Speaker 1: It's a lot of shit going on in the league too. Man, Man,
Speaker 1: we hear my man, Matt Man. We got Matt Barnes
Speaker 1: in the building day. Man, it's KG turned fid.
Speaker 2: Let's get it. Ye man, it's a bunch of shit
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Bro exacting, I got I gotta say this for a
Speaker 1: kick it off.
Speaker 2: The youn't even say ship.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the son's owner was a cool dude. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm glad he was laid back. I'm glad he wasn't
Speaker 1: an old owner. I'm glad he was. I'm glad he
Speaker 1: wasn't traditional. You know, in language, it's about how you
Speaker 1: say ship. Right, I'm glad he wasn't traditional. Agree, he
Speaker 1: was super cool and it felt like he got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got it well.
Speaker 3: I think in the moment he was. He was really
Speaker 3: a fan in the moment, like he caught the ball,
Speaker 3: like even though he's an owner, he's got billions of dollars,
Speaker 3: Like you're sitting court side, like this is a dream.
Speaker 3: Being an owner of a team is a dream. I'm
Speaker 3: sure you know what I mean. So he's watching. He
Speaker 3: used to hoop, so he I think he just got
Speaker 3: caught up in the moment he realized that he had
Speaker 3: the ball, Yokis tried to grab it. You know, he
Speaker 3: takes it and then he gives him a small nudge.
Speaker 3: But I think Jokis took a page out of his
Speaker 3: book last night when Kde kind of gave him a
Speaker 3: little nudge and he got no the floppers, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, come on, man, from owners and players.
Speaker 3: So but but but to your point, kg I talked
Speaker 3: about this on ESPN like two days ago, and although
Speaker 3: that situation, glad, he was cool and it would resolve.
Speaker 3: I just feel like fans feel so entitled these last
Speaker 3: handful of years to not only say anything. They started
Speaker 3: throwing shit, you know, at players at times. And it's
Speaker 3: crazy because and yok had said this, the NBA protects
Speaker 3: the fans more than they protect the players, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. We're supposed to be the product, the
Speaker 3: asset that the you know, the thing to make the
Speaker 3: wheel go. But you're always siding with the fan. And
Speaker 3: I understand at it at times, but you got to
Speaker 3: protect the players, man, you know, you got to protect
Speaker 3: the players. And it's not so much protect us from
Speaker 3: getting hurt, but protect us from someone doing something. And
Speaker 3: then we having to react and handle that situation.
Speaker 1: So then the league expects the player to be in
Speaker 1: controul all of themselves in an emotional right exchange right,
Speaker 1: and then the league always bro, I will always hear this, man,
Speaker 1: The players gotta they gotta y'all gotta keep y'all cool
Speaker 1: when in.
Speaker 2: In everyday life.
Speaker 1: Bro, if you if you know, if cause an effect effect, thought,
Speaker 1: it's a reaction.
Speaker 2: Right, So listen.
Speaker 1: I'm just glad I sat here and I thought, Man,
Speaker 1: you know, if you had a Dylan Brooks in this situation,
Speaker 1: or if you had a Draymond Green in this situation
Speaker 1: here like this, this situation could have been could have
Speaker 1: been something totally different and would have would it have been?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't, I didn't go there, but I just
Speaker 1: you know, Joker doesn't have a.
Speaker 3: But he does. Joker does have a rep. Though you
Speaker 3: gott think Joker elbowed the Moors had some flavor, it's
Speaker 3: not the same rep as the guys you mentioned.
Speaker 1: You can see them like you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they huh?
Speaker 3: The complexion interprotection.
Speaker 2: That's that's a bar that we got that certified. Heard man.
Speaker 3: But I mean to your point, like I hate that
Speaker 3: situation took away from the fact that Jo did that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he put up numbers.
Speaker 3: That game, and it took away from the greatness on
Speaker 3: the court that you know, both these teams are displaying.
Speaker 3: But you know, to your point, I'm glad that it
Speaker 3: just stayed where it was at.
Speaker 1: The dope part about the next interaction where was I
Speaker 1: think Joker coming on the floor to be consistent with
Speaker 1: that though, you know what I'm saying, like real ship,
Speaker 1: like like that's the if, that's the way we're gonna go,
Speaker 1: and then let's let's be consistent with that.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I love that the league was able to put
Speaker 1: those two worlds together and they work. Traditional owners are
Speaker 1: always on some hierarchy ship and think the shipped don't
Speaker 1: stinks sometimes and well your majority of the time.
Speaker 3: So it was good.
Speaker 1: It was good to It was good to figure that
Speaker 1: one out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it helped to do with the Hooper,
Speaker 3: you know what I meant, he loves the game. The
Speaker 3: younger guy, like you said, this is a different generation
Speaker 3: of owner. Just good.
Speaker 1: I can see this owner coming in here with like
Speaker 1: a u uh you know, got a got a sports
Speaker 1: code on, gotta gotta you know something he had on
Speaker 1: the y Bomber and ship with Jordan's Like that's how
Speaker 1: that's where we that's where we are today.
Speaker 3: Today's owner is dressed like dressed like Nate.
Speaker 1: We're seeing the big man get back to a dominance
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen for a while.
Speaker 3: Would you agree? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And like like I always say, this man, it
Speaker 1: was at a point where the guard play was so
Speaker 1: much better than the post play. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: even the four right guard play was such at a
Speaker 1: at at his all time hot man.
Speaker 2: The climb of Dame Lillard and the.
Speaker 1: Climb of Steph Curry, also the climb of Klay Thompson,
Speaker 1: the climb of Bradley Bill, like all these all these
Speaker 1: great shooters in these great guard complaces and then they
Speaker 1: then they going up to get the Chris.
Speaker 2: Paul Steph Curry. Bro, we're gonna go back on that.
Speaker 1: We're going to We're gonna have to go back in
Speaker 1: time and just really like because it's because there's some
Speaker 1: deeper layers in that and they got history and that's
Speaker 1: what we love but I'm watching for like us like
Speaker 1: it's it just feels good to see uh a joker
Speaker 1: and be I'm throwing cousins in there. I'm not even
Speaker 1: going to disrespect right these bigs that I see evolving
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that we laugh.
Speaker 1: We used to always make this little joke about the
Speaker 1: dirt workout and the one leg, but they've been able
Speaker 1: to I guess combine it. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 3: To be a big down, I think you have to
Speaker 3: be able to shoot, but it is good to your
Speaker 3: point to be able to see them still be big.
Speaker 1: I feel like evolving it though. Man, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's not not so much pan. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying so much, you know, trying to on some gorilla
Speaker 1: ship is more like, Okay, I'm a gorilla, then I'm
Speaker 1: a finesse you, then I'm a I'm a Euro you bro,
Speaker 1: if you ain't got a yuro, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can be in today's name.
Speaker 2: Real shit.
Speaker 1: I saw I saw it the euro nigga from the
Speaker 1: post he can't faced.
Speaker 2: I was like, you won't fuck?
Speaker 3: Is that? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did.
