1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Karl mark Worth's show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: No monologue this week as I'm traveling, but coming up 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: an interview with Chadwick Moore. But first, on January twenty seventh, 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: International Holocaust Remembrance Day, we remember the great evil of 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: the Holocaust, when millions of Jews were slaughtered during the 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Nazis reign of terror. Today, the rise in global anti 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: Semitism and the constant attacks on Israel show us that 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: it's more important than ever to remember the atrocities of 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: the Holocaust to ensure it never happens again. 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Give a gift to show your 17 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: support of the Jewish people by visiting SUPPORTIFCJ dot org. 18 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: That's one word, support IFCJ dot org or call eight 19 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: eight eight four eight eight IFCJ. That's eight eight eight 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: four eight eight IFCJ eight eight eight four eight eight 21 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: four three two five. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz 22 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Chadwickmore. Chadwick is 23 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: the author of the book Tucker, a biography of Tucker Carlson, 24 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: and has an excellent substack you can check out at 25 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Chadwickmore dot com. Hi, Chadwick, So nice to have you on. 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, great to be with you. Thanks for having me. 27 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: So I first heard of you, or maybe even met 28 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: you shortly after you were canceled by the left around 29 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: what was it twenty seventeen or twenty. 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: Eighteen, Yeah, yeah, early twenty seventeen, right after the inauguration 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: Trump's first inauguration. 32 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: So you were working at the Advocate and Out magazines, 33 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: which are two major gay magazines, right that correer. 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah they were, Yeah, they were gay magazines. I think 35 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: they're just trans magazines now, but they were at the 36 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: time the big gay magazines in the country. 37 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: Right. So, and then you came out as a conservative. 38 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: You wrote an article saying that you were voting for Trump. 39 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Why did you do it? 40 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: I mean, mainly it was like, I didn't think it 41 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: was in the New York Post and I got so 42 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: it was mainly watching what happened. A lot of big 43 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: building up to it. But you know Trump's inauguration. I 44 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: saw the outrage, and I saw like the Pink half 45 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: March and all this, you know, Madonna saying you want 46 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: to blow up the White House? All this stuff. I 47 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: got like, and I realized also an image in that 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: march of people were holding this these posters of like 49 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: a woman in a job, like an American flag a job. 50 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I've never seen all these images and thought, 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: I just can't stay silent anymore because I thought, you know, 52 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: at the time, I was I've always been a journalist, 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: and but I didn't. I wasn't really in political journalism. 54 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: I mostly did human interest stories features things of that nature, 55 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: which I love and still love, but I kind of 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: stayed away from the politics side of it. I had 57 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: my views, I kept quiet about them, and after I 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: saw that, I just thought I have to say something, 59 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: not thinking it would anyone would even read it or 60 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: be attention to it. 61 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you didn't think, No, I was, no, not 62 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: at all. 63 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: I was so naive. I'm still super naive, I think, 64 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: but I was really naive, and I just thought like, 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm just going to be like, you know, I'm not 66 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: like these people, just because like I'm a gay guy. 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: I work at these gay publications. I also wrote for 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: The New York Times and Playboy and a bunch of 69 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: other places, and you know, I just thought like, I'm 70 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: going to say something just to be like I'm not 71 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: like them. I don't hate Trump. I believe in free speech. 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: I believe in something called the truth is out there, 73 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: and I think that the media and my colleagues are 74 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: behaving ridiculously. And I thought it was super innocent. I 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: really didn't think much had come of it, and then 76 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: to my surprise, it went totally viral, and then I 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: canceled and fired and all this other stuff. 78 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: So it's funny because if I had known you before, 79 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: I'd be like, Chadwick, don't do this. You're going to 80 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: destroy your life. But obviously it was the right thing 81 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: to do. And I often ask people who do the 82 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: right thing, even though it clearly will harm them, why 83 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: they do that. And I think that, you know, has 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: it been a positive for you, Like, do you wish 85 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: you hadn't come out as a conservative. 