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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're putting

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Speaker 1: the finishing touches on the gifts and cards we're sending.

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Speaker 2: Out to the folks we know and love.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's getting something women's sports related, because you know, we

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Speaker 1: got a reputation to a fold. It's Monday, December twenty third,

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Speaker 1: and on today's show, we're skipping the need to know

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Speaker 1: and jumping straight into my fantastic conversation with Jenny Wynn,

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Speaker 1: founder of the sports Bra women's sports bar in Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 1: We discuss her transition from chef to bar owner, betting

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Speaker 1: her life savings on her vision for the sports Bra,

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Speaker 1: how her relationship with her parents changed as a result

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Speaker 1: of her big leap, and what she still hopes to achieve.

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Speaker 1: That conversation's coming up right after.

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Speaker 2: This, joining us now.

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Speaker 1: She's a former chef turned bar opener and game changer

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Speaker 1: founder of the sports Bra in Portland, Oregon. She's inspired

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Speaker 1: a handful of women's sports bars across the country and

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Speaker 1: is in the process of opening sports Bra franchises in

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Speaker 1: other cities. Classically trained at La Courdonbleaux, racking up frequent

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Speaker 1: flyer mind, I was like a boss my partnering crime

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Speaker 1: in the South of Frances past summer.

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Speaker 2: It's Jenny Wynn. What's up, Jenny, Hey.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Sarah. This is awesome. Congrats on

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Speaker 3: the show too. This is so rad. Just been following you,

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Speaker 3: It's been so awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, unlike the rest of my guests

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Speaker 1: or most of my guests, I've seen you more in

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Speaker 1: person than virtually because we keep ending up at all

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Speaker 1: the same events, which is so fun.

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Speaker 2: That's how I know your flyer miles are going up.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the beginning of how you got here.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your sports background when you were growing up,

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Speaker 1: either playing or watching or both.

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Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, so born and rased in Portland, Oregon, so

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Speaker 3: kind of like birthed into the Trailblazer landscape, you know,

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Speaker 3: it was in my veins and then so super early on,

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Speaker 3: I picked up a basketball, probably around five or six

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Speaker 3: years old, and never put it down. My dad, he

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Speaker 3: grew up in Vietnam, so big soccer country, and so

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Speaker 3: he tried to like guide me in that direction, but

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Speaker 3: it was just not for me. Literally, people would kick

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Speaker 3: and start dribbling and people would be like, okay, I

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Speaker 3: forget it. So started playing ball really early, and then

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Speaker 3: I basically stopped playing around the time I opened the

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Speaker 3: sports bra, just out of sheer exhaustion. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: would say that it started out with playing, and then

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Speaker 3: as I got older, it became a little more watching.

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Speaker 3: So probably around I would say, probably later in high school,

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Speaker 3: I started to like dabble in watching more women's sports.

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Speaker 3: I was always watching the Blazers and like having my

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Speaker 3: you know, eventually I got old enough to start drinking

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Speaker 1: Okay, so just to take you behind the scenes, I

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Speaker 1: just asked Jenny if she was in the kitchen of

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Speaker 1: that's my girlfriend wearing slippers, dragging her feet walking around.

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Speaker 1: So if she returns and you hear that, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to pretend it's ratitui going nuts back there.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like that's my preferred visual.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, prior to opening the sports bra, you had

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Speaker 1: fifteen years of cooking experience, four plus years of being

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Speaker 1: an executive chef. What was your specialty, what was your

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Speaker 3: No? I mean, so I graduated college and immediately enrolled

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Speaker 2: Wait which people people who wanted to be chefs or

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Speaker 2: I was like, is this a Portland thing? It sounds

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Speaker 3: I guess this is what people do. So that's what

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Speaker 3: But unlike some of the other students that were in school,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you talk about it sounds like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't really actually put those two together

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Speaker 3: Like this is just not a glamorous lifestyle for anybody,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the business side is completely different than maybe what

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Speaker 1: stretch of five years before opening the sports bra where

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Speaker 1: you were unemployed, which fits in with what you just said,

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Speaker 1: because I read an interviewer he said you actually didn't

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Speaker 1: idea of not being beholden too anything. You just did

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Speaker 2: What were some of the jobs you did. What were

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Speaker 2: some of the postings you responded to Sarah, you do your.

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Speaker 3: Research, damn. So one thing that I was really good at,

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Speaker 3: so I'm generally really good with my hands. I love

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Speaker 3: a lot of painting gigs. There was an old Victorian

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Speaker 1: But then during the pandemic, you sort of got the

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Speaker 1: to the larger conversations going on in the world, and

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Speaker 1: that includes the conversations around women's sports. It seems like

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Speaker 1: much it's needed. What was your why for opening the

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Speaker 3: So even though the idea and you know, and the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had some cool live events and watch parties.

