Speaker 1: To on the move Darling Deep Speedways past Hell.
Speaker 2: From the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 2: This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield. Please gotta my havends
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? What is up? Dolphins? And welcome to
Speaker 2: the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host, Travis Wingfield
Speaker 2: and on today's show we go across enemy lines to
Speaker 2: hear from the Seattle Seahawks. John Boyle from Seahawks dot
Speaker 2: com joins me to break down the Week three matchup
Speaker 2: between the Dolphins and those Seattle Seahawks. Plus I have
Speaker 2: a rant to get to about Twitter discourse, social media
Speaker 2: discourse among the fans. Will also pick the Week three games.
Speaker 2: All of that from the Baptist Health Studios inside the
Speaker 2: Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 3: Maybe Jaffir.
Speaker 2: We kick it off today my guest from Seahawks dot com,
Speaker 2: John Boyle from three thousand miles away, about a six
Speaker 2: hour flight that I have made way too many times
Speaker 2: in my life. Joining us is John Boyle from Seahawks
Speaker 2: dot com. And John, I've told upwards of one hundred
Speaker 2: or so people in our buildings since the schedule came
Speaker 2: out that September in Seattle, that might as well be Heaven.
Speaker 2: Do you think the weather gods will make me right
Speaker 2: this Sunday for Seahawks and Dolphins.
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't even looked that far ahead, but
Speaker 1: you are right in general that September is pretty damn
Speaker 1: good out here. We don't get very hot, but we
Speaker 1: don't get very rainy either. It's just sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of days in the seventies and sunny and beautiful.
Speaker 1: So I, like I said, haven't checked yet, but I'm
Speaker 1: guessing you're going to be in for a good day.
Speaker 1: I will also add, I'm not going to really hear
Speaker 1: complaints about travel because nobody has to take more long
Speaker 1: place than us. We just went to Boston last week.
Speaker 1: We go to Atlanta, we go to Chicago. So at
Speaker 1: least you have some close games.
Speaker 3: We got none.
Speaker 2: That is, you know, I'm from the area. So it
Speaker 2: was always referred to as the Siberia of sports in
Speaker 2: terms of where Seattle's located in conjunction to the rest
Speaker 2: of every league, because there's no teams until Minnesota. When
Speaker 2: you go you know, west to east, and there's no
Speaker 2: teams until San Francisco. If he goes south, so there
Speaker 2: is it is isolated on an island out there.
Speaker 3: Man, we are met HALSOVEC used to call it South Alaskas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. That's pretty good. Well. I was once
Speaker 2: at a Seahawks and Dolphins game as a fan in
Speaker 2: the stands back in twenty sixteen, the famed Kenny Stills
Speaker 2: drop game, and that was a gorgeous, picturesque day. So
Speaker 2: hopefully for all the fans across Dolphins and Seahawks fandom
Speaker 2: get a perfect day on Sunday. But I want to
Speaker 2: ask you this because you mentioned going to Boston last week.
Speaker 2: I had a chance to watch most of that game
Speaker 2: live and getting through the film here slowly as we
Speaker 2: go throughout the week, I'm curious what the mood was
Speaker 2: like for that locker room after the game, maybe the
Speaker 2: team flight back home and in the building this week.
Speaker 2: I have to imagine pretty good feelings around that team
Speaker 2: after a two and oh start and after an overtime
Speaker 2: victory out East.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're throwing a really good obviously start.
Speaker 1: Two and oh is what you want to do. And
Speaker 1: I think part of it is they're feeling like they're
Speaker 1: two and oh despite a lot of stuff to clean up.
Speaker 1: So they're not playing great football necessarily in all phases.
Speaker 1: So I think they feel pretty fortunate, but also like
Speaker 1: they've shown kind of some resilience and some toughness.
Speaker 3: And the fact that they you know, they gave one.
Speaker 1: Hundred and eighty five rushing yards, they couldn't run the
Speaker 1: ball in Week one, They basically gave away a half
Speaker 1: on offense of just playing terrible against the Broncos in
Speaker 1: the whole first half. So they feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: if they if they clean up some of these issues,
Speaker 1: then they could be a lot better than than they are.
Speaker 3: And they're yeah, they're still sitting here at too, and.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that's the case across a lot
Speaker 2: of the NFL right now. Right you have some very
Speaker 2: good football teams that are zeroing to you have some
Speaker 2: very good football teams that are one and one, and
Speaker 2: some teams there are two and oh that I don't
Speaker 2: think will be in the playoff mix come December January,
Speaker 2: and so that's just kind of how it goes. But
Speaker 2: if you can stack wins this time of year while
Speaker 2: you figure out who you are as a team, it's
Speaker 2: obviously kind of the new trend of the league. And
Speaker 2: so for seat well, you know, I thought they were
Speaker 2: a team that had playoff contention written all over them
Speaker 2: and off to a great start in that in that mold.
Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and get to the match up
Speaker 2: here though, and start from a schematic standpoint, if you will,
Speaker 2: John and I want to start on offense, because you know,
Speaker 2: we we we'll get to Mike McDonald the defense, which
Speaker 2: we know very well down here, being an offshoot of
Speaker 2: that defense in Baltimore coach Anthony Weaver, and we saw
Speaker 2: Ryan Grubb bring the most electric vertical passing game to
Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest last season. But for the college team
Speaker 2: in the Huskies, which, by the way, go Kook's Apple
Speaker 2: Cup victory last weekend. Yeah, that was a big one
Speaker 2: for us. We uh. I hope they retired the Apple
Speaker 2: Cup forever and keep the trophy in Pullman. But I digress. Now, Now,
Speaker 2: coach Grubbs is a pro in Seattle, and I'm curious
Speaker 2: so far two games in obviously two victories, and Gino
Speaker 2: Smith looks like the real deal.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: How has that transition been for the Seahawks for coach Grubbs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been really good for Ryan Grubb.
