1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: Hi, my name is Robert Lammon. This is the Monster Fact, 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: a short form series from Stuff to Blow Your Mind, 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: focusing on mythical creatures, ideas and monsters in time. We've 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: been talking about manta rays on Stuff to Blow Your 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: Mind recently, so I thought it was high time to 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: discuss a selection of creatures that captivated me many years 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: ago when I first picked up a copy of Carol 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: Rose's Giants, Monsters and Dragons and Encyclopedia of Folklore, legend 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: in myth If you've listened to the show for any 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: amount of time, you've heard me champion this book a lot. 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: My copy is well worn. Rose compiles an exhaustive, if 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: inevitably incomplete, encyclopedia of mythic, folkloric, legendary and literary creatures, 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: and early on I was captivated by some of the 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: Chilean creatures listed in its pages, several of which relate 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 2: to hides and bladders. Not only are some of these 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: possibly connected to observations of mantas and other rays, manta 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: even has its own listing. She describes the manta as 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 2: a giant sea going monster. From the folklore of ch Chile. 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: Perhaps she means Chiloe island. It's just the creatures described 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: as quote a flat, extended skin like a cow's hide, 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: with eyes around the perimeter, four more on top where 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: a head would have been, and tentacles and tail with cloths. 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 2: So this creature is said to attack swimmers, folding around 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: their bodies and pulling them into the depths to consume them. 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: Rose shares that some have speculated that the tail might 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: actually refer to some manner of cephalopod, like an octopus. 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: The folkloric salt water manta, which as a reminder, means 29 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: blanket in Spanish, would also connected to the freshwater quero 30 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: Spanish for hide, which has the same mo in appearance 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: and is said to be derived from the hide of 32 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: a donkey that quote fell into the river, unfolded, came alive, 33 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: and then engulfed every other living thing that came its way. 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: Both are also said to cause storms when they return 35 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: to the water after basking on the rocks. So once 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: more we have a flattened or amorphous entity that could 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: easily be compared to various octopi and certainly rays. There 38 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: are no known freshwater cephalopods. However, there are freshwater rays 39 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: native to South America, if not actually to Chile itself. 40 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: She also mentions the trel Kawikov from the folklore of 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: the Arocanian people of Chile, which also matches the description 42 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: of the quiro and the folkloric manta, but with the 43 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: added detail that it is the minion of the dreaded 44 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: Imvunche or Imbunche, a great bladder like vampire creature that 45 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: lives deep in an underground lake, and it depends on 46 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: the trel quukure to deliver its human prey. Rose also 47 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: profiles another Chilean monster said to be part of this 48 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: horrific community of creatures, the Shivato, also part of Arocanian traditions, 49 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: said to be a monstrous cannibal humanoid created by witches 50 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: from the body of a kidnapped child, a horrifying process 51 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: said to take many years, also known as enserados in Spanish, 52 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: Rose describes how the witches were said to sow up 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: the orifices of the abducted child and feed them only 54 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: goat and human flesh, gradually transforming them into hairy, gray 55 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: savages beings which might also eventually transform into an invunce 56 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: or Embunche, or even a shivato. Other accounts list other 57 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: horrifying mutilations that are part of the transformation process quite 58 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: a horrific, monstrous life cycle. Rose's main source for these 59 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: creatures would seem to be the nineteen eighty eight or 60 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: eighty nine book Lake Monster Traditions by Mirger and Gagnon, 61 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: which is rather hard to come by these days. The 62 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: Invunce or Embunche in particular, has found its way into 63 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: various popular works of modern fiction, including Chilean author Jose 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: Donoso's magical realist novel The Obscene Bird of Night from 65 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy, as well as Alan Moore's terrific run on 66 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: DC comics Swamp Thing. I've had a hard time finding 67 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: additional materials on these various creatures, at least in English, 68 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: which is a shame, because I'd love to know more 69 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: about where these accounts come from, how they're interconnected, and 70 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: what they meant to the people who hold or held 71 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: these traditions. Certainly, if you, the listener, know of any 72 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: good resources on these creatures these topics, please send them 73 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: my way and we can follow up in the future. 74 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: But in the absence of such resources, we can only 75 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: speculate to what extent some of these traditions may have 76 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: been based on the observation of salt water or even 77 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: freshwater rays, as well as octopi. Most such creatures are 78 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: of little thread. Of course, even steamrays result in no 79 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: more than I believe one or two human deaths per year. 80 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: But just as many human traditions have identified something otherworldly 81 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: and even divine in the movements of rays, others have 82 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 2: cast them as potentially dangerous predators. Tune in for additional 83 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 2: episodes of The Monster, Fact, the Artifact, or anomiliustipendium each week. 84 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: As always, you can email us at contact at stuff 85 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: to Blow your Mind dot com. 86 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: Stuff to Blow Your Mind is production of iHeartRadio. 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