1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Lisa Matteo. Here 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: are the top stories we're following today. 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 3: Lisa, we are just hours away from the key event. 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 4: Wall Street has been waiting for the speech from FED 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 4: chair j Powell at Jackson Hall. The White House has 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 4: been pressuring Powell to cut rates for months amid a 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 4: weakening labor market, but questions remain about the impact tariffs 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 4: will have on inflation. Bloomberg's Michael McKee is in Jackson 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 4: Hall covering Powell and the annual FED conference. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 5: Last year, Chairman Powell said that he thought it was 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 5: time the interest rates started to go down, and then 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 5: he delivered in September when they made a fifty basis 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 5: point cut. He's not expected to say that here this year. 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 5: He's expected to talk about the fact that the economy 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 5: is slowing on the employment side, but there are some 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 5: worrying signs of inflation, and since those were require two 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 5: different ways of responding by monetary policy, the FED would 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 5: prefer to wait and get as much data and information 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 5: as possible, which means they'll wait till after the next 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 5: employment report and the next CPI report before settling on 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 5: the best course of action. 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 4: Bloomberg's Michael McKee part of our special Jackson Hole coverage. 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: He'll join Tom Keen and Lisa Abromowitz for a special 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: edition of Bloomberg Surveillance this morning at nine am Eastern Time, 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: and they will bring you FED share Jpowell speech live 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: that happens at ten am, and you can catch it 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 4: all on Bloomberg Radio, Bloomberg Television, and the Bloomberg Podcast 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: channel on YouTube. 30 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: Well Nathan. Several former FED officials are weighing into the 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: Fed's next move. Robert Kaplan is the former Dallas FED 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: president and vice chairman of Goldman Sachs. 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 6: If the job market were stronger, I think it would 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 6: be clearer to be more be patient and wait to 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 6: see how the inflation is going to unfold, and be 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 6: more patient to see a trend for further down toward target. 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 6: But I think with this weekending the labor markets, it's 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 6: going to push the FED I think to be more 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 6: forward leading and maybe do an adjustment in September. But 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 6: the caution I would give if they do move in September, 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 6: I don't think that's the start of a cycle. 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: I was former Dallas FED President Robert Kaplan. Now the 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: interest rate market shows about a seventy percent chance of 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: a quarter point cut at the September meeting and close 45 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: to fifty basis points of easing for the entire year. 46 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 4: Oh well, we wait to see whether those bets get refined. 47 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 4: Following Chairman Powell speech, Lisa pressure is building on one 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 4: of the Fed's board members. Federal Housing Finance Agency Director 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 4: Bill Poulti says he will make a new statement on 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: new evidence against FED Governor Lisa Cook this morning at 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 4: nine thirty am Wall Street Time. Paulty announced that on 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 4: x this morning, a day after the Justice Department urged 53 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 4: Powell to remove Governor Cook from the board as it 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 4: signals plans to investigate her for alleged mortgage fraud. Poulty 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 4: tells Bloomberg he referred to Cook's case to the DOJ 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 4: is part of a broader crackdown on the issue. 57 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 7: We refer people almost every day. I refer people every 58 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 7: week on a minimum, to the Department of Justice for 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 7: mortgage fraud. This is literally what I am required to 60 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 7: do underneath the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of two 61 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 7: thousand and eight, which is to ensure the safety and 62 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 7: soundness of the mortgage market. 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: You can watch our full conversation with FHFA director Bill 64 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: Polti on the Bloomberg Podcast YouTube channel. 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: Now Bloomberg has reached out to Governor Cook. 66 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 4: She has declined our requests for an interview, but in 67 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: a statement, she says she won't be bullied into stepping down, 68 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: but intends to take questions about her financial history seriously. 69 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: Talks continue at the White House Nathan on taking a 70 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: ten percent stake in Intel to shore up the struggling 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: US chip maker. Now Bloomberg News has learned that Trump 72 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: administration will not pursue equity stakes and other semiconductor manufacturers 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: that are boosting investment in the US, like Micron Technology 74 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: and Taiwan's Semiconductor. Now fill moves in the White House 75 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: to take a cut of Nvidia chip sales in China 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: and to pursue a so called golden share in US steel. 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: Former Vice President Mike Penn says President Trump should reconsider 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: the whole strategy. 79 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 8: State owned enterprise is not the American way. Free enterprise 80 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 8: is the American way, and a refereed private sector with 81 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 8: less taxes and less regulation has created the most prosperous 82 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 8: economy in the history of the world, and if we 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 8: stay on that path, that'll always be true. 84 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: Former Vice President Mike Pence with a guest on Bloomberg's 85 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: Balance of Power. You can also get that full conversation 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: on the Bloomberg Podcast YouTube channel. 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: Well Staying in the chip texter Lisa In, Nvidia reportedly 88 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: told its component suppliers to halt production of its H 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: twenty AI chip that's designed for the Chinese market. According 90 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 4: to the Information, in Vidia issued that order this week 91 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: after Beijing urged local firms to avoid using those Nvidia chips. 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 4: CEO Jensen Wong says his company is in talks with 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 4: Beijing US government. 