Speaker 1: Now, it's you know, so far, at least, it has
Speaker 1: not looked quite as dynamic as the Washington offense we
Speaker 1: saw last year. And some of that is just I
Speaker 1: think he knew that, you know, not everything you do
Speaker 1: at college when you're you know, there's some big talent
Speaker 1: disparities week to week will translate is clean lead at
Speaker 1: the NFL. And you know, last year the offensive line
Speaker 1: at Washington was one of the best in the country.
Speaker 1: This year, the Seahawks they've had, you know, they've done
Speaker 1: some good things, but they've had some issues up front,
Speaker 1: and so they've had to you know, this last game,
Speaker 1: they relied a lot on some short passing. You know,
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba had twelve catches in for a while.
Speaker 1: He was kind of the extension of the running game
Speaker 1: for him because they cannot run the ball well, so
Speaker 1: it's a lot of short stuff. So, as you said,
Speaker 1: Geo Smith has looked great. I mean, he was thirty
Speaker 1: three for forty four with about five drops in that game,
Speaker 1: so it could have been darn near perfect game for him.
Speaker 3: So you know, a lot to like so far.
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, they pretty much just did everything
Speaker 1: wrong for a half against Denver. But in the sixth
Speaker 1: quarters sense, I've seen a lot of encouraging stuff and
Speaker 1: again some things that need to get better.
Speaker 2: How do you feel to kind of follow up there,
Speaker 2: how do you feel like this offense has benefited Genail?
Speaker 2: Because you know, he was a guy that when he
Speaker 2: got to Seattle, it was like they really going to
Speaker 2: start Geno Smith because he didn't have you know, the
Speaker 2: pelts in the wall at that point of his career.
Speaker 2: And Pete was so Pete Carroll of course, was so
Speaker 2: gung ho that this guy can play football. Man, We're
Speaker 2: seeing that play out like he's one of my favorite
Speaker 2: quarterbacks to watch each week on tape. How do you
Speaker 2: feel like this offense maybe and if it doesn't, you
Speaker 2: can tell me too. How do you think this offense
Speaker 2: better benefits him than what he was playing in previously?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was pretty good in the last one,
Speaker 1: and we need to kind of still see this one
Speaker 1: for a little bit longer. But you know, just going
Speaker 1: off what he said, going back to you know, offseason workouts,
Speaker 1: he liked the way that you know, he said, this
Speaker 1: is a drup back offense and I'm a drop back passer,
Speaker 1: and the fact that you know again is the protection
Speaker 1: and improves hopefully and they start doing things a little cleaner,
Speaker 1: maybe get the run game to complement the passing game.
Speaker 1: When they do start getting more of those vertical passing games,
Speaker 1: some of the deep shots. That's one of the things
Speaker 1: he does best. He is one of the most accurate
Speaker 1: downfield throwers in the NFL, and he's got great weapons
Speaker 1: to go to, so I think that will suit him
Speaker 1: a lot as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, he's a.
Speaker 1: Guy that, as you said, maybe a lot of people
Speaker 1: going back twenty twenty two didn't think the highest of
Speaker 1: but he's shown it for a couple of years now
Speaker 1: and he's off too good start this year.
Speaker 3: I think he could thrive in this offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't right back right. He loses confidence and
Speaker 2: he should be playing with that confidence because he's, like
Speaker 2: I said, a lot of fun to watch. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, in football, it seems like fans especially can
Speaker 2: kind of make their mind up on a guy. And
Speaker 2: I urge you if you had major mind up on
Speaker 2: you know, Gino Smith with the Jets, come back and
Speaker 2: watch him with the Seahawks, because he is a damn
Speaker 2: good football player. You mentioned the run game there in
Speaker 2: that previous answer, and I wanted to kind of talk
Speaker 2: about that because, you know, again John grew up in
Speaker 2: the Seattle area. You know, I was. I was there
Speaker 2: for the run of the Legion of Boom and the
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson era, all that stuff, all the championships and
Speaker 2: you know, twelve wins seasons and just dominant football from
Speaker 2: that team for the better part of a decade.
Speaker 3: And you kind of.
Speaker 2: Got to use to how that Seahawks team operated, right
Speaker 2: that cover three defense, strong, running game, win the game
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter with some crazy finishes that made
Speaker 2: primetime football so much fun all those times. But I'm
Speaker 2: curious how this run game looks in the post Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll era because for a long time, like I said,
Speaker 2: it was three yards in a cloud dust for the
Speaker 2: most part. What does it look like now under Ryan
Speaker 2: Grubb with a run game.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd say it looks inconsistent right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, we again the first I've kind of thrown
Speaker 1: out that first half of the demo game because it
Speaker 1: was just everything was so bad.
Speaker 3: But then second half of that game they really got rolling.
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker rushed for I think eighty four of his
Speaker 1: one hundred and three yards in the second half of
Speaker 1: that game. Looked, you know, they're getting some good blocking
Speaker 1: teams going. He was looking explosive and he thought, all right,
Speaker 1: this is going to be what they can do. Then
Speaker 1: he gets hurt late in the game. This is the
Speaker 1: game last week, and you know it's not all in
Speaker 1: zach Scharbada. He didn't have a lot of room to run.