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Speaker 2: How's my home? We thank you for coming to my home,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it is unbelievable. And like when I wrote

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Speaker 3: maybe have a couple other bars opened, like and that

439
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: was like my biggest, my biggest dreams. And I feel

440
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: like so much was realized in year one and clearly,

441
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: you know, being risk averse, I just I didn't dream

442
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: big enough. Yeah, and what's great is that, you know,

443
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 3: I've surrounded myself with people who are so supportive, knowledgeable,

444
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 3: and are a little more fearless, and that has helped

445
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: to kind of push the envelope on what is possible.

446
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you need both.

447
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 3: I definitely need both. I'm very like keep it tight,

448
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 3: and I surround myself with people who are like pushers

449
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 3: a little bit, which is really good for me.

450
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break when we come

451
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: back fitting first gen stereotypes and franchising more with Jenny

452
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: Wynn coming up next.

453
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Speaker 2: You're a first generation Vietnamese American.

454
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Speaker 1: Do you think your family fits the stereotypes of immigrant families,

455
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,239
Speaker 1: particularly Asian American families that we hear often and their

456
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: expectations for you.

457
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to say, like full like yes, full stop.

458
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: They have been. We have butt heeads my entire life

459
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: at every major like intersection of my identity, of my

460
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 3: career choices, we have butt heads. And you know, I

461
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: think that I you know, I have other Asian friends

462
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: who their parents walked away, and my parents never did,

463
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: like we butt heeads. There was a lot of disapproval,

464
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: but overall the love was always there. It showed up

465
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 3: in different ways. But I think, especially as I got older,

466
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 3: like now, I'm starting to realize that so much of

467
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 3: it had to do with fear for them. You know,

468
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 3: they came to this country not speaking English. They got

469
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 3: a lot of like discrimination against them, and so part

470
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: of their survival was to fit in do not rock

471
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 3: the boat. And as I grew up, you know, I

472
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 3: picked up a basketball at age five. My mom was like,

473
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: girls do not play sports, like this is not good.

474
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: And I came out when I was seventeen. They both

475
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 3: were just like, oh no, you know, not only are

476
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: you first generation Vietnamese American girl, but now you're a lesbian,

477
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 3: Like your life isn't going to get really hard? And

478
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: then you know, I my sophomore year of college, I

479
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 3: dropped out of the pre med program that I was into.

480
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you were definitely a doctor at

481
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: some point.

482
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: I was on the track. And then I discovered cooking.

483
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: And when I told my parents that I wanted to

484
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: be a chef about halfway through my sophomore year, they,

485
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: I mean they that was like they lost their mind.

486
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: Like me coming out was a little bit easier in

487
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: fact than that because they I think that they understood

488
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: that that's how I was born, but choosing a career

489
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: that was a choice that I was making. And then

490
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: literally out of everybody that I knew talking about the

491
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: sports brought, everybody was like, we love it. We think

492
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: you're going to kill it. It's going to be great.

493
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, friends and family will

494
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: say that no matter what I was going to do.

495
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: But my parents were absolutely against it, like full on,

496
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 3: full on against it. I got the I got the

497
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: keys to the to the restaurant, and I remember taking

498
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: my parents in there for the first time to kind

499
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: of do a walk around. And the restaurant had opened

500
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: during COVID and it was a Thai restaurant and it was,

501
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: you know, in really rough shape. And so my dad

502
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 3: walked in. He almost had a panic attack, and he

503
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: had to step outside and he was just like, what

504
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: have you done? And he just kept saying what have

505
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: you done? Like over and over, and so you know,

506
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: there there has always been these these these moments, these

507
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: kind of apex moments in my life where we where

508
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 3: we were.

509
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: That's really hard.

510
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: Was it easier because you'd had those moments before with

511
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: them versus let's say you're you'd always had this great

512
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: supportive relationship and then they were like, oh.

513
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: No, this was a up.

514
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: Was it easier to say, listen, they haven't always seen

515
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: the same thing that I'm seeing and so this is

516
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: going to be okay?

517
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I would say easier. But you know, it's

518
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: out of everybody and I'm an only child, like I

519
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 3: would want my parents to be backing me up.

520
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: There's so much of that rooted and literally everyone, regardless

521
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: of how much they might push it away. It is

522
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: deeply rooted in our bodies to need the support and

523
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: approval of our parents.

524
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get that. What do they think now?

525
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, they like feel like they laid a

526
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: golden egg, like they can. It has changed everything. It

527
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 3: has changed our dynamic. Yeah, it is to the point

528
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: where I have never felt so. I mean, I guess

529
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: empowered in a lot of ways, but especially in my

530
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: relationship with my parents, Like I think that you're right.

