WEBVTT - Harry Litman & Rep. Jared Moskowitz 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.840 today's best minds and Washington Post ABC News IPSOS poll 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:17.799 says Democrats have a fourteen point advantage in certainty that 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.599 they will vote in the midterms, the widest since at 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.160 least two thousand and six. We have such a great 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:28.280 joke for you today, talking FEDS. Harry Littman stops by 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.240 to talk about the interesting details of the DOJ hiding 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:38.000 a report that alleges trumpet sexual interactions with the minor. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.760 Then we'll talk to Congressman Jared Moscow. It's about how 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.479 the public might be able to see more of the 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.640 Epstein files. But first the news. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.080 Milly, I know last night you were like, I can't 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.640 believe how much I enjoyed President Trump's State of the 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.880 Union speech. You were just texting me feveredly like, yes, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.279 these are the greatest moments of my life. Well, I'm 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.160 going to shock you here to tell you since I 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.680 was being very sarcastic, that's how everyone else felt. And 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.040 this is the least popular speech of the century that's 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:06.560 been pulled. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:11.480 Let's talk about this poll here. Donald Trump's State of 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.800 the Union speech least popular this century. Usually polls are 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.920 split like four ways or five ways, you know, disagree, 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:27.560 strongly disagree, you know, a neutral option, agree and strongly agree. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.560 What happened here is that Donald Trump he has like 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:35.920 the haters. They're really strongly disagreeing, and his hater numbers 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.679 are really really high. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.360 Would you say that this might be the haters and 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:42.000 the losers. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.839 So voters are unconvinced that Trump will lower the cost 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.200 of living, and there's a reason for that, and that's 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.880 because he won't. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.480 What was also really interesting is the c SPED dial 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.720 poll last night that tanked for him. Like people, even 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.160 the Republicans turned down the dial toy. We don't believe 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:02.200 that what do you say is true? 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.400 It was a speech where Trump did a lot of 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:10.840 his usual shtick, and the cost of living problems are big, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.399 and you have someone who has literally come into office 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.119 and has made things worse and was offered I mean, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.600 I think voters sort of understand that. Overturning the tariffs 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.360 the way the Supreme Court did gave Donald Trump an 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.720 off ramp, which he refused to take. Nearly two thirds 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.239 of speech watchers said they had at least a somewhat 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.799 positive reaction to Trump's speech. So remember those are, by 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.560 the way, Republicans, right, because most of the people who 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.360 were watching that speech were Republicans, and they didn't like 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.639 it as much as they had liked it last year. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.240 So I mean, you're really seeing, like the speech and 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.440 the pulling all sort of reflecting the same sense, which 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.960 is that after a decade of this, even Trump's most 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.280 fervent folks are getting exhausted. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.359 Well, if you wanted more proof about how unpopular he is. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.720 During the State of the Union last night, Democrats won 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:12.200 three elections. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.040 Yeah. So they were special elections, as there are often 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:23.040 on Tuesdays. These were two in Pennsylvania and one in 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:29.680 the Great State of Maine and their state legislative seats. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.919 And again you have a democratic governor in both of 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.320 those states, and Shapiro is like this very popular governor. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.360 Mills polls much as well. But they both need to 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.320 have a democratic state house in order to get anything done. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.440 So these are big wins for both of them. And 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:50.520 again it just shows that special elections Democrats have been 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.040 wildly overperforming. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.880 Yeah, and we've been seeing that consistently throughout the last year. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.480 Since Trump was elected and goes along with a lot 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.760 of pulling are seeing So I know you and I 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.400 have often been skeptical of some pulling, but uh, the 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.160 elections keep lining up with the polls. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:06.760 Yeah. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.240 All that's about to change, though, because the face of 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:17.720 this administration, that giddy young fellow, everyone's favorite FBI. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.440 Head can get you here is either face or the 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:21.840 eyes of the administration. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.000 I was trying not to do that. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.200 Well, what the FBI is always watching, BALI that's what 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:27.760 I met by that. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:33.560 Yes, so the FBI, which has historically been headed by 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:40.640 a serious suit wearing kind of boring Republican but you know, 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:41.560 sort of can I. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.400 Give you another pushbuck suit wearing j Edgar Hoover. I 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:46.280 don't think that's what it was. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:48.880 We knew just said. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:49.920 So. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:54.120 The job once occupied by boring tall guy James call 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.800 me is now occupied by short, party loving Cash Battale. 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:04.120 This weekend, he took the jet to the men's hockey game, 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:10.240 where he then did an incredible TikTok of drinking beer 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.120 in Milan discuss So. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.239 When Charlie Kirk, who is a hero for them, was murdered, 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.120 it took a little while for the investigation to get 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:23.040 started because somebody was busily traveling on some jets that 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.320 they weren't supposed to do. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.360 Yeah, I mean, and we keep seeing this again and again. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.640 When the federal government works, nobody thinks about it. It's like, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.080 you know, it's like federal aviation. When it works, you 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.680 just don't think about it if you're a normal airline flyer. 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.280 But when it doesn't work, everybody notices. And so we 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.440 saw this this summer when the FBI took somebody in 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.080 it wasn't the right guy. Tweeted about how they had 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.240 somebody in custody. Wasn't the right guy. And this is 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.360 the thing we've seen before too, with a lot of 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.800 these different high profile cases, is that the FBI take 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.240 somebody in the follow a tip it doesn't work. And 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.000 this is a whistleblower who I think has got a 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.279 good point here. And look, there's a reason that the 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:13.040 FBI is historically though again to talk about Hoover for 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.520 a minute, hasn't always been nonpartisan, but it's supposed to 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.640 be nonpartisan. Is because catching bad guys should not be 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.560 a partisan activity. It should just be something that the 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.719 FBI does. That was not why Cash Buttel took the job. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:32.360 He took the job to do cool shit like going 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.880 to the Olympics, and during the time when he was 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.440 supposed to be looking for the killer of Charlie Kirk, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:44.840 they couldn't get the planes because Patel had been engaged 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:51.120 in irresponsible joy riding on FBI operated aircraft's at the 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.960 expense of the American taxpayer. I just want to point 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:59.920 out this is not all that different than what everyone's favorite. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:06.080 Christy no secretary of private jets. She's trying to buy 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.720 a new one. She also does. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.280 That, you know, a legal deportation mascot has circled around 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:12.040 my brain a lot. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.840 Yeah, that's a good one. I don't know as someone 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.560 who enjoys plastic surgery, I thought she looked like she 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.960 was melting last night too much. Baby. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.040 I think that's a general vibe for her. Yeah, okay. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.720 So when we think of the woke leftist Marxist as 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.680 mister Trump likes to talk about, you know who, I 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.720 often think of that with that as Goldman Sachs. You know, 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.600 they are so so anti capitalist, so and so. One 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.240 of the things we do this economy is built on 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.080 right now, is ai one of the weird things we're 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.720 seeing is all these companies release people from their jobs 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.720 and then go, oh, this didn't help. These AI agents 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.200 are working the way that all the hypists told us 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.520 they would. And so now we have a report from 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.880 Goldman Sachs that is very similar to a report from 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.240 Apple that also said nearly the exact same thing, which 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.880 is AI added basically zero to US economic growth last year. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.160 Yes, in case you're wondering if AI is a bubble, 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:14.400 gold In Zacks says, yes, AI added basically zero, which 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.080 means the Donald Trump hockey video, one of the great 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:22.440 pieces of AI slop, is not adding to our economy. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.600 I am shocked. It turns out that the AI revolution 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:33.280 is we don't actually view AI investments as strong growth positive. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.440 I think there's a lot of misreporting the impact of 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.160 AI investments had on the US GDP growth in twenty 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:47.000 twenty five. It's much smaller than is often perceived. Oh, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.840 I feel like we're you know, it's like wiley coyote 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.320 running off the cliff. 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:52.840 You know. And I keep thinking of it's not a 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.680 house of cards. It's a house of cards where the 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.040 cards are printed on it, or a bunch of pictures 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.800 of a very muscular Donald Trump. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:06.720 Things are going great. Harry Littman is a former US 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:11.080 attorney in the host of the podcast Talking Feds. Welcome, Welcome, Harry. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.880 We're having our Talking Feds fast politics matchup, mash up, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.680 not match up the hope. I want to talk to 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:25.320 you about these Epstein files. So the big news is 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.880 that Congressman Garcia, who actually we've all been talking to. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.079 I interviewed him yesterday. He's on the scene as the 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.960 ranking member of oversight. James Comer is of course the 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.040 chair of the oversight. Because Republicans control the House, they 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.960 control the committees. But basically this has been reported by 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:47.600 NPR and also our friend Roger Sullenberger. But there are 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.360 all of these missing files, and what we have is 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.679 the numbers of the files are in the FBI disclosure 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.680 but then the files are missing. Talk us through what 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.120 we're seeing with the Epstein files, and this is just 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.120 this strane of documents. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:04.960 It's really true. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:06.880 By the way, Good to be with you, Molly, mash 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:11.000 up excellent, excellent old culture reference. So look, here's the 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.760 important thing, Molly. These are the crown jewel kinds of documents. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.720 When it came time to what has been revealed before, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.040 what hasn't What everyone wanted to see was so called 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:29.760 three oh two reports filed by FBI agents to memorialize interviews. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.320 I want you to explain exactly what a three tozho 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.679 two document is because I've heard about it endlessly, but 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:37.360 no one has ever said down and explained to me 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:37.840 what it is. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:39.360 You come in. You're a victim. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.200 First of all, we saw in that horrendous hearing with 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.559 BONDI most of the victims haven't even had a chance 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.959 to go to the DOJ. This is one who did 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.320 sat down with an FBI agent and gave her a story, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:56.319 and the FBI agent sort of mechanistically writes down everything she. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.439 Said, so we know what the allegations are. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.640 And that's what a three to OO two and. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.640 The three h two is that report. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.280 So from the start we knew there'd be emails that 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.840 don't talk about much. So, by the way, you're really awesome. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.760 New York Times op ed shows the panoramic scope of 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.480 this whole thing, with all the currency that isn't straight 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:21.000 up sex trafficking. But these are the very memos that show, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.800 among other things, what he's alleged to have done, but 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.079 also when the DOJ knew about it and what they 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.240 did about it. So here these are the majority of 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.040 three h two reports from a victim who we know 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:40.079 was talking about Trump, and somehow mysteriously they've disappeared. It's 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.800 just one example NPR did its detective work. There could 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:48.280 be others, but this alone, Molly, are the very sorts 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.720 of documents that people who know what's in an FBI 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.760 file have been most eager to see. What exactly did 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.680 the victims tell you? What are the allegations? This is 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.400 the sort of document would use, for example, to build 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.280 a criminal investigation or whatever you would do with it. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.040 But this is the real, you know, kind of money 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.160 documents of the of the pile. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:10.840 And they're missing. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.600 First of all, I think there's something like fifteen in 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.520 total from this victim. Only one has been made public. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.120 Apparently some others have been revealed to Congress, but the 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:25.000 majority have just not been revealed, which we know only 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.600 because NBR happened to stumble across it. So it goes 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.680 to this broader point, if I can, which is somehow 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:36.200 DOOJ and Todd Blanche, even though they were late and 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.760 non compliant, all the way never said anything about redactions. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.280 They seem, I think, to be an aposter of raising 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.840 it out with a couple million documents undlivered at least 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.000 from what they'd estimated, and just hope that like, oh, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.679 we're sort of done now. We did our best, and 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.640 this is an example of what their best it is. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.400 So let's talk about a three or two for a second. 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.600 We have all of these victims who are hanging out, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.120 going to events. Some are going to be at the 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.199 State of the Union tonight. We know that Schumer is 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:15.520 bringing Danny Belski, who's one of the clearest communicators of 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.040 the victims, and I met her before. She's really great. 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.840 All of these victims have told Representative Garcia, have told me, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.839 have told others that they have sat for three O 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.040 two's and they do not want their testimony to be redacted, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.920 and they don't understand why it would be redacted. Explain 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.520 to us why a three to two, what the rationale 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.880 for these reactions are if there is a rationale, And 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.439 I also want you to talk about the way this 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:48.199 law was written. It's written so that BONDI was supposed 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.880 to explain the reactions. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.040 Great questions and look you and I were together. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.120 We've been on deadline whin I was with a victim 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.360 who's and I want to add one thing, which is 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.200 my understanding. And this was from the BONDI hearing a 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.160 lot of them wanted to but never got the chance 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.800 to talk to the FBI. Anyway, the FBI sits down 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.520 and takes down everything, including the names of the people 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.360 who were involved, especially the names of the people who 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.640 were involved, and these missing documents we have reason to 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.480 think have Donald Trump all over them, and maybe others who. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.920 Else could substantiate this, etc. Etc. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.840 Now the Epstein Transparency Act, this is also really important 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.600 because there are normal rules that the DOJ could apply 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.800 when asked to give documents, for example, don't give over 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.320 grand jury documents. Epstein Transparency Act voted on by every 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.080 member of Congress, but one signed in the law by Trump. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.720 Trump saw that it says, here are the narrow reasons 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:49.040 you can redact, and only these, so your other reasons 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.880 are out the window. Redactions they're supposed to make. One 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:57.280 of them is for victim confidentiality, so we're not supposed 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.920 to find out victim's names. Of course, as it turns out, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.080 we found out not only victims' names, but also pictures 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.480 and what was redacted a lot of names. It sure 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:13.920 appears of big shot customers or people otherwise involved with Epstein. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:18.080 Witness again your New York Times up in all kinds 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:18.520 of people. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.040 He was a concierge to the rich. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.840 As you put it, they get somehow get blacked out 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.400 even though there's no legal authority. But the final point 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.960 that you raised about Bondie, and there's a lot going 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.720 on with redactions, Yes, they're required, so you can evaluate 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.920 them because anything they could react could potentially yield. They 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.560 have to give a real reason. Well, in this case, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.800 we're saying this, and here are the three reasons that qualifies. 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.880 They've done that exactly zero times. They've made a few 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.800 kind of general thoughts about why they did it, and 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.760 they've given Congress or court nothing to work with. They 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.640 say they will down the line. That's a really big 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.120 deal for you know, from the lawyer's standpoint, knowing if 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.840 they've done it right. Okay, hey, my turn, but I 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.800 want to stick with Epstein. You know, we find out 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.040 in the last week this huge disconnect between you know, 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:17.560 clearly the center of Epstein's activity and as you put 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.360 it again is big concierge service doling out jobs in 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.680 Woody Allen movies or the like. Is the United States, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:30.160 and here the fallout has been relatively muted and basically 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:35.000 zero in the government I'm thinking of Howard Latnik in particular. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.480 But in Europe it's been huge their investigations, not necessarily 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.080 even about the sex stuff. Andrew is now under criminal 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.560 arrest because of maybe having fed him private information. What 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.880 is the kind of political underpinnings of the fact that 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:56.760 until now the fallout is next to nothing here, the 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.160 real fallout, you know, in terms of like careers and 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.400 as you and like Asha. When Goppa's point about shame 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.600 so much less here than Europe, what the hell? 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.480 So I think that there are two things happening here. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.920 One is that so there have been two arrests. One 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.199 was Andrew, and we had the King of England saying like, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.760 don't stop justice on my account. And then we had 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.680 Peter Mandelsson who had been brought in as the ambassador 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.640 to the UK. And remember we had had a UK 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.320 ambassador who was a woman. Was just a very strange 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:38.040 changeover and again Peter Mandelssohn may end up being the 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:42.879 undoing of this government of the UK government because he 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.600 was put in this job. So not only have a 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.520 UK government that is grappling with Epstein, we have real 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:54.280 accountability for even tearstormer stormers. So we really have a 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.400 moment where the UK looks just wildly ahead of us. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.040 But what I would say is that we don't I 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.720 don't know how this will play ultimately, and I think 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:09.880 it's worth pausing for that and just saying that for now, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.639 it looks like Trump is covering for his government, and 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:18.399 he's keeping people like Howard Lutnik staunchly in place, and 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.440 maybe that keeps on, but maybe it doesn't. I think 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.959 that accountability, you know, you can evade it for only 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.919 so long. And so while Trump is making a case 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.359 that he can keep Howard Lutnik in there, that he 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.919 can keep there are many many people in the Trump 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:39.800 cabinet who are in a Epstein world. Right, You've got Lutinik, 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.800 You've got John falen Flew on the plane, and you 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.360 have just a lot of trumb right Donald Trump numerous times, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.399 I think we'll see more of this accountability. And I 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.560 think that Trump's