Speaker 1: I'm Anyways, I'm just I guess I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the conversation of just the growth of the big
Speaker 1: man and why now I wonder I wonder.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know to your point when you
Speaker 3: first made it. You know, it's a three pointing in
Speaker 3: Guard League now. But even with some of the greatest
Speaker 3: shooters we've seen, like sometimes you're your jumper can fail you,
Speaker 3: but size and strength will never fail you, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? And be Joker and a d are
Speaker 3: the biggest guys in the playoffs, So like you said,
Speaker 3: being able the ability to combine and shoot from the
Speaker 3: outside and shoot the mid post, but also just be
Speaker 3: the biggest motherfuckers out there and put you in the basket.
Speaker 1: But let me also say that if those three guys
Speaker 1: that we just named, or let's just say and B
Speaker 1: I always like to throw called Anthony Towns and there
Speaker 1: because he's part of their their same caught cloth and culture, right.
Speaker 1: And then seeing who's won the last MVPs. If I'm
Speaker 1: called Anthony Towns and I'm Anthony Davis, do you are
Speaker 1: my goals? I'm coming in next year. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: win the MVP because I saw him B do it.
Speaker 1: And I saw a joker do it, right. I ain't
Speaker 1: with that, So let me ask you this. But your
Speaker 1: big gotta be able to shoot a three.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He can't just be Diesel. He just can't be Matombo.
Speaker 1: You can't be a big and be that expendable like
Speaker 1: those guys are beyond. But when he's on the court,
Speaker 1: he either has to be effective with getting offensive rebounds
Speaker 1: and defensive rebounds and blocking shots or he can't be
Speaker 1: out there straight up. And that's when I look at Phoenix.
Speaker 1: I'm watching Phoenix, and I don't mean a go like this,
Speaker 1: but this way is flowing. I'm watching Phoenix. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: play three on two like with your check with three
Speaker 1: on five, excuse me, with three guys out here, and
Speaker 1: these guys are just out here for energy, defense and rebounding.
Speaker 1: In today's game, you can't do that. No, you can't,
Speaker 1: because everybody's skilled now to the one through five. And
Speaker 1: if you can't do these one, two, three, four five things,
Speaker 1: you can't even be in today's Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now you have to be completely first player. I feel
Speaker 3: like it's going towards and we'll always probably have guard
Speaker 3: point guard shooting. It's going positionless, Like I think the
Speaker 3: European game was so far ahead of our game from
Speaker 3: a standpoint that they never taught the big men to
Speaker 3: go down on the block. They put you with the
Speaker 3: ball in your hands and go handle your business, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So now you see you see
Speaker 3: an NB do you see a yok with the ability
Speaker 3: of a guard, play making decisions, decision making, can run
Speaker 3: the pick and roll, can set the pick and roll,
Speaker 3: can post, can shoot, the three, can back you down
Speaker 3: and dunk on you like they have the complete game now,
Speaker 3: and you know, in order, I feel like that's the
Speaker 3: only way you can be a big. You know, you
Speaker 3: take it back to like you said, beyond although he's
Speaker 3: an undersized big, you can't just be a shot blocking you.
Speaker 3: You can. I'm not saying you can't because you see
Speaker 3: a Robert Williams, you know, and he's but even there's
Speaker 3: time where you can't play him. You have to be
Speaker 3: you can't be just a one trick and you can't
Speaker 3: be a one trick pony on just the defensive end
Speaker 3: for any position.
Speaker 2: Now, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You gotta be aby to guard on a reimed and
Speaker 1: then if you're big and you can't go dribble handoff,
Speaker 1: or you can't trail. You can't trail three, you can't
Speaker 1: be in today's and.
Speaker 3: Then move your feet because we're switching everything.
Speaker 2: That's what they do.
Speaker 1: They doing pick and rolls today. Get the matchups, the
Speaker 1: mismatch they want. I watched that, man, it took me
Speaker 1: a minute to like, I guess where we are now
Speaker 1: in time where we're used to that style of play.
Speaker 1: And I think the European game came into play because
Speaker 1: it won. It gets the ball movement from side to side.
Speaker 1: All coaches love ball movement from side to side. If one,
Speaker 1: if you get one thing we keep HARKing on. And
Speaker 1: you know this is I think what the Seas are
Speaker 1: having problems where everything's more on one coming down. I
Speaker 1: got it and first side on the strong side right.
Speaker 1: It never goes two weeks side and then it never
Speaker 1: comes back to.
Speaker 2: Strong side right.
Speaker 3: And that's when you're supposed to rebby. We know, that's
Speaker 3: when you're really supposed to attack. Get it from side
Speaker 3: to side and an attack, but you're trying to load.
Speaker 3: They showed the other night, or they showed this morning
Speaker 3: when I was working that KD was on the strong side,
Speaker 3: first side down with five guys like Guy gard him
Speaker 3: and five guys watching him. He didn't swing from one
Speaker 3: side to the other side and then got it back
Speaker 3: and went he went on the strong. I mean you could,
Speaker 3: great players can do it, but it's not a winning
Speaker 3: recipe man.
Speaker 1: And then too too much of anything, man. The Nuggas
Speaker 1: have adjusted to that. The nuggers know everybody don't haul you, man,
Speaker 1: get off and invite the past.
Speaker 2: He has no scenes KD.
Speaker 1: I think Kd's in that style of thinking, that the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn style and how he was getting off from the
Speaker 1: East Coast. I don't think he's adjusted to this West
Speaker 1: Coast style. Yeah, it's not that, you know, in the
Speaker 1: West Coast you got to get layups.
Speaker 2: It's more pace.
Speaker 3: But these motherfuckers him and Book don't get a break.
Speaker 3: You know, how can you get loose and get this
Speaker 3: and get that? And I mean that, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Denver gets their points within the flow. You know, although
Speaker 3: they have two great scores and and you know Gordon
Speaker 3: and and what's the other boy's named, Porter Jr. Everybody's
Speaker 3: stepping up. They touch it, they get in the flow.
Speaker 3: Like Phoenix, I said last night that you know, Looker
Speaker 3: and Katie can't play good. They have to play great
Speaker 3: every single night because they just don't necessarily have the
Speaker 3: help or the ball movement to get other guys involved.
Speaker 1: Sad to hear what's coming out of Phoenix. And then
Speaker 1: we've been hearing this about three four years, if from
Speaker 1: being one hundred.
Speaker 2: You know, we're in the loops. We have a.
Speaker 1: Young guys in the league, you know. And then too,
Speaker 1: what I know about the league too, is when you
Speaker 1: are in the circles of conversation, you can find out
Speaker 1: what's going on in every every team and the personnel
Speaker 1: and how the dynamics of it. And I've been hearing this, man,
Speaker 1: I've been hearing this for a while. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think that when you hear stuff continuously that one
Speaker 1: is made up, because some of it could be hogwashed.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's esteem.
Speaker 1: But man, I've been hearing this continuously about just how
Speaker 1: the young kid eight man and how he gets disconnected
Speaker 1: and how he he doesn't always stay engaged. And at first,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't, you know, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't really really see it see it. But you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times Matt. When I watch the games,
Speaker 1: I watched the bench. I won't even watch the ball.
Speaker 1: I watch off the ball. Uh, you know, I watched
Speaker 1: the bench and how they react to guys playing and scoring.
Speaker 1: You know, when the guy's on the bench and they
Speaker 1: really fuck with you doing dance day, they're in it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And yeah, sometimes in the huddle, man,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like.
