WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Chaim Weiss

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Helen Gone Murder Line actively investigates cold

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<v Speaker 2>It was Friday night, October 31, 1986, Halloween night. It

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<v Speaker 2>was also the start of Shabbat, the Jewish Sabbath. During

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<v Speaker 2>the summer, massive crowds packed the local boardwalk. But in

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<v Speaker 2>the spooky season, Long Beach gets quiet. The young men

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<v Speaker 2>who lived in the dormitory of the Yeshiva, a Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>school that focused on religious study, including the Talmud, Torah,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jewish law, had to follow a strict list of rules.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a boarding school, and the young men's classes

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<v Speaker 2>were located about three blocks away. After finishing their daytime

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<v Speaker 2>courses and their mandatory one-hour evening study time, the young

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<v Speaker 2>men returned to the dorms, housed inside a sprawling converted

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<v Speaker 2>mansion at 63 East Beach Street. There were 45 young

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<v Speaker 2>men in that dormitory. Most of them shared their quarters

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<v Speaker 2>with roommates. But 15-year-old Haim Weiss was one of only

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<v Speaker 2>two students in the entire building who lived in a

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<v Speaker 2>private room, room 303. Because work is strictly prohibited on

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<v Speaker 2>the Sabbath, these students could not strike matches or turn

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<v Speaker 2>lights off and on, and it was dark in that mansion.

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<v Speaker 2>To accommodate them, there were lights left on on the

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<v Speaker 2>third floor, and these lights had been left burning continuously

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<v Speaker 2>since Friday afternoon. Following their dinner and Friday night services,

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<v Speaker 2>Chaim had been up late studying under one of those

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<v Speaker 2>overhead lamps with a classmate. He read alongside his study

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<v Speaker 2>partner until somewhere between 12.45 and 1 a.m. in the

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<v Speaker 2>early morning hours of November 1st. Then, Haim went back

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<v Speaker 2>to his room. Haim was an exceptional student who specifically

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<v Speaker 2>chose the yeshiva for its prestigious academic reputation. He spent

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<v Speaker 2>his days immersed in these religious texts, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed secular activities like chess and basketball. Haim had come

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<v Speaker 2>to the school the year before, in ninth grade. His father,

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<v Speaker 2>Anton Weiss, his mother, his 11-year-old brother, and his 7-year-old

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<v Speaker 2>little sister lived on Staten Island. Anton was a successful businessman.

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<v Speaker 2>He later told a Newsday reporter that Haim, whose name

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<v Speaker 2>literally translates to life, had never been out of his

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<v Speaker 2>sight before leaving for the boarding school. Anton told Newsday

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<v Speaker 2>that he and his wife had openly cried the day

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<v Speaker 2>they dropped their son off at the school for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time. The autumn air was cold that night, dropping

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<v Speaker 2>down into the low 40s. Sometime between 1.20 a.m. and

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<v Speaker 2>6 a.m. on November 1st, while Chaim lay asleep in

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<v Speaker 2>his room, an intruder entered. At some point between around

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<v Speaker 2>7.30 and 8 a.m. later that morning, the students gathered

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<v Speaker 2>downstairs to start their morning prayers. But a faculty member

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<v Speaker 2>immediately noticed that Haim's seat was empty. The adult dormitory

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<v Speaker 2>supervisor climbed the stairs back to the third floor, walked

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<v Speaker 2>down the hallway, and opened the door to room 303.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing he noticed was a shocking chill. That

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<v Speaker 2>room was freezing. This was a concerning detail because Haim's

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<v Speaker 2>friends later told investigators that He had been feeling sick

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<v Speaker 2>and was actively taking antibiotics for a sore throat. So

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<v Speaker 2>they wondered why he would leave a window open in

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<v Speaker 2>freezing weather. The faculty member looked at Haim's bed and

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<v Speaker 2>saw his feet propped against the headboard. Then on the floor,

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<v Speaker 2>he saw something covered in blood. It was the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of Haim's body. His skull had been shattered by a

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<v Speaker 2>sequence of catastrophic crushing blows from delivered with immense velocity

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<v Speaker 2>and force. The attack was so precise and so violent

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<v Speaker 2>that it didn't just kill him. It severed his spinal

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<v Speaker 2>column at the base of the neck. I'm Katherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>and Gone Murder Line. Within minutes after the horrifying discovery

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<v Speaker 2>of Haim Weiss's body, The peaceful, studious atmosphere of the

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<v Speaker 2>yeshiva of Long Beach was shattered. The police were called,

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<v Speaker 2>the students were corralled, and the peaceful Sabbath morning became

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<v Speaker 2>ground zero for one of the most terrifying, bizarre, and

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<v Speaker 2>intractable murder mysteries in the history of the state of

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<v Speaker 2>New York. When the detectives from Nassau County Police Homicide

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<v Speaker 2>Squad arrived at 63 East Beach Street, they found a

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene that seemed to defy logic. The school, as

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<v Speaker 2>we said before, was basically an old mansion that had

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<v Speaker 2>been refurbed and separated into dormitories. The layout of the

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<v Speaker 2>school will become extremely important later in solving this mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing was out of place in the room other than

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<v Speaker 2>the victim. It didn't look like there had been a fight.

