1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Jay, thank you for getting up after last 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: night's game. Where do you want to start? Well, it 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: sounds like you could do some legal repreation. I'd be 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: happy to help you with your trademark copyright issues. How 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: are you on trademark and copyright infringement? Pretty good? Actually, 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: I actually had had a case, a pretty good case 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: in trademark copyright. Okay, we came up with Tampa Bay, 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: we tweeted it out, put it on our show, we 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: had a T shirts made, and then we heard from 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's camp a season desist? Did we have any 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: legal grounds to stand on? You probably did, But that's 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: that's a normal practice for people that are trying to 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: protect intellectual property. They have to, you know, they send 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: a season desist and they might take further action. If 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: they don't, they run the risk of losing their their 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: trademark copyright rights. So um, if you would have pushed back, 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: who knows where it would have been. But usually what 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: people do is they just gotta stop because they don't 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: want to deal with this. Yeah, and that's easier thought. 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know whether Tom Brady 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: or his companies have trademarked that or they have copyright 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: um protection for it. They trademarked it after we came 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: up with it. Wow, that that'd be a that'd be 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: a fun fight. Let's I say, let's roll up our sleeve. No, no, 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: because your friends with remember Tom stayed over at your house. 27 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: Would you be willing? But that doesn't make us friends 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: that that this is money man. Okay, are you willing 29 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: to take on Augusta because we got to cease and 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: desist from Augusta. That's different. I'd like to play there. 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: All right, That's all I needed you for. Jay, Thanks 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: for coming on. How would you describe the first five 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: minutes of last night beat down? Um? Baylor just crawled 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: into Gonzaga and just was just, I mean, the physical 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: presence they had on the floor. They seemed bigger, seemed stronger, 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: and they just took everything from Gonzaga. It wasn't like, 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think most of us going into the 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: game and said, you know, Gonzaga needs to take care 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: of the ball. That Baylor forces a turnover on almost 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: twenty five percent of their opponent's possessions during the year. 41 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: But it wasn't like Gonzaga was throwing the ball away. 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: Baylor was taking it from him. And there's a difference, 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: and they could you know, Gonzaga couldn't run anything, They 44 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: couldn't get They basically had their backs turn in trying 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: to run some sort of offense. So while all of 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: us were talking about maybe the best passing and cutting 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: team we've seen, and I don't know how long because 48 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: who ranks that stuff, but I couldn't. I couldn't remember 49 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: anybody better. They couldn't see the cutters because they were 50 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: just overwhelmed with ball pressure and pushed further out. Drew 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: Timmy was trying to drive some of the big guys 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: and he, you know, he lost the ball on occasion. 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I think he turned it over three times in the 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: first ten minutes. And then Baylor just went after whatever 55 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: matchup they liked, and Gonzaga was switching and Drew Timmy 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: switches out on Macot or something like that, and they're like, okay, 57 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: here we go and just went after It was like 58 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: an NBA team going after a EuroLeague team. Are we 59 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: going to remember Baylor winning a championship or are we 60 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: gonna this year with or Gonzaga with you know, Suggs's 61 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: game winner to beat UCLA. Like fifteen years from now, 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: are we when we think of this year, what do 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: you think we're going to remember? I think we'll remember both. 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we'll remember Gonzaga as as being 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: a great team that was right there to do something 66 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: that hasn't been done in forty five years and falling 67 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: short obviously, and you'll always remember the champion and Baylor 68 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: like this year, Dani, I mean you you probably heard 69 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: it and said it as much as I did, that 70 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Gonzaga and Taylor were the top tier of the game. 71 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: They had separated themselves early in the season. They were 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: the best teams. And when Baylor, I believe this to 73 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: be true that if Baylor had not gone through that 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: COVID pause they had. I think it was in February 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: where they were they were off for eighteen days and 76 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was a contact tracing COVID pause. 