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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's episode three two five. My name is Brad Roland

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined today not by Scott Coleman. I smashed

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Speaker 1: the upgrade button on this Thursday evening, and I'm joined

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Speaker 1: today by Stephen Tolbert Steven. Listen, it was the Coleman

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Speaker 1: and Coleman Law firm on our last show. This time

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Speaker 1: it's the Roland Tilbert Law Firm.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't quite sound the same, doesn't doesn't It's.

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Speaker 1: Not quite as convenient in that way. Yeah, but listen,

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Speaker 1: we could still hold up against those guys anytime. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not an emergency podcast. There's been some stuff that's happened,

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Speaker 1: signings and injuries and things. We're kind of doing a

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Speaker 1: more standard episode today, but it is reacting to some

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Speaker 1: news that has a relation to the Braves. We'll say

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Speaker 1: it's not directly about the Braves, but it impacts them

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Speaker 1: in two different ways, and that it improves the Mets,

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Speaker 1: which no one likes, and also the braves well chronicled

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Speaker 1: starting pitching desire need how you want to put that is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the volume of guys available is getting lower

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Speaker 1: and lower. I'm gonna ask you about that in a

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Speaker 1: second Stephen, But first thing we have to do is

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Speaker 1: Scott and ful Territory on YouTube. Check it out. There

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Speaker 1: are bosses. It's an awesome show, awesome all the time,

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Speaker 1: and that'll be a fun night. You and I are

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Speaker 1: huge awards guys. Famously, Steven, I know Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: and Awards. I did not. Somebody actually dm me that

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Speaker 1: you'll find it funny somebody DM me and asked if

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Speaker 1: I intentionally ducked the Hall of Fame show because I

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Speaker 1: don't like the Hall of Fame I didn't intentionally duck

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame show, but it worked out them anyway.

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Speaker 1: The news of the day, it's actually from yesterday. But

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Speaker 1: Freddy Peralta, who we discussed on this show about the

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Speaker 1: Braves move training for him, is not a member of

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Speaker 1: the New York Mets, which is unfortunate, and that the

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Speaker 1: Mets are a Braves rival and Peralta is a Braves

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Speaker 1: potential target the Nets. Sorry, the Mets traded a decent

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Speaker 1: amount for Freddy Polscher, brandon sprote Jet Williams, two of

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Speaker 1: their top prospects, like real top what's seven five guys

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Speaker 1: Kyle McDaniel VSPM tweeted today that those two prospects changing

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Speaker 1: hands was enough to put the Mets from number one

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Speaker 1: So where we thought about this? Now I have a

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Speaker 1: for the Braves and that Peralta is going to the Mets,

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Speaker 1: but it really kind of is in it in a way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we knew the Mets. The Mets had had

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Speaker 2: a really weird offseason, like they they had. There's their

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Speaker 1: A lot of these on a lot of rakings I

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Speaker 2: The reason I didn't think the Braves would be in

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect him to bring back this much in

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Speaker 2: I get why they did it. I know they got

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Speaker 2: Who who? Everybody thinks is better and it's very slight,

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Speaker 2: just Fangrafts has them ahead of the Braves now, like

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Speaker 1: Just waiting and buying, buying the next guy, or just.

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Speaker 2: Buying a picture on the market. Go buy Fraan Bravaldez

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Speaker 1: I actually said the same thought I wanted to think today.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if the Mets made a before they made

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Speaker 2: It has to be something like that, because I and

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Speaker 2: I've thought about like, because the Dodgers have been very good.

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Speaker 2: go spend money, and money money reproduces itself quicker than

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Speaker 2: I mean, they traded to top one hundred prospects to

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Speaker 2: Prata to an extension, but they also could have just

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Speaker 2: is two pronged. I get, I understand. I actually saw

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Speaker 2: what they gave up. But they are better, and that's unequivocal.

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Speaker 2: They are better. I do. I do have them ahead

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Speaker 2: of the Braids. It's slight. I have them ahead of

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Speaker 2: the Bradgs. The Hassan Kim injury did not help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the in the last week, the Braves lost

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Speaker 1: if I want to ask you about the Braves potential

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Speaker 1: to trade for somebody like this and the system, because

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Speaker 1: slight tease on that first though the Workmart partners on

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Speaker 1: today's show, all right, Stephen, the question we were asked

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Speaker 1: today individually as a podcast, it became a trending topic

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Speaker 1: on Braves Twitter today. It was like, could the Braves

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Speaker 2: And universally Milwaukee is thought to have like crushed this trade,

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Speaker 1: maybe Sandielkin Tara's available. We just we just don't know.