531
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: I've always wanted kind of that approval or for them

532
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: to be proud of me, and you know, they can

533
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: say certain things and I'll be like sure, But now

534
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: it feels like like like they could die happy, Like

535
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: they could die tomorrow and be like you know what,

536
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: You're You're fine, You've done it. I remember early on

537
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: I was feeling the pressure because the BRA had felt

538
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: like larger than life, like pretty soon after we opened,

539
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: and I started to like kind of get really felt

540
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: like the burden of continuing what all these expectations of

541
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: what people had for what the BRA was, And I

542
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: remember being pretty like down about it. And because I'm

543
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: also a people pleaser, and so I mean, I feel

544
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 3: like you and I have had multiple conversations about being

545
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: a people pleaser. But my dad was just like, you

546
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: know what, you've already succeeded. He was just like, you

547
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: did this. Nobody can take that away, Like the whole

548
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 3: place could go up in flames, You can die in

549
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 3: a fiery car accident, but nobody could ever change what

550
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: you've already done and.

551
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: What you've influenced. Gosh, oh my gosh, we could talk forever.

552
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: Running out of time, I want to ask you quickly.

553
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: You used your life savings, you took this leap. You

554
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: pushed back on your own tendencies to be risk averse.

555
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: You looked at your family and your parents and you said,

556
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: I know you think I'm working up, but this is

557
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: going to work out, and it has. Do you have

558
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: a message for people who are risk averse or stagnant,

559
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: or have a dream or have something they always think

560
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: about and like you said, it takes over all of

561
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: their time thinking about it, but they aren't taking the leap.

562
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: Do you have a thought for them?

563
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, first off, I didn't know it was

564
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: going to work. There wasn't really any point at the

565
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: beginning where I was just like, this is going to

566
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: be awesome. I think that with any entrepreneurship, you kind

567
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: of have to fool yourself into like that self talk

568
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: and be like this could work out, this could work out,

569
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: this could work out. But I remember the very first

570
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: moment where I actually thought that maybe it could work out.

571
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: I'd already signed a lease, I was already doing the

572
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: build out. And it was the day that the kickstarter

573
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: got picked up by a local newspaper and it went

574
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: from like a couple thousand dollars from everybody that I

575
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: knew to a straight up and down line and I

576
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: looked at it and I saw where the donations were

577
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 3: coming from, and I was just And that was the

578
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: very first moment where I was like, oh my god,

579
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: this might this might be this might be something. Yeah,

580
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: And I'd already like signed over everything, So I don't

581
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever truly knew. I don't know

582
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: if anyone ever truly knows. But the key for me

583
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: is that if you love something and you want something

584
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 3: bad enough, and that the keystones, you have to keep

585
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: them the same, so know what your mission is, be adaptable,

586
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: and because things change all the time, there's not one

587
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 3: single perfect day, like things will happen. She hits the

588
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: fan every single day. Be adaptable, keep your keystone and

589
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 3: keep going. And if it doesn't work, it's a lesson,

590
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 3: like that's that's what everyone always talks about. Failures are

591
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: always just lessons wrapped up in a ton of negative emotions.

592
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: Right You just it's sort of like the old cliche

593
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: leap and the net will appear, like you leapt before

594
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: you even knew it was gonna work, or had all

595
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: this money or did those things, and then in the

596
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: middle of it, you're looking at this kickstarter and you're like,

597
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: there's the net, there's the thing. So sometimes you do

598
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: have to do I am someone who is not good

599
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: with failure, is pretty risk averse with a lot of things,

600
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: and I think I need to start as I get older.

601
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: And I remember listening to a panel at the Billie

602
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Jean King Cup in Spain talking about Shila Johnson, who's

603
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: an accidental billionaire, talking about all the times she failed

604
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: and how young people are way too afraid of failure

605
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: and they don't end up trying, and they don't take

606
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: big risks and they don't go for it, and how

607
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: necessary it is. So you are just another nudge. The

608
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: universe is sending me a bunch of nudges right now,

609
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: so I appreciate it. Before I let you go. We

610
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: have a speed round, okay, prize possession or piece of

611
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: merch that is on the walls at the bra Oh

612
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: my god.

613
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: Pink crew neck. There's like this baby like miss Piggy

614
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: pink crew neck that is love it.

615
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: What's what I was talking about? Like something to decorate with.

616
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: But okay, that's a good one too, So okay, the

617
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: baby pink crew neck is the best merch.

618
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: What's the like memorabilia?

