1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Moved the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Six podcasts. It's Bucky Brooks and 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: I am joined by my guys. I got ritt Lewis 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: over here tomorrow, right, I got land Z over here 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: to my left. You hear some background noises, the guys, 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: the tie in rooper bitch pressing over there. And I 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: just want you to know that I declined my invitation 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: to go over there and join the crew because I 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: wanted to be right here in this seat talking to 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: you guys about what we saw wow yesterday, receivers and stuff. Um, 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: we got to talk about it. First things First, what 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: were your thoughts on the Bryce Young Heights situation and 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: a size situation that came out. We knew, we knew 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: it was gonna be the case going coming in at 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: two oh four. You know, he just did some put 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: in some work to get to two oh four. He 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: wanted to go over two hundred and over by a 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: few pounds. So you know, first, I guess where some 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: teams are gonna say, Okay, maybe subconsciously just seeing that 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: two instead of that one and front of the number 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: is gonna be a big deal because you know it's 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Now, Bucky the for all of eternity, he 23 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: is not a guy who was a sub two hundred quarterback. 24 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: No matter what happens, whether he hits it, big is, 25 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: average is a flames out. He's not a He maybe 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: sub six, but he's not a sub two hundred quarterback, 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: and that's something I think was important for for him 28 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: in his camp. Okay, so for the record, Bryce Young 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: measures in ED five one oh one. That's five ten 30 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: and one eighth two hundred and four pounds, thirty and 31 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: a half inch, arms, nine and three quarter hand So 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: really you know about those dimensions. What are your thoughts? 33 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: It's comparable to big not to Big It, but to 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and to Russell Wilson in terms of height 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: and weight. Look, I think it is what it is. 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: As Lance said, we knew what we were going to 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: see there, We knew what we were going to get, 38 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: and that's what we got. And now though, I think 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: the biggest question is, you know, how much ground did 40 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: the rest of the quarterback class maybe gain on Bryce 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Young based on the fact that they actually worked out here. 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: There's some now and I look I think it's I 43 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: think it's interesting that you know, we're not gonna see 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: Bryce again until the second Alabama Pro Day, so maybe 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: there's not as much weight on that frame the next 46 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: time we see him. But he's already got the two 47 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: hundred pounds. You won't know it because he's not getting 48 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wait, he's not getting on the scale again. 49 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: It's all, it's all a bit of gamesmanship. It is 50 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: what it is. It's fine to Duke can make plays. 51 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: You just gotta get com Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna 52 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: do something right now. Now. This is going to be 53 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: after the bench press has done. Darnel Washington, Georgia monster, 54 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: just stepping up over under for you, Bucky. This is 55 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: twenty four and a half. So as we continue to go, 56 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: we'll hear the number yelled out here. In a second, 57 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: we will heard the number Darniel Washington, number zero in Georgia, 58 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: the guy who is basically just a mobile offensive tackle 59 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: on the edge and until he until he ran. Yeah, 60 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: he's down to two sixty five to six. He played 61 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: in the two eighties. They said, yeah, so he got 62 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: smaller just so he could be able to run and 63 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: he ran fa he ran good. Yeah, and he looks smooth. 64 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: Look his his bench number is gonna be lower than 65 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: you think. It looks like. It looks like it. He 66 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: also is, like I said, puns lighter right now. So 67 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: very long arms chess, very long arms super for us 68 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: guys with long arms. I didn't have the bench up 69 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: there like that with twenty one. And as we transition 70 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: back to the quarterbacks, think about the Bryce Young thing. Yeah, 71 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: um to me, the Cala Murray comparison to Russell Wilson comparison. 72 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: Unlike those guys, I don't think he runs around like 73 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: those guys did. Like with Cala Murray, Calamuri ran the ball, 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: not a ton, but he ran a lot of Oklahoma. 