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Speaker 1: me an opportunity to kind of touch on our next thing,
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, black history. I've been able to
Speaker 1: catch up and watch that whole series around the Black
Speaker 1: Church on PBS, you know. So it's available on demand,
Speaker 1: and it's fantastic. Guy like four parts, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's really well done and it's like the history of
Speaker 1: the Black Church and it's fantastic. Okay, what about you,
Speaker 1: Mrs Hogan, what have you been up to? Child? Just
Speaker 1: working as usual? Work work, work, work, work, work, work,
Speaker 1: work work. After your whole last week's conversation about black history,
Speaker 1: and then you brought up Billy Holiday. I watched Billie
Speaker 1: Holiday's new show on Hulu, directed by Lee Dan. You're
Speaker 1: starring Andrew Day and Miss Lawrence. Oh my god, Miss
Speaker 1: Lawrence was so good. But Andrew Day, because I'm telling
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Diana Ross fanatic, so I knew I
Speaker 1: was gonna watching and be comparing everything she did to Ross.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. Andrew Day made her own lane and stole it.
Speaker 1: That's not discrediting anything that the Ross Day, but Andre
Speaker 1: Day was fantastic. She was at her first acting gigs.
Speaker 1: She was amazing. I believed it, and all of being
Speaker 1: around her was so handsome. Good God, she was just
Speaker 1: giving it up to everybody. I should have been back
Speaker 1: in those days. I've been saying with that, damn should
Speaker 1: would have gave it up. Since we're talking about black history,
Speaker 1: let me because we always talk about black historians in
Speaker 1: the in the heterosexual community or that we know, we
Speaker 1: never talked about something the LGBT black historian. So let
Speaker 1: me go down the lane of Fanny lou Haim because
Speaker 1: was lesbian, open less bean, but she was a great
Speaker 1: freedom fighter. She was also educated at but Throne Cookman College. Um,
Speaker 1: moms mayblee for long lesbian, always spoke politically correct, always
Speaker 1: did those kind of it's so many and and here's
Speaker 1: I hate that when they say think that we haven't contributed,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking when I say, we am talking to
Speaker 1: the LGBT black people have contributed to black history as well.
Speaker 1: Uh me, first transgender stand up comedian to be on
Speaker 1: a major platform. But we have a guest today is
Speaker 1: making history. See history is not always twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you are in the middle of creating history, like
Speaker 1: right now is creating history right now as the first
Speaker 1: black trans woman to have her own reality show, we
Speaker 1: love that. We're talking about MS. T. S. Madison Hinton,
Speaker 1: also known as Maddie. She's an American entertainer. For those
Speaker 1: of you who may be joining us for the first time,
Speaker 1: she's an entrepreneur and an LGBT activist. She has also
Speaker 1: recorded an EP and has written an autobiography, Hard Life,
Speaker 1: Old or New. And On Thursday March fourth, Thursday March fourth,
Speaker 1: on the WE TV network, she launches her new reality
Speaker 1: show called The T. S. Madison Experience. It airs at
Speaker 1: ten pm Pacific East Coast time and seven Pacific Standard time,
Speaker 1: which is out of time. So I want your guests
Speaker 1: on we TV, and I want you guys to watch,
Speaker 1: and let's celebrate Maddie because Maddie will tell you her
Speaker 1: story better than we can, and we're gonna have her
Speaker 1: come on. And but Maddie came from here. You know
Speaker 1: they rap song started from the bottom. Now I'm here.
Speaker 1: Maddie started from the bottom. Now she's here. But y'all
Speaker 1: can't take it from me. I can't tell Maddie story
Speaker 1: what she had plank holding to us because the mandibna
Speaker 1: get up in here and get the red in y'all
Speaker 1: be respectful cause the Maddie mob liked to be half bitch.
Speaker 1: They will cancel your ass by the Maddie Mom. Don't
Speaker 1: play paging the Madison paging the t s. And I'm
Speaker 1: so glad she came to the show because we I
Speaker 1: did her show about a year or so ago, and
Speaker 1: we had talked before then, because she came to see
Speaker 1: me when I worked at the club here some years ago,
Speaker 1: and things just exploded. And I'm proud of Maddie. But
Speaker 1: you two have a history YouTube go way back. Well no, no, no,
Speaker 1: because I met Maddie when she first did a video
Speaker 1: freestyling on another entertainer, and Maddie exploded from that. It
Speaker 1: was a baby. She was in her house, she couldn't
Speaker 1: find what's room. She wanted to city, and then when
Speaker 1: she found found room, she got the reading and we
Speaker 1: just fell in love with her from that. In the
Speaker 1: worst of the great same town, A light of up
Speaker 1: host one three. You know, I have not had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to meet you, but I have been a fan
Speaker 1: for a while now, because I was introduced to you
Speaker 1: through Flame. Um, and one of the things I noticed
Speaker 1: when you all were talking and just talking about doing
Speaker 1: your own thing and finally making away is the similarity
Speaker 1: of how you are also making sure you include your
Speaker 1: family and friends. Why was it important, Maddie to make
Speaker 1: sure that you brought the entire team along on this journey. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: it's important that I brought my team on my journey
Speaker 1: because my team is it's black and brown and LBGT,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's there's uh a lack of LBGT
Speaker 1: representation in media. Um, even though people think it's a lot.
Speaker 1: And we worked, we work heavy behind the scenes like
Speaker 1: LBGT people. But I need to bring these people in
Speaker 1: the forefront that's really making making it happen and make
Speaker 1: history happen. You know. Listen, Flame pigh near the door
Speaker 1: for me to come through, to walk through this type
Speaker 1: of stuff, because I remember watching I remember being a
Speaker 1: young girl, a young young, young, young, very young girl.
Speaker 1: I'm messing with Flame now, I don't tear around the flame.
Speaker 1: I was a very young, young, young young girl. You
Speaker 1: weren't that young helper knocked at all? He was only
Speaker 1: about five years younger than me. Be you don't call
Speaker 1: this show tell a little true security, miss Manist. I
Speaker 1: remember being a very young young girl, honey and watching
Speaker 1: this this this woman come on stage and and I
Speaker 1: was a big fan of comic View and the very
Speaker 1: first time I saw Flame, I was like, waite a man,
Speaker 1: there this bitch out the train white and then she said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm What did you say at the time, Flame,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to. I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll be I'm gonna be. I don't know it go
Speaker 1: from day to day, Hunt, Well, that's where it was.
Speaker 1: Well when when you you let the girls know, honey,
Speaker 1: that you that you had you had jump in the
Speaker 1: trunk and jump in the front. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all right and all that you know that that was
Speaker 1: That was very maddie. You know what. But do you
Speaker 1: remember when you first came to Long Beach and you
Speaker 1: came to the club to see me, and then you
Speaker 1: came to the house, you and uh, who is that
Speaker 1: I don't know which manager used with at the time.
Speaker 1: They came to pick you up and we ate and everything,
Speaker 1: and you're not talking about your past and what I
Speaker 1: always told you, girl, that that ship don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1: Keep going forward. Those people who were at haters that
Speaker 1: was at you and hating on you. What I tell you,
Speaker 1: they're gonna disappear. Guess what they did, Maddie, they disappear.
Speaker 1: Well listen, I can't see him anyway because I'm in
Speaker 1: my season right now, and I in my season right now,
Speaker 1: I ain't paying no hay, there's no attention. It's like
Speaker 1: nothing that they nothing that they could say if they
Speaker 1: try to freestyle on me. And I love the way
Speaker 1: that you you integrated freestyle for those people. They don't understand.
Speaker 1: You know, we called the freestyle Allan Jones and reading,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that, Like like, no matter how
Speaker 1: much they're trying to do what they do, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: it's like I see that I'm here, Are you not? So? No,
Speaker 1: no no. And when I when I said that, I
Speaker 1: wasn't telling you to give light to the haters. I
Speaker 1: was saying that because you kept going forward and you
Speaker 1: pay that they have all fallen off, by the way,
Speaker 1: saying Maddie, meanwhile, you're about to be You're about to
Speaker 1: be the first black trans woman to have their own
Speaker 1: reality show on WE TV. On a major network, and
Speaker 1: that's executive produced by yourself. I know what that means,
Speaker 1: and I know what that does. That's great, Maddie, that's
Speaker 1: fucking great. Thursday night, I'm gonna be in Chicago and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sitting in front of the TV with
Speaker 1: my popcorn perch, bitch, waiting to see you. But I
Speaker 1: want to see my favorite character on the show because
Speaker 1: it ain't you. Well, I know it's your it's a
Speaker 1: girlfriend who cook that whole pig. Miss Mary is my baby, hoody.
Speaker 1: Let me tell y'all something about Miss Mary, me and
Speaker 1: Miss Mary Heather. I told Maddie when I was at
Speaker 1: her house, if Ms Mary was masculine, a little studly,
Speaker 1: I'd be your stepdaddy there, I'll be your stepdad. Help.
Speaker 1: May you know I am? I know I know, Maddie
Speaker 1: that in the in the gay community and in the
Speaker 1: trans community, a lot of girls will give you fictitious
Speaker 1: praise or we'll say I'm happy for her. But but
Speaker 1: but I haven't done nothing since this announcement has come
Speaker 1: out and give you praise because I'm proud of you, man.
Speaker 1: It's one of us getting breaking through, it's one of
Speaker 1: us getting in and what you have to understand is
Speaker 1: when one comes, it's like roaches. You know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be some more. So hats off to yourself to blow
Speaker 1: so we can come through. Uh, you left the door
Speaker 1: open for me and without even knowing you did that.
Speaker 1: You know, back on comic with you because you know
Speaker 1: we have a similar style of You know, I can't
Speaker 1: do what you do and we can't do with each
Speaker 1: other do but we got our own. Ain't the way
Speaker 1: we do what we do? You know I learned that
Speaker 1: from you. But you left the door open for me
Speaker 1: to come through. Um and be loud, laughing in color
Speaker 1: like you know, because flame you know that mouth you
Speaker 1: got his leatho and all I don't I Madie, I'm
Speaker 1: so sweet and Leo. Okay, so let me tell you
Speaker 1: I have Maddie guest favors and she told about my
Speaker 1: mouth is Leathough. One of the queens in Atlanta was
Speaker 1: reading Maddie about her prior work. So Maddie made a video.
