaker 1: can go there. And so like reading like gold Finger,
Speaker 1: which is all set in Jamaica, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of oh yeah, I mean like sure
Speaker 1: like that we'll go to the Bahamas and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be different. But you know, it's just like it becomes
Speaker 1: he's got like a black buddy who's not really a buddy.
Speaker 1: He's more like a waiter slash show for a slash valet.
Speaker 1: And and every woman is kind of disposable, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it is, uh, bringing that to the modern
Speaker 1: era is a challenge, I think is the And and
Speaker 1: you see these James Bond movies as you go you
Speaker 1: go back and look at the Sean Connerys, and they
Speaker 1: still retain that vestige of of old school feelings about
Speaker 1: masculinity and femininity. And then you get to Daniel Craig
Speaker 1: and it's like, listen, you're gonna like have sex with
Speaker 1: a lady, but it's not going to be as unfortunate
Speaker 1: as it. Yeah, it seems like as it moved forward
Speaker 1: in time, it went from the Bond girls to the
Speaker 1: Bond girl, right, you know, I mean there would still
Speaker 1: be the like does he have to like sleep with
Speaker 1: like three women? Like? And there's always like the Bond
Speaker 1: girl who dies early to his you know, adventure. I'm
Speaker 1: really motivated now that now that I can't even remember
Speaker 1: who she was, but she's dead and now revenge must happen.
Speaker 1: And then there's like the good Bond Bond girl who
Speaker 1: manages to survive the adventure so that she can then
Speaker 1: sleep with James Bond before the closing credits. Ah, that's
Speaker 1: the way that goes, which is not enlightened. Yeah. Just
Speaker 1: a couple of things about Ian Fleming who created him. So,
Speaker 1: he was a naval intelligence officer and while working for
Speaker 1: Britain's Naval Intelligence Division during the Second World War, Fleming
Speaker 1: was involved in planning Operation Golden I so we can
Speaker 1: see where that came from. Also didn't know that the
Speaker 1: first Bond novel was Casino Royal, and that is actually
Speaker 1: my favorite Bond film. Really. Have you seen both versions
Speaker 1: of Casino Royal? Oh I didn't see the original? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: the original is weird because it was men with Daniel Craig.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, the original was like, there's James Bond
Speaker 1: is played by David Niven, I think, and then there's
Speaker 1: Jimmy Bond, who's played by Woody Allen. Oh boy, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this was the whole thing. I thought this was gonna be.
Speaker 1: When you said Jimmy Bond, I thought it was I
Speaker 1: thought this was like apa man. No, I thought this
Speaker 1: was an aquaman, an aqua. Lads, here's my boy, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Can you go get him jim Bond. Yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: it's not good. Okay. So Casino Royal dropped. The novel
Speaker 1: dropped April nineteen fifty three, So that was the first one.
Speaker 1: That was the first James Bond novel. Um and so
Speaker 1: Fleming ended up writing twelve Bond novels in two short
Speaker 1: story collections, his final two being The Man with the
Speaker 1: Golden Gun and came out in and octoples to see
Speaker 1: Still Wild name I had Still Still Wild and the
Speaker 1: Living Daylights that came out in nineteen sixty six. They
Speaker 1: they used to and I think they might still do.
Speaker 1: They would always have premiers of those movies in London
Speaker 1: and like Royal Albert Hall, and it was always a
Speaker 1: thing where like the Queen and the Prince would come
Speaker 1: to the screenings because it was a whole like it's
Speaker 1: it's the biggest character that that ever came out of Britain.
Speaker 1: You know. I think maybe Harry Potter might now be
Speaker 1: like number two when they might be fighting for number
Speaker 1: one at some point. But it was a national event
Speaker 1: when a Bond movie would come out. And so the
Speaker 1: in Goldfinger, they there's a character and gold Finger named
Speaker 1: pussy Galore and so and they were very concerned about
Speaker 1: whether or not they would like, can we put this
Speaker 1: movie out with this character in pussy Galore? And then
Speaker 1: when the Queen saw the movie and then went to
Speaker 1: like the Broccolis who produced these movies, really look good
Speaker 1: character pussy Galore, Like we got the Queen to say
Speaker 1: pussy Galore in and like Octopussy is the name that
Speaker 1: the Queen had to say, and I remember reading some
Speaker 1: interview with Daniel Craig being somewhat concerned that the Queen
Speaker 1: who would still go see Bond movies by the time
Speaker 1: you got to casino Royale is going to watch him
Speaker 1: get bashed in the nuts over and old held again.
Speaker 1: But the Queen's watched my bollocks smashed in. I remember
Speaker 1: that scene. Um, so I left to the left. Speaking
Speaker 1: of James Bond, can you talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: his his character? Um, I mean James Bond, Is he
Speaker 1: is a well also that name, sorry because that's not
Speaker 1: his name, right, Well, it kind of is, it kind
Speaker 1: of is. There's there's two theories. The theory is that
Speaker 1: like every every actor who comes in and place, James
Speaker 1: Bond is playing the same guy, right, Like it's Sean
Speaker 1: Connery and then it's it's George Lasenby, and then it's
Speaker 1: Roger Moore, and then it's um Pierce Brosen and then
Speaker 1: there was Timothy to be Dalton in there for a second.
Speaker 1: They're just playing the same character as it goes. Or
Speaker 1: there's the idea that James Bond is a code name,
Speaker 1: like James Bond is that that goes with the double
Speaker 1: O seven identity. Like there's there's nine agents who have
Speaker 1: a license to kill, of which Double O seven is
Speaker 1: James Bond is just one of them. And so every
Speaker 1: time James Bond dies, somebody else takes that identity and
Speaker 1: then moves on and does the things Revere doctor who
Speaker 1: in that way, Um, But James Bond is uh. He
Speaker 1: was an orphan. He was raised sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: in in in something feeling like luxury but not quite um.
Speaker 1: He joined the military young age, because that's kind of
Speaker 1: what at least in this world orphans do. Um rose
Speaker 1: up the ranks and then was sort of a blunt
Speaker 1: instrument like he He was never like the spyiest spy ever.
Speaker 1: He was never like I'm going to wear those awesome
Speaker 1: suit and infiltrate because I almost shoot a bunch of
Speaker 1: people and maybe punch him in the face a lot. Um.