75 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: You can see him and to be there. He didn't 76 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: running yards. He runs to make plays. Yeah, it's so. 77 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson ran a little bit, but became more of 78 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: a runner as he got to the league. Bryce Young 79 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: is what you're talking about. A creator. He creates. He 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: does extend plays, but he is not looking to put 81 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: the ball under his arm and tucking a run. He 82 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: extends and tries to keep it down the field. So 83 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: it'd be interesting what scouts think about him with the size, 84 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: the way stuff now official as he continues to go 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: through before his protect Yeah, I think that when it 86 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: comes to Bryce Young, I think there's a delicate balance 87 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: between running too much and not running enough. I'd like 88 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: to actually see Bryce Young tuck and go sometimes, because 89 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: even when he's out on the flanks and you see 90 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: he's away from the rush, a lot of times he's 91 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: still scanning, which you wanted to scan. But every once 92 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: in a while you just say, look, don't go three 93 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: quarters speed. Let's tuck it and go as hard as 94 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: you can and go get those yards. Sometimes he'll leave 95 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: some yards on the field when he is running because 96 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: he's just kind of cruising. I think that's I will 97 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: say this though, And man, when you're in person, I'm 98 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: down on the field number one, I have not seen 99 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: a physical specimen. Now, I didn't see Cam Newton in person. 100 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: I watching Anthony Richardson seeing him in person is unbelievable. 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: And Will Levis is not a small guy either. Will 102 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: Levis is a big boy. Yeah, those two guys, And 103 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: then you see C. J. Stroud and it's it's not 104 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: the same. It's not the same. Then you see Bryce 105 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: Young who was in his hood just hanging out with 106 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: a backpack. And it's like, I that was a shrewd 107 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: move by Bryce Young. I don't know if his intention 108 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: or not not to come out of here and throw 109 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: with these monsters out here, because you don't want anyone 110 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: just in their head getting You want to make sure 111 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: that he has his own spotlight and that he's not 112 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: compared against anybody when he's out there throwing. I think 113 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: that's and Young probably would have come right after Richardson Stroud. 114 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: He talk about alphabetical. Yeah, Young, right after that. You 115 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: know you're gonna be You're gonna go from six four 116 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: two thirty six three two thirty four. It is different, 117 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: It does look different. And so let's talk about those 118 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: those guys, these specimens as we will call them. First, 119 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: Will Levis measuring it at six three seven two hundred 120 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: and twenty nine pounds. You just talk about arm land 121 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: ten and five a's wow, big hand, big, I mean yeah, 122 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: just ridiculous. And then you over here and you have 123 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson six four, huge hand, ten and five eights. Wow, 124 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: that is a huge hand, quarterback, big dwarfs the ball. Yeah, 125 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: did you have Anthony Richardson six two two forty four 126 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: ten and a half. Oh man, I mean that's that's ridiculous. 127 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: This is what traits are. I mean, this is what 128 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: it looks like me. I mean, when you think about it, 129 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: like if you're drawing it up in a lab, I 130 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: mean you talk about someone that looks in that range 131 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: six three, six four two and thirty five plus pounds. 132 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: That is exactly what the prototypical quarterback has been in 133 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: our league for a long time. I thought Levis and 134 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: Richardson both got more comfortable the deeper the throw. Scott Um, 135 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: I thought there were a couple of them, and I 136 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: thought Anthony did a nice job with those slant routes 137 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: that they threw. First. He put those on the money. 138 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: He was. He sprayed a couple of those those ten 139 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: to twelve yard outs Um. But then I mean the 140 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: deep balls were well, I thought were fantastic. I thought 141 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: he was. He was terrific. Really all day. The Levist 142 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: thing was weird. I'm gonna I'm gonna stand up for 143 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: a second because i gotta I'm not a QB guru. Okay, 144 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: I'm not a footwork guru, but I can tell what 145 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: looks good and this just felt weird to me. Sorette is, 146 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: I'll hold on. I can do it. I can do this. 147 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Sorette is right now, so he's dropping back. He's looking 148 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: at it. The drops so he's gonna throw left, So 149 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: he's rolling backs up and then rolls right, rolls right 150 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: to a semi circle. Yeah, to the right, looking left, 151 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: and then whenever he was gonna throw right, Rhett comes 152 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: that way. It runs a semi circle to the left. 153 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: It's weird. He faded away. Basically what Will Livis did 154 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: if this was basketball. He's taking step back jumpers, so 155 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: basically he's stepping away. He's got the angle, he's got 156 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,119 Speaker 1: the old James Harden stepped the old Dame Lillard step 157 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: to the side, but throw to the right or to 158 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: the left. I didn't away from the step. I didn't 159 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: understand it. I just didn't. I didn't see anybody else 160 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: doing it. It didn't really make sense. And some of 161 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: us would say when training goes wrong, because that's not 162 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: exactly what you want to see, because it didn't up 163 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: his accuracy and he was off tomorrow. It's also a 164 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: backside rush coming at you that you don't see, and 165 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: you're getting closer to it. Yeah, it does. And so 166 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: let's talk about it like let's flip it though, Let's 167 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: talk about AAR because we can talk about AAR fifteen 168 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson first, we can talk about all the athletics 169 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: stuff that he showed before we got to the throwing. So, 170 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Richson, we gave the dimensions. He rose a four 171 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: four three forty. He vertical jumps forty and a half inches. 