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<v Speaker 2>There were no obvious signs of foul play. There was

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<v Speaker 2>also no obvious sign of a break-in. Since the window

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<v Speaker 2>was open, police wondered... Could the killer or killers have

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<v Speaker 2>come in that way? Because whoever came in must have

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<v Speaker 2>done so quietly. The medical examiner found no signs of

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<v Speaker 2>defensive wounds on Haim's hands or forearms and believed that

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<v Speaker 2>Haim had been attacked while he was asleep. Chaim was

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<v Speaker 2>found on the floor with his feet propped up against

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<v Speaker 2>the bed frame, which meant that the killer was probably

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<v Speaker 2>standing directly over him when the killer hit him with

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<v Speaker 2>what was described as a heavy bladed murder weapon. And

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<v Speaker 2>Chaim had been killed instantly. These were not the clean

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<v Speaker 2>cuts of a knife. They were wide crushing gashes that

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<v Speaker 2>indicated a sharp edged tool. Something more like a hatchet

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<v Speaker 2>or a fireman's axe or a heavy cleaver. Forensic pathology

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<v Speaker 2>indicated that the weapon left two distinct, huge fracture patterns

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<v Speaker 2>on Haim's skull. He was stabbed multiple times in the

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<v Speaker 2>face and the neck and the head and suffered a

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<v Speaker 2>laceration of the brain. Haim was still wearing his pajamas

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<v Speaker 2>and there was no sign of sexual assault. Nothing was

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<v Speaker 2>missing from the room, so there was also no sign

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<v Speaker 2>of robbery. But then came the forensic timeline. Investigators figured

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<v Speaker 2>out that someone had returned to room 303 to move

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<v Speaker 2>Haim's body after the attack. They figured this out because

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<v Speaker 2>although Haim was discovered on the floor, a detailed examination

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence proved that his body had actually remained in

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<v Speaker 2>the bed for several hours after he was killed. Forensic

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<v Speaker 2>investigators figured this out because of studying the lividity patterns.

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<v Speaker 2>When a person dies and their heart stops pumping, gravity

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<v Speaker 2>causes the blood to settle into the lowest points of

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<v Speaker 2>the body. This creates a distinct purplish discoloration on the skin.

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<v Speaker 2>When the medical examiner inspected Haim, the internal lividity patterns

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<v Speaker 2>did not match the exact posture in which he was found,

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<v Speaker 2>sprawled across the bed. It takes approximately two to six

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<v Speaker 2>hours for lividity to fix permanently in place. In Heim's case,

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<v Speaker 2>the blood had settled into a lying flat position, but

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<v Speaker 2>the body was found directly on the linoleum floor with

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<v Speaker 2>the feet awkwardly propped up on the bed frame, so

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<v Speaker 2>the feet were obliterated. the torso, which meant that someone

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<v Speaker 2>had come in and moved Haim's body in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night. According to lead detective Dawn Daly, the

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene analysis indicated that Haim's body had been handled

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<v Speaker 2>and moved twice post-mortem. It was first moved from the

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<v Speaker 2>bed to the ground, and then later shifted to another

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<v Speaker 2>position on the floor, roughly two feet away. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was also another strange detail. Someone left a lit candle

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<v Speaker 2>in the room. So, one of the first questions that

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<v Speaker 2>was asked is, was the killer someone from inside the

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<v Speaker 2>school or outside? And the second question was, who moved

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<v Speaker 2>that body? Was it the killer or someone else? Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>trying to help him, maybe to administer first aid, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe just to confuse the crime scene. From the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>detectives admitted that they were baffled by the circumstances of

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<v Speaker 2>this case. Detective Sergeant John Nolan told Newsday that it was, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>a very bizarre, motiveless crime and appears to be murder

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<v Speaker 2>for the sake of murder. Police did investigate the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>that someone from the outside could have come up the

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<v Speaker 2>fire escape and climbed in the window, especially because it

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<v Speaker 2>was Halloween night. Detectives investigated reports that on that Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of students at the school had been chased

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<v Speaker 2>and egged, but this was put down to just random

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<v Speaker 2>Halloween pranks. At the time, though, there was another killer

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<v Speaker 2>operating in Long Beach. there had been a series of

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<v Speaker 2>attacks by a hatchet-wielding assailant starting in the summer of 1986,

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<v Speaker 2>mainly targeting seniors living near the boardwalk. In February of 1987,

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Lieutenant Joe Morrison told Newsday that the first four

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<v Speaker 2>boardwalk attacks all had similarities. All victims were struck on

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<v Speaker 2>the upper body. None of the victims had signs of

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<v Speaker 2>sexual intent. And no property was stolen. But the detective

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<v Speaker 2>told the newspaper that police found no link between the

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<v Speaker 2>summer 1986 boardwalk bludgeonings and the Haim Weiss case. And

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<v Speaker 2>detectives began to focus more and more on the theories.

