1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. Yes, 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: and we decided we needed to come back and revisit something. 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this, I'm gonna talk to it a 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: little bit, just because there's so much controversy and you know, 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: we love all of this stuff and we love watching 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: new shows. But yeah, the season of and just like 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: that A is a Max original just finished. And by 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: the way, this is not one of our sponsored content. 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: This is just us coming back to it, but just 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: finished up last week. So we decided we need to 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: do a quick wrap up and I say quick, and 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how quick it is, but definitely a 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: revisit of this season. Um, so first and foremost, if 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: you haven't watched it and are planning to or haven't 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: finished it up and don't want any spoilers, put this 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: on pause and then come back to us, because we're 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: going to go all into it. And so, yes, spoiler alert, 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: that was a very serious spoiler. Yeah, that that was 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: the moment they needed to stop. So hopefully they did. Yes, 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: that's my nanny voice when I would be like, uh no, 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: So we didn't run through of the first two episodes. 23 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: But here we are and we have a few things 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: to talk about, and instead of trying to summarize the 25 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: entire season, we're gonna talk about this my characters and 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: their journey in this new chapter. But before we begin, 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: because we're gonna go and I feel like any You're like, 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: what's happening? Because I'm like, we're gonna do this. You're like, okay, cool, 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: because you're very patient with me, and I'm gonna ask 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: for what you would call their themes and all that. 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: But first, before we go into that, what did you 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: think about this show Slash this first season. I I'm 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: like hesitant because I feel how people have such strong 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: opinions on either side. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I think it was it had, you know, it's ups 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: and downs. Some things were uneven, some things were awkward unintentionally, 37 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: some things were intentionally awkward, But overall, I did enjoy it, 38 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: and it was interesting for me because, as we've discussed, 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: I haven't seen most of the show before this, so 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: I think that might be one of the reasons I 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: was able to enjoy it more without being like right, 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: the dip part opinions are because they love the characters 43 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: in their old ways and so they can't see path 44 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: that And I get it, because you build a character, 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: you trust that character to be as permanent as you 46 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: would hope and consistent. So yeah, I definitely get that. 47 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: I I am one of those old hats. Although, like 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of mine who he 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: was hilarious in telling me that he did not watch 50 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: the entire seasons, all the episodes of Sex in the City, 51 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: but he watched at least two of the movies, and like, well, 52 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: that's one more than I've watched or at this point 53 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: in time, So I feel like he has a better 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: heads up in that realm. But I did and absolutely 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: grow with these women. At one point, they're like ten 56 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: years older than me, and I was like who ah, 57 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: And then it bypassed and I was like, the same age, 58 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: and now they're back to being at least ten years 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: older than me, if not more. So it felt very relevant. 60 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: I feel like they gave it a little bit of 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: a like a leeway for me, like a road map. 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I guess I enjoyed this season. There were a lot 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: of moments I had to fast forward because it was 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: to cringe, and I probably shouldn't have, but I was like, no, no, 65 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't, I can't. Why didn't this 66 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: I forget they did this with all the things. So 67 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: you haven't seen this episode yet, but in one of 68 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the episodes, it's so hard cringe that I almost die inside. 69 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna see it, I believe in season one coming up, yeah, 70 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: and you'll know. Oh no. So I'm just like, but 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: they have a good throwbacks and they call backs to it. 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: So all that to say, but this season, I don't 73 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: know they did this on purpose, because that's life. That's 74 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: life when you really put yourself out there. There's so 75 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: many cringe moments that you just want to hide under 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: a rock or at least maybe make you feel better 77 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: about yourself. I don't know, because at least you didn't 78 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: do that. Whatever it is, it does is make me 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: think of a thing that I think is somewhat related 80 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: to that they or that. So yeah, let's get into it, 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna go ahead, and uh, start off with 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: the biggest character because she is kind of I guess 83 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the forefront Carrie, of course, played by Sarah Jessica Parker 84 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: and by the way. I did notice that Sarah Jessica 85 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: Parker was headlined as one of the main executive producers, 86 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: but both Cynthia Nixon as well as Kristin Davis were 87 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: both also executive producers as well, so they are definitely 88 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: all kind of made their way up into it just enough. 89 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: Y I but what would you say Carry's theme was 90 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: in the season. I think it was Carrie gets her 91 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: Groove back. Yes, yes, I would say moving beyond death, 92 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: love after death. That would be yea love after death. 93 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: I mean it is right right? Also like fine, you know, 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: find figure else, this whole figures out, this whole podcasting thing, 95 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm will say figures out with a 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: very heavy quote folders on us because I'm like, what 97 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: what anyway in all of this if you had to 98 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: describe her year in five words? Oh no, what would 99 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: it be? So this whole thing, the whole thing takes 100 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: place every year. Mm hm. I feel like it would 101 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: be one of those um inspirational paintings that I kind 102 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: of rolled my eyes at. Sometimes she lost she lived 103 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: last Yeah, that was bad. You gave me a weird 104 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: limitation at this. I did. I did, And I was 105 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: gonna say Carrie is single again again. M hmm. That's 106 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: a good one. That's a good because that's kind of 107 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the whole trope of it. So let's get into her 108 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: after she lost Big at the very beginning. Now she's 109 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: trying to navigate her life again, and she is really good. 110 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: The one thing that you're going to find about Carrie 111 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: is she is very neurotic, and a lot of it, 112 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: especially when it came to Big. It just came back 113 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: to her. She just she just needed a trump people. 114 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: It really really irritated me towards season three or four, 115 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: and I wanted to punch her in the throat. Even 116 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: Stanford told her out. It was like, hey, this is 117 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: not about you, it's about me, and she was like, 118 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're right, which I think everybody was like, finally, 119 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: my god, would you quit this same thing with Miranda. 