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 9: The Trump administration has approved of licenses for US to 95 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 9: export age. 96 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: Toities to China. 97 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 10: Recently, China asked some questions about some. 98 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: Security back doors in our ships. 99 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 6: We have made it very clear and put to rest 100 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 6: that H twenty has no security backdoors. 101 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: That was Nvidia CEO Jensen Wong. 102 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 4: The Age twenty is a less powerful version of the 103 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: company's cutting edge AI accelerators. It was designed to comply 104 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: with US export controls. 105 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: Well well Mark News has learned two tech behemoths are 106 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: hooking up on an artificial intelligence related deal. Let's get 107 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: the very re lated from Bloomberg's John Tucker. Good Morning, John, 108 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: and Lisa. 109 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 11: Meta Platforms has agreed to a deal with alphabetz Google 110 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 11: for cloud computing services. That's the first major cloud computing 111 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 11: deal between Meta and Google. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has 112 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 11: pledged to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on AI 113 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 11: and the infrastructure needed to support howard It, the Facebook 114 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 11: and Instagram parent company, will pay a minimum of ten 115 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 11: billion dollars over six years to use Google's cloud servers 116 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 11: and storage, and an effort to quickly bring online more 117 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 11: computing power as it competes in the race to offer 118 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 11: users AI tools. Zuckerberg is seeking to amass the most 119 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 11: computing power per AI researcher, and he wants to do 120 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 11: it quickly. You know you, York, Come John Tucker, Bloomberg Radio. 121 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 4: Okay, John, thank you. Mark Zuckerberg was almost involved in 122 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: another big deal. According to a court filing, Elon Musk 123 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: tried to enlist the Meta CEO for his unsolicited bid 124 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: for Open Ai this year. Zuckerberg was one of the 125 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: people with whom must communicate it about potentially financing a 126 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 4: deal to purchase the maker of Chat GPT. In the filing, 127 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: OpenAI says neither Zuckerberg nor Meta signed the letter of 128 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: intent or participated in the ninety seven billion dollar bid. 129 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: Well more news out of Meta this morning, Nathan the 130 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: company is hiring another key Apple artificial intelligence executive, and 131 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: this is even as the social networking company prepares a 132 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: slow wits recruitment. In a Bloomberg exclusive, sources a Frank Chu, 133 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: who has led Apple AI teams focused on cloud infrastructure, 134 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: will be joining Meta super Intelligence Labs, and the executive 135 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: is following several of his colleagues to Meta, which also 136 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: hired the head of Apple's AI models team. 137 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: Meantime, Lisa China is accusing the US of quote threatening 138 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: world peace before it hosts a gathering of global leaders. 139 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: More than twenty of them are set to attend the 140 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: annual summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which is a 141 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: block of countries led by Russia and China. Chinese Assistant 142 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: Foreign Minister Liu Binn framed the gathering as a break 143 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: with the ethos of a quote certain country that quote 144 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: seeks to put its national interest above the interest of others. 145 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: US was never invited to be part of the group 146 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: that was initially seen in the West as a China 147 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: backed Eastern counterweight to NATO. 148 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: It is time now for a look at some of 149 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: the other stories making news in New York and around 150 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: the world. For that, we're joined by Bloomberg's Michael bar 151 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: Good morning, Michael. 152 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 12: Good morning, Lisa. Governor Phil Murphy says a state of 153 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 12: emergency remains for New Jersey as Hurricane Erin battered coastal 154 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 12: communities with strong winds, waves, and life threatening rip currents. 155 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 12: Governor Murphy says absolutely no one should be in the 156 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 12: coastal waters today. Aaron flooded streets and eroded beaches in 157 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 12: parts of the Jersey Shore and Long Island. High serve 158 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 12: advisories for five to seven feet are in effect. Bloomberg 159 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 12: Meeting religious Craig Allen has more. 160 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 13: Erin is now about five hundred miles away from Halifax, 161 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 13: Nova Scotia, but still has hurricane force winds one hundred 162 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 13: five miles outside of the center and tropical storm force 163 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 13: winds three hundred and twenty miles from the center, and 164 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 13: so the ocean continues to be very roughed up, and 165 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 13: I would bet that there will continue to be red 166 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 13: flags flying right through the day today, even though the 167 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 13: weather itself is going to be pretty nice. 168 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 12: Bloomberg Meeting religious Craig Allen, one of the two Menendez brothers, 169 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 12: was denied parole on Thursday from murdering his parents thirty 170 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 12: six years ago in California. It is keeping Eric Menndez 171 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 12: behind bars for at least another three years. Today, Lyle 172 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 12: Menendez will appear before the parole board. President Trump visited 173 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 12: with police and National Guard units that are patrolling Washington, DC. 174 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 10: Well, I just want to thank everybody very much for 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 10: being here. I wanted to do this. We've had some 176 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 10: incredible results and results have come out, and it's like 177 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 10: a different place. It's like a different city. It's the capital. 178 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 10: It's going to be the best in the world. 179 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 12: In a radio interview earlier Thursday, President Trump said he 180 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 12: would be going out tonight with the law enforcement and military, 181 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 12: but he returned to the White House after the visit 182 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 12: to the facility. Global News twenty four hours a day 183 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 12: and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News. Now, michae L. 184 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: Barn this is Bloomberg Time. 185 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: Now for our Bloomberg Sports update, and for that we 186 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 4: bring in John Stashauwer, Thanks Nathan. 