WEBVTT - SMNTY Classics: SMNTY (Doesn't) Go Method 0:00:05.300 --> 0:00:05.960 Hey, this is Annie. 0:00:06.500 --> 0:00:07.110 And Samantha. 0:00:07.370 --> 0:00:09.329 And welcome to Stuff Never Told You, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:18.670 --> 0:00:22.850 And today we are bringing back a classic happy hour 0:00:23.410 --> 0:00:27.850 that was very much me venting about something that annoys 0:00:27.870 --> 0:00:32.589 me greatly, and it's method acting. And there are a 0:00:32.590 --> 0:00:34.150 couple of reasons I wanted to bring this one back. 0:00:35.229 --> 0:00:39.050 One is we just had the Emmys. That just happened. 0:00:39.090 --> 0:00:43.710 So it was awards season. It came up in a 0:00:43.830 --> 0:00:48.310 conversation with Samantha and I about Jared Leto and the 0:00:48.770 --> 0:00:52.390 Joker and all that. But also I had a friend 0:00:52.409 --> 0:00:58.630 that sent me a reel of Kristen Stewart talking about this. 0:00:59.910 --> 0:01:01.890 And she had a really interesting take that we didn't 0:01:02.270 --> 0:01:13.610 get into here. But her opinion is that a lot 0:01:13.650 --> 0:01:16.350 of male actors who do this like to present it 0:01:16.430 --> 0:01:19.360 as some kind of thing that is untouchable, unreachable, like 0:01:19.420 --> 0:01:20.300 they have to do. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.319 I don't know. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.360 She gave her a lot of great examples, but it 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.320 was something like this many push-ups and punch themselves in 0:01:27.340 --> 0:01:29.560 the face and do all this stuff because you could 0:01:29.620 --> 0:01:38.980 not possibly achieve their genius. When ultimately, being an actor, acting, 0:01:39.060 --> 0:01:42.160 is a very vulnerable, emotional thing, which is something that 0:01:42.260 --> 0:01:47.060 men kind of try to stay away from. And so, 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:51.360 and she even used the word embarrassing. Like, it's embarrassing sometimes. 0:01:52.340 --> 0:01:56.910 And they don't want that. They want to be the 0:01:57.210 --> 0:01:59.750 only one who can do this. And look how tough 0:01:59.830 --> 0:02:02.130 I am. And that's why I can have this emotional, 0:02:02.170 --> 0:02:04.760 vulnerable scene, which... If you could just get in touch 0:02:04.780 --> 0:02:06.770 with your emotions. Right. 0:02:07.170 --> 0:02:09.329 You should be able to do that. It pretty much 0:02:09.389 --> 0:02:12.470 says it's only men. It's basically just men who did this. 0:02:12.510 --> 0:02:16.450 And that's not actually true. There are others who have 0:02:16.490 --> 0:02:20.080 come out and been like, but this person. But interestingly, 0:02:20.180 --> 0:02:22.280 her counterpart, and I think of him as a counterpart, 0:02:22.660 --> 0:02:26.120 Robert Pattinson, actually said, you never see them method acting 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:26.740 a good guy. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:31.810 Ooh, that is a good point. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 0:02:31.820 --> 0:02:31.940 Yeah. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.600 So there could be like some wanting to put it 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.739 like a distance there or like have like a real 0:02:39.100 --> 0:02:40.660 tough edge or something. 0:02:40.980 --> 0:02:41.340 Right. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.260 But I mean, that's true. And we do talk about 0:02:44.300 --> 0:02:47.190 that in this episode is that a lot of women 0:02:47.230 --> 0:02:49.610 actors have come out and said, you know, I can't 0:02:50.250 --> 0:02:55.169 show up to pick up my kids like still in character. 0:02:55.350 --> 0:02:55.710 Right. 0:02:55.750 --> 0:02:58.010 That's just not a thing I can do. 0:03:00.230 --> 0:03:00.730 Exactly. 