Speaker 1: This was when like Facebook was first popping, and she
Speaker 1: I remember you're going from room to room because you
Speaker 1: couldn't decide where you wanted to sit in the marvelous chateau,
Speaker 1: and then you finally got to the dining room table
Speaker 1: and you just went in and girl, you exploded. And
Speaker 1: I asked, like, who who can noticed that hanging on
Speaker 1: the wall there pictures still there, you know, and you
Speaker 1: just exploding. You know what was so amazing to me
Speaker 1: that when you caught on so quickly, so many haters
Speaker 1: of girls who wanted to do what you were doing,
Speaker 1: jump thrown to try to eat at your bandwagon, and
Speaker 1: they all just fell away, by the way said, they
Speaker 1: all just stought disappearing because your mama, Miss Mary, who
Speaker 1: was a prying sister, oh there and a cooking ask
Speaker 1: let me say that always prayed over you to keep
Speaker 1: all the b and for you to get where you
Speaker 1: are now. You lost some people along the way you did.
Speaker 1: You lost some people that some people that something. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it because one person that you work with,
Speaker 1: whose name we won't mention, I thought you all with
Speaker 1: the fucking most remarkable team ever. But things don't pan
Speaker 1: out that way sometimes and you survive that man, and
Speaker 1: you still standing, girl, you still here. That's great. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm still standing because you know I'm gonna press Revere
Speaker 1: through it all. And even though a person watching my
Speaker 1: journey may not like me, or or they may not
Speaker 1: sign me funny, or you know, I might not be entertaining,
Speaker 1: but they must definitely say that that bitch is resilient.
Speaker 1: What is your What is your intention with the new show?
Speaker 1: Is it too expand your audience, introduce yourself to more people,
Speaker 1: or to elevate your brand? What is it that you
Speaker 1: hope to accomplish. I do hope to expand my audience
Speaker 1: and um, you know, uh, elevate my brand. But I
Speaker 1: also want people to learn. I want people to learn.
Speaker 1: I want to be hope for the hopeless because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people out there that that are
Speaker 1: chasing their dreams and things fall apart, that are chasing
Speaker 1: their dreams, and the and the and the sheet is
Speaker 1: pulled from up under them, that are chasing their dreams
Speaker 1: and it's just not working out. And I want people
Speaker 1: to look at me and be like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: even though I may not be trans the person watching,
Speaker 1: even though I may not be trance or or I
Speaker 1: may not be black, or you know, I may not
Speaker 1: be who she is, there's a piece of me in
Speaker 1: this person. Um. I want I want people to see
Speaker 1: that that trans children and and their mothers who love
Speaker 1: the Lord can have a great relationship with each other.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to be a part of
Speaker 1: healing some of the black family. I want to be
Speaker 1: a part of tear down a lot of stigma that
Speaker 1: it is about transack about black trans women. I want
Speaker 1: to be a part of that. You know, and my
Speaker 1: mother used to always tell me because there were times
Speaker 1: and Flame, you know, you and I have talked very
Speaker 1: incessively about these things. You know. There there there have
Speaker 1: been times where I used to be like, well, Dawn,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody just getting nation stuff before me or
Speaker 1: or this is going on before me, you know. But
Speaker 1: I still got to be resilient. If the if one
Speaker 1: door closed, I'd open a window. If the window was closed, honey,
Speaker 1: you know, I dig a hole in the ground and
Speaker 1: crawl up under. I've been down there in that basement
Speaker 1: working on on myself before people even knew who I was.
Speaker 1: Just like Flames said, I I made a video that
Speaker 1: we're viral about me reading somebody who had something to
Speaker 1: say about my prior work. I've never ever been um
Speaker 1: ashamed of my of my beginnings because every piece of
Speaker 1: my beginnings is a part of my testimony, like that's
Speaker 1: where I was. People can't hold me prisoner to that
Speaker 1: because I'm very vocal about it. I'm very open about it.
Speaker 1: And and they also can see that I have transitioned
Speaker 1: from that into this. And I want people to learn
Speaker 1: that transitioning it's not always about this. People transition in
Speaker 1: the mind. They transition, and and and and their finances.
Speaker 1: They transition, and they're living and they living space. They
Speaker 1: transition in their emotions. They transitions. They transition and in
Speaker 1: the way and they when that they look. But we
Speaker 1: all transition on this earth, all of us. We're all
Speaker 1: we're all transitioning each and every day, each and every
Speaker 1: every time that we want to try something new, each
Speaker 1: and every time that we're going after ours were transitioning
Speaker 1: into something else. Flame. Listen, I watched you on Comic
Speaker 1: View Boom things When when when, however they went in
Speaker 1: your life and then doom they change, Boom hair Gold
Speaker 1: Tippany has has come and brought you air stay ready,
Speaker 1: relaunched your whole career. It's it's just something else, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you transition from one state
Speaker 1: of being to another. You're transition from one mindset to another,
Speaker 1: and it comes with age. It does. It does come
Speaker 1: with age. And I tell people that even when we're
Speaker 1: talking about when you say, like you want to help
Speaker 1: with the trans community. When you're young, you think one way.
Speaker 1: Five years up the line, you think another way another
Speaker 1: five and see years you think another way. You constantly
Speaker 1: are growing when you're transitioning. Everybody who transitions doesn't grow.
Speaker 1: Let me say that again, everybody who transitions does not grow.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about changing your sex. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about you as a person. The drive and the DNA
Speaker 1: of what you want has to be in you. Everybody
Speaker 1: can want it for you, but if you don't want
Speaker 1: it for yourself, you're not gonna get Maddie, I watched you.
Speaker 1: I remember you calling me thinking that your past was
Speaker 1: gonna hold you back. And what I tell you, girl,
Speaker 1: you did that already. You already accomplished that. Now look
Speaker 1: and that look. Only fans is as popular as that,
Speaker 1: and and and and I was, I was. I pioneered
Speaker 1: that stuff in and even in me doing that in
Speaker 1: my in my former career, I pioneered the place for
Speaker 1: black girls to own, to own own that to make
Speaker 1: money off of that, because what people don't really understand
Speaker 1: is that the business that I was in way before
Speaker 1: all of this is a white male dominated business where
Speaker 1: black people work for the man. And I came in
Speaker 1: and told the man, nigga, this is what I told
Speaker 1: the man, nigga, you got me fucked up. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep all my money, all nine and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make residuals off of this until the day I
Speaker 1: leave the planet. So I made girls want to go
Speaker 1: and take ownership of whatever of their lives. And it's
Speaker 1: just if I didn't learn that in that space, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here in this space right now taking ownership
Speaker 1: of my life. Like like the television show that it's
Speaker 1: being produced is executive produced by me. I don't have
Speaker 1: all the power, but I have power in the narrative
Speaker 1: of what's going on with my story instead of me
Speaker 1: putting it in the hands of somebody and they, and
Speaker 1: they telling the whole a whole, drop down, drag out
Speaker 1: trans story. Please please explain to people why that is
Speaker 1: so important that you have that executive producers position and
Speaker 1: that you will control the narrative of the way you
Speaker 1: want to be presented to the world. Please explain that
Speaker 1: to the girls who want to have TV shows. It's
Speaker 1: extremely important that you hold that position, because they could
Speaker 1: they the cameras could come in here and they could
Speaker 1: just say, Okay, well Madison, this is this is the
Speaker 1: way we're gonna tell the story of your life. And
Speaker 1: they can have me some messy trans girl that's you know,
Speaker 1: still hooking and and and and exploiting that. No, we're
Speaker 1: gonna turn this into a whole beautiful thing. This is
Speaker 1: where I was, This is not where I am, because
Speaker 1: people can get so stuck into your past and stuck
Speaker 1: into trying to tell that story of your past, that
Speaker 1: this is all people will know about you. This is
Speaker 1: why it's important for us to control the narrative. This
Speaker 1: is why it's important for us to to own our
Speaker 1: masters or whatever it is, whatever it is, whether it's music,
Speaker 1: whether it's it's it's adult film, whether whether it's writing,
Speaker 1: whether it's it's you know and all my journey frame.
Speaker 1: I make mistakes on my journey. I make mistakes. I
Speaker 1: was I was trying to get in the door um
Speaker 1: a record company that I was signed to. Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say they took advantage of me because you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, like I was coming from this space
Speaker 1: to another one. Um, And I didn't know anything about
Speaker 1: how to work with contracts and things like that or
Speaker 1: whatever with with music or whatever. So some of some
Speaker 1: of the songs that I have, I don't own those songs.
Speaker 1: But the new songs that I have now I do. Um,
Speaker 1: even with my book when it came down to my
Speaker 1: first book, like I got a business with a woman
Speaker 1: which which she's gonna receive some litigation very soon. So
Speaker 1: she has friends that just watching watching, she has free watching.
Speaker 1: She best to get ready because there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: litigation laid on her ass. Because you know, we came
Speaker 1: into this thing and and and and we had a
Speaker 1: verbal agreement and we and I honored the verbal agreement
Speaker 1: with the way that we were doing things or whatever.
Speaker 1: And she she she she took from me, you know.
Speaker 1: And I still persevere through that. I still did that.
Speaker 1: I'm working on another book right now. That's that's actually
Speaker 1: I may not make shuldn't say this right now, but
Speaker 1: the book is in development for something else. Um. But
Speaker 1: that's that's that's over there. And my thing is I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't let Um, I don't. I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: let the things that in my past wound me so
Speaker 1: that I can't move forward into the future. But I
Speaker 1: just learned from that, Like these are things I learned
Speaker 1: from Just like right now, if we talk about my
Speaker 1: former co host or whatever, because I know you said
Speaker 1: that you think that she and I had great magic,
Speaker 1: I do too. However that dissolved. We're gone. Um even
Speaker 1: even my even my former manager that dissolved, they're gone,
Speaker 1: Like we are no longer occupying these spaces. Some people
Speaker 1: come in for a season and some people come in,
Speaker 1: you know, for a lifetime, and everybody has their season,
Speaker 1: and when it's time for the season to change, they
Speaker 1: will change out. Maddie. One of the things you can't
Speaker 1: see are all the comments and the people just saying
Speaker 1: how much they love you, and they feel like they
Speaker 1: know you already because they've been following your journey for
Speaker 1: so long. So I think that you walk in with
Speaker 1: a certain amount of equity into this show knowing that
Speaker 1: everyone here I genuinely believe who was joined this conversation
Speaker 1: when we've been talking about you joining us. Everyone wants
Speaker 1: you to succeed. So we're all hoping that we can
Speaker 1: learn and see more about you. And you were saying
Speaker 1: that those of us who already kind of know you,
Speaker 1: we will also be coolly entertained and will learn new
Speaker 1: things about you as well as the new audience that
Speaker 1: will be joining starting on March. Warres Well listen. Even
Speaker 1: in the process of me filming the show, I learned
Speaker 1: things about myself. I learned how I've learned how in flame.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can help me with this. I learned how
Speaker 1: deep my transition really affected my surrounding. Even though I
Speaker 1: left home during a period of time to try to
Speaker 1: find myself, it really affected, you know, my surrounding. And
Speaker 1: then when you when you when a really a good
Speaker 1: reality show a good one. A good reality show is
Speaker 1: a lot of therapy and we have fun and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But but I learned so many different spaces
Speaker 1: of my mother that I was just like, oh, my God,
Speaker 1: like you know, I didn't even I wasn't even thinking
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I'm saying, and men, and
Speaker 1: my mother learned different spaces of me, like wow, my
Speaker 1: child was was really out here in the world alone
Speaker 1: and didn't want to be along because I do. I
Speaker 1: will say this, when we were feeling Us was a scene.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it made it or not because
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that cut, but there was a scene
Speaker 1: where me and my mother were really talking very in
Speaker 1: depth about the situation, and I was so angry with her.