86 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. I mean it has been 87 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: a positive in the sense. I mean, I never I 88 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: guess I didn't think. I didn't think too much about 89 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: it because I've always just been the sort of person, 90 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: for better or worse, the sort of person just kind 91 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: of goes with my instincts and just says what I think, 92 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: you know, which is also got me into a lot 93 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: of trouble. Uh. You know, at first, it was really 94 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: difficult for sure, because I lost I didn't know what. 95 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: I didn't have any friends who were like conservative. I 96 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: wasn't like in conservative meaning I was you know, I 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: was very much completely on my own for a very 98 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: long time because, you know, aside from losing my jobs, 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: I also lost on my friends because of that silly article. 100 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: And kind of a big deal. 101 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. So I wasn't really I was 102 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: not prepared for that at all. I was not prepared 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: for the reaction. I wasn't prepared for the positive reaction 104 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: that immediately came from it, which was thousands of people 105 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: reaching out to me and emailing me and sending me 106 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: messages on social media of support. I wasn't expecting the 107 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: good or the bad. Uh, And I don't even though 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: it was super hard. You know, I had money, I'm 109 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: not I had the money I was, you know, couldn't 110 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: think my rent I was getting evicted because I don't 111 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: have a job. And yeah, but during that time, I 112 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: even kept saying myself, I kept asking myself like did 113 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: I do something wrong? Or are these people right about me? 114 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: And each time I came back to it and I said, no, 115 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: I didn't do anything wrong. So even during the really 116 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: dark period immediately following that, I never regretted it one 117 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: bit at all. And of course, you know, life then 118 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: gradually got better, and you know, you find yourself and 119 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: your footing and you find out, you know, you find people, 120 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: genuine good people in your life, and those relationships become 121 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: more meaningful. Have any of. 122 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: Those friends come back or they were all all done? 123 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: None of my good friends, like my core best friends, 124 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: none of them, not a peep. But I have had 125 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: some kind of acquaintances who've come back, not many, two 126 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: or three who've said, you know, I'm basically I'm sorry, 127 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: or I realized that you were right or been like 128 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: red built since then a former roommate, you know, asked 129 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: me up for the other day. I kind of said 130 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: that as much. So that's been interesting. 131 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: Did you always want to be a writer? 132 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: I did, Yeah, since high school is when I kind 133 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: of fell in love with literature. I used to want 134 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: to be a fiction writer, and I went to school 135 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: for creative writing, mostly fiction and creative writing, and journalism 136 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: and English journalism sort of the fallback. I never wanted 137 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: to get into journalism. And then I spent some time 138 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: in book publishing, and but I sort of immediately, you know, 139 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 2: realized that that number one fiction writing is sort of silly, 140 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: and there's from a professional standpoint, it's very difficult to 141 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: make a living doing that. But also more than that, 142 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: I just sort of began to realize that real life 143 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: is far more interesting than fiction. I began to get 144 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: more interested in and then, of course, you know, this 145 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: was many years ago, but then when Donald Trump came 146 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: along and things of that nature, know, uh, the world 147 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: just became more interesting too. Politics became more interesting. 148 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: What do you consider your beat, Now, that's. 149 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: A great question. I'm not really sure. I mean, I 150 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 2: guess it's a lot of cultural cultural commentary in politics. 151 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: I I you know, I wrote this book. You mentioned 152 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: about Tucker, and I really loved working on that because 153 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: it didn't feel like a political book. You know, I 154 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: get really bogged down with too much of the infighting 155 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: and the politics and the outrage. And I still at 156 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: that core. I love the human interest side of things, 157 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: and and I find people more interesting than politics. I 158 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: find uh so that that book was really wonderful to 159 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: work on because it didn't feel like a political book. 160 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: It felt like just a book about a guy, a 161 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: really interesting guy and a really important and increasingly powerful person. 162 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: Uh just you know, getting into his story and his 163 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: life and what he's about, what motivates him, where he 164 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: came from, his family history. I love that stuff. But 165 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: I still love that stuff. But I love sort of 166 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: that that date deeper into the I guess it's more 167 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: of the humanity side of political journalism. 