430
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Speaker 1: Maybe the Redskuys. That's a popular idea. Unless you have

431
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Speaker 1: someone you die to talk about individually, we'll just say

432
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Speaker 1: like yes, take a trade for someone I I am

433
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: partial to, like an off the board idea of like

434
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: u Sai Kakuchi from the Angels, but is he available?

435
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea if he's available, it's so hard.

436
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the rub is that unless they're I mean,

437
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 2: Peralta was just widely known to be available.

438
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 1: And so was Gore.

439
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 2: Those two guys were both extremely known to Like, I

440
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: don't understand what the Twins are doing. The Twins have

441
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 2: had one of the weirder offseason. They just had this massive,

442
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 2: massive teardown at the trade deadline and then just stopped.

443
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: It seems like the conspiracy theory, which might be true,

444
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: is that they saw what there's his ticket numbers? Did

445
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, and they were like, hey, we can't

446
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: just we can't just trade everyone, or no one's gonna

447
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: come to our games.

448
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: Like they were three moves away from just completing the rebuild.

449
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 2: And yes, they just stopped, which is their prerogative.

450
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: But sure it doesn't make a lot of sense. But yeah,

451
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: I mean, just to say this out loud, sure the

452
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: Braves should be calling on Joe Ryan and Pablo Lopez. Yeah,

453
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure they have I mean I should.

454
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure half the teams in baseball have.

455
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, as they should. I mean, Scott had a segment

456
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: about Lucy Arena a couple of weeks ago. Like a

457
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: guy who's not a sexy player but like could be

458
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: should be available. We would imagine they have the greatest

459
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: wanted him. I have no idea what they do, So

460
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: Mitch Keller's on the popular name, just sail the names

461
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Speaker 1: at once. Yes, please trade for a starter if there's

462
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: if there's one available. With that said, the free agent

463
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: market is not changed in the last few days. It

464
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: is essentially frame of all. This is the clear number

465
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Speaker 1: one guy, nine figure contract projection. Zach Allen, who's polarizing,

466
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: is still available. And then you get to the lower tier,

467
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: which is probably headline at least for me by Chris Bassett. Yeah,

468
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about it before, Steven, but now that we're

469
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: getting late, it's getting late. I mean, stuff's Fishing Act

470
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: report in three and a half weeks, three weeks something

471
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: like that. Where's your head at now? I mean, has

472
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: anything changed in your mind about like how the Braves

473
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: should approach this. My urgency levels remains high. Every time

474
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: I talk talk about this. I get a lot of

475
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: people that disagree. I think the Braves don't really need someone.

476
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, but maybe you do. Where's

477
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: your head at with this? As of January twenty second

478
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: and the Braves starting pitching needs slash pursuit.

479
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Speaker 2: My opinion hasn't changed on starting pitching one bit. The

480
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 2: Braves need another starter, like I've seen I've seen the

481
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Speaker 2: same thing you've seen, where like people start to waiver.

482
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Speaker 2: You know, well, if you look at the names, it's

483
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Speaker 2: actually not all that bad, and that is that is

484
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: somewhat true. But the Braising another starter, Like I'm just

485
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: I'm not I have enough concerns with the lineup. And

486
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: we'll get into a full preview of the team at

487
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: some point in spring training, but I still have concerns

488
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: about the lineup. I think the bullpen is very good.

489
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: I think the rotation can be good. There's just so

490
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: many pitching I'm not sorry, there's so many injury questions, yeah,

491
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: one through like six in the rotation that you have

492
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: to I think you have to have another starter in

493
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Speaker 2: terms of like who's available. You know, the framber stuff

494
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: got hot there for a minute, and it's cooled and

495
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: not only cooled with the Braves, it's cool with everybody.

