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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Andrew let try Force Howard. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: argue you are here. That makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 3: top of the week. So if you are hearing this

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Speaker 3: first to welcome you to May twenty six. Also free

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Speaker 3: El Gato, makat Yeah, free, free El Gato. Let our

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Speaker 4: This is only thing I know about. Who's the cat over?

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Speaker 4: We gotta let him go.

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Speaker 3: Get this over. In Costa Rica, we always like to

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Speaker 3: start with something that's not immediately terrible. Over in Costa Rica,

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Speaker 3: prison officials have caught a cat smuggling drugs into the facility.

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Speaker 3: An officer at the boy at the Pukoki or coch

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Speaker 3: what's this cat doing in lock up? And why does

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we heard about that with pigeons. I think

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Speaker 4: That's wild industrious, I respect.

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Speaker 3: We want to give a shout out to our friends

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Speaker 3: at ap news who on we're recording this on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: May twenty first. On May nineteenth, AP News showed just

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Speaker 3: what is an adorable cat? Clearly like clearly rocking significant

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Speaker 3: This entire show is not going to be about El

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Speaker 3: Gatto though, Free the cat. We're gonna learn about a apocalypse.

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Speaker 3: We're going to catch up on some unpleasant news related

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Speaker 3: to the accuser of Prince Andrew. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about some deep stuff. Be warned to this program will

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Speaker 3: contain descriptions of self harm. This may also touch on

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Speaker 3: the idea of assisted suicide. Before we do any of that.

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Speaker 3: What say we take a break and come back and

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Speaker 3: discuss reality shows or maybe just reality. Yeah, we've returned.

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Speaker 3: At this point, I think everybody in the US has

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Speaker 3: heard the news, the scuttle but the rumors about the

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Speaker 4: Yuck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gross, Hunger Games.

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Speaker 4: Hunger game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, every time I look at the comments about this,

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Speaker 5: And I did see actually that this was done before,

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Speaker 2: This is not familiar to me at all.

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Speaker 3: the most recent announcement regarding this. Well, and there's a

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Speaker 3: We can agree though this is a rubicon too far

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Speaker 5: Right, It seems like sort of part of the playbook

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Speaker 3: The old dish gallop right there are running another good example, Yes,

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Speaker 3: shut up Stephen King via his pseudonym. Also, this makes

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Speaker 4: Because of its effects on the stock price. I was saying,

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Speaker 3: This proposed class action lawsuit that was filed recently in

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Speaker 5: You give them that because of your ability to invest,

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Speaker 5: patient's written request. So it feels to me like that's

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00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 5: a pretty high barrier to entry, you know, to your point, man, yeah,

440
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: I hear you be Yeah, And advocates going to say

441
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 5: that it's all about the patient's control and that there

442
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: is that level, you know, pretty strict level of oversight.

443
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 5: There is this concept of coercion that comes up a lot,

444
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Speaker 5: like this idea of potentially nursing home.

445
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: The staff, yeah, you.

446
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: Know, taking compromised in their faculties, that's right.

447
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so it does feel like there are reasonable

448
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 5: measures in place to prevent that. But I do feel

449
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 5: like that term coercion that comes up a lot is

450
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 5: also often a little bit loaded, the idea of and

451
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 5: it just seems to me like nobody, Okay, let's talk

452
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 5: about the conspiratorial ang a little bit.

453
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: I think it's an.

454
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 5: Elephant, sure, Like it doesn't it doesn't particularly benefit big

455
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 5: pharma and the healthcare industry if people have the choice

456
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Speaker 5: to in.

457
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 4: Their own lives. Because I didn't know there's a lot

458
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: of money to be made an end of life care.

459
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, so, yeah, discuss. Yeah, that's right.

460
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: I just had sorry being quite on this this part, guys.

461
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: I literally just had a conversation this morning with my

462
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Speaker 2: son's mother about a family member of hers that just

463
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: went into hospice and is, you know, on her way out.

464
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Speaker 2: And it's one of those things when there's a lot

465
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Speaker 2: of pain there, there is a discussion with that person,

466
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, like that potentially they might want to just

467
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Speaker 2: have it be over. That would be really great if

468
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: it could just be over, but nobody wants that. And

469
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: then also being in someone's shoes who is not cognitively there,

470
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: how do you have that discussion with them? And it

471
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: is such a I'm just putting this out here to say,

472
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: it is such a complicated situation right at any time,

473
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: somebody is trying to choose, or a family is trying

474
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: to choose if it's time to let someone go.

475
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Speaker 3: Agreed. I don't say much personal stuff on the show,

476
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: but I completely understand what you're saying, Matt, one of

477
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: my grandmothers many years ago, that was the last conversation

478
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: we had with her, and she wasn't all there. So

479
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: it's not really a clean answer to a lot of

480
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: these things.