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: They had eight or nine guys on their team that 78 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: had the virus, so it knocked them sideways and they 79 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: weren't the same team when they came back. Initially, I 80 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: did their second game back. I think it was at 81 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: Kansas and they got to be pretty good there. And 82 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: I remember saying during the game like, this is not 83 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the Baylor team we've seen. This is the COVID Baylor 84 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: team and getting criticized for queer making excuses Kansas is 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: a better team, and I'm like, no, they're not. I mean, 86 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: they're winning, but they're not the better team. Like come on, 87 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't ignore what we've seen and what 88 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: we may see again. And then in the in the 89 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament, it was Gonzaga and Baylor, and that's pretty 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: much it. Those were the two best teams. I just 91 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: didn't anticipate Gonzaga getting hit like that, Like so, I 92 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: mean you saw the game. So when they knocked it 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: to ten, When Gonzaga got it down to ten at halftime, 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: I was in, Okay, that's a manageable number, Like we 95 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: could see that, we could see they can do this. 96 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: And then Jared Butler hit a couple three is to 97 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: start the second half. You're like, Okay, whatever crack there 98 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: was in that door, it is now shot. The game 99 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: was over after the first three minutes of the second half. 100 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: We were always looking to replicate the champions, a style 101 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: that champions have NFL. It happens all the time. But 102 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: can you replicate what Baylor does? They led the nation 103 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: in three point field goal percentage. I think the only 104 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: other national title team to do that was Indiana back 105 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: with Steve Alford maybe the first year they had the 106 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: three point shot. You can you replicate what they did? Yeah, 107 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: but you're going to have to have great guards that 108 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: can defend at that high of a level. Like I 109 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: think their three point shooting was a big factor obviously, 110 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: sleep but it wasn't the only factor. That Early on 111 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: in the season, I think we had identified Baylor as 112 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: having the best defensive backcourt in the country, and I'm 113 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: not sure it was a close call. And with Davion Mitchell, 114 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: like he's a lottery pick, that guy is the real deal. 115 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: He's unique in that he is unbelievably strong, and he's 116 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: unbelievably explosive. He's got another gear and he's got leverage, 117 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: he stays in front of you. Really an incredible defender. 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: It's no wonder he was the National Defensive Player of 119 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: the Year with the way he affects the game. But 120 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: Baylor was good last year, Like they were a number 121 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: one seed last year, before the tournament got called off. 122 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't think they were a no brainer to win it, 123 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: but they could have won it. And they've been knocking 124 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: on this door for quite a while now. And but 125 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: so is Gonzaga. That that's kind of the funny thing. 126 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: Gonzaga is the more interesting case to me because Baylor's 127 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: a power five team with a power five football and 128 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Gonzaga has been to six straight Sweet sixteens, 129 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: sixth straight. There's only a couple other programs that have 130 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: done that in the game's history. They've won, they've won 131 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: thirty or more, including last year, in five straight years. 132 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: That's never been done before ever. And and so we're 133 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: talking about and they've been to I think it's four 134 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: of the last six Elite eights and two of the 135 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: last four title games. That's not a fluke, Like this 136 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: is not some little mid major that they play, you know, 137 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: they play an easier schedule. Therefore they're more like that. 138 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: That's just not fair. And people are saying that now. 139 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you see it on social media, told you 140 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: they were a fraud, Like really really, they're they're really 141 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: good and they're going to be just as good next 142 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: year because they've got big time players, like now they're 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: starting to recruit the superstar high school players and they've 144 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: always gotten transfers. But they're not going to go away either. 145 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: So we're going to see this. We're we could very 146 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: likely see this again, not just with these two teams, 147 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: but Kizak is going anywhere. He's jay billis from the 148 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: Mother's ship. What about the transfer portal? Vital has been, 149 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, railing on this that we got all of 150 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: these players who are able to transfer. Where do you 151 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: stand on this? I don't think the execution of the 152 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: portal is a very good idea, Dan, But this this 153 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: is a result of two things. One, it's a result 154 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: of coaches complaining about poaching, you know, the idea that 155 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: they had a player on their roster that the player 156 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: was interested in leaving. Somebody contacted another school and said, 157 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: do you have a space? Do you have space available? 