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Speaker 1: We've all been seeing the ads if you flip into

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Speaker 1: your TikTok. My first reaction over the last couple of

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Speaker 1: pretty cringey. I was not expecting a NC seventeen version

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Speaker 1: of what I want in a roast, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: I turned that thing on. Now it's long, no spoilers

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Speaker 1: This thing is basically this is is not for kids.

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Speaker 1: So ultimately you're doing it for money, but he's already

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Speaker 1: He already did, and then the NFL said, no, you

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Speaker 1: this long diet tribe the other day about Jimmy Butler,

429
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: basically like if he's not playing, he needs to shut up.

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00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Everyone in the NBA was like, I can't believe, oh, Mike,

431
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: because no one would say that. That's like a typical

432
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: Monday after a game week three for seventeen NFL teams.

433
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: So to me, the cultures are so much different. Let

434
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: alone what is asked of you physically, and then the

435
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: weekly grind like in the NBA, just get to play.

436
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: It's why anyone growing up playing basketball, whether you played

437
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: in college, high school, whatever, you can play pick up whatever,

438
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: you just show up. Who The NFL is not a

439
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: sport where you just show up and play football. You

440
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: practice like ninety percent of the time. You spend countless

441
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: hours in meetings just watching film, learning taking notes. I'm

442
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: telling you, if they were two industries, one would be

443
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: like tech and one would be like, I don't know,

444
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: construction or something. They have nothing in common beside athletic.

445
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: People played the two sports, And I just think it

446
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: was a stupid argument. If you think, yeah, could a

447
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: guy just show up and play a game. If he

448
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: put tyrese Maxie out at wide receiver and have him

449
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: run some go routes, sure could he play seventeen games?

450
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: What happens the first time he runs over the middle

451
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: and someone tackles them hard? And I'm not acting like

452
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: the guy's not tough, But there's a level of toughness

453
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: and violence in football, college and pro that is has

454
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: no similarities to the sport of basketball in twenty twenty four. None,

455
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: absolutely none. So I think this conversation is just it's fun,

456
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: it's enjoyable. We all make jokes about it. But the

457
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: world the NBA is living in is a completely different

458
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: universe that NFL players have to take on, and they're

459
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: used to it. You get dumb to it. It's like

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00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: anyone that works in any industry. You get used to

461
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: the quarks, the things you like, the things you don't like.

462
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: But you know, like, yeah, it's probably not changing, much

463
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: like the NFL is never going to get to a

464
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: point where oline coaches aren't yelling at at the offensive

465
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: lineman saying mean shit to him non stop, kind of

466
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: let's it go off your back. The NBA used to

467
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: be like that. The NBA I grew up on coaches

468
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: used to coach the mart. Phil Jackson was all over

469
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's ass. That would never happen today. The moment

470
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: you look at me funny er, I think you're an idiot.

471
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: You're fired. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So

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00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: this conversation, while fun, is kind of dumb because one,

473
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Speaker 1: if you're an NBA player, you'd much rather play, and

474
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you could do both, what would you choose?

475
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: You would play in the NBA. The average salary seven

476
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: million dollars, the overwhelming majority of just decent players get

477
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: enormous second contracts, and the injury risk, which I've always

478
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: thought was crazy because how high these guys are jumping

479
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: is much lower and you have much more power. There's

480
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: less of you because like the NFL, you split the

481
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: revenue with the owners, but there's only twelve fifteen guys

482
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: a team, So that's why these guys get paid more money.

483
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: Where the NFL you're splitting the revenue up between fifty

484
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: three times thirty two, and obviously there's two less teams

485
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: in the NBA. So this conversation to me, in any

486
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: NFL guy thinking they go and drop thirty points you know,

487
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: I saw Micah Parsons. They're out of their mind as well,

488
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: because if you're six two, you're a midget in the

489
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: NFL or in the NBA, you're tiny. Tiny. Jalen Brunson small, right,

490
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: he's six foot six ' one size of the majority

491
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: guys at different positions in the NFL linebacker, corner, wide receiver,

492
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: running backs six to one or smaller. He's like, feels

493
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: like one of the smallest guys in the NBA. And

494
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm watching the OKC Thunder the other night. Every guy

495
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: they had out there was like six to six nine,

496
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: and then they had Chet Holmbern, who's like seven to one.