120 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: Each one of them had to call her out, be 121 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: like stop it. Even though you are the main character, 122 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: you're not always the main character type of conversation. And yeah, 123 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: we did. We had this here again, even to the 124 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: point that she always talks about winning. I noticed that 125 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: a lot, whether it's you know, I had the worst breakups, 126 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: My husband died I had the saddest story, Like she 127 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: kept saying that throughout, and I do love Anthony's character 128 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: who's like, you get one more time with me on 129 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: that like that that was quite delightful. I do want 130 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: to point out that, yes, they cut out the last 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: Chris not seeing which was supposed to happen on the finale, 132 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: but you hear his voice singing, and that's it to 133 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: be big. But they definitely after all the accusations, were like, yeah, 134 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: we need to go ahead and cut it out, which 135 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: is a smart decision. Yeah, and I know that it's 136 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: kind of a running joke, but the peloton suffered a 137 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: lot from this, and then that he was in their 138 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: ad to like be like, no, he's fine. Then they 139 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: pulled the ad and then Pelotons killed somebody else in 140 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: another show, another big show. I think it's Billions a 141 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, um, and then they like lost so much 142 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: money and now I think they've been sold so so 143 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: had a huge Peloton. I do want to say to 144 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that I think in the last 145 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: episode that really stuck out to me because we talked 146 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: about how you know, it opened with like grieving and 147 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: it was very I thought an accurate portrayal of how 148 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: grief can look. When she when the lamp kept coming on, 149 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: and she was like seeing this as a sign that 150 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: Big was trying to communicate to her from the afterlife 151 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: or something. I would do that too, like right after 152 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: my dad died, even though I don't believe in any 153 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: of that stuff, but suddenly I was like, this must 154 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: have meaning. It must so even though I don't believe 155 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: in any of that stuff, that totally made sense to 156 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: me that you suddenly or like, I don't know, maybe 157 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: they're reaching out to me. What are they trying to 158 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: tell me? Right, She's not at all like supernatural, super 159 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: like any of that, religious or any of that. They 160 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: all kind of talk about what happens after death to 161 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: someone that you love. They do address that and that 162 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: really pretty well. But are like people change. This is 163 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: what I need, This is what I need right now. 164 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: And I think I've said that a lot about religion, 165 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: like that's not necessarily for me, And but I remember 166 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: how important my faith was at one point in time, 167 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: and it helped me carried me through some rough points 168 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: of my life. Do I go back and credit faith 169 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: for that necessarily? No, it was just what I needed 170 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: at that point, and I think it's unfair for anyone 171 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: to try to take that away from somebody, as long 172 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: as it's not harming others. And I'm not talking about 173 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: people using religion against people, just talking about having faith 174 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to death, when it comes to spirituality, 175 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to afterlife. There's so much to be 176 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: said that we really have no right to take away 177 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: from people. And I think she kind of addressed. She's like, 178 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know, and now I have this 179 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: and I need something. UM. And I always think about 180 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: that too, because we talked about that about children, and 181 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: how do you address that with kids, especially if you're 182 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: not religious, how do you go about that? Um? And 183 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: me coming from a one sided world where everything was 184 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: religious to this and I'm like, oh, that would be 185 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: a hard one to explain for so many. Again, I'm 186 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: not I don't think I'm more like a deist than 187 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: anything else. Like, I'm not completely non spiritual. I don't 188 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: know if I can ever really let that go. But 189 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: there's part of me that still believes in something bigger 190 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: who knows what that means. Doesn't mean karma, does that 191 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: mean whatever? But yeah, I think they do a good 192 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: job in like having a small conversation and meaning a 193 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: lot for people who go going through grief. By the way, 194 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: the IMDb rating is like five out of ten, so 195 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: people loved hated it. So there's that that feels about, right. 196 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: So there was ten episodes to this, and yeah, we 197 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: talked about the first two because I was telling you, 198 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I 199 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: think someone's coming that you haven't met yet, and you're 200 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: not gonna meet till season one or either a season 201 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: one or season in the season two I can't remember. 202 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: And that is his ex wife. And you kind of 203 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: already know. They cheated together, Carrie and Big cheated, cheated 204 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: together while he was married to her, and it was 205 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: like this whole thing about her being young, all these things. 206 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: And then he gives money to her because he felt 207 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: so guilty, which makes me wonder because he cheated on 208 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: all his other wives too. Yeah yeah, so did he 209 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: give money to them? Did they just get just pushed 210 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: up because she meets them, took meets the other ex wife? 211 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah so I but I did love bringing her 212 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: back Bridget's character because I don't know, if you know 213 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: in her real life bridget my hand was pregnant when 214 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady left her for Giselle. I did not like 215 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 1: every single fact you just said. I did not know 216 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: you were so there were so much to that that 217 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: I was like, what, this is a real life for 218 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: this woman. She was always a pretty girl that was 219 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: the other in everything I've ever seen her hand and 220 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: I feel so bad for that. I'm like, why is 221 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: she always portrayed as this character serendipity? She was the 222 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: girl supposed to marry John Cusack and then he leaves 223 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: her for you know, all the other cares you know, 224 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: so it's just a lot of them. She continues to 225 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: be portrayed this woman that gets left, and she typically 226 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: is not the bad guy ever, and she happens to 227 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: be the nicest person. There may be other shows that 228 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: I have not seen, but these are the ones that 229 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: I've seen of her. But then she went through this 230 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: in real life, and who knows. Maybe they had already 231 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: like broken up, but it was really suspect, really suspect 232 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: when he like all of a sudden, Giselle's on his 233 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: arm and she's like, We're like, oh dude, dude, good book. 234 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I was I was holding that one 235 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: for you because I was like, I need to tell 236 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: you these facts. Yeah. So I really feel like there 237 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: were so many different things for Carrie's life. We have that. 238 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: We have her, you know, facing her demons. We have 239 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: her trying to figure out what you know, if if 240 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: they had the secret life, but we also have her 241 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: writing am Inmoir. I thought that was super interesting. I 242 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: did too, and I appreciated the the struggle with writing 243 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: it and the struggle with the ending and it being 244 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: too sad. It did kind of annoy me that they 245 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: were like, go make you're happy, like find something to 246 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: be hopeful about, because I'm like, if she's not there, 247 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: then she's not there. You can still have a hopeful 248 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: note of I hope to one day, like I have 249 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: hope that I shouldn't want to actually go out on 250 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: a day. I was just like, she could be on 251 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: a site and look in the story. Why do we 252 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: need to push her to date? I just that makes 253 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: me so sad. It was so disrespectful. If I was 254 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: ever asked for this show to like go date somebody, 255 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: I would not do it. Yeah, there's other things that 256 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: are like I get it, but come on, like we 257 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: we know people do gimmicky things, but this is too much. 258 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about grief and you're like, go date. It's 259 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: barely been a year. She could have literally just tried 260 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: to sit down and think about what her life without 261 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: even dating involved. Maybe how she hopes it will look 262 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: like she didn't have to go out, and yeah, don't 263 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: ask somebody. And that's the same conversation, was like, why 264 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: can't women just be single? Why is this push still 265 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: your show, still pushing this narrator that to be happy 266 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: you have to be with someone, So you pushed her 267 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: to date when she wasn't ready. That's really unfair And 268 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: every way, what if she's fine after losing her husband 269 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: being alone, Why can't that just be Yeah? And I think, 270 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: and we talked about it in our Widowhood Effect episode. 