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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we heard about that with pigeons. I think
Speaker 5: once before there was something too about like illegal cell
Speaker 5: phones being smuggled into prisons attached to little pigeon feet.
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Speaker 3: This entire show is not going to be about El
Speaker 3: Gatto though, Free the cat. We're gonna learn about a apocalypse.
Speaker 3: We're going to catch up on some unpleasant news related
Speaker 3: to the accuser of Prince Andrew. We're going to talk
Speaker 3: about some deep stuff. Be warned to this program will
Speaker 3: contain descriptions of self harm. This may also touch on
Speaker 3: the idea of assisted suicide. Before we do any of that.
Speaker 3: What say we take a break and come back and
Speaker 3: discuss reality shows or maybe just reality. Yeah, we've returned.
Speaker 3: At this point, I think everybody in the US has
Speaker 3: heard the news, the scuttle but the rumors about the
Speaker 3: idea of the federal government starting a reality show pitting
Speaker 3: contestants against one another in hopes of getting their applications
Speaker 3: for legal status fast tracked.
Speaker 4: Yuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gross, Hunger Games.
Speaker 4: Hunger game.
Speaker 5: I mean, every time I look at the comments about this,
Speaker 5: as you can't not see people referencing the Hunger Games.
Speaker 5: And I did see actually that this was done before,
Speaker 5: I want to say, in Mexico, and it was mega
Speaker 5: unpopular and frowned upon then.
Speaker 3: And Matt, is this familiar to you as well?
Speaker 2: This is not familiar to me at all.
Speaker 3: Well, well, we'll give you the roller coaster version very quickly,
Speaker 3: since we have a lot of stories to get to
Speaker 3: the most recent announcement regarding this. Well, and there's a
Speaker 3: history to it. Okay. A while back, there was a
Speaker 3: peace run in the Daily Mail, and in that piece
Speaker 3: there were it also went to Wall Street Journal. There
Speaker 3: were these signals from the US government that they would
Speaker 3: make a they were considering creating a reality show in
Speaker 3: which immigrants in the US compete for citizenship, compete to
Speaker 3: get their paperwork, what we will call fast tracked. Most recently,
Speaker 3: the current Homeland Security Secretary, Christy nom spoke to the
Speaker 3: Senate just yesterday, as we record, and she said, look,
Speaker 3: we have no knowledge of this reality show idea. We
Speaker 3: have no idea why this is been reported. Her specific
Speaker 3: comment to the Senate's Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee
Speaker 3: was the following quote. There may have been something submitted
Speaker 3: somewhere along the line, because there are proposals pitched to
Speaker 3: the Department, but me and my executive team had no
Speaker 3: knowledge of the reality show. She added, there are no
Speaker 3: plans whatsoever to do a reality show. However, you guys,
Speaker 3: if you go back to May sixteenth, Homeland Security spokeswoman
Speaker 3: Tricia McLaughlin said on multiple occasions some weird stuff. She
Speaker 3: told The Wall Street Journal earlier that the department was
Speaker 3: considering collaborating on a TV show of exactly this nature
Speaker 3: and get this guy's deep cut. The pitch came from
Speaker 3: the same producers who made Duck Dynasty classic television.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, High Dynasty Dynasty. We got a podcast too.
Speaker 2: What is the between Duck dynasty and people wanting to
Speaker 2: have status as an American citizen.
Speaker 5: Hmm yeah, I mean it is a pretty right leaning
Speaker 5: crew there. I don't feel like they put Polo takes
Speaker 5: front and center. It's just more about like outdoors and stuff.
Speaker 5: But maybe they do, especially on the podcast. I couldn't say.
Speaker 5: I haven't listened, but it does seem like that's part
Speaker 5: of that brand.
Speaker 3: We can agree though this is a rubicon too far
Speaker 3: with bread and circuses. This is dystopian. It does sound like,
Speaker 3: based on the recent conversations with the Senate, that this
Speaker 3: is not going forward. The more speculative or perhaps cynical
Speaker 3: of us in the crowd tonight will consider the possibility
Speaker 3: that this was floated as a test balloon to see
Speaker 3: how America would react, and then when they got a
Speaker 3: when they didn't get a positive reaction, they said no, yeah,
Speaker 3: no one talked about that ever.
Speaker 5: Right, It seems like sort of part of the playbook
Speaker 5: is the floating, you know, move or the testing of boundaries.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It just it does seem to be very much part
Speaker 4: of what they're up to.
Speaker 3: The old dish gallop right there are running another good example, Yes,
Speaker 3: shut up Stephen King via his pseudonym. Also, this makes
Speaker 3: me think of again, as we accelerate toward an increasingly
Speaker 3: surreal civilization and society, it makes me think of how
Speaker 3: many other things might become something like reality shows. If
Speaker 3: you had told us when we began this strange endeavor
Speaker 3: lo those years ago, that we would be in the
Speaker 3: current situation. I don't know if we still would have
Speaker 3: done the show, but here we are. United Health investors,
Speaker 3: by the way, just sued the company United Health over
Speaker 3: its response to the murder of their former CEO, Brian Thompson.
Speaker 4: Because of its effects on the stock price. I was saying,
Speaker 4: they're not being good stewards of their you know, their bored.
Speaker 4: I'm curious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go to CBS News, Kiera Frazier says, reporting here.
Speaker 3: This proposed class action lawsuit that was filed recently in
Speaker 3: the Southern District of New York is led by one
Speaker 3: of the investors in United Healthcare, Roberto Faller, and the
Speaker 3: suit alleges that United Health artificially inflated prices when the
Speaker 3: company initially forecasts their earnings per share in December. And
Speaker 3: this is strange because look, the reason they're suing or
Speaker 3: taking legal action. Is that United Health originally said the
Speaker 3: earnings per share are going to be twenty nine dollars
Speaker 3: and fifty cents, maybe as high as thirty dollars. That's
Speaker 3: what they said in December. They said it again in January,
Speaker 3: despite the backlash of stuff we were talking about in
Speaker 3: our ev Core episode or evil Core episode. And then
Speaker 3: the investors decided to sue because United Health cut its
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five forecasts to a lower range. Not that
Speaker 3: much lower, but I guess it matters when you have
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of shares. They said, now the earning
Speaker 3: per share is going to be between twenty six dollars
Speaker 3: to twenty six dollars and fifty cents. So this company's
Speaker 3: own investors are suing it at this point.
Speaker 4: That's nuts.
Speaker 3: Not a good look.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, how often does that happen? Are the investors
Speaker 3: trying to get on the right side of history. They
Speaker 3: also talk about aggressive anti consumer tactics in their suit.