496
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Speaker 1: I don't remember the lot. Yeah, it's kind of strange,

497
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 1: like it's it's so late for a nine figure pitcher

498
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: to just be sitting out there and like not having

499
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: even like an active rumor, like it seemed like with Kult,

500
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: with like guys like Bregman and Bashitt, it was like

501
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: they're all kind of waiting for like, Tucker, are we

502
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: something to go on? Tucker, Yeah, on the pitching side,

503
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what they're waiting on.

504
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Dylan c signed in like November.

505
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went early and then it stopped and then

506
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a flurry again around

507
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: Ray and all that. But now it's like, hey, Framber,

508
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: you might want to sign at some point.

509
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: I mean, the only team I've heard connected to Frambur

510
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: in the last like month is the Orioles, just and not.

511
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's a real important It's

512
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: just like connecting dots, like the Orioles need pitching and

513
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: Frambler's a pitcher. I haven't heard a legitimate Framber, remember,

514
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how long is that. Gallon's kind of

515
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: the same way I don't remember the last time I

516
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: saw somebody connected to Gallon.

517
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Speaker 1: And I kind of thought that once because it was

518
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: the same with Ranger for a while too. It got

519
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: it got kind of quiet, and I think the perception

520
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: was that maybe their market was cooling a little bit,

521
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: and it was like, hey, maybe they won't. These guys

522
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: are gonn decided where to take less money or not

523
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: or take short term deal, and then Ranger got like

524
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: the full amount and it's like, Okay, well it wasn't that.

525
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and maybe maybe it is that with Framber.

526
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Speaker 1: Maybe we don't. He hasn't had that offer sitting their

527
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Speaker 1: way for him, but we just we just don't know.

528
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Speaker 1: But he's clearly the best guy available, Like he's the

529
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Speaker 1: one guy I projected to get a nine figure deal.

530
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he won't, Maybe he'll get a short maybe he'll

531
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Speaker 1: go shorter term, higher av there's all these possibilities that exist.

532
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Speaker 1: I want to say one thing about this, about the rotation,

533
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: because that is something that you said triggered in my mind.

534
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: Every picture has injury risk everyone, so just say that

535
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: out loud. But literally all the Braves starters, the real

536
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: like the good ones have like more injury risk than

537
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: most significant significant all every single one of them. So

538
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: Chris s Ale was benep the Times last year, has

539
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: the injury history. Obviously he's old strider, came back and

540
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: was mostly healthy last year, but like.

541
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Speaker 2: From now to the end of his career.

542
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Speaker 1: Has injury risk. Yes, grand Holmes is currently injured or

543
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: recovering from injury. We're not a low Pez. It's coming

544
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: back from injury, yep. Schwellenbach coming back from injury yep,

545
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: like a Smiths Chabberry currently out. Like all of the

546
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: guys that the Braves are invested in, sans Hurst and

547
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Waldrip who's down the list, and Bryce Elder who is

548
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: again down the list, have like active injury questions. So

549
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: that's one reason why they need more in our opinion

550
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: than some others. Because yeah, obviously if you just stack

551
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: up the names and say, if everything goes well, yeah

552
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: they have they have enough pitching. No one's saying that.

553
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: No one's saying that it's not that it's not the case.

554
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: But guess what, Everything doesn't usually go well with starting pitchers,

555
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: particularly when the.

556
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: Moments the last time everything went well for the Braves.

557
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: Also true. So one thing that our our co host

558
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: Scott tweeted about today and got us talking about in

559
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: our DM as well. Was the ever present notion of

560
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: what Alex has said about how the Braves kind of

561
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: only want to add someone if it's a front line

562
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: guy or a playoff level guy. Right, Yeah, Alex Is

563
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: alluded to that. I think in Scott said the same thing.

564
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm at a bar from him. That's pretty overblown. I

565
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: think every time it's every time this comes up, it's like, well,

566
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: that guy isn't like a top thirty pitcher in the league,

567
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: so he doesn't qualify. And it's like, well, if you're

568
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: limiting your options to only top thirty pitchers in the league,

569
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: there are only thirty of them that you can acquire,

570
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: and most of those guys are not available.

571
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: Now.

572
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: Framer's maybe one of those guys, but he if that's

573
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: your if that's your focus, I could I could argue

574
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: that it's literally Fremer Baldez or no one else.

575
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: Two years ago, the Braves had a J. Smith Shalver

576
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: starting Game one against the San Diego padret If they're

577
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: not spending like a minute in the majors all year.