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Did you become friends? I feel like I always wonder 169 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: what happens with a biographer and their subject, Like what 170 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: happens at the end? 171 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: Are you guys? You know? 172 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Do you hang out? 173 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: Yeah? 174 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: I know, I know everything about you, like everything about you. 175 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still you still text me and and I 176 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: think it's still the same exact relationship as we did beforehand. 177 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: Of course I know a lot more about him now 178 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: and uh yeah, yeah, we've still we still keep up 179 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: and and uh and all that. For sure. 180 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: Who would you want to write a biography about? 181 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: Next? 182 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: Like? Who? Your kind of dream? 183 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: Well? I had it, and I wanted to do Malania 184 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Trump so badly, but she just wrote her own book. 185 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: You can still you can still do it, for sure, 186 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: And biographies are very different. 187 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: Yes, this is true, This is true. But you know, 188 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking in other directions now. But but 189 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: that was for serve by next one I saw she published. 190 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: I also know people I've never met her, but people 191 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: were friends of mine, are close to her, and I 192 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: know she's very very guarded. I wouldn't want to do 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: a biography where I couldn't have the kind of personal 194 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: access that I did with Tuck her. I'm not sure 195 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: if she would give that to anyone, but that was 196 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: sort of my Before she published her own book, I 197 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: thought like, oh man, that would be so interesting because 198 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: she's such a mystery, you know, like I would still love. 199 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: To read a biography of her where somebody does have 200 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: access to you know, she's she is so interesting and 201 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: I think that there's so many things we don't know 202 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: about her, and she's she's a very I'm Eastern European. 203 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I get it. I get the stoicism and you know, 204 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: not letting anybody really break through. But I would love 205 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: to know, you know, what did she think? What did 206 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: who did she like? 207 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: What? 208 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: What's you know? Is she funny? All all these different 209 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: things that I think would be interesting to read about her. 210 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: So I think you should do it. But okay, so 211 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: who else I'm. 212 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: Still have the table. I'm thinking about it. In terms 213 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: of biography, I mean after the show, you know, I know, right, yeah, 214 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: the people who I think are I think Steve Bannon 215 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: would make a fascinating one, but there's one already in 216 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: the works with him I know of, which doesn't mean 217 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: there's that room for more than one book. I think 218 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: he's super fascinating. You know, there's there's few There's a 219 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: lot of people out there in the political world who 220 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: I think are really important and and and and uh 221 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: and powerful. But there's there's a thing you can't really 222 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: put your finger on that I think makes it compelling 223 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: for compelling biography. For some reason, I think Melanie has 224 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: I think Steve has it. I met Steve many times. 225 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: Tucker definitely had it. I mean, there's not I wouldn't 226 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: want to write a biography of just some cable news hosts. 227 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: I mean, most people in cable aren't that interesting. He 228 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: certainly was, and he was a he was a a 229 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: dream subject. You really just put the recorder down in 230 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: front of him and let him talk for hours and 231 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: it's all sort of hilarious and interesting. But other than that, 232 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, I don't know what the 233 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: next book will be a biography because some I'm kind 234 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: of kicking around, but you know, I've been taking some 235 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: time to kind of think about what I want to do. 236 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: And you know, the political landscape of the zeitchdeaceis shifted 237 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: so much now that I just feel there's something in 238 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: the culture, especially on the right, that's looking. You know, 239 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: we've spent so long, we've spent the last eight years 240 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: plus just so bogged down. Even when Trump was present 241 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: the first time, we were still at war, you know, 242 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: like we were still under in the trenches because it 243 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: was just so relentless everything that you were just defending 244 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: him so much and defending ourselves so much. And now 245 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: it really feels like something's broken that like we're breathing 246 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: for the first time in eight years. Is that there's 247 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 2: an in return to normalcy. And maybe just because the 248 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: left is so quiet right now, perhaps plotting something far 249 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: more evil than we could possibly imagine, but there is 250 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 2: at least momentarily this sense of relief and optimism and 251 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: I and I really want to and I'm feeling it 252 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: and I want to capture that in the next subject. 