497
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: The size Draymond Green actually is an very undersized player.

498
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: He's like six five and a half six ' six.

499
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson is taller at six seven, So I think

500
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: we underestimate the size differences. And it's a fun combo,

501
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: but kind of stupid. Something happened last week after we

502
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: recorded the GOLO podcast. Tiger Woods Is, I mean in

503
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: his heyday is probably my favorite athlete because I was

504
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: like older than when Michael Jordan was in his heyday,

505
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: so I could really experience it. And I'll never forget

506
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: my senior year in college, I was moving out and

507
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: all we had was a TV and watching him play

508
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: RockA on Sunday and then then watching on Monday by

509
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: myself in this house that was empty. He's he meant

510
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot to my sports watching youth. You know, I consumed,

511
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of people in the two thousands, Eldrick

512
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: tiger Woods. I love golf. He's the best golfer I've

513
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: ever seen and probably ever will see. And there was

514
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: nothing like him in part of tiger Woods, and I

515
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: owned a ton of tiger Woods polos, Tiger Woods hats.

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00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: Even as I've gotten bald, I've bought some of those

517
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: Nike Tiger Woods hats because they cover my entire head.

518
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: Anytime he plays, I watch, even though obviously he's very compromised. Now,

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00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: I just think this Sunday Red thing is going to

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00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: be a failure. And I think there are several elements

521
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: of this one. He wants it to be kind of

522
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: like a higher end luxury brand. So I wrote down

523
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: the prices. A ballmarker is fifty dollars, a T shirt

524
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: is seventy, a hat's forty, which isn't crazy. A polo

525
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: is one twenty to one fifty, which i'd says a lot.

526
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: A sweater is two bills and the pants are about

527
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: a buck seventy. It's expensive stuff. Tiger Wood's in his

528
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: heyday sold a lot of shit. I've said forever that

529
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: he revolutionized the business casual in America because forever people

530
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: wore weird stuff there weren't. The polos were huge, even

531
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: go back to some of the pictures when he first

532
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: started on tour, and then when they created that dry

533
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: fit material, all the other companies followed suit and everyone

534
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: that worked, you know, a white collar job that did not,

535
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: or a hell farmers. I don't care what you did construction.

536
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you were a construction management guy, if

537
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: you didn't wear a suit to work, you could throw

538
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: on a pair of jeans and a tucked in polo.

539
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: That fabric dry fit fit well, everyone was wearing it

540
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: all over the place. Changed the game. But he had

541
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: two things going for him. One, he was easily, very

542
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: early on, became one of the most famous athletes in

543
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: the world because he was the best player at a

544
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: sport that is just difficult because you're playing one hundred

545
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: and fifty people, and he was beating the shit out

546
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: of all of them. He destroyed everybody. I mean, it

547
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: was not a fair all right. And then combined with that,

548
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: he had the Nike marketing campaign machine behind him, so

549
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 1: Tiger didn't really have to sell. He just had to

550
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: dominate at golf, and he looked so sweet in the clothes,

551
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: and the Nike marketing machine was incredible with commercials. It

552
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: was the ultimate combination of sales. It's like everyone wanted

553
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: something with Tiger Woods, even if he didn't play golf,

554
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: probably had a polo, probably had a hat. You probably

555
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: had something, and if you went into a store, you

556
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: knew exactly what that was. The tw the different colors,

557
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: the Sunday Red, and then he created this company, Sunday Red,

558
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: which listen, creating a brand from scratch is tough. It's

559
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: not easy to pick a name. Anyone that's read Shoe

560
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: Dog Nike was kind of randomly picked. It wasn't even

561
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be that name. So it's not some of

562
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: these things that are created that now have a lot

563
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: of brand equity. McDonald's was just the last name of

564
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: the brothers that started the burger chain that Ray Rock

565
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: ran into and basically stole the idea for him. So

566
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate on Sunday Red, even though, let's

567
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: face it, it's not that great. I would have just

568
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: gone with tw Here's the problem. Tiger Woods is not

569
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: a sales guy. I watched some of the clips of

570
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: him doing his PR campaign last week one it made

571
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: me shake my head. It's not necessarily his fault, but

572
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: his PR team sent him on what they would have

573
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: done back in two thousand and five. Good Morning America.