619
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, there's so many good ones. But the

620
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: first one that comes to mind is a quilt that

621
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: my aunt from Saint Paul, Minneapolis or Minnesota area made

622
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: for me right before we opened. She is she's a

623
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: classic American quilter. But I asked her if she could

624
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: do a brandy chestin quilt and she's like, I've never

625
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: done that before, but I can try and it is

626
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: literally like perfection and it was gonna get She has

627
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: been there, but I did not get I didn't see

628
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: her enough long enough to get her to sign.

629
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Okay, we gotta we gotta get her out there. That's

630
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: rad Okay, dream piece of memorabilia.

631
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: That we don't have that I would love to have,

632
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: Oh anything signed by Don Staley.

633
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure we can make that happen. Let's get

634
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: on the okay slices. Who knows Don Staley, Let's get

635
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: her that message. Have you ever played a men's game?

636
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: Oh?

637
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: TV?

638
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: You know what we did once an exception. It was

639
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: an exception.

640
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: It was tia four Francis tiafo.

641
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: Yes, when he made like the US Open, like semis

642
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: or the finals, and we were just like, you know what,

643
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: like this is a big deal because it's not just

644
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: about women's sports, it's about underrepresented sports shown on TV

645
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: and blown up.

646
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think he was rocking women's jerseys

647
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: leading up to that, if I remember correctly, I think

648
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: he had like a Rodman jersey and stuff. So I

649
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: like that there's some crossover there in terms of like support. Okay,

650
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: dream appearance by any celebri athlete or coach at the

651
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: BRA Yeah, oh my god.

652
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: I always want to go back to Don Staley. However,

653
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: Serena Williams has been tough with mind lately because I've okay,

654
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: you know, it should be all.

655
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: Right, slices, get on that too, Serena and don we

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Speaker 1: gotta get him to the bra. We got to get

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Speaker 1: him to sign some stuff. And then finally, what's the

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Speaker 1: new dream? You said you accomplished so many of the

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Speaker 1: dreams within the first year that you had laid out

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Speaker 1: for ten years.

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Speaker 2: What's the new one?

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Speaker 3: The new one is the franchise piece. I just feel

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Speaker 3: like the more we can give people the experience that

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Speaker 3: they've been experiencing when they walk through the doors in Portland, Oregon,

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Speaker 3: the better because it really is transformative and if we

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Speaker 3: can bring that to other people's communities in a super

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Speaker 3: authentic way. We're creating women's sports fandom in a public

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Speaker 3: sphere that has really been kept away from us for

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Speaker 3: over forty years.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. We've seen a lot of bars pop up.

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Speaker 1: There's one coming to Chicago coming up called Babes Babe,

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Speaker 1: But there also are sports bra franchises on the way.

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Speaker 1: Can people pitch their city and themselves as franchise owners

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Speaker 1: or is that all happening behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Already done, There is a lot happening behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: We have a franchise website that folks can start learning

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Speaker 3: everything they want to start knowing about the franchising and

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Speaker 3: then they can apply. Yeah, and then we go through

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Speaker 3: we interview, and we're in the interview process now and

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Speaker 3: we're hoping that we can franchise for years to come.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going to put a link to that

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Speaker 1: franchise page in the show notes for people who are interested. Jenny,

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Speaker 1: we love you, Thanks so much for giving us this

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Speaker 1: time and congratulations a hell of a year.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what happens next year.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much to Jenny for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We got to take another break stick with us except

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Speaker 1: for you, Chad, you know why.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back slices.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to

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Speaker 1: good game play of the day. Be sure to follow

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Speaker 1: the sports Bra. They're on ig and Twitter, slash x

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Speaker 1: It's easy watch bars that say no when you ask

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Speaker 1: to change the channel to women's sports rating negative fifty

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Speaker 1: pints of backwash beer review. Nothing worse than a bar

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Speaker 1: with ten televisions all turn to channels that no one

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Speaker 1: is paying any attention to. Even worse is when they

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Speaker 1: say they can't change the channel because some group in

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Speaker 1: the corner is watching men's professional barrel rolling or some

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Speaker 1: other nonsense.

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Speaker 2: We see right through. You manage your chad.

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Speaker 1: If you hate women athletes and you want to do

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Speaker 1: everything you can to actively discourage people from supporting them,

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Speaker 1: just say that. Then we can stop coming to your establishment.

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Speaker 1: Put a sign outside that says misogyn is welcome or

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Speaker 1: something like that, and just save us all the trouble.

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Speaker 2: Now it's your turn. Rate and Review.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow. Good game, Jenny, Good game.

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Speaker 1: The sports bra workers and patrons. You manager Chad's You

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Speaker 1: know them when you see them. Good Game with Sarah

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Speaker 1: Production by Wonder Media Network. Our producers are Alex Azzie

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