Speaker 1: And so he gets recruited into the into the Special Service,
Speaker 1: which is the Double O Section, which there's one guy
Speaker 1: named m who kind of calls all the missions, and
Speaker 1: there's a guy in him Q who's his quartermaster and
Speaker 1: gives him all of his weapons and dud dads and whatever,
Speaker 1: and there was the the executive assistant who was always
Speaker 1: called secretary, name his Moneypenny, who would always be his
Speaker 1: sort of like in house flirtation lady. And and then
Speaker 1: he would he would always he would start on a
Speaker 1: mission that was kind of not really connected to anything.
Speaker 1: He would go and talk to m he get his
Speaker 1: big mission and then go off into the world and
Speaker 1: like globe Trot, which is a big part of what
Speaker 1: made those movies especially work because nobody got to travel
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies, like who's got money to
Speaker 1: go to Istanbul or Duchambay or Tokyo or Cairo or
Speaker 1: skiing in the Alps, And so those movies were vicarious
Speaker 1: thrills for people like I've never seen that place. What's Venice?
Speaker 1: Like James Bond went to Venice and now I kind
Speaker 1: of know. And so people would go to see those
Speaker 1: movies like Vacation in a weird, crazy way. I mean
Speaker 1: I feel that way now with the world, with the
Speaker 1: with millennials now, well, no, I feel like that is
Speaker 1: like the kind of like the core of a lot
Speaker 1: of art is like you know, we often talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the escapism of it, but also just the
Speaker 1: living vicariously Like I remember when I was a When
Speaker 1: I was a teen, the there was a game that
Speaker 1: was called True Crime Streets of l A and they
Speaker 1: had all the different l A streets and I didn't
Speaker 1: have my driver's license yet, so I would like drive
Speaker 1: around the streets, like not solving crimes and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: but just to imagine what it'll be like when I
Speaker 1: have my driver's license driving around l A. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I solved more crimes I r L than in the game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so so there's that that kind of beauty
Speaker 1: of art of just like seeing these you know, beautiful
Speaker 1: places and and experiencing them even though you can't physically
Speaker 1: experience them. Yeah, and like the Bond novels especially, and
Speaker 1: then the movie is sort of after the fashion were aspirational.
Speaker 1: I think to like a generation of men um for
Speaker 1: good and for ill, Like the good of it is
Speaker 1: like James Bond really like dressed well and he lived
Speaker 1: well and he liked good food, and like it's a weird,
Speaker 1: like Soamelier's Guide to Wine and stuff like those books
Speaker 1: are all like super refined and super defeat and super
Speaker 1: like you know, well you wouldn't have the fifty four
Speaker 1: Rothchild before a stake. My God, what kind of barbarian
Speaker 1: are you? It's like, dude, like you're a killer. But
Speaker 1: but and that's that's sort of how it helped tie
Speaker 1: into the Playboy because Playboy was also very much like,
Speaker 1: here's here's the guy that you kind of want to be, Like,
Speaker 1: here's how you should dress, here's the party you should
Speaker 1: go to, here's the music you should listen to. Here's
Speaker 1: the books you should read. Um, here's the women you
Speaker 1: should want to consort with. And James Bond fit right
Speaker 1: into there. It was like he he was the guy
Speaker 1: you wanted to be. Um. That changes over time, you know,
Speaker 1: and especially the as the more diverse a audience gets,
Speaker 1: the less they might want to just be that guy,
Speaker 1: you know. And and James Bond may or may not
Speaker 1: eventually change with those times, because there is no good
Speaker 1: reason why James Bond, if it's going to be played
Speaker 1: by a bunch of different actors, couldn't also be played
Speaker 1: by a person of color. And that's that's been the
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. And and I'll save that one because there's
Speaker 1: stuff about the new one that I definitely want to
Speaker 1: dig into. And yeah, and I definitely want your thoughts on.
Speaker 1: But when we come back, we're going to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the double O call sign and kind of
Speaker 1: what that means, and get all into that meeting stuff.
Speaker 1: See you in a bit and we're back. Okay. I
Speaker 1: have one quote that I wanted to say. It's exactly
Speaker 1: what you said about him being a blunt instrument. This
Speaker 1: is from Ian Fleming in The New Yorker from nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty two. He said, when I wrote the first one
Speaker 1: in ninety three, I wanted Bond to be an extremely dull,
Speaker 1: uninteresting man to whom things happen. I wanted him to
Speaker 1: be a blunt instrument. When I was casting around for
Speaker 1: a name for my protagonists, I thought, by god, James
Speaker 1: Bond is the dullest name I've ever heard. That funny
Speaker 1: because when you hear Bond, James Bond, it's like a
Speaker 1: man of mystery, and he's sexy debonair and it's just like,
Speaker 1: oh no, this like dull office worker. Yeah, like he
Speaker 1: I think that he was in his Jamaica estate, which
Speaker 1: is also named Golden Eye because of course it is
Speaker 1: um and he had a wall full of books, and
Speaker 1: one of them was a book on birds, like bird
Speaker 1: watching and stuff, written by a guy named James Bond,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh god, if that's not the
Speaker 1: most boring person and the most boring man for boring
Speaker 1: dude that's ever been here's my spy. Well, it transforms
Speaker 1: so much, it's so interesting that it was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: just this man that things happened to happen to him,
Speaker 1: to him being this force of nature essentially wrecking He's
Speaker 1: a wrecking ball in my opinion, very much so. And
Speaker 1: and like those movies and even the stories, there's the
Speaker 1: version of those that are very reactionary, right, because like
Speaker 1: James Bond is kind of like this global cop who
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna go right or wrong, but the wrong
Speaker 1: has to happen before he gets called off his game.
Speaker 1: So it's very much like we said, it's like, here's
Speaker 1: your mission, James, go do the thing. And then he
Speaker 1: goes and does the thing. But it would take a
Speaker 1: while before the movies began to make him proactive, before
Speaker 1: they gave him missions and drives and revenge and all
Speaker 1: that stuff that actually makes for here that you want
Speaker 1: to be tuning into over and over again, as opposed
Speaker 1: to just a guy waiting for like a case file
Speaker 1: to fall on his desk, fump, I guess I gotta
Speaker 1: go get that bad again, Jimmy fail. I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: and get you. I'm coming get you. So explain the
Speaker 1: double O seven the license to kill. That's the double
Speaker 1: oh part, right, double there's a whole section, like there's
Speaker 1: the Special Investigative Service, the s I S, which is
Speaker 1: also like m I five or m I six um,
Speaker 1: which are just like spies who do spy stuff in
Speaker 1: the UK. But of that section, and fictionally, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: there's the double O section, and I think the double
Speaker 1: O counts for each kill that you have to make
Speaker 1: to get into that section. And then there's only nine
Speaker 1: of those agents. There's no double O ten, but it's
Speaker 1: just double O one to double oh ni and there
Speaker 1: are the nine people who can kind of travel the
Speaker 1: world with impunity and just kill people, which seems like
Speaker 1: an odd thing to give a person, like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the test for that? Like my driver's license, I
Speaker 1: got that parallel park, I gotta do a three point turn,
Speaker 1: I gotta whatever, Like what's your double oh license test?