271 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: A lot of women have said after their husband dies, 272 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: in this very heteronormative sense, that they just don't want, 273 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: like they're not interested in pursuing anyone else. And that's fine, 274 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: and it it upsets because my mom is kind of 275 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: in the situation. I've had this conversation with her several 276 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: times where she feels like, to me, she's having she 277 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: thinks she has to justify that she's alone and doesn't 278 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: want to date anymore, where as I'm like, no, that's good. 279 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: You sound happy, that's great. Be happy, yes, or what 280 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: be sad? If you can maintain and be sad, that's 281 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: where you are, that's okay too. Morning is not a 282 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: bad thing, right, No, not at all. Nora's being alone, 283 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: I think it is. I remember because you and I 284 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: when we did our original episode on the first two 285 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: of this series, you had said like, I'm hoping for Carrie, 286 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: like she finds that she doesn't have to have a 287 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: man in her life. And I remember when she went 288 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: to physical therapy and she was like that physical therapist 289 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: is hot. I was like, oh no, I mean like yeah, 290 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: definitely was speaking of physical tappy going back to it. 291 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: So I did see big life. I don't know how 292 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: I felt about it. The hip surgery, which turned out 293 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: to be just a normal thing and not necessarily her 294 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: being old, and that's fine. I think that's so many people. 295 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: I think all of us are accepting things that as 296 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: being old when the actuality, hey, that could be fixed, 297 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: so fix it. As well as the little facelift bit 298 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: set a lot to society. And I did really like 299 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: that they were like using her as the focal point 300 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: for this because she is the more iconic one in 301 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: that like her looks, her fashion, but you know all 302 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, I feel there were so many things 303 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: on this show that I was torn about, and I 304 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: think that's actually that's not a bad thing necessarily, because 305 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: there are things when we talk about feminism I get 306 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: torn about. But that was one where I was like, 307 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: I don't think you need it, but she really wanted. 308 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: Like I was coming back and forth, right, well, why 309 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: do you want this thing? Just because this guy said 310 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: that maybe this male doctor was like we could do this. 311 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just I was very torned 312 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: about it. And I have friends that have gotten cosmetic surgery, 313 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: and I feel, yes, I have, and I feel it's 314 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: the same where I'm like, it's your decision, it's your body, right, 315 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: you do you exactly, Like I don't want to judge 316 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: you for it. I'm just I hate that we live 317 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: in a world wherein people feel they have to do that. 318 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: I think you can still do it and just want 319 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: to do it, and that's really cool. It's so societal 320 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: pressures that's touch aways that thing. And just by the way, 321 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: it was Jonathan Groth, who that's right. I was trying 322 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: to remember who it was. Who we've seen in Matrix 323 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: and he's a glee and he's a Broadway musical person 324 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: like Tony Award winning I believe, like so, he's fairly famous. 325 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: So when I saw him on that, I was like, well, 326 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: he's just popping up everywhere, is it? He how adorable? Yeah? 327 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: He was the cosmetic surgeon. Yeah. Yes. I also thought 328 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: that that was wonderful in that they were talking about it. 329 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: She never makes a decision, he does the whole three 330 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: D thing, and she does have that moment. It did 331 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: look like her from like I don't know. They just 332 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: took a picture and they're like, here, you use this 333 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: as the three D model quote unquote, but it's actually 334 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: just a picture of you when you were in your 335 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: twenties early thirties, And it was quite quite interesting. I 336 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: also found it interesting that he had a different perspective 337 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: for the dude yeah and for her. Now, don't get 338 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: me wrong, people aged differently, People aged and look differently. 339 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: I think he's I don't know if he was younger 340 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: or not. Anthony came in season three, so they're all 341 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: around the same age and then talking about that. I 342 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: did fine, that interesting and I don't know that was 343 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: purposeful on the expectation and who is actually going to 344 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: buy it? Yeah, well I do. I think it's interesting too. 345 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I could be reading way too deep into this, 346 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: but I felt like it was a almost a meta 347 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: nod of like we could just do what the show 348 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: had been where they looked like this, or we could 349 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: not do that around and trying to do something different. 350 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting. Uh so, yes, I 351 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: did too. So I don't know if they're gonna come 352 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: back to it, talk about it what not. Who knows. 353 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: There was also the conversation about again dating, and we 354 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: talked about this and she finally does date towards the 355 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: end of the episodes. I did find it funny that 356 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: they got really drunk and just got sick. I've been there. 357 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: I've been there, necessarily sick with a date, but necessarily 358 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: but I had to drink. And that's a whole different 359 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: conversation that we were like, why do we need to 360 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: do this? This is like, yes, it could go bordering 361 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: on alcoholism in self worth and all of that, but 362 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: I've definitely been like I need a glass of champagne 363 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: before I go and meet this dude. I need a 364 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: shot of tequila before I need to meet this dude, 365 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: because I was so so dervous. Of course, they were like, 366 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: to get past this, we just need to be drunk. 367 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: I did find relatable. I didn't feel sad for the 368 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: dude because I really want this one perspective to stop 369 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: happening in TVs. He asked to kiss her. She saw 370 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: that and to decide that we need to stop that 371 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: as a society. Hey, producers, hey writers, stop it, because 372 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: not only do you perpetuate this whole narrative of manliness 373 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: and alpha mel and taking charge, you are taking away 374 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: that voice of victims who are like, no, yeah, you, 375 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: we need consent. So I was really angry about that. 376 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: I hate that trope so much, and it happens so often, 377 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: happened a new Girl, it happened so still today that 378 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I get what you're saying to a point, 379 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: but let's not highlight it, because you also negate the 380 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: fact that these relationships and this chemistry exists, and when 381 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: you see it on screen as portrayed as this, that 382 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: takes that whole narrative away. It's just like, oh, he 383 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: just grabbed me, because by the way, I've been kissed 384 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: by a guy I didn't want to kiss I turned 385 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: my face and he thought I was just playing, and 386 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: he kissed me again, and I was like, I'll never 387 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: call you again because I try to give you a sign. 388 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: You didn't listen and you kept going because you believe 389 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: these narratives that girls are playing hard to get. Yeah, 390 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: And it adds to the the kind of like right 391 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: wing news media being saying consent is taking all the 392 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: romance out of relationship, where that if somebody stops and 393 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: checks in to make sure everything's cool, that that's not romantic. 