Speaker 5: Interesting, Yeah, I guess I thought of it more as
Speaker 5: a bottom line kind of move, Like I know that
Speaker 5: you can certainly remove like stockholders of a certain level,
Speaker 5: like have the ability to vote. They have some level
Speaker 5: of control they can exercise, and they could potentially, you know, petition,
Speaker 5: I guess, to have an executive.
Speaker 4: Removed for like failure to be good steward of the stock. Right,
Speaker 4: Sure this is different than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it feels like this is okay, it feels
Speaker 3: like obviously there is an issue with projected profits which
Speaker 3: always comes up with shareholders and with investors, but it
Speaker 3: is inextricable from the context of that earlier murder, right,
Speaker 3: the murder for which Luigi Mangioni remains incarcerated today, although
Speaker 3: he has not been convicted in court.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting sign of the times, I guess, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you got.
Speaker 3: To wonder where that's going. Speaking of class action lawsuits,
Speaker 3: twenty three and Me has entered the chat. We talked
Speaker 3: about this at length in the past in some strange
Speaker 3: news and some listener mail in some episodes. We also
Speaker 3: learned recently that twenty three and Me went bankrupt, so
Speaker 3: they are out searching for a suitor. Yet they have
Speaker 3: found true love. In corporate terms, a company named Regenerod
Speaker 3: is going to buy twenty three and Me for two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty six million dollars.
Speaker 4: They should get together with Evil Core Regeneron.
Speaker 3: These guys sound more and more like Captain Planet villains,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Here's the quick scoop. Let's
Speaker 3: go to Reuters and c in who are noting that
Speaker 3: Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, which itself is a drug maker, it's not
Speaker 3: just a venture capital outfit. They are buying the they're
Speaker 3: buying twenty three and ME through a bankruptcy auction, and
Speaker 3: they've already come forward in various public statements and said, look,
Speaker 3: twenty three in me customers, we are going to abide
Speaker 3: by the existing privacy policies that twenty three and ME created,
Speaker 3: and we're going to comply with applicable laws regarding consumer data,
Speaker 3: which gets tricky because those laws change country to country
Speaker 3: and indeed state to state. I don't know. They're getting
Speaker 3: pretty much everything from twenty three and me except where
Speaker 3: a telehealth service they have called Lemonade Health, and they're
Speaker 3: going to I think the plan is the sunset that one.
Speaker 3: But I'd never heard of Lemonade Health.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: Also it's spelled ai D get it, lemon aid.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, let's let's let's make lemons and the lemona.
Speaker 2: Are you a lemon, maybe we can aid you.
Speaker 4: We can aid you because you're you got a bad ticker?
Speaker 3: Is this the lemon equivalent of help of support and help?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Exactly. The reason we're mentioning this is because for many
Speaker 3: of us in the audience who may have played with
Speaker 3: twenty three and Me or other consumer DNA genetic info companies.
Speaker 3: Your next immediate question, maybe, how do I get control
Speaker 3: of my data? How do I how do I remove
Speaker 3: it from the system? How do I ensure that I
Speaker 3: feel safe and protected to do that? You're going to
Speaker 3: want to get some advice straight from the New York
Speaker 3: Times wirecutter. They've got a bonus episode on how to
Speaker 3: delete your data from twenty three and Me and Reports
Speaker 3: on the ground. We'll walk you through this in a second,
Speaker 3: but Reports on the ground, just so you know, folks
Speaker 3: are showing us that getting that data removed is a
Speaker 3: little more tricky than the company may imply. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like anybody who's ever had a gym membership that
Speaker 3: was really tricky to get out of. Has that ever
Speaker 3: happened to you, guys?
Speaker 5: I haven't had dealt with it yet, but I am
Speaker 5: a little gym membership rich, right, now and I need
Speaker 5: to dump one and so I'm looking forward to that bureaucracy.
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, just stay out your p's and q's
Speaker 3: across the t's dot. Theis to delete your twenty three
Speaker 3: and meter data, says Wirecutter. All you have to do
Speaker 3: is log into your account, go to settings, select twenty
Speaker 3: three and me data, which is way down at the
Speaker 3: bottom of the page. Then hit view download a copy
Speaker 3: of it, then select delete data, then permanently delete data.
Speaker 3: You can also opt to have the genetic material you
Speaker 3: submitted destroyed, and then you have to go to the
Speaker 3: Research and Product can sense section to remove permission to
Speaker 3: allow your material to be used for other stuff. Notes
Speaker 3: that doing this only revokes their ability to use your
Speaker 3: material in future research. So everything that has already been
Speaker 3: done with whatever you gave twenty three and meters that's
Speaker 3: still there, that's going to be a real thing going forward.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Whether I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill here,
Speaker 3: but it does feel like this is important information for
Speaker 3: a lot of our listeners.
Speaker 5: What do you guys think, Well, it's certainly something we've
Speaker 5: been talking about, and this seems like a natural escalation
Speaker 5: of a lot of the privacy issues that we've discussed
Speaker 5: kind of ad nauseum.
Speaker 4: On the show.
Speaker 3: Mm, yeah, agreed. We don't know. It's not that we're
Speaker 3: accusing these companies of participating an insidious or nefarious or
Speaker 3: conspiratorial things, but we simply do not know what will
Speaker 3: happen with that information. So if you have the concern
Speaker 3: about that, and again, in full transparency, we worked with
Speaker 3: twenty three and meter in the past. If you have
Speaker 3: a personal concern, then now is the time to go
Speaker 3: in and you sort of get your head around what
Speaker 3: may be happening and the implications. Last story here before
Speaker 3: we move on to the next part of our weekly
Speaker 3: Strange News segment. There was speaking of conspiracies, a secret
Speaker 3: deal between members of Mexican cartels and the United States government.
Speaker 3: This deal allowed cartel family members to enter the United States.
Speaker 3: This is not coming to us from internet gossip and rumor.
Speaker 3: This is coming from the security chief of Mexico, thanks
Speaker 3: to our friends at the AP. Just last week, Mexican
Speaker 3: authorities confirmed that seventeen family members of various cartel leaders
Speaker 3: crossed into the United States. It was part of a
Speaker 3: deal between a son of the former head of the
Speaker 3: Snola cartel and the Trump administration. Gonna be honest, Mexico
Speaker 3: is pissed.
Speaker 5: Well, it also doesn't It kind of flies in the
Speaker 5: face of the Trump administration's whole like shutting down the cartels,
Speaker 5: you know, their whole narrative about the closed borders. It's
Speaker 5: all kind of using the cartels as like the main
Speaker 5: impetus for stuff like that, you know, all the pentanyl
Speaker 5: being trafficked across the border and things like that.
Speaker 4: So it does feel a little bit maybe a lot
Speaker 4: of hypocrite.
Speaker 3: It's a little uh, it's counterintuitive, is it not that too? Yeah? Like,
Speaker 3: what what is the end goal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's the guy's functioning as an informant, Right.