578
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the stuff happens, and this is this is. I'm

579
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: making this point to say, I'm not telling anybody to

580
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: get super excited about the guys down this list. I'm

581
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: not if you're not a if you're not a Lucas

582
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: Giolino fan, or a Zach Ltel fan or a Chris

583
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Bassett fan, I get it. They're all two different degrees

584
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: not that impressive. I still am of the mind of

585
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: it is better to sign one of them at the

586
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: at an appropriate price. I'm not saying break the bank.

587
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: If you want to break the bank, then not to

588
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: do anything. So like and Alex is not striking as

589
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: somebody who was like, hey, I'm gonna draw this line

590
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: in the sand, and if you're not, if you're not

591
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: a three and a half win pitcher, we don't want you.

592
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like Alex to me. I know he

593
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: kind of said that, but like that's just speak, just

594
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: GM speak, like and like, is it.

595
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: I tweeted this two days ago. Maybe I can't can't

596
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: remember I trained this recently that like I still want

597
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: Chris Bassett like I would be.

598
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Throw I've been on a basket for the whole time.

599
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Scott and I had a rare disagreement about Chris Bassett

600
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Speaker 1: in like November, which Scott was lower on the idea

601
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: that he wasn't like out totally, but like, you know,

602
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: you know me, Stephen Bassett's like extremely brad.

603
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Charlie Morton.

604
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not saying give him a four year deal,

605
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: but if Chris Bassett wants to sign for one year

606
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: and twenty million right now, like I'll go pick up

607
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: up in the airport.

608
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's and what and what hurts like because

609
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: normally you would say, alright, Zach Gallon's been on the

610
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: market for a while. Pitchers specifically pitchers want to sign

611
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: early because they report to spring training earlier. Maybe Zach

612
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: Gallan would be interested in like a one year pillow,

613
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: like one year twenty to try to get back on

614
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: the market. The problem is the damn qualifying offer because

615
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: you got to give up that draft pick whether you

616
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: sign him to a one year deal or a five

617
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: year deal. So you know, are you okay? You know,

618
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: if you if you decide that you're okay giving him

619
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Speaker 2: giving up for Framber on a five year deal, well

620
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: you can justify why I got Framber for the next

621
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Speaker 2: five years. It's probably worth the pick. If you got

622
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: Gallon for one year. It's harder to make that. It's harder,

623
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: it's hard to make that sell. So and Bassett does

624
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: not have a qualifying offer attached. You can sign him

625
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: for whatever you want and you don't give up the pick.

626
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: And I listen, if you look at Phip, and I

627
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: know everybody's you know, I'm not a big era guy,

628
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: and Peralta has a really good ERA compared to Bassett.

629
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Speaker 2: But if you look at Phip, the last two years

630
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: for Addy, Peralta and Chris Bassett are like point very similar, yeah,

631
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: behind each other, Like it's not that different. And I'm

632
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: not Freddy Prault is better than Chris Basst. I'm saying

633
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: Chris Bassett, I think is a little underrated. And back

634
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: to your original point that Bryce Elder. In twenty twenty three,

635
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: Bryce Elder pitched in Game three of a one to

636
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 2: one series at Philadelphia. He started that game either. That

637
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: is what Scott's point was, is that this idea that

638
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: like there's only like thirty pitchers in the league that

639
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: can make playoff starts. When it's crazy. The Braves have

640
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: had much worse pitchers pitching in playoff games the last

641
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Speaker 2: two years. Alone. So give me Chris Bassett all day.

642
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Eating quality innings is something that is underrated. Yeah, Like, okay,

643
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: here's a stat for you. And I feel like I'm

644
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: not trying to be a Chris Bassett only evangelist. That's

645
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: not the point of this. Chris Bassett, I think objectively

646
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: falls below the line of like the perception of what

647
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Alex was referring to as like a high end playoff starter, right,

648
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean Chris Basstt's like a number three, three and

649
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: a half starter, Like he's useful, durable, good, not dominant,

650
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: not high upside. But I say all that he went

651
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty, So the last six seasons combined, Chris

652
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: Bassett is eighth in innings pitched. Yeah, he is durable

653
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: and he throws quality innings. Over that time. He has

654
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: an ERA in the threes and a FIP in the threes.