Speaker 1: But I was so angry at her because I didn't
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening to her. And then in this in
Speaker 1: a moment there on the show, I actually listened to
Speaker 1: her in that space, Like the cameras right, it made
Speaker 1: me listen to her, and it was like I learned.
Speaker 1: I learned that I needed her during that space. And
Speaker 1: I really wish that I had the opportunity to go
Speaker 1: back and do some of that stuff over. But I
Speaker 1: can't and do some of that stuff over because lots
Speaker 1: of things that I was exposed to in my transition.
Speaker 1: If I would have had the love and the support
Speaker 1: from my mother that I have now, I don't think
Speaker 1: I would have. I don't think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things I wouldn't have experienced. And I hope that my show.
Speaker 1: I hope that my show shows that dynamic between she
Speaker 1: and I and it helps some other family out there
Speaker 1: whose daughter whose son um you know whose child is
Speaker 1: transitioning and understand that they need like you. You you
Speaker 1: need that like you need it. You can have all
Speaker 1: the friends in the world and all the people cheering
Speaker 1: you on the world, but there's nothing like having your
Speaker 1: own blood, your own flesh and blood have your back. Well, Maddie,
Speaker 1: let me ask you something too, though, because everybody says
Speaker 1: the reality TV is not for them. So what was
Speaker 1: the moment or the space when you said, this is
Speaker 1: something I really want to do. Because I'm I'm glad
Speaker 1: to hear that you're saying you're having all of these
Speaker 1: moments where a positivity that's gonna, you know, come out
Speaker 1: in the show. But what made you say, Okay, reality
Speaker 1: TV was something that I wanted to do. What was
Speaker 1: that moment? Like, I know that reality TV is a
Speaker 1: gateway for many for many different uh things, um and
Speaker 1: I know that this, this opportunity that we TV has
Speaker 1: given me has put me in spaces that I no
Speaker 1: longer have to introduce myself, like coming in like they
Speaker 1: know now like the TS has she's had a reality
Speaker 1: television show. So when I knocked on the door for
Speaker 1: other things, like other projects, other other other uh create
Speaker 1: creating other projects like um producing other stuff, or or
Speaker 1: being on another show, or or or or lending my
Speaker 1: presence um uh to the to the to the experience
Speaker 1: of the world. Then people will know that, um I
Speaker 1: don't need to introduction here, we go right here. They
Speaker 1: don gave me a whold TV show, so it was
Speaker 1: this was my gateway in. You know what I'm most
Speaker 1: impressed by when you said that you learned some things
Speaker 1: listening to your mother, because what we don't do, and
Speaker 1: I'm just not talking about trans women, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: young kids period, is we don't know the struggles that
Speaker 1: sometimes that our mothers went through. So we don't know
Speaker 1: how our grandmothers treated them or how men have treated
Speaker 1: them over the years because they we were always their children,
Speaker 1: so they don't feel like they could talk to us
Speaker 1: about that. So we don't even know the pain that
Speaker 1: they have went through, and a lot of times we
Speaker 1: don't understand it because all we want is our mama
Speaker 1: at the time, and when when that time, sometimes they
Speaker 1: just wanted their mothers. So's it's a going on and
Speaker 1: on process. You said you couldn't change the past, but
Speaker 1: guess what you can change, Maddie. It's the future. And
Speaker 1: I love the relationship that you and miss Mary had
Speaker 1: as long as miss Mary up in that kitchen. Miss
Speaker 1: Mary is faaning with me, miss Mary can bird. Let
Speaker 1: me tell y'all something. When I was at maddy house,
Speaker 1: I saw miss Mary take the nose of the pig
Speaker 1: and the tail of the pig and dropped the pig
Speaker 1: in the hot part of water. When I tell you,
Speaker 1: it was fucking fire. Though whoa it was called south
Speaker 1: to meat. I ain't the whole pig. I ain't the
Speaker 1: ass the hid it up. Now you put a little
Speaker 1: hot songs on and went to work over it is.
Speaker 1: It's going to help somebody, though, marry because I mean Maddie,
Speaker 1: because somebody does not have that. I didn't have that
Speaker 1: relationship with Valerie growing up, you know. And I didn't
Speaker 1: know until me and Valerie sat down and talk years
Speaker 1: later of what she had went through as a young woman,
Speaker 1: you know, being mama had me at seventeen, so she
Speaker 1: had a lot going on. But so I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you and your mom got a chance because a lot
Speaker 1: of people won't get a chance to that. Either their
Speaker 1: mothers die or the or the kid dies and they
Speaker 1: don't have a chance to get the heel together to
Speaker 1: where they can come to a place of resolution, which
Speaker 1: is what your Mary has done. And see the thing
Speaker 1: about it in this plane. I just hope, like you know,
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen cuts up of that particular part,
Speaker 1: but I just hope if it makes it to the screen, yes,
Speaker 1: but if it makes it to the extended version online,
Speaker 1: I hope, like you know, And it's important for me
Speaker 1: for that to be seen. And and Flame and and everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know, I'm just talking, you know, because
Speaker 1: this girl and Flame. You know, there's such a disconnect
Speaker 1: with assist gender went black CIS women and black trans women.
Speaker 1: There's a large disconnecting between and Um, I'm surrounded on
Speaker 1: my show with women, even Craig, you know, but Craig
Speaker 1: gonna get you, you know, Craig of time, like six
Speaker 1: days after week okay, five, But I'm surrounded by women
Speaker 1: on my show. And my new and my new business manager,
Speaker 1: um Legra has really stepped in it and it has
Speaker 1: become like my really good friend and I love her
Speaker 1: a lot. And we went on a journey together where
Speaker 1: um Um she was having some things done to her
Speaker 1: um Genitalia, and I learned a lot in that, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was I'm really fussing at the network and
Speaker 1: fighting with the network, you know, for that scene to
Speaker 1: make it into the show, because it's so important because
Speaker 1: in that space, she and I had a very deep
Speaker 1: conversation on the on the similarities and the differences in
Speaker 1: between black trans women and black SIS women, and how
Speaker 1: instead of us being at odds with each other over
Speaker 1: over ignorant chicks, that we need to be coming together
Speaker 1: because you know, we're both a marginalized group, so you
Speaker 1: know it's important. Well, you know, I not see I
Speaker 1: got Lawrence in here, who is a biological woman, because
Speaker 1: a lot of women that I mean, my circle don't
Speaker 1: like the term sis, you know what I'm so respectfully,
Speaker 1: we don't. I don't say sis because the women in
Speaker 1: my spaces don't like that work, just like a lot
Speaker 1: of them don't like the word fish. But you know
Speaker 1: a lot of us complaining about the word training. I
Speaker 1: don't Maddie wouldn't be cut from the same cloth a
Speaker 1: lot on a lot of these terminology things, because we
Speaker 1: know what it is, we know what we're after, we
Speaker 1: know what we're trying to make money and just put
Speaker 1: our brand out there. What I do like the fact
Speaker 1: is that you're surrounding yourself with biological women. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say biological I know you say sis. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: biological women because you'll see that the loyalty of a
Speaker 1: biological woman will stand the test of time with you. Now,
Speaker 1: if you've had a bad experience with a biological woman,
Speaker 1: but wait a minute, you've also now you've got a
Speaker 1: new one that you're working with. You know, Lauren is
Speaker 1: my manager now, and she's a biological woman. I've had
Speaker 1: another manager who was a biological woman, but I had
Speaker 1: issues with that. It's not gonna always go well. So
Speaker 1: even if I had a trans woman or trans man.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people should just don't work. Sometimes you just and
Speaker 1: we can't keep putting it on and say, oh, this
Speaker 1: woman didn't do for me or this man didn't do
Speaker 1: Sometimes people just don't. Jail and Maddie, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you God knocked all the extra off of you to
Speaker 1: get you to hear, because you would have been carrying
Speaker 1: a lot of dead weight with you had you taking
Speaker 1: that with you. And sometimes, like your things said, I'm
Speaker 1: the ball. Sometimes you got to beat the balls and
Speaker 1: know how to be the boss. Everybody don't know how
Speaker 1: to do that. But but for me, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: this whole experience, like, yes, the show is the show
Speaker 1: is uh, the show is cut around being funny, Like
Speaker 1: like I really wanted to come in and be a
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air on television. I ain't have I'm
Speaker 1: forty three years old, flame. I ain't got time to
Speaker 1: be busting a bit in the head with no bottle.
Speaker 1: I ain't got time to be throwing no no drink
Speaker 1: across the room. I'm too old for that. If you
Speaker 1: don't want to watch, if that's the type of television
Speaker 1: that you want to watch on the test mass experience,
Speaker 1: it's not the show. Now we do read because because
Speaker 1: Craig the International House of Writing Store is a very
Speaker 1: shady I learned that about your good Judie Craig, creg
Speaker 1: very safe Greg and shady. Maddie. I have I have
Speaker 1: to ask you this, you know, because people want to
Speaker 1: know this too. It's obvious. Ever, you're beautiful woman. We
Speaker 1: know this. Will we have an opportunity to watch Maddie?
Speaker 1: Maybe fine Love, Maybe that would be season two. I
Speaker 1: mean they've already been talking about the direction of the direction,
Speaker 1: you know after this season, you know, because I've seen
Speaker 1: a few people that too much for one person. It's
Speaker 1: gonna happen to be like a group on a couple
Speaker 1: of people. Anybody can do that. Well, Listen, you're know
Speaker 1: we're flame. I think that, I think and I've I've
Speaker 1: talked to I've talked to the network about this because
Speaker 1: I know they've been very They've they've been leaning on
Speaker 1: me about master So what are we gonna do about you?