Speaker 3: That's the idea, But they haven't if that that is
Speaker 3: the idea. However, Mexican prosecutors say that the current administration
Speaker 3: has shared no information about this.
Speaker 4: Oh why is it so public too? It doesn't seem
Speaker 4: like a very good tactic for an.
Speaker 3: Informant, Right it came from an independent journalist that we
Speaker 3: need to shout out, Luise Chappato.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you why, guys. It's because they're worried
Speaker 2: about the little corruption thing going on. Between government officials
Speaker 2: and cartels in Mexico. Right, so if they shared all
Speaker 2: that information, there would be an early warning likely to
Speaker 2: cartel members and the people they need. That's going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think it's not necessarily I don't know.
Speaker 3: We can't jump to conclusions as we don't have enough
Speaker 3: information just yet.
Speaker 5: I just really quickly been just wanted to add, like
Speaker 5: I know, I jumped immediately to like, oh, it's a
Speaker 5: payoff thing.
Speaker 4: It it's hypocritical, et cetera.
Speaker 5: I guess it just makes me think of this whole
Speaker 5: notion of the gold card, of this idea of like
Speaker 5: paying a bunch of money to get citizenship, et cetera,
Speaker 5: that the administration floated, and how you know, if you
Speaker 5: have enough money you can get into the country. And
Speaker 5: there was a lot of talk about how, well, who
Speaker 5: are the people that are going to maybe use that?
Speaker 5: It would be like carteli leaders with lots of money
Speaker 5: to potentially try to take advantage of a program.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but god, I hear you, But you would you
Speaker 3: who would not want a couple of investor passports. I
Speaker 3: regularly go through the countries that offer.
Speaker 2: That, and.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you some of them are more affordable than
Speaker 3: you might assume.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like a temporary visa, you get a citizenship.
Speaker 5: You give them that because of your ability to invest,
Speaker 5: because of your ability to do business.
Speaker 3: You jump in front of the line, just like you
Speaker 3: have a Disney fast pass or something. But the ride
Speaker 3: is you know, legal residents, commerce, residency in a country. Uh. Yes,
Speaker 3: we have much more to get to. We would love
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Speaker 5: Will be right back, and we're back, and I'm gonna
Speaker 5: jump right in with I'm gonna do the bummer story
Speaker 5: up front. Well, it's not inherently a bummer. We've certainly
Speaker 5: done episodes in the past. But the idea of assisted suicide,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say unalive, that's what it was historically
Speaker 5: referred to as going to use those terms for the
Speaker 5: sake of this discussion, you know, and on a lot
Speaker 5: of the issues behind it in terms of people that
Speaker 5: are against things like that typically come from a place
Speaker 5: of religiousness, typically come from a place of the sanctity
Speaker 5: of life, maybe similar arguments to people who might be
Speaker 5: anti abortion. And there are a handful of states in
Speaker 5: the United States that I believe have this available, you know,
Speaker 5: as a legal option, which certainly no one needs as
Speaker 5: a legal option, But there is something to be said
Speaker 5: of a humane, overseen, you know, option for ending one's life,
Speaker 5: not because you're depressed because you have a terminal illness,
Speaker 5: because you have something that is determined to be irreversible
Speaker 5: and you are suffering, and you are living in a
Speaker 5: state of pain and anxiety. And this is a way
Speaker 5: of kind of helping put agency into the hands of
Speaker 5: people going through things like that and not having to
Speaker 5: take matters, say, into their own hands, which we also
Speaker 5: hear very sad stories about often you know, people doing
Speaker 5: that themselves behind closed doors, whereas in this situation, it's
Speaker 5: almost like you could be surrounded by family, Like it
Speaker 5: could be a conversation that you're having with your loved
Speaker 5: ones and they can all be there potentially. So New
Speaker 5: York State has made some strides towards this as well,
Speaker 5: and it is the New York legislature that has passed
Speaker 5: a bill called the Medical Aid in Dying Measure, or rather,
Speaker 5: I guess it's yeah, it's a bill which passed eighty
Speaker 5: one to sixty seven after four hours of debate in
Speaker 5: the New York State legislature. This is coming from Gothamist
Speaker 5: article that is attributed to Yeah Jimmy volkand saying that
Speaker 5: the Medical Aid and Dying Measure passed eighty one sixty
Speaker 5: seven after more than four hours debate, with more than
Speaker 5: ten Democrats joined the minority Republicans in voting no. So
Speaker 5: it would appear that it is not entirely down the aisle,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of split issue.
Speaker 4: It's still unclear.
Speaker 5: The article says whether it will be considered by the
Speaker 5: state Senate or whether Governor Kathy Hochel HOCl supports it.
Speaker 5: Ten other states allow similar practices, including Oregon, which legalized
Speaker 5: medically assisted suicide in nineteen ninety seven. Folks that are
Speaker 5: in support of this, like I mentioned, which you know
Speaker 5: is my perspective, say this is a compassionate choice for
Speaker 5: folks who are in pain at the end of their lives,
Speaker 5: advocating making this a safe sort of a I guess
Speaker 5: loaded term here maybe doesn't really apply, but a humane
Speaker 5: process involving oversight from physicians with terminally ill individuals such
Speaker 5: as cancer patients, as well as folks whose spouses and
Speaker 5: siblings have also suffered.
Speaker 4: You know, in them some of these final moments.
Speaker 5: So one of the sponsors of the bill, Amy who's
Speaker 5: a Democrat from Westchester County, said, the last thing memory
Speaker 5: I have of my sister is shouting in pain. She
Speaker 5: might have chosen this or not, but she would have
Speaker 5: had a choice. And then on the other side of that,
Speaker 5: we have some folks commenting from I guess the state's
Speaker 5: Roman Catholic Bishops organization. So Robert Bellafiore, who's spokesperson for
Speaker 5: the New York State Catholic Conference, said this was referring
Speaker 5: to this in I believe a pretty hyperbolic way as
Speaker 5: state sanctioned suicide. Guys, what do you think about that
Speaker 5: term sanctioned? I feel like it's weaponized so much, and
Speaker 5: especially in this situation.
Speaker 4: They're not saying you should do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're forcing you to do this, right, But it's
Speaker 3: like what here in the West, in the US, especially,
Speaker 3: you never hear state sanctioned as a modifier to something good.
Speaker 3: No one's ever like, oh, I've got to go to
Speaker 3: the state sanctioned library.
Speaker 4: It implies government overreach, free.