655
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: Are they in the high threes? Yes, But like guess what,

656
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: that's still pretty good when you're throwing one hundred and

657
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: eighty innings a season.

658
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

659
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: And the guys ahead of him, by the way, are

660
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: almost all awesome. Logan Webb, Kevin Gosman, Zach Wheeler, Fraanmer, Valdez,

661
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Luis Castillo, Aaron Nola. The only guy who's not any

662
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: more is Jose Barrios, who was really good back then,

663
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: so like it does has to be Chris Bassett. But

664
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, would be really helpful for this rotation. Having

665
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: a nothing is safe in pitching, but having a sem

666
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: it's safe one hundred and seventy innings of like competence. Yeah,

667
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: that helps to anybody. I don't care who you are. Yeah,

668
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: it might make your decisions a little bit more challenging

669
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: with guys like Ronald Lopez and Grant Holmes. That's fine

670
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: with me. I don't care at in the quality innings,

671
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm fine.

672
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: And it also gives you the ability to, like, you know,

673
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: the goal is to get everybody to October health. Is

674
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: what the Dodgers did last year. Go to a six

675
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: man rotation for a month and let and give everybody

676
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: some rest if you have to. You have this versatility

677
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: with Homes and Renaldo Lopez that can be in the bullpen.

678
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna have injuries. You're a thousand percent

679
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: gonna have pitching injuries. There's no chance.

680
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Listen. I will bet anyone that liked to this is

681
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: not a betting podcast, but I will bet anyone that

682
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: liked to that your favorite five starting pitchers for the

683
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Braves are not all going to make thirty starts.

684
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not gonna pitch for six months like pain free.

685
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: It's never gonna happen, not with this group. You know,

686
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: there might be a group somewhere in the majors that

687
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 2: like they're young enough, there's really no injury concern like,

688
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: or at least built in injury concerns.

689
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: There might be eighteen. But to your point, even though

690
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: even on that front, there might be one team maybe

691
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: that has a hesrotation that's like healthy ISHU all your life.

692
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: I think like three years ago or four years ago,

693
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: the Astros had like the dream season where they had

694
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: five guys start all year, and like, that's happened. That

695
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: happens like once a lifetime. They could just never happen.

696
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: Go get another start another You're never gonna have too

697
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: many good pictures. It's never gonna happen. It's certainly not

698
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: gonna happen with this group. And Chris Bassett is a

699
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: perfectly fine Now, yes, I'll take Framber. Listen, Yes, they

700
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: want to show out for Framber for a five year deal.

701
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I I need to see Alex do one

702
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: of those before I believe it's gonna happen. But if

703
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 2: they want to or Zach Gallan, you know, I don't

704
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: know how you feel about Gallen, I go back. Gallen

705
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: is the guy I have a hard time. Like I

706
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: would take Framber, I would take Bassett. Yeah, Gallan, I

707
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: need to see the contract.

708
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: I think I totally agree on all of that. I

709
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: think that Gallen is entirely contract related. Yeah, he's just

710
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: less again, I hate the words safe for pitching. He

711
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: is less safe than either Valdez or Bassett. Bassett as

712
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: a lower has a much lower ceiling than Galena, but

713
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: he's a lot safer.

714
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, well, the money and the draft pick

715
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: and the money.

716
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, the short term deal natrue of because I

717
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: think everyone understands That's is not gonna get four year

718
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: deal the way that Gallon might. You know on that front,

719
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: if you want to trade for Joe Ryan cool, like

720
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: he's better than Chris Bassett, Like, yeah, sign me up.

721
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, we're repeating ourselves, I'm sure, but it's basically

722
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: what you're down to three guys that I'm like, sure

723
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: are rotation caliber fully guys, which is Framberg, Gallon Bassett,

724
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: And then you get into like do you want anything

725
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: to do with Lucas Gilia though? Do you want anything

726
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: to do with Zach Lettel, who I kind of like.

727
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: Actually I actually kind of like Lttel too because it

728
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: doesn't walk anybody.

729
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: He doesn't walk anybody and he's very boring, but he's

730
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: another inning Zeter competent pitcher. Nick Martinez, you know, it

731
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: would be extremely braves Justin Burlander.

732
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought about Bertlander too.