Speaker 1: And in the movie is that you've got to kill
Speaker 1: two people? Oh? Okay, so you can. It's like a
Speaker 1: gang initiation. So you kill two people and then you
Speaker 1: get to be and then you get inducted into the
Speaker 1: it's the two people that like m or whatever has
Speaker 1: assigned you to kill, right, yeah, like Casino Royale. I
Speaker 1: think the good one opens with that with him, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of like stalking some dude in his office building,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a whole conversations like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't be you haven't had your two kills yet,
Speaker 1: and he talks about like the first one, and then
Speaker 1: he then you flash back to and beat up that
Speaker 1: guy in the men's room, and then there I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what about your second. You'll you'll find your second to
Speaker 1: be like a lot easier. And then he shoots him
Speaker 1: in the head and he's like considerably And so now
Speaker 1: he's officially like we're rebooting James Bond and he's just
Speaker 1: got into the service and he's doing his thing. Is
Speaker 1: that the first of the Daniel Craig Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's how they sort of reset it by like
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning, like day one on the job.
Speaker 1: This is what James Bond. How does that work with
Speaker 1: the rest of the U N Like, how does that
Speaker 1: work with American like we're just all okay, like, oh
Speaker 1: that no, he's allowed to kill, so totally fine. Noo
Speaker 1: coo coo cool he just like that guys, Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but I asked the wrong question, like how
Speaker 1: is that? But what about America? They care? Don't Americans
Speaker 1: care about killing? Um? Hilarious? L O L. I think
Speaker 1: they must have some kind of like back channel, Like listen,
Speaker 1: if he did it, he had to do it for
Speaker 1: a good reason, and it's you know, foreign intelligence, world allies,
Speaker 1: and that's cool. And if he goes bad people, they're
Speaker 1: bad people and that's fine. You're killing the good people. Yeah, please,
Speaker 1: that'd be great. One other thing before we hop over
Speaker 1: talking about his character. So in Fleming stories and in
Speaker 1: the films, James Bond is in his mid to late
Speaker 1: thirties but doesn't age. I think that's really cool. It
Speaker 1: is kind of cool. I mean, it's if we can
Speaker 1: live for what is enough thirty three years, where like
Speaker 1: Bart Simpson is still in fifth grade. Yeah. Well, Daniel Craig,
Speaker 1: he seemed like he was in his forties, like some
Speaker 1: of them have have at least I would say for
Speaker 1: like energy they have like that. But what am I
Speaker 1: trying to say that old man strength? No not, they
Speaker 1: have that like season. You know when Steve Carrell came
Speaker 1: out this year and he had the gray hairs coming
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, whoa, they looked at him differently. That's
Speaker 1: what I mean about them. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: like the Bonds usually when they begin, they're sort of
Speaker 1: young and vibrant and like, oh, look at that guy,
Speaker 1: he's awesome, and then over time, like Sean Connery did
Speaker 1: seven of them, and by the last one, like the
Speaker 1: two pay is not holding that tight anymore than like this,
Speaker 1: the there's a big cumber bund on his tuxedos to
Speaker 1: like cover up that mid section, which is tight as
Speaker 1: it was when he was like third place for Mr. Universe.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, um, I mean age age is always a
Speaker 1: problem with things like this, you know, same thing like Batman,
Speaker 1: Like you can't have maybe not so true, you can
Speaker 1: have Michael Keaton playing Batman and he was always like
Speaker 1: forty two years old even when he wasn't. But like,
Speaker 1: you need somebody who looks like they can get the
Speaker 1: job done right. You need somebody who looks like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I buy that this James Bond can actually like punch
Speaker 1: everybody in the face and can actually take on dudes
Speaker 1: with steel jaws and like you know, crazy Japanese suma
Speaker 1: wrestler dudes. And when he stops looking like that, they
Speaker 1: start to get silly, you know. And so many of
Speaker 1: the Roger Moore movies or like him and leisure suits
Speaker 1: traveling the world like beating up on other old dudes.
Speaker 1: And I guess, like, what, this isn't what I signed
Speaker 1: up for, beating up Christopher Lee, Like this is a
Speaker 1: two senior citizen just slapping each other in the face
Speaker 1: a lot, Like that's not worth my eight dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of this conversation are leading me into all these
Speaker 1: like fun ideas and questions that I want to save
Speaker 1: towards the end because they're all about cool things that
Speaker 1: we think could happen fair enough. But like for me anyway,
Speaker 1: like I was always a comic book reader and uh
Speaker 1: and and the second best part about comic books are
Speaker 1: the bad guys and the various version of the bad guys,
Speaker 1: especially Batman's Rose Gallery and like Spider Man's Rose Gallery,
Speaker 1: and look at the various ways these characters can reflect
Speaker 1: upon your hero and the James Bond Rose Gallery is
Speaker 1: just daffy. He's like that guy loves gold. Okay, sure,
Speaker 1: what about that guy? He wants to go to the moon.
Speaker 1: Where's octopusy want? Unclear? She has eight cats. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's happening here at all. Do you have a favorite? Um?
Speaker 1: My favorite? My favorite Bond villain is in the Bond
Speaker 1: Movie with the Worst James Bond the Worst. The Worst
Speaker 1: Bond Movie is On Her Majesty's Secret Service, which is
Speaker 1: when Sean Connery decided, I don't want to do this anymore,
Speaker 1: screw you guys, I'm going home, and they and George
Speaker 1: lason By who was like an Australian model who could
Speaker 1: not act at all. But the bad guy was Telly Savalas,
Speaker 1: and Telly Savalas was living it like his his Blowfeld
Speaker 1: was like Mountaintop Chalet and like Turtlenecks in The Bald Head.
Speaker 1: And he was freaking kojacked as a bad guy. And
Speaker 1: like as a movie, it's great as a Bond, he's awful. Um,
Speaker 1: But like that's the movie in which you know James
Speaker 1: Bond falls in love, like for real love and gets married.