158 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: And they kind of negotiated the player's way out. Didn't 159 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: like that, didn't like the fact that the player didn't 160 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: come into their office, sit down, have a heart to 161 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: heart with good old coach and you know, let's let's 162 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: talk this out and let's let's battle through adversity. And 163 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Um. So so the coaches didn't like it. Well, 164 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: now they got the transfer portal, so the players are 165 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: telling them and they just go and uh, and it's 166 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: a it's kind of an open invitation to leave. Um 167 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: and we're going to see more of it. So the 168 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: transfer market is here to stay of. But the other 169 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: part of it is the NC double A cannot justify 170 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: this year and residence thing having a player sit out, Like, 171 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: think about this one. In high school, you have no 172 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: college experience at all, and they expect you to make 173 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: a binding decision on where you're to college. But after 174 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: you've been in college and you've experienced it, then you 175 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: can't be trusted to leave and make your decision based 176 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: upon your having college experience. Look, I know what it's 177 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: like to play for this guy. I don't want to 178 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: do it anymore. And Nope, can't be trusted. You got 179 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: to play through adversity. My parents told me to do it. 180 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: My parents wouldn't let me transfer. Well, then talk to 181 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: the parents and tell the parents tell your kid not 182 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: to transfer. But this whole thing, and then the NC 183 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: doable A didn't want to They don't want to argue 184 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: over the year in residence anymore, which was an old 185 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: vestige when there was freshman ineligibility, because they want to 186 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: argue about money, like their stance on transferring could hurt 187 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: them in court while they're arguing about money. And who 188 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen with the US Supreme Court 189 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: in the next month and a half when they come 190 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: down with their decision in the Alsta case. But I 191 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: think we've seen amateurism. Uh, it's certainly if it's not 192 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: on life support, you know, somebody's got their hand on 193 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: the plug. You know it's going to get pulled at 194 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: some point. Now, whether whether it gets pulled soon, I 195 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: don't know, but but it's not going to last much longer. 196 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: It just can't. But also you have this situation where 197 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: players wanted to meet with the NCAA president Mark Emritt, 198 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: and here they are in Indianapolis, and then he says, 199 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, we can meet after Like where are we 200 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: headed here, Jay in the next year or so? Or 201 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: is it going to be sooner than that or is 202 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: it going to be later than that that we see 203 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: maybe some kind of change. Well, first of all, Emmert. 204 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: Emmert did say he would meet with the players. There 205 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: was some sort of miscommunication there, and it was it 206 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: was reported that it would be after but he said 207 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: he'd meet with them when their schedules could do it. 208 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: So he never said he wouldn't would meet with them 209 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: during the tournament. But meeting with him is useless. Um, 210 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing nothing he can or will do. I think 211 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: to say that he has been a failure as NC 212 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: Double A president would be in an understatement. He's been 213 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: a colossal failure. But where we're headed is the players 214 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: are going to have the same rights going forward as 215 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: literally everybody else. Like, you know, the one thing that 216 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: the NC Double A has never done is they've never 217 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: evolved with the changing times. The only way they've evolved 218 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: is by saying, hey, we need to evolve in our 219 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: making money, but we can evolve with the players and 220 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: the rest of like, they're going to stay where they are, 221 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: but everything else we're going to evolve with the times. 222 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: And Look, I love coaches as much as anybody. It 223 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: may sound like I don't when I'm talking about him 224 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: right now, but I've grown a little tired of listening 225 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: to coaches saying, you know, when I got into coaching, 226 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: it was I didn't get into it for money, you know, Well, 227 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: but you took the money. You know, you didn't turn 228 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: down the money. You know. Everybody says that, Well, this 229 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: is about the kids. They call him kids all the time. 230 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: When they're adults. It's it's called men's basketball and women's basketball. 