481
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Speaker 4: Certainly not.

482
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Speaker 5: But it's also interesting how, you know, my mother passing,

483
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 5: I had to make the choice to end her life,

484
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 5: and it was paperwork that was laid out and gave

485
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Speaker 5: me that right, and she I was advised by the

486
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 5: doctors that there was no coming back from the state

487
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 5: that she was in and issues intubated and there are

488
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: all these factors and boxes that had to be checked,

489
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: and that you know, art lungs were full of fluid.

490
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 5: It just wasn't it was it wasn't any coming back,

491
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 5: and that's what I was advised, and that is what

492
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Speaker 5: I did. But I don't see how, like, why do

493
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 5: you have to get to such a place? Yeah, before

494
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: that conversation happens, is what I'm saying.

495
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Speaker 2: I had this one thought in my head the other day.

496
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Speaker 2: And but and I think that is almost a point

497
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: against the conspiratorial fact right, because those are metal medical

498
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: professionals talking to you, nol and saying that is true.

499
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: We could we could sustain her life for you know,

500
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Speaker 2: however long you want, and then the medical bills would

501
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: just pile and pile and pile and pile, or we

502
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Speaker 2: can do this, which is the theoretically the mission of

503
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: all medical professionals, right when you go into that field exactly. So, I.

504
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Speaker 5: It is interesting, though I do no harm, and the

505
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: way this language is weaponized kind of conflicts with the

506
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 5: idea of ending someone's life. But sometimes that is the

507
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 5: humane thing to do, and that is a form of

508
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 5: doing no harm, because you're doing more harm by letting

509
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Speaker 5: an individual live in a substandard dare we even say

510
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: hellish state?

511
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Speaker 4: It's a lot, guys, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to

512
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 4: get personal doubt of it.

513
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 5: It is something that that you know, I do feel

514
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 5: connected with, and it's interesting and it's it's a very

515
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 5: complex thing, but I do think people should have the

516
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: right to do something like this, and you know, because also,

517
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 5: I mean I had I had another family friend who

518
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 5: had terminal cancer and took his own life with a weapon.

519
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: H that's a very violent death. That's a violent way

520
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: to go. You're alone and tear. I mean, can you

521
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: imagine the someone's state of mind in that situation.

522
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Speaker 2: But that's the way it goes. Now, if you live

523
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: in a in a place that does not allow for

524
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: some way to to end your life, you know, peacefully,

525
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: then you take it if you're if you're in that

526
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: position and you make that decision right, and that's a reality.

527
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: I guess that we're we're all kind of facing Uh.

528
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

529
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, it's definitely complex. I'll leave that one there.

530
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe should have led with the weird mystery bird

531
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Speaker 5: apocalypse story instead of that one, But I guess maybe

532
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 5: it's also just ripping the band aid off. In California,

533
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 5: in a town not too far from San Francisco in

534
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 5: the Bay Area called Richmond, residents are reporting sightings of

535
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 5: exploding birds and just a rash of dead birds falling

536
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: from the sky, some of which are appearing to explode

537
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: in mid air. There are security camera footage, there's ring

538
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: camera footage. Residents have said they've found as many as

539
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: fifty dead birds in the area over the last few months,

540
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Speaker 5: and this was initially reported by ABC seven there in

541
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Speaker 5: the Bay Area. I'm pulling a lot of this from

542
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Speaker 5: a Guardian article California town investigates mystery of exploding dead birds.

543
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Speaker 4: There are theories, y'all.

544
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 5: A lot of people are pointing fingers at the power

545
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 5: company because a lot of these birds apparently have been

546
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Speaker 5: like birds want or want to do sit on these

547
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 5: power line. Officials for the California Department Officient Wildlife told

548
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 5: The Guardian that the Department of Wildlife's health lab received

549
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: two dead birds for evaluation that had been collected by

550
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: the utility company Pacific Gas and Electric. One of the

551
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 5: birds was a mourning dove, and another eight European starlings,

552
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 5: like migratory birds. The lab found no signs of electrocution, however,

553
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 5: in these collective birds, but the creatures did show injuries

554
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 5: that could have been caused by a pellet gun, a

555
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: BB gun, or a slingshot.

556
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: They said in a statement.

557
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 5: The exact cause of the trauma to all of these

558
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 5: birds could not be determined. The investigation came as some

559
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: neighbors blame Pacific Gas and Electric for faulty cable lines

560
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: and urged the utility to take a look into the incident.

561
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: A spokesperson from PG and E, who also again led

562
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 5: the the what do you call it? Autopsy kind of

563
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 5: a charge there seemingly maybe in a way of exonerating themselves.