172 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: He has a ten nine broad jump. Uh, we don't 173 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: see quarterback. This is wide receiver one stuff. I mean, 174 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: this isn't even linebacker stuff. He's linebacker size. He's he's 175 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: actually an edge size and he's having a workout like 176 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: a wide receiver one. I mean a forty inch vertical 177 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: a four four forty abroad? Did he broad what did 178 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: you say as broad? Was broad jump? Almost eleven right 179 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: nine inches? I mean these are big time. These are 180 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: cornerback numbers. They are cornerback numbers at at frankly inside 181 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: linebacker sizes. It's unbelievable. And J Jalen Hyatt ran almost 182 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: the exact same forty Yeah, and so and so when 183 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: we think about it, like we haven't seen anybody into 184 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: the league looking like that since Cam Newton, yep, those 185 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: kind when they did the simulcasts on the forty. I 186 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: mean he put Cam in the dust. Oh yeah yeah. 187 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: And so here the thing about it, because people will 188 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: talk about that because we're going to hear more than 189 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: Cam Newton comparison than any other comparison. They won't use 190 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: the Josh Allen team because Cam Newton was dominant physically, 191 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: the stature, all those things. Anthony has better tools than 192 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Cam Newton. Cam Newton was a far better player in college, 193 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: but you're going to have He's got jnversation. Yeah, got 194 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: some Josh tools. To me, there's those are the three 195 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: guys that are in their own category. Like I it's 196 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: just because Cam still sprayed around some too. And you 197 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: know what, I heard people kind of down on his 198 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: throwing yesterday. I as someone who has had a big 199 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: concern about Anthony Richardson strowing, I don't I thought his 200 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: throwing was fine. I already know he's going to be 201 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: inaccurate on some throws. But like a home run hitter 202 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: who strikes out a little, I'm willing to take a 203 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: few more strikeouts because he hits home runs. So I'm 204 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: actually there's a sliding scale. I expect more from c J. 205 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: Stroud because he didn't have those legs. He can't he 206 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: can't create plays in a different way. He didn't know 207 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: well he has strength that Yeah. So so for me, 208 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, Will, I'm willing to I'm willing to live 209 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: with a little bit more from Will Levis, but not 210 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot more because he doesn't do as much with 211 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: the legs. But I'm willing to live with some inconsistency. 212 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm willing to live with some with Josh Allen. I'm willing. 213 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: I was willing to live with some with Cam, and 214 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: I'm willing to live with some with with aar. But 215 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: I thought he actually threw on frame more than I 216 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: expected that. The sideline throws, you know, that's not going 217 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: to be his thing. Yeah, but but you know what, 218 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: let's in thinking about that conversation you talk about the 219 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: sideline throws a couple of different things. Um, when I 220 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: look Anthony Richson and his struggles storing outside the numbers, 221 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: it kind of coincides with what most of the athletic 222 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we've seen their issues. So when you go 223 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: and you look at Lamar Jackson and Cam Newton. They 224 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: were always at their best on throwing in breaking routes yep, 225 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: that were targeted inside the numbers. There is something about 226 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: the ball over the middle of field and those things. 227 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: And so with Anthony Richardson, if I am a quarterback 228 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: coach or an offensive coordinator, one, if we're considering him, 229 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: we're thinking about completely retooling the offense to fit his 230 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: skill set. So that means some quarterback runs him heavy 231 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: in the run game and things that are in breaking. 232 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: I am more willing to roll the dice on Anthony 233 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: Richardson because his physical traits are superior to Will Levis 234 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: than I would Will Levis. I'm with you, and I 235 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: was already in the in the rankings. I tell you what. 236 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna move him from a six three, which is 237 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: a plus starter, but it's still more of a second 238 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: round grade, even though I know he's going on first. 239 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna move him to a six five I've after 240 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: watching him, which is a boom bus grade, but it's 241 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: also way up to charts like it's a you know, 242 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: that's as it's solid in the in the first round, 243 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: and it's just watching him throw. But it wasn't just 244 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: watching him throw Bucky. You could feel him on the field. 