Speaker 3: Books, it's always right state sanctioned death squads or suicide
Speaker 3: death panels exactly. You know, this reminds me of I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously the shadow of Cavorkian, but it also reminds me
Speaker 3: of the sarcopod Street named the suicide pod, the euthanasia
Speaker 3: device that came out a while back. It was invented
Speaker 3: by a guy named Philip Nietzski, and it it also
Speaker 3: like Cravorkians work. It ruffled a lot of feathers on
Speaker 3: a very sensitive topic. But there are some things to unpack.
Speaker 3: You know. First, logically, if you believe in bodily autonomy,
Speaker 3: then your idea must be that if other if you're not,
Speaker 3: if someone is not harming someone else with their actions,
Speaker 3: they should be able to do what they want with
Speaker 3: their person habeas corpus and all that. However, it feels
Speaker 3: like there does need to be some nuanced legislation because
Speaker 3: it reminds me of those studies that show people who
Speaker 3: attempt suicide by say, jumping off a bridge, the vast
Speaker 3: majority of folks who survived that attempt regret doing it right.
Speaker 3: So a terminal illness feels like a very, very much
Speaker 3: a mission critical qualifier. But we also have to remember
Speaker 3: there are a lot of people who are going through
Speaker 3: very difficult times in their lives and may impulsively wish
Speaker 3: for self harm only to regret it regret it later.
Speaker 3: So how would we square a person's right to autonomy
Speaker 3: with like, I guess you have to make the barrier
Speaker 3: of entry pretty high at this point.
Speaker 4: Tell you, yeah, one hundred percent. Man, those are all
Speaker 4: really great points.
Speaker 5: And you know, the opposition coming from the New York
Speaker 5: State Catholic Conference sort of addresses to some of these things,
Speaker 5: saying it tells young people who everyone knows are in
Speaker 5: the midst of an unprecedented mental health crisis, that life
Speaker 5: is disposable and that it's okay to end your life
Speaker 5: if you see no hope. It turns medicine on its
Speaker 5: head from a healing profession into a killing one. Again,
Speaker 5: I find this to be incredibly hyperbolic and sort of
Speaker 5: weaponized language.
Speaker 3: Load Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Loadedly miss the point which is addressed in the bill itself,
Speaker 5: which requires two physicians to certify that a patient has
Speaker 5: an irreversible incurable illness or condition with a prognosis of
Speaker 5: six months or less to live. Two witnesses who aren't
Speaker 5: related to the patient, aren't in line for any inheritance
Speaker 5: and don't work for a nursing home where a patient
Speaker 5: receives care also have to sign as witnesses to the
Speaker 5: patient's written request. So it feels to me like that's
Speaker 5: a pretty high barrier to entry, you know, to your point, man, yeah,
Speaker 5: I hear you be Yeah, And advocates going to say
Speaker 5: that it's all about the patient's control and that there
Speaker 5: is that level, you know, pretty strict level of oversight.
Speaker 5: There is this concept of coercion that comes up a lot,
Speaker 5: like this idea of potentially nursing home.
Speaker 4: The staff, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, taking compromised in their faculties, that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so it does feel like there are reasonable
Speaker 5: measures in place to prevent that. But I do feel
Speaker 5: like that term coercion that comes up a lot is
Speaker 5: also often a little bit loaded, the idea of and
Speaker 5: it just seems to me like nobody, Okay, let's talk
Speaker 5: about the conspiratorial ang a little bit.
Speaker 4: I think it's an.
Speaker 5: Elephant, sure, Like it doesn't it doesn't particularly benefit big
Speaker 5: pharma and the healthcare industry if people have the choice
Speaker 5: to in.
Speaker 4: Their own lives. Because I didn't know there's a lot
Speaker 4: of money to be made an end of life care.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, so, yeah, discuss. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I just had sorry being quite on this this part, guys.
Speaker 2: I literally just had a conversation this morning with my
Speaker 2: son's mother about a family member of hers that just
Speaker 2: went into hospice and is, you know, on her way out.
Speaker 2: And it's one of those things when there's a lot
Speaker 2: of pain there, there is a discussion with that person,
Speaker 2: you know, like that potentially they might want to just
Speaker 2: have it be over. That would be really great if
Speaker 2: it could just be over, but nobody wants that. And
Speaker 2: then also being in someone's shoes who is not cognitively there,
Speaker 2: how do you have that discussion with them? And it
Speaker 2: is such a I'm just putting this out here to say,
Speaker 2: it is such a complicated situation right at any time,
Speaker 2: somebody is trying to choose, or a family is trying
Speaker 2: to choose if it's time to let someone go.
Speaker 3: Agreed. I don't say much personal stuff on the show,
Speaker 3: but I completely understand what you're saying, Matt, one of
Speaker 3: my grandmothers many years ago, that was the last conversation
Speaker 3: we had with her, and she wasn't all there. So
Speaker 3: it's not really a clean answer to a lot of
Speaker 3: these things.
Speaker 4: Certainly not.
Speaker 5: But it's also interesting how, you know, my mother passing,
Speaker 5: I had to make the choice to end her life,
Speaker 5: and it was paperwork that was laid out and gave
Speaker 5: me that right, and she I was advised by the
Speaker 5: doctors that there was no coming back from the state
Speaker 5: that she was in and issues intubated and there are
Speaker 5: all these factors and boxes that had to be checked,
Speaker 5: and that you know, art lungs were full of fluid.
Speaker 5: It just wasn't it was it wasn't any coming back,
Speaker 5: and that's what I was advised, and that is what
Speaker 5: I did. But I don't see how, like, why do
Speaker 5: you have to get to such a place? Yeah, before
Speaker 5: that conversation happens, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I had this one thought in my head the other day.
Speaker 2: And but and I think that is almost a point
Speaker 2: against the conspiratorial fact right, because those are metal medical
Speaker 2: professionals talking to you, nol and saying that is true.
Speaker 2: We could we could sustain her life for you know,
Speaker 2: however long you want, and then the medical bills would
Speaker 2: just pile and pile and pile and pile, or we
Speaker 2: can do this, which is the theoretically the mission of
Speaker 2: all medical professionals, right when you go into that field exactly. So, I.
Speaker 5: It is interesting, though I do no harm, and the
Speaker 5: way this language is weaponized kind of conflicts with the
Speaker 5: idea of ending someone's life. But sometimes that is the
Speaker 5: humane thing to do, and that is a form of
Speaker 5: doing no harm, because you're doing more harm by letting
Speaker 5: an individual live in a substandard dare we even say
Speaker 5: hellish state?
Speaker 4: It's a lot, guys, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to
Speaker 4: get personal doubt of it.
Speaker 5: It is something that that you know, I do feel
Speaker 5: connected with, and it's interesting and it's it's a very
Speaker 5: complex thing, but I do think people should have the
Speaker 5: right to do something like this, and you know, because also,
Speaker 5: I mean I had I had another family friend who
Speaker 5: had terminal cancer and took his own life with a weapon.