Speaker 1: But I think just a combination of not having a
Speaker 1: Walker and not blocking it up as well as they wanted,
Speaker 1: they really had to just throw it around like crazy.
Speaker 1: So I mean, the good news is they showed they
Speaker 1: can do that. You know, you like them versatil in
Speaker 1: your offense. You can attack teams different ways. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, I don't know yet. We'll hear from
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald on Wednesday. I don't know yet about Kenneth
Speaker 1: Walker's availability, but getting him back would obviously that little
Speaker 1: a lot. But yeah, they want to they want to
Speaker 1: be balanced and around the ball and be able to
Speaker 1: be a physical running team, but they've really only done
Speaker 1: it for about a half of two games so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotcha. I was actually going to ask you
Speaker 2: because we're taping this on Tuesday for the fans listening.
Speaker 2: It'll come out on Wednesday. And I was curious if
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker was going to be available because I saw
Speaker 2: that they said he might miss multiple weeks. But it
Speaker 2: sounds like it's up in the air for this week still,
Speaker 2: even though we're not to the injury report yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so one thing we're finding out covering this team,
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald is going to give as little inf injury
Speaker 1: information as he can within the rules of the league.
Speaker 1: He actually he kind of had some fun with this
Speaker 1: Friday press conference joking about that. His line was, look,
Speaker 1: I want to help you guys, I just want to
Speaker 1: help our team more so. I don't think we'll find
Speaker 1: out a lot Wednesday, other than whether he practiced or
Speaker 1: not when they put the injury report out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, coming out of the game when he got
Speaker 1: injured in Week one, you know, Kennth Walker himself said
Speaker 1: he felt fine. They didn't make it sound too serious,
Speaker 1: but you know, as anyone who's a sports fan, and
Speaker 1: maybe especially a baseball fan knows, oblique injuries can be
Speaker 1: very tricky, so they're being careful of John Schneider did
Speaker 1: talk on his game day radio show and said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's nothing serious, but they're just being very cautious. So
Speaker 1: you know, I would have a hunch Ranga, no much
Speaker 1: until Friday, maybe even until the inactives on Sunday, but
Speaker 1: it definitely doesn't sound like a long term thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to hear. Yeah, those Friday Friday press
Speaker 2: conferences are the best, arn't thay. That's when we usually
Speaker 2: hear about coach McDaniel's time with his daughter and things
Speaker 2: that don't have to do with football on those Friday
Speaker 2: press conferences. So those those are a special place to
Speaker 2: be for the few beat riders that make it out
Speaker 2: for those last one here offensively, John again, watching the tape,
Speaker 2: Gino looks great, but you mentioned it as well, he's
Speaker 2: been in some duress in terms of the pass rush
Speaker 2: of the opposition and correct me if I'm wrong here,
Speaker 2: but it seems like a lot of that is coming
Speaker 2: from the perimeter. And you know, again as a former
Speaker 2: coup Go Koog's, Charles Cross and Abe Lucas were so
Speaker 2: good as rookies and the injuries last year some up
Speaker 2: and down play. Where do you think we are on
Speaker 2: that offensive line going into this week?
Speaker 1: Pre matchup Yeah, Charles Cross has been honestly one of
Speaker 1: the best players on that offense through two weeks. He's
Speaker 1: playing great, He's coming off a great camp, but they're
Speaker 1: missing Lucas now the guy is you mentioned, the former
Speaker 1: Cook started his whole rookie season deltha knee injury last
Speaker 1: year that led to surgery in the offseason.
Speaker 3: He's still working his way back from that on the
Speaker 3: pup list.
Speaker 1: So he's out at least two more games, where we
Speaker 1: don't really know for sure his prognosis beyond that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and then George started the season to place him, he
Speaker 1: got hurt, missed the next game, so we don't know yet.
Speaker 3: His availability either.
Speaker 1: So they really played last week on their third option
Speaker 1: at right tackle, Stone foreside Pitt, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was solid. But you know, when you're down to your
Speaker 1: third option is not necessarily going to look like you want.
Speaker 1: So they have you know, i'd say if they're healthy
Speaker 1: at tackle, that's probably the strength of their line. The
Speaker 1: interior has been a little less steady, and you know,
Speaker 1: they they changed out all three of their starting guys
Speaker 1: in the interior line and the off season they're kind
Speaker 1: of still competing at right guard as they go, but
Speaker 1: has been mostly Anthony Bradford, a second year guy who
Speaker 1: took over as a starter due to injury.
Speaker 3: Last year.
Speaker 1: They brought in Cotter Williams center, who they expect to be,
Speaker 1: you know, an upgrade.
Speaker 3: He's been a really good player everywhere he's been.
Speaker 1: Miami fans know about him, but he's you know, coming
Speaker 1: off the injury and you know he's healthy and he's playing.
Speaker 3: But I gotta think he's.
Speaker 1: Going to get better as he gets more up to
Speaker 1: speed in the offense and just kind of catches up
Speaker 1: physically after missing most of training camp. And then you know,
Speaker 1: the left guard is the veteran Lake and Tomlinson who
Speaker 1: they signed this year. So I think they're confident this
Speaker 1: line will get better, but it's just not really where
Speaker 1: they want to be at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be a fun matchup on Sunday with
Speaker 2: the Dolphins take on that Seahawks offense. I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the Seahawks defense versus the Dolphins offense next
Speaker 2: here with John Boyle from Seahawks dot Com. Coming up
Speaker 2: next the Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought
Speaker 2: to you by Auto Nation. We did the Seahawks offense,
Speaker 2: now moving on to the Seahawks defense with my guest today,
Speaker 2: John Boyle from Seahawks dot Com, and I let us
Speaker 2: into the scheme question earlier, John, I'll do the exact
Speaker 2: same thing here on defense. And again we know a
Speaker 2: lot about that Ravens influence here with Anthony Weaver. But
Speaker 2: what have been the early returns with Mike McDonald's scheme
Speaker 2: over there in Seattle, which is, you know, such a
Speaker 2: departure from what Pete Carroll used to do up there
Speaker 2: in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's earlier returns are mostly very positive.