253 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: I think, something looking beyond anger and defensiveness. Yeah, something deeper, 254 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: you know. 255 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely feels like an optimistic moment. My co 256 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: host Mary Katherine Hamm and I on my other podcast 257 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: normally we talk about it all the time, but you know, 258 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: we refer to it as the vibe shift. There's been 259 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: this very noticeable vibe shift where everybody feels lighter and 260 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: more optimistic. And I want to say, even people on 261 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: the left that I follow on x they could still 262 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: hate him, but they are their their kind of tone 263 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: is different. They're definitely not as like everything is so 264 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: serious and awful and terrible. They're they they're kind of 265 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: looking at the future and thinking like maybe maybe it. 266 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: Will be better for sure, And even I feel it 267 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: just in the in the streets of New York and 268 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: even in the shops and what have you, people who 269 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: you assume probably vote a Democrat feel sort of believed. 270 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of people, like outside 271 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: the lefty influencer world and media world, I think a 272 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 2: lot of average Democrats are sort of relieved that he 273 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: won because they know that Daddy's Harmony's going to start 274 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: fixing things, like they're not so bad. 275 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not super into the Daddy's home thing. I 276 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm finding a little a little bit too much. 277 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. 278 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: But I've seen that before. Also, even before Trump. I 279 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: had a friend who, you know, was an upper middle 280 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: class lawyer during the Bush years, and when he got 281 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: re elected in two thousand and four, she was like, 282 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm really happy about it, even though I voted for Kerrie, Like, yeah. 283 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: There's a stability and like a clear vision and there 284 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: was absolutely no clear vision or stability with the alternative 285 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: at all. 286 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Chaos. It's been chaos. And have they even had a president. 287 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: It seems like no. And like I think that me 288 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: of maybe I was more libertarian of like ten years ago, 289 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: would have said like, oh, it'll be fine, like, but 290 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: it actually hasn't been fine, and I think things have 291 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: gotten progressively worse as we have an absent pre on 292 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: the world stage for sure. 293 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it just as you said, it's the vibe, 294 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: how that sort of infected everyone's psyche no matter how 295 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: you vote. 296 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: More coming up with Chadwick Moore. 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Go to Patriot Mobile slash Carol, ka 314 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: ro l or call nine seven to two Patriot and 315 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: get a free month of service with promo code Carol 316 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: with a K. Switch to Patriot Mobile today and defend 317 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: freedom with every call and text you make. Visit Patriotmobile 318 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: dot com slash Carol or call nine seven to two Patriot. 319 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: What do you worry about? Not as much as I 320 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: used to? I can tell you that, like, not as 321 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: much as when I was a kid, for sure, you know, 322 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: I think now like a lot of things, you know. 323 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: But I think I worry about I worry about like 324 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: my parents getting older. I think a lot of people 325 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,239 Speaker 2: worry about that. I think I worry about people I 326 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: know getting older. I worry about people I know, like 327 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: maybe dealing with loneliness or dealing with this or the other. 328 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just read. I just read this 329 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: great book. It's from the seventies and I've never read 330 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: it before. But I can't even remember what drove me 331 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: to pick it up. But it's called Life After Life. 332 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: I believe it's the book from It's a very short book. 333 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: It's so uplifting and wonderful, but it's it's like it's 334 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: the book about near death experiences written by a doctor 335 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: or study like one hundred and fifty. Oh yeah, we 336 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: have to pick it up. It was the book that 337 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: that you know, the whole trope with the light at 338 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: the end of the tunnel. It was that book that 339 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: sparked that year, written over one hundred and fifty people 340 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: about these experiences, either when they were pronounced clinically dead 341 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: or had a near death experience, and they're almost all 342 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: the exact same. Uh. And so I bring that book, 343 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: you know, me thinking about, you know, meeting God, as 344 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: we should think about all the time. I think I 345 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 2: worry a lot about not having that answer when you 346 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 2: die as to you know, so, what did you do 347 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: in your life to make the world a better place? 