0:03:01.130 --> 0:03:05.310 Yes. Yeah. So you can hear my rants. I'm not 0:03:05.350 --> 0:03:16.930 a fan in this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie. 0:03:17.090 --> 0:03:17.690 And Samantha. 0:03:17.850 --> 0:03:19.329 And welcome to Stuff I've Never Told You, a production 0:03:19.350 --> 0:03:32.370 by HeartRadio. and welcome to another edition of happy hour 0:03:32.530 --> 0:03:36.230 as always if you choose to drink or whatever you're 0:03:36.250 --> 0:03:40.000 doing please do so responsibly what are you doing samantha 0:03:40.060 --> 0:03:41.660 are you doing it responsibly. 0:03:41.550 --> 0:03:45.020 Always, because I get sleepy. I just love how I'm 0:03:45.100 --> 0:03:48.020 now into the point of adulthood where I'm like, I 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.119 don't party anymore. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.370 Really, I never really party. Let's be very honest. But 0:03:52.410 --> 0:03:54.250 I barely do any of that. 0:03:54.450 --> 0:03:57.010 I went to clubs for a short span of time 0:03:57.030 --> 0:03:58.110 because I do love dancing. 0:03:58.250 --> 0:03:59.350 I do love dancing. 0:03:59.570 --> 0:04:02.780 And now my clubbing is Zumba classes with the other 40, 50-year-olds, 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:03.960 and we get into it. 0:04:04.410 --> 0:04:05.150 Just so you know. 0:04:05.690 --> 0:04:09.190 Anyway, but yes, I'm drinking coffee because I am tired 0:04:09.290 --> 0:04:11.330 and it feels groggy and it's cold again. 0:04:11.350 --> 0:04:13.170 Why is it cold for the dear love of God? 0:04:13.190 --> 0:04:19.170 It is very cold here. And I, oh, I made 0:04:19.210 --> 0:04:23.289 the mistake of turning off my radiator because it was hot. 0:04:23.310 --> 0:04:24.570 It was warm for a while. 0:04:25.950 --> 0:04:28.270 I'm really worried about that radiator, to be honest. 0:04:28.310 --> 0:04:32.680 I am too. We have a very adversarial relationship, me 0:04:32.710 --> 0:04:35.900 and this radiator. But now it's steaming up so much, 0:04:36.940 --> 0:04:40.380 I can't see out my windows. And this morning, a 0:04:40.420 --> 0:04:42.360 friend of mine texted me and she's like, it's snowing 0:04:42.380 --> 0:04:44.120 where I am. And I was trying to look out 0:04:44.140 --> 0:04:46.420 the window. I was like, I can't tell. I'm too 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.610 cold to go outside. So we'll never know. I am 0:04:50.950 --> 0:04:54.230 drinking wine because today it's a * * * * * * wine. 0:04:55.890 --> 0:04:58.470 And I want to make this clear at the top. 0:04:59.410 --> 0:05:04.020 This is my opinion. This is my personal opinion. Okay. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.980 And I might ruffle some feathers in the acting community 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:11.760 if we've got any actors listening. But, all right. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.810 Are you really doing something, huh? I feel like that 0:05:14.820 --> 0:05:18.450 was such a big warning. I love drama. 0:05:18.490 --> 0:05:19.410 Let's do this team. 0:05:19.430 --> 0:05:21.930 Oh, my gosh. I've gotten into so many arguments with 0:05:21.970 --> 0:05:22.850 other actors about this. 0:05:23.350 --> 0:05:23.570 All right. 0:05:23.610 --> 0:05:28.529 So it is awards season. as we record this and 0:05:28.610 --> 0:05:31.849 i also want to say it does feel strange um 0:05:31.930 --> 0:05:34.450 i think my monday mini upcoming will be about this 0:05:34.529 --> 0:05:36.450 kind of but it feels strange to talk about this 0:05:36.470 --> 0:05:38.380 when it feels like the world is falling apart but 0:05:38.390 --> 0:05:40.800 we're going to talk about it um so it is 0:05:40.940 --> 0:05:45.140 award season coming up and um i've had this in 0:05:45.180 --> 0:05:48.120 my on my list of possible happy hour topics for 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.760 a while but this was a ways back uh natalie 0:05:51.810 --> 0:05:54.630 portman made this comment where she said method acting is 0:05:54.690 --> 0:05:59.290 a luxury that women can't have. And she was mostly 0:05:59.350 --> 0:06:04.470 commenting on how women are still expected to do a 0:06:04.510 --> 0:06:07.230 lot more domestic work and especially raising kids. So she 0:06:07.250 --> 0:06:08.950 was saying like, I can't show up at the pickup, 0:06:09.630 --> 0:06:12.870 like covered in blood or whatever. I was like, thank you, 0:06:12.950 --> 0:06:14.510 someone finally said that. 0:06:14.550 --> 0:06:16.550 Right, right. 