564
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: But you know whatever, we appreciate the concern of our

565
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 5: customers Richmond about the recent series of bird deaths. PG

566
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 5: and E does not believe that there was an issue

567
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 5: with our electrical equipment and agrees that these birds were

568
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 5: not electrocuted.

569
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Speaker 4: So there you go.

570
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: It is being described as a very traumatic and violent

571
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 5: thing to witness. A local resident named Maximilian Bowling told

572
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 5: ABC seven, So, when they land, then it happens. They

573
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: just quickly explode, and it's really violent. It's very traumatic,

574
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 5: super traumatic to see this. You know, I've got my

575
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 5: bird issues, guys, but I don't wish them this kind

576
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 5: of ill. There's a horrible thing to happen to birds.

577
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: We must get to the bottom of what's happening to

578
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 5: these birds. There is another piece in the La Times

579
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 5: the mystery of Northern California's exploding birds is being solved,

580
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 5: and that was from May the fourteenth, and I believe

581
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 5: it mainly refers to the autopsy that PG and E

582
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: has performed.

583
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: Let's see.

584
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does show that they weren't electrocuted, so I

585
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 5: wonder what's next. Further, Yeah, it shows that weren't electrocuted

586
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: is what the But again I'm a little suspicious because

587
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 5: it's two birds, a mourning dove in a European starling,

588
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: and it's the power company themselves that conducted these tests,

589
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 5: and they're the ones say.

590
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: No, no, it's cool. See we checked it out to

591
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: the cat with a gun. Yes, yeah, cat. Can you imagine?

592
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: So it really is a mini bird apocalypse yall?

593
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

594
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a that's a terrifying image. Cats are

595
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 4: the scourge of the bird world, you know.

596
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: That's why they say if you let your cats outside,

597
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: put a bell on them, not for you finding the cat,

598
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 5: but to give the birds a fighting chance. Wow.

599
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

600
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Speaker 2: It's really puzzling. I don't know how would it so? Okay,

601
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: just theoretically, how would it be an electrical Problemly, the

602
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: shielding isn't correct on some of the ulins.

603
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: It would have to be.

604
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 5: They have to be like ungrounded, right, it would like

605
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: be to cause that level of violent explosion. There have

606
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: to be significant grounding problem that would also be very

607
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 5: for humans, potentially some sort of serious flaw.

608
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently all.

609
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 5: There is something called or a safeguard or a company

610
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 5: that creates standards in place called the Avian power Line

611
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: Interaction Committee, and there is apparently a standard that is

612
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: to be complied with for Avian safety around power lines.

613
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 5: And another spokesperson Matt Neuman from PG and he said

614
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 5: the poll at issue is compliant with Avian safeguidees.

615
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: So it's a good question, Ben, You got any theories.

616
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 5: I think there's a a a Dennis the Menace type figure,

617
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: exploding birds, an anti bird vigilante.

618
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: I like your cat with a gun theory. That's good image.

619
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, a cat with a gun is probably the most

620
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: plausible thing. Group of cats, maybe cartel related.

621
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: Well, let's stop here for now. I think I've run

622
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: over on time a little bit.

623
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Speaker 5: But let's take a quick break here a word from

624
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 5: our spot, and then we'll come back with a little

625
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: bit more strange news from mister Matti Fred's.

626
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: And we've returned. Do we all remember the cybersecurity company

627
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: crowd Strike. Do you guys remember talking about them last year?

628
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: The company was responsible for a massive global server outage.

629
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: They pushed out an update had some issues with it

630
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: to its software that's used by a lot of people.

631
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: When they put out that software, which is designed to

632
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: detect cybersecurity threats. It brought down eight and a half

633
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: million Windows systems across the globe. Who well that outage,

634
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: as is stated here by the Guardian that we will

635
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: talk about in just a moment. It caused chaos at airports,

636
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: took down computers in hospitals, which is not great, TV networks,

637
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: payment systems, and personal computers even well, guys, they just

638
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: announced earlier in May that they are gonna cut five

639
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: percent of their workforce because guess what they're putting in

640
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: instead of humans?

641
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, is it cats with guns?

642
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Yes?

643
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 5: I think I that would probably be preferable. Uh, yeah,

644
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 5: it's they have some insuation. It's a I, isn't it.

645
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: Nope, it's Chuck Testa. Uh he's a taxidermy badass. Should

646
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: look him up at Chuck Testa. Anyway, I didn't know

647
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: there were.

648
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: Bases in the Field's kind of the lebron of taxider.

649
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 4: I learned something today.

650
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's a I, guys, which.

651
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: Is also just a fraudulent term. And often this year,

652
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a broken record every time that comes.