Speaker 2: He's there, that he's engaged as as you need him
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: You know, when you hit the playoffs, man, it's a
Speaker 1: whole other level. You know, in the road, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: the twenty five that came on the plane with you
Speaker 1: and maybe a little a couple of sprinkles of a
Speaker 1: couple of fans that fuck with you. But but those
Speaker 1: twenty five us always like this, and this is all
Speaker 1: we got in here. Other than the fans. These are
Speaker 1: the two three fans. Ain't here gonna do shit, right
Speaker 1: they you know, you know what I'm saying. Like, we're
Speaker 1: in here, so you need everybody on the same page.
Speaker 2: You need a body engaged. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm watching the matchup between Ayton and in Jokis. Man, Man,
Speaker 1: it's one sided. He hasn't did anything different. Though he's
Speaker 1: played him the same way for four or five games.
Speaker 1: Now you understand what I'm saying, Like, Bro, Joker's too good.
Speaker 1: He's too good. He's like guys like that. You can't
Speaker 1: you can't come down guard. Timmy can't guard, come down guard.
Speaker 1: She can't come come guard Zach Randolf the same way.
Speaker 2: These guys are going to adjust.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Guys who can actually change
Speaker 1: the course of a game, bro, like like Joker, Joker,
Speaker 1: Joker and Jimmy Butler to me, are imposing the wheel
Speaker 1: on the game so great that you either got the
Speaker 1: double team them very early, like when they get the ball, Matt,
Speaker 1: or you got to be super hyper aggressive, like where
Speaker 1: you're fronting and and I'm giving three quarter, I'm going
Speaker 1: high three quarter. This time I'm double team and I'm bro. Bro,
Speaker 1: he's coming there. He's not a nie, he's coming down.
Speaker 1: Joke is getting past the doning lines, posting up where
Speaker 1: he wants, he catches it. He's getting seven.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Let me let me explain something to all the certain
Speaker 1: pop fans here.
Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all something. If I say anything wrong,
Speaker 2: I want you to stop me for what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, Bro, if you get seven dribbles in the NBA
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Post, you're the post to score the ball. Bro.
Speaker 1: Bro, he's getting seven nine, sometimes seven eight nine straight
Speaker 1: dribbles where he's push two three.
Speaker 2: Four five slight.
Speaker 1: Come on, Manna, that's lord. Let me tell y'all something. Man,
Speaker 1: in real life, this is what you do on the playground. Bro,
Speaker 1: you don't get seven dribbles in the post. Bro, he's
Speaker 1: getting seven eight nine dribbles. And then I'm getting mad
Speaker 1: at them. The guards are not coming back trying to
Speaker 1: dig or nothing.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Just what I'm saying. But DeAndre Ayton, mister Ayton, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do something different. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: give him a high three court. You're gonna to front him.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to heart the whole segment, but tell
Speaker 1: me what what what what do you see?
Speaker 3: Or make him work on the offensive end. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think Aiden is excuse me, make Yokish work on
Speaker 3: the defensive. And Aiden is very talented, but just like
Speaker 3: you hear, I hear, it's always been between his ears.
Speaker 3: It hasn't been his skill set. I mean, this guy
Speaker 3: can he can hit the mid range. He can step
Speaker 3: out a little further than the mid rays knock that down.
Speaker 3: He's a lot threat. He can block shot, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of different things he can do.
Speaker 2: Big fellas should be better than this.
Speaker 3: But it's between his ears, and you know, that's what
Speaker 3: I heard was the reason why they were hesitant on
Speaker 3: on paying him is because they didn't really know how
Speaker 3: he was going to be. He was already a handful
Speaker 3: when he was just on his rookie deal. You get
Speaker 3: this dude a one hundred million plus and and are
Speaker 3: you going to be able to have that same focus?
Speaker 3: Are you going to be able to talk to him?
Speaker 3: You've seen him bypass Chris Paul when Chris is trying
Speaker 3: to talk to him, you know him and MANI are
Speaker 3: like this. You saw him complain about what's the dude's
Speaker 3: name that's been playing for him, the white boy with
Speaker 3: the mohawk. Oh yeah, when he when when when he
Speaker 3: came in and got some minutes? Yeah, when he's coming
Speaker 3: in and he's given the team valuable minutes. But then
Speaker 3: the aiden's on the end of the bench pout and
Speaker 3: are mad or frustrated. So it's just like it's funny,
Speaker 3: you say, like because as Londale. When you know, when
Speaker 3: you say, we watch other things outside of the game.
Speaker 3: You watch how guys interacting the huddle, You watch how
Speaker 3: they are when they come out the game. You watch it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's some of the simplest If I'm coming
Speaker 3: out the game and give you this and you go this,
Speaker 3: and y'all don't get shited from you, and we see
Speaker 3: that as former players, it's just like it's a red
Speaker 3: flag for us, you know what I mean. And you
Speaker 3: get that a lot from Aiden, So it's not to me,
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily about But there's no reason why this
Speaker 3: guy can't be a twenty and twelve twenty and thirteen
Speaker 3: off just pure hustle, offensive rebounds, you know, feed him
Speaker 3: out the pick and roll, hitting submit range jumpers. But
Speaker 3: you know, so you see all this play, but then
Speaker 3: you hear him what did he nickname the self? Something?
Speaker 3: Didn't he domination? Dominating? Dominating? You know, so you're giving
Speaker 3: yourself nicknames, but you're not You're just not going out
Speaker 3: like again, that's to me, you're focusing on the wrong shit.
Speaker 3: You know, you're not going out there and putting your
Speaker 3: impany because we're both within the grants. This guy is
Speaker 3: very very this is no one pick very talented.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would go to him.
Speaker 1: I would actually, I think that the I think the
Speaker 1: scoring load is so heavy on Kat and Booker, and
Speaker 1: you know what they are initiating it. Booker's not even
Speaker 1: waiting Booker if it ain't a double team. He's initiating
Speaker 1: offense right away. So you can't even it ain't even
Speaker 1: like you can do anything. He's got Your two best
Speaker 1: players are being aggressive. You gotta find it.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing Joker come down giving you nine jebbles hook
Speaker 1: shot boom or three Folk.
Speaker 2: Moves in the post. Nobody's digging.
Speaker 1: He know up and under them three times, get the
Speaker 1: shot boom, come down rest one one thousand. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about for like twelve seconds, fifteen seconds. Rest Aiden comes
Speaker 1: down on the slow drag. He comes down. He's double
Speaker 1: team in Booker. He sits in the paying tax man
Speaker 1: and then he goes back down to the office of end.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing. The Phinnish Suns has to do
Speaker 1: something different. Yeah, their approach, man.
Speaker 3: I just don't know if they can because I understand.
Speaker 3: I just I think that they can possibly get a
Speaker 3: game at home because they've got their crowd behind him.
Speaker 3: The role players all play a little bit better playing
Speaker 3: the saturd you know what I mean. But yeah, if
Speaker 3: the style hasn't changed it and and to be honest,
Speaker 3: there's nothing you could really do with Joker, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? You just got to you know, make
Speaker 3: him work. To me, I mean, let me ask you,
Speaker 3: because you were a great defender too, if you were
Speaker 3: playing him, how I'm sure you would give Hi a
Speaker 3: ton of different looks, But how would you play him
Speaker 3: as this this is your matchup this series.