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier that the run defense struggled against New England, who's.
Speaker 3: Run the ball very well. Their first two games.
Speaker 1: They get one hundred and eighty five on the ground,
Speaker 1: quite a bit of that after contact, which first game
Speaker 1: they tackled really well. They're just all over every you know,
Speaker 1: all the Denver short passes and they just didn't play
Speaker 1: quite as clean. So but the passing defense, you know,
Speaker 1: again they haven't been tested like what they'll see against Miami.
Speaker 1: But the passing defense has been phenomenal the first two games.
Speaker 1: We've really not given up much of anything other than
Speaker 1: some checkdown stuff. I think cornerback might be, you know,
Speaker 1: arguably the best position on that team or one of
Speaker 1: in terms of depth and talent. They really like what
Speaker 1: they have going on the back end in general safety
Speaker 1: as well. So pass rush has been very disruptive, but
Speaker 1: maybe not had quite the sack production they want. I mean,
Speaker 1: I still think they have. I think it's five sacks
Speaker 1: through two games something like that. But the pressure rates
Speaker 1: and all that has been very good. So, you know,
Speaker 1: like you'd expect from McDonald defense, the way they mix
Speaker 1: up all the pressures they bring, so a lot to like.
Speaker 1: The main thing right now is, you know, can they
Speaker 1: stop the run a lot better than they did? Again, Sue,
Speaker 1: you're not going to win a lot of games where
Speaker 1: you're out rushed by one hundred and forty yards like
Speaker 1: they were last week.
Speaker 2: And you have to imagine the Dolphins could be heavy
Speaker 2: in the run game with Sclar Thompson at quarterback there,
Speaker 2: so exactly, it definitely tracks, but maybe that gives the
Speaker 2: Seahawks a chance to kind of load up for it
Speaker 2: more on the back end. On the front end, but
Speaker 2: you also have Tyreek Hill on Jill and Waddle, so
Speaker 2: sometimes you got to pick your poison. Miss Dolphins offense,
Speaker 2: regardless of who's a quarterback. You mentioned, they're the pressure
Speaker 2: and they're getting home. The update on Chennanewosu, who's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite under the radar players in the entire
Speaker 2: National Football League. Always loved his game going back to USC,
Speaker 2: is he going to be available and if he's not,
Speaker 2: how have they kind of mitigated his absence off the edge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, you'll kind of go back like we were
Speaker 1: talking about as kind of walker or you know, we're
Speaker 1: not getting a lot of injury and foe beyond what
Speaker 1: they have to arrivee. So we'll see Wednesday whether he practices.
Speaker 1: So far, he's missed two games. For the fans who
Speaker 1: don't know, he injured his knees, I think I can'memer
Speaker 1: if we were told what specifically was, but you know,
Speaker 1: knee sprain in the final preseason game was a victim
Speaker 1: of an unfortunate chop blob that got flagged in the preseason,
Speaker 1: which you don't love to see. But anyway, he they said,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't put him on the air because
Speaker 1: they expected him to not be out that four game stretch,
Speaker 1: So you'd think hopefully he's getting close. But again we'll
Speaker 1: have to wait and see on the injury port when
Speaker 1: that comes to us. But yeah, he's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he might have been their best defensive player in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two when he first got here, and then he
Speaker 1: tore his pack midway through last year, so he missed
Speaker 1: half a season. The you know, the good news, they'd
Speaker 1: feel deeper at that edge rush spot than they have
Speaker 1: in the past, both in terms of some guys they've added,
Speaker 1: but also a big part of that's been you know,
Speaker 1: boy merging boy and mafees continued emergence. He had nine
Speaker 1: sacks last year and he's got two in his first
Speaker 1: two games this year. And then Derek Hall, he's the
Speaker 1: guy they drafted in the second round last year, had
Speaker 1: kind of a quiet year. He played a decent amount
Speaker 1: on special teams and was part of the rotation, but
Speaker 1: didn't really show up that much. And he had just
Speaker 1: a great camp and he's been, you know, playing a
Speaker 1: lot of these first two games and very involved.
Speaker 3: So you know, they've had some depth there. They like
Speaker 3: what they have there. And then you know, Mafey's been
Speaker 3: big party.
Speaker 1: He's played a ton, He's been on the field for
Speaker 1: a ton of snaps, which you would think would come
Speaker 1: down win China gets back, but he's really carried the
Speaker 1: load there.
Speaker 3: And then they also kicked Draymond Jones outside more.