653
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 5: Now, you're right, then, But much like you know, unliving

654
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 5: versus like assistant suicide or something. It is the term

655
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 5: that is being thrown around, but you're right. I think

656
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Speaker 5: it is worth that qualifier nearly every time because it is.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Also, crowd Strike then joins multiple other

658
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Speaker 3: tech companies and also companies in other spaces, like Duo

659
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Speaker 3: Lingo being another recent example.

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Speaker 5: It's funny my kids said, Duolingo is canceled because they're

661
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Speaker 5: using all AI. So that generation is even to keyt

662
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Speaker 5: in on this and they.

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Speaker 3: Don't like it. No, no, why would they?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: Also, what are the more interesting conversations that's going to

666
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Speaker 3: come up in the near to mid future is going

667
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Speaker 3: to be what happens when you replace c suite level

668
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Speaker 3: decisions with a large language model or some kind of AI.

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Speaker 2: We got computer computer CEOs. The CEO of CrowdStrike.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who was a human being, George.

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Speaker 3: That's far's technically physiologically, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about, well, no offense CEOs. If you're

673
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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 4: Listening, but human is a relative.

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Speaker 2: There is a higher chance that you may exhibit some

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Speaker 2: sociopathic psychopathic things. But it's fine. Just due to the

677
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Speaker 2: nature of the success you've had in the businesses you

678
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Speaker 2: front anyway, but that's fine. Yeah. George Kurtz, human Being,

679
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: chief executive of CrowdStrike, said that it's about five hundred positions,

680
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Speaker 2: or again five percent of its workforce. It's going to

681
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Speaker 2: be cut globally and it is due to not just AI,

682
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Speaker 2: but AI efficiencies that are being created right now, which,

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Speaker 2: as you said, Ben, all the companies are attempting to

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Speaker 2: find ways to do this, make it a little more efficient,

685
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Speaker 2: save a little bit more money, and then everybody's feeling

686
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Speaker 2: good in the investor side, which is really what it's

687
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Speaker 2: all about.

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Speaker 3: Until the next year when there's a new profit target. Yes,

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Speaker 3: goalposts between goal posts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly the old quarters. You can read this in

691
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Speaker 2: the Guardian. It was posted May ninth, twenty twenty five.

692
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Speaker 2: Title is tone deaf us company responsible for global IT

693
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Speaker 2: outage to cut jobs and use AI and just a

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Speaker 2: heads up. Everything I'm going to be talking about comes

695
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Speaker 2: from like late April, early May. It's stuff that kind

696
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Speaker 2: of fell through the cracks on my end at least

697
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Speaker 2: where I'd written down that we should talk about this

698
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: and then I totally forgot. But that's one. There are

699
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Speaker 2: several people in that article just citing, hey, why not

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Speaker 2: take that five percent and put them into to like

701
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Speaker 2: an emergency team. Turn that five percent of workforce into

702
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Speaker 2: an emergency team to handle stuff like when eight and

703
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: a half million machines go down because your software screwed up.

704
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Speaker 2: Or maybe a QA team that looks at updates before

705
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Speaker 2: your updates come out.

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Speaker 3: Some sort of thing that could strike a crowd of problems.

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Speaker 2: Hmmmm, like five hundred strong.

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Speaker 4: CrowdStrike. Doesn't that sound like a like a full party

709
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Speaker 4: move and a JARPG like it really good?

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Speaker 2: Strike?

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Speaker 3: Really was those names? A lot of the big companies

712
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Speaker 3: have these. I don't know, maybe maybe I'm just being pretentious,

713
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Speaker 3: but they sound they don't sound like what they do

714
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Speaker 3: is the issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, but in a victory for the people

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Speaker 2: who are losing their jobs, the company expects to incur

717
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Speaker 2: up to fifty three million dollars in costs as a

718
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Speaker 2: result of the cuts, and we're assuming that's severance packages.

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Speaker 2: That's why I say it's sure at least, hey, at

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Speaker 2: least they're gonna get a nice hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, and then you also, I mean, instead of

722
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Speaker 3: paying out into the privatized insurance system for human employees,

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Speaker 3: that cost gets replaced by maintenance for servers. That's their insurance.

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Speaker 2: What CrowdStrike needs to do is come up with some

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Speaker 2: kind of healthcare system for the AI supercomputer systems.

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Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, Matt, because I was having

727
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Speaker 3: a conversation with a friend offline. Do you guys ever

728
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Speaker 3: accidentally reinvent something like I was? I was saying, you know,

729
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 3: would be really smart. There's a three year time window

730
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Speaker 3: right now, because we were talking about increasingly monopolistic telecom

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Speaker 3: and cable services and how you know, if you have

732
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Speaker 3: enough streaming services that all want to be their own

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Speaker 3: precious little boys, you all together, you're basically paying a

734
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Speaker 3: cable bill. So my pitch was, so, yeah, my pitch was,

735
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Speaker 3: let's get a third party middle band character and it

736
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Speaker 3: will it will negotiate with the streaming services to get

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Speaker 3: ice breaks at scale, so a lower cost for the

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Speaker 3: end user. And then I realized I had accidentally reinvented

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Speaker 3: what cable was in the beginning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally so, because remember when you had to get packages, yeah, ye,

741
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Speaker 5: for like the different you know, ESPN or whatever, that

742
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Speaker 5: was the premium.