Speaker 1: Like you when when you achieve all of these goals
Speaker 1: that you're setting yourself out there, that we're in your
Speaker 1: life to help you achieve these goals, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do about the goal that we can't help you achieve?
Speaker 1: And that's love? What you're gonna do about Dad? We
Speaker 1: need to sit we need to sit our foot in that.
Speaker 1: And I'm very much so like I have to be
Speaker 1: honest because there were spaces on there. We talked about
Speaker 1: this on this in with Tiffany. You know, Tiffany, my
Speaker 1: girl tipping the new Listen, the love of the Tiffany
Speaker 1: is is something crazy, ain't it? Ain't it? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Tippy Paul has been crazy long time, you know, but
Speaker 1: Joe Tippity love you at my Tippany loved me and um,
Speaker 1: black black biological women. Yeah, and listen, I'm supported him,
Speaker 1: said black biological women. I'm supporting black trans girl out there.
Speaker 1: I'm supported heavily by my trains girls too, because they
Speaker 1: get it. Like my trans girls, they get it. And
Speaker 1: I'm supported by my black women, my white women too,
Speaker 1: you know. But they asked me this and I said.
Speaker 1: My answer was in a scene. My answer was talking
Speaker 1: to New York that I have been wounded and I'm
Speaker 1: openly saying this now, so so whoever watching. I'm not
Speaker 1: a bitter or bash but I have been wounded by
Speaker 1: by the choices that I made earlier in my in
Speaker 1: my transition, you know, based off of what I needed
Speaker 1: to do for survival, you know, survival sex. It's what
Speaker 1: kept me, kept the lights on, and because I was
Speaker 1: introduced to that's so very young. I don't have any
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have any love or emotions
Speaker 1: outside of a sexual attraction, sexual uh, financial, a transactional
Speaker 1: affair with a man. I don't. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, that's my last you know, girls
Speaker 1: down there, yes, get you a trans Man. Maddie. See,
Speaker 1: that's what you need. You need to get your beautiful
Speaker 1: trans man. You have the whole package, the whole complete see,
Speaker 1: because I understand where you had with the love thing,
Speaker 1: because that's one of my lands. I'm not as scared
Speaker 1: of a new alert, of a new love. I'm afraid
Speaker 1: of an old hurt. I'm not scared of a new love,
Speaker 1: but I'm afraid of that old hurt because i couldn't
Speaker 1: handle it. And I've been had my heart broken bat
Speaker 1: Man and bad Woman. What's left for cat ship? Well, Maddie, Well, Maddie,
Speaker 1: tell us too, because you guys talked about how you
Speaker 1: have a Tiffany and Flame has a Tiffany. You know,
Speaker 1: Flame has always talked about her relationship with Tiffany Hattesch.
Speaker 1: What is your relationship like with Tiffni Polard and what
Speaker 1: is she doing for your show? Tiffany polit is like
Speaker 1: my fairy godmother. Um, she she comes to the show.
Speaker 1: She she she's she leaves her experience on reality television,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know anything about reality television. All I
Speaker 1: know how to do is make people laugh. Um, so
Speaker 1: she leaves her her experience of that, and I really
Speaker 1: you know, I really want her to be a part
Speaker 1: of all the things that I have going on. Um uh.
Speaker 1: And plus she's my friend, like she calls me and
Speaker 1: checks on me, she prays when she she comes here,
Speaker 1: like I can call her about maybe any any freaking
Speaker 1: thing or whatever. And when all of this stuff was
Speaker 1: going on publicly, which I want to, Tiffany called me
Speaker 1: and she was just like, girl, listen, queen, you got
Speaker 1: to understand that you were starting this kind of stuff
Speaker 1: happens to stars and you can't. You gotta let you
Speaker 1: gotta not give that ship no energy or nothing like that.
Speaker 1: You got a really big future ahead of you, girl,
Speaker 1: and you gotta focus on that. Even though I know
Speaker 1: that these things that would talk to me by my
Speaker 1: mother and I know Grandma last coming out, let me
Speaker 1: put it on, even though I know would talk to
Speaker 1: me by my mother. Um, it's good to hear a
Speaker 1: girlfriend to come through, especially somebody who that who you
Speaker 1: looked up to and you like and she's crazy and
Speaker 1: the mother like, you know what, You're funny and crazy
Speaker 1: and we feed off each other. Ms. Maddie, you look
Speaker 1: like you took to the vaccine with that one last
Speaker 1: show on that one Okay, that's the question I want
Speaker 1: to ask. And I said, I was not gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the vaccine, Maddie, how are you planning on taking
Speaker 1: the coronavirus vaccine um? To be honest with you, Flame,
Speaker 1: I have to work and this pandemic has really stopped
Speaker 1: me from having a premiere premier party. Just last year,
Speaker 1: I was at Walking and Timmy. I knew that. I
Speaker 1: knew that my show was green lit when I was
Speaker 1: um at Walker and Tammy's uh premiere party. And when
Speaker 1: I got there, my girlfriend Lauren Who's Who's Who's an
Speaker 1: s VP over it, and we she said, you know
Speaker 1: this is gonna be you and and in three hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five days and girl, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five days later, we are now, you know. So it
Speaker 1: didn't stop the show, but it didn't stop but it
Speaker 1: didn't stop the train because the show was still airing
Speaker 1: on the four. It didn't stop us from filming, but
Speaker 1: we felt we were we were we were so protective,
Speaker 1: just like you said, what what you guys had to
Speaker 1: do over there at the I heart we were so
Speaker 1: protective here, like girl, these people come through here with
Speaker 1: these these frame machines. They if you if you touched this,
Speaker 1: somebody's behind you wiping it down. We getting tested every
Speaker 1: other day, like all of that stuff was going on
Speaker 1: in the creation of the show. And we can't do
Speaker 1: that at a premiere party, like girl, we can't test
Speaker 1: there about it the dough honey. So so I couldn't
Speaker 1: have a premiere party. But what but what they did
Speaker 1: tell me in season two, um, in season two, and
Speaker 1: what they did tell me in season two, honey, it's
Speaker 1: the pandemic is going out of the way that we
Speaker 1: were there for to live, be having hey and in
Speaker 1: order on her to get to a season to Maddie
Speaker 1: mom inflame, man's guess what we got to do. We
Speaker 1: got to watch and support this ship. Yea, and every Thursday,
Speaker 1: because that's how you get to a season. That's how
Speaker 1: you get to us. They don't how many of y'all
Speaker 1: watching right here on social media. They want you all
Speaker 1: to watch it on TV. So yeah, you know. But
Speaker 1: the break about it is, I know we got some
Speaker 1: I know we got some folks that be saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: I ain't, I ain't. Don't worry, you got too, because
Speaker 1: maybe that's why we talk, that's why we reach a
Speaker 1: whole new audience. And this is why we began the
Speaker 1: show the way we began the show. We needed to
Speaker 1: introduce the new audience to all the characters, all the
Speaker 1: key players that's on the show. We needed to let
Speaker 1: them know that this is what happened, this is how
Speaker 1: That's why I went all the way back to me
Speaker 1: street walking. We went all the way back to that story.
Speaker 1: Like in the first fifteen minutes of the show. If
Speaker 1: you if you got haven't seen um the teaser or
Speaker 1: the trailer um, I mean the first look, you get
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and thirty something seconds of what went on
Speaker 1: in the tape of the show. And I know that
Speaker 1: some people said, with damn, I've seen that with with
Speaker 1: with uh, with with Sophia, you know, on the show.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, we were taping all we were
Speaker 1: filming during that time too. We were we we've been
Speaker 1: filming the show for a year, but the pandemic made it,
Speaker 1: you know, made it to where we had to pace
Speaker 1: it like that. You know what I want to ask
Speaker 1: you many because my mentor was Tasha Thomas, who I
Speaker 1: learned so much from as far as hosting and being
Speaker 1: a comedian or whatever, and I know you had a
Speaker 1: girlfriend that you lost a couple of years ago that
Speaker 1: was your mentor. She was actually the one who got
Speaker 1: you into the whole business altogether. And I want you
Speaker 1: to pay homage to your sister and friend and explained
Speaker 1: to us the audience that does not know who she
Speaker 1: is and why she meant what she was to my
Speaker 1: girlfriend that's hanging over the under wall. It's t s E.
Speaker 1: If there I placed, tis even my life, because I
Speaker 1: think I would have. I think, honestly, I would have
Speaker 1: been walking the sidewalk until until I found my place.
Speaker 1: I would have found my place, But I mean I
Speaker 1: would have been walking that sidewalk for a long time
Speaker 1: and a T. S Eve. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: was about me. I think it was I guess that
Speaker 1: she and I linked. You know, she was a Gemini
Speaker 1: and um, I'm a Libra and I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is a relationship between the Gemini and Libra. Something crazy.
Speaker 1: Um she uh, she reached out to me. I was
Speaker 1: very sick from I got pumped with some bad seal
Speaker 1: on it. I talked about that on my show, you know,
Speaker 1: getting pumped with bad silicone, Like the whole experiences I
Speaker 1: got pumped with some bad CEO and I end up
Speaker 1: having to end up losing everything. And I had scars
Speaker 1: and stuck on my body because of the seal. And
Speaker 1: I remember her reaching out to me and saying, girl,
Speaker 1: when you get better, you know, come and try try
Speaker 1: something new. Come, Come and um you know. I came
Speaker 1: here to Atlanta. I didn't have a place to live
Speaker 1: and see, this is why my story is so important
Speaker 1: to me and to those people that want to get it.
Speaker 1: I came here to Atlanta. I didn't have a car,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a house, I didn't have a bank account,
Speaker 1: I didn't have nothing. Okay, I moved in with this
Speaker 1: woman and she started showing me the ropes of of
Speaker 1: once again, I was still in the sex place. She
Speaker 1: showed me the work of of of internet. She taught
Speaker 1: me how to read uh uh C, S, S and HTML.
Speaker 1: She taught me how to how to do that M
Speaker 1: how to video edit, and I got I had a
Speaker 1: camera that one of my girlfriends from Florida gave me
Speaker 1: name Juicy, Miss Juice, and gave me a camera and
Speaker 1: she told me to go out there in the world
Speaker 1: and go break some content. Back. I went out, I
Speaker 1: started making a little porno flicks with my with one
Speaker 1: of my pieces of trade that I did. I had
Speaker 1: been messing around with since I was about sixty years old.
Speaker 1: I was, and we made a lot of lots of
Speaker 1: videos together, and I came back. I edited the videos.
Speaker 1: She built my website. I put my my website up online.