348 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: What did you do to help people? You know? What's 349 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: that one thing you can point to? They worry about 350 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: not having an answer to that, that one big thing. 351 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: So I think it's probably a good thing to worry about. 352 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: You're still quite young, you have a lot of a 353 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: lot of time to. 354 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: That's true, But you know, things should happen. 355 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, you never know is your family politically like 356 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: you or has that been difficult? 357 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: We're split. One side of the family as conservative Republican 358 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 2: and one is liberal Democrat. And I'm thankful that you know, 359 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: the Democrats are the only the only ones you bring 360 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: it up, you know all the time. 361 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that used to being tell in New York. When 362 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: somebody didn't mention politics in the first like five minutes 363 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: of meeting them, I'd feel conservatives then, you. 364 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 2: Know, exactly exactly for sure, But I'm thankful that it hasn't. 365 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 2: Christmas is coming up, so we'll see what happens on Christmas. 366 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: But I'm thankful that it hasn't aside from maybe a 367 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: tiff here there that that there's still a lot of 368 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: love in the family and then so far choosing to 369 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: look beyond politics. But we'll see what happens at Christmas 370 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: with the Democrats. 371 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self, 372 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: sixteen year old Chadwick, what would you tell him? 373 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, you know, I've tempted to say, like, you know, 374 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: don't be such an angsty, little misanthropic Holden caw Field. 375 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: But at the same time, Like those are my favorite teenagers. 376 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: So like, you know, go ahead and be as angsty 377 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 2: as you want. That you should be go through that phase. 378 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: You have to for sure, like you're not you didn't 379 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: go through adolescents. If you didn't, I think he just 380 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: maybe I just warned him about the sort of hypocrisy 381 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 2: and nepotism that awaits him in the world. Uh, you know, 382 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: be wary of that and and and maybe you know, 383 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: like soaking your grandmother's more, you know, even not that 384 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: I didn't do it enough, but you know, like you're 385 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 2: gonna be four years old and still mishugging your grandma. 386 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally grandma. 387 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. 388 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: That's a really good one because I feel like grandma's 389 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: just grandparents in general don't get the same like respect 390 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: that they used to. I don't know that, yeah for sure, 391 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: But for me, my grandma was one of my most 392 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: important people ever, and I definitely I think soaking up 393 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: your grandparents is such a good piece of advice for 394 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: young people. 395 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 2: Totally, Like as much time as you're spending with them, 396 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: it's not enough. 397 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: More absolutely, But so you wouldn't tell sixteen year old 398 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: Chadwick don't come out as a conservative. 399 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't give him any advice in that, I 400 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: think in terms of career or anything like that, or 401 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: any of the myriad of mistakes and bad shit that 402 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: I did in my life. Sorry, I'm like sorry to 403 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: mean to cuss. Uh yeah, don't do don't get blind 404 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: drunk that night, don't date that, because you got to 405 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: learn from all that stuff, you know, you gotta. Maybe 406 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: I would tell them to like, uh, I don't know, No, 407 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 2: I don't think you got to make all those mistakes 408 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: and do all that stuff. 409 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I definitely think that. You know, 410 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,239 Speaker 1: I have three kids. I want them to make their 411 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: own mistakes. It just it's so when you could see 412 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: the mistake coming, it's very hard to not say you're 413 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: doing anything about it. But it's the right move for sure. 414 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: We all, you know, grow from those mistakes and hopefully 415 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: be better. 416 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's part of the adventure, you know 417 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, that's what you have to go through. 418 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: But you're also you're you're living in New York. You're 419 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: going to stick it out in New York. Is that 420 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: like the future. 421 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at I'm looking at having like one 422 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: moving towards the future where I just have one foot 423 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: in here, you know, maybe keeping a little pianotary or something. 