394 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: I happen to think that's extremely romantic. I thought it 395 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: was super sweet because he also was the one that 396 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: went away from him and said I don't want I 397 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: can't do this right now. Yeah. No, I mean in 398 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: my head, like even if I feel like where they 399 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: fell down is even if she didn't think it was 400 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: romantic or sexy because she's still thinking about big or 401 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: they didn't have a chemistry, whatever, I thought that was 402 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: like that was the only thing he could and should do, 403 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: and especially after they've both been through this very traumatic 404 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: things like just checking in is a nice thing to do, 405 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: is what someone should do, right, Like I just okay, yeah, 406 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: that's just anybody for I know, maybe we don't have 407 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: many producers, big wigs there, but if you are listening, 408 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: please stop, please stop. As a victim of sexual assault, 409 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: as a victim of trauma and molestation, please stop. Yeah, 410 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: who can't figure out how to say it in my 411 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: own words? Sometimes right right, right right? And I think 412 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: that's it's an important conversation, even in there have been 413 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: times where I don't know and when someone asked me, 414 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: I kind of like panic, But that I think the 415 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: panic is part of the answer. You don't want to 416 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't feel like you can say no exactly exactly. 417 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: So hello, both of those things. But that's the thing is, 418 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 1: like you say, it's not romantic, but maybe you know, 419 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: the part of the thing is we still don't feel 420 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: safe enough to say no exactly. But if I I've 421 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: always appreciated, you know, when someone is like legitimately honestly 422 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: asking and clearly wants to know, And I think that's 423 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: just very very I'd say eat, but it should just 424 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: be the norm if it was, Yeah, we shouldn't have 425 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: to be but it is because that's just where we are. 426 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, I did find that interesting that she did 427 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: how to do this the sites. I was like, Okay, 428 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: here we go, let's let's go. They didn't really talk 429 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: too much about what sight he's on. I was wondering, 430 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie as a person in the past. Like, 431 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: there's so many dating sites? Which one did you? Did 432 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: you use? The really a fancy one that you have 433 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: to be on a wait list for a year? Yeah? 434 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: That was that was interesting just to wonder about her 435 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: being out and about on the dating sites because the 436 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: show is just the The original show was from such 437 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: a different time frame through a period of dating, so 438 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: that was interesting to see these kind of like modern 439 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: updates too, what dating looks like. I would love to 440 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: seeing Sam on Oh my gosh, that is the show 441 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: in itself. Speaking of I feel like one of the 442 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: biggest life changes that I've seen in the show would 443 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: have to be Miranda. So let's talk about her for 444 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: a minute. Do you have five word description or just 445 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: at least a theme for her? I wanted the five 446 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: word one. Okay, she has she has an awakening. Um, 447 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: she has like a journey where she's sort of opening 448 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: her eyes to a lot of different issues. I don't 449 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: want to describe it as a midlife crisis, but it's 450 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: a midlife reevaluating. Yeah, maybe she's coming into herself. So 451 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 1: that one of the big Like there was a lot 452 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: of controversy in this, it wasn't so much carry. It 453 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: was a lot to do with Miranda, a lot to 454 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: do with Cha, a lot to do with Steve. And 455 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about all of those right now because 456 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: I found it interesting. Of course, we know that Miranda 457 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: decided to be a student. She left, and her reasoning 458 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: was after the me to March or the Women's March, 459 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: after the election, she wanted to do something go And 460 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: by the way, she was a partner in a giant, 461 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: giant law firm, making a lot of money. And we've 462 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: seen her work her entire sex in the city life. 463 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: We'll leave that to this point. And she was one 464 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: of the ones who was like talking about not being 465 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: ashamed for being a woman who makes money and is 466 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: able to afford things on her own. And they're like, amen, 467 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: you do you so now we see here stop and 468 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: she is now coming into becoming a student again. Really 469 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: cringe moments with the professor, which literally comes into them 470 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: being close friends and confidence to each other. I felt 471 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: that was a little weird. I know they were trying 472 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: to bring in some more storylines with the professor, but 473 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: still kind of odd. Um. I do love that the 474 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: narrative with that storyline was the professor didn't want to 475 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: have children, um, and going back and forth about what 476 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: was best for her and marriage. By the way, that 477 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: was also another storyline for Charlotte. So Charlotte had that 478 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: storyline and it was she wanted desperately to have children, 479 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: the husband didn't care, and so we see the flip role. 480 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: I did like that. I did. I did like that 481 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: narrative being what it was. It was really interesting to 482 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: see the and we'll talk about this later. I think 483 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: the dual characters, the new character with Charlotte Lisa Todd Wesley, 484 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: you know that the comparison to the two of them, 485 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know, like if that was purposeful, I 486 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: don't know what that looks like. I will say it 487 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: did feel real off like they were really trying to 488 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: be relevant when it comes to black women being part 489 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: of the community and part of the conversation. They still 490 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: felt like side characters, and they were still side characters, 491 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: which was really interesting because Lisa was originally introduced as 492 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: if she was going to be one of the four, 493 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: and I feel like, yeah, that I don't know how. 494 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if this could have been an easy 495 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: transition or not. That's a whole different thing. We'll talk 496 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: about that minute. But it's Nia as well. She was 497 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: never introduced as uh, one of the one the new 498 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: you know sets, but she has become her own plotline, 499 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: her own storyline and then and I think it was 500 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: a good narrative. Still unquestionable, and maybe it's just me 501 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: being like being overly aware of the situation and trying 502 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: to really watch what's happening and wondering how many black 503 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: writers were in the writing room. I'm sure I'm going 504 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: to credit that they did have a few, but still 505 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: did they get their voices heard? That's a question I 506 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: do have about the show. Same thing with the queer community. 507 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: I know, obviously the creator h is a part of 508 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: the queer community, cythey and Nixon obviously is a queer woman, 509 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Mario kenttone all of them, But like all these things, 510 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: like how many writers came in? Did we try too hard? 511 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: Because I'm not gonna lie the character of Cha who 512 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: is a non binary queer person, and they call themselves 513 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: a narcissist, and they don't really put Marianda into the 514 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: narrative as much as you think, even though they say 515 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: they're in love with her. So it's kind of like, Okay, 516 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: what when they make the announcement they're moving to California, 517 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: they do it in front of everyone without actually talking 518 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: to them privately and leaving the next week, Like it's 519 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: just this really weird level, like m hm. And also 520 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: I don't love that Miranda has to have the affair 521 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: flippantly with a non binary, polyamorous, like very open person 522 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: who kind of feeds into that whole unicorn or like 523 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: that whole i'm gonna steal your person trope. And I 524 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: don't think they meant that on purpose, because we see 525 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: later on that chain is very upset. It doesn't want 526 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: to be they called themselves. They're like, I'm not gonna 527 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: be a home wrecker. That's not me. You need to 528 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: figure it out. But at the beginning of this whole, 529 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: like it's kind of already a toxic view then that community, 530 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: and I really hated that to be part of this conversation, 531 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what you do think Again, I think 532 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: I was very shielded from a lot of things because 533 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: I didn't have to like I don't have yet all 534 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: the seasons behind me. So I know people were really 535 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: angry with this character. I would say I was definitely like, 536 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: it's not great decisions. Uh. They also like leave the 537 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: podcast kind of suddenly with everybody else, like hey, goodbye peace. 