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<v Speaker 2>that the killer had an intimate familiarity with the school's

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<v Speaker 2>inner layout. Whoever came into the room did not seem

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<v Speaker 2>like someone who just stumbled in. Detectives believed they had

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<v Speaker 2>to know the layout of the school and that they

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<v Speaker 2>knew that they were entering one of only two private rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>This did not seem like a random crime of opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Detectives continued to say that they had ruled out anti-Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>as a motive. or any kind of sexual assault or robbery.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm wondering how did detectives rule those possibilities out?

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<v Speaker 2>And if the motive was not robbery or sexual assault

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<v Speaker 2>or anti-Semitism, what was it? Another mystery was the murder weapon,

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<v Speaker 2>because police never found it. Police did find a knife

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<v Speaker 2>on school grounds a few hours after Haim's murder, but

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<v Speaker 2>they found no blood on it. and never confirmed that

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<v Speaker 2>it was used in the attack. In an interview with

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<v Speaker 2>Newsday in October of 1987, Heim's father said that he

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<v Speaker 2>was dealing with some friction with detectives because he admitted

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<v Speaker 2>he inserted himself into the investigation. But he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't care. He just wanted to find his son's

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<v Speaker 2>killer and believed that the killer had outsmarted the police.

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<v Speaker 2>Another really big mystery in this case was the open window,

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<v Speaker 2>because detectives could not figure out why that window would

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<v Speaker 2>have been left open on a freezing November morning. But

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<v Speaker 2>consulting with scholars in traditional Jewish customs provided a chilling

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<v Speaker 2>alternative explanation. In certain traditional Orthodox circles, it is an

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<v Speaker 2>ancient custom to immediately throw open the window of a

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<v Speaker 2>room where a person has died. This is supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>allow the soul to depart the physical space and return

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<v Speaker 2>to the heavens. It was also reportedly customary for the

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<v Speaker 2>body to be moved to the lowest and coolest point

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<v Speaker 2>of the room, which in Heim's case would be the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>But this part is what I don't understand because I

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<v Speaker 2>did a deep dive into Jewish law. Admittedly, I am

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<v Speaker 2>not an expert in this area, but I did do

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of research, and it seems like moving

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<v Speaker 2>the body in this way would actually violate Jewish law,

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<v Speaker 2>not follow it, because you're not allowed to move a

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<v Speaker 2>body on the Sabbath. Jewish law does allow a body

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<v Speaker 2>to be moved under certain circumstances, but these are very

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<v Speaker 2>extreme circumstances, such as protecting it from being destroyed by

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<v Speaker 2>an active fire or keeping it from being eaten by

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<v Speaker 2>wild animals. None of these conditions applied in Haim's room.

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<v Speaker 2>A local rabbi spoke to the Jewish star, and he

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<v Speaker 2>told that publication that he believed that whoever moved the

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<v Speaker 2>body and lit the candle was acting out of what

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<v Speaker 2>they perceived to be respect, but that, quote, lighting a

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<v Speaker 2>candle for the dead does not override the laws of Shabbat,

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. The candle is more complicated. because the candle

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a direct violation if it happened before

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night. But then I looked at a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>historical newspaper reports, and a lot of them said that

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<v Speaker 2>a rabbi had asked permission to light that candle. And

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<v Speaker 2>the reports don't specify a time frame for that. So

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<v Speaker 2>that could have happened after sundown. Music Maybe the killer

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<v Speaker 2>was a fellow student, someone who panicked and wasn't thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about following Jewish law. Initially, police had assumed that whoever

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<v Speaker 2>moved Haim's body was trying to render first aid or

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<v Speaker 2>trying to follow some maybe misguided Jewish custom. But all

0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.620
<v Speaker 2>of the students were interviewed and all of them insisted

0:17:15.860 --> 0:17:19.100
<v Speaker 2>no one touched Haim. So were they just scared to

0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.430
<v Speaker 2>admit that they had moved him? Or could someone have

0:17:22.450 --> 0:17:27.530
<v Speaker 2>been covering up for the killer? The candle continued to

0:17:27.570 --> 0:17:30.570
<v Speaker 2>confuse investigators over the years, and it turned out there

0:17:30.630 --> 0:17:35.020
<v Speaker 2>wasn't just one mysterious candle, there were two. As we mentioned,

0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.300
<v Speaker 2>it turned out the first candle wasn't actually a mystery.