Speaker 4: H that's a very violent death. That's a violent way
Speaker 4: to go. You're alone and tear. I mean, can you
Speaker 4: imagine the someone's state of mind in that situation.
Speaker 2: But that's the way it goes. Now, if you live
Speaker 2: in a in a place that does not allow for
Speaker 2: some way to to end your life, you know, peacefully,
Speaker 2: then you take it if you're if you're in that
Speaker 2: position and you make that decision right, and that's a reality.
Speaker 2: I guess that we're we're all kind of facing Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, it's definitely complex. I'll leave that one there.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe should have led with the weird mystery bird
Speaker 5: apocalypse story instead of that one, But I guess maybe
Speaker 5: it's also just ripping the band aid off. In California,
Speaker 5: in a town not too far from San Francisco in
Speaker 5: the Bay Area called Richmond, residents are reporting sightings of
Speaker 5: exploding birds and just a rash of dead birds falling
Speaker 5: from the sky, some of which are appearing to explode
Speaker 5: in mid air. There are security camera footage, there's ring
Speaker 5: camera footage. Residents have said they've found as many as
Speaker 5: fifty dead birds in the area over the last few months,
Speaker 5: and this was initially reported by ABC seven there in
Speaker 5: the Bay Area. I'm pulling a lot of this from
Speaker 5: a Guardian article California town investigates mystery of exploding dead birds.
Speaker 4: There are theories, y'all.
Speaker 5: A lot of people are pointing fingers at the power
Speaker 5: company because a lot of these birds apparently have been
Speaker 5: like birds want or want to do sit on these
Speaker 5: power line. Officials for the California Department Officient Wildlife told
Speaker 5: The Guardian that the Department of Wildlife's health lab received
Speaker 5: two dead birds for evaluation that had been collected by
Speaker 5: the utility company Pacific Gas and Electric. One of the
Speaker 5: birds was a mourning dove, and another eight European starlings,
Speaker 5: like migratory birds. The lab found no signs of electrocution, however,
Speaker 5: in these collective birds, but the creatures did show injuries
Speaker 5: that could have been caused by a pellet gun, a
Speaker 5: BB gun, or a slingshot.
Speaker 4: They said in a statement.
Speaker 5: The exact cause of the trauma to all of these
Speaker 5: birds could not be determined. The investigation came as some
Speaker 5: neighbors blame Pacific Gas and Electric for faulty cable lines
Speaker 5: and urged the utility to take a look into the incident.
Speaker 5: A spokesperson from PG and E, who also again led
Speaker 5: the the what do you call it? Autopsy kind of
Speaker 5: a charge there seemingly maybe in a way of exonerating themselves.
Speaker 5: But you know whatever, we appreciate the concern of our
Speaker 5: customers Richmond about the recent series of bird deaths. PG
Speaker 5: and E does not believe that there was an issue
Speaker 5: with our electrical equipment and agrees that these birds were
Speaker 5: not electrocuted.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 5: It is being described as a very traumatic and violent
Speaker 5: thing to witness. A local resident named Maximilian Bowling told
Speaker 5: ABC seven, So, when they land, then it happens. They
Speaker 5: just quickly explode, and it's really violent. It's very traumatic,
Speaker 5: super traumatic to see this. You know, I've got my
Speaker 5: bird issues, guys, but I don't wish them this kind
Speaker 5: of ill. There's a horrible thing to happen to birds.
Speaker 5: We must get to the bottom of what's happening to
Speaker 5: these birds. There is another piece in the La Times
Speaker 5: the mystery of Northern California's exploding birds is being solved,
Speaker 5: and that was from May the fourteenth, and I believe
Speaker 5: it mainly refers to the autopsy that PG and E
Speaker 5: has performed.
Speaker 4: Let's see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does show that they weren't electrocuted, so I
Speaker 5: wonder what's next. Further, Yeah, it shows that weren't electrocuted
Speaker 5: is what the But again I'm a little suspicious because
Speaker 5: it's two birds, a mourning dove in a European starling,
Speaker 5: and it's the power company themselves that conducted these tests,
Speaker 5: and they're the ones say.
Speaker 4: No, no, it's cool. See we checked it out to
Speaker 4: the cat with a gun. Yes, yeah, cat. Can you imagine?
Speaker 4: So it really is a mini bird apocalypse yall?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a that's a terrifying image. Cats are
Speaker 4: the scourge of the bird world, you know.
Speaker 5: That's why they say if you let your cats outside,
Speaker 5: put a bell on them, not for you finding the cat,
Speaker 5: but to give the birds a fighting chance. Wow.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's really puzzling. I don't know how would it so? Okay,
Speaker 2: just theoretically, how would it be an electrical Problemly, the
Speaker 2: shielding isn't correct on some of the ulins.
Speaker 4: It would have to be.
Speaker 5: They have to be like ungrounded, right, it would like
Speaker 5: be to cause that level of violent explosion. There have
Speaker 5: to be significant grounding problem that would also be very
Speaker 5: for humans, potentially some sort of serious flaw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently all.
Speaker 5: There is something called or a safeguard or a company
Speaker 5: that creates standards in place called the Avian power Line
Speaker 5: Interaction Committee, and there is apparently a standard that is
Speaker 5: to be complied with for Avian safety around power lines.
Speaker 5: And another spokesperson Matt Neuman from PG and he said
Speaker 5: the poll at issue is compliant with Avian safeguidees.
Speaker 4: So it's a good question, Ben, You got any theories.
Speaker 5: I think there's a a a Dennis the Menace type figure,
Speaker 5: exploding birds, an anti bird vigilante.
Speaker 4: I like your cat with a gun theory. That's good image.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a cat with a gun is probably the most
Speaker 3: plausible thing. Group of cats, maybe cartel related.
Speaker 4: Well, let's stop here for now. I think I've run
Speaker 4: over on time a little bit.
Speaker 5: But let's take a quick break here a word from
Speaker 5: our spot, and then we'll come back with a little
Speaker 5: bit more strange news from mister Matti Fred's.
Speaker 2: And we've returned. Do we all remember the cybersecurity company
Speaker 2: crowd Strike. Do you guys remember talking about them last year?
Speaker 2: The company was responsible for a massive global server outage.
Speaker 2: They pushed out an update had some issues with it
Speaker 2: to its software that's used by a lot of people.