538 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: I actually do get the whole superstitious I'm not gonna 539 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: tell anyone first, but there's a certain point where you've 540 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: got to it does feel more like the fame and 541 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: kind of excitement of career and and all of the 542 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: attention was more important to Chay than the people in 543 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: their life. I think. I guess what I'm trying to 544 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: say is I agree with most of the criticisms. I'm 545 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: just not as mad about right. Yeah. Yeah. And I 546 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: think a part of that too is I haven't seen 547 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: all of the years of Miranda with Steve, and I 548 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: don't know if I would changed anything or not. But 549 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: I don't have like all this stuff already, you know 550 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: what I mean. I did think that what you said 551 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: about like there was I thought that and this maybe 552 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: this is my own prejudices or maybe this was my 553 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: own like then playing on what we all kind of 554 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: been told. But I did think they were building up 555 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: to Jay was going to be in multiple relationships and 556 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: Miranda kind of broke everything off not realizing that, and 557 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: then she would have to come to terms with those 558 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: She's okay with it or not. It was kind of 559 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: leading up to that or that Chay, which was cheating 560 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: on Miranda. I don't know, so like some levels, so 561 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really appreciate that, even though I get because 562 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: she in the end, in the end they worked as 563 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: far as we know, are trying to cheat. No, they 564 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: said that that that Miranda was the only one they 565 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: were sleeping with, so they did make that right, So, 566 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: like I guess, it just sort of it did make 567 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: me a little. I get, we're playing into these tropes 568 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: because their troops and we're kind of flipping them, but 569 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: we're still playing into them. So back to Steve, that 570 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: was a big thing. So you haven't seen all of 571 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: this yet, but it was, as Steve said, he broke 572 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: up with her because he felt like he wasn't enough, 573 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: and then they got back together and then she broke 574 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: up with him because he was too he wasn't enough, 575 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: like he wasn't getting his life together. And then they 576 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: had a child together because they had pity sex essentially, 577 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: and then it came to, oh, we do love each other, 578 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: let's do this. So it was this whole build up, 579 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: build up, build up. So that's the awkward part. It's like, yeah, okay, 580 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: it's one thing if you guys stuck in a marriage 581 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: um way back when, and you just felt stuck. But 582 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: it was his whole back and forth, and Miranda has 583 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: never been tied down. They were going to have the baby, 584 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: They had the baby outside of marriage. They weren't in 585 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: a relationship. She was dating someone completely different okay in 586 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: the story. So it kind of was like, all right, 587 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: you build this up to be him being the love 588 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: of her life again and then uninhibited as an adult, 589 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: really not caring about sexuality, not caring about any of that. 590 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: As in fact, we saw the episode where she says yep, 591 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: not gay when she tries to kiss a woman that 592 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: would have helped her career. So it's kind of all 593 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: these things and I'm like, okay, these are these don't 594 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: lay out have watching just that, And but again you 595 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: can be madly in love with someone, but things change. 596 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's the one thing that they did 597 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: do well enough that people are still angry about is 598 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: that Mariana doesn't say she's a lesbian. She never says 599 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm out, as she never says she's queer. She says, 600 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: I love chain. In the story, they make me feel 601 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: completely different and completely new, which could be a whole 602 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: different thing of like, well, this could be a crisis 603 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: in itself, but that doesn't mean you're not unhappy, and 604 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: maybe things do need to change because as you say, 605 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: like things have changed and you're in a stalemate and 606 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: you want something different than what he wants. In the story, 607 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: I didn't love the whole Steve say that he's not 608 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: going to find anyone else. I wanted him to find 609 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: someone else because he is an endearingly sweet man. Don't 610 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: get me wrong. He cheats on her at one point. 611 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: That's another conversation. So all of that to say is 612 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: like there's just back and forth on that as well. 613 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: So Steve got played dirty. I didn't like that he 614 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: finally get God to tell her everything. I feel like 615 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: there should have been a little more turmoil in a 616 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: in a life that built so hard um and for 617 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: him it was obviously more so than her. Maybe they're 618 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: saving it up for the next season if it gets renewed, 619 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: who knows. But there was a lot of conversation and 620 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: a lot of anger about that, and I get that 621 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: because of all the guys on there, Steve and Harry 622 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: are the ones that you want to root. Yeah, this 623 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: is It's really interesting for me because I I'm a 624 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: firm believer that it totally totally sucks, but sometimes people 625 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: just don't feel the same way about each other. And 626 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: because you want people to be happy like you want 627 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: them if someone loves you, and I've been in this relationship, 628 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: someone loves you and you don't love them back, and 629 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: maybe you want to love them back, and maybe you 630 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: try to convince yourself you love them back, but sometimes 631 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: you don't. And that's sad because you might like each other, 632 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: you might even really care about each other, it's just 633 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: not the same. And I get why people are pissed 634 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: about that, because it sucks. It does, it hurts, but 635 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: it's also real, Like I get what they're saying when 636 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: they see the character and they're like, you built this 637 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: character up to be this, and they did. They did, 638 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: and then they significantly changed it, but that also does happen. 639 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: That does. Then another big criticism in the show was 640 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 1: her alcoholism, and it was really interesting called so much 641 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: of this, Samantha, we called so much of this in 642 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: our first like what we thought would happen. We nailed it, 643 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: so yes, please talk about this. Yeah. So at the 644 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: very first a few episodes, Samantha and I were like, huh, 645 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: I wonder they kind of seemed to be hinting that 646 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: Miranda is an alcoholic, but it was kind of it 647 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: was in a way where I'm like, maybe she's just stressed, 648 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: and they're trying to say she's stressed, which I'm not saying, 649 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: like alcoholism and stress very related. But then I think 650 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: the episode where Charlotte opened the bag and they were 651 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: all those like small bottles of vodkas, like oh boy, um. 652 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: So it was a kind of shocking reveal because basically 653 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: Chain and Miranda had sex in Carrie's kitchen while Carrie 654 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: I just was recovering from surgery, so your mind was 655 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of like on that, and Miranda was high and 656 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: drunk at the time, so I guess like in my 657 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: head that was the big focus and them, and Miranda 658 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: realizes she'd been drunk ordering books on how to quit drinking, 659 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: or at least one book on how to quit drinking 660 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: as a woman, which, by the way, I thought was 661 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: how to quit your job as a woman. I totally 662 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: misinterpreted that. But anyway, so she pours out all the 663 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: alcohol and says, you know what, if I have a 664 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: she told carry, if I have a problem, you know 665 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: I can stop. So she pours out all of her 666 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: alcohol in her house, and then it's showing on the 667 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: several locations after that she's drinking and non alcoholic. They 668 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: they kind of mentioned like, oh yeah, but yeah, she 669 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: just kind of like up and quits, which it's hard 670 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: hard to do, so I did. Like, no one talks 671 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: about it, no one looks at it, no one talks 672 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: about her going to a a nothing. It literally is. 673 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: She accuses her friend of standing her a book about alcoholism, 674 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: having sex in the kitchen, and not helping her friend 675 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: who she is there for, which, by the way, some 676 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: people have said, and you haven't seen this episode yet, 677 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, in which Miranda throws her back out. 678 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: He's lying on the floor of a bathroom naked because 679 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: you can't get up called carry for help, carryson's boyfriend 680 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: who sees her completely naked, and so they're like, this 681 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: is revenge from Miranda for this, which I did find funny. 