Speaker 1: So a guy like Joker very long gets his hands
Speaker 1: on a lot of ball. He's he has a he
Speaker 1: has a he has a combination of people that I
Speaker 1: have to guard in my life of He's not as
Speaker 1: quick as Dirk, but he has one dribble, two dribble
Speaker 1: pull ups, one dribble off the off, the off, the
Speaker 1: catch moves like Dirk would attack you right. And then
Speaker 1: Dirk also had like floaters to where he wouldn't go
Speaker 1: down there try to ram it on you. But if
Speaker 1: he really want to lay it up on you, he
Speaker 1: would really you know what I'm saying. So he has
Speaker 1: some of those dynamics, but he also has a lot
Speaker 1: of z Bo. He doesn't have great lift, so he's
Speaker 1: always initiating first. The hardest thing about z Bo was
Speaker 1: the initial hit in your chest.
Speaker 2: Man Zebo was.
Speaker 1: His greatness was that when he knew he wasn't getting
Speaker 1: the ball, he would initiate the wrestle.
Speaker 2: And if you wasn't inclined to a.
Speaker 1: Real fucking wrestle, like when you gotta grab it, and
Speaker 1: it's like in the clubs, like straight up bear shit.
Speaker 1: I swear to god, bro, if you wasn't ready to
Speaker 1: be on something like what's up? Look like, if you
Speaker 1: were ready, bro, Zebo would actually grab you, kick you up,
Speaker 1: and he was just strong enough to move you enough
Speaker 1: to where he.
Speaker 2: Would just and then he would seal you.
Speaker 1: And anything that came off the rim like this, he
Speaker 1: would even grab it left hand and then he was
Speaker 1: always using the rim and he was That's how Joker plays.
Speaker 1: If I'm having a guard Joker right now, Bro, the
Speaker 1: first thing I'm gonna do, I'm gonna initiate the fight early.
Speaker 1: As soon as you take it out and you're you're
Speaker 1: trailing man, waiting on you. I'm at the free throw
Speaker 1: line at that end, waiting on you, and guess what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'mna bump you little bit. We're gonna
Speaker 1: run up together. I'm'na bump a little bit. I'ma able
Speaker 1: to smell your clone, your half spray.
Speaker 2: Pump you a little bit.
Speaker 1: By the time we get to a three point line,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run back because I got some responsibilities. As
Speaker 1: you're going to pick a roll boom, we gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna go in the pick and roll together. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: walk through that, and I'm calling, hey, go under us,
Speaker 1: did gorgo?
Speaker 2: Come on? If I got a show, I'm gonna show early.
Speaker 2: But I'm not.
Speaker 1: I gotta switch it up next time I come down.
Speaker 1: I may let him run give him something, but five
Speaker 1: get take one like you can. You cannot give him
Speaker 1: the same thing because guess what he's doing. Joker is
Speaker 1: so smart. He letting you come down. He let you initiate.
Speaker 1: He's like a CounterPunch. He let you swing from boom
Speaker 1: bab Did he adjust it so in that either you
Speaker 1: gotta mix it up, initiate and then in the office event,
Speaker 1: Oh nah, we're finna run. I'm finna see how good
Speaker 1: of shape you are. Finna get down here first I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be big cake, give it a mother again. I
Speaker 1: didn't get it this time. I'm gonna be setting hard picks.
Speaker 3: Rolling hard, like when you're doing the screens.
Speaker 2: So he has to run to like, yeah, this, this
Speaker 2: is the coolness.
Speaker 1: I ain't really don't want to be out here. It
Speaker 1: ain't he picking up on that. You know, joker ain't
Speaker 1: really poking the bear. He ain't initiating uh ad, He
Speaker 1: ain't getting him hot on nothing. He just down here
Speaker 1: pushing him here, get push rebell, lay it back up
Speaker 1: and go back down. He ain't mean mugging Lord. He
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. He letting the sleeping dogs sleep,
Speaker 1: let him sleep.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you, this is your greatest gift? Defensively,
Speaker 4: you would say personally more psychological or physical, because you
Speaker 4: set at both here.
Speaker 1: So my my greatest gift would be my education. I
Speaker 1: was prepared to play Matt, I was prepared to play Listen.
Speaker 2: I used to always.
Speaker 1: I got this from Sam Mitchell and Terry Porter. Terry
Speaker 1: Porter taught me to say, look on, you'll match up.
Speaker 2: This who you this? Who you?
Speaker 1: These are the guys you're gonna play because the guy
Speaker 1: come off the bench. So these are two guys, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to switch. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: you're switching with these Steve goutys, so you gotta know
Speaker 1: what they do. So if you get in the one
Speaker 1: four pick and roll and you switch and we switch
Speaker 1: it at night and you don't know what the guard does,
Speaker 1: you're fuck. You know what I'm saying, and that education
Speaker 1: is everything. So I would go into the game knowing
Speaker 1: at least four five motherfucker's whoy I had the guard
Speaker 1: and what they A and B move and what was
Speaker 1: they kind of tendencies and stuff. That's that was my gift.
Speaker 1: And then the ability to take what I know and
Speaker 1: then use it. I may after practice, I may grab
Speaker 1: Matt or teammates said, let me let me go with
Speaker 1: something cause I got to Timmy of them got this
Speaker 1: pick where they come up and they on strong SHOWE.
Speaker 1: They come up and they get a back pick and
Speaker 1: he has lob. Well, I gotta be responsible. He goes
Speaker 1: over the top. I need to I need to see it.
Speaker 1: So I would go over that and it's like what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I'm like, man, I'm going through.
Speaker 3: Some I think that's what may not to cut you
Speaker 3: off to me playing against him for so many years,
Speaker 3: his greatest gift was his mind. You know, he was
Speaker 3: blessed with the physical ability and worked his ass off
Speaker 3: to fine tune that. But to me, his mind and
Speaker 3: his motor, you know, like you said, as simple as knowing.
Speaker 3: We're not saying they don't know the Scounding report, but
Speaker 3: just knowing the Skynd report like the back of your hand,
Speaker 3: and not just the two guys you're gonna guard, because
Speaker 3: like you said, this, now more than ever, you got
Speaker 3: to know the whole fucking Scott line it because you're
Speaker 3: switching everything and competitiveness. Bro, that the dog, the motor,
Speaker 3: and the smarts to me, because the athlete, you know,
Speaker 3: the skill set you already have. But just the way
Speaker 3: you thought the game, the way you approached the game,
Speaker 3: the ship you would do with all that shit was
Speaker 3: mind and it made you that much more effective physically.
Speaker 1: Bro, to lock a nigga up in the league says
Speaker 1: something about you, because you're not just physically locking somebody up. Mentally,
Speaker 1: you have this person can't even think straight on the
Speaker 1: pattern of the moves that he has, what he's going
Speaker 1: to do when you get the ball, When you have
Speaker 1: miska bobulated a professional bro. That's bro. That's a different
Speaker 1: level of influence. And that's all I'm saying. And I'm
Speaker 1: not expecting Aiden to come out here and and and
Speaker 1: and get any of this. This is obviously over years
Speaker 1: of educating me, having a hunger, but being competitive. Sometimes
Speaker 1: being competitive, we're actually even you out. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's gonna have to give him something different.
Speaker 1: He's the fucking MVP for a reason, and when you're
Speaker 1: dealing with talent like this, you have to attack in
Speaker 1: different ways. I actually think Phoenix should actually make somebody
Speaker 1: else on Denver beat them. But it's over now. I
Speaker 1: feel like Denver has confidence now. Every last player on
Speaker 1: there has confidence and they're pissed off and they're playing like.