Speaker 2: When they put out that software, which is designed to
Speaker 2: detect cybersecurity threats. It brought down eight and a half
Speaker 2: million Windows systems across the globe. Who well that outage,
Speaker 2: as is stated here by the Guardian that we will
Speaker 2: talk about in just a moment. It caused chaos at airports,
Speaker 2: took down computers in hospitals, which is not great, TV networks,
Speaker 2: payment systems, and personal computers even well, guys, they just
Speaker 2: announced earlier in May that they are gonna cut five
Speaker 2: percent of their workforce because guess what they're putting in
Speaker 2: instead of humans?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, is it cats with guns?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: I think I that would probably be preferable. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's they have some insuation. It's a I, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Nope, it's Chuck Testa. Uh he's a taxidermy badass. Should
Speaker 2: look him up at Chuck Testa. Anyway, I didn't know
Speaker 2: there were.
Speaker 3: Bases in the Field's kind of the lebron of taxider.
Speaker 4: I learned something today.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's a I, guys, which.
Speaker 3: Is also just a fraudulent term. And often this year,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a broken record every time that comes.
Speaker 5: Now, you're right, then, But much like you know, unliving
Speaker 5: versus like assistant suicide or something. It is the term
Speaker 5: that is being thrown around, but you're right. I think
Speaker 5: it is worth that qualifier nearly every time because it is.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Also, crowd Strike then joins multiple other
Speaker 3: tech companies and also companies in other spaces, like Duo
Speaker 3: Lingo being another recent example.
Speaker 5: It's funny my kids said, Duolingo is canceled because they're
Speaker 5: using all AI. So that generation is even to keyt
Speaker 5: in on this and they.
Speaker 3: Don't like it. No, no, why would they?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Also, what are the more interesting conversations that's going to
Speaker 3: come up in the near to mid future is going
Speaker 3: to be what happens when you replace c suite level
Speaker 3: decisions with a large language model or some kind of AI.
Speaker 2: We got computer computer CEOs. The CEO of CrowdStrike.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who was a human being, George.
Speaker 3: That's far's technically physiologically, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about, well, no offense CEOs. If you're
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 4: Listening, but human is a relative.
Speaker 2: There is a higher chance that you may exhibit some
Speaker 2: sociopathic psychopathic things. But it's fine. Just due to the
Speaker 2: nature of the success you've had in the businesses you
Speaker 2: front anyway, but that's fine. Yeah. George Kurtz, human Being,
Speaker 2: chief executive of CrowdStrike, said that it's about five hundred positions,
Speaker 2: or again five percent of its workforce. It's going to
Speaker 2: be cut globally and it is due to not just AI,
Speaker 2: but AI efficiencies that are being created right now, which,
Speaker 2: as you said, Ben, all the companies are attempting to
Speaker 2: find ways to do this, make it a little more efficient,
Speaker 2: save a little bit more money, and then everybody's feeling
Speaker 2: good in the investor side, which is really what it's
Speaker 2: all about.
Speaker 3: Until the next year when there's a new profit target. Yes,
Speaker 3: goalposts between goal posts.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly the old quarters. You can read this in
Speaker 2: the Guardian. It was posted May ninth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Title is tone deaf us company responsible for global IT
Speaker 2: outage to cut jobs and use AI and just a
Speaker 2: heads up. Everything I'm going to be talking about comes
Speaker 2: from like late April, early May. It's stuff that kind
Speaker 2: of fell through the cracks on my end at least
Speaker 2: where I'd written down that we should talk about this
Speaker 2: and then I totally forgot. But that's one. There are
Speaker 2: several people in that article just citing, hey, why not
Speaker 2: take that five percent and put them into to like
Speaker 2: an emergency team. Turn that five percent of workforce into
Speaker 2: an emergency team to handle stuff like when eight and
Speaker 2: a half million machines go down because your software screwed up.
Speaker 2: Or maybe a QA team that looks at updates before
Speaker 2: your updates come out.
Speaker 3: Some sort of thing that could strike a crowd of problems.
Speaker 2: Hmmmm, like five hundred strong.
Speaker 4: CrowdStrike. Doesn't that sound like a like a full party
Speaker 4: move and a JARPG like it really good?
Speaker 2: Strike?
Speaker 3: Really was those names? A lot of the big companies
Speaker 3: have these. I don't know, maybe maybe I'm just being pretentious,
Speaker 3: but they sound they don't sound like what they do
Speaker 3: is the issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, but in a victory for the people
Speaker 2: who are losing their jobs, the company expects to incur
Speaker 2: up to fifty three million dollars in costs as a
Speaker 2: result of the cuts, and we're assuming that's severance packages.
Speaker 2: That's why I say it's sure at least, hey, at
Speaker 2: least they're gonna get a nice hopefully.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and then you also, I mean, instead of
Speaker 3: paying out into the privatized insurance system for human employees,
Speaker 3: that cost gets replaced by maintenance for servers. That's their insurance.
Speaker 2: What CrowdStrike needs to do is come up with some
Speaker 2: kind of healthcare system for the AI supercomputer systems.
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, Matt, because I was having
Speaker 3: a conversation with a friend offline. Do you guys ever
Speaker 3: accidentally reinvent something like I was? I was saying, you know,
Speaker 3: would be really smart. There's a three year time window
Speaker 3: right now, because we were talking about increasingly monopolistic telecom
Speaker 3: and cable services and how you know, if you have
Speaker 3: enough streaming services that all want to be their own
Speaker 3: precious little boys, you all together, you're basically paying a
Speaker 3: cable bill. So my pitch was, so, yeah, my pitch was,
Speaker 3: let's get a third party middle band character and it
Speaker 3: will it will negotiate with the streaming services to get
Speaker 3: ice breaks at scale, so a lower cost for the
Speaker 3: end user. And then I realized I had accidentally reinvented
Speaker 3: what cable was in the beginning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally so, because remember when you had to get packages, yeah, ye,
Speaker 5: for like the different you know, ESPN or whatever, that
Speaker 5: was the premium.
Speaker 3: And you always had to accept you had to take
Speaker 3: an l on a couple of channels that you didn't want,
Speaker 3: like ESPN fourteen or or whatever. Were so many.
Speaker 5: Is it just a matter of now under the new model,
Speaker 5: that the individual networks are just getting the revenue directly,
Speaker 5: and that's better for the networks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2: In related news, Charter Communications is acquiring Cox Communications.
Speaker 3: That's exactly the conversation.
Speaker 2: Four and a half billion, I'm talking millions.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, why ones? I remember from my youth
Speaker 5: Cox and they all tons of radio stations.
Speaker 3: You guys to quote idiocracy, I like money.
Speaker 2: Well, the cable companies have just become Internet service providers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the reshuffling of the dead.
Speaker 3: I know this is not in scope of the story
Speaker 3: we're discussing, but I think it does speak to the
Speaker 3: larger trends at play because of course CrowdStrike, yes, fumble
Speaker 3: the bag hard on that I outage, but they are
Speaker 3: not unique in seeking to seeking to leverage various forms
Speaker 3: of automation. And the problem then, as we as we
Speaker 3: often explored in years past, we're weirdly prescient with this.