0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.480
<v Speaker 2>At some point, a rabbi asked permission from police to

0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:47.420
<v Speaker 2>light a traditional seven-day memorial candle inside room 303, which

0:17:47.500 --> 0:17:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the police agreed to. before the room was sealed and

0:17:50.900 --> 0:17:54.990
<v Speaker 2>taped shut with crime scene tape. But then, on November 2nd,

0:17:55.430 --> 0:17:58.250
<v Speaker 2>when detectives went to the room to perform a perimeter check,

0:17:58.970 --> 0:18:03.150
<v Speaker 2>they found a second burning memorial candle sitting directly next

0:18:03.170 --> 0:18:06.700
<v Speaker 2>to the first one. But no one ever admitted to

0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.270
<v Speaker 2>lighting it. And Detective Daly later noted the deep frustration

0:18:11.370 --> 0:18:15.250
<v Speaker 2>of this moment. He publicly said that if someone had

0:18:15.310 --> 0:18:17.760
<v Speaker 2>lit that second candle out of a genuine gesture of

0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.420
<v Speaker 2>sympathy or love for Chaim, there was no logical reason

0:18:21.700 --> 0:18:24.800
<v Speaker 2>for them to hide it from the homicide squad. From

0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, there seemed to be a clash of cultures

0:18:28.300 --> 0:18:32.450
<v Speaker 2>that hindered this investigation. Because it was Shabbat, the school's

0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.400
<v Speaker 2>administration and the rabbis famously informed the detectives that they

0:18:36.460 --> 0:18:40.780
<v Speaker 2>could not fully cooperate. They couldn't write down timelines or

0:18:40.860 --> 0:18:45.520
<v Speaker 2>do interviews with secular authorities until the Sabbath officially ended,

0:18:45.660 --> 0:18:49.170
<v Speaker 2>which would have been after sundown on Saturday night. So

0:18:49.210 --> 0:18:54.270
<v Speaker 2>this created a 10-hour investigative delay that was heavily frustrating

0:18:54.350 --> 0:18:59.480
<v Speaker 2>for the homicide squad. Another question I had was, Why

0:18:59.580 --> 0:19:03.250
<v Speaker 2>was Chaim assigned the single room? And could that have

0:19:03.310 --> 0:19:06.890
<v Speaker 2>had something to do with his murder? Chaim's father told

0:19:06.970 --> 0:19:09.850
<v Speaker 2>Newsday that he had asked a rabbi this question, and

0:19:09.930 --> 0:19:12.590
<v Speaker 2>he had been told that Chaim had been assigned to

0:19:12.650 --> 0:19:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the single room because his interaction with the other boys

0:19:16.980 --> 0:19:20.600
<v Speaker 2>wasn't good. That's a quote from the newspaper article. This

0:19:20.660 --> 0:19:24.860
<v Speaker 2>was because, according to Anton, Chaim's father, Chaim wore secular

0:19:24.940 --> 0:19:28.780
<v Speaker 2>clothes and he was described as immature. which Anton said

0:19:28.860 --> 0:19:32.180
<v Speaker 2>made his stomach turn. But the rabbis didn't give a

0:19:32.220 --> 0:19:36.120
<v Speaker 2>reason publicly for the single room. They never said anything

0:19:36.220 --> 0:19:40.120
<v Speaker 2>publicly about problems with Haim in the school. In fact,

0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.920
<v Speaker 2>they said he was a good student with a lot

0:19:42.940 --> 0:19:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of promise. But maybe Haim had a conflict with another

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.060
<v Speaker 2>student or a faculty member, one that his dad wasn't

0:19:51.100 --> 0:19:56.320
<v Speaker 2>aware of. In 1992, Unsolved Mysteries filmed an episode about

0:19:56.340 --> 0:20:00.610
<v Speaker 2>this case. And Nassau homicide detective Don Daly told the

0:20:00.650 --> 0:20:04.110
<v Speaker 2>TV program that a jogger told police that they had

0:20:04.190 --> 0:20:07.190
<v Speaker 2>seen someone who appeared to be a yeshiva student on

0:20:07.230 --> 0:20:10.930
<v Speaker 2>the boardwalk about 15 minutes before Haim's body was found.

0:20:11.610 --> 0:20:14.030
<v Speaker 2>The detective said that that would have been unusual to

0:20:14.070 --> 0:20:16.210
<v Speaker 2>come out to the boardwalk and hang out there before

0:20:16.290 --> 0:20:20.020
<v Speaker 2>morning prayer. So he wanted to find out who that

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:25.350
<v Speaker 2>person was. But to my knowledge, detectives have never identified

0:20:25.390 --> 0:20:29.640
<v Speaker 2>that person or even positively confirmed that there was a

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.070
<v Speaker 2>student out on the boardwalk that morning. Could a killer

0:20:33.150 --> 0:20:36.770
<v Speaker 2>have come in from the outside? Police said the killer

0:20:36.810 --> 0:20:39.430
<v Speaker 2>could have accessed the room in a few ways. A