Speaker 1: By the time that movies he marries Diana Rigg at
Speaker 1: the end of that movie and then like Blowfeld kills
Speaker 1: her and it's super tragic, and that should motivate a
Speaker 1: guy to do a bunch of handle. It's a ton
Speaker 1: of fridging. Um. But like it was the rare Bond
Speaker 1: movie that gave him actual like forward motion. Right, we're
Speaker 1: moving the character along, We're changing this guy who otherwise
Speaker 1: feels like a sitcom character. Um. And then they kind
Speaker 1: of reversed it all in the next movie. He's back
Speaker 1: to being that guy again, and it's all good. It's fine,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he gave us a taste and we tasted
Speaker 1: a yeah, you know, and every now and again they
Speaker 1: will they will sort of like nudge back into that world.
Speaker 1: I think Skyfall kind of try to drag some of
Speaker 1: that past stuff forward and like no James sponsor real
Speaker 1: guy and he's had decades of history and here's here's
Speaker 1: the the Aston Martin from Goldfinger and his garage and
Speaker 1: here's then we're going to his answer stral home and
Speaker 1: seeing his parents graves and we're we're pretending like this
Speaker 1: is all real and all this tonnage would land on
Speaker 1: a guy in a real way. Speaking of Sean Connery.
Speaker 1: So he was the first actor to put portray Bond
Speaker 1: in a film. It was Doctor No. Nineteen six two.
Speaker 1: I've never seen that one. Do you recommend? Uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a thing because like, there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of you will recognize a lot of elements from that
Speaker 1: movie because they've been in so many other movies. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like there's the henchman guy, and here's the little
Speaker 1: theme song, and here's you know, the girl with the
Speaker 1: awesome bikini rises out of the water, because we're gonna
Speaker 1: do that stuff. Um Like, so much of how we
Speaker 1: began to understand sort of action film kind of began
Speaker 1: in that movie, especially espionage movies. It's super dated and
Speaker 1: it's super problematic, and you know, in the kinds of
Speaker 1: ways that things are when you look back at a
Speaker 1: fifty year old movie with something resembing perspective, you're like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: you've never met a black person, have any of you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like pigeon English stuff like, oh, mister bod
Speaker 1: let me get you in the boat. Yeah, that's cool,
Speaker 1: But James Bond drinks red stripe in that and so like,
Speaker 1: and so I'd be like that was my like red
Speaker 1: stripe phase. He was like, that's Bonds beer beer, Gonna
Speaker 1: drink Bonds beer. Oh yeah. I had a huge red
Speaker 1: stripe phase for some reason. Everyone I knew was real
Speaker 1: in a red stripe. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is this is the road we're going down. Just
Speaker 1: a note of moving off of Sean Connery is that
Speaker 1: he was an amateur bodybuilder. Yeah. Yeah, when he said Mr. Universe,
Speaker 1: I went to look it up because that's a fact
Speaker 1: I did not uh and yeah he was swelped up.
Speaker 1: I mean, but also like swelt for, which is not
Speaker 1: very It's so funny because there is like, uh, in bodybuilding,
Speaker 1: they have this other uh category now called classic bodybuilder.
Speaker 1: So it's like, so you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: Kai green super human built, you can be that kind
Speaker 1: of classic still normal muscles, not as roided out look.
Speaker 1: And I was like because because someone, because someone was
Speaker 1: like you should do bodybuilding. I was like, one, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not trying to look like that. They're like, no,
Speaker 1: you should try the classic lane. And that's when I
Speaker 1: found out about like that. They went like all the
Speaker 1: way to like crystal PEPSI no, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: got throttled back classic like actual muscle musclitcher and like
Speaker 1: he can fit into a suit off the rack. Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So usually a lot of times the villains are the
Speaker 1: title character, right, you have octopusy, the Doctor, No Goldfinger,
Speaker 1: Goldfinger yeah to a point, like the Man with the
Speaker 1: Golden Gun. Eventually they just started like making up names
Speaker 1: with like words that sounded good together, little Die another
Speaker 1: day with so tomorrow Tomorrow never dies. Oh okay, yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: license to kill No, it's she said his wallet, Like
Speaker 1: that's it. Like these things like stopped having this crazy
Speaker 1: awesome residents but um but yeah, like they were always
Speaker 1: somewhat cartoonish in like an outlandish kind of way. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, well there's gold thing who really likes gold,
Speaker 1: and so everything he has is made of gold and
Speaker 1: that's untenable. But sure, so that's what gold Member was
Speaker 1: making fun of very much. So, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: Austin Powers was always living in this world of kind
Speaker 1: of like like this James Bond the Saint kind of
Speaker 1: like we're gonna make fun of all of this like
Speaker 1: swinging sixties stuff. But then gold Member was just straight
Speaker 1: up like we're doing a Bond movie. Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: even pretend anymore, Like Beyonce is going to play And
Speaker 1: they would always kind of like not just problem actually
Speaker 1: play with like race, but also like women in race,
Speaker 1: and were just like I hear give me the two
Speaker 1: Bongos's Babby and Thumper, and like Thumper is going to
Speaker 1: be like this black girl but like poofy, like you know,
Speaker 1: the puffy afro puffs. And then like my Thumper is
Speaker 1: gonna be like a sweetest blonde and like that's just
Speaker 1: what they do. So Bamby and Thumper and what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, man, Like, couldn't you just have a name
Speaker 1: plenty o'tool? That is not a name of somebody names
Speaker 1: it child. No, we're going to get an email from
Speaker 1: Plenty Like excuse me, listen. I come from a very
Speaker 1: wrong line of plenty. My father was a plenty. I'm
Speaker 1: a plenty. My son is a plenty. Did you read
Speaker 1: any of the comics or collect any of the comics
Speaker 1: of James Bond comics? I never did. I never did.