Speaker 3: It does My question to you, does aid and learn
Speaker 3: from this?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 3: He learned from it? Will he apply it next year? Okay?
Speaker 3: Look at the playoffs? He served me. He was doing
Speaker 3: this this, and that I could. I didn't really get
Speaker 3: this off I gave him. Will he will he be
Speaker 3: that to me? I think that I think Phoenix wants
Speaker 3: to know that too. Will he learn because we were
Speaker 3: just talking off air, before we started. Sacramento is going
Speaker 3: to learn so much from what happened to Golden State? Absolutely,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Well, Aiden, as a professional
Speaker 3: who is one of the highest paid players on his team,
Speaker 3: a go to guy that they need to move forward,
Speaker 3: will he learn from this experience from him getting his
Speaker 3: ass busted and will it make him work harder be
Speaker 3: more prepared next season?
Speaker 1: That is to say that, that would be the billion
Speaker 1: dollar question. And I think that, and I hate to
Speaker 1: say that. I think he has time to be able
Speaker 1: to be whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: The plenty of time, and he has a skill set.
Speaker 3: I think he said he could be whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: He could be average, or he could push the brounds
Speaker 3: of being an all star every year and being a
Speaker 3: go to type guy.
Speaker 1: He can be on the team by hisself and be
Speaker 1: a twenty five and fifteen.
Speaker 3: Guy easily easy.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about easy money, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like all defense if you want to, because he run,
Speaker 3: he can jump, he can block shot, yes, and.
Speaker 1: When he's engaged, he's one of our better fives in
Speaker 1: the league.
Speaker 2: Real ship.
Speaker 1: He can go to four, you understand, no question. But
Speaker 1: it's gonna be on him, like we're all asking us,
Speaker 1: can he and then has he? You would think that,
Speaker 1: you know, being incentivized with a better contract a lot
Speaker 1: more money would actually.
Speaker 2: Help, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But you know, does he listen? Who If you're not
Speaker 3: going to listen to Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, Devin Booker.
Speaker 2: My answer is no, That's what I was getting.
Speaker 3: If you're not going to listen, is there someone in
Speaker 3: his ear that he listens to and respects enough and
Speaker 3: knows the game that can like give him this kind
Speaker 3: of like maybe that should be your little brother.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've actually been down this road with him. I tried
Speaker 1: to do a uh about five years ago. I was
Speaker 1: during this training training session with all the young guys
Speaker 1: Mobamba Jared Jackson Jr. And he was supposed to be
Speaker 1: one of them, and yeah, he just didn't show up.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, ain't embarrassing, but you know we didn't
Speaker 1: get to work out.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, yeah I didn't. I didn't circle back.
Speaker 1: But in that it was kind of now I'm getting
Speaker 1: the worms of what what what the day to day
Speaker 1: is for everybody that's in Phoenix, And you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you know young guys are immature. Let's just be one
Speaker 1: hundred and that's okay. It's okay because you're going to progress,
Speaker 1: you want to get better, and you're going to mature
Speaker 1: at some point, right, So that's what we are with it.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that, uh, this is on eight.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Eight wants to get better.
Speaker 1: He has to be real with himself in the mirror.
Speaker 1: Look at film. Film does not lie. And then you
Speaker 1: know what, it's here for you to get better. You're
Speaker 1: not out of the league, you don't. You don't have
Speaker 1: to do any of this. But if you want to
Speaker 1: be better, and if you want another nice contract, and
Speaker 1: if you want to be able to live this beautiful
Speaker 1: life that you've created for yourself, bro, you gotta better yourself.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you can get two more contracts if you want, man.
Speaker 1: Bro, he can actually man. Listen, I see Phoenix. I
Speaker 1: don't see Phoenix sitting around with this though. No, he's
Speaker 1: he's a He's an asset where you can go and
Speaker 1: get assetts back.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So if he don't want to buy into what they're doing,
Speaker 1: then I think that's time to move on.
Speaker 4: Some other young guys within the league that have kind
Speaker 4: of had some growing pains in the postseason.
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks and Jordan Poole come to mind as well.
Speaker 4: On top of the eight, Matt, you kind of dropped
Speaker 4: some jokes with us yesterday kind of talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: the vets kind of teaching the young guys the way,
Speaker 4: but how much of this is kind of a little
Speaker 4: on their own in their own journey of learning this
Speaker 4: ship on their own, Because there was probably a point
Speaker 4: in time in your career where there was an e
Speaker 4: vet maybe pulling you to deside to tell you some
Speaker 4: stuff you had to learn on your own.
Speaker 2: You always got a vet. You always got a vet.
Speaker 3: Now what's different now?
Speaker 2: Then you know whether you want to hear the vet out?
Speaker 1: And then that vet may be a fucking assistant coach
Speaker 1: or Nigga up Stands or somebody that you don't even know,
Speaker 1: but he a real one. Hey, mad let me how
Speaker 1: did you for a second? Yeah, And then he'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to hear this, but he's saying
Speaker 1: some real ship and that's how I really did go.
Speaker 1: You know, you got applied, bro, Bro, You know what's
Speaker 1: crazy with all that?
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 1: When they was talking that shit, was nobody right there
Speaker 1: to say nothing. Everybody was win it, we was within it.
Speaker 1: Then you got beat. Then everybody ran. Didn't want nobody.
Speaker 3: Here, They didn't want to smoke, so did nobody.
Speaker 2: Wants So that's the answer here.
Speaker 1: If ain't nobody gonna say nothing when it's all cool,
Speaker 1: then when why would somebody say SOMETHINGE is fucked up?
Speaker 1: And that's your answer.
Speaker 4: What's the root of it that you guys think? Do
Speaker 4: you just think it's society now? Do you think it's
Speaker 4: just people? Social media?
Speaker 2: Social media?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I think I think everything is is
Speaker 3: a show, now, you know what I mean? And it
Speaker 3: starts down in grassroots for I'm coaching kids and and
Speaker 3: you know, you'll lose or see a team lose, and
Speaker 3: you'll see a highlight reel from the game and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, y'all just lost or we just lost. Like
Speaker 3: but that the mindset is always having to put on
Speaker 3: a show, always having to do something. And I think,
Speaker 3: and it's hard for us to speak on it because
Speaker 3: we kind of caught the tail.
Speaker 2: End of it.
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't like we knew like shit if we
Speaker 3: were gonna go out and show this or it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a problem like winteror like we took losses more
Speaker 3: s like now it's just like the fuck we played
Speaker 3: a bad game, but I played with you know, it's
Speaker 3: almost like kind of that. I don't even want to
Speaker 3: call these guys tepic because I don't know him like that,
Speaker 3: but it comes off as like I did what I
Speaker 3: was supposed to do. But then, like you said, when
Speaker 3: you don't stand on your shit, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I had no issue what Dylan Brooks is saying
Speaker 3: who he was even I didn't give a fuck he
Speaker 3: was talking to Lebron like that, like that's dope. Like
Speaker 3: you have enough courage, top, but you got to stand
Speaker 3: on it. Don't just talk when shit is going good
Speaker 3: when shit is going bad, and so when the stuff
Speaker 3: starts going bad, and now you don't want to talk
Speaker 3: to the media. Now you want to say the media
Speaker 3: is making you a vielain and the fans are doing this,
Speaker 3: this and that. But just the whole season you were
Speaker 3: dancing and bopping and doing and talking and ipoke bears
Speaker 3: and I don't respect no one and Draymond ain't shit.