0:06:17.610 --> 0:06:19.110 I will get into it, but I've got a lot 0:06:19.130 --> 0:06:21.850 of thoughts about method actors. Some of them are very 0:06:21.910 --> 0:06:26.760 good and have produced really good performances. I will break 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.440 it down in a minute. But I've always kind of 0:06:30.980 --> 0:06:38.140 had an issue with it. And I know for people, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.590 I think you know what method acting is. It's when 0:06:41.350 --> 0:06:46.590 someone like, quote, becomes that character. And they ask people 0:06:46.610 --> 0:06:49.050 to call them by that name. Like a lot of 0:06:49.089 --> 0:06:52.089 stuff like that. I do want to differentiate between that 0:06:52.230 --> 0:06:55.070 and doing your research. I think doing the research part 0:06:55.110 --> 0:06:58.450 is good. Like going to work at a factory for 0:06:58.589 --> 0:07:00.770 a month or whatever, as long as you're not a 0:07:00.810 --> 0:07:05.310 total jackass about it. I think that's good. I got 0:07:05.330 --> 0:07:09.610 a lot of thoughts about this. But that's different than 0:07:09.650 --> 0:07:12.240 what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Jared Leto is 0:07:12.250 --> 0:07:14.780 like one of the most famous examples of recent times. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:15.620 Oh, yeah. 0:07:16.220 --> 0:07:18.560 When he was in Suicide Squad, he was in there 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:24.740 for 10 minutes, by the way. He basically... just harassed 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.320 the rest of the cast he had like a assistant 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.590 that would sneak into their dressing rooms and put things 0:07:31.650 --> 0:07:35.850 like rats or used condoms or fish heads because he's 0:07:35.870 --> 0:07:38.730 playing the joker and he was like it adds a 0:07:38.770 --> 0:07:41.130 level that's what the joker does it adds a level 0:07:41.170 --> 0:07:45.100 of surprise and a lot okay a lot of the 0:07:45.140 --> 0:07:47.400 other actors have spoken about it and said it made 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:52.200 them feel really uncomfortable makes sense He's kind of said 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.660 it's been over exaggerated. I am leaning more toward he 0:07:55.700 --> 0:07:59.220 probably did do that. But, you know, I wasn't there. 0:07:59.580 --> 0:08:00.140 I don't know. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.160 But that's what I'm talking about. That kind of behavior 0:08:03.220 --> 0:08:08.630 is what I'm talking about. I just feel that as 0:08:08.690 --> 0:08:16.330 a viewer of something, I can have the capacity to know, okay, 0:08:16.910 --> 0:08:18.950 you're the Joker and you're a good actor and I'm 0:08:18.990 --> 0:08:22.490 scared of you. But I actually appreciate this more because 0:08:22.550 --> 0:08:24.770 I know as a human being, you're not that. You 0:08:24.790 --> 0:08:26.550 know what I mean? Right, right. Like, I have the 0:08:26.590 --> 0:08:29.790 capacity to differentiate between those two things. 0:08:29.970 --> 0:08:30.230 Right. 0:08:30.290 --> 0:08:32.250 You don't have to convince me you are the Joker. 0:08:32.770 --> 0:08:36.170 If you do, you've really freaked me out more than 0:08:36.210 --> 0:08:38.850 I think you wanted to. You can be a good 0:08:38.990 --> 0:08:42.290 actor and not convince me that, like, maybe you shouldn't 0:08:42.370 --> 0:08:44.270 be allowed near people. 