Speaker 1: And it part of it, I think was because you
Speaker 1: either have the novels which were like super pulpy, or
Speaker 1: you had the movies which were movies and We're awesome,
Speaker 1: and the comic books always felt like this weird half
Speaker 1: step between them. It's like, I'm not gonna get what
Speaker 1: I want out of this because like marvelous but in
Speaker 1: these comics out and I'm sure it's a good idea,
Speaker 1: but the things that I respond to in a Bond
Speaker 1: film as like a fourteen year old boy, are not
Speaker 1: showing up. True. Speaking of things for fourteen year old boys,
Speaker 1: there was there was actually the first Bond video game, UM,
Speaker 1: which was developed by the Parker Brothers and was released
Speaker 1: for Atari. However, that is not the one that comes
Speaker 1: to mind for all of us. It's seven first person
Speaker 1: shooter video game Golden Eye. Because if he's about to
Speaker 1: wax poet Golden I it's so funny because I have
Speaker 1: never seen a single James Bond film Wow, but I
Speaker 1: have played many a Golden Eye. And Golden Eye is
Speaker 1: special in the sense that it had it normalized first
Speaker 1: person shooters. It changed the game literally, uh, and so
Speaker 1: you know, it got people well aware of of crappy
Speaker 1: hit boxes with odd job. If you chose odd job,
Speaker 1: you were a horrible human being. And so like everything
Speaker 1: about Golden Eye is so fun and they recently did
Speaker 1: a source remaster for PC, so you can grab that
Speaker 1: if you're on the PC Master Race. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's super. It was fun, and what kind of sucked
Speaker 1: was it was so good, so nostalgic that a Bond
Speaker 1: game never was able to survive around there. I think
Speaker 1: there was like was it a die? It was either
Speaker 1: die another day or um, what is the one that
Speaker 1: came out for PS two or PS one Night Fire?
Speaker 1: Night Fire? That's what it's saying. James Bond double O
Speaker 1: seven Night Fire for PS two. Okay, I think that's
Speaker 1: what it was. Then it was it was not great.
Speaker 1: I just remember that Golden Eye was the first party
Speaker 1: game I've ever really played. It was, you know, like
Speaker 1: it was. It was a game where some they had
Speaker 1: an N sixty four. You go over and always be
Speaker 1: like five or six people in that house and for
Speaker 1: them would be playing Golden at any given time, and
Speaker 1: there was and it was It became a social event
Speaker 1: in a way that video games hadn't been for me
Speaker 1: and before. And there was always like it. And the
Speaker 1: screen was divided into those four boxes, right, and so
Speaker 1: four people were playing at once. I'm on a giant
Speaker 1: screen there's always one screen where some person could not
Speaker 1: figure out how to focus, Like just look straight ahead, Man,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Yeah, that was that was next level.
Speaker 1: And you know, just talking about Golden Night, it's crazy
Speaker 1: to think that in sixty four launched two of the
Speaker 1: biggest like multiplayer party games. Uh not counting Mario Party,
Speaker 1: but you have Smash Bros. And you have Golden Ye.
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy to know that all that came from
Speaker 1: the n sixty four totally. I am curious because as
Speaker 1: we're going over these, uh, the actors that have played
Speaker 1: James Bond. To me, Pierce Brosnan was my James Bond
Speaker 1: because he was who I was first introduced to and
Speaker 1: who I grew up with until Daniel Craig came in
Speaker 1: a picture. Who do you consider your James Bond? Um?
Speaker 1: The first Bond movie I ever saw was Never Say
Speaker 1: Never Again. Um, So Sean Connery is my Bond. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I've seen more Roger Moore James Bond movies,
Speaker 1: never seen anybody else. And that was more contemporary for me,
Speaker 1: Like I was a kid of the eighties and he
Speaker 1: was he was a late seventies into like eighty five
Speaker 1: eighties six, I think, but it's kind of always going
Speaker 1: to be Sean Connery for me, and even like never
Speaker 1: was it Never Again is when he's the old Bond,
Speaker 1: he's winning like to pay Bond, like it's just and
Speaker 1: it's a remake of another Bond movie because like MGM
Speaker 1: has the like the lock on James Bond movies and
Speaker 1: I have for since the very beginning. But there was
Speaker 1: some weird dispute with the screenwriter of Thunderball and he
Speaker 1: claimed some rights to it, and so that's the one
Speaker 1: movie that if any other company wants to make, they
Speaker 1: can remake Thunderball. And so it was Thunderball and then
Speaker 1: Never Seen Ever Again, which is just a remake of
Speaker 1: Thunderball again. Um. And so I remember that that was
Speaker 1: a summer and I was a bad boy at school
Speaker 1: and it was just coming out on HBO, and like
Speaker 1: I had forged my report card, like I like the
Speaker 1: kind of forgery that in junior high school you're really
Speaker 1: really good at. So I was like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make these f s a's because nobody will notice that,
Speaker 1: and these ds are gonna be bees because that totally works.
Speaker 1: And uh, And I had told my parents like at
Speaker 1: length that I really wanted to see this movie movie.
Speaker 1: And then when I they caught me in my master forgery,
Speaker 1: they were like, you can't do anything for a summer.
Speaker 1: So you know Caribbean parents, that's how that goes. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So so from like June through September, I was locked
Speaker 1: in my room. But then like once once I got paroled,
Speaker 1: like my dad had videotaped never Say Never again for me,
Speaker 1: Like that was his present for me as I completed
Speaker 1: my my rounds in in the Big House. And I
Speaker 1: remember watching that movie and loving it to death even
Speaker 1: though it's not great, um, but it didn't matter because
Speaker 1: like this was this was the price. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: your freedom for this is my freedom for like I'm
Speaker 1: free given. It's funny talking about like your James Bonds
Speaker 1: and stuff like that because you know Danny, you say,
Speaker 1: Daniel Craig was yours, but when he was, But my
Speaker 1: favorite Bond movie is Casino. Because the Internet was not
Speaker 1: happy with Daniel Craig during productions, they had a website
Speaker 1: called Daniel Craig is not Bond dot Com to express
Speaker 1: their satisfaction. Just in case you think they release The
Speaker 1: Snyder Cut Crew is a new thing. We've been wild
Speaker 1: nerds have been wilding on the internet for the history
Speaker 1: that was very Yes, that was a huge thing, and
Speaker 1: it was blonde and he had these weird big ears.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was because he didn't have the same debonair,
Speaker 1: you know, his what am I trying to like small
Speaker 1: features that like right before him Pierce had, you know,
Speaker 1: Like but it's also funny because you're going based off
Speaker 1: of just a portrayal of a book, which like, at least,
Speaker 1: you know, in comic books, it's like I'm seeing something,
Speaker 1: but in a book, it's like like when it was
Speaker 1: a big thing with rubing black, you know, and lots
Speaker 1: of times it's real funny to see how like just
Speaker 1: accurately described black features and books always seem to be
Speaker 1: just skipped over by white people when they read it,
Speaker 1: where it's like oh, curly, oh it must be a ginger,
Speaker 1: you know, he's yeah. Yeah, it's always like wild to see, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just the way people are just conditioned to whitewash.