Speaker 3: Stand on that because you're gonna get more respect for
Speaker 3: standing on it and being wrong, but standing on what
Speaker 3: you do instead of doing some shit and then running
Speaker 3: from it once the smoke hits, you know, and congratulating
Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks, I mean, second team. All the NBA is
Speaker 3: no that that's dope joke, and he's definitely gonna find
Speaker 3: a home. But to me, I just and I asked
Speaker 3: Tick about this with Aiden, do you learn from this?
Speaker 3: You have to learn from it because we all did
Speaker 3: stuff when we were younger that we're not proud of.
Speaker 3: Luckily there wasn't social media, so now all the young
Speaker 3: dumb shit you do is for the world to see,
Speaker 3: and they get this. You paint this picture of who
Speaker 3: they think you are. So now do you learn from
Speaker 3: your mistakes. I'm never telling Dylan brook to change the
Speaker 3: way he plays. I'm just saying, if this is what
Speaker 3: you're gonna be about, you got to stand on it, bro,
Speaker 3: you got to stand on it. I'm not telling Jordan
Speaker 3: Poole is one of the hardest working, most skill I
Speaker 3: mean I got to see it up close and personal,
Speaker 3: you know, in practic like this dude works his ass off.
Speaker 3: But then you just see that you know, obviously we
Speaker 3: can't speak to the dynamic between him and Draymond because
Speaker 3: we don't really know what that is now. But obviously
Speaker 3: get knocked out is going to fuck the dynamic up.
Speaker 3: But you don't want to hear from Staut. I mean,
Speaker 3: you got the blueprint in front you with the Splash Brothers,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. You got two of the
Speaker 3: greatest shooters to ever live. You get to see them
Speaker 3: every like, I don't understand. I don't know if he
Speaker 3: appreciates how lucky he is to have that on a
Speaker 3: day to day basis like this, These are the greats.
Speaker 3: These guys are going to the Hall of Fame. These
Speaker 3: are two of the greatest shooters to ever do. And
Speaker 3: I get to work with these guys and bump with
Speaker 3: them and do this and learn from every day. I
Speaker 3: don't know if these younger guys are soaking in and
Speaker 3: appreciating what's going on. And then, like we were talking
Speaker 3: about earlier, we really had those vets that will pull
Speaker 3: you to the side and check you whether like you said,
Speaker 3: whether the guy is playing, whether he's not. But it
Speaker 3: was someone that you did that you would respect, like
Speaker 3: when he said he's you said, Sam Mitchell was one
Speaker 3: of your great best right. He wasn't an all star,
Speaker 3: no superstar, but he earned the respect of one of
Speaker 3: the greatest players of all time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't always have to be a superstar pulling
Speaker 3: to the side. It could be someone that did just
Speaker 3: you respect him because he's about his word, he's about
Speaker 3: his business. And I had that kind of respect for
Speaker 3: younger players. I was never the best player, and I
Speaker 3: bounced from team to team, but I led like when
Speaker 3: I believe I led, but I'll run through a wall.
Speaker 3: I'll do everything you need to do to win. So
Speaker 3: when I spoke to these younger players to be all right,
Speaker 3: oh do I feel you, and you would see carryovers.
Speaker 3: So when we talked on our show yesterday, it's just like,
Speaker 3: when we talk about these young players, it's not to
Speaker 3: disrespect or we're older players trying to shit on these
Speaker 3: younger players and they're getting like, that's never our approach.
Speaker 3: Our approach is if we're in the locker room, we
Speaker 3: would tell you this to your face and your eyes,
Speaker 3: man the man. It would never get to the media.
Speaker 3: It would be me pulling like, bro, come on, we
Speaker 3: got to clean that up. You're too important. For this team.
Speaker 3: You can't be doing that. You can't be you know
Speaker 3: what I mean that there was stuff that someone told
Speaker 3: us before, so we would tell with that. That's why
Speaker 3: I like in Memphis, I guess it's not Steven Adams
Speaker 3: because they ran through that. I feel like Draymond kind
Speaker 3: of lost his way as a leader, and I think
Speaker 3: he gained it back, but I don't know if he'll
Speaker 3: there's always going to be friction between him and I
Speaker 3: don't even call it friction. It's just it's off and
Speaker 3: you can visially see it. But I just think some
Speaker 3: of these younger players need guidance these days because it's
Speaker 3: just such a different world we live in, and some guys,
Speaker 3: once they get their money, it's hard to tell them anything. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it's a.
Speaker 2: Great way to put it.
Speaker 1: None of us saw the Jimmy Butler effect like this
Speaker 1: my Nigga Jimmy Butler Show. Jimmy Butler has simplified the
Speaker 1: fucking game and is willing. He's probably other than Joker.
Speaker 1: He's willing his team. And then I actually think that
Speaker 1: the Heat had a chance to beat the Knicks without me.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They are They are active to my. My point to
Speaker 3: you is, isn't he already maxed out All Star? No?
Speaker 2: No, he is, he is.
Speaker 1: But if we're going by regular season ship, Jimmy, Jimmy
Speaker 1: gave us the coast, he gave us.
Speaker 3: A little bit in Southeast, he gave it, then clip
Speaker 3: right the whole ship.
Speaker 1: And then we get to the playoffs, and then I
Speaker 1: got to give up to East post Man. He always
Speaker 1: has his teams ready for that. Lord, I'm going I'm
Speaker 1: going to Vincent. I'm going and true say he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's uh Stockton. You know Vincent is Stockton. I'm saying
Speaker 1: this to say that Miami to me, got like four
Speaker 1: or five guys to where Yeah, yeah, they deserve the stouts?
Speaker 2: Am I saying this name? Right there?
Speaker 1: Stockers up all them, motherfucker. That's about four people in
Speaker 1: the heat that you can go to. You're Calvin Martin,
Speaker 1: the little Lightston care right, he has a twinter, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like four guys. So I don't even know what
Speaker 1: your list is. But if we see it here and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna say this, we go to Jordan Poole.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes bad games for you to calm down,
Speaker 1: Like my problem with him, or at least when I'm
Speaker 1: watching it players perspective, in my opinion, is that he
Speaker 1: just going way too fast, like he needs to take
Speaker 1: her trying to get it all back. He's like like
Speaker 1: he's giving you like he's given you like like three
Speaker 1: folk moves and the guy hasn't even reacted to the
Speaker 1: first move. And I'm like, damn, young fella, just calm damn.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like one beat, one beat
Speaker 2: like he like, and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, you know, like you on the first one, bro,
Speaker 1: you had him like off the pump, think he went
Speaker 1: second half?
Speaker 3: Would it failed? But then you played the third move
Speaker 3: right back, so he catches back.
Speaker 1: That's that's if if I don't have any issues with
Speaker 1: how the game is being grown, but if it's anything
Speaker 1: that I like put the astrophof on, it would be
Speaker 1: that like some kids are sowing their heads that they
Speaker 1: got they already got the heasy ready, the HEAs he
Speaker 1: is that sho here you could and one move set
Speaker 1: up the next move with set something the next move,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so I look for Jordan Poole to just
Speaker 1: slow down a little bit and get that betro. But Wiggins.