187 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 14: Tour Championship Golf Underwagh in Atlanta. Of the thirty players 188 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 14: going for the ten million dollar first place prize, nobody 189 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 14: played like Russell Henley seven birdies and eagle, no bogies, 190 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 14: a nine under sixty one and a two shot lead 191 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 14: on Scottie Scheffler. Five others trail by three. Rory McElroy 192 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 14: trails by five. Dodgers and Padres both won ALA at Colorado. 193 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 14: Clayton Chrishall went to eight and two. San Diego beat 194 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 14: the Giants Justin Verlanderfelder one and ten. Dodgers leave the 195 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 14: NL West by one game. That's your Bloomberg Sports Update. 196 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Daybreak coming up after. 197 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: This Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Serious 198 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: Exam and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and 199 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business opp This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 200 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 4: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager with the countdown on to J. 201 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,479 Speaker 4: Powell's speech at the FED Symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. 202 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 4: His chance to give clues on the policy path for 203 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 4: his final nine months as chair to cement his legacy 204 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: as he continues to face relentless criticism from the White 205 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: House over interest rates. Ahead of the keynote address, we're 206 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 4: very pleased to be joined this morning by Sarah House, 207 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: senior economists at Wells Fargo. Sarah, it's great to have 208 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 4: you with us on Jackson Hole Day. Do you expect 209 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 4: Chairman pal either to give more clues on the policy 210 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: path or to address that pressure he's under. 211 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Nathan. 212 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 9: So we're not expecting an explicit hint that what the 213 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 9: FED will do at the September meeting. So this is 214 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 9: not like last year where I think there was pretty 215 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 9: broad consensus that the Fed was needing to pivot. So 216 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 9: the committee still remains very split, as we saw within 217 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 9: the minutes, but also just some of the recent FED speak, 218 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 9: and then I think the recent data we had even 219 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 9: since the minutes, it didn't resolve that split. So yes, 220 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 9: you had the much weaker payrolls numbers, but then you 221 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 9: also had signed of inflation being more persistent, just based 222 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 9: on the mix of the recent inflation readings. So I 223 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 9: think going to want to keep his options open where 224 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 9: we still have another month's worth of data before that 225 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 9: September meeting. 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 4: Could there be some addressing of that split? As you say, 227 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 4: we have seen a very divergent view starting to come 228 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: out now on where the policy path should go. 229 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 9: I'm not sure. I think you could see it in 230 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 9: terms of him laying out just the difficulty of the moment. 231 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 9: So you do have the said Candid's intention where the 232 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 9: labor market is living some momentum, but if you look 233 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 9: at certain indicators like the unemployment rate, it's still looking 234 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 9: like it's roughly imbound. But at the same time, you 235 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 9: have inflation that's actually moving back up, so it's moving 236 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 9: in the wrong direction when we've been above target for 237 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 9: almost four and a half years now. So I think 238 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 9: discussing those dueling directions and the different risks that the 239 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 9: set is facing, I think we'll get to just some 240 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 9: of that split and why the committee is so divided 241 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 9: at this particular moment. 242 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 4: If we do see a chairman Palace sort of keep 243 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 4: his cards close to his vest, how do you expect 244 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 4: the market to. 245 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: React to that? 246 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, So it seems like markets were pretty much anticipating 247 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,119 Speaker 9: that we would get that clear cut signal that September 248 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 9: is likely, but I think those expectations have been paired 249 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 9: back in recent days. Is again, we've had some commentary 250 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 9: from some of the various regional FED presidents and even 251 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 9: just some of the recent inflation data which showed a 252 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 9: lot of their recent strength driven by services, not necessarily 253 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 9: it being all tariff induce which I think would have 254 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 9: made it easier for the FED to look through. So 255 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 9: I think if he doesn't signal that clear hint in September, 256 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 9: and it'll still probably be viewed as hackish, but I 257 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 9: think markets have kind of shifted that way anyway, anticipating 258 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 9: they won't get that clear, clear green light for September. 259 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: I think there is some anticipation that Chairman pal is 260 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: going to talk about changes to the Fed's framework for 261 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: addressing inflation and weakness and the labor market. What do 262 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 4: you expect there and the market reaction to that. We've 263 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 4: got about a minute left, sure. 264 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 9: So we are expecting that they'll announce the new framework, 265 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 9: and I think what we'll see is a more symmetric 266 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 9: approach to that, so formally ditching FATE. So that was 267 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 9: the flexible average inflation target where they said they would 268 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 9: make up for pass undershoot, so just returning to that 269 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 9: simple two percent target, but also taking a more symmetric 270 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 9: approach to its maximum employment side, so not focusing on 271 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 9: only short falls but instead rather any deviation. So I 272 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 9: think this could be interpreted as a more hawkish reaction 273 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 9: function than the prior framework. 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