Speaker 1: But it's even crazier when it's like, yeah, no, just
Speaker 1: a white dude on paper could be a white dude
Speaker 1: on screen. But just we've grown so accustomed that they
Speaker 1: were so mad and then now you know, people are like,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be it. And it's funny because that
Speaker 1: reminds me of because people are so quick to forget
Speaker 1: on the internet because now Heath Ledger is everyone's favorite joker,
Speaker 1: but when your boy was announced, people were mad Matt
Speaker 1: uh with a you know, a little not as much
Speaker 1: as him because now they've kind of learned a little.
Speaker 1: But Robert Pattinson, yeah, you know, people have Batman. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: it's funny because like it just got went to show
Speaker 1: you people who don't watch movies outside of comic book movies.
Speaker 1: When they're like, he's not a good act I was like,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen anything besides Twilight. He gives off Hella
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne vibes. We have to take a really quick break.
Speaker 1: We're going to hop back into the future of James
Speaker 1: Bond right after this and we're back. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to show you all this picture. So this is what
Speaker 1: James Bond looks like to Ian Fleming not not really
Speaker 1: far off in my opinion from some of the like
Speaker 1: Sean Connery ish not. Also, he looks like Alfred the Butler.
Speaker 1: He also looks like that weird guy from the first
Speaker 1: Charlie Angels movie, you remember, the one who was smelling
Speaker 1: Crisp Glover. Yes, how could I forget? Kind of just
Speaker 1: the McFly. Yes, this is interesting. This is like the
Speaker 1: interpretation of what Yeah, Ian Flint thinks that James Bond.
Speaker 1: Not quite in my opinion, So what we're looking at,
Speaker 1: well we'll tweet this out, but um, not quite. He
Speaker 1: looks more like a librarian totally. But that's what it was,
Speaker 1: an ordinary man. She's like a chimney sweep. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: now it's the fun to talk about the future of
Speaker 1: James Bond and I. And then there's lots of fun
Speaker 1: things that we talked about in the past that you've
Speaker 1: kind of educated me on, and that begs so many
Speaker 1: fun questions. First off, and foremost, you know, the big
Speaker 1: news that have come out from the new James Bond
Speaker 1: movie is that there's a let me get this correctly,
Speaker 1: there's a new double oh seven, Yes, and she is
Speaker 1: going to be a black woman. Uh So, do do
Speaker 1: we feel this confirms the the well, because she's not
Speaker 1: going as Bond, even though some headlines have tried to
Speaker 1: push it as but she's going as the new double
Speaker 1: oh seven. Uh, personally, I'm still with the cynic brain,
Speaker 1: which I think is she's going to start get murdered
Speaker 1: and then Bonds like I have to avenge this, this
Speaker 1: death you mean like use this black lady is ammunition
Speaker 1: for him to go No, probably not. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like every little bit of progress is progress. And actually,
Speaker 1: like I know we're gonna make Monty Penny. I'm going
Speaker 1: to promote her and make her a double O seven
Speaker 1: because she's proved capable and she's ready to roll. And
Speaker 1: James Bond is retired and we're gonna pull him back
Speaker 1: into action by X number of reasons. But you know
Speaker 1: it's there is no reason even if it's James Bond.
Speaker 1: Like James Bond, yes, and Flement created him as a
Speaker 1: white guy, um, but there's nothing about him that requires
Speaker 1: him to be white, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's unlike Bruce Wayne. For me, for my money,
Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne needs to be a white guy who interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think as Bruce Wayne as the inheritor of
Speaker 1: the Wayne fortune, as as the last line of the
Speaker 1: people who built Gotham City. Like you're looking at Carnegies
Speaker 1: and Rockefellers and that kind of thing. It needs to
Speaker 1: be old money, and there is no old black money,
Speaker 1: you know, at least not in that way. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no generational guilt and responsibility for a city the
Speaker 1: way you get if you're you know, Nelson Rockefeller's kid.
Speaker 1: And so for Bruce Wayne to be that child who
Speaker 1: decides to like my parents had become like my My
Speaker 1: father was the first one to break from the family
Speaker 1: business become a doctor. My mother was all about charity.
Speaker 1: And then they get killed and I am now the
Speaker 1: last son of the Waynes in the city that my
Speaker 1: family built and they and they died because of this city,
Speaker 1: and I'm a little bit crazy. I'm going to put
Speaker 1: out a mask and punch people, you know, like that
Speaker 1: kind of requires a certain level of Caucasity. I think
Speaker 1: the thing about it is that they're okay with him
Speaker 1: punching out people. He makes along into his own hands,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that a black person would be
Speaker 1: able to do that and get away with it. And
Speaker 1: they're also fair, that would be it. But like James Bond,
Speaker 1: what it requires is an orphan who joins the military,
Speaker 1: who proves very adept at a very certain kind of
Speaker 1: he's got a very particular set of skills, you know,
Speaker 1: and like that doesn't require him being white, like he
Speaker 1: could as easily be a Pakistani guy who a Pakistani
Speaker 1: Londoner who moved there, or a Nigerian Britain or whatever.
Speaker 1: You just got to be an orphan, and there is
Speaker 1: no there's no saying who gets to be an orphan
Speaker 1: like Spider Man, Like listen, you're going to be from
Speaker 1: a broken home in Queens, Like you're probably not white
Speaker 1: like all the things you could be. It's probably not
Speaker 1: that you know, so like it is, it is kind
Speaker 1: of high time that this franchise begins to push in
Speaker 1: a way that reflects the times, because all of those
Speaker 1: movies did, Like that's the it's really interesting looking at
Speaker 1: those movies decade by decade, what they're talking about, what
Speaker 1: who the bad guys are, what the bad guy plans are.
Speaker 1: They seem to be a mirror of the times that
Speaker 1: you're living in. Like Moonrakers and like the late seventies
Speaker 1: early eighties we're all about star Wars and now James
Speaker 1: Bond goes to space, you know, and then you're like
Speaker 1: go go business nineties and like you know, Wall Street
Speaker 1: and eighties and all that stuff, and now James Bond
Speaker 1: is up against like corporate tycoons, and like, here's the
Speaker 1: guy who's got like micro chip plans, because of course
Speaker 1: that's Christopher walking like I got a micro chip. Like
Speaker 1: he's all about a reflection of the time that he's
Speaker 1: in and in our time right now. Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel as if that character is actually some like weird
Speaker 1: like hold over to the old like British Empire. Like
Speaker 1: he's probably an immigrant. He's probably a guy who loves
Speaker 1: the UK the way only an immigrant loves the country
Speaker 1: they adopt and will do anything for that country, you know,
Speaker 1: Like he will lay it all on the line for
Speaker 1: these people who took him in and gave him a
Speaker 1: home and gave him a place and gave him a purpose.