0:20:39.490 --> 0:20:42.370
<v Speaker 2>fire escape door leads to the same stairwell as the

0:20:42.410 --> 0:20:46.280
<v Speaker 2>bedroom door of Heim's room. And the stairwell leads down

0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:51.260
<v Speaker 2>to an old service entrance. The Nassau County Police Department

0:20:51.540 --> 0:20:54.540
<v Speaker 2>realized very quickly that that they were not just fighting

0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.740
<v Speaker 2>a killer, they were fighting what they perceived to be

0:20:57.860 --> 0:21:01.660
<v Speaker 2>a wall of silence. The yeshiva of Long Beach was

0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:07.300
<v Speaker 2>a closed ecosystem. The young men who attended school there lived, ate, slept,

0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and breathed the Torah. They had minimal contact with the

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 2>secular world outside. They didn't watch television or read local newspapers,

0:21:15.900 --> 0:21:18.720
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't really participate in the secular culture of

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.930
<v Speaker 2>Long Beach. the detectives set up an interrogation room inside

0:21:22.950 --> 0:21:26.740
<v Speaker 2>the school. They called in every single student who lived

0:21:26.780 --> 0:21:29.540
<v Speaker 2>on the third floor, along with the rabbis, the teachers,

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and the maintenance staff. Students claimed that they had not

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.280
<v Speaker 2>heard anything going on in Haim's room or seen anything

0:21:36.340 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>weird on Halloween night. Again, the politics of the school

0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:45.560
<v Speaker 2>made the investigation more complicated because in many ultra-Orthodox communities,

0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:50.650
<v Speaker 2>there is a deep-seated historical distrust of secular authorities, And

0:21:50.810 --> 0:21:54.180
<v Speaker 2>there's also this belief in the community that internal matters,

0:21:54.260 --> 0:21:57.420
<v Speaker 2>no matter how severe, should be handled within the community

0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.950
<v Speaker 2>rather than by the secular courts and the secular police.

0:22:02.310 --> 0:22:06.210
<v Speaker 2>There's also an additional complication. There's another piece of Jewish law.

0:22:06.990 --> 0:22:11.280
<v Speaker 2>It's a strict prohibition against derogatory speech or gossiping about

0:22:11.370 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 2>fellow Jews. So, viewed this way, to point a finger

0:22:15.100 --> 0:22:18.460
<v Speaker 2>at a classmate or a rabbi, even in the context

0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:22.250
<v Speaker 2>of a brutal murder investigation, would be viewed by some

0:22:22.310 --> 0:22:26.050
<v Speaker 2>people within the walls of the yeshiva as a profound

0:22:26.290 --> 0:22:31.360
<v Speaker 2>spiritual betrayal. So, frustrated by the lack of local progress,

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.490
<v Speaker 2>Nassau County detectives went to the FBI. They asked for

0:22:35.550 --> 0:22:40.450
<v Speaker 2>assistance from the Behavioral Science Unit from Quantico. The FBI

0:22:40.530 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>came back to the local detectives and told them something

0:22:43.780 --> 0:22:46.900
<v Speaker 2>that turned the investigation on its head. The Bureau said

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.930
<v Speaker 2>straight up that they did not believe that an outsider

0:22:50.150 --> 0:22:53.460
<v Speaker 2>had committed this murder. They said the likelihood of a

0:22:53.540 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 2>random killer entering a highly secure, locked religious facility on

0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:02.210
<v Speaker 2>Halloween night, then navigating a maze of unfamiliar corridors to

0:23:02.250 --> 0:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the third floor selecting one specific boy out of dozens

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:10.700
<v Speaker 2>of unlocked rooms, brutally hacking him to death, then moving

0:23:10.740 --> 0:23:13.300
<v Speaker 2>the body in that way, this kind of misguided attempt

0:23:13.360 --> 0:23:16.980
<v Speaker 2>to follow orthodox death rituals, and leaving without a blood

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:24.090
<v Speaker 2>trail or without taking anything was extremely unlikely. The behavior

0:23:24.170 --> 0:23:27.290
<v Speaker 2>profiler from the FBI believed that the killer was an insider.

0:23:28.490 --> 0:23:32.420
<v Speaker 2>Once the insider theory was officially established, the focus of

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the investigation shifted heavily toward the faculty and the internal

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 2>dynamics of the school. And that is when the first

0:23:41.180 --> 0:24:02.200
<v Speaker 2>cracks in the school's pristine reputation started to appear. Anton

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Weiss told police that during the summer of 1986, just

0:24:06.300 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>months before his death, Chaim had been attending a summer

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:13.140
<v Speaker 2>camp run by the Yeshiva Network. While he was there,

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Chaim had gotten super upset and cried during phone calls

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:20.260
<v Speaker 2>to his dad, begging his father to let him come home.