231 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: They're not kids, they're adults. And if we can sell 232 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: them for billions of dollars, if they're old enough to sell, 233 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: they're old enough to bargain for their fair market value 234 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: and just the nil thing, which everybody seems to think 235 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: is a compromise. It's going to lead to an open, 236 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: open market at some point, because it has to. But 237 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, the argument now is only Zion Williamson and 238 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence are going to make money everybody. That's not true. 239 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: Women are going to make a ton of money people 240 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: you've never heard of, because we're old men. Like this 241 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: system has been run by old white men for long 242 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: enough and it needs to open up and evolve, and 243 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: the athletes need to be allowed to act in the 244 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: marketplace just like literally everyone else, because, as you know, Dan, 245 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: far more non athletes get scholarships than athletes, and there's 246 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: no non athlete that is told what they can earn 247 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: or accept in the marketplace by virtue of being a 248 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: student or virtue of accepting a scholarship, Like do we 249 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: call that pay when a non athlete gets a scholarship, Well, 250 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: you shouldn't get anything more because you get a scholar 251 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: Like that's absurd. It's absurd to tell a non athlete lad, 252 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: And it's absurd to tell an athlete that. And look 253 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: if an individual school doesn't want to pay and then 254 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: don't pay, just like you don't have to pay your 255 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: coaches millions of dollars. You don't have to build facilities, 256 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: you don't have to have a hospital. Don't do any 257 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: of that if you don't want to. But but you know, 258 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: banding together like as a cartel, which the NC doable 259 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: a is, that's just not going to work in the 260 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: long run. It's amazing it's worked this long. But if 261 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: you if you try to read t leaves from the 262 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court's questioning and oral argument about a week ago, 263 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: they're not buying it unless they were just stress testing 264 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: an argument and they're all on the other side of it. 265 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: Long time court observers have said they didn't feel the 266 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: argument was a good thing for the NC doable. Ah, 267 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: I love you, fired up. Have a good season, whoever 268 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: that is, Jay, have a good off season. Sounds like 269 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to be jumping into court to protect you 270 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: from these evil evil Tom Brady send your seasons. Doesn't 271 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: he have enough money? You can't let you make a 272 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: T shirt. I don't even know if he knows that 273 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm the one who came up with the T shirt. 274 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: Oh he knows, Dan. He's sitting there, you think, you know, 275 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: stroking a hairless cat, you know, kind of with an 276 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: evil laugh. Dan Patrick will not have it. Probably has 277 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: a pinky ring. You're darn right. He got a Super 278 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: Bowl ring for his pinky and he's got it right 279 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: there like that, controlling the world. Yes, thank you, Jay. 280 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: Good to see about. That's Jabos from the Mothership. Be 281 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick 282 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on 283 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio WAP, bringing Chris Sims, 284 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: who knows a lot about football. Though, Chris, how are you? 285 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing good? I was wondering. I mean, first off, 286 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, Fritzie text me. I think after the first 287 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: weekend of football or basketball telling me I was in 288 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: the lead, and I was like, oh great, Wow, I 289 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: can't believe I was in the lead. But all my 290 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: final four teams were like out of it already, so 291 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna get killed there. So that 292 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: was a good game to watch. Lest I feel bad 293 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: for Gonzaga, you know, you have a year like that 294 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: and then to lose that way where it was never 295 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: even close. I do feel for them, but Baylor clearly better. Yeah. 296 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: You had Virginia, Michigan, Villanova, Illinois your final four. Yeah, man, 297 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: you went over four. I went over four. I'll be 298 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: back next year. I'm gonna I didn't watch much college 299 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: basketball this year, so I need to pay attention a 300 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: little bit more. For whatever reason, I just didn't get 301 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: into it this year. All right, let's grade what the 302 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: Jets did by trading sham Arnold to Carolina. Well, I mean, listen, 303 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: I like it. You know, one first thing off the bat, Dan, 304 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Zach Wilson fan. I think it's special. 305 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's ultimately what they're thinking too. 306 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: They're they're seeing or they're opinions line up with me 307 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: to where Wait, okay, film was great. Oh wait, now 308 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: we had Pro Day, whoa holy cow, everything we saw 309 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: in film he can do, you know in the Pro 310 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Day setting, So that kind of like you know, solidifies 311 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: that aspect of it. And of course I'm sure they 312 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: got to meet with them and talk to him a 313 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: little bit more to where they check off all the boxes. 