245 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: He he just had a command and he had a 246 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: he had a confidence level. But I think he could 247 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: end up being a huge bust. For this reason, you 248 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: have to have a plan for him. He is not 249 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: ready to step into the NFL and play right away. Yeah, 250 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: and we've all have to have been talking about the 251 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, the Mahomes plan, you know with and that's okay, Yeah, 252 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: it's okay, like Mahomes did the same. Ignore the fan 253 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: base though. Yeah, So the funny thing will be um, 254 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: we've seen this kind of in terms of Trey Lance 255 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: only played one year a football at North Dakota State. UH, 256 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Trey Lance had athletic attributes that people raved about. Trey 257 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: Lance has struggled in the National Football League being a 258 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: starting quarterback to the point where where Brock Purty came 259 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: in and had success. There was an expectation that brought 260 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: Purty would be the Niners quarterback when the season kicked 261 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: off in twenty twenty three without if he wasn't injured 262 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: in the postseason, right and so now when you think 263 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: about just a lack of experience that Anthony Richardson enters 264 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: the league with in spite of all the physical traits, 265 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: how long will it be before he's able to be 266 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: a solid quarterback in the league. If he ever gets 267 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: to that point, that's the game. And you know, it's 268 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: the same issue that right now I think Chicago has 269 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: with Justin Fields and that you you love what Justin's 270 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: doing on the ground, but the fact is it cannot 271 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: be at it cannot be an impediment to his development 272 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: as a passer. In other words, you start calling plays 273 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: and designing your offense like, man, it's it's a it's 274 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: a it's a big pull, it's a siren song where 275 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: you say, oh, we can get he's gonna run for 276 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty, we're gonna win this game. Yeah, 277 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: but are you doing what it takes in your in 278 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: your offensive scheming to develop him into a passer. And 279 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: if you don't ever do that, they don't develop, you're 280 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: gonna run into injuries and you're gonna run out of 281 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: a team and the guy won't have developed. So Richardson, 282 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: to his credit, there were games he was staying in 283 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: the pocket where I'm like run in college, and I 284 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: give him credit for trying to develop as a passer, 285 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: but man, you've got to have you've got to have 286 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: a plan. You got to have him out there. And 287 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: the other thing with Justin Fields. Justin Fields was a 288 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: starter for two seasons. Yeah, two full seasons. You think 289 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: two to three is okay, So we've got more and more. 290 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins is a one year starter. Yeah, we Justin 291 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: was a two year starter? How important? Brock Party was 292 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: a four year start. Trubisky one year, Trubisky one year? 293 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: How important? I mean, I guess you're answering a question 294 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: right now, but it's I mean two years versus three years, 295 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: Trey Lance one year. I mean we're starting to really 296 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: see it makes a big difference, huge difference. And so 297 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: that's why that conversation. Everyone will be excited about Anthony 298 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: Richardson coming out of the combine, But then what do 299 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: team builders think about like that gamble when it really 300 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: comes out to it, Because it's one to speculate, it's 301 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: another thing to be in the clock and say, all right, 302 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna turn the court and Anthony Richardson, what's up playing? 303 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: And particularly if you're talking about a first round pick 304 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: that you're using, it still scares me to use the 305 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: first round pick on him despite all the glowing measurables 306 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. Uh yeah, look I get 307 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: all that last thing. I'll say on the quarterbacks as 308 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: a whole, I thought there were a couple of other 309 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: guys that made some nice throws. I think I think 310 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett surprised some people. He can throw the ball 311 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: at how far he could put it down on target 312 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: down the field. Now, he was throwing the ball at 313 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: about two yards behind the line of scrimmage. I don't 314 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: know the check. How don't you gonna be able to 315 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: do that? You know? But I thought, I thought cheat code, 316 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: he can sling it and uh and he really put 317 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: it out there for you're saying he moved up in 318 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: a batter's box a little bit, a little bit, you know, 319 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: just a little bit. But then you know, and then 320 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: this pains me in the Hoosier States. Oh no, credit, 321 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: boiler up. He was throwing eight. O'Connell was throwing accurate. 