0:08:44.470 --> 0:08:45.650 Like, there's a difference. 0:08:45.670 --> 0:08:45.990 Right. 0:08:46.010 --> 0:08:47.550 There's a difference. Right. 0:08:48.170 --> 0:08:50.480 I think this all comes back to the understanding that 0:08:50.940 --> 0:08:54.240 if you're good at your craft, you don't have to 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.380 change your personality. It doesn't have to be that way. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.000 It also kind of comes to people who are like, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.770 if you truly do this, then you're truly this. As 0:09:04.850 --> 0:09:07.750 in you're not validated until you're willing to push to 0:09:07.790 --> 0:09:08.490 a boundary. 0:09:08.790 --> 0:09:10.510 That's not healthy. 0:09:12.050 --> 0:09:14.270 No, it's not healthy. And there have been a million 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.810 examples of how it's not healthy before. And there is 0:09:17.850 --> 0:09:22.400 a quote, it's frequently attributed to Laurence Olivier, but I 0:09:22.540 --> 0:09:24.380 don't think it's ever been proven he was like the 0:09:24.540 --> 0:09:27.319 one that said it. But it's, you know, my dear boy, 0:09:27.340 --> 0:09:32.830 have you tried acting? Like, you don't have to do 0:09:32.900 --> 0:09:37.630 these things. And it makes people, not just the other actors, 0:09:37.690 --> 0:09:40.750 it makes people on set uncomfortable. Like one time I 0:09:40.809 --> 0:09:42.910 was working with somebody who said they were a method actor. 0:09:42.929 --> 0:09:48.420 He was playing a rapist. Oh, you know how uncomfortable 0:09:48.540 --> 0:09:50.820 that made everyone. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.720 What does that mean? This method acting? Like, what are 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:54.830 you talking about? 0:09:55.470 --> 0:10:01.000 Exactly. And it's just it's one of those things. where 0:10:01.020 --> 0:10:05.819 I think, and I have, when I was kind of 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.160 lightly researching this, I found a BuzzFeed list, and it 0:10:09.179 --> 0:10:13.650 was like 17 worst examples of method actors. They were 0:10:13.690 --> 0:10:17.390 all white men. And I just feel like if a 0:10:17.470 --> 0:10:23.170 woman or a person of color did this shit, The 0:10:23.230 --> 0:10:26.570 set wouldn't stand for it. They'd be like, she's crazy. 0:10:27.309 --> 0:10:29.780 Get her out of here. Right. But instead it's like, 0:10:30.100 --> 0:10:32.439 look at this genius work. Right. 0:10:33.179 --> 0:10:33.420 What? 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:37.160 I don't know. Did Michael B. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.510 Jordan, did he do, he didn't do method acting for 0:10:40.610 --> 0:10:42.690 Black Panther, right? He said he just isolated himself. 0:10:43.170 --> 0:10:47.950 He he he like went on the streets and isolated himself. Yeah. 0:10:47.990 --> 0:10:49.730 But not necessarily actually full method. 0:10:50.150 --> 0:10:50.340 Right. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.660 Which is I do think there are different degrees of method. Right. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.220 And some of them I'm like, OK, I get that. Yeah. 0:10:56.340 --> 0:10:58.500 That's where it sort of blurs the line between research 0:10:58.540 --> 0:10:59.620 and method to me. Right. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:10:59.939 Right. 0:11:10.570 --> 0:11:13.250 I do think there are some method actors that are 0:11:13.330 --> 0:11:18.990 not as obnoxious and, frankly, kind of terrifying. One example 0:11:19.250 --> 0:11:24.670 is I know a lot of actors who use accents 0:11:24.860 --> 0:11:27.199 all the time. Yeah. So, like, if they're doing an 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.059 American accent and they're not American, they'll just start using 0:11:30.100 --> 0:11:32.260 that accent all the time. I think that's okay. Like, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.900 it would weird me out if I knew the person. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:35.600 Right. 0:11:35.700 --> 0:11:36.920 But I understand that. 0:11:36.940 --> 0:11:44.570 Right. I think Renee Zellweger, she did that because she 0:11:44.610 --> 0:11:47.449 couldn't go in and out really well. And she said, 0:11:47.490 --> 0:11:48.690 if I lose it, I'm going to lose it. So 0:11:48.710 --> 0:11:50.350 I'm just have to keep it the entire time. Like 0:11:50.370 --> 0:11:53.390 she would keep her English accent for Bridget Jones Diary. 0:11:54.210 --> 0:11:57.550 Yes, which I get. That makes sense to me. Yeah. 0:11:58.210 --> 0:12:01.290 I agree it's still a little weird. But it makes sense. 0:12:01.670 --> 0:12:03.880 If I knew you personally and you had an accent, 0:12:03.980 --> 0:12:05.240 I would make fun of you the entire time. 0:12:05.260 --> 0:12:07.640 I would have a hard time not... Like, not because 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:08.860 I'm being mean, but I. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.980 Just think it's hilarious to see you doing the switch up. 0:12:11.580 --> 0:12:16.360 Yeah, it is. It's just odd. But, I mean, another 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:21.530 issue I have with this kind of hardcore method acting 0:12:21.590 --> 0:12:26.570 is it has led to instances of sexual assault and 0:12:26.610 --> 0:12:34.689 physical abuse. Mm-hmm. largely against women because they were method, 0:12:36.470 --> 0:12:43.240 which I just think is ridiculous and unacceptable. And I don't, 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.520 kind of going back to what you were saying, I 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.880 don't think if you had to do that as part 0:12:48.900 --> 0:12:50.940 of a role, it almost feels like an excuse to me. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.640 It just kind of feels like an excuse to act 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.600 like a dick. And in some cases, I think that's 0:12:56.620 --> 0:13:00.460 what it is. In other cases, I think that people 0:13:00.620 --> 0:13:04.060 believe they're pursuing brilliance or whatever, like I'm really going 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.640 to capture this thing. But if that's what it takes, 0:13:07.710 --> 0:13:12.910 then you can go. I don't need your brilliance if 0:13:12.970 --> 0:13:16.849 that's what it takes. And I will, I'm going to 0:13:16.890 --> 0:13:19.790 say here, like actors of all schools can be d * * ks. 0:13:20.390 --> 0:13:23.130 I know this is true. It's not just method actors. 0:13:23.550 --> 0:13:27.230 People who are just famous can be. People have like that. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.800 I'm an artiste vibe can be. But I don't know. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.670 There's something about like. I was reading the examples in 0:13:35.690 --> 0:13:39.370 that BuzzFeed article about how people have done this. This 0:13:39.410 --> 0:13:43.290 just sounds like a jack to me. Right. Right. 0:13:43.750 --> 0:13:46.960 I mean, also, there's a crossover, too, where they really 0:13:47.050 --> 0:13:50.220 say this is for film. And it's so much like 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.840 The Last Tango. I was trying to remember which movie was, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.929 which was Marlon Brando. and they assault a woman on camera. 0:13:58.290 --> 0:14:02.530 And the director and Marlon Brando, the director being, because 0:14:02.550 --> 0:14:04.700 I don't want to just leave one predator name out, 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.720 being Bernardo Bortolucci, they had made this plan not to 0:14:09.780 --> 0:14:11.820 tell her what was going to happen in order to 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:17.059 get her real reactions in order to f * * * her, essentially. 