314 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, I love it. It's Joe Douglas. He's taken 315 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: a quarterback to start his era and he's gonna build 316 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: a team with a young nucleus around this young quarterback. 317 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: Sam Donold's still really good. I still have faith in him. 318 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, for me, this was this was the right 319 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: decision for the Jets because I think Zach Wilson's kind 320 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: of that Aaron Rodgers Patrick Mahomes type talent. Now, Steve Young, 321 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame quarterback, was on KNBR in San 322 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: Francisco and he said that Zack Wilson his family wants 323 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: to heaven go to the Niners. Could could you see 324 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson say, Hey, I don't want to go to 325 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: the Jets here? WHOA? I mean that would be some 326 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: gutsy play. It's the same offense either way. I mean 327 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: that we do know now of course, Hey, I got 328 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: respect for Michael Lafleur, but he's not Kyle Shanahan. Kyle 329 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: Shanahan is arguably the most creative offensive play caller in 330 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: football certainly, and everybody's top three or four, that's for sure. 331 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: You know, John Beck who coaches Zach Wilson, he of 332 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: course played for Kyle Shanahan, so I'm sure there's some 333 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: things he's heard. But you know, again, I think that's 334 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: dicey water. Would I love that from my friend and 335 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: would I love to see Zach Wilson out there in 336 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: that offense with that football team, Sure of course I would, 337 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know if this is 338 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's that type of guy that's gonna pull this 339 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: type of move off. All Right, Carolina gets Sam Darnold. 340 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect fit for Carolina, you know. 341 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: I think the first thing that goes to my mind is, Okay, 342 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: Carolina didn't like what they might get at number eight 343 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: as far as drafting a quarterback, right, I think that's 344 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: the first thing that kind of went and oh, what's 345 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: gonna happen with these five first round quarterbacks? Now? But 346 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: then when I just talk about Sam Donald, and you know, 347 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: I know I've talked to you about this a little bit. 348 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: He didn't have a support system. Carolina is gonna run 349 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: that Joe Brady aka Sean Payton offense that we saw. 350 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: They wanted Joe Burrow, Drew Brees type of guy. Not 351 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: necessarily like the biggest arm guys in the world, but 352 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: guys who are smart can get the ball out of 353 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: their hand in a hurry, and phenomenal intermediate thrower. That's 354 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: where I always look at Sam Donald and just evaluate 355 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: him and go oooh, great twelve yard throw, Oh great 356 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: fifteen yard in cut, Wow, twenty yard you know, skinny 357 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: post perfect, all of that, And I think that's the 358 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: way they want to run their offense that way. Let 359 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: alone with the receivers they have and Robbie Anderson and 360 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: Dj Moore who's a superstar, and McCaffrey coming out and 361 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: all of that, I just think Donald's a more talented 362 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: football player and can deliver more for the offense and 363 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: talent they have there in Carolina. I'm curious if and 364 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: I've said this before, reported this that there are four 365 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: different people have said that the Niners are taking mac Jones. 366 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: But I was told that there was still some questions 367 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: about is Trey Lance make more sense? Whether that's true 368 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: or not, That's what I was told. Now you have 369 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: Atlanta at four. What's Atlanta doing is it? Do they 370 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: do they get Matt Ryan's successor or do they give 371 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: him some ammo here to make another run? I know, 372 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: well that's the million dollar question. And I think they are. 373 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: You know again, you know my thoughts. I think the 374 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: forty Niners are going to go mac Jones, all right, 375 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: I do. I think that's also why you see Carolina 376 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: make this move because they were probably hoping, wait, mac Jones, 377 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: he could be that Joe Burrow, Drew Brees guys we 378 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: talk about to run our offense. So that's why they 379 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: moved on from that. But but Atlanta is, yeah, one 380 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: of the mysteries. I mean, everybody in the NFL thinks 381 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: they're hot on Trey Lance at number four. It makes 382 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: sense as far as the situation's concerned. You know, yeah, 383 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: I think he's a that needs to sit behind somebody 384 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: for a year, you know, and learn how to play 385 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: and polish and and learn how to read defenses and 386 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: go through progressions. You don't see a ton of that 387 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: life was made very easy for him at North Dakota State. 