0:24:20.980 --> 0:24:25.070
<v Speaker 2>But Chaim never told his father what was upsetting him. Then,

0:24:25.370 --> 0:24:29.850
<v Speaker 2>while Chaim was visiting his grandparents in Europe, Rabbi Avram Cooper,

0:24:30.210 --> 0:24:33.850
<v Speaker 2>the principal at the Yeshiva, called the Weiss family home

0:24:33.990 --> 0:24:37.350
<v Speaker 2>and he asked to meet with Haim. Records indicate that

0:24:37.410 --> 0:24:39.950
<v Speaker 2>as soon as Haim arrived back in New York, his

0:24:40.010 --> 0:24:43.690
<v Speaker 2>parents drove him directly to Rabbi Cooper's private residence in

0:24:43.750 --> 0:24:48.660
<v Speaker 2>Borough Park, Brooklyn. Anton Weiss stated that the principal instructed

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the parents to wait outside in their car while he

0:24:51.740 --> 0:24:56.260
<v Speaker 2>talked to the 15-year-old inside his house. That private meeting

0:24:56.300 --> 0:25:00.190
<v Speaker 2>between Rabbi Cooper and Haim lasted about 10 minutes. According

0:25:00.230 --> 0:25:03.310
<v Speaker 2>to Haim's father, When his son returned to the car,

0:25:03.410 --> 0:25:07.730
<v Speaker 2>he appeared visibly upset, but he refused to discuss what

0:25:07.770 --> 0:25:13.740
<v Speaker 2>happened during that conversation. When investigative journalists later confronted Rabbi

0:25:13.780 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Cooper regarding the nature of the 1986 meeting, the principal

0:25:17.780 --> 0:25:21.330
<v Speaker 2>declined to provide an explanation. In a recorded 2017 broadcast

0:25:21.350 --> 0:25:27.310
<v Speaker 2>interview with Pix11 News, When asked directly about that encounter,

0:25:27.830 --> 0:25:31.910
<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Cooper stated, I have no answers, before walking away

0:25:32.010 --> 0:25:37.790
<v Speaker 2>from reporters. The police did polygraph tests, many members of

0:25:37.850 --> 0:25:41.330
<v Speaker 2>staff and the student body, but there were no suspects

0:25:41.370 --> 0:25:45.050
<v Speaker 2>developed as a result of that. The Nassau County Police

0:25:45.090 --> 0:25:49.050
<v Speaker 2>Crime Lab searched every square inch of room 303 for

0:25:49.090 --> 0:25:52.250
<v Speaker 2>a definitive piece of biological evidence that could break the

0:25:52.270 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>case wide open. but the lack of physical evidence turned

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.860
<v Speaker 2>out to be a serious problem for detectives because not

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.500
<v Speaker 2>only had the killer been strong, they had been clean.

0:26:02.020 --> 0:26:04.540
<v Speaker 2>There were no bloody palm prints on the white walls,

0:26:05.140 --> 0:26:07.980
<v Speaker 2>no latent fingerprints on the frame of the open window,

0:26:08.700 --> 0:26:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and no traces of foreign blood or tissue that could

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:16.540
<v Speaker 2>later be tested for DNA anywhere. And police searched that

0:26:16.580 --> 0:26:20.360
<v Speaker 2>school from top to bottom, including draining the plumbing fixtures,

0:26:20.510 --> 0:26:24.270
<v Speaker 2>ripping open the ventilation shafts, and searching the roof spaces

0:26:24.370 --> 0:26:29.070
<v Speaker 2>and the boilers underneath the building. They even sent divers

0:26:29.210 --> 0:26:32.570
<v Speaker 2>into the Atlantic Ocean just a few blocks away, sweeping

0:26:32.630 --> 0:26:35.530
<v Speaker 2>the surf line for any sign of a discarded iron

0:26:35.590 --> 0:26:40.730
<v Speaker 2>tool or a hatchet. But they never found one. They

0:26:40.830 --> 0:26:45.500
<v Speaker 2>did find one potentially explosive piece of evidence, a single

0:26:45.580 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 2>strand of hair found on Haim's bedding near his neck.

0:26:50.060 --> 0:26:54.430
<v Speaker 2>preliminary microscopic analysis confirmed that this hair did not belong

0:26:54.470 --> 0:26:57.510
<v Speaker 2>to Haim Weiss. Now, we don't know a ton about

0:26:57.550 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 2>this hair. Remember, this was back in 1986, so DNA

0:27:01.630 --> 0:27:06.770
<v Speaker 2>testing was in its absolute infancy. Back then, the polymerase

0:27:06.870 --> 0:27:10.330
<v Speaker 2>chain reaction method, this is the method that lets forensic

0:27:10.370 --> 0:27:13.970
<v Speaker 2>science replicate tiny amounts of DNA to create a profile,

0:27:14.690 --> 0:27:18.350
<v Speaker 2>was not yet a tool that investigators could use. Which meant,

0:27:18.580 --> 0:27:22.060
<v Speaker 2>back then, if investigators had tested the hair using the

0:27:22.100 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 2>methods available to them, the hair could have been completely destroyed.