0:14:17.660 --> 0:14:21.140 And the fact that that case is so infamous... And 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.180 the two of them are still revered. Marlon Brando and 0:14:24.220 --> 0:14:27.300 Bortolucci really are just still revered. I think the conversation 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.140 has gotten bigger about it and understanding. But that level, 0:14:31.620 --> 0:14:36.650 it needs to be real conversation, which takes it to 0:14:36.710 --> 0:14:38.490 the point of why? 0:14:38.950 --> 0:14:41.290 What for you? Why? 0:14:41.570 --> 0:14:43.790 What is it doing for you that you need this 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.120 to happen in this route? And it's giving you a 0:14:46.180 --> 0:14:49.200 thrill that you really want to have it on camera. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.110 And I think the same thing with The Shining and 0:14:53.170 --> 0:14:57.070 how they tortured Shelley Duvall. They tortured her because she 0:14:57.130 --> 0:15:00.590 wasn't quote-unquote real enough in her reaction. It's such a 0:15:00.810 --> 0:15:04.760 way that it is white men wanting to torture women. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:10.600 Yeah, and one of the examples the BuzzFeed article gave was, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.320 I'd never heard of this, I'd never seen this movie, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.780 but it was Meryl Streep and Dustin Hoffman. And apparently 0:15:16.870 --> 0:15:20.950 Dustin Hoffman slapped her in a scene. And he wasn't 0:15:21.050 --> 0:15:23.609 supposed to, and he said he did it to get 0:15:23.650 --> 0:15:27.850 her in character. Meryl Streep has won more Oscars than anyone. 0:15:28.170 --> 0:15:30.130 You f * * * ing tell me you need 0:15:30.170 --> 0:15:31.840 to get her in character? 0:15:31.860 --> 0:15:32.920 No. 0:15:32.940 --> 0:15:35.479 They hate each other, right? 0:15:35.700 --> 0:15:38.000 Did I make that up in my head? 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.540 I feel like they really disliked each other and never 0:15:40.580 --> 0:15:43.780 wanted to work with each other again with relevance to 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:44.720 things like that. Maybe? 0:15:44.740 --> 0:15:47.740 I'm going to look it up before I miss it. 0:15:47.780 --> 0:15:48.560 Represent myself here. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.520 But the director apparently told Meryl Streep, like, I'm sorry, 0:15:53.540 --> 0:15:55.940 you didn't need that. And she, like, nailed this scene 0:15:55.980 --> 0:15:59.040 and she nailed the scene as she would have. Right. 0:15:59.420 --> 0:16:02.830 And so it's just so, like, you made it about 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.290 you and you belittled her at the same time. And 0:16:07.330 --> 0:16:07.910 you hit her. 0:16:09.250 --> 0:16:12.440 Apparently he's abused her a lot, but that's the first literal.... 0:16:13.690 --> 0:16:17.430 Quote that I see from a headline. This wasn't the 0:16:17.470 --> 0:16:20.610 only time Dustin Hoffman allegedly abused Meryl Streep. And this 0:16:20.670 --> 0:16:23.580 is from Screen Rant. So, like, the fact that he 0:16:23.630 --> 0:16:26.790 continued to do that to this woman, who I think 0:16:26.820 --> 0:16:30.000 had already been nominated for things, even though this was 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.200 one of her earlier films. 0:16:31.900 --> 0:16:34.520 Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I don't even know 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.160 if he... No, he was on that list. He was 0:16:36.180 --> 0:16:41.240 a method actor. I just... It feels like so much 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.420 of it is... it is causing harm to someone else. 0:16:45.590 --> 0:16:47.950 And then you're taking credit for, like, I'm sure probably 0:16:47.970 --> 0:16:50.930 in private conversations, he said, you know, I made Meryl 0:16:50.990 --> 0:16:54.430 Streep who she is. Like, I was the one. She 0:16:54.470 --> 0:16:59.210 complains about it, but I, by doing this, helped her 0:16:59.230 --> 0:17:03.390 get further. And we even talked about it with Bridget, like, the, 0:17:03.810 --> 0:17:05.470 is it Evan Rachel Wood, the music video? 