Speaker 3: The problem then becomes that before you reach that halcyon
Speaker 3: post work economy that informs star Trek, you have a
Speaker 3: post worker economy. So the question then, and they have
Speaker 3: to ask this, please be rational actors, CEOs and decision makers.
Speaker 3: At what use is having streamlined, majority automated company making
Speaker 3: products if the people can't buy the products because everybody
Speaker 3: got fired, you know what I mean. We found the
Speaker 3: fastest way to make the coolest car, but no one
Speaker 3: can afford gas because we fired all the people who
Speaker 3: worked at the factory.
Speaker 2: The crap, oh crap, sort of.
Speaker 5: It's indicative of that general shortsightedness around like move fast
Speaker 5: and break stuff mentality. Right, It's like you basically move
Speaker 5: fast and break stuff to the point where you don't
Speaker 5: have any consumers anymore or I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3: At some point you're just breaking.
Speaker 4: That's exactly, thank you man.
Speaker 2: That's live fast, die young guys, just die, you know,
Speaker 2: all right. So I don't know, I don't know. We
Speaker 2: got to move on. I'm so sorry, guys. But we
Speaker 2: we talked pretty recently, I think earlier this year, maybe
Speaker 2: even late last year about a little company called Bayer
Speaker 2: b A Y E R. You might remember them from
Speaker 2: your aspirin. Well, uh, they we talked about them because
Speaker 2: they're doing an intense public relations, lobbying and legal campaign,
Speaker 2: and it has to do with this little thing that
Speaker 2: they acquired fairly recently in the span of the company's
Speaker 2: history at least. Uh, this thing called round Up that
Speaker 2: they acquired when they bought Monsanto.
Speaker 4: Yeah, heard of it.
Speaker 5: That was the last thing we talked about beer, Yes,
Speaker 5: regarding Yeah, I think I didn't even realize how diversified
Speaker 5: they were.
Speaker 3: A good example too, yep.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And the whole the campaign is all about round up
Speaker 2: or you know, round up ready products, round up, the
Speaker 2: actual chemical that is an herbicide, and it's all about
Speaker 2: whether or not. Actually no, it's all about the fact
Speaker 2: they say that roundup is safer use and it definitely
Speaker 2: doesn't cause cancer, and if it did cause cancer, it's
Speaker 2: not their.
Speaker 3: Fault, like the narcissist prayer.
Speaker 2: Oh a little bit, a little bit. Well, guys, they
Speaker 2: just had a massive victory here in our state of
Speaker 2: Georgia because we have become the second state to pass
Speaker 2: legislation that shields Bear and you know, round Up in
Speaker 2: Monsanto and all that stuff from any lawsuits that claim
Speaker 2: that Bear itself failed to warn customers about the potential
Speaker 2: dangers of using the herbicide round up, right, And this goes.
Speaker 3: Back to the wildly differing opinions from European authorities and
Speaker 3: US authorities.
Speaker 5: The ep European authorities tend to be a little more
Speaker 5: conservative about these types of things, like literally in the
Speaker 5: favor of the humans.
Speaker 3: Well more protective. That's the concept of healthy humans. And
Speaker 3: I guess we should also note that Bear, being a
Speaker 3: global corporation, is not headquartered in the US, right.
Speaker 2: No, they are in Germany, which changes things a little
Speaker 2: bit legally. And it is interesting that, you know, a
Speaker 2: company based in another country can spend so much money
Speaker 2: on public relations and lobbying here and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: But again, it just makes you think about the system
Speaker 2: that the way that thing's supposed to go. But at
Speaker 2: the state level, I don't know, it hits a little
Speaker 2: different to me, just thinking about, you know, governors of
Speaker 2: different states being influenced so much, and then the actual
Speaker 2: legislators state of each individual state being lobbied as hard
Speaker 2: as the folks are in Washington, d C. It's a
Speaker 2: bit weird. What insights do you find there been with
Speaker 2: it being based in Germany.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's stuff that you KNOWL and I
Speaker 3: have talked about in the past, Right, You already nailed it, Matt.
Speaker 3: The tricky patchwork legislation in the United States, especially for
Speaker 3: corporate entities of this size, action taken in the US
Speaker 3: might just hit I don't know, their US subsidiary, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think any body is going to fly over
Speaker 3: to Germany and slap handcuffs on the c suite of Bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 3: Also, also, Bear didn't invent Roundup, right, they bought the company.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, you know, if you buy
Speaker 3: a used car that was involved in car accidents. That's
Speaker 3: not a perfect analogy because in this analogy the car
Speaker 3: you buy is still hurting people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, it should be noted that they
Speaker 2: acquired I think it was twenty eighteen when they when
Speaker 2: Bear acquired Monsanto, which is, you know, when they took
Speaker 2: on all the legal responsibilities right, all of the I
Speaker 2: don't know, they bought the car, the car that had
Speaker 2: some serious legal issues. There was a you remember when
Speaker 2: we talked about this last there was a two point
Speaker 2: one billion dollar award to a single human being who
Speaker 2: alleged round Up caused his cancer, and a lot of.
Speaker 3: It went to his legal team.
Speaker 4: Just to be clear. Oh yeah, that is how it goes.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, because he he made a pretty
Speaker 3: solid case that live fass eight or live fascate.
Speaker 4: How do you say it?
Speaker 2: I think that's it. G L y P h O
Speaker 2: s A t e ah.
Speaker 3: Yes, Live fasse eight.
Speaker 2: You know it.
Speaker 5: You know it.
Speaker 3: Various courts have agreed it is carcinogenic, despite the EPA
Speaker 3: here in the US disagree.
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
Speaker 5: I do want to say too, because I kind of
Speaker 5: jumped in to be like, oh, you're up in there,
Speaker 5: human I need to focus on human rights and the
Speaker 5: you know, the safety of their citizens. That does not
Speaker 5: preclude them from having evil corporations. I just do that, clear,
Speaker 5: come and I can't not. I just finished it, guys,
Speaker 5: and I'm pretty sure Ben you've seen it.
Speaker 3: Matt.
Speaker 5: I don't remember if we talked about this, but the
Speaker 5: show Common Side Effects on Adult Swim is about this
Speaker 5: very thing, the idea of like how evil corporations would
Speaker 5: keep people from having, you know, cures, They keep wanting
Speaker 5: to keep people sick, et cetera. But it has taken
Speaker 5: to the most extreme and psychedelic degree. It's a really
Speaker 5: great show.
Speaker 3: Not a cure, thank you, solve a symptoms.
Speaker 5: That's exactly in a way where they they could even
Speaker 5: take something that might be a cure.
Speaker 4: Let's just let's let's nerf it alone, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. We don't want to give them the whole thing. Right.