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Speaker 3: And you always had to accept you had to take

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Speaker 3: an l on a couple of channels that you didn't want,

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Speaker 3: like ESPN fourteen or or whatever. Were so many.

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Speaker 5: Is it just a matter of now under the new model,

747
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 5: that the individual networks are just getting the revenue directly,

748
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Speaker 5: and that's better for the networks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what.

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Speaker 2: In related news, Charter Communications is acquiring Cox Communications.

751
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Speaker 3: That's exactly the conversation.

752
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Speaker 2: Four and a half billion, I'm talking millions.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, why ones? I remember from my youth

754
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Speaker 5: Cox and they all tons of radio stations.

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Speaker 3: You guys to quote idiocracy, I like money.

756
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Speaker 2: Well, the cable companies have just become Internet service providers.

757
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the reshuffling of the dead.

758
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Speaker 3: I know this is not in scope of the story

759
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 3: we're discussing, but I think it does speak to the

760
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: larger trends at play because of course CrowdStrike, yes, fumble

761
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: the bag hard on that I outage, but they are

762
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Speaker 3: not unique in seeking to seeking to leverage various forms

763
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Speaker 3: of automation. And the problem then, as we as we

764
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Speaker 3: often explored in years past, we're weirdly prescient with this.

765
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Speaker 3: The problem then becomes that before you reach that halcyon

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Speaker 3: post work economy that informs star Trek, you have a

767
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Speaker 3: post worker economy. So the question then, and they have

768
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Speaker 3: to ask this, please be rational actors, CEOs and decision makers.

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Speaker 3: At what use is having streamlined, majority automated company making

770
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Speaker 3: products if the people can't buy the products because everybody

771
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Speaker 3: got fired, you know what I mean. We found the

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Speaker 3: fastest way to make the coolest car, but no one

773
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Speaker 3: can afford gas because we fired all the people who

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Speaker 3: worked at the factory.

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Speaker 2: The crap, oh crap, sort of.

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Speaker 5: It's indicative of that general shortsightedness around like move fast

777
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 5: and break stuff mentality. Right, It's like you basically move

778
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Speaker 5: fast and break stuff to the point where you don't

779
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Speaker 5: have any consumers anymore or I don't know, it's.

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Speaker 3: At some point you're just breaking.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly, thank you man.

782
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Speaker 2: That's live fast, die young guys, just die, you know,

783
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Speaker 2: all right. So I don't know, I don't know. We

784
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Speaker 2: got to move on. I'm so sorry, guys. But we

785
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Speaker 2: we talked pretty recently, I think earlier this year, maybe

786
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Speaker 2: even late last year about a little company called Bayer

787
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Speaker 2: b A Y E R. You might remember them from

788
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Speaker 2: your aspirin. Well, uh, they we talked about them because

789
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Speaker 2: they're doing an intense public relations, lobbying and legal campaign,

790
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Speaker 2: and it has to do with this little thing that

791
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Speaker 2: they acquired fairly recently in the span of the company's

792
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Speaker 2: history at least. Uh, this thing called round Up that

793
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Speaker 2: they acquired when they bought Monsanto.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, heard of it.

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Speaker 5: That was the last thing we talked about beer, Yes,

796
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Speaker 5: regarding Yeah, I think I didn't even realize how diversified

797
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Speaker 5: they were.

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Speaker 3: A good example too, yep.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And the whole the campaign is all about round up

801
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Speaker 2: or you know, round up ready products, round up, the

802
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Speaker 2: actual chemical that is an herbicide, and it's all about

803
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Speaker 2: whether or not. Actually no, it's all about the fact

804
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Speaker 2: they say that roundup is safer use and it definitely

805
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Speaker 2: doesn't cause cancer, and if it did cause cancer, it's

806
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Speaker 2: not their.

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Speaker 3: Fault, like the narcissist prayer.

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Speaker 2: Oh a little bit, a little bit. Well, guys, they

809
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: just had a massive victory here in our state of

810
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Speaker 2: Georgia because we have become the second state to pass

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Speaker 2: legislation that shields Bear and you know, round Up in

812
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Speaker 2: Monsanto and all that stuff from any lawsuits that claim

813
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Speaker 2: that Bear itself failed to warn customers about the potential

814
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Speaker 2: dangers of using the herbicide round up, right, And this goes.