0:17:06.250 --> 0:17:06.530 And I. 0:17:08.270 --> 0:17:12.920 Was thinking about it, too, because I was lying awake 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.210 as I'm want to do, and I'm wrestling with these topics. 0:17:15.609 --> 0:17:18.010 And I was thinking about the audition process. And I 0:17:18.050 --> 0:17:21.750 was like, did Jared Leto, who again was in that 0:17:21.790 --> 0:17:26.310 movie for 10 minutes, did he start the method acting 0:17:26.369 --> 0:17:29.510 for the audition? Or did he start it after? Because 0:17:29.550 --> 0:17:31.630 if you did the audition, you got the part, then 0:17:31.690 --> 0:17:34.350 I think you've already proven you can do it. I 0:17:34.369 --> 0:17:37.050 don't think you need this method part. I don't know. 0:17:37.109 --> 0:17:40.790 Maybe he was doing it before, but like, He's such. 0:17:40.570 --> 0:17:43.149 A bad actor. Maybe he needs it. 0:17:43.190 --> 0:17:45.240 There's a few that's like, you're genuinely good. 0:17:45.260 --> 0:17:46.060 You don't need this. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:52.960 Maybe Jared Leto from his infamous times from being Jordan Catalano. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.640 Catalani? Catalani? Anyway, needed. 0:17:57.670 --> 0:18:01.470 Can't do it without it, especially for a 30-second preview 0:18:01.570 --> 0:18:06.690 because he is that baseless in acting. Say this and 0:18:06.710 --> 0:18:07.250 I'm about to get. 0:18:07.230 --> 0:18:07.700 Attacked, aren't I? 0:18:08.130 --> 0:18:10.460 This is what i tell you we're ruffling some actor 0:18:10.500 --> 0:18:11.399 feathers right now. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:26.260 Philip seymour hoffman who was also an infamous method actor 0:18:26.780 --> 0:18:31.110 he was genuinely great he was genuinely great i don't 0:18:31.150 --> 0:18:33.389 know if he needed it again like that kind of 0:18:33.430 --> 0:18:36.980 goes to that same level um I don't know, maybe 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.200 it's that introvert thing, because he was an introvert, I think, 0:18:39.220 --> 0:18:42.760 for the most part, that really felt like his craft 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.200 came from all the emotions. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:45.340 I'm assuming. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.080 These are, like, things that I've seen as an alleged. 0:18:49.030 --> 0:18:54.470 So maybe that's the different level. But, like, again, there's 0:18:54.510 --> 0:18:59.390 nothing about Jared Leto's performances and any performances that I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:18:59.410 --> 0:19:03.370 he's so great. Unless he can be extreme. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.080 That's interesting. Cause I wonder if, um, I did think 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.300 about this too. Cause I, I was wondering if there's 0:19:10.340 --> 0:19:15.760 some level of insecurity around it of like, I want, I, 0:19:16.140 --> 0:19:19.430 when the critics come, when the award season rolls around, 0:19:19.450 --> 0:19:22.250 I want them to know I lived in the, the 0:19:22.330 --> 0:19:28.169 winter tundra to prepare like quote dedication I put into 0:19:28.790 --> 0:19:33.110 this role and this character. which again, we've talked about 0:19:33.130 --> 0:19:37.720 this before. I think it was in our intimacy coordinator episode, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:44.550 but personally, if you're a good actor, then that doesn't 0:19:44.619 --> 0:19:49.930 really necessarily factor into what I'm thinking. And in fact, 0:19:50.010 --> 0:19:52.730 it might take me out of the performance like I'm 0:19:52.780 --> 0:19:57.119 not sitting there thinking oh wow they definitely lived in 0:19:57.180 --> 0:20:03.020 the winter tundra I don't know I like so I 0:20:03.060 --> 0:20:05.260 wonder if there's some kind of thing I've been guilty 0:20:05.300 --> 0:20:07.869 of this too where you want to prove When the 0:20:07.900 --> 0:20:10.770 critics come at you like, but I did all this research, though. Like, 0:20:10.810 --> 0:20:15.530 I did all this. I think research is good. It's the... 0:20:17.730 --> 0:20:20.040 It's the kind of unhingedness. 