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.540
<v Speaker 2>And if the test result was inconclusive, which is highly

0:27:29.620 --> 0:27:33.460
<v Speaker 2>likely given the technology of the time, The only definitive

0:27:33.500 --> 0:27:36.980
<v Speaker 2>piece of physical evidence detectives had from that room would

0:27:37.020 --> 0:27:41.570
<v Speaker 2>have been lost forever. So the investigator in charge decided

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.230
<v Speaker 2>not to test the hair. They decided to store it

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:50.490
<v Speaker 2>in a climate-controlled vault. Meanwhile, Haim's father, Anton, refused to

0:27:50.550 --> 0:27:54.430
<v Speaker 2>let his son's memory be buried. He went public, speaking

0:27:54.470 --> 0:27:57.850
<v Speaker 2>to reporters about what he called the school's lack of cooperation.

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 2>He appeared on local television programs. He wrote letters to

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:05.360
<v Speaker 2>community leaders. He was begging for someone to break the silence.

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:10.890
<v Speaker 2>Three years after Haim's murder, Anton Weiss filed a massive

0:28:10.890 --> 0:28:15.690
<v Speaker 2>$ 15 million civil lawsuit against the yeshiva of Long Beach,

0:28:16.410 --> 0:28:20.170
<v Speaker 2>accusing the school of severe negligence for failing to maintain

0:28:20.250 --> 0:28:24.250
<v Speaker 2>basic physical safety and security measures to protect his 15-year-old son.

0:28:25.290 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>The civil suit was eventually settled out of court. Meanwhile,

0:28:29.060 --> 0:28:33.650
<v Speaker 2>the school was in turmoil. After Haim's murder, the students

0:28:33.710 --> 0:28:36.270
<v Speaker 2>were scared that there could be a killer living among them,

0:28:36.770 --> 0:28:40.170
<v Speaker 2>and parents started pulling their teens out of school. Court

0:28:40.210 --> 0:28:43.710
<v Speaker 2>records obtained by Newsday showed that on December 16th, so

0:28:43.830 --> 0:28:48.130
<v Speaker 2>six weeks after Haim's brutal murder, the Yeshiva's five trustees

0:28:48.570 --> 0:28:52.610
<v Speaker 2>voted to sell the school. A group of Jewish residents

0:28:52.650 --> 0:28:55.350
<v Speaker 2>in Long Beach ended up filing a lawsuit against the school.

0:28:55.780 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>They were trying to block the move, They said the

0:28:58.270 --> 0:29:02.590
<v Speaker 2>school was a critical asset for Jews in that community. Now,

0:29:02.630 --> 0:29:05.810
<v Speaker 2>the timeline of this sale is interesting because it's disputed.

0:29:06.830 --> 0:29:10.950
<v Speaker 2>A lawsuit filed by Orthodox Jewish community members alleged that

0:29:10.990 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>officials at the school started engaging in what they called

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:20.380
<v Speaker 2>clandestine and fraudulent transactions and alleged that school officials had

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.100
<v Speaker 2>been trying to take control of the school since early

0:29:23.300 --> 0:29:28.730
<v Speaker 2>in 1986, so months before Haim's murder. the school's administrators

0:29:28.810 --> 0:29:31.590
<v Speaker 2>completely denied that there was any thought of selling the

0:29:31.610 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 2>school before November 1st. They said that the pending sale

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.580
<v Speaker 2>was a direct result of the murder and the fear afterwards.

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>In the end, the school was sold for $ 2 million,

0:29:42.940 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>which Newsday reported was considerably less than its open market value.

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:49.790
<v Speaker 2>It was sold to a holding company owned by a

0:29:49.830 --> 0:29:53.590
<v Speaker 2>former student, who the newspaper reported had been a trustee

0:29:53.650 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>but had resigned shortly after Heim's murder. It's not clear

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.420
<v Speaker 2>what happened next because both sides in the lawsuit agreed

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>to move future conflicts to a Beth Dean, a private

0:30:05.380 --> 0:30:09.580
<v Speaker 2>Jewish arbitration court, so any court records after that would

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:14.470
<v Speaker 2>not be public. But police did confirm to Newsday that

0:30:14.510 --> 0:30:18.250
<v Speaker 2>the homicide detectives were examining the lawsuit for any leads

0:30:18.270 --> 0:30:21.550
<v Speaker 2>that they could use in investigating the murder. But so far,

0:30:21.950 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>none have come to light, at least not publicly. Haim's

0:30:26.340 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>father continued his own investigation. He offered a $ 100, 000 reward and,

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.860
<v Speaker 2>with his civil suit, had been trying to get a

0:30:34.180 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of the questions we've asked in this podcast answered,

0:30:37.900 --> 0:30:42.050
<v Speaker 2>starting with, why did Haim have his own room? Was