682 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: That was a tweet that I was like, yeah, that 683 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: might be right awkward again. It was really kind of like, Okay, 684 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: come on, guys, this is that trophy bit of like hey, 685 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: why why because I don't think Jay whatever romance happens, sure, sure, sure, 686 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: but whatever, okay, very trophy sex scene. I felt like 687 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: it was really like unnecessary sex sex scene. Of course, 688 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: they'd like to make things as cringe e and as 689 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: awkward as possible, so this is how they pushed it 690 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: out of felt very chopy. Didn't love it, but I 691 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: will say so that began her like, oh my god, 692 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: I am drinking too much. I essentially had my friend, 693 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, p on herself because I didn't hear her 694 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: ask for help after a hip surgery when I swore 695 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: I would be there for her. And by the way, yeah, 696 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: I feel like Harry's characters are really Judge mcgufferson in 697 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: comparison to but I guess this is one of the 698 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: moments like hey, you have a husband, what are you doing? 699 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: What are you doing? So all that breaks down to okay, 700 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: and her coming to making herself a nice little drink 701 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: and then realizing she sent her book to herself and 702 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: she just didn't know this and she was so drunk 703 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: that that's that's her wake up. Homes like that was 704 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 1: the wake up. That was right, that was the wake up. 705 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: Cal right, okay, still whatever, I guess, And then all 706 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden, she's drinking alcohol free wine and everybody's okay, congratulations, 707 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: no more conversation, right right. Like I said, when that 708 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: first came out, there were there was a lot of 709 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: this show has been mixed reactions all around, but when 710 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: that first came out, I saw some people saying, no, 711 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: this is I'm glad they're talking about it. We need 712 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: to talk about it because especially after we did that 713 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: like pandemic one. But she Miranda even says like women 714 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: with children started drinking more, and so a lot of 715 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: mothers were saying, oh my god, I relate to this. 716 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: But then it was kind of like, yeah, like, all right, 717 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: that's done that, we checked that box. She's drinking this 718 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: non alcoholic stuff now, so that one's good. I guess 719 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: it's interesting they addressed it, but they didn't really maybe, 720 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they kind of did the bare minimum, 721 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: and maybe that would have been a different show. I 722 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: don't know, but it's not. It's definitely not easy. Although 723 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: they were there were like six months, there were six 724 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: months between some of the episode. I can't remember where 725 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: that fell, but yeah, I mean it may have been 726 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: it may have been a big time jump. But still, 727 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: like they didn't talk about it. They didn't talk about 728 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: what she did, how she stopped, or you know, any 729 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: of that. That's kind of like, right, did we just 730 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: glaze over a really hot top? Okay? Okay, but Miranda 731 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: leaving for California with Jay, which by the way, kind 732 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: of happened at the Cliffhanger in one of the seasons 733 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: for Carrie leaving for Paris, and Miranda is the one 734 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:21,479 Speaker 1: that objects to her moving pretty harshly, saying, to the point, 735 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're leaving your life for a man. So 736 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like, where do we 737 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: see this? Not that we don't want her to be happy, 738 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: but she's giving up this huge internship. Apparently that's really 739 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: hard to get that. Naya, her professor, went out on 740 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: a limb for her changing her life to go for 741 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: a pilot, right for a show that was compared to Rosanne, Right, 742 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: and you know, nothing against pilots, but like a lot 743 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 1: of them don't get tip right. Yeah, that was another 744 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: thing I was talking about. It was kind of a 745 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: kin to the facial like the face lift, where I'm like, yes, 746 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: I want you to go be happy and you can 747 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: pursue love and that's great, but also you have this 748 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: like to have opportunity that's really good job opportunity. I 749 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: don't know why if it's only a couple of months, 750 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: and I don't want to diminish their relationship, but they 751 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: haven't known each other super long, why they can't like 752 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: do it virtually at least for a few months and 753 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: then see if Jay is still out there, then you 754 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: can move right, Like there's there's a lot to be like, Okay, 755 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: we get being spontaneous, but maybe this is building up 756 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: to having the crisis and seeing that who knows. But 757 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: we come background to Charlotte. Charlotte is probably the most 758 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: stable and the most like our character still, I feel 759 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: like because not I mean Carrie too, because Carrie has 760 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: that whole like going back and forth with her love, life, 761 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: loss of love, all this thing. But Charlie and Harry 762 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: are going down a different route with their children. What 763 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: did you think about all that? I thought it was, Uh, 764 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: it was very interesting. There were definitely some trophy stuff 765 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,720 Speaker 1: they did that I was like, well, I we should 766 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: do that, But it was I like that they addressed it, 767 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: I guess, and I was funny. It made me laugh 768 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: when TikTok came up and that's how Charlotte's non binary 769 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: child announced they were non binary and they were going 770 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: by the name Brock, like this was news to Charlotte. 771 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: That kind of made me laugh. I appreciated that. It 772 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: was interesting, I guess to see Charlotte trying to navigate 773 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: all this stuff as a mother, and it's clear to 774 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: me that she motherhood is very important to her, but 775 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: also is this kind of like outside appearance of what 776 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: her family looks like. But she to me, it did 777 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: feel like she genuinely was clumsily or not trying to 778 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: learn and listen and do the best that she could. 779 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: That they missed the the end cracked me up. That 780 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: was one of this quing moment like nope, I can't 781 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: absolutely not absolutely not. Yeah, I found it interesting that 782 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: she was so aware of everything and so delicate to everything. 783 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: But her last straw was the tampons, right, like she 784 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: lost it over that. I'm like, wait, wait, you're gonna 785 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: be okay with the fact that you just threw thousands 786 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: of dollars for this party, for your girl to become 787 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: a part of like ethnic custom for her family that 788 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: she has poured herself into. But she's not okay with 789 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: her the girl freaking out about losing a tampon in 790 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: her vagina. What I felt like that. I don't know 791 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: if they meant to do this the writers, but I 792 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: felt like it was a you know, building of oh 793 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: my god, I have all this stress. But also she's 794 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: on her period because I don't have. People don't know. 795 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: But the big reveal Charlotte thought she'd been through menopause, 796 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: was not going to have a period again. Like White Overalls. 