0:20:20.410 --> 0:20:21.180 Unhingedness? 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:27.379 Yes. I clearly have strong thoughts about this. Of making 0:20:27.619 --> 0:20:35.990 everyone else uncomfortable. And putting, like, yourself, your performance... before everything. 0:20:36.030 --> 0:20:38.530 Because in a good, I think in a good movie 0:20:38.550 --> 0:20:43.410 or a good production, everyone's working together in a way. 0:20:43.510 --> 0:20:46.330 And sometimes somebody is such a good actor, method or not, 0:20:47.130 --> 0:20:50.030 that you are scared of them because they're doing so 0:20:50.070 --> 0:20:52.200 well and you don't hang out. But you still work 0:20:52.260 --> 0:20:56.240 together really well. You know this isn't actually going to 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:56.820 kill me. 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.920 Well, as I'm looking at Jared Leto's list, he played 0:21:01.940 --> 0:21:05.180 a serial killer. i don't know any of his films 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.040 and he did get several awards so people are probably 0:21:07.140 --> 0:21:08.760 mad at me like he is a great actor i 0:21:08.780 --> 0:21:10.160 think he's a great actor when he has to play 0:21:10.180 --> 0:21:13.740 something extreme like that's different when it's drama drama versus 0:21:13.780 --> 0:21:17.850 like actual minute like detailed acting that's different i say 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.270 as non-actor uh but like yeah he won for a 0:21:21.330 --> 0:21:23.910 dallas byers club i remember he played a trans woman 0:21:23.930 --> 0:21:26.129 which ruffled a lot of feathers because he's not a 0:21:26.150 --> 0:21:28.930 trans woman so how did he method act for that 0:21:29.890 --> 0:21:34.220 You know what I mean? There's nowhere in life ever, ever, 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:38.439 ever that he can understand what a trans woman has 0:21:38.460 --> 0:21:41.350 been through. And so there's a lot of questions in 0:21:41.380 --> 0:21:43.550 his method and when he wants to be method and 0:21:43.590 --> 0:21:45.629 how deep of a method actor he wants to be. 0:21:45.890 --> 0:21:48.950 I say this really mainly Really, just don't like Jared Leto, apparently. 0:21:48.990 --> 0:21:49.430 I'm sorry. 0:21:49.490 --> 0:21:51.110 That brought something out of me. You know, I have 0:21:51.430 --> 0:21:53.949 his autograph. I had a huge crush on him when 0:21:53.990 --> 0:21:55.070 I was... Who didn't? 0:21:55.190 --> 0:22:00.340 When he was acting like an emo... Like emo man, young, 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:04.420 who wasn't creepy and all the other things. Yeah. 0:22:04.820 --> 0:22:07.460 And I want to say, like, when I think about... 0:22:08.380 --> 0:22:10.100 I've done some acting. And when I think about why 0:22:10.140 --> 0:22:13.879 I like it, I like imagining things. And I like... 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:15.970 But I feel like I would never.... 0:22:17.140 --> 0:22:17.340 Ever. 0:22:19.740 --> 0:22:21.970 Maybe part of it is conditioning as a woman. I don't, 0:22:22.210 --> 0:22:25.350 I wouldn't want to make people so uncomfortable. I wouldn't 0:22:25.390 --> 0:22:29.670 want to do like that. And I think there's a 0:22:29.770 --> 0:22:32.530 health thing too, where you can be like, okay, let 0:22:32.570 --> 0:22:35.220 me turn this off for now. It's a stressful role. 0:22:36.180 --> 0:22:39.300