Speaker 1: I started making money off of that, you know, because
Speaker 1: I wanted to know, how were you a girl that
Speaker 1: was able to lay in your bed all day and
Speaker 1: tell and not answer your phone? Girl? Because all I
Speaker 1: know is about selling Gucci, So how are you in
Speaker 1: the bed? She said, Girl, I got a whole website.
Speaker 1: So she taught me that. And then then then this
Speaker 1: is what I appreciate about her the most. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to heavily read htr mail colds, but she up.
Speaker 1: She she put my website together, and she put the
Speaker 1: videos up. And then I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I started, I gotta taste of inter like like
Speaker 1: weekly money and you know, good chain. Girl. She started saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not updating your website. Girl. If you on your
Speaker 1: website updated, you do it. And she threw me out there,
Speaker 1: and I remember me being so mad at her. Mad
Speaker 1: and sitting in the room on the computer trying to
Speaker 1: get these codes right to update my website. And I
Speaker 1: updated my website and it was it was all shifted,
Speaker 1: it wrong or whatever. But the ship was updated. And
Speaker 1: she came in and she she she she put a
Speaker 1: code in it, and it all sent her in a line.
Speaker 1: And she said, this is what you're doing, she said,
Speaker 1: And from now on, you are in charge of making
Speaker 1: all the money that you want to make for yourself.
Speaker 1: You don't gotta ask me for ship. And I love her.
Speaker 1: I love her for that. And the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: I could have done for her flame was at the
Speaker 1: end of her life. She she had um she had diabetes,
Speaker 1: and she was she she was ill, and she came
Speaker 1: here and she lived with me because she had a
Speaker 1: whole situation that was going on with her landlord or whatever.
Speaker 1: We moved all of her stuff over into her storage
Speaker 1: and and she put all her stuff and she came
Speaker 1: and lived with me. I was able to give back
Speaker 1: to her what she gave to me, like in the
Speaker 1: ends of her life. And that I'm so complete in
Speaker 1: the inside knowing that I was able to give. I
Speaker 1: was by her bedside when she when she went away,
Speaker 1: you know, so for me, God let you having full
Speaker 1: circle moment was full circle moment enough. People don't give
Speaker 1: a god enough credit for the ship do they don't?
Speaker 1: Because God do a lot of ship that y'all don't
Speaker 1: give him credit for. Why don't you Me and j C,
Speaker 1: Me and that need so cool? That an't adored me
Speaker 1: and your addresses in out? He just saw with me
Speaker 1: and having right now? Because I talked too much, you're
Speaker 1: talking about the Father. You came me say that girl,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the girls upset you though. You can't
Speaker 1: talk like that. They say you only talk like that
Speaker 1: when you're around me. I say that, ain't I ain't
Speaker 1: around Listen listen to Father to start and the Holy others. Well,
Speaker 1: there's some bad motherfuckers, ain't it? All three of them?
Speaker 1: And you know I got them toy have homeboys and
Speaker 1: hears them too. Of disciples, because you know one of
Speaker 1: them was the training that's one of my girl. One
Speaker 1: of them is that girl? What I was a training girl.
Speaker 1: I don't know whichever one one A dresses the most.
Speaker 1: That was definitely the training. Do you think it was Judas? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was Judas it was what was
Speaker 1: that other nigga's name? Oh we might have been Paul.
Speaker 1: That sounds like that's not like name. It wasn't you know, Maddie.
Speaker 1: What it is. What it is so encouraging is that
Speaker 1: because with Zaya Wade coming out and her dad being
Speaker 1: right there to support her, and Miss Mary being right
Speaker 1: there to support you even in your adult years, some
Speaker 1: key it out there, some young kid who's confused on
Speaker 1: their situation or not sure about their identity will see
Speaker 1: you see this show and be encouraged enough and a
Speaker 1: parent to say, hey, no matter what, this is still
Speaker 1: my child. We're gonna find that way back. We're gonna
Speaker 1: find the space and love. It's going to do a
Speaker 1: lot of good for a lot of people. Maddie. I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you. I'm telling you right now, bitch, I'm proud.
Speaker 1: And you know I called you all the time and
Speaker 1: you owe me because I sent you twain Ours every
Speaker 1: time I got my hook up. Yeah, you know I
Speaker 1: meant that. I'm checking in with you when you get
Speaker 1: back to the ad because you because I do like
Speaker 1: the big old Dicky. I've been an attack that bitch
Speaker 1: with a new reality show on TV. Look playing somebody
Speaker 1: down here, say if they really saying the N word
Speaker 1: when you're doing a live interview, you should know how
Speaker 1: to talk and speak. Listen. The reason why these people
Speaker 1: here is because they know what we give. They know
Speaker 1: what flame gil, they know what we give. They know
Speaker 1: this is Listen. People ain't tuning in to watch us
Speaker 1: be something can cut up. You know, we unorthodox girls.
Speaker 1: We don't follow the We don't follow in the line
Speaker 1: and and and and let me let me go a
Speaker 1: little further on that. We're not unorthodox, Mattie. This nigga,
Speaker 1: the word nigga, Let me let me break down, let
Speaker 1: me let me get up in here. Let me break
Speaker 1: down the destruction of the word nigga that was created
Speaker 1: by white folks to control Black folks when they brought
Speaker 1: us over here. The word nigga and the Black community
Speaker 1: has many, many, many different levels of meaning. It can
Speaker 1: go from love to kindness of joy to hate. If
Speaker 1: I'm in a comedy club and somebody walk up to
Speaker 1: me and I've had it done, say man, that nigga
Speaker 1: did it. Nigga, you did your thing. I take that
Speaker 1: as a compliment coming from a man, because in the
Speaker 1: Black community, that is a compliment. If he walked up
Speaker 1: and say, nigga, that ship was funny. Is here? I
Speaker 1: take that as a compliment. You an't create all some
Speaker 1: of these issues yourself. If you don't like the word nigga,
Speaker 1: the nigga word on this page, leave and take five
Speaker 1: of your friends with you, because what you're not going
Speaker 1: to get is the unauthenticity. I'm a genuine bitch, and
Speaker 1: so is this bitch on the other side. This is
Speaker 1: who we are. Why would we ain't who we are
Speaker 1: just to please what you want? Baby? That's what's wrong
Speaker 1: with the world. Now understand that just like Maddie say,
Speaker 1: she doing her thing, can't know a bit to do
Speaker 1: what she does or what I do, or what you do.
Speaker 1: If you see yourself because you keep looking in the
Speaker 1: mirror and seeing who you want us to be. Looked
Speaker 1: in the mirror and see who you are. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm asking you look and see who you are, because
Speaker 1: I know what's up to this week a ball fade
Speaker 1: and you know I ain't called my hand about a month.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, Maddie, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm hearing some of the things that you're
Speaker 1: talking about in terms of and I'll say since gender,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that, um, since gender
Speaker 1: women versus transgender women women of all different shape, sizes
Speaker 1: and colors. But you've also really talked about the trans community.
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as being an advocate for the
Speaker 1: community or what do you feel your role is or
Speaker 1: may not be? Um, you know, I was thrust into that.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't trying to be. However, any any transperson
Speaker 1: that occupies a large platform and has big media presence,
Speaker 1: it becomes that without even knowing, you know, and and
Speaker 1: by me being looking and by me and Flame occupying
Speaker 1: big spaces like like we do, I do feel like
Speaker 1: for me and and listen, Flame, Flame my bitch, and
Speaker 1: and and as as much time as that we'll be
Speaker 1: on the phone pus and I'll be protecting her on
Speaker 1: the outside too. Now she doesn't got mad at me
Speaker 1: for saying service something. She doesn't check me on that.
Speaker 1: But as much as I'm always fighting because I feel
Speaker 1: like what we cannot do is take away a person's individuality,
Speaker 1: Flame is Flame, and that's who she is. She is
Speaker 1: a transformer. She loved living and color. She's outspoken. That's
Speaker 1: what she is. And her experience. Her experience got me
Speaker 1: to have my experience, which will have the next trance
Speaker 1: person to have their experience. And we are all individuals
Speaker 1: who who can't speak for everybody. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that Flame talked about
Speaker 1: that that I concur with completely, But then there are
Speaker 1: some things that i'd be like Flame a girl, you
Speaker 1: know what, that does not mean that she's not a
Speaker 1: trans person and that that's not me, that she's not
Speaker 1: a beacon for our community. Like she's opened up doors
Speaker 1: for me to pick to walk through. I'm opening up
Speaker 1: doors for other girls to walk through. You don't like
Speaker 1: the way I'll represent represent bit to come out of
Speaker 1: be the representation. I tell people that all the time.
Speaker 1: If you don't like how you being represented, you come
Speaker 1: out and you start representing. Turn on your camera just
Speaker 1: like I did. I turned on my motherfucking camera where
Speaker 1: with the word I did nothing that it is this
Speaker 1: ch record they land Maddie Maddie when they when when
Speaker 1: they do a time capsule and sending after space and
Speaker 1: two hundred years and now they're gonna put that line
Speaker 1: affiliated with you? Is it on? Is this bitch record?
Speaker 1: You know. I don't want you to be nobody else
Speaker 1: flame but you they say, they say, you say problematic ship.
Speaker 1: They say, I say problematic ship. You know, and we
Speaker 1: might do. But these are are these are our experiences.
Speaker 1: These are ours. Let me ask you, though, Maddie, so
Speaker 1: with one the trans girls community, the trans community has
Speaker 1: made such strides. We have really made leaps and bounds.
Speaker 1: You being the first black trans woman to have your
Speaker 1: own reality show. We have a state senator, Sarah McBride
Speaker 1: and Delaware. We also Joe Biden disappointed a transgender doctor
Speaker 1: to be on his team. When I tell you that
Speaker 1: we are moving forward, Joe Biden lifted the band on
Speaker 1: the military so that trans people can be in the
Speaker 1: military in a safe space. Up holding. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: Nicholas in the military, he no better than not do,
Speaker 1: but in a safe space. So we are making strides forward.
Speaker 1: Please let me ask you, as a trans woman, what
Speaker 1: do you think as a trans woman of color? Because
Speaker 1: I can only speak about us because I'm a trans
Speaker 1: wormer color. What is holding us back from just really
Speaker 1: just crossing over the threshold to the to the whole
Speaker 1: world just receiving us. Um. I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that's holding us back is uh, and you want me
Speaker 1: to be honest. Holding us back is everybody trying to
Speaker 1: make us all one thing, like like I do I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, like there's so many different facets
Speaker 1: of us and so many different looks of us, like
Speaker 1: they all want us to be either skinny or or
Speaker 1: we need to be proper, or we need to be political,
Speaker 1: or we need to be like each one of us
Speaker 1: is delfriend. And I think that we are our biggest
Speaker 1: hole back. The only way that that we will rise
Speaker 1: is if we pull each other up. And I think
Speaker 1: that we don't pull each other up enough. That's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest downfalls that we got. We don't pull
Speaker 1: each other up enough. We don't root for each other enough.