Speaker 1: He was a guy that was a little bit more
Speaker 1: of an interior guy last year, so he's kind of
Speaker 1: helped bridge that gap as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can borrow from that interior. When you have
Speaker 2: Learnd Williams and Byron Murphy and Jaron Reid, all these
Speaker 2: guys that just kick asid inside. It's a fun group
Speaker 2: to watch. And you know, at the Dolphins do such
Speaker 2: a good job of kind of making it tough on
Speaker 2: edges with how they scheme and run a lot of
Speaker 2: eye candy in that backfield, so it makes for a
Speaker 2: fun matchup. I want to conclude though here with my
Speaker 2: favorite matchup on the entire field, which again, you know,
Speaker 2: you'd love to see the QB one available for it
Speaker 2: to make the most of it. But you know, Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill and Gillen Waddle against you know, Devon Witherspoon, Reek
Speaker 2: Woollen and Trey Brown, it's one of the best cornerback
Speaker 2: trios in the NFL. Just curious your perspective looking at
Speaker 2: that from the Eahawks perspective, I should say how they
Speaker 2: how do they handle Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'll be really curse to what you
Speaker 1: can do because it's not a situation and the kind
Speaker 1: of have this with the receivers of Okay, you want
Speaker 1: to try to shut down Terry Kill or DK Metcalf whatever,
Speaker 1: Well they've got other weapons. Go back to the opener
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. The DK Metcalf has a quiet game
Speaker 1: because they've got pat Certaina on them. So Tyler Lockett
Speaker 1: has a big game. So I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with this Dolphins offense. If you
Speaker 1: focus too much on one guy, you might get in
Speaker 1: trouble with another one. So I would guess, again, you know,
Speaker 1: see what they do, but I would guess it's less
Speaker 1: like trying to get certain matchups and traveling cornerbacks with
Speaker 1: Kays versus more just doing the stuff they trust.
Speaker 3: Now, I will say, I want to get you know,
Speaker 3: you get your coach.
Speaker 1: I'll get my coach, and I want to make sure
Speaker 1: we have a Tyreek Hill on Riek Woland just go
Speaker 1: route to just see those two sprinting in the open field.
Speaker 1: I want to see the I want to see the
Speaker 1: track meet between those two because those are legitimately probably
Speaker 1: two of the very fastest guys in the NFL. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's quarterback group has just been really fun
Speaker 1: to watch so far. Reek one and did not have
Speaker 1: the best second season. He came into the aar injured,
Speaker 1: got banged up in the air, and played through a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, but just it was kind of a
Speaker 1: drop off from his standout rookie year, and he looks
Speaker 1: like he's all the way back to that rookie season
Speaker 1: for him, if not better. And then Devin Witherspoon has
Speaker 1: been you know, he might already be the best player
Speaker 1: on that team honestly, just pure talent wise, and he's
Speaker 1: you know, just starting his second year. So those two
Speaker 1: guys especially are just a ton of fun. And then
Speaker 1: Trey Brown's just kind of that like huge chip on
Speaker 1: his shoulder competitor. Maybe not quite the physical talents of
Speaker 1: those other two, but really good player and really feisty guys.
Speaker 1: So it's a fun group and I'm really look forward
Speaker 1: to watching those guys battle without this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Witherspoon was one of those guys where when you
Speaker 2: watched his college tape, it was like there's no way,
Speaker 2: he's not going to be a great NFL player. He
Speaker 2: just was so good and so pure and so obviously
Speaker 2: going to translate to the next level. And for all
Speaker 2: the parents out there listening, if you want your kid
Speaker 2: to run a four to three or sub four three,
Speaker 2: I guess just named them reek because that's what it
Speaker 2: sounds like we have here with with Ty Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: They both go by w Reek. There. So good stuff there.
Speaker 2: Last question for you, John the Seahawks I ask all
Speaker 2: the big guests on the show the same question. The
Speaker 2: Seahawks win this game if and then you fill in
Speaker 2: the blank.
Speaker 3: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: I don't dove into the matchup as much as I should,
Speaker 1: but I would say, you know, sticking with that conversation
Speaker 1: we had, if they just limit the big plays in
Speaker 1: the passing game, you know, I don't think you can
Speaker 1: completely neutralize the weapons of Miami has, but don't.
Speaker 3: Let them, you know, tords, you you get the big plays.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, we'll going back to the un game conversation. I
Speaker 1: think they need to be better on both sides of
Speaker 1: the running game. But what really I think scares everyone
Speaker 1: when they play Miami and should be true of this one,
Speaker 1: is you just don't want to start letting teams.
Speaker 3: Be over the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes perfect sense. Senior reporter at Seahawks dot Com
Speaker 2: at John P. Boyle on Twitter. Hey John, those Mariners
Speaker 2: I checked out about three weeks ago. My Mariners. Are
Speaker 2: they going to mess around and sneak into the playoffs?
Speaker 2: They're two games out today.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm so scarred by the Marriers. I'm afraid.
Speaker 3: I'm too afraid to give up.
Speaker 1: Every time they they start to you know, they get
Speaker 1: hot and then my wife gives me hard time back.
Speaker 3: She's like, they're just gonna disappoint you, and you know
Speaker 3: more than that. She's right. So we'll see. But yeah,
Speaker 3: they've they made it interesting. So a lot point and
Speaker 3: see what happens.
Speaker 2: Spoken like a Truemanyers fan, John, you're the best man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Thank you, appreciate it, and away he goes.
Speaker 2: Great stuff there from mister Boyle talking about Seahawks and Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Four oh five Sunday afternoon from lumen Field. It used
Speaker 2: to be Century Link, the Link, the Clink, whatever they
Speaker 2: called it. It is now lumen Field. I think it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be a little bit rainy up there. On
Speaker 2: Sunday as it is wont to be in. I guess
Speaker 2: it's officially fall as of that game. Anyway, let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and do something here real quick before I take
Speaker 2: my last break, and we do the Week three picks
Speaker 2: on the other side of the show here. And it
Speaker 2: comes back to fan discourse on Twitter, and for instance,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to start with a different play,
Speaker 2: a couple of different plays, because I saw some discourse
Speaker 2: over the Rome A dounees a catch that was not
Speaker 2: in the end zone from Caleb Williams and complaining about
Speaker 2: Rome's game being contested catches and he has the greatest
Speaker 2: hands in the world, and I just it just couldn't
Speaker 2: have been more misguided than what it was. Like. It
Speaker 2: was a bad ball. He was being tackled from the front,
Speaker 2: The route was not to go over the back shoulder.