polling is through the floor and his 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.359 whole thing has been like he never fires anyone. But 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.720 there's a reason that people fire people. They fire members 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.960 of their cabinet, and there's an argument to be made 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.480 that Trump would be better off if he would fire people. Yeah, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.679 I want to talk about the three or twos for 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:15.000 another minute, Okay, because we're looking at these documents that 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.560 are missing, and news Channel four in the UK said 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.439 that this is only like four somewhere between two and 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.480 four percent of all of the tranches of data because 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.560 they were looking at the numbers the terabyte the Trump 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.920 administration BONDI says that's it, this is all of it, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.000 or that maybe there's another three million documents missing. I 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.760 wonder if you One of the things that I've been 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.119 struck by is that supposedly there are members of the 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:48.240 FBI who are quietly saying that there's more that clear alay, 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.680 if you're a member of the FBI, you've been doing 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.800 this for a long time, you have dedicated your life 0:19:55.880 --> 0:20:00.120 to this, right, you did this instead of doing perhaps 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.040 more high paying job in the private sector. Like there 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.520 are clearly whistleblowers out there who may or may not 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.000 come forward. I wonder what you think there's clearly more documents, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.639 more accountability, and were you one of those whistleblowers, what 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:14.399 would that look like. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.560 Yeah, so it's a great and important question. 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.919 First, this two to four percent or any kind of 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:26.080 quantitative assessment of the like is meaningless. It's always been 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.679 clear one that there are a relative small number, and 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:35.800 next if the denominator is three million of incendiary documents, 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.359 and two that this administration really knows how to be selective. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.120 The very first day when it was supposed to give 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.119 over everything, magically one hundred documents appear. That made the 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.920 whole thing look like it had to do with Bill Clinton. 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.280 That was not done randomly. 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:52.640 Right. 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.159 If there are two percent of three million that have 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:00.640 to do with Trump and they've been withheld, that's a scandal. Second, 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.119 on again on the three h twos, you make a 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:04.720 really look the FBI. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:06.879 It's not that they've just devoted their career. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.640 The rank and file of the FBI, there's very good 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.280 reason to think is just furious with the administration. Even 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.600 though they are tend to be politically conservative, they have 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:24.320 been so mistreated and bible and politicized. Patel and Bonji, 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.080 you know, are such jokers. This is a legal point 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:32.280 to make but it's true, it's really really precarious to 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.040 try to cover up a document because there are so 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.840 many copies here and there. So I think it is 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:42.159 likely that individual agents might well know. Third on the 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.400 way on, how how would it then work for them 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.200 to bring it to light? First, there's all the unofficial 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.400 routes that you know as well as I better, where 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.600 you know, somebody gives you a call. But there is 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:56.920 also whistleblower protection. Now, this administration, as part of its 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:03.040 process of completely you know, corrupted protections for employees of 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:07.199 the executive branch, and we can look at the whistleblower 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.320 complain against Christy newm has done things to bottle those 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.679 up or or kind of make them seem unimportant with 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.119 their own hand picked inspectors General. But I tend to 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.200 agree with you that while it's hard to really identify 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:26.640 the mechanism, man oh man, if there's somecendiary stuff there, 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.040 at a minimum, they're playing with fire trying. 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.560 To suppress it. Just too many different copies. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.800 If there's incendiary stuff, they're playing with fire. 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.240 Absolutely, you know that better than I. 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.720 Right, because why because the leaks, oh. 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.720 Yeah, if it comes out, it's not just the content 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.159 it's the fact of the cover up that used to 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.639 be the Washington adage. I mean the eighteen and a 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:54.360 half minutes for Nixon for our older like me listeners. Okay, 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.399 a general question, but we are at a point and 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.479 you've just averted to it where his numbers are really 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:04.679 plunging historic lows. And I do think it's sort of 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:09.280 catching on this notion, certainly in places like Minnesota that man, 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.640 oh man, this is whatever I reason I voted for him, 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.760 this is not the America I wanted, and the price 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:19.160 to democracy it's really corrosive, et cetera. But you see 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:23.200 a lot of Democrats saying that don't get too cocky 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.639 on this stuff. You really have to make it. It 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:30.000