Speaker 1: Like why is it there no trans NICKI minage? Why
Speaker 1: is there no trans Drake? Why is there no you know,
Speaker 1: you know trans people who have the talent that these
Speaker 1: that these these people who we idolize and worship. Um,
Speaker 1: why aren't we occupying no spaces? You know? Why? Because
Speaker 1: the first day we say I ain't watching that, I
Speaker 1: ain't I'm not finished, I'm not buying that that's a trance.
Speaker 1: Why would I buy that I ain't doing that. I
Speaker 1: this is what we do to each other. And because
Speaker 1: we do this to each other, we we were, we
Speaker 1: remained in this space, and everybody else around us elevates
Speaker 1: because we we are so only des in pushing and
Speaker 1: pushing these people because we want to be accepted by
Speaker 1: these people instead of accepting ourselves and rising ourselves up
Speaker 1: to the top. But you know what, t S. I
Speaker 1: think that's where I'm gonna push back. I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly what you in flame have done, right. I think
Speaker 1: that you have created a space where people who may
Speaker 1: not have been familiar with you and what you bring
Speaker 1: to the table, You've created the space. Just from the
Speaker 1: fifteen minute trailer. I am more invested in seeing this
Speaker 1: now than I was in the beginning because of your
Speaker 1: relationship with your mother, it was your relationship with friends.
Speaker 1: The way you all created a family is something that
Speaker 1: people relate to. So I think that what happens is
Speaker 1: it's less about members of the community pushing down or
Speaker 1: ignoring we don't see it right. So now we see
Speaker 1: WHOA T. S is. A working woman. She's the boss
Speaker 1: like everybody else. She's running the show, she's producing, she's
Speaker 1: trying to write, she's looking at the outtakes of her show,
Speaker 1: She's supporting the team and encouraging them. All of that
Speaker 1: is part of the brand and part of the industry
Speaker 1: that you are. And I think that we just had
Speaker 1: not seen it before. And this is what you bring
Speaker 1: to the table. Well, I think that it's the reason
Speaker 1: why you see it with flaming that because we understand.
Speaker 1: We're at an age where we understand that you you
Speaker 1: you need I needed her to walk so that I
Speaker 1: can walk to you know what I'm saying. We understand
Speaker 1: that like lots of people don't really they don't get
Speaker 1: it like we We've transitioned to be in this mind
Speaker 1: space so that we can understand and receive that. My
Speaker 1: team is so important to me on my show because
Speaker 1: they're all LBG key and I need them to win
Speaker 1: in this space because they'll open the door for the
Speaker 1: next set of LBGT people to do it, and it
Speaker 1: will it will help us rise. And I do think,
Speaker 1: and Flames tell me if I'm wrong here, I do
Speaker 1: think that we will go out and we will support
Speaker 1: a whole group, a whole set of folks, like I
Speaker 1: was saying earlier, and and and turn the turn of
Speaker 1: the blind on on our own phone. You don't think, well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you this, Maddie. What you're not gonna get.
Speaker 1: What you're not gonna get is a lot of other
Speaker 1: girls telling you openly how they're proud of you because
Speaker 1: as trans sistors. I don't know why we do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you said, I don't know why
Speaker 1: we don't uplift each other and uphold each other, but
Speaker 1: we're quick to tear each other down, starting with this
Speaker 1: whole council culture thing. Understand, mad you can't please everybody.
Speaker 1: You know that already. You can't please. You're never going
Speaker 1: to try to. And whenever you try to speak to
Speaker 1: please everybody, you're gonna sunk yourself up in the process.
Speaker 1: Right all you please, Maddie. I do love that you
Speaker 1: have surrounded yourself with your your loyal team. You got Craig,
Speaker 1: you got Cheat, Cheat, you got Mama, you know, you
Speaker 1: got Mo, you got Oliver, and I met I met Oliver,
Speaker 1: I met Cheat Che, I know Craig because Craig interview
Speaker 1: me before. Of course I met Mama Mary. But that's
Speaker 1: showing right there. What you're doing is what Tiffany Pollard
Speaker 1: did for you and what Tiffany had this year for me.
Speaker 1: You're bringing somebody else on so your people may get
Speaker 1: something out of this, and then they'll bring somebody else on.
Speaker 1: It is right. That is how you do it. You
Speaker 1: keep paying it forward. But I'm sorry in our community,
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about just black, I'm also talking
Speaker 1: about LGB T two. We hold each other back because
Speaker 1: we don't want somebody else to say you're the first.
Speaker 1: You're the first one. I am proud that you're the
Speaker 1: first one, Maddie. Since you since they announced this show,
Speaker 1: Maddie on my every platform, I've been pushing this show.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. I've watched where you came from.
Speaker 1: I remember the phone calls that you would call me
Speaker 1: when I lived in my apartment over there, and you
Speaker 1: would call me frustrated and flame. They're not gonna see me.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna let me in because of my past.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, girl, that ship gonna disappear,
Speaker 1: you let that go and just keep pushing forward. You
Speaker 1: kept pushing for BIT. You pushed forward to TV. Do
Speaker 1: you know that you are on Network TV? Bitch? And
Speaker 1: I don't think people get it flame. Listen. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to tell your business, but every time they're ready
Speaker 1: to pay, you get paid. Every time you stop telling
Speaker 1: my business, stop watching it. But really quickly though, I
Speaker 1: do want to say, though, I don't think that that's
Speaker 1: just you guys, transistors not really supporting you guys and
Speaker 1: you know, lifting each other up. I think that's honestly,
Speaker 1: women across the board. We kind of have a stereotype
Speaker 1: where sometimes we like to kind of just tear each
Speaker 1: other down. And I think that's across the board. It's
Speaker 1: just not even women. Now that we're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: let's do it. The LGBT community as a whole, A
Speaker 1: lot of the gay men and not all, but a
Speaker 1: lot of the gay men, as much as they live
Speaker 1: for the trans girls vicariously through them, they don't want
Speaker 1: to see them succeed. They want to They would much
Speaker 1: rather say, oh, you know she's someone so, or like
Speaker 1: somebody see Maddie for the first time on her show
Speaker 1: Thursday and don't know Maddie's passed before before they could
Speaker 1: just say, well, I like her, I like her spirit,
Speaker 1: I like her personality. Some gay boy in the room
Speaker 1: and I'm not all the time, but I'm saying what
Speaker 1: the funk I said because I know from experience, will
Speaker 1: bust I say, you know she a man, or she
Speaker 1: knows she used to be a prostitute or whatever. What
Speaker 1: What did you gain from that? This is what? When?
Speaker 1: What do you guys gain from that? Outing somebody or
Speaker 1: putting somebody on blast, putting another And Maddie is a
Speaker 1: possible girl, Maddie get a possible face. I ain't passively
Speaker 1: tell what they No. No, I don't need the pass
Speaker 1: because when you're get in my bed, you need to
Speaker 1: know that sticks don't look like songs to baby. Sticks
Speaker 1: and songs may make your bones, but this none and
Speaker 1: a half gonna make you feel good. I just want
Speaker 1: you to know. Ship you go look at that. I
Speaker 1: love my legs. Dad. I'm sorry, were supposed to elevate
Speaker 1: the show. You ever claime, dude. This is what makes
Speaker 1: it so we're good like this, This is us. They
Speaker 1: love this type of stuff like I love people that
Speaker 1: love this type of stuff because I I can't be
Speaker 1: nobody but me and I love that. We joke Flame
Speaker 1: and I have always joked about genitalal you. We've always
Speaker 1: talked about um. We've always had our differences on on
Speaker 1: on what trans means and what woman woman means, and
Speaker 1: and we still love each other, boots, like that's just
Speaker 1: what it is. You know, even even even Crag that
Speaker 1: I'm here the comment section, U uh flames, you say,
Speaker 1: Craig with his new boyfriend. I used sea Craig on
Speaker 1: that listen. I hope, I hope, I hope when we
Speaker 1: get a season too, that I'm able to marry Craig.
Speaker 1: I want him to get married to his man child.
Speaker 1: You know, Craig knew I was gonna say. I know
Speaker 1: you ain't a Mary Craig what you were praying that?
Speaker 1: You know? I said, I want to marry him. I
Speaker 1: want to get my certificate so I can marry the children.
Speaker 1: How you mean the minister. Yes, let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: Miss Mary, ms Mary. That could be Miss Mary's business.
Speaker 1: This Maryica married people and then cook the dinner form
Speaker 1: and everything. Come. It's Mary asking burn up in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: All she needed a chair, y'all give this marry a
Speaker 1: chair bit to you and Trump. I need to do
Speaker 1: it because I need to be the one. Because Craig
Speaker 1: talking about something. Craig really tried to dissect the way
Speaker 1: how my life is about love, you know, because he's
Speaker 1: gullible for love. That's not that he is. He ain't
Speaker 1: never been nobody else. He never been a hole. He's
Speaker 1: only been a husband's mistress. So you know now he
Speaker 1: don't gay that up and he read it to be
Speaker 1: he read it okay for love and all the wrong places.
Speaker 1: I am. I want to be married and all that
Speaker 1: by two. So I'm gonna figure it out. Matty. I
Speaker 1: would love I would love to see you have a
Speaker 1: love interest on this show season two. That would be hilarious.
Speaker 1: I would love to see you handing out roses each weekend.
Speaker 1: You said you don't know what it is you're looking for,
Speaker 1: and you can be hard to love that. I think
Speaker 1: it is up to the right man to earn that love.
Speaker 1: He needs to show you how he can step up.
Speaker 1: And what better coach or partner? And all this an
Speaker 1: Tiffany holler, right, because that would that Well, the question
Speaker 1: is are you open though? Are you open to that?
Speaker 1: Because Craig so he want to go out there and
Speaker 1: find me a man, but you know I trust him
Speaker 1: not finding me a man, because he would have man.