322 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: It was a very catchable ball. He does. I was 323 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: talking to Kurt about that, and Kurt Couse Kurt was 324 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: down here for NFL plus. He was talking about it. 325 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: Was like, hey, look, I that was the thing that 326 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: was worrying me, you know, Kurt saying this, He's like, 327 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: I didn't want to see guys trying to like knock 328 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: down a brick wall with the football, and Aidan O'Connell 329 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: throws a little pillow, but the ball gets there and 330 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: he gets there accurately. So credit to the boiler. How 331 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: about that. That's a lot of progress, significant progress for 332 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: Red to put it. Acknowledge. I acknowledge the quarterback play. 333 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: If you're growing as a purchase, that tremendous growth on 334 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: a subway, that is great. That's great. Uh So, look, 335 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break now we'll come back and 336 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: talk about some of these fast gets wide receivers. Back 337 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: on the move to six podcasts, Hanging with my guys, 338 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: Rhett last, we're gonna talk about these wide receivers, these 339 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: past catchers and playmakers. Rett general thoughts on the group 340 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: Fast Group. I thought it was fast group, and I 341 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: should have. I'm kicking myself because if you follow us 342 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: over on NFL Scouting Combine Today over on NFL dot Com. 343 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: In the NFL Channel, I went with Tyler Scott as 344 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: the guy who's gonna run the fastest forty and when 345 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: he popped off on a four to five one on 346 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: that first rep. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's 347 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: happening here? But I should have stuck with my guy. 348 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: Trey Palmer from LSU transferred Nebraska, played his final year 349 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: in Lincoln. Who got the fastest time of the day 350 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: at four three three? Um? So fast group? And then 351 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: on the field looked to me it was Jackson Smith 352 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: and Jigba and everybody else run routes. Oh it was great. 353 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean he was great. I'm too low on him. Yeah, 354 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: I'm too low on him. I gotta go back and 355 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: change because you know what, you know what it was 356 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: being here in person and watching his transition smoothness where 357 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't even from from getting you know, there's no up, 358 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: there's no down. His smoothness is in his transitions. Because 359 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: my number one concerned a separation, right, but when you 360 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: were that smooth and then you see his three cone 361 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: in his short shuttle numbers, do you see him, Bucky? Yeah, 362 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: Bananas was low. He did low numbers and all that. 363 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: And that's why when we talk about this position, this 364 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: position is about technique skill. He has those things. He's 365 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: like a run fast I expect to be a minute 366 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: four or five guy, but he understands how to get 367 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: open and as Rhet's favorite guy Hooper Cup has done, 368 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: if you can get open, that's what it is. And yeah, 369 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: whether he plays preparily from the slot or not, it 370 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. He is the most refined of 371 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: all the players that were in the building and I 372 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: think he certainly helped himself with people are gonna look 373 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: and say, hey, I want to take this, and I 374 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: want someone to his policy. He's I think he's a 375 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: strong enough body too to shield and to make some 376 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: of those combat catches. Yeah, oh no, yeah, absolutely he's 377 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: and he's got strong hands. Oh no, that's a big 378 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: strength to his. And you know, I think, here's here's 379 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: another smart thing. On one sense, this is the fastest 380 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: turf you're gonna run on more than likely, so you say, well, 381 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you run here if it's a fast turf. 382 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: On the other hand, he just put in everyone's mind, 383 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: look how it looks when I'm doing football stuff. And 384 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: so even if he runs a four six one at 385 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: his pro day, you got to see the football stuff first. 386 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: That's in your mind already, and you may not going 387 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: to watching the football drills with you know, a forty 388 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: time if it was a disappointing forty time as a 389 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: as a confirmation biased mechanism. So um yeah, I as 390 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: long as he doesn't run a crazy slow time, my 391 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: my grade on him has to has to come up. Now. 392 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: I will say this, there's somebody who is a big 393 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt fan for what he does with elite speed. Hey, 394 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm not worried that he ran a four four. Look 395 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: on the field, he looks like a four to forty guys, 396 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about all that. Maybe I'm overdoing this, 397 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: but I did not love his body language on the 398 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: field yesterday. He had a couple of drops and just 399 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: walk and like look sadres. Yeah, but yes, yes, maybe 400 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: get out of that. And there had to be something 401 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: to concern with him, not necessarily the drops, but the 402 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: route running. What does he have in his bag? Yeah? 403 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: A lot of people talked about, um, that offense because 404 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: that offense is an extension of the art browse offense 405 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: at Baylor where you produced these numbers, but you really 406 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: didn't have many pros come out of it. Ahead immediately, 407 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: the matchup based offense yeah. And when I when I 408 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: talked to wide receiver coaches, they interviewed him. They talked 409 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: about a do you want to be inside or outside? 