0:30:42.110 --> 0:30:45.710
<v Speaker 2>it a random lottery or had he requested that? Was

0:30:45.750 --> 0:30:49.050
<v Speaker 2>he being bullied by someone or could he have been

0:30:49.090 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 2>bullying someone? As part of this civil lawsuit, Anton got

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 2>a court order to get names and addresses of his

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 2>son's classmates. There were rumors at one point that police

0:31:02.300 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>did have a person of interest, a janitor who had

0:31:05.660 --> 0:31:08.700
<v Speaker 2>worked at the school. Some people in the community said

0:31:08.860 --> 0:31:11.570
<v Speaker 2>that they had heard this janitor left his position at

0:31:11.590 --> 0:31:14.090
<v Speaker 2>the school after the murder and moved back to his

0:31:14.130 --> 0:31:18.250
<v Speaker 2>home country, Poland, and that police had actually traveled to

0:31:18.290 --> 0:31:21.970
<v Speaker 2>Poland to interview him. But no suspect was ever announced.

0:31:22.510 --> 0:31:26.900
<v Speaker 2>No one was ever arrested or charged. We still don't

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 2>know who opened the window, who moved the body, or

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:34.820
<v Speaker 2>who left that second candle burning in Haim's room. Nassau

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>County have remained pretty quiet on the details of the investigation.

0:31:39.230 --> 0:31:41.690
<v Speaker 2>But one thing that they and the FBI have said

0:31:41.770 --> 0:31:45.350
<v Speaker 2>publicly was that they believe this is someone familiar with

0:31:45.390 --> 0:31:47.990
<v Speaker 2>the school and that the layout of the dorm rooms

0:31:48.150 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 2>and the killing was deeply personal. The Nassau County medical

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>examiner described the attack as a frenzy-type killing. The students

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.930
<v Speaker 2>who were on the floor that night moved on. They

0:32:00.970 --> 0:32:04.830
<v Speaker 2>graduated and spread into different communities across the United States

0:32:05.110 --> 0:32:11.010
<v Speaker 2>and Israel. In 2013, 27 years after Haim Weiss was murdered,

0:32:11.630 --> 0:32:15.530
<v Speaker 2>the Nassau County Police Department made a dramatic announcement. The

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<v Speaker 2>Homicide Squad officially reopened the case file. They assigned a

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<v Speaker 2>new team of cold case detectives to reexamine every single

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<v Speaker 2>lead from the 1986 files. And they announced an increased

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<v Speaker 2>reward of $ 25, 000 for any information leading to an arrest

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<v Speaker 2>and conviction. While police have never officially brought internal charges

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<v Speaker 2>or named any staff member in connection with the crime,

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<v Speaker 2>the passage of decades has allowed some former students to

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<v Speaker 2>speak more openly about their personal experiences within the institution.

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<v Speaker 2>Following an investigative report by PIX11 News, a former student

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<v Speaker 2>who attended the high school in the late 1970s stepped

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<v Speaker 2>forward on the record. This student publicly alleged that during

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<v Speaker 2>his time at the school, a decade prior to the murders,

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<v Speaker 2>the environment suffered from what he called instances of harsh

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<v Speaker 2>physical discipline by individual staff members. Though police have never

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<v Speaker 2>explicitly tied these misconduct allegations to Haim's death, they have

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<v Speaker 2>stated over the years that they believe this was an

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<v Speaker 2>inside job. I can't help wondering about those months before

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<v Speaker 2>the murder. Was there something else going on at school?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that why Haim was crying on the phone to

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<v Speaker 2>his dad? His father has indicated that he doesn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>that his son was killed in a random dispute over

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<v Speaker 2>schoolwork or petty teenage rivalry. He believes that this was

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<v Speaker 2>someone who knew Chaim very well and that this was

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<v Speaker 2>very personal. Maybe it's something the police have missed. And

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<v Speaker 2>if they have, it might be down to those former

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<v Speaker 2>students or maybe even their children or grandchildren to come forward.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI experts believe that the killer was an insider,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who was willing to break Jewish law on the

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<v Speaker 2>Sabbath due to feeling an immense wave of guilt. Haim's father, Anton,

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<v Speaker 2>told Newsday in 1987 that he believed that the police

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<v Speaker 2>were doing their best, but that in his opinion, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel maybe someone's pulling the wool over their eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. After operating for 50 years at its Long

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<v Speaker 2>Beach location, the school moved to a more modern campus.

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<v Speaker 2>But there may still be secrets buried inside that old

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<v Speaker 2>converted mansion. I'm Katherine Townsend. This is Hell and Gone

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<v Speaker 2>Murder Line. Hell and Gone Murder Line is a production

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<v Speaker 2>narrated by me, Katherine Townsend, and produced by Edelise Perez.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Amy Tubbs for her research assistance and

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<v Speaker 2>James Wheaton for legal review. Noah Cameron mixed and scored

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