Speaker 1: Let's let's be honest. Wiggins, his stock is I think
Speaker 1: it's went up a little bit. I think he's been
Speaker 1: engaged with the Lebron matchup. You know, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: typical or let's say traditional Andrew Wiggins would be a
Speaker 1: lot more. You know, it is the playoffs, so you
Speaker 1: got to anticipate him in the thus. But I think
Speaker 1: I heard I think I heard Perks say, man, and
Speaker 1: then and and Lebron James is going to dominate Andrew Wiggins.
Speaker 1: And I think he heard that. Man, he heard that
Speaker 1: ship man, you know, man Wiggs out here hooping?
Speaker 2: Who else?
Speaker 1: Who else? Stocks Gordon, the kid Gordon from Denver? Man,
Speaker 1: what's the brown kid that came from New York? Came
Speaker 1: from Brook Brown man, Bruce Brown.
Speaker 3: And they said he had a problem even finding the team.
Speaker 2: That is crazy, you know.
Speaker 1: He told the coach man, I don't think these I
Speaker 1: don't think these teams know how to use me, and
Speaker 1: coach like, come on now here, I know how to
Speaker 1: use I'm gonna let you lye because he a.
Speaker 2: Great point forward, bro bro.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker point point guard, rebound, turn back around the guard.
Speaker 3: He can be the screener or the ball handling man.
Speaker 1: He is like his stock, like his stock is up. Bro,
Speaker 1: there's like three four guys on Denver that stock is up.
Speaker 1: Porter Junior, man, did nobody see this from Porter Junior?
Speaker 2: And he calm with it. He ain't even giving you nothing.
Speaker 3: He just playing good.
Speaker 1: You know, he's just even he's uh, he's Joe Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yah yeah right on defense is high, nothing high.
Speaker 3: He's just hard to play with. No emotions is the
Speaker 3: fucking art.
Speaker 1: And the place going crazy was like yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: who else it's I mean, we can see here and
Speaker 1: go through the whole jone like Austin Reeves reez yeah him,
Speaker 1: mister him, yeah, mister Hill.
Speaker 2: He yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He should get a nice contract, and then if I'm him,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't leave the Lakers, even though he's gonna get
Speaker 1: some bigger offers.
Speaker 2: He gonna get.
Speaker 3: When he already said like, it's not about the Lakers.
Speaker 3: He's going to get the money.
Speaker 2: Oh he's dumb, yeah you know.
Speaker 3: But but I think it's a great conversation because we've
Speaker 3: seen players in our time too. Some guys. I don't
Speaker 3: ever want to call people system players because I don't
Speaker 3: want it to take away from their talent. But some
Speaker 3: guys are great in certain situations and find out that
Speaker 3: ship ain't the situation you have here, won't be the
Speaker 3: situation you have over here. And some guys, I think
Speaker 3: some guys, that's hard to understand why you're in the moment.
Speaker 1: Lane Stevenson was a motherfucking damn all star in d M.
Speaker 1: That nigga took that show on the road, and nobody
Speaker 1: man listen, Memphis Clippers, wherever else he ended up, they
Speaker 1: didn't want to hear that ship. But when he went
Speaker 1: back to Indiana, same thing, old depot, only depot in Indiana.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, what.
Speaker 3: About something we play with Sean Mariam oh Man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all that Phoenix is in Phoenix. And then not that
Speaker 3: he didn't do well in Dallas. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: they won a championship with him in Dallas, but.
Speaker 2: He wasn't He wasn't like that.
Speaker 3: He was great Phoenix. Yeah, the system was great for
Speaker 3: the way he played the game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So sometimes I think he made a great point with
Speaker 3: Austin Reeves, although he already said he's gonna chase the bag.
Speaker 3: Sometimes a situation is what allows you to flourish and
Speaker 3: show all your ship.
Speaker 2: He gonna find out the Lake Show.
Speaker 1: He gonna find out that bag sometimes it ain't the
Speaker 1: Lake Show guy.
Speaker 3: There and everything that comes with it. You mean the
Speaker 3: great white hire me a white boy that the Lakers.
Speaker 3: They don't get no bigger than that bro you here
Speaker 3: basketball period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, I would consider that. He gotta you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, right, you go ahead, get your money,
Speaker 1: young fella dude the hallways. But I like him as
Speaker 1: a player. He's tough too, Yeah, I like him too.
Speaker 1: And he's confident, you know in this league, man, confidence.
Speaker 3: Is everything everything.
Speaker 1: I want to throw something at you right quick while
Speaker 1: we while we're just chopping man, Let.
Speaker 2: Mean, you know the.
Speaker 1: You got you know, I was sitting up and thinking,
Speaker 1: man like, the changing of the guard is coming soon,
Speaker 1: ron ron is you know right, so we're here, it's
Speaker 1: probably gonna play probably a couple by one or two
Speaker 1: more years out of anticipate, right, you know, Next in line,
Speaker 1: man is joh you know, next line is you know,
Speaker 1: Gosh like LaMelo. Uh, you know, obviously we're still in
Speaker 1: the Giannis and Joker and then beat them, not disrespecting them.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the next wave yeah, Man Tatum is
Speaker 1: definitely there. John Luca, Yeah, Luca, I'm gonna put Jenning
Speaker 1: Brown in there.
Speaker 2: I want to put a Zion in there.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these players that that's that's up next,
Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering to myself at one point do
Speaker 1: they have to take these next steps?
Speaker 2: The rain?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, like Zion, Man, like, how long do you stay?
Speaker 1: Like like when in b It's being did a little
Speaker 1: joint on emb and it took you back to where
Speaker 1: when he got drafted and then not just one but
Speaker 1: two years off and how the Philly fan base just
Speaker 1: I don't know what, but I guess we were just
Speaker 1: all waiting because we had no choice. But they stayed,
Speaker 1: of course with it. And I'm watching Zion have like
Speaker 1: not like the same, but like the similar, kind of
Speaker 1: like patients with big fellas. I ain't go from Man
Speaker 1: the Duncan in the three sixty and the ship, Like
Speaker 1: what he was doing in the workout bothered everybody and
Speaker 1: he got doubted. Yeah, we didn't want to say nothing
Speaker 1: about it, but it left me thinking, like, man, what's
Speaker 1: his next steps to be able to be consistent on dominance?
Speaker 2: Man, health, obss, the big.
Speaker 3: Things because I feel like, is it duals deeper than that? Though? Man, No,
Speaker 3: I think that's the key because we see it and
Speaker 3: you and we know it's people who play the game
Speaker 3: as talented you are. Your first three or four years,
Speaker 3: you don't even understand the NBA game yet. And this
Speaker 3: dude is a breaking field goal percentage records and and
Speaker 3: and putting up zion. I'm talking about putting up all
Speaker 3: kinds of incredible numbers. And he's just doing this off
Speaker 3: of size, speed and athleticism. Like you said with Jordan Poole,
Speaker 3: when you when when the game slows down for and
Speaker 3: you could take a beat and learn the game, it's maturity.
Speaker 3: But then you see the game different too, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So I think that's what they're waiting for.