410 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: And his response was always to go into slot. And 411 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: so think about someone with that kind of speed, you 412 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: would like to put them on the outside. But if 413 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: he's uncomfortable, it's gonna be hard for you to get 414 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: a lot of that production out gets pressed. He didn't. 415 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: You can tell he didn't get pressed a lot because 416 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: you really can't. And they would motion him like they 417 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: did this against Alabama. They motioned him all the way 418 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: across the formation because Alabama was switching off based on 419 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: alignment and so they were Hypel did a brilliant job 420 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: of matching him up against um Hellam's the safety on 421 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: the matchups, and it was a nightmare for Alabama and Georgia. 422 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: When they saw him, they're like, no, no, no, spot too. Yeah, 423 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: where he's got he's got one of his teammates right 424 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: in front of him, and he can kind of feed off. 425 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: They did that a lot. By the way, again, they 426 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: did that a lot. Yeah. Yeah, Well, this seeming offense 427 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: in the inner run. So I saw it all day, 428 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: okay long, and I mean they used every inch of 429 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: the field switched you out. Yeah, exactly. It's it's a 430 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: tough thing. He has to have a certain role. I'll 431 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: talk to where receiver coach. We talked about that tigg 432 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: in junior role where you get outside, he runs the vertical, 433 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: he clears his own He's the number two, number three, 434 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: or maybe a slower possession receiver. That's your number one receiver. 435 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: He's still very great opportunities, but I think for him 436 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: his success would be tied to being placed in the 437 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: right role, in the right scheme, so he's not asked 438 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: to do stuff that he doesn't do well. Another guy 439 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: that really popped to me as I was watching these 440 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: these guys run through the routes and now I'm trying 441 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: to find his forty time, I really liked what Zay 442 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: Flowers didn't ask other wise. Man hands were great, really, 443 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: Quentin Johnston showed that he could catch the football with 444 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: his hand and the gauntlet was perfect coming down both ways. 445 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: Talked to a wide receiver coach about what he saw 446 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: from him. You know, based on what you know the 447 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: drops on tape. He's like, I'm not worried about the 448 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: drops on tape. The drops on tape for concentration drops 449 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: a lot of them. Um, you know, and well does 450 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: I get it? I get someone. Yeah. When it was 451 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: in breaking yeah, yeah it was. It was loud in 452 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: the crowd. Yeah, but it gets loud and the cane 453 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: was They weren't worried about the hands after what they 454 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: saw today. So the guy that I love was your guy, 455 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: Bucky Josh Downs, and like, I had a first round 456 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: grade out him coming in here. Nothing he ran well. Um, 457 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: he was in the four fours, which there were some 458 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: people thought he'd run in the four fives. He ran 459 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: in the four fours. And he is so smooth, buttery 460 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: smooth and everything he does the routes come easy for him. Um. 461 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: The hands were just absolutely when it hit the hands, 462 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: it's like a catcher's mississip super soft, very soft, and 463 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: uh you know, he and Zay Flowers to me were 464 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: the most impressive wide receivers I saw yesterday. But I 465 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: did like and Quentin Johnson had a fantastic workout by 466 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: the way. He didn't run, but his jumps were great, 467 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: but he was good in the in the field. But 468 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: man Flowers and Josh Downs, just as so did Charlie Jones. Oh, 469 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: I'll say, you don't have to see Purdue boiler Well no, no, 470 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: I just call him Iowa. Fine, yeah, Buffalo former Iowa 471 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver who didn't get enough look so he went 472 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: to Purdue with ain't O'Connell. H Charlie Jones looked really 473 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: good out here too fast forty Who I mean he 474 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: is good? Hey, somebody's bucking him. Charlie Jones, Riley Moss. 475 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: They put on for the they put off, but the 476 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: represented as represented for the tribe they represented. Um, you 477 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: know here's the thing, Um Jordan Addison mid four or fives, 478 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: yeah or whatever. When I talked to some receiver coaches, 479 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: you know, I was surprised because it's funny when you 480 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: pull receiver coaches on who they like. It is really 481 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: split on this class in terms of who's the presumptive 482 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: number one. There's some guys that are team Jordan Addison. 483 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: There other guys are like, yeah, I didn't see it much. 484 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: He's a glade. I don't know if he has the 485 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: burst and the juice. Uh. This will be a fascinating 486 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: discussion that will continue to have as we get down 487 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: the line. Any other guys that stood out or came 488 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: kind of out of the blue that maybe we need 489 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: to go back and look at a little more tape 490 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: of and talk about you know, I thought Jacob Copeland 491 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: did something. I was gonna say him too. I thought 492 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: he looked great in he didn't do much. He was 493 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: a highly regretted kid great Florida and then transferred into Maryland. 