Speaker 1: And Cuig is faithful lord, and he don't mean, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. You're gonna find you a man
Speaker 1: and be detested the waters to let you know what
Speaker 1: I do that go to do Craig like that he
Speaker 1: is faithful. Uh, look that he's all topped. He is
Speaker 1: topping during the whole relationship. Okay, let me take this
Speaker 1: week and hold on, wait a minute, we went were
Speaker 1: taking weeks because you know a girl, Can I ask
Speaker 1: you a question, is is Regina doing your makeup on
Speaker 1: the show? Yes, Reginna is doing my makeup on the show. Yes,
Speaker 1: so so so my makeup Stephen, Stephen Barry is doing
Speaker 1: my makeup like because you know, we gotta like, we
Speaker 1: gotta get COVID tested and we gotta rotate that stuff out.
Speaker 1: So I got a good team in there. Um um,
Speaker 1: Austin is doing my hair. Whitney's doing my hair like
Speaker 1: you know. So I oh, and let me say this.
Speaker 1: It was imperative before I even started taking the show,
Speaker 1: Before I what I sold the show to World of Wondering.
Speaker 1: World of Wonder and I got into bed with each other.
Speaker 1: It was important for me to make sure that I'd
Speaker 1: explained to the World of Wonder that I need my
Speaker 1: crew to be Black and Brown and lb G T
Speaker 1: two and women. I need that because all that all
Speaker 1: that minority on anything that's minority. I need that working
Speaker 1: on my motherfucking staff because then we know how to
Speaker 1: tell a story. We know how to tell an underground story.
Speaker 1: We know how to we know how we need to
Speaker 1: look up under the lights. You know. Now, I love
Speaker 1: I love v H one and I love RuPaul's Drag Grace.
Speaker 1: But bitch, my makeup was sitting before I went and
Speaker 1: sat down. Now, you know that lighting be something else.
Speaker 1: My show was lit so well. I gotta give a
Speaker 1: shout out to my two to the DP. He's a
Speaker 1: straight guy. His name is Jamal Simmons. Jamal made sure
Speaker 1: that we were colored colored right like it looks. You've
Speaker 1: seen it together. You know what, Maddie, I watched you
Speaker 1: on RuPaul's Drag rac A two weeks ago, and you
Speaker 1: know I don't watch the show. It's not that I
Speaker 1: don't support RuPaul. I think RuPaul has done something, may
Speaker 1: see things. I just want her to have some trans
Speaker 1: women on the show. That's one of my issues. But
Speaker 1: that's a whole another show. How instrumental in getting you
Speaker 1: this show was she and helping you get this show. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: Rude could have leaned over because you know, World of Wonders,
Speaker 1: who it's who got Who's who produces RuPaul's drag Race?
Speaker 1: And they were they've been producing all the things that
Speaker 1: that are Rude Rue Paul. So she could have been
Speaker 1: a diva and said, girl, I want to run that
Speaker 1: bit up out of here. You know that could have happened.
Speaker 1: She could have She could have pulled that, But she's
Speaker 1: always pulled me in like I was supposed to have
Speaker 1: been a judge on drag Race before, Like time and
Speaker 1: timing didn't work, but it all fell in look at God.
Speaker 1: It all fell into look at God, Look at God?
Speaker 1: Like who wanted you know, one of the contestants, did
Speaker 1: you as a character, Silky Ganas, did you as a
Speaker 1: character in the whole little when the they call it
Speaker 1: the Yeah she was good. Yeah, I listen. My show
Speaker 1: airs on March the four, and I'll be back on
Speaker 1: drag Race on March the fifth. But you see how
Speaker 1: God works, Like who knew that the timing would have been?
Speaker 1: We didn't know of what this stuff with tim and
Speaker 1: you know, you doing a television show, you don't know
Speaker 1: where this area gotta be entited. All of this stuff
Speaker 1: felt right in the path of what I needed to do.
Speaker 1: Like people like, oh, well, you ain't never gonna be
Speaker 1: on drag Race. It was not about me never being
Speaker 1: And it was like it needed to line up with
Speaker 1: my television show, me being on We the Bitch, I'm
Speaker 1: on we TV and VAH one at the same damn time,
Speaker 1: at the same time your own words. Back at you,
Speaker 1: look at God, look at him. And I remember you
Speaker 1: called I remember you calling me six years ago when
Speaker 1: I was living at two forty four. You clid and
Speaker 1: I was in the backyard barbecue and something. You was like, flame,
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated they're not gonna let me in. And I said, man,
Speaker 1: you got to let all that go. That's your pass
Speaker 1: or you can't worry about that. You just gotta keep
Speaker 1: you because you know, I kept I kept working and
Speaker 1: and they're kept being no. It was it was it
Speaker 1: was no, It was no. It was no. It was no,
Speaker 1: like it was like it's been no for about ten years.
Speaker 1: But all of them knows, Maddie, when you get that
Speaker 1: one yes, it makes all of them nose disappear the wayside.
Speaker 1: It makes it your testimony, and it makes you really
Speaker 1: stand back and look at the timing of stuff like
Speaker 1: it makes you look at the timing like God was
Speaker 1: not ready for me to be in those in that place.
Speaker 1: Right then, God was not ready for me. He just
Speaker 1: was not ready. He's ready for me to do whatever
Speaker 1: it is that he wants me to do. He's ready
Speaker 1: for me to do it. Now. Now is the time
Speaker 1: he ready for me to do it. T S, I
Speaker 1: know that you are proud Florida girl, and now you're
Speaker 1: living in Atlanta, Georgia. Shows like this often seemed to
Speaker 1: pull people west. Is that something we need to possibly
Speaker 1: look out for in season two? Could they uproot t
Speaker 1: Us and convince her to be an l A girl? Um, listen,
Speaker 1: if the money right, I would definitely the money's right,
Speaker 1: I would definitely head over there. Uh, head over there
Speaker 1: to the guy Damnum, to the l A baby and
Speaker 1: tear and tear down on the compound, eat it up.
Speaker 1: If anybody ever had any doubt whether you was my
Speaker 1: sister or not, but you answered that question perfectly. When
Speaker 1: the money is right, I used to I tell him,
Speaker 1: we used to sell Dick and TV's on the streets.
Speaker 1: We now sell it on stage, baby, when the money
Speaker 1: is right. The question used to be are you dating?
Speaker 1: Are you going out? It's still the same thing. It's
Speaker 1: just with a contract. Now are you dating? Right? I
Speaker 1: love the right. That's right, baby. If the cash is right,
Speaker 1: I will be an l a baby. I listen, I'll
Speaker 1: bring this mayor right over there withmen. She'll learned how
Speaker 1: to dosmss mary wisms. She and there watching the show.
Speaker 1: I hear she ain't got no hair on one, and
Speaker 1: Mama said, hey the flame, Hello, my live flame. Helly.
Speaker 1: Every time this was saying, I go to talking about
Speaker 1: a script so I stayed back. You know what, we
Speaker 1: always have time for scripture on this show. Always, Miss,
Speaker 1: you want to share with us, You can share a
Speaker 1: scripture if you give me a plate, right, I want
Speaker 1: a plate to go with it. Though, Miss, I ain't
Speaker 1: put the day flame. I didn't. I didn't head, but
Speaker 1: but you you were spoused to come back. And I
Speaker 1: had went home and I brought a home bag because
Speaker 1: you came by that here what I made here, I
Speaker 1: can't find it. So I went home and I bought
Speaker 1: a big bag and I brought it back and you
Speaker 1: never came back. But you know it's coronavirus. De coronavirus.
Speaker 1: When the corona is over, I'm coming to the new,
Speaker 1: to the new chateau, and give me some south to meet.
Speaker 1: You gotta let me, you know, I don't mind, because
Speaker 1: I want all y'all. This is what this is. This
Speaker 1: is my game from everything, how many and my baby
Speaker 1: like I have told this shot over and over. You
Speaker 1: run your business. White people run their mouths and your work.
Speaker 1: Let you work speak for you. Ain't gotta talk you
Speaker 1: don't you know you don't go that. I'm speaking this
Speaker 1: to anybody out dere Let your work speak for you,
Speaker 1: not you. Because everything happening God time whatever it may
Speaker 1: not happen when you want it. Sometime we get impatient,
Speaker 1: we try to jump ahead of God and we mess
Speaker 1: things up. But if you just can't go through because
Speaker 1: there's something God trying to teach you through the process
Speaker 1: of what you're going through, So you gotta wait it
Speaker 1: out and then keep your mouth off of other people
Speaker 1: because the tongue your the Bible telling you. And I'm
Speaker 1: gone because I know this will get aggivated with me.
Speaker 1: Life and death is in the power of the tongue.
Speaker 1: You have to keep your tongue people, because Maddie, keep
Speaker 1: your tongue off for people it's married. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question. Are we gonna have these kind of
Speaker 1: lessons on the show, Maddie, We're gonna get these kind
Speaker 1: of lessons waiting understand that somebody needed that, right, somebody
Speaker 1: somebody needs Missen. I told the people when they when
Speaker 1: when I was asked to be a part of this,
Speaker 1: I told them, if I can't speak about my guide
Speaker 1: and ain't no need for me on them her, to
Speaker 1: come on here and talk about my purpose, my whole
Speaker 1: thing with me and my child relationship. This what y'all
Speaker 1: seeing now ain't always been. God has grown me and
Speaker 1: taught me how to step out of myself and learn
Speaker 1: how to look at other Stop looking at you know
Speaker 1: what you're feeling. You gotta step out of the bicile
Speaker 1: time and look around and see how would you feel
Speaker 1: if you was in that same place. Because we all
Speaker 1: considered run our mouth and say people boring like this,
Speaker 1: people this, and people that you don't know what that
Speaker 1: person is actually walking through until you walk through it yourself.
Speaker 1: We can all sit and say this and that. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions, so I'm gonna let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question, and taping this show, did you
Speaker 1: find out a lot about our relationship? We we found
Speaker 1: out a lot, and we found out something that we
Speaker 1: never had talked about that I always felt you. I
Speaker 1: m hmm. There's a lot of things in this show
Speaker 1: that came out that learned and the one thing I
Speaker 1: learned that you walked through. Let me get off film
Speaker 1: you walk through. This is what kid? I say, this
Speaker 1: flame on your show good? You don't come on with it.
Speaker 1: If they're any parents out there and you have children
Speaker 1: that are going through these struggles of learning, they just
Speaker 1: what what gender identity? Make a space. I am a Christian.
Speaker 1: I love God first. Before I was a Christian, I
Speaker 1: was a mother. I'm a mother. Make room. And it's also,
Speaker 1: don't just go for children that's going through genderal identity
Speaker 1: because what I see in the church that bothers me
Speaker 1: so much. There's so many things go on the church
Speaker 1: that I do not like, I don't agree with, but
Speaker 1: I ain't nobody. But make a space with your children
Speaker 1: if they're dealing with something, make a space where they
Speaker 1: can have a comfortable place where they can come and
Speaker 1: talk and share what they're going through in their emotion.