815
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Speaker 3: Back to the wildly differing opinions from European authorities and

816
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Speaker 3: US authorities.

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Speaker 5: The ep European authorities tend to be a little more

818
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Speaker 5: conservative about these types of things, like literally in the

819
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Speaker 5: favor of the humans.

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Speaker 3: Well more protective. That's the concept of healthy humans. And

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Speaker 3: I guess we should also note that Bear, being a

822
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Speaker 3: global corporation, is not headquartered in the US, right.

823
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Speaker 2: No, they are in Germany, which changes things a little

824
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Speaker 2: bit legally. And it is interesting that, you know, a

825
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Speaker 2: company based in another country can spend so much money

826
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Speaker 2: on public relations and lobbying here and all kinds of stuff.

827
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Speaker 2: But again, it just makes you think about the system

828
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Speaker 2: that the way that thing's supposed to go. But at

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Speaker 2: the state level, I don't know, it hits a little

830
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Speaker 2: different to me, just thinking about, you know, governors of

831
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Speaker 2: different states being influenced so much, and then the actual

832
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Speaker 2: legislators state of each individual state being lobbied as hard

833
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Speaker 2: as the folks are in Washington, d C. It's a

834
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Speaker 2: bit weird. What insights do you find there been with

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Speaker 2: it being based in Germany.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's stuff that you KNOWL and I

837
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Speaker 3: have talked about in the past, Right, You already nailed it, Matt.

838
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: The tricky patchwork legislation in the United States, especially for

839
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Speaker 3: corporate entities of this size, action taken in the US

840
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Speaker 3: might just hit I don't know, their US subsidiary, Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't think any body is going to fly over

842
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Speaker 3: to Germany and slap handcuffs on the c suite of Bear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.

844
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Speaker 3: Also, also, Bear didn't invent Roundup, right, they bought the company.

845
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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, you know, if you buy

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Speaker 3: a used car that was involved in car accidents. That's

847
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 3: not a perfect analogy because in this analogy the car

848
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Speaker 3: you buy is still hurting people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, it should be noted that they

850
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Speaker 2: acquired I think it was twenty eighteen when they when

851
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: Bear acquired Monsanto, which is, you know, when they took

852
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 2: on all the legal responsibilities right, all of the I

853
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: don't know, they bought the car, the car that had

854
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: some serious legal issues. There was a you remember when

855
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Speaker 2: we talked about this last there was a two point

856
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Speaker 2: one billion dollar award to a single human being who

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Speaker 2: alleged round Up caused his cancer, and a lot of.

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Speaker 3: It went to his legal team.

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Speaker 4: Just to be clear. Oh yeah, that is how it goes.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, because he he made a pretty

861
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Speaker 3: solid case that live fass eight or live fascate.

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Speaker 4: How do you say it?

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Speaker 2: I think that's it. G L y P h O

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Speaker 2: s A t e ah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Live fasse eight.

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Speaker 2: You know it.

867
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Speaker 5: You know it.

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Speaker 3: Various courts have agreed it is carcinogenic, despite the EPA

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Speaker 3: here in the US disagree.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting.

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Speaker 5: I do want to say too, because I kind of

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Speaker 5: jumped in to be like, oh, you're up in there,

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Speaker 5: human I need to focus on human rights and the

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Speaker 5: you know, the safety of their citizens. That does not

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Speaker 5: preclude them from having evil corporations. I just do that, clear,

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Speaker 5: come and I can't not. I just finished it, guys,

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Speaker 5: and I'm pretty sure Ben you've seen it.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember if we talked about this, but the

880
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: show Common Side Effects on Adult Swim is about this

881
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 5: very thing, the idea of like how evil corporations would

882
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 5: keep people from having, you know, cures, They keep wanting

883
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 5: to keep people sick, et cetera. But it has taken

884
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 5: to the most extreme and psychedelic degree. It's a really

885
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 5: great show.

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Speaker 3: Not a cure, thank you, solve a symptoms.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly in a way where they they could even

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Speaker 5: take something that might be a cure.

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Speaker 4: Let's just let's let's nerf it alone, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean. We don't want to give them the whole thing. Right.

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Speaker 2: Let's get a quote from Brian Naghbor, president of Bear's

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Speaker 2: Crop Sciences in both North America, Australia and New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: It's not spelled neighbor the way it should be, though, folks.

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Speaker 3: That would be too cool of a name. It's in

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Speaker 3: a e er. Sorry, Brian got so close man.

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Speaker 2: Well. He says that this new law quote demonstrates that

897
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Speaker 2: Georgia stands with its farmers who work tirelessly to produce

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Speaker 2: safe and affordable food. We agree. We're on the side

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Speaker 2: of humble farmer all day long. We get it here.