Speaker 1: Like just find the new story in the old framework.
Speaker 1: I mean, you should just clip this and give it
Speaker 1: to your manager. That's your picture right there. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there was such an uproar and it was
Speaker 1: just like I remember I tweeted, and it's James Bond
Speaker 1: is still currently being played by a white guy. Daniel
Speaker 1: Craig is returning. Um, and we do have uh, but
Speaker 1: it's double oh seven, which when they die, that number
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not it doesn't not like a jersey that
Speaker 1: gets retired. Nine. We only have nine now, is the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, a woman can be put it up in
Speaker 1: the Manchester United Stadium, have it hanging. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: here's my other question I had about the future. Uh.
Speaker 1: And just based on this last discussion, I'm excited to hear.
Speaker 1: Uh what what would you do you think the James
Speaker 1: Bond because we talked about him being the same age
Speaker 1: and usually the actor aging. Do you think James Bond
Speaker 1: should get like a logan treatment, like an old man
Speaker 1: James Bond. Do you think that's an interesting story? That's
Speaker 1: something YEA, give me the last James Bond story, like,
Speaker 1: you know what is what does that look like? I
Speaker 1: remember there was there was a theory or maybe it's
Speaker 1: a room or maybe it's a fact. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Um where in Skyfall, the second to last, the second
Speaker 1: most recent James Bond movie, there's a character when James
Speaker 1: Bond goes back to the ancestral Bond manner and and
Speaker 1: Albert Finney is like this guy kind of banging around
Speaker 1: that mansion. They wanted that to be Sean Connery, and
Speaker 1: they wanted that to be like the retirement home for
Speaker 1: old James Bonds, you know, but they couldn't get Connery
Speaker 1: for whatever reason I don't understand. But that idea of
Speaker 1: here's a here's a world in which we feel like
Speaker 1: we've moved past the need for this kind of espionage,
Speaker 1: right like you're in the information area you're in, They're like,
Speaker 1: it's all corporate, it's all cyber terrorism, it's all cyber's warfare.
Speaker 1: Like what what would we need a James Bond for?
Speaker 1: And then something happens where we need to literally go
Speaker 1: back and get like the sixty four year old like
Speaker 1: the Liam Neeson aged but like less racist James Bond
Speaker 1: to go out and do the thing that he does
Speaker 1: better and and nobody else is trained to do that
Speaker 1: any Yeah, like that sometimes you need a dinosaur, like
Speaker 1: sometimes you dig a hole with a shovel. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: like he was the guy that you need to get
Speaker 1: to do this thing like I would all day with
Speaker 1: that stone. Yeah. No, I'm sold on now. I ain't
Speaker 1: even seen one new. It was so funny because when
Speaker 1: when you said immigrant, I was like, oh, and I
Speaker 1: pitched this. We just talked about Sherlock Holmes last so
Speaker 1: when you were saying famous, uh British, that was another
Speaker 1: one that popped as far as like Harry Potter, another
Speaker 1: one being just as famous as Sherlock Holmes. The so
Speaker 1: I pitched that the new Sherlock could have been Rammi Malick.
Speaker 1: And I also feel that way about James vond He's
Speaker 1: the bad guy. Hit me. I know he's the bad
Speaker 1: guy in the new one, and he definitely get He
Speaker 1: could give off good and bad vibes. I feel good
Speaker 1: and bad vibes. He's a versatile actor. The new one,
Speaker 1: No Time to Die, is dropping April eight um. It's
Speaker 1: directed by Ry Fukanaga, and that he co wrote with
Speaker 1: Scott z Burns and Phoebe waller Bridge herself. Indeed, which
Speaker 1: like that that in and of itself between Karian and
Speaker 1: Phoebe waller Bridge. I'm more excited for this Bond movie
Speaker 1: than I've been for a while, because you know, you
Speaker 1: can eat as I think you find with like sort
Speaker 1: of Black Panther is a different Marvel movie than every
Speaker 1: other Marvel movie because the perspective of the people who
Speaker 1: get to tell that movie, like Patty Jenkins is Wonder Woman.
Speaker 1: It's a different superhero movie than every other DC superhero
Speaker 1: movie because the lens through which you're telling that story
Speaker 1: is different. And so to look at this now fifty
Speaker 1: year old franchise and look at it through a lens
Speaker 1: through which we've never seen it before, because every other
Speaker 1: director of a Bond movie has been a white British dude.
Speaker 1: And so now you get a sort of you know,
Speaker 1: multi racial, you know, like American with a crazy eye,
Speaker 1: and it's a crazy flair for this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And then you get a script that's the that's co
Speaker 1: written by one of these smartest women on the planet,
Speaker 1: Like what does what does a James Bond movie from
Speaker 1: those people look like? You know, what does it keep?
Speaker 1: What does it retain? And how does it innovate and
Speaker 1: how does it propel the story forward in a in
Speaker 1: a way that we've never seen before to an audience
Speaker 1: that might not have responded to Bond before this, you know,
Speaker 1: because it is it's an archaic idea, you know, it
Speaker 1: is something of it, of its own cinematic dinosaur. And
Speaker 1: to to find a way to put a fresh coat
Speaker 1: of paint on it, and to and to roll it
Speaker 1: off the assembly line looking like something brand new while
Speaker 1: still feeling like something old. I'm all here for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we have Lashawna Lynch. She will be playing double
Speaker 1: O seven. You will have recognized her from a bunch
Speaker 1: of things, but most recently Captain Marvel. Cannot wait. Cannot wait,
Speaker 1: I mean, And it's like even even if you've been
Speaker 1: burned before, and you know Bond has burned before, it's
Speaker 1: clearly it retains it's its capacity to be like what
Speaker 1: was that all about? You know? There are enough pieces
Speaker 1: to it. You know, it's like it's like I if
Speaker 1: you look at at at a car manufacturer that's been
Speaker 1: making cars forever, like you know, BMW, Mercedes or whatever.
Speaker 1: If you look at like a modern day Mercedes and
Speaker 1: then a Mercedes from fifty years ago, they look like cousins.