388 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: They ran the ball, it was play actions, it was 389 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: one or two guys, and then he'd take off and 390 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: run and do that. So that from that standpoint, it 391 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: makes sense. But I mean, with the era we're in 392 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: right now, twenty twenty one, what is Matt Ryan thirty 393 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: six years old? I can't remember exactly off the top 394 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: of my head, but he's got a lot of good 395 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: years left here to where I don't just don't know 396 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: if I would quite be thinking about making the quarterback 397 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: move yet. And I would think man Ryan Tannehill plays 398 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: similar to Ryan Tannehill, who Arthur Smith just came from 399 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: there with the Tennessee Titans, and I would think that 400 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: would be a perfect fit or a perfect match together. Yeah, 401 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: I'm just unsure. If you you know, Kyle pitch in there, 402 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: I know that's what I hear you. You're right, plug 403 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: a Kyle Pits in there, and that'll change their team. 404 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: When you talk about Calvin Ridley, Julio Jones and now 405 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: him at tight end and he's a solid blocker, not 406 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: a great blocker, but willing and going to do that. 407 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: You look at all those things and Yeah, they're gonna 408 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: have something special there to deal with on that side 409 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: of the bar. But I'm also wondering, you know, you 410 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: have Cincinnati at five. Yeah, and I don't know if 411 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: is somebody gonna trade up? You know, is somebody going 412 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: to trade up to four with Atlanta? Is somebody going 413 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: to trade up to five? You know? Is Denver gonna 414 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: do anything here? It feels like, you know, that quarterback carousel. 415 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, we got the game of musical chairs, and 416 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: somebody not gonna have a seat here. I agree. I 417 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: think that's what's interesting. And I think what Atlanta you 418 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: might hear, at least from my standpoint, as we go 419 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: further here, I think there's also the possibility they go, 420 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: a wait, we don't if we want Trey Lance, it 421 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like we gotta take him at four. Maybe 422 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: they could trade down a little bit like that. You know, again, 423 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: pick number four for a quarterback who didn't play last 424 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: year and then even the year before that. Like we 425 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: talked about, the game was made simple and there's very 426 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: few drop back passes. Man, that would scare the hell 427 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: out of me. Dan, There's just no way I'd pick 428 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback like that in the top five, there's absolutely 429 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: no way. So but I think to your point, you know, 430 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: now with the Carolina seat filled Denver, I have a 431 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: hard time thinking they're gonna draft a quarterback. I could 432 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: see them maybe getting the Cheddy Bridgewater conversation or something 433 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: like that to compete with Drew Locke. If Drew Locke 434 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: falls apart early in the season, hey we got Teddy 435 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: Bridgewater to fall back on. I could certainly see that. 436 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, after you get past that top ten and 437 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: those teams we just mentioned, who else is there? Maybe 438 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: New England at fifteen, maybe Washington at nineteen. You know, 439 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: that's where it does get interesting, and it could be 440 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: one of those things where a few of these guys 441 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: followed a later in the first round. I would not 442 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: be shocked by that. I thought New England might go up, 443 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: right right, But I think, yes, I think that. I 444 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: think I had that same thought that they might go up. 445 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: But my thought was that would be to go up 446 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: to get mac Jones. And now Shanahan and the forty 447 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: nine ers have squashed that, so I'm sure that's changed 448 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: their plans a little bit too, And who knows, you know, again, 449 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: I think Kellen Mond from Texas A and m is 450 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: a first round quarterback, you know, and maybe New England's 451 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: got their eye on him in the second round trade 452 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: up then do something like that. There's still some guys 453 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: out there that that got some talent. McLevin has a 454 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: pull question for you, Chris. Okay, which team had the 455 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: best offseason in the quarterback market so far? The Rams 456 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: getting Matthew Stafford, the Panthers getting Sam Darnold, the Jets 457 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: trading Sam Darnold, the Lions getting Jared Goff, the forty 458 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: nine Ers trading up to three, or the Bears getting 459 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. WHOA, Okay, so we know it's not the Bears. Okay, 460 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: all right, so we're going to really for me, it 461 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: comes down to the Zach Wilson Jet and the Matthew 462 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: Stafford Rams. And I'm gonna go with Matthew Stafford and 463 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: the Rams right now. I am yeah. I mean, that 464 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: was a