574
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: Let's go on some morning show with Carson Daily, Let's

575
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: go on with Jimmy Fallon. Who are you marketing this

576
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: to Let's face it, you're marketing this to someone thirty

577
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: five to fifty five with a higher household income with

578
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: some coin. Those people are not watching any of those shows.

579
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: My mom watches Good Morning America. A lot of older

580
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: people watch that show. But that's not who really Tiger

581
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: Woods is marketing. He should be marketing this to me.

582
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: A forty year old guy plays golf, has a little coin,

583
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: just would buy these clothes. Potentially. Here's another problem. He's

584
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: coming into a saturated market. Anyone that walks into a

585
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: pro shop or a golf shop, there are a million

586
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: brands that all kind of resonate with us, Travis Matthews,

587
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: Johnny Oh, Peter Malar, and they're not cheap, but they

588
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: have brand equity that like. Yeah, I like the Travis

589
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: Matthew shirt. It fits pretty well on me. I know

590
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I love Peter Mallar, I love

591
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: Johnny Oh, buddy of mine. Chris just got me a

592
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: nice polo for taking him golf in a couple weeks ago.

593
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: Johnny Oh looks sweet. So Tiger is competing against those,

594
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: but those people are already pushing it hard selling it.

595
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Tiger Wood is not a very good salesman. I would

596
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: have said, Tiger, don't do any of the crap. The

597
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: morning shows are the late night shows. Go on some

598
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: big podcasts or some big YouTube show. Go on, Pat McAfee,

599
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: go on with Colin, go on, no laying up, or barstool,

600
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: go on, pardon my take, go on, go do something

601
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: more relevant to me. It just these guys don't know

602
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: how to sell. He never had to he never had

603
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: to sell. All he had to do was play and dominate,

604
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: and that sold itself, and Nike was behind him. Well,

605
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: now he doesn't have Nike behind him anymore. And his

606
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: number one ability to sell was his play. Well, he

607
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: doesn't play anymore, plays like four times a year, and

608
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: God love him, he's just not very good anymore relative

609
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: to the dominant player that he once was. Like MG

610
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: hasn't dribbled the ball professionally in whatever twenty plus years.

611
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. He has Nike behind him, having that backing.

612
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: They do this naturally. So I'm watching Sunday Red one.

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00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: The marketing doesn't really exist because that's not the business

614
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: he's in. And then Tiger is just to pound the

615
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: pavement like high Noon. Why is high Noon so big?

616
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Now they got with Portanoy, and Portnoy starts selling the

617
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: shit out of it, and now it's fucking everywhere. You

618
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: need someone to sell if you don't just have like

619
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: Lebron James or Kobe Bryant wearing your shoes because that

620
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: was always Tiger was He just Tiger was wearing it

621
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: so you wanted to wear it. Well, now I don't

622
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: care that he wears it, barely breaks seventy five, barely

623
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: can walk seventy two holes. I'm not trying to talk

624
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: shit about him. It's not necessarily I mean, it's kind

625
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: of his fault. Self inflicted car accident, but it changed

626
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: his career, so I'm just betting against his company. I

627
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: do not think it's gonna work because I'm the type

628
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: guy who can walk into a store and if I

629
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: see a polo I like. Regardless, I'm not gonna pay

630
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars for a polo, But if I really

631
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: believed in the brand, wanted to support it, liked it,

632
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: I'll spend probably more than I should on a couple

633
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: of collared shirts. I would not buy these shirts one.

634
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: I don't even think the logo looks that good. Why

635
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: would he not just continue somewhat of a similar logo.

636
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people say the famous fist

637
00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: pump like Michael's logo is very just you never forget it.

638
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: It's etched in stone in our brains, and I think

639
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: Tiger made a very very bad mistake. But I don't

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Speaker 1: even blame him. This is not his business. He does

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Speaker 1: not understand because he's never really had to do it.

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Speaker 1: So I guess I'm just shorting this idea. I do

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Speaker 1: not think it's gonna work, and that pains me to

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Speaker 1: say that the volume