797 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: I was trying to tell her daughter Lily like figure 798 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: this tampo. Like she was very patient for a long time, 799 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: but then she finally reached in and was like, you 800 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: gotta favor this out by yourself, kind of storms away 801 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: and as she is bleeding once again. So I don't know, 802 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what they were trying to if 803 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: it was just a very stressful thing, or if it 804 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a commentary on her period 805 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: emotions in quotes, I mean menopause and all that and 806 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: are being smug and it was very much to a character. 807 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: It was interesting again, like all of those things that 808 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, was that okay? That wasn't that okay? Cool? 809 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: Cool cool? Whatever? Yeah, Like I like that that they 810 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: have a trans rabbi and they were trying to do 811 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: all these different things and then having this conversation, then 812 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: the character of Anthony be like coming in and handling 813 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: things for everyone, which he did kind of replace Stanford 814 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 1: because of the death and by the way, so I 815 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: was very upset about the way they handled I think 816 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: that was one of my biggest obsesses, the way they 817 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,879 Speaker 1: handled Stanford in the series, and that did read an 818 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: interview with Michael Patrick king that the reason they did 819 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: that was because they couldn't do it. They could not 820 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: write about him. They did not have the heart or 821 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: the mental capacity or emotional capacity to write about him. 822 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: So they did something really flip it and just pushed 823 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: it to the back burner because they did not have 824 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: time to process them more. So that explains a lot 825 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: more to me. But I really did not love Stanford 826 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: being dismissed as this dude having a midlife crisis and 827 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: left everyone. He's never been that self righteous in any way, like, 828 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: so I felt like that was a whole different conversation 829 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: between the two of them. I thought Anthony would have 830 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: been the one that that would have left Stanford be like, 831 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm done with this because he was very judgmental a 832 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: Stanford from the jump. So I was very upset about that. 833 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: Like Stanford was one of the most endearing characters who 834 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: really loved and doated on everyone. A little bit of 835 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: jealousy of friendship jealousy, yes, but not anything outside of that. 836 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: But understanding that they were so heartbroken after his death 837 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: they just couldn't even address it, that made a lot 838 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: more sense to me. So I did appreciate that they 839 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: were very forthcoming and that made me like appreciate what 840 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 1: they were doing as much as they could with that. 841 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: But I do feel like we were lacking a little bit. 842 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: But but the character of Anthony tried to pick up 843 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: some of that with a very heavy hated uh no 844 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: to it. There's a few other things I didn't want 845 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: to talk about again, Like I don't know if Lisa 846 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,359 Speaker 1: Wexley's character was intended to become the new Samantha or not, 847 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: or just be the secondary character for Charlotte again. I 848 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: know that they were trying, but I don't feel like 849 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: margin Lat's people were as representative as well as they 850 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: could have. I don't know if they could have, or 851 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: if they just really tried and try to add too 852 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: much and became too trophy because they were doing too much. 853 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's something that's like if 854 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: I had degraded graded a C for that, if I 855 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: had degrade for like life experiences, I would agree you 856 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: to be I think that. I think I absolutely like 857 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: a minus B plus because I think it does hit 858 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: to that and that includes the relationship with Sam and 859 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: then communicating again like it does. It's a slow build 860 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,839 Speaker 1: when you fall off and whatever may be the reason 861 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: of falling off again. I was trying to explain to 862 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: someone recently. I was like, yeah, I lost the best friend. 863 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: We were close, we were close, and all of a sudden, 864 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: within a year we stopped talking completely, like no birthdays, 865 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: no nothing. I thought everything was okay, sent her a text. 866 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: I got ignored and I was told pretty much to 867 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: leave her alone, and I was like, what just happened. 868 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but okay, that's what happened. Um, 869 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: and she was my best friends through college, through high school, 870 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: through middle school. So it just broke apart like that. 871 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: And then I saw some things that you posted on 872 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: Facebook and I was like, oh, hell no, we came friends. Yeah, yeah, 873 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: you know, the stuff like that. So things like that, 874 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of like it happens. I I know, people 875 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,359 Speaker 1: were like, this isn't that way, and people probably were 876 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: more sensitive because it did feel like we were only 877 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: seeing Sarah Jessica Parker's perspective and we could not pull 878 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: that apart necessarily. But I feel like they did like 879 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: everything Sam did. Everything that Sam's response, even though it 880 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: was very like minimal, was really respectful to Sam's character 881 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: and seemingly on point. Yeah. I mean, I think it's 882 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 1: hard because the you're always kind of questioning the real 883 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: life aspect of this, but in terms of the fictional series, 884 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: which I get is very hard to split apart in 885 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: your mind and sometimes should be hard in my opinions, 886 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: But I did like that. It was clearly it was 887 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: that slow build and it was difficult, like it wasn't 888 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: just going to be fixed. But I kind of liked 889 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: that it ended with Carrie dumping big ashes and then 890 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,360 Speaker 1: contacting Sam and Sam being like, yeah, let's meet. I 891 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: felt like she's like, you know, losing this person, but 892 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: then kind of regaining hopefully or at least, you know, 893 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,839 Speaker 1: some kind of closure. Perhaps. Yeah, she's never coming back 894 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: on the show. We know that pretty clearly, which, by 895 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: the way, isn't legal to dump ashes. Oh, I know 896 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,399 Speaker 1: a lot about like we can't go into this right now, 897 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: but no, not really. That was at the back of 898 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: my head the entire time. I was like, first of all, 899 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,080 Speaker 1: that's public. Why and that's very public Why she was 900 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: in that dress. That's like yeah, yes, and again it's 901 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: supposed to be romantic and all of that. But I'm like, 902 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: maybe do like small, small handful. Yeah, yeah, this seems 903 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: really only goal if people don't know you can't just 904 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: do that generally, Okay, I'm sorry to kill that moment. 905 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: The entire time I was watching that, I was like, way, 906 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: is that even legal? It's some places it kind of is, 907 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: but generally you should at least check and I had 908 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,800 Speaker 1: a friend I went through this with a couple of 909 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 1: years back. It's there's more rules around it than you 910 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,400 Speaker 1: might think. Perhaps you probably already know. Yeah, well, and 911 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,839 Speaker 1: here's the other thing that I was like, the podcasting, 912 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: but the podcasting, but we had to talk. We have 913 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: to talk about it. I'm like, there's so many moments 914 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 1: of them, like trying to do live, y'all. We are 915 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: edited like nobody's business when it comes to me and 916 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: my many mistakes, the amount of splicing that happens with me, 917 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that I think I've talked about this. 918 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: Our old producer Andrew sent me like a little outtake 919 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,919 Speaker 1: how many times I would just be like cursing because 920 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: I could not say a word, and the entire time 921 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: to reset to say a sentence or a phrase or 922 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: whatever I'm trying to make a point in so this 923 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,880 Speaker 1: whole like there that that they're sitting there their radio hosts, 924 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,319 Speaker 1: it's not podcasting. I'm very confused. Yeah, yeah, And we 925 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 1: were talking about this, and I know we've discussed it 926 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 1: in past episodes because it has been kind of a 927 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,480 Speaker 1: thrill to see podcasting and in popular media and get 928 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,359 Speaker 1: to finally be like, no, no, that's not what it's like. 929 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 1: I do. I feel like personally that is the radio 930 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: show that they're doing. But I know we have shows 931 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: on the network I do that, so it is possible. 