733
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: I don't love that idea, but it's it would be

734
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: on brand for alex As I'll say.

735
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: And it would be on brand. Like the team has

736
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: like quietly gotten a lot of a lot older than

737
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: it used to be. I mean, they signed Whosky was

738
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: thirty five, they signed Robert Swarez, who's thirty four.

739
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: Glaciers Rice Ell is not young. Yeah, I mean a

740
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle. I'm not sure I've talked

741
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: about this person at all. Maybe you guys didn't. I

742
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: just don't remember. Jordan Montgomery had Tommy John in March

743
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: of twenty five, Yeah, and had a bad season before

744
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: that because he was hurt very clearly and had a

745
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: weird I wouldn't mind it. A flyer on Jordan Montgomery,

746
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: like he probably won't pitch till like June. Yeah, but

747
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying that fixes your problem. That would

748
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: be a next tier flyer. But like some of them,

749
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: like Shane Bieber last winter when we talked about him

750
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: a lot, as like, hey, you would be a decent

751
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: idea just like throw ten million at Shane Bieber and

752
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: he got that just off from the braves. Jordan Montgomery, Yeah,

753
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: just a guy that I keep an eye on. So

754
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: not sexy. Stephen. We are in agreement, you and I

755
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: about please just go get somebody. I guess we'll probably

756
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: do a show in the month if they haven't done

757
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: anything to say, all right, this is gonna be it.

758
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: I guess.

759
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, especially when especially when Framburgh, Gallon and Bassett all.

760
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: Well right, if they all sign, then we'll start to

761
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: do a reaction that doesn't close the door entirely, because

762
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, they could still trade for someone. Yeah,

763
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: but if once you get into like pictures to catchers reporting,

764
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: not that you turn the lights out on any transactions,

765
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: but it just become they become a lot lower profile

766
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: generally speak.

767
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: And I'll end with this, I want to get your

768
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: opinion on this. I want to make sure I agree

769
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: with this thought before I say it into a microphone. Yeah,

770
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: I think I agree, So with yourself. Yeah, with myself,

771
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: Like I have like a full letter grade of like

772
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: grading this all season tied to whether or not they

773
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: add a starter.

774
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm there with you on that for.

775
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: Sure, Like like because and listen, I'm not going to

776
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: pretend like the has on Kin news doesn't affect There's

777
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: no way to have it not affect your psyche. Like

778
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: I thought it was a good signing, but now that

779
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: we know that he's going to be out for at

780
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: least two.

781
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: Months, Yeah, I would go with like, it's probably a

782
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: good idea to separate the two, even though you can't.

783
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to separate this because obviously Alex doesn't

784
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: know he's gonna get hurt.

785
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: Right if you're trying to analyze what the front office did,

786
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: they did not know Kim would get hurt a month later,

787
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Like they couldn't have known. That couldn't. So we agree.

788
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I think I would say in the

789
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: whole time, like, hey, I like the AU season, No,

790
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: matter what boring look at this that if they gives

791
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: that gallon a herd something million dollars, that'd be a

792
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: negative grade for me. But to date, I like it.

793
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: I'm in that like really strong approval range. If they

794
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: don't add a starting pitcher, I have to knock that

795
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: down because I've been on records since literally like October second,

796
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: that they had to add a starting pitcher in the

797
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: off season.

798
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: Like I think I would go from like, let's just

799
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: say they signed Chris Bassett to a two year, thirty

800
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: eight million dollars I don't know pick exactly that whatever,

801
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: whatever his projection is, I would be at like a

802
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: high B plus low A minus type of grade for

803
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: the off season. I wanted a little bit more on

804
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: the offense, but like, I think it would be a

805
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: very good off season. If they don't sign any picture,

806
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm in like B minus maybe even C plus territory.

807
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think i'd still be I'd still be like

808
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: a B probably, yeah, if you include the Kim injury,

809
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: which I wouldn't. But if you did have to go

810
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: down like another half another half grade, I'm.

811
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: Word I'm worried of I think I'm worried about the

812
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 2: offense more than some are.

813
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: I know. To be clear, I am not as high

814
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: on the offense as some are. I think we talked

815
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: about it a little bit Scott and I on our

816
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: Riley Olsen show, not about Olsen but more about Riley. Uh.