big time move by the Los Angeles Rams 465 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: to pull that off. And Stafford, you know, as we 466 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: all know, has some really really special abilities about his game. 467 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest arms ever. You know, He's 468 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: been in some crap crap situations. So now to see 469 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: him on that team with that defense. Now mcvacan open 470 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: up the playbook a little bit. I think that's the 471 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: one I'm most excited about. And of course he's a 472 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: proven commodity, not like these you know, first round picks 473 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: that we haven't seen play yet. I know what I'm 474 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: getting to. Matthew Stafford, although he hasn't won a game 475 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, Oh, I know what. You know, it's 476 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: not he can't he can't catch the ball or not 477 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: call penalties like he did in the Dallas game or 478 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: the Seattle playoff game. You know it wasn't his fault. 479 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: They didn't win those games. I think there is a 480 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: difference to that. Yeah. Yeah. Could you see a scenario 481 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: where Aaron Rodgers host Jeopardy and continues to play quarterback 482 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: for the Packers? No, I mean you're really I would 483 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: love to see it for theatrics. I mean, you and 484 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: I would have a lot of great talks, you know, 485 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: leading after games during the week if that was the case. 486 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna do that, you better be careful 487 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: of how you orchestrate it. I mean you and I 488 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: both know, like if he has a game where he 489 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: throws three interceptions and they lose by ten points, and 490 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: he was, you know, busy film and Jeopardy the Monday before. 491 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we're gonna roast him on. He's 492 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: never gonna hear the end of that. He won't he 493 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: won't film any episodes during the season. So you think 494 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: it'll be all off season? Ye yah, yeah, yeah, it 495 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: can It can happen, It can happen whatever, Yes, all right, yes, 496 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: all right, yes, I could see a scenario of that happening. 497 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: I definitely can. You know, the off season, the way 498 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: it's set up right now in the NFL, he can 499 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: certainly pull that off work, get prepared for the Green 500 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: Bay Packers, take a day here and there to do 501 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: Jeopardy is not going to ruin his preparation as long 502 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: as it's not during the season. I kind of like it. 503 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: I want to see it. Actually, Yeah, he can make 504 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: this happen. It's about fifty days, but he's got to 505 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: do five shows each day and then you meet that 506 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: number and he'd be able to do it. But I'm 507 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: there's something else going on in Green Bay. I agree, 508 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 1: That's where I wanted to go with that. I agree 509 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: there's something going on, but the only way it changes 510 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: is if they trade Jordan love. As long as Jordan 511 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: love is there, then there's going to be you know, friction, 512 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: something you know that's underlying it. And maybe it's not 513 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: even that it's percolating to the surface here it. If 514 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: you made me bet money, I would say this is 515 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers last year in Green Bay, that that it's over, 516 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: that he's gonna he's drawn a line in the sand. 517 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: There's no clarity to his future, and he's gonna dwe 518 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: he didn't draw the line in the sin. I know 519 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: he didn't. I think he's drawn. I think he's gonna 520 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: draw his own line in the sand and be like, Okay, 521 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: you want to do this, and I see your line 522 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: over there, I'm gonna wipe it away and draw my 523 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: own line and this is it. We're done. You know 524 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: I do. I have that sense too, Dad, And you 525 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: know I even brought up to Florio today about you know, 526 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: his restructuring of his contract, and I just thought, like, 527 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe he would say no to some 528 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: of those things too, just to be like, no, I'm 529 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: not helping you out. Sorry, We're not going to add 530 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: years to my career or add years to the contract 531 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: or anything like that. I'm gonna make it to where 532 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: I can wiggle and get the hell out of here 533 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: if I want. At the end of this season, how 534 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: did it work for the Patriots when they drew a 535 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: line in the sand? Not so good? Not so good. 536 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: It's it's there's some similarities here, I think, you know, 537 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's given Rogers a little confidence to where 538 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: he looks at it and goes, wait, But they're not 539 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, committing to me to the future, 540 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: and they're not willing to kind of go all in 541 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: to help me, which is some of the Brady issues 542 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: with New England. And I'm out here at the end 543 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: of my career where