424 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: But you know, if you want to raise a family, 425 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: don't do it here at all. It's it's child abuse 426 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. I don't know. 427 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: I liked it when the kids were little. It was 428 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: just like post COVID, everybody lost their minds and everything 429 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: fell apart. But if it like I always knew it 430 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: was left, but it wasn't. I don't know it was. 431 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: It was a nice place to raise kids when they 432 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: were little, is what I would Yeah my advice. 433 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I'd worried about them growing up 434 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: too fast once they reach middle school or high school, 435 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: everything that they're exposed to, and also not you know, 436 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: the connection with nature and the outdoors, you know, which 437 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: is something I'm absolutely yearning for, which is why I'm 438 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: looking to greener, more pastoral living more full time. But 439 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: you know, for yeah, it's you know this everything seems cold. 440 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: One thing that's just annoying me so much about New 441 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: York is just it's just the culture is dying. It's 442 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: just it's small businesses and the uniqueness is being suffocated 443 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: out and maybe it should be allowed to die, you know, 444 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: like yeah, I mean there's always. 445 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't mind if it was just a circle 446 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: of life, you know, small business closes, small business opens, whatever. 447 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: But like I felt, you know, COVID was like it 448 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: was those businesses were murdered. 449 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: Sure, you know, back, I can't support the local businesses 450 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 2: that I want to because it's just ungodly. It's like 451 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: the Christmas tree at my local forest was you know, 452 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars and it was sixty at 453 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: Whole Foods. Yeah, like, what are you going to do? 454 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 2: It's not you know, it's like just things like that, 455 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: and it's sad. At the same time, it's like, well, 456 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 2: they voted for it, and this is directions going and 457 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: it's just becoming like all the West, this kind of 458 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: just monoculture of corporate wow. You know. 459 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, you know, there's a there's a 460 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: Miami here that is trying to fight against that a 461 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, look, we have the tech bros 462 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: and everything moving in, but there's definitely a sense in 463 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: Miami of still independent culture. And it's the only red 464 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: city I believe, in the country, the only red major 465 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: city in the country. So yeah, you don't know, Chadwick, 466 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: Miami might be I guess you know what, this show 467 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: is very only talking people into moving to fly. 468 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: I totally I know I've heard you, and I was 469 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: actually just thinking about that because it's been misty and 470 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: gray and forty degrees the last days and that's my 471 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: favorite weather of all time. And I'm like, I couldn't 472 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: get this, Florida. I'm so happy looking outside the window 473 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 2: right now at the gray well. 474 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: I have loved this conversation. You are awesome. I love 475 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: to follow you and read all your work. I just 476 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: think you're so great. And here with your best tip 477 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 478 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: I think that what's okay? So hmmm. For me, it's 479 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: you know, I think getting a hobby is something that's 480 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: just super nerdy and you're into, Well, that's what it is. 481 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: What's your hobby? Oh? 482 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: Mine? Yeah, fish keeping. I have fish tanks and it's 483 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: so nerdy and I'm totally into it. It's such a 484 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: it's such like an amazing stress relief, but it's creative 485 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: and because it's like aquascaping and all this stuff, that's 486 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: one of my hobbies. Guardings my other hobby. 487 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: That there I thought fish keeping involved like catching fish 488 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: and keeping them. 489 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: No, no, being aquarus. Having fish tanks is one thing 490 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: I has become my hobby lately. That's like my big 491 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: stress reliever minority thing and gardening. But those both kind 492 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: of relate to like taking care of things and watching 493 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: things grow and you know, which I think is a 494 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 2: wonderful thing. I think that that probably connects to like 495 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: the bigger piece of advice of getting outside and just 496 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 2: appreciating nature and the stars and other people. Getting off 497 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: social media, because for sure you can put some moments 498 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: in your life where you're so trapped and it destroyed. 499 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: It really does rot your brain, it really does destroy 500 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: your outlook on everything. So I think that's the best advice, 501 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: is to get outside and appreciate the movement of the 502 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: world and nature. I love it. 503 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Check out his book, Tucker. 504 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: Check him out at Chadwickmore dot com. 505 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jedman, Thank you such a pleasure. 506 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 507 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.