Speaker 2: Let's get a quote from Brian Naghbor, president of Bear's
Speaker 2: Crop Sciences in both North America, Australia and New Zealand.
Speaker 3: It's not spelled neighbor the way it should be, though, folks.
Speaker 3: That would be too cool of a name. It's in
Speaker 3: a e er. Sorry, Brian got so close man.
Speaker 2: Well. He says that this new law quote demonstrates that
Speaker 2: Georgia stands with its farmers who work tirelessly to produce
Speaker 2: safe and affordable food. We agree. We're on the side
Speaker 2: of humble farmer all day long. We get it here.
Speaker 4: Rebel Moon got canned. Not no more Rebel Moon, No
Speaker 4: more humble farmer. They're not.
Speaker 5: They gave up on it. Sorry, it'll come back with
Speaker 5: the power of belief. We'll keep the humble farmer mythos
Speaker 5: alive on this show alone.
Speaker 2: Yes, once Netflix gets acquired by Charter again, it'll come
Speaker 2: back for another.
Speaker 5: And then they all get bought by Unilever, and then
Speaker 5: all programs become about soap.
Speaker 3: Yes, and of course ultimately this is great for the consumer. Matt,
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear a little bit more and then
Speaker 3: we're going to play not quite Devil's Advocate. But I
Speaker 3: suggest we we walk through some knock on context that
Speaker 3: a lot of people aren't thinking about when they hear
Speaker 3: these uh, you know, infuriating reports.
Speaker 2: Well, let's jump to it.
Speaker 3: I tell me, okay, So Brian says that you know,
Speaker 3: this is a move to show that Georgia, which is
Speaker 3: an agricultural state, supports the people growing food right and produce.
Speaker 3: That is that is the public statement. Critics will say,
Speaker 3: you know, you are not protecting farmers you are or
Speaker 3: humble farmers. You are protecting large corporate interests. However, the
Speaker 3: peace of the puzzle that doesn't get reported as often
Speaker 3: is the accelerating deterioration of arable land. There is a
Speaker 3: world very much on the horizon, and some of us
Speaker 3: in the crowd listening tonight are going to be alive
Speaker 3: to see it. There is a world wherein humanity will
Speaker 3: need incredibly a rollout of much more sophisticated farming methods
Speaker 3: and a lot of the traditional methods simply aren't going
Speaker 3: to work where they work today. So you can make
Speaker 3: an argument that if not now here in the near future,
Speaker 3: companies will say they need these pesticides just to create
Speaker 3: basic food, not evel fancy stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're protecting round up ready crops, which is
Speaker 2: a whole other episode that we did way back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: Terminal seed lines.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because back in the day, in the nineties
Speaker 2: ninety six, to be exact, round up at Monsanto using
Speaker 2: their round Up herbicide, created genetically modified crops like soybeans, corn,
Speaker 2: sugar beets, cotton, alfalfa that were genetically modified to be
Speaker 2: resistant to round up. So you could just douse those
Speaker 2: babies in round up and they're not going to die,
Speaker 2: but all the other things that grow in the soil
Speaker 2: will die, all the bad stuff that you don't want.
Speaker 3: Right, And Monsanto would crack down hard on anybody who
Speaker 3: happened to have an adjacent farm where in seeds or
Speaker 3: you know, some part of that substance transmitted to their land,
Speaker 3: and Monsanto would accuse them of IP theft and things
Speaker 3: like that. Also terminal seed lines. Ooh in Citi is
Speaker 3: talking about you know, Tenol's really you're point about selling
Speaker 3: a service rather than a cure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to buy the seeds for that crop,
Speaker 2: and then you got to buy more seeds for the
Speaker 2: next crop. You can't take seeds out of what you're
Speaker 2: pulling out of the ground because they don't do that
Speaker 2: no more. Now you got to just continually buy in
Speaker 2: this weird subscription model all your crops from on Santo
Speaker 2: slash now bear. So that's really what we're talking about here.
Speaker 3: I also will argue or posit. I don't want it
Speaker 3: to be an argument, folks. I will also posit that
Speaker 3: there is a great deal of efficiency and wisdom to
Speaker 3: be learned from older indigenous farming techniques, and they could
Speaker 3: be the answers.
Speaker 4: Rotation right, things like the three sisters and so on.
Speaker 3: There could be answers in that old technology that are
Speaker 3: being ignored, perhaps because of path dependency on the part
Speaker 3: of big agriculture. But it is a problem humanity is
Speaker 3: going to have to wrestle. But things aren't going to
Speaker 3: get serious as not even the race for clean water escalates,
Speaker 3: but as the race for arable land escalates. Everybody by MRIs.
Speaker 3: Make sure to change your MRI's out when the expiration
Speaker 3: date hits.
Speaker 4: The good thing about sponsored by MRIs even after the here's.
Speaker 3: The brilliant thing about MRIs though, guys, even after the
Speaker 3: expiration date, you can usually eat them because the secret
Speaker 3: is they never start off good.
Speaker 4: It does get worse over time.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean we I just had that conversation here.
Speaker 2: I had a bunch of giant cans of things as
Speaker 2: like an emergency if there's just a tornado or something,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever just happened.
Speaker 3: Smart.
Speaker 2: Well, I got those back in twenty twenty one, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, and the canned foods just went bad. So
Speaker 2: it was a discussion of well, how do we actually
Speaker 2: because the food isn't bad in these yet, they're still
Speaker 2: good to go. They're sealed in that can, baby, right,
Speaker 2: do we just keep it around? Do we just get
Speaker 2: some new ones? I don't know what's the deal.
Speaker 3: What do we do?
Speaker 2: Can we donate them? And I found out a lot
Speaker 2: of food shelters and food banks will receive you've, especially
Speaker 2: a larger can of food that is expired, as long
Speaker 2: as it's within a certain time period after expiration, because
Speaker 2: the food is still violent it's still good to you know.
Speaker 4: Those are sell by dates.
Speaker 5: I mean even like on like non can stuff you
Speaker 5: can usually I'm not, you know, giving medical advice here,
Speaker 5: like you know, air on the side of a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks past it.
Speaker 4: At the very least, it's just about selling.
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Speaker 2: is it? How does that song got a Day back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not quite as good as the Perfect Stranger's
Speaker 3: theme song, but.
Speaker 4: Don't even get me started. We love that one. We
Speaker 4: still love that one.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's so much better than the actual show. But
Speaker 3: that's how sitcoms went back then, and we have, I
Speaker 3: think mutually a lot we did not get to yet,
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Speaker 2: second one guys, I think we have to do a
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Speaker 2: we're having a bit of a situation within the Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein saga of another person who has taken their own life,
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Speaker 3: So agreat yeah, sort of. We've got other episodes coming
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