Speaker 1: Because when I look back at my child, when I
Speaker 1: learned through this show and through as we don't been
Speaker 1: through talking with one another, when I learned through this
Speaker 1: to my much walked through a lot of pain. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You know, miss man. We love that raw emotion. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. If this is the kind
Speaker 1: of ship we're gonna get on the show, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: ready for I'm excited about it because I'm telling you
Speaker 1: these messages or read to some kids, Miss Mary, Don't
Speaker 1: you want you apologize for that? Don't you ever apologize
Speaker 1: or being honest about who you are, how you feel
Speaker 1: about your kids? Beautiful thing. Pain that I didn't know
Speaker 1: my child was going through. I didn't understand. But child
Speaker 1: walked away from me, and I didn't know I was
Speaker 1: going through somebody hang. I didn't understand what was going on.
Speaker 1: What happened who never gave me no trouble to bull
Speaker 1: game became teenage and going through I guess that's my
Speaker 1: bood was trying to find out what Boo was dealing with.
Speaker 1: And by me being in the church, I guess the
Speaker 1: age you've been taughting me being taught in the church.
Speaker 1: I didn't make the space for my child to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to me because my child felt that
Speaker 1: you didn't want to come me right when we talked
Speaker 1: about it, and you didn't want me to go through
Speaker 1: that pain. But the pain that I went throughout the
Speaker 1: finding out with me and my child did talk. The
Speaker 1: pain that I felt is when I found out all
Speaker 1: the pain my child was walking around, all those battles,
Speaker 1: my child was walking around batting by himself. That hurt.
Speaker 1: It be more anything because I always wanted to be
Speaker 1: a place for my child could come and pull out
Speaker 1: whatever they're going through. And now with what's going on
Speaker 1: right now, I might have won there then in a
Speaker 1: way that my child needed me then. But I want
Speaker 1: my child to know that I'll hear with you until now,
Speaker 1: until the day that well you guess one missed me.
Speaker 1: Are You never stopped playing for your baby, even if
Speaker 1: you felt some kind of way, you never stopped playing.
Speaker 1: The players work. Look look when y'all are now the
Speaker 1: prayers worked. Yeah, I ain't got a play. I'm praying
Speaker 1: that you could be a pig the whole day to
Speaker 1: get out of y'all come and say a couple say
Speaker 1: I come and take over. Got Miss Mary. Thank you. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll be loud. We're talking about the things in the show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, miss Mary, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 1: that testimony. Miss Mary. I'll come to get my pig
Speaker 1: lady's buddy then it carros out there. Don't throw your
Speaker 1: children away. They set you. What I did that didn't
Speaker 1: change who your child was. That still your child. Because
Speaker 1: when I go through in flame, you don't see me
Speaker 1: battering what I'm battering through in my life right now
Speaker 1: with this lumatory athritis. It's stuff, and my children helped
Speaker 1: been my source of help, and this one has been
Speaker 1: what ellbody need. Miss Mary. You raised you raised a
Speaker 1: good son. Good you're a good son. Man. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get out of y'all conversation. You ab I down, and
Speaker 1: I want y'all to know. My thing is from this
Speaker 1: show too, is that I want everybody to know I
Speaker 1: don't care what to that done, how many times you'd
Speaker 1: not done it, who you're not done it with? Jesus
Speaker 1: still loves you. Thank you, Miss Mary. Yeah, Maddie, all
Speaker 1: the black blessings. Girl. You came back at you came
Speaker 1: back at I just I just want to say this
Speaker 1: I think just hearing that snippet, I hope everybody that's
Speaker 1: tuned in right now goes and really watches your show
Speaker 1: because I think more so that's going to help heal
Speaker 1: a lot of black families that don't understand the various
Speaker 1: dynamics that you know, different family members may have. It
Speaker 1: will break down some stigma and hopefully it'll really breed
Speaker 1: some more inclusive and just open conversations. So I love
Speaker 1: everything that your mother just said because I think that
Speaker 1: might be an eye opener for a lot of black
Speaker 1: families to understand what their children may be going through.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much to your mother, because that's
Speaker 1: going to like a lot of this stuff happening. And
Speaker 1: we we we don't necessarily one thing. One thing we
Speaker 1: didn't do that we haven't been doing is really digging
Speaker 1: back into the past. So when we get to this
Speaker 1: situation here for the show, we gotta dig into the pad,
Speaker 1: like we gotta dig into that and then when when
Speaker 1: when when you start picking at it, it opens up
Speaker 1: all wounds. And so we started having these conversations and
Speaker 1: Craig was there. Craig was a part of the conversation
Speaker 1: and also trying to navigate. You know, me and miss
Speaker 1: married through I don't know. I hope that scene, but
Speaker 1: it was many things like that that have it with
Speaker 1: us on the show because we were picking at old
Speaker 1: things that that that opened up. But it was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like I didn't, I didn't really want
Speaker 1: to talk about that stuff. Like I didn't, I ain't
Speaker 1: wanna do it. You know what I'm saying, But I
Speaker 1: had to. I am I'm Floorida. But you know, me
Speaker 1: and your mom when I first got to the house,
Speaker 1: you didn't even come downstairs when I came to tip
Speaker 1: your show for about an hour, Me and your mom
Speaker 1: sat downstairs and talked amongst ourselves for about an hour,
Speaker 1: which was great. I know who your mother is, I
Speaker 1: know the relationship that you have. I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 1: it's going to heal a lot of wounds. It's going
Speaker 1: to heal a lot of woms. Yeah, you're gonna make
Speaker 1: us laugh. You're gonna make us laugh and learn. Like
Speaker 1: the show, you'll make us laugh well learned. But what
Speaker 1: we're going to do now is it's gonna make people
Speaker 1: accept The acceptance level will be different because people will
Speaker 1: see this child mother loves her for who she is
Speaker 1: the next person's mother gonna love and for who they are.
Speaker 1: It's going to open up a lot of as man,
Speaker 1: and I gotta answer my sister question. He asked to me,
Speaker 1: like people's asked me on many occasions, why have I
Speaker 1: not dropped the ts UM. It's also a part. It's
Speaker 1: a part of my whole structure, you know. And I
Speaker 1: I trade market. It's mine, I own it. I own
Speaker 1: t S Madison, And um, I just feel like that
Speaker 1: it's a brand now. It's Maddie, Maddie. It's not just
Speaker 1: me saying ts MASS. It's a brand now and I
Speaker 1: own that. And and and my thing is the t
Speaker 1: S don't even mean what it used to be. It
Speaker 1: don't mean transsexual medicine number. It mean trend set of Madison.
Speaker 1: You trend set of Madison right there. It means talk
Speaker 1: show man show Madison. It means all of that stuff
Speaker 1: to me, So you know, and and that's that's just
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't. Um, I haven't. I haven't a
Speaker 1: dropped the t S yet because I wouldn't have the
Speaker 1: t S massive experience. Thank you. You know your mom, man,
Speaker 1: your Maddie mob is like to be have. Now. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, Baby, somebody say something bad about T. S. Madison. Baby.
Speaker 1: The Maddy mom is ready to take the heads off,
Speaker 1: So y'all better walk a real thin land. But on
Speaker 1: March to fourth, on the we TV network, The T. S.
Speaker 1: Masson Experience will be airing at ten pm Eastern Standard time,
Speaker 1: seven piece pm Pacific Setard time, nine pm Central Standard time. Maddy,
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch the show because we want the T. S.
Speaker 1: Madison Experience to be something that is a household brand
Speaker 1: and name, and we wanted to be talked amongst everybody.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about as much as we can before
Speaker 1: doing and after the show. Laugh and learn over here.
Speaker 1: This staff over here, Lorn Hogan, they Smith myself. We
Speaker 1: just want to say heads off to you and your
Speaker 1: crew for doing it were I want to thank you
Speaker 1: all for having me today. It was good. And then
Speaker 1: then you called from this marriage. She came out of
Speaker 1: the room. It's Sunday. Somebody needed that church sermon, Baby,
Speaker 1: I need it. I take it. It wasn't a scripture,
Speaker 1: but it was a word for sure. T. S. Each day,
Speaker 1: each time we have a show, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the title of that show will be and your
Speaker 1: mother gave us the title of today's show, Let your
Speaker 1: work speak for you. That kind of encompasses everything. Maddie.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for you. Thursday March Part we TV The T. S.
Speaker 1: Maddison Experience with Craig Stewart, Oliver Mo che Che, Mary, Mama, Mary,
Speaker 1: Um it is. It is gonna be you of me.
Speaker 1: It's going to be uh, something that you've never seen,
Speaker 1: which you always give you a chance because it's something
Speaker 1: that we've never seen. So we're gonna sit back. Any
Speaker 1: young trands out there, any young people out there that's unsure,
Speaker 1: watch the show to help you find yourself. Watch this
Speaker 1: show to help you find yourself, because that's what Mandy're
Speaker 1: gonna do. She'll help you find your Hell, I'm still
Speaker 1: trying to look at my pants to find myself right now.
Speaker 1: I've seen you. What was in your pantis That thing
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get lost anyway. Maddie, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed you as always. You look beautiful. We're excited
Speaker 1: for the mass experience and we all be watching over here.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you guys very much, thank you, congratulations.
Speaker 1: Good luck to tell everybody on the crew, I said,
Speaker 1: hey Thursday, Mattie. Thank you so much, Lady Jim. That
Speaker 1: was the t s. Madison Honey. You guys have to
Speaker 1: watch the show on Thursday. Thank you guys for joining
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Speaker 1: We take Laugh and Learn usually on the Monday, but
Speaker 1: it was a special edition time. Thank you guys for
Speaker 1: joining us because Maddie was not available tomorrow. She just
Speaker 1: told you she had a big, big interview. Huge, But
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch the show because we appreciate it. I
Speaker 1: know you gotta go Pete Nickolas Nicklas because he can't
Speaker 1: hold us that he owed, But we appreciate you, guys,
Speaker 1: and we thank you so much. And that laugh and
Speaker 1: learn if we have a motto, and I'm gonna We're
Speaker 1: not trying to get you to change your mind. We
Speaker 1: are simply trying to get you to use your mind.
Speaker 1: And in order to use your mind, you have to
Speaker 1: have a mind. To you, I'm telling you ain't gonna man,
Speaker 1: y'all slow, But we thank you guys, love lounge tonight,
Speaker 1: I will see you all in Chicago. Peace. Laugh and
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