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Speaker 4: Rebel Moon got canned. Not no more Rebel Moon, No

901
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 4: more humble farmer. They're not.

902
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Speaker 5: They gave up on it. Sorry, it'll come back with

903
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 5: the power of belief. We'll keep the humble farmer mythos

904
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Speaker 5: alive on this show alone.

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00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: Yes, once Netflix gets acquired by Charter again, it'll come

906
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Speaker 2: back for another.

907
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Speaker 5: And then they all get bought by Unilever, and then

908
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Speaker 5: all programs become about soap.

909
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Speaker 3: Yes, and of course ultimately this is great for the consumer. Matt,

910
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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear a little bit more and then

911
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: we're going to play not quite Devil's Advocate. But I

912
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Speaker 3: suggest we we walk through some knock on context that

913
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Speaker 3: a lot of people aren't thinking about when they hear

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00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: these uh, you know, infuriating reports.

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00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: Well, let's jump to it.

916
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: I tell me, okay, So Brian says that you know,

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Speaker 3: this is a move to show that Georgia, which is

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Speaker 3: an agricultural state, supports the people growing food right and produce.

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00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: That is that is the public statement. Critics will say,

920
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: you know, you are not protecting farmers you are or

921
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: humble farmers. You are protecting large corporate interests. However, the

922
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Speaker 3: peace of the puzzle that doesn't get reported as often

923
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: is the accelerating deterioration of arable land. There is a

924
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: world very much on the horizon, and some of us

925
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: in the crowd listening tonight are going to be alive

926
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Speaker 3: to see it. There is a world wherein humanity will

927
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Speaker 3: need incredibly a rollout of much more sophisticated farming methods

928
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: and a lot of the traditional methods simply aren't going

929
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 3: to work where they work today. So you can make

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00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: an argument that if not now here in the near future,

931
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Speaker 3: companies will say they need these pesticides just to create

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Speaker 3: basic food, not evel fancy stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're protecting round up ready crops, which is

934
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: a whole other episode that we did way back in

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Speaker 2: the day.

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Speaker 3: Terminal seed lines.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because back in the day, in the nineties

938
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Speaker 2: ninety six, to be exact, round up at Monsanto using

939
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: their round Up herbicide, created genetically modified crops like soybeans, corn,

940
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Speaker 2: sugar beets, cotton, alfalfa that were genetically modified to be

941
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Speaker 2: resistant to round up. So you could just douse those

942
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: babies in round up and they're not going to die,

943
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: but all the other things that grow in the soil

944
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Speaker 2: will die, all the bad stuff that you don't want.

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Speaker 3: Right, And Monsanto would crack down hard on anybody who

946
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Speaker 3: happened to have an adjacent farm where in seeds or

947
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Speaker 3: you know, some part of that substance transmitted to their land,

948
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Speaker 3: and Monsanto would accuse them of IP theft and things

949
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Speaker 3: like that. Also terminal seed lines. Ooh in Citi is

950
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: talking about you know, Tenol's really you're point about selling

951
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: a service rather than a cure.

952
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to buy the seeds for that crop,

953
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: and then you got to buy more seeds for the

954
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Speaker 2: next crop. You can't take seeds out of what you're

955
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: pulling out of the ground because they don't do that

956
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: no more. Now you got to just continually buy in

957
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: this weird subscription model all your crops from on Santo

958
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: slash now bear. So that's really what we're talking about here.

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00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: I also will argue or posit. I don't want it

960
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: to be an argument, folks. I will also posit that

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Speaker 3: there is a great deal of efficiency and wisdom to

962
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 3: be learned from older indigenous farming techniques, and they could

963
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: be the answers.

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Speaker 4: Rotation right, things like the three sisters and so on.

965
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: There could be answers in that old technology that are

966
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 3: being ignored, perhaps because of path dependency on the part

967
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: of big agriculture. But it is a problem humanity is

968
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: going to have to wrestle. But things aren't going to

969
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: get serious as not even the race for clean water escalates,

970
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: but as the race for arable land escalates. Everybody by MRIs.

971
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Speaker 3: Make sure to change your MRI's out when the expiration

972
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Speaker 3: date hits.

973
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Speaker 4: The good thing about sponsored by MRIs even after the here's.

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Speaker 3: The brilliant thing about MRIs though, guys, even after the

975
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: expiration date, you can usually eat them because the secret

976
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 3: is they never start off good.

977
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 4: It does get worse over time.

978
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean we I just had that conversation here.

979
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: I had a bunch of giant cans of things as

980
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: like an emergency if there's just a tornado or something,

981
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, whatever just happened.

982
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Speaker 3: Smart.