Speaker 2: It was a slant inside like everything about that play
Speaker 2: was disjointed, and fans are saying that because it was
Speaker 2: a high football for a go get it receiver, he
Speaker 2: should have made the catch way off. Completely wrong. I
Speaker 2: saw Bengals fans and this is a Homer thing. I
Speaker 2: get this calling the DPI on them against the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: The worst DPI call in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 2: It was the most obvious DPI call in the history
Speaker 2: of the NFL, the one that really got me though.
Speaker 2: And this kid was probably fifteen years old whatever you know,
Speaker 2: who cares, But it was Bryce young throwing a ball
Speaker 2: that got batted down in traffic, and he was trying
Speaker 2: to throw to a receiver who was outside of the
Speaker 2: hook linebacker and was running the curl off of that
Speaker 2: hook linebacker in behind him in front of a safety.
Speaker 2: So he tries to throw this ball with anticipation in
Speaker 2: the middle of the field between these two Panthers defenders
Speaker 2: and the fan that's breaking this down to saying he's
Speaker 2: not even on the other side of the defender yet.
Speaker 2: You can't even see him. He hasn't even gotten into
Speaker 2: his break yet. Like that is elite quarterback play when
Speaker 2: you can do that successfully. We talk about on the
Speaker 2: show all the time. Anticipation and seeing the window before
Speaker 2: it's there is how you play the position. So I
Speaker 2: just keep seeing all this discourse where it's like you
Speaker 2: have no idea what you're talking about, none whatsoever. But
Speaker 2: here we are making videos and I go back to
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. I'm gonna lose some of you here, but
Speaker 2: stay with me. These screenshots of offensive line play, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: I saw the screenshot of the pick six right, that's
Speaker 2: your quarterback that made the mistake there. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: you got you, guys got me. The people doing this
Speaker 2: have got me. Disparaging Tua to prop up the offensive
Speaker 2: line play like, look at what you did to me?
Speaker 3: What if they don'e do? What did they do that?
Speaker 2: On that play, Tua has room to step up into
Speaker 2: the pocket and take a check down. And also on
Speaker 2: third and long, hey, just eat the sack man. You
Speaker 2: don't have to throw it to the to the Buffalo
Speaker 2: defense to avoid a sack. That was his fault. That
Speaker 2: was his bad play. I don't know. It seems like
Speaker 2: confirmation bias to me, is what. It seems like we
Speaker 2: have this concept of the offensive line is not good enough,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna take one screenshot from an entire game
Speaker 2: and make that fit our narrative. I keep seeing the
Speaker 2: three yards per carry offensive line guru a guy that
Speaker 2: coaches offensive line, Eric Smith, and he's providing these breakdowns
Speaker 2: and we have fans telling him he's wrong. You know
Speaker 2: you're wrong, and using one of two things to justify
Speaker 2: it their own eyes. And then when he asks the fan,
Speaker 2: please show me specific examples, which is how I always
Speaker 2: approach this. If somebody disagrees with my breakdown, I say
Speaker 2: show me because I know you haven't in the homework
Speaker 2: and I have, and they'll tell him if you can't
Speaker 2: see it, then you're just blind. Or the second one,
Speaker 2: my favorite over that even the PFF grades. You know,
Speaker 2: I saw a tweet that listed out PFF grades and
Speaker 2: said these are facts, when PFF's literal tagline in these
Speaker 2: grades are that they are subjective. And by the way,
Speaker 2: just a quick aside on PFF, who has hemorrhaged talent
Speaker 2: in the last couple of months if you haven't noticed.
Speaker 2: The only enterprise they care about is their pro package
Speaker 2: or whatever it's called, because the NFL teams have access
Speaker 2: to that, and it's way greater than the commercial product
Speaker 2: that they offer to you, to me, the fans, they're
Speaker 2: consumer facing products. They don't care about those. That's not
Speaker 2: where they make their money. They are in bed with
Speaker 2: the National Football League giving way more high level content
Speaker 2: than what that provides for film study, for analytics, for
Speaker 2: all that stuff. That's why they have you know their
Speaker 2: lowest level employees doing these grades. I promise you those
Speaker 2: grades are not at all ref across NFL offensive line rooms.
Speaker 2: They just cannot be because you're not in those rooms.
Speaker 2: You don't know the assignments. It's not possible. And that's
Speaker 2: why there's a huge disconnect on what pff O line
Speaker 2: grades are. Like O line is separate than there are
Speaker 2: other grades which are also very subjective and have no
Speaker 2: real actual merit attached to them. The offensive line is
Speaker 2: by far the trickiest one to do, so I just
Speaker 2: get on Twitter now and I wind up shutting the
Speaker 2: app off. Aside from all the the election season stuff
Speaker 2: that is enough to make you want to never look
Speaker 2: at your phone again. But it's Dolphins content that's making
Speaker 2: me be like, I can't do this anymore. It's making
Speaker 2: me question my own profession and working in the space
Speaker 2: where I'm trying to communicate these things to a world
Speaker 2: of now, just all content creators? Is that what it is? Like?