817
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: I think it's underrated how important Riley is. And I

818
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: think and I think it's also underrated. How how little

819
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: certainty I have that Austin Riley is going to be

820
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 1: a star. Yeah, that combination of things is tough because

821
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: if he's just the guy he's been the last two years,

822
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: different offense, there's still a decent player.

823
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: Just I just I need to see Drake Baldwin do

824
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: it a second year.

825
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean there's there is underrated uncertainty. That's one.

826
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: Profar was great when he came back last year.

827
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: I need I need to see Profar again before, like

828
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: I put a Kunyan Olsen in a separate category everybody else,

829
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: I just I don't fully trust yet.

830
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: Well that's I think that's the right approach. The good

831
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: thing is they have a lot of good. They have

832
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: a lot of bets to where the math would tell

833
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: you that they won't all be bad. Like I think

834
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: between Profar Baldwin, Harris, Riley, Ozzie, Like, you're probably gonna

835
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: get two or three of those guys have good seasons,

836
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: and then suddenly you have a I mean, you're pretty

837
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: much locked into a good offense.

838
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: Like how good if Baldwin. If Baldwin backs it up,

839
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 2: he moves up into the Akunya Olsen.

840
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he does it again, he becomes Yeah, I

841
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: totally agree. That's different ship, it's a different show. But yeah,

842
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: but no, I think that you're right analyzed. The Nazism

843
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: is what it is. I we've tried. I don't know

844
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: about you, guys. I've tried and not do starting pitching

845
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: for a little while, as we talked about it so

846
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: much this winter. Ye, but now that two of the

847
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: more obvious trade candidates moved and it's January twenty second

848
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: and pitches the country report in three weeks, Yeah, like

849
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of a check in was warranted. I'm

850
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: just fascinated to see when these guys start to sign,

851
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: because I mean, my brain says it has to be soon.

852
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm just the crazy one.

853
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: I don't know.

854
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: I feel like the ones that go into spring training

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Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like it's usually

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Speaker 2: position players that go into.

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Speaker 1: Spring yeah, or or old guys like if Bassett went

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Speaker 1: to spring training, I wouldn't be surprised because it's like,

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Speaker 1: maybe he just wants to do like a one year

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Speaker 1: deal or something. Yeah, you know, but yeah, starting pitcher

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Speaker 1: forme of all this. I don't know why your agent

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Speaker 1: or yourself would want to take a nine figure deal

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Speaker 1: starting pitcher into spring training. That doesn't make.

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Speaker 2: Sense, and I don't as a team, I would be

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Speaker 2: uncomfortable hanging out a nine figure deal to somebody who's right.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna assume maybe I'm wrong. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: assume that he probably has a nine figure offer from

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Speaker 1: someone somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Is he bor Is? I should know this is he Boris?

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Speaker 2: He's not Boris.

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Speaker 1: I should know the answer to that question. And I

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Speaker 1: don't at the moments.

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Speaker 2: Because honestly, if he's Boris, it almost makes more sense

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Speaker 2: that he's waited. But yeah, I agree, like I think

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Speaker 2: he has good offer. I still think the Orioles. I

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Speaker 2: still think the Phillies need another picture. But what do

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Speaker 2: I know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that is is Boris?

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Speaker 2: Is it all right? Well? It makes a little bit

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Speaker 2: more sense as a Boris client because Boris is gonna

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Speaker 2: And again, I wouldn't be surprised with Gallan or Boris

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Speaker 2: if I mean, you've seen it. I can't. I can't

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Speaker 2: count how many times this year this offseason I've seen

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Speaker 2: guy signs a three year deal with two opt outs.

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Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, that's like the new invote thing is

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Speaker 2: you get an opt out for every everyone.

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Speaker 1: If you can get it on the on the player side,

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Speaker 1: that's hugely valuable. It just is because you're only opting

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Speaker 1: out if you're going to get more, and that's on

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Speaker 1: the team side. That's why Alex doesn't want to give

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Speaker 1: that kind of deal because it's bad for the team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that that being kind of a new

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Speaker 2: invoke thing, specifically with the Braves hurts them because they.

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Speaker 1: Don't do it because Alex is like, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to do that, So it's complicated. Maybe these guys will

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Speaker 1: start to sign this weekend. I wouldn't be shocked by that.