983
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: Well, I got those back in twenty twenty one, twenty

984
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: twenty two, and the canned foods just went bad. So

985
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: it was a discussion of well, how do we actually

986
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: because the food isn't bad in these yet, they're still

987
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: good to go. They're sealed in that can, baby, right,

988
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: do we just keep it around? Do we just get

989
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: some new ones? I don't know what's the deal.

990
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: What do we do?

991
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: Can we donate them? And I found out a lot

992
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: of food shelters and food banks will receive you've, especially

993
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: a larger can of food that is expired, as long

994
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: as it's within a certain time period after expiration, because

995
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: the food is still violent it's still good to you know.

996
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 4: Those are sell by dates.

997
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 5: I mean even like on like non can stuff you

998
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 5: can usually I'm not, you know, giving medical advice here,

999
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 5: like you know, air on the side of a couple

1000
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 5: of weeks past it.

1001
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: At the very least, it's just about selling.

1002
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: This is official medical advice from doctor Noel Brown.

1003
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 5: Please, if you have eat that month old yogurt.

1004
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: If you have any issues, please, of course don't hesitate

1005
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: to reach out to our complaint department. Jonathan Strickland at

1006
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 3: iHeartMedia dot com twenty four hours a night, seven nights

1007
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: a week. I'd love to hear from you and really

1008
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: walk them through it.

1009
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, step by step? Uh, step by step? What

1010
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: is it? How does that song got a Day back?

1011
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not quite as good as the Perfect Stranger's

1012
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: theme song, but.

1013
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 4: Don't even get me started. We love that one. We

1014
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 4: still love that one.

1015
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: Wow, it's so much better than the actual show. But

1016
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 3: that's how sitcoms went back then, and we have, I

1017
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: think mutually a lot we did not get to yet,

1018
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: some of which may have to occur at a later date.

1019
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have time for a few of these stories.

1020
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: We'll bring them back next time. One in particular, the

1021
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: second one guys, I think we have to do a

1022
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: full update episode, like a proper episode on Virginia Jeoffrey,

1023
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 2: who recently, at least according to reports and her family,

1024
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: took her own life, although there are other members of

1025
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: her family who say she did not. So I'm afraid

1026
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: we're having a bit of a situation within the Jeffrey

1027
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: Epstein saga of another person who has taken their own life,

1028
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of questions around it.

1029
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 3: So agreat yeah, sort of. We've got other episodes coming

1030
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: up that we have to cover that one. I think

1031
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: we should also do an update on the JFK recent declassifications,

1032
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 3: and then I hate you guys up off air. Do

1033
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: you think pheromones work on people?

1034
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 4: You work on me, baby.

1035
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: My pheromones are powerful.

1036
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: Your musk is strong, Matt, I've always said that you

1037
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 5: got a strong man.

1038
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 3: Nusson, and we want to hear from you folks on

1039
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: all these and other stories. Also, what do you think

1040
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: of Matt's man? We also might have Abercrombie and Fitch

1041
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: episode on the way. In the meantime, we can't thank

1042
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: you enough for tuning in. We also want to thank

1043
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 3: our super producers try Force in the Tennessee pal, and

1044
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: we would love to hear from you. You can call

1045
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: us on the phone, you can meet us on the

1046
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 3: social needs should thou sip, and you can give us

1047
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: a good old fashioned email. But hey, you're already on

1048
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: the internet until that CME hits, so why not find

1049
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: us there?

1050
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: That's right.

1051
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 5: You can find us at the handle conspiracy stuff, where

1052
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 5: we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group here's where

1053
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 5: it gets crazy, on YouTube where we have video content

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1055
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Speaker 4: Where can spiratcy stuff show guys?

1057
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Speaker 2: Quick interlude here Ben on the CME tip. Did you

1058
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: see the news about the X class solar flares that

1059
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: actually took out communications in parts of the world. It

1060
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: just happened like solar flares though not even CMEs flares

1061
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 2: that didn't Yikes, Okay, holy schnikes. Okay. Our phone number

1062
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,760
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1066
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1067
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Speaker 2: via textings of some sort. We're not instead send us

1068
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Speaker 2: an email.

1069
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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every piece of correspondence

1070
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Speaker 3: we received. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

1071
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: writes back, if you listened to the end, here is

1072
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Speaker 3: the thing we teased. It's an excellent read, and we

1073
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Speaker 3: hope that it does help you in your day to

1074
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Speaker 3: day life. But if it does, good luck. Have you

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00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: ever thought is that a hiker or a vagrant or

1076
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: a spy? Well, Latvia is very worried about that, and

1077
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Speaker 3: in their recent threat assessment, their Defense Intelligence and Security

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Speaker 3: Service gave the public pointers on how to identify or

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Speaker 3: how to differentiate between a scraggly little scamp and a

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Speaker 3: spy in disguise. So shout out to Eve Sampson, writing

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Speaker 3: for The New York Times. We'd love to hear other

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