Speaker 3: And and and the mbat example got It's funny. I
Speaker 3: said that shit on Instagram not too long ago. Like
Speaker 3: remember the process within B didn't start fast. It took
Speaker 3: a minute to get going.
Speaker 2: It was terrible.
Speaker 3: But now look at what you have, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So I think obviously New Orleans had to
Speaker 3: pay them because they're not They don't get stars like that.
Speaker 3: Every time they get a star. He bounces, but they
Speaker 3: have to be patient. But I think if if he
Speaker 3: can get hisself together, he's going to be a special
Speaker 3: I actually shot it. Come. I started commercial with him
Speaker 3: yesterday and that was my first time meeting him in person.
Speaker 3: That's a massive motherfucker. He's just a big kid project.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. How long do you stay.
Speaker 3: With this contract? What do you got a four year deal? Right,
Speaker 3: it's this contract. You got to see what you got
Speaker 3: to show me something in this contract next year? No,
Speaker 3: I mean I think you're right. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you do because you're paying him
Speaker 3: so much money? Like think just and we don't even
Speaker 3: want to speak this this if something happens to him
Speaker 3: where he's not able to play more than half the
Speaker 3: games next year, yeah, I think you like to show
Speaker 3: hopefully next year.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying to you. The Kois designs,
Speaker 1: the Chris Paul's, the Westbrooks. There's a bunch of question
Speaker 1: marks in the lead to what do you what do
Speaker 1: you do with these players? Paul George's I think this
Speaker 1: is his second you're dealing with you know, he had
Speaker 1: to show them off like, well we we are looking
Speaker 1: at real question marks, Bro, like, where are we with
Speaker 1: the question?
Speaker 3: Why is it? My? I guess my question to you
Speaker 3: is is is it because there's too much activity?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Are these young and outside of TPG thirty eight? Is
Speaker 3: it this new generation plays too much basketball before they
Speaker 3: get to the level we're on now and their bodies
Speaker 3: are more beat up than our bodies were coming in?
Speaker 3: I mean you played along? Time's time?
Speaker 2: Practice?
Speaker 3: Yeah, practice right?
Speaker 2: Half the battle practice? What do you do every day?
Speaker 2: Did Bro? What do you do every day? I come in,
Speaker 2: I get shot up.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out. I'm trying to how
Speaker 3: come these guys like? How come? Is just a consistency
Speaker 3: of stars being hurt?
Speaker 2: That's what I guess. That's the question I was trying
Speaker 2: to get.
Speaker 3: So to me, does it stem from get before you
Speaker 3: get to the league, all the all the miles on
Speaker 3: your body? Is it? Is it too there's too much
Speaker 3: science into it now? Where if you're always resting when
Speaker 3: it's time to really go or you not ready to?
Speaker 3: Like to me, I don't think anyone has the answer
Speaker 3: this question. But I'm just trying to think as an athlete.
Speaker 3: I just remember rarely when we played coming into the
Speaker 3: playoffs that we were. I mean you had you had
Speaker 3: an injury in the playoffs one time, but rare. Most
Speaker 3: of the time in your career when it was playoff time,
Speaker 3: you were ready to rock. You may not have been
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, but you was ready to go and
Speaker 3: you was gonna play until you either won it or
Speaker 3: lost it. Now it's just like damn. People are losing
Speaker 3: and the other teams are winning because the stars can't
Speaker 3: play consistently.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm asking, how long do you stay with
Speaker 2: these projects? Too? Bro?
Speaker 1: You have to play, But the players are taking a
Speaker 1: year off, players are taking two years off, players are
Speaker 1: so I don't understand. So this generation is not playing
Speaker 1: more basketball than our generation.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's different. I think AU is different
Speaker 3: to I think, man, these kids are playing.
Speaker 1: You balled and me, no way, I ain't going. I
Speaker 1: played in the summer a mouth shot. Ain't no going
Speaker 1: inside where I'm from. Everybody no grieving more than everybody
Speaker 1: know me, and is playing on the black They're playing
Speaker 1: on blacktop all day.
Speaker 2: Ain't no going home, you know, I ain't ain't nothing
Speaker 2: to eat at home.
Speaker 1: We're fin to get out here, put our bread together.
Speaker 3: We outside water hole, Hamburgers, thy nice and cheeseburger.
Speaker 1: We out here and we out here at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm that spring from at Lakeside. Man in Lakeside, I'm
Speaker 1: over here. I'm we're playing all day.
Speaker 3: So what is it then? Is the mint mental?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 1: That's I want to know the state of these guys.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody says they work out in the summer.
Speaker 1: You know what I and discuss me when I go
Speaker 1: to the summer league and I look around the fucking
Speaker 1: summer league on the floor.
Speaker 3: Of course, second se second league, second, all.
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers that need to be in the man you
Speaker 1: have if y'all didn't even play a fucking season half
Speaker 1: y'all didn't even play.
Speaker 3: Half a season, first, second, third year, go play summer league.
Speaker 1: Man, you got you, Man, I think Man Joe, like, man, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like.
Speaker 2: That guy, but it is what it is. Man.
Speaker 1: Man, if you're wondering, like how long are the these
Speaker 1: are these projects gonna be projects? Projects? Like at one point,
Speaker 1: can I actually pay this guy to be a superstar.
Speaker 3: With responsib Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, Man.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's gonna be a bunch of question marks answered
Speaker 1: this summer, I'm gonna throw eight and in there. What
Speaker 1: he's displaying right now, this is a complete collapse pool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I heard that. Yeah, move him there because yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know how real it was, but I heard
Speaker 3: that the Warriors had a chance to trade pool Kaminga
Speaker 3: and it was either Wiseman or Moody for Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3: And they show and out. Like I said, I can't
Speaker 3: back normally when I tell you shit, I can say
Speaker 3: like I know for sure, I can't say that for sure,
Speaker 3: But I heard that because they were just so high
Speaker 3: on what you know, Jordan Poole came up of the
Speaker 3: playoffs players, they want a championship. Average seventeen that next
Speaker 3: step during the season or average twenty in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: You expect the output to go up, but it hasn't.
Speaker 3: And I say all that to say, like, think about
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant with this Warrior team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a difference.
Speaker 3: You know, are back with this weird team different, you know,
Speaker 3: so hey, yeah, I I.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that you say it's mental and
Speaker 3: the fact that these guys are getting a lot of
Speaker 3: money now, so maybe they are just comfortable, comfortable with
Speaker 3: the money.
Speaker 2: Wow, so you're not hungry anymore. Kind of like an
Speaker 2: nil question that you asked.
Speaker 1: Man, Bro when you get the bag, put off the
Speaker 1: gas man listen. I always say, man, you know, if
Speaker 1: you want to see if somebody really want it, man,
Speaker 1: give him everything he wants.
Speaker 2: See if he still.
Speaker 3: Works, see if you still wake up so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it A.
Speaker 1: Now y'all know what it is, man, it's the picks
Speaker 1: up the wig. Let's go Sunday Sunday Game seven, got
Speaker 1: damn for all the marbles, seventy sixers in Boston. I
Speaker 1: do not think that the seventy six ers can put
Speaker 1: another game together like they did. I think the Celtis winner,
Speaker 1: I think they do. I think I think Philly challenges
Speaker 1: them to a point where they have to go to another.
Speaker 2: Level, and I think they do. So, Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Let's get it. And those are the picts of the wig.
Speaker 2: Let's go