494 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: This life. They had three Maryland dudes to his crew. 495 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: What what did Maryland? You have? All these dudes, like, 496 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: all the running backs, all the dbs, deep got all 497 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: the DB's, they're super athletic, like Jacob Copeland did a 498 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: nice job catching them all running rounds um and uh yeah, 499 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: it was actually I was standing around with a couple 500 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: other guys, I mean like, and he kept just popping. 501 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: Everybody's like, wait, who is that? I was like, there's 502 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: a lot of guys falling down on the turf on turns. Yes, 503 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: and the guys who were under their feet and sticking 504 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: a hard foot in the ground, and really, you know, 505 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Copelan was one of them downs, was one of them flowers. 506 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: These guys weren't falling much. And yeah, it just shows 507 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: your balance. Bucky, your guy who played wide receiver man 508 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: that it's not. It's not in dB. They're both two 509 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: positions because you have to tran tsition. Keeping your feet 510 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: underneath you, being able to keep your your weight centered 511 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: is such an art form when it comes to running route. 512 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: This is that you brought him a dB thing. I'm 513 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: looking at these four threes and I don't see as 514 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: many four threes man. Thing. Yeah, I'm trying to tell 515 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: you about those decathalis on the other side. Do you 516 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: know who who kind of popped me running the forty 517 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: because I haven't watched a ton of him yet? Was 518 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: Bryce Ford Wheaton? But oh yeah, he had some drops 519 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: out there on the field. Yeah. The tape, I think 520 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a better work. I got the tape guy. Yeah. 521 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: But but Copeland is a guy who superfan and Matt 522 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: Landers from Arkansas. So there's some flashes of Matt Landers 523 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: on tape that I kind of that I liked. And 524 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden and he's not a small 525 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: guy and he ran into four threes. Oh yeah, Arkansas 526 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: take that. Yeah? What about what about Marvin Mimms? Any 527 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: love on the streets from Marvin Bill, Yeah, a lot 528 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: of love on the streets from Marvin mimms. As a 529 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think there's some people trying to 530 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: keep him under wraps. They don't want it to get loud. Yeah, 531 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: they don't want it together said, yeah, keep on do 532 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: the downs and his a thing. I mean we're doing that. 533 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean because we look at me Marvin Quiet four 534 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: three eight, Yeah, I mean that's fast, fast, that's really fast. 535 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: Where got it is very product. Let's go to these 536 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: tight ends do it tight ends? Who who are we 537 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: loving after watching tight ends work out? Who we love? Yeah, 538 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna talk about this today when we get 539 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: to combine today to preview all these workouts. Man, but 540 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: Darnell and Washington, Washington. You know, we talk about how 541 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: he looks on tape like a sixth offensive lineman. He 542 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: will out here like he could you know, he could 543 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: be one of those you know, flex out tight ends 544 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: that just that runs around like a receiver. I mean 545 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: like he was very smooth for a big man. So 546 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: he really caught my eye. And then he had the 547 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: play of the day, the splash play of the day, 548 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: which was the very last rep of the day as well. 549 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: But the other the other one for me on the 550 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: tight end was Will Mallory. You know, he comes from 551 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: the first family football coaching. Okay, Bill Mallory, legendary head 552 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: coach at the Indiana Hoosiers. His uncle Kurt Mallory current 553 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: head coach Indiana State. Of course, you know, his dad, 554 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: Mike Mallory has been a coach in the league for 555 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: thirty years. His uncle Doug has been another coach in 556 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: the in the league for years. So you're saying he's 557 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: gone into coaching, Well he might, but but he's gonna 558 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: play and he's gonna be successful as a player first. 559 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: And the other part of it is, you know, he 560 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: spent time when his uncle Doug was down in New 561 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Orleans coaching Jeremy Shockey and Jimmy Grahant and spent time 562 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: being around those guys and being around and then ended 563 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: up going to Miami himself. Well, I mean, why didn't 564 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: he get to wasn't the Hoosier. I'm trying to figure 565 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: out there's a lot of there's a lot of allegiances 566 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: there in that family. But anyway, so he's a I 567 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: thought he ran really well. He ran fast for one, 568 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: and then I thought he was really smooth in the routes, 569 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: good hands. He just put up twenty on the bench 570 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: over here too, So I think there's a lot to 571 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: like about will No. I think he had a fantastic workout, 572 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: maybe underutilized at University of Money. He's a guy that 573 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: has those trades. And the one thing that we do 574 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: know about tight ends is not necessarily about the production 575 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: that they come into the National Football League with. Some 576 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: of these guys just explode when they get to the 577 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: Nashville League if they have the