Speaker 2: Is it a desire for everyone to have content creation
Speaker 2: or to put takes on Twitter for likes? And I
Speaker 2: just don't get it, Like, we don't all have to
Speaker 2: have a take on every little thing, like I'm a
Speaker 2: I'm a very I'm a very obviously passionate, analytical Dolphins
Speaker 2: fan who loves the intricacies of the why and built
Speaker 2: a career out of it. I'm a huge Manners fan.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Washington State Cougar's fan. I love the
Speaker 2: Miami Heat. I have my teams. Those other teams, I
Speaker 2: don't tweet about them. I don't ask for jobs. I
Speaker 2: don't break things down. I don't even know who the
Speaker 2: koug starting offensive line was in the game against the
Speaker 2: Huskies and the Apple Cup because it's a casual thing
Speaker 2: I do for fun, so I'm not gonna get on
Speaker 2: there and start complaining about I don't even know what
Speaker 2: system they run. To be quite honest with you guys,
Speaker 2: ever since Cam war left, I don't know the offense.
Speaker 2: I just watched the games and have fun like I
Speaker 2: don't care, like this is my job. I literally attend
Speaker 2: meetings and coaching clinics and learn the game to know
Speaker 2: how to watch film, and then I do watch the
Speaker 2: film for hours upon hours every single week. And even
Speaker 2: still I have to admit to blind spots all the
Speaker 2: time because I don't know everything that I'm doing. When
Speaker 2: it comes to watching film that damn screenshot on the
Speaker 2: two of Pick six man, go back and screenshot all
Speaker 2: the perfect pockets they had because they were there in
Speaker 2: the first half of the game. Go back and screenshot
Speaker 2: the massive lanes for Devon A. Channon because they were
Speaker 2: there in the first half of that game. I bet
Speaker 2: we don't do that. You know, I saw them. I
Speaker 2: saw those things play out because I watched the film
Speaker 2: multiple times. Did those people watch the film and get
Speaker 2: those screenshots of the positive plays or are we just
Speaker 2: acting upon confirmation bias? Hell, I did three different podcasts
Speaker 2: this off season and explain this stuff a person who
Speaker 2: was in the building who knows the philosophies of the offense,
Speaker 2: and after having me on, I still see the exact
Speaker 2: same complaints with no understanding of what I taught. It
Speaker 2: boggles my mind. No offense to those podcasts, but same
Speaker 2: complaints despite the issues not really being there. I'm baffled,
Speaker 2: and let me nip this in the butter real quick,
Speaker 2: because I know it's gonna come back to this. It
Speaker 2: always does, and yeah, it really bothers me, but it
Speaker 2: is what it is. I know there's a certain section
Speaker 2: of the fan base that immediately disregards my comments because
Speaker 2: of my position. He's Dolphins propaganda. He can't say anything negative. Whatever.
Speaker 2: We will never get those people to listen to our content.
Speaker 2: They want truth tellers, even if that truth teller took
Speaker 2: four years to learn what a four to three verses
Speaker 2: of three four, or what the RPO looks like, or
Speaker 2: has no idea what split flow is or five to
Speaker 2: zero protection or a bump is in motion in covering
Speaker 2: motion and defense. They want truth so long as the
Speaker 2: confirmers are negative feelings, right, We're never gonna ge those folks.
Speaker 2: They're not listening to this podcast right now. You want negativity.
Speaker 2: We have plenty of things that we have sucked at
Speaker 2: through two games, bad football almost across the board. But
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now, putting everything on the
Speaker 2: offensive line is just confirmation bias. It hasn't even been
Speaker 2: that bad that Compare uson to the Bears offensive line
Speaker 2: and Sunday Night Football, the PFF grades. The Texans allowed
Speaker 2: more pressures and the Bears did in that game, and
Speaker 2: everyone loves their offense and their quarterback. The Saints had
Speaker 2: three true drop back passes in a game. They scored
Speaker 2: forty four points against the Dallas. This is how the
Speaker 2: NFL works. Now, Okay, this is why I can't get
Speaker 2: on Twitter. This is what I want to say on Twitter.
Speaker 2: But here are This is my show, so I can
Speaker 2: do it. And it enrages me to see these takes
Speaker 2: just because they come from a completely uninformed place. That's
Speaker 2: my only thing.
Speaker 3: I'm on tethered at my rage.
Speaker 2: No snow bounds, Learn, don't, don't fire off takes. Learn
Speaker 2: and then fire off takes.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Talk about your receivers struggling to get off the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, talk about their limited snap counts and calling
Speaker 2: upon fourth and fifth receivers and critical moments. Talk about
Speaker 2: the tight end position doing nothing in the first game
Speaker 2: of the season, talk about the quarterback playing like six
Speaker 2: bad corps of football through you know, the first two games.
Speaker 2: There's a million things wrong with this team right now.
Speaker 2: And to put it all on the offensive line, you
Speaker 2: just don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 2: want to make that as gentle as I can, but
Speaker 2: that's the truth. And then to say, oh, Chris Greer
Speaker 2: refuses to fix the offensive line for the twenty fifth time,
Speaker 2: Look at where my McDaniel came from. Look at how
Speaker 2: those lines were constructed across this entire offensive system. It
Speaker 2: ain't Chris Greer who puts the offensive line together, folks. Okay,
Speaker 2: and again, this system, the most successful one in the
Speaker 2: NFL right now, is never, ever, ever, ever going to
Speaker 2: prioritize guard play. Look at the Panthers. They fix their
Speaker 2: offensive line right There's a first round draft pick at
Speaker 2: left tackle, there's a second round draft pick at center.