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Speaker 1: I just think we're getting closer and closer and at

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Speaker 1: least our podcast stance collectively. I don't want to speak

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Speaker 1: for Sean. I think I think he agrees with us,

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Speaker 1: but me, you and Scott for sure, like, hey, get

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Speaker 1: a starting picture. It's kind of necessary. Yeah all right, Steven, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we'll just say this out loud. The Braves did bring

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Speaker 1: back an old friend this week. Luke Williams is back

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Speaker 1: on a minor league contract. This is the four five

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Speaker 1: minute mark on the podcast, and hey, welcome back Luke.

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Speaker 2: They went for a bullpen addition.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the joke everyone's making. It's the right joke. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think he actually could compete for the last roster

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Speaker 1: spot in a because because Kim is gonna be out,

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Speaker 1: like there is a extra spot of it.

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Speaker 2: Million bucks.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I think what tales on he'll

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Speaker 1: be on the team. I talked about the spot after

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Speaker 1: like the last last spot.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I doubt it, but you know a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Luke.

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Speaker 1: They like Luke Williams.

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Speaker 2: They do. They've always liked.

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Speaker 1: Luke, always so utility guy minor league contracts. Just saying

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Speaker 1: it out loud because he's a name that Braves fans

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Speaker 1: remember it. Hey, he can't pitch, can't pitch on occasion

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Speaker 1: fifteen to one, hopefully winning, not losing like last year

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Speaker 1: was too much losing, Stephen, think of joining me on

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Speaker 1: a Thursday evening and a rare pleasure for me to

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Speaker 1: talk to you in this form. Wor can folks find

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Speaker 1: all of your musings? We We've reported your Twitter account

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Speaker 1: a few times on this podcast, but I haven't said

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Speaker 1: what it actually is. So if they want to follow you,

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Speaker 1: where can that be?

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Speaker 2: Underscore Outliers is the Twitter handle? Come over? It's a

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Speaker 2: lot more entertaining and during baseball season because I think

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Speaker 2: Scott and I are are the ones that pretty much

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Speaker 2: live tweet the games.

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Speaker 1: You are. You are definitely the number one grinder among

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter about game stuff the season. I used

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Speaker 1: to do it. I used to tweet a lot about games,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of had to swear it off because

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Speaker 1: in my other job, I have to tweet their Hawks games.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kind of required to do that and it

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Speaker 1: just becomes a lot twenty, you know, twelve months a

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Speaker 1: year to about a game every day basically, so I

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Speaker 1: had to swear it off. But hey, you're out there

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Speaker 1: for me, so thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Scott Scott's out there.

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Speaker 1: Scott Scott does too. I think you grind a little

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Speaker 1: even more so than Scott.

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Speaker 2: Scott's done the smart thing. Well, you both have done

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Speaker 2: the smart thing and and and scaled back.

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Speaker 1: That's what I hashtag never tweet not true. I still

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Speaker 1: like Twitter. It's just a it's tough sometimes. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: as as a episode recommendation, follows Steven on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: the our scare Outliars. If you'd like to follow me,

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00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: feel free at bt roll into less quality on baseball

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Speaker 1: than Steven, But importantly, in all seriousness, please follow the

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Speaker 1: show as well at Hammer Territory, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, check

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00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: out Falla Territory. We are part of THOT Network. It's

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Speaker 1: an awesome show every day. There's a lot of tonnage

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Speaker 1: there on all the time. Yeah, it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: base If you're a baseball sicko, and you probably are,

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Speaker 1: let's's long on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I see more clips from them.

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Speaker 1: They're on all the time, man, all the time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're grinding a way over there.

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Speaker 1: And they're on different platforms. They're on TV a lot, YouTube,

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Speaker 1: all the things. So follow those guys as well. Check

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Speaker 1: out the pod and subscribe Apple, Spotify, YouTube ratings and

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Speaker 1: reviews appreciated. We'll have a show at some point soon,

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Speaker 1: maybe Sunday if nothing else happens, but please stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: The best way to find the podcast is to subscribe

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Speaker 1: and then it will be just delivered to you. If

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Speaker 1: there's anpisode that just drops right in your lafe, it's

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Speaker 1: fun listen to it. Thank you Steven for being here.

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Speaker 1: That's everybody else. We'll see you all next time.