Speaker 1: You know, like there's enough elements to it. There's enough
Speaker 1: kind of curves and the bodylines all kind of work
Speaker 1: the same. But you've now brought it into You've innovated,
Speaker 1: and you've put all kinds of bells and whistles on it,
Speaker 1: but it's still that car. And if you can do
Speaker 1: that with James Bond and like you know what, Like
Speaker 1: this was a Rolls Royce from like Night, but like
Speaker 1: look at a Rolls Royce today, Like you can still
Speaker 1: kind of tell this faster and it's leaner and it
Speaker 1: does things better, but it's still it's still a Bond movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like give me that travelogue. Gave me that hero
Speaker 1: who does the impossible when nobody else could pull it off.
Speaker 1: Like give me these women who now have agency in
Speaker 1: a way they've never had before. And give me, you know,
Speaker 1: gadgets I've never seen, like just push it, like make it,
Speaker 1: make it. I would love it if Lashawna is just
Speaker 1: sleeping with men and like okay, it's it's eight am.
Speaker 1: Are you still here? You know, my driver take you?
Speaker 1: And I would love it if she had the bags,
Speaker 1: just like okay, here's a key chain. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't want to see that. I want to see that movie.
Speaker 1: She like a double O seven like lapel pin ye
Speaker 1: like he've been had. Yeah, you, is there anything that
Speaker 1: we missed that you wanted to talk about? I think
Speaker 1: you know that they're they were like sort of three
Speaker 1: giant like lures to those movies. Right, there's the travelog
Speaker 1: aspect of it. There's the lifestyle aspect of it. But
Speaker 1: then there was the gadget stuff, you know, like it.
Speaker 1: It always felt like a James Bond movie was like
Speaker 1: sharper image catalog of like what cool thing am I
Speaker 1: never gonna be able to get my hands on that
Speaker 1: may or may not exist, but it's like totally crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do I want like a sports car that turns into submarine? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do? When am I gonna I live in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna have a reason for a submarine, but
Speaker 1: I want one. You know. I think that that's sort
Speaker 1: of the science fiction of it, be like this stuff
Speaker 1: doesn't exist yet, but maybe some day that it will.
Speaker 1: I'm like there was there was just this the cool
Speaker 1: factor of those movies and the cars and this close
Speaker 1: and like it was. It was like consumer paradise for
Speaker 1: stuff that you could never possibly afford and uh and
Speaker 1: there's something aspirational about that that I was responded to.
Speaker 1: All Right, well, you know, where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Let's see on the twitters at Mark Bernardon, on the
Speaker 1: Instagram at Mark Bernardon. Television show that I wrote for
Speaker 1: called tread Stone Um will premiere on October. Tune in
Speaker 1: tune in UM and I think I only took that
Speaker 1: job because again it's globetrotting spy stuff. Really, you mean
Speaker 1: we get to do that and it's like punching people
Speaker 1: in the next a lot. Yes, are the gadgets, yes,
Speaker 1: car chases, Yes, women maybe. But uh but yeah, that
Speaker 1: is that is the most recent thing that I that
Speaker 1: I tippy typed on that you're able to see in
Speaker 1: Carnival Row. Carnival Row the first season dropped about a
Speaker 1: month ago, and h Castle Rock the second season is
Speaker 1: on its way. Um, but yeah, it's uh, it's a
Speaker 1: good time to be a nerd. Yeah, totally, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: you can catch me. I can finally announce my New
Speaker 1: York Comic Con panels, Thank goodness. Um, I will be
Speaker 1: there Thursday. I have a panel at twelve fifteen called
Speaker 1: Invisible Latino Volume to check it out. Um, I will
Speaker 1: also be doing I'll be at New York Comedy Club
Speaker 1: that night at ten fifteen, and then on Sunday, I
Speaker 1: am sitting down on the main stage with the original
Speaker 1: Disney princesses. It's a conversation with them. Yes, it's talked
Speaker 1: to Jody Benson, Pedo, Hera n Canani Rose. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be amazing. They might sing, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm allowed to ask them to sing, but
Speaker 1: I'll ask them beforehand if I'm allowed to ask them
Speaker 1: to sing. Definitely check that out. It's going to be iconic. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I can definitively say that I will not be
Speaker 1: at New York Comic Con because I just found out
Speaker 1: that I will actually be uh in Houston for a
Speaker 1: comedy fest. Uh, the Improv comedy Fest. Me and the
Speaker 1: guys and white Women will be performing. It's going to
Speaker 1: be that same weekend. Uh. Let me look, It'll be
Speaker 1: at Station Theater, So definitely, uh pop in, Uh if
Speaker 1: you're in the Houston area. I will definitely be there
Speaker 1: having barbecue. Yes, ending. It's called the Trill Comedy Fest,
Speaker 1: which you know, I'm glad to just be a part
Speaker 1: of something called that. But yeah, I'll be having fun,
Speaker 1: so pull up. It'll be a good time. I will
Speaker 1: also be at the New York Comic Con. We will
Speaker 1: have to hang out. I know I'll come, so you'd
Speaker 1: be funny. Yeah, I I've Last year I went with
Speaker 1: the for Ralph, I went to Disney People, so I
Speaker 1: didn't actually get to see anything. They just like shuttle
Speaker 1: you behind the scenes, and like you know, I was
Speaker 1: in a green room until in the then you like
Speaker 1: go out and then they shuttle you around, so I didn't.
Speaker 1: I actually get to go on the floor this time.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I will probably not um because I'm I'm
Speaker 1: hosting on the Sci Fi Wire main stage, hey, which
Speaker 1: means she's like asking random people questions every ten minutes,
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Good a kid, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. It's Dean Kane. Let me ask about man
Speaker 1: Dean Kane. It's a lot of that for like three days.
Speaker 1: It's a lot to be on at all times. It is,
Speaker 1: but but I'm also delightful, super delightful, like getting to
Speaker 1: talk to people who I either have never met and
Speaker 1: idolized them afar or people that I love and they're
Speaker 1: like just rolled onto my stage by accident. You're here,
Speaker 1: I had to talk to you for ten minutes. This
Speaker 1: will be great, um, And I love New York, so
Speaker 1: an excuse to go to New York. I had that
Speaker 1: happened with lin Manuel Miranda, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know who I am lin Manuel Miranda, Well, god, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm somebody this feels great. If we all, if
Speaker 1: we all get that moment of getting to bed asking
Speaker 1: lens light, it makes it all worth it. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it for us. Say stay nerdy, stay nerdy. You
Speaker 1: missed it.