trace will Mali's one, 578 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: I got it. We talked about coming in Luke Musgrave 579 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: four six one. Uh, he didn't work out though, didn't 580 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: work out on francial the various six hitches, So we're 581 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: ten five broad jup. Athletically, Yeah, he looks to part 582 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, why would you. This is one 583 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: of the things he's best at is running routes. I 584 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: don't know why he wouldn't be out here doing that. 585 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: That doesn't make a lot of I thought it was 586 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: he expected it to be in a in a four 587 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: or five six range. Now I can tell you I 588 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: was down there and the teams on the hand on 589 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: the hand on the hand timing, they had two four 590 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: or five six forms. So normally what happens our unofficial 591 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: times or the official times. Normally teams carry time. That's 592 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: probably anywhere from point oh six to point oz eight faster. Yeah, 593 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: and so in the in the stands, those guys on 594 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: the time, he'll come in at a four or five. 595 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: But athletically he's the freak that you want. You do 596 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: wonder why didn't he elect to work out? But there 597 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: was something There was some injury stuff too recently, right, 598 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 1: and Rappaport had said that they thought, okay, he did, 599 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: he had he got all the MRIs must have been 600 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: because he was his senior Bowl going through routes and everything. Yeah, 601 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not worried 602 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: about it. Just for the record, I tell you a 603 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: guy who had a great testing day that has to 604 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: be mentioned that I didn't. I didn't really love on tape. 605 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: But as an athlete now I got to go back 606 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: and just say, let me just make sure. Zach Cootz 607 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: from Old Dominion ran a four five five forty inches 608 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: and he had a broad jump of ten to eight. 609 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: Like these are the numbers that we just got done 610 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: talking about for the most part with Anthony Richardson and 611 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: except you know are was was faster, but this is 612 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: these are elite tight end athletic numbers for the best 613 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: bench over here at twenty three raps. I mean this workout. 614 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: You must go back and say, okay, now wait, I 615 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: gotta make sure on him now because I can't miss 616 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: on a freak show. It's an eye opener. And so 617 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: people will look at that and they'll they'll run with 618 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: that and do it lastly. Uh any anything about Michael Mayer. 619 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: Notre Dame ran four seven. Oh it was Michael Mayer. 620 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean Michael Mayer drops actually out there on the deal. 621 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: That was a little surprising to But Michael Mayor is 622 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: what is it on the on the wire, He's a 623 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: forty degree day nothing you know, nothing to this way, 624 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: nothing to that way. He's just to know Michael Mayer 625 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: comes out, he doesn't look like some Greek god and 626 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: he really didn't. He ran a four seven, which is 627 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: the most you know, oatmeal forty time that I've I've seen. 628 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: You know exactly what it's gonna be. It's gonna be nutritious. 629 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: You put a little something in it, Yeah, a little cinnamon. 630 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: Am I open what I'm saying? You can put whatever 631 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: you wanted, and that's what Michael Mayer would do for 632 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: you as a as a why who's a combo tight end? 633 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: And I know exactly There's not gonna be any surprises 634 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: with Michael Mayer for me when he becomes to football player. 635 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now. If I'm going, if 636 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for the more traditional tight end, I'm 637 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: taking Darnell Washington in front of Michael may Are you 638 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: really six times out of seven? Yeah? Are you really? Yeah? 639 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: Look at you? But he doesn't. He doesn't have the 640 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: same production there. You don't mind. That is a hot take. 641 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: It's the Sunday so it might, it might go into 642 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: the radar, it may not there. But Red Lewis said 643 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: that he would take six days out of seven. But 644 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing that stands out about Mayor, and there's stuff 645 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: that stands out about washing this right, get it? Yeah, 646 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: you get you get a little bit staff the upside. 647 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's a good make sure, uh make 648 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: sure make sure we bring that up o path to 649 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: the draft. I mean, I might take Mayor with the 650 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: next picks. Yeah, like I'm saying, you know what I mean? 651 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: Adam boyratt All right. So look man, this is fun. 652 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: The comment is always fun today and the combined they 653 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: got the running backs kind of doing their lineman old 654 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: lineman run around, you know, the guys on a Sunday 655 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: an run around doing their thing kick slide and all that. 656 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: But we'll have all of your stuff we'll wrap up 657 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: to combine in totality. Yes, we have our next podcast 658 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: that to be on Tuesday. That a drop DJLB back. 659 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: We get it his thoughts and talk about it all. 660 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining the Buda SX podcast. See 661 00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: so you plan pl