Speaker 2: And they signed a right guard for twenty million bucks
Speaker 2: and a left guard for thirteen million bucks. How's it
Speaker 2: working out for them? They game score damn point. My goodness,
Speaker 2: it drives me nuts. I know it won't stop, but
Speaker 2: this is my one platform where I can get it
Speaker 2: off my chest. So there you go. Let's take our
Speaker 2: last break on the show. Right there, come back on
Speaker 2: the other side and pick the week three games across
Speaker 2: the National Football League. That's next Draft Time podcast, your
Speaker 2: host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. Another
Speaker 2: ten and six week crazy week across the National Football League.
Speaker 3: Hunh.
Speaker 2: We had the Cowboys lost to the Saints and blowout fashion.
Speaker 2: The Bucks beat the lines at home or in Detroit,
Speaker 2: I should say, Malik Willis threw like eight passes and
Speaker 2: won a game against the Colts. Weird Weird week Man
Speaker 2: Baltimore loss of the Raiders the Eagles on Monday Night.
Speaker 2: Eat your heart out, Vic Fangio. Let's go into week
Speaker 2: number three here, and we usually do the picks on Friday,
Speaker 2: but I the Great Kevin Harlan joins us on Friday,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna have him on the show along with
Speaker 2: Kyle Krabs. So we're gonna pick the games right now,
Speaker 2: and which means we're gonna spoil the pick for the
Speaker 2: Dolphins game on Sunday. What did he do? It starts
Speaker 2: on Thursday night. Cue the music. The Jets over the Patriots.
Speaker 2: I think the Patriots could win this game. Overtime loss.
Speaker 2: Going on the road on Thursday is going to be
Speaker 2: a tough turnaround for that team, and I don't think
Speaker 2: they're very good. But I also don't think the Jets
Speaker 2: are very good, so I expect it to be a
Speaker 2: close game. But the Jets, I think are better, so
Speaker 2: they will get that win at home. Give me the
Speaker 2: Browns over the Giants. I will not pick the Giants
Speaker 2: until they win a game this year. I'm taking the
Speaker 2: Eagles over the Saints. I just am not buying into
Speaker 2: the Saints right now. Might bite me in the butt
Speaker 2: here soon, but a Clint Kubiak offense looks beautiful early
Speaker 2: in the season. We'll see how they adapt when defense
Speaker 2: is adapt to that offense. I think the Eagles will
Speaker 2: have their number after a tough loss on Monday Night.
Speaker 2: Give me the Texans over the Vikings. Very close on
Speaker 2: this one. We saw Brian Flores shut down a you
Speaker 2: know Shanahan offense, the Shanahan offense in week number two.
Speaker 2: You can you do it back to back weeks against
Speaker 2: Bobby Slowick, against a better quarterback than c. J.
Speaker 3: Stroud.
Speaker 2: We shall see. I'll take the Bucks over the Broncos.
Speaker 2: The Broncos are awful, right, aren't they just terrible? Now?
Speaker 2: The Bucks are fine, They're a good team, but they're
Speaker 2: gonna get that win over the Broncos at home. The
Speaker 2: Titans over the Packers. I think the Titans are gonna
Speaker 2: get a win eventually. Eventually, Will Lewis will not make
Speaker 2: a game changing boneheaded play. I think it happens this
Speaker 2: week without Jordan Love, I imagine for the Packers. Give me
Speaker 2: the Colts over the Bears. Hey, who knew that? Running
Speaker 2: around backwards as a quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 2: He can get better, but it's not gonna work up here,
Speaker 2: Big Doug, you gotta get better at that. Give me
Speaker 2: the Colts over the Bears. The Chargers over the Steelers.
Speaker 2: I hate this because these teams are so completely mediocrely mundane.
Speaker 2: At two to zero, someone's going to be three to
Speaker 2: oh and they're not even good teams. If drives me crazy,
Speaker 2: but we'll get there. Teams always start off hot and
Speaker 2: they fade late in the season. Both the teams will
Speaker 2: be those teams. Chargers over the Steelers, Seahawks over the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: I will not pick Miami if two is not playing,
Speaker 2: just going to be how it is. The Panthers over
Speaker 2: the Raiders. I think the change to Andy Dalton will
Speaker 2: give that offense some life at least for one game.
Speaker 2: And the Raiders riding the high off the win over
Speaker 2: the Ravens, we'll dip back down and the Panthers get
Speaker 2: an upset win there. Give me the Niners over the Rams.
Speaker 2: My goodness, has anybody been decimated more than the Rams
Speaker 2: so far this season? I'll take the Lines to bounce
Speaker 2: back over the Cardinals. Give me the Ravens big over
Speaker 2: the Cowboys to get their first win of the year.
Speaker 2: I'll take the Chiefs over the Falcons. What a miracle
Speaker 2: win for the Falcons on Monday Night. But you can
Speaker 2: do that. It's the Chiefs, no chance, Buffalo over Jacksonville
Speaker 2: on Monday Night football, and the Bengals over the Commanders
Speaker 2: also on Monday Night. So there you go. Tomorrow the
Speaker 2: in depth Preview podcast, I'll tell you why I believe
Speaker 2: the Seahawks will beat the Dolphins on Sunday. On Friday,
Speaker 2: we'll have Kevin Harlan and the Great Kyle Krabs. Plenty
Speaker 2: to come your way here, including a brand new episode
Speaker 2: of Dolphins HQ on Thursday with some breakdowns. Really big
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