932 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,879 Speaker 1: It is a thing. It just feels to me very 933 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: different from what most of podcasting looks like. Right well, 934 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: when they have to sit there and just sit there 935 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: and stare at her and then awkwardly make up for her, 936 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: like you just cut that and start that over again, 937 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: like you, that didn't need to be that dramatic, Like, sure, 938 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,720 Speaker 1: it could be awkward in real life, but it wasn't 939 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: that dramatic as if like you had to rescue her 940 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: on radio series. It also, can we talk about the 941 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: fact that after all of that her not ready to date, 942 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: her awkward dating, she didn makes out with her producer 943 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: and y'all, here's what I gotta say, don't where you eat. 944 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 1: I don't know that's gonna believed that, but it's the thing, 945 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: Like I that's been one of my number one rules 946 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,719 Speaker 1: is like I will not date within someone that I 947 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: am going to have close proximity with and making it 948 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: awkward for everyone else. But like I was just like, girl, 949 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: you just started a new podcast and you won't make 950 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: out with him. Yeah, So essentially it ends because it's 951 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: the hopeful built right Carrie. Yeah, it's finally the hopeful bit. 952 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: There's kind of like implied maybe she would go for 953 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: this teacher guy, but then they had that bad kiss 954 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: and then anyway, it ends with Carrie starting her own podcast, 955 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: which seems to be a call in show um sort 956 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,760 Speaker 1: of like her column used to be, and she kisses 957 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: her podcast producer and I knew like when it half, 958 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, the build up of 959 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,880 Speaker 1: them like staring longly at each other at the wedding 960 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: of her other co host, Bobby Lee's character where they 961 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: get married, which is really cute by the way, her 962 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: ALBHM was phenomenal. Friends, Oh my god, I loved it. 963 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 1: But I was just like, no, don't do this. Why 964 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 1: would you put this in a workplace proximity, don't do this? 965 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, to me, it felt like, I mean not 966 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: only that, but because there had been no previous they 967 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,960 Speaker 1: barely talked. Yeah, they've been as the audience at the 968 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: very least, we had not seen any kind of we 969 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,320 Speaker 1: hadn't seen their relationship build, Like maybe there was a 970 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: hint at the very last thing they said before she 971 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 1: started her podcast, but there wasn't anything to build up 972 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: to it. So it was just like it felt to 973 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: me like they were like, see, she's happy, she's with 974 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,440 Speaker 1: the man, all is good, and like you're happy with 975 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,839 Speaker 1: a man, it could have been fine, and now you're 976 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,399 Speaker 1: just kind of putting shoving him in this position. Why 977 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,359 Speaker 1: can't you just let her be alone and be happy? Right? 978 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: I think it would have been very powerful. She's just 979 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: having these meaningful calls on this mysterious podcast of hers 980 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: with people and feels good and like that she can 981 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,880 Speaker 1: help people in that way, and she's feeling more confident 982 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: in her work, and then maybe she finds somebody. Let's 983 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: put it in this term, let's have it where the 984 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: ending is Seema, which we did not talk about. Who 985 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 1: is I believe in the Indian character Dulla the whole thing. 986 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I want to go to there too. 987 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,359 Speaker 1: They have a whole conversation about cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation, 988 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,279 Speaker 1: which I think is important too, very like glazed over, 989 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: move on. It's Carrie, who knows She's a phenomenal character 990 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: who I think do exist. There's so many people that 991 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 1: we know that are have been and still seeking for love. 992 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: And that's not a bad thing either, as long as 993 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: you're not miserable or are doing things that are unhealthy 994 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,799 Speaker 1: to try to find that love. It's okay, that's fine too. 995 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: That's who you are and that's what you want. That's 996 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing as well. And so I think that 997 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 1: character is believable. I do like her calling out Carrie, 998 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: who's like, you're being insensitive and Carrie and she's like, 999 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,719 Speaker 1: you're being insensive to me, but you had love, you know, 1000 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,880 Speaker 1: how did you know? Like all these things that I 1001 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,319 Speaker 1: do like that perspective where they call each other out. 1002 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,240 Speaker 1: She's a phenomenal new character. Don't love that she smokes, 1003 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,000 Speaker 1: but you know, people smoke. We know this. She finds 1004 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,320 Speaker 1: the dude who's a club owner. That's a whole different 1005 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: conversation in itself. But in my ending, yes, instead of 1006 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: her making out with a producer that she's working with, 1007 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 1: she should have been in her new apartment or in 1008 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,879 Speaker 1: her apartment just chilling and feeling relaxed and comfortable being 1009 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,960 Speaker 1: whole in a new place. That would have been just 1010 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: as good. Yeah, And we didn't, I mean, clearly We 1011 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: had a lot to say, and we didn't even talk 1012 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: about as she kind of moves into her old place 1013 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,280 Speaker 1: and that and the new the young younger girl. Yes, 1014 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: the neighbors being old and being the witch calling like 1015 00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 1: how she lives. That wasn't me. I wasn't asleep. Yeah, yeah, 1016 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, I agree. I think that would have been 1017 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,239 Speaker 1: a good And I was kind of hoping it was 1018 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 1: going to lean that way when it sort of felt 1019 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:13,319 Speaker 1: like she's reconnecting with Samantha, like these the women in 1020 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,520 Speaker 1: her life, having those strong like it would focus on that. 1021 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: And it's not like this was a super strong focus, 1022 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,000 Speaker 1: but it was just kind of like it didn't need 1023 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: to be there. That's what I felt like. I totally 1024 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,600 Speaker 1: didn't need to be right. And now I'm like, wait 1025 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: a minute, your podcast is doomed. It's a podcast is now. Yes, 1026 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: And I also love like we we've got to stop 1027 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: talking about this, Samantha. But I did want to mention 1028 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 1: I did love Miranda and Nia when Nia asked Miranda 1029 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: about regret um of being a mother and not being 1030 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,520 Speaker 1: a mother, and I really liked that conversation where she's 1031 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: like almost like you're going to regret it? No, matter what, 1032 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 1: but you're also going to love it no matter what. Right. 1033 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: I think that was a great conversation to like talking 1034 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: about being a mother, because essentially Morena was not intending 1035 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:06,760 Speaker 1: to be a mom. Yeah. So I feel like I think, 1036 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of things that I 1037 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,000 Speaker 1: appreciate they addressed, and some of them they you know, 1038 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 1: this growing pains, and they didn't do super well, and 1039 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: some of them they did really well. But I feel 1040 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm glad they're trying, and I hope 1041 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: that they get better. But there are clearly a lot 1042 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 1: of conversations sparked. And that's one thing I will say 1043 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 1: about the show is it gets people talking about these things. Yeah, man, 1044 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,920 Speaker 1: it is. I think that we should have more of 1045 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: these conversations, and we should be able to critique it 1046 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 1: and have a criticism of it and hopefully make it better. 1047 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 1: And if they do have a season two, hopefully we'll 1048 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 1: see it and make it better. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 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