I need somebody that's gonna go 544 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: all in. It's it's it's on my last push. And no, 545 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: it didn't work out very well for the New England Patriots, 546 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: and that's either. But it's some point, Chris, you have 547 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: to utilize Jordan Love's contract, like you have to go, 548 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: we drafted him. You don't want to get him into 549 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: his fourth year. And then you go, Okay, let's see 550 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: what you have and now we may have to franchise 551 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: you or give you that extension it just doesn't that 552 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't make practical sense for the pack Oh, it's 553 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: bad business. That's why picking him was bad business, you know. 554 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, let's go to the one position in our 555 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: team that we know is top notch in the NFL, 556 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: and like, not even you can't even argue he's not 557 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: a top three at his position. Let's draft the guy 558 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: for the future there. I mean, that's where it does 559 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: not make sense to me at all. It never will. 560 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: Rogers was just too good last year, Like he was 561 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: better than the Packers thought he was going to be 562 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: in my opinion. I guess, so, I guess there's there's 563 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: something to that, because they're like, oh my god, he 564 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: won the MVP. You know, I know there were signs 565 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: the year before though, even though it wasn't perfect the 566 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: year before, there was still a lot of moments where 567 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: you went, ooh, he's getting comfortable in this offense. This 568 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: is starting to look like the old Aaron Rodgers once again. 569 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: And of course, yeah, you're right, he's they're on the 570 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: same page with him and la Floor. Everything's perfect. Other 571 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: than that, he could use another weapon to really kind 572 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: of make that offense elite elite. Thanks for joining us 573 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: as always. Hey, you're the man. Keep your head up Joya. Yeah, 574 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: I will, I will, I'll go. I'll keep working on 575 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: my NCA Brackett no problem. Yeah, all right. That's Chris Sims, 576 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Pro football Talk live co host with Mike Florio. Fox 577 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 578 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio dot com 579 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f SR to listen live. Hey, 580 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm John Middlecoff and I host the Three and Out podcast. 581 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: Do you like football? Do you like the NFL? Do 582 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: you like the NFL draft? Quarterbacks? Coaches? Well, I talk 583 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: about it all on the show. I used to work 584 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I give you 585 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that goes on 586 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: the NFL. And you know we're talking football because of 587 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: how important the draft is year round. Listen to the 588 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: three and Our podcast with me John Middlecop on the 589 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 590 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: Nick Saban, the Alabama head coach, joining us on the program. Uh, coach, 591 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: did you have your little Debbie's cakes today? Oh? Yeah? 592 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: Is that is that? Some things never changed. What if 593 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: they're not there, how's your day go after that? Well, 594 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: I gotta probably the two of the largest cookie jars 595 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: you've ever seen in your life. I love them. And 596 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: when they get hassle, I sort of go into panic 597 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: mode and some kind of way they get filled back up. 598 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Is it somebody's job to fill up your cookie jar? 599 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: That's the that's their main job. Said, Yeah, one of 600 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: the reasons I'm afraid to retire. You know, I could 601 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: be anybody there to about my cookie jar. I'm sure 602 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: that there's some coaches around the SEC that would gladly, uh, 603 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, fill up your cookie jar if you decided 604 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: to leave. Yeah. Maybe do you about that part? Do 605 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: you feel out of a bracket from March madness? You 606 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: ever done that before? Yeah? Really, I do it every year. 607 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: We we do. We do a family um like everybody 608 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: in the family, both sides of the family. You know, 609 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: my daughter or her husband and his family, you know everybody. 610 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I really don't want to sound you know, 611 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: facetious or anything, but I had Baylor winner at all, 612 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: which kind of made me the winner. I didn't know 613 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: you followed college basketball. Well I don't. That's what the 614 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: hard thing about picking the Markts is because I picked 615 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: Baylor and I hadn't seen them with guns AGAs either 616 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: one play all year. You know, I kind of just 617 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: rely on you know, every now and I see some 618 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: replays on you know he has PN or something, or 619 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: hear people talk about him, so it's, uh, yeah, I 620 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: really don't have much time to watch it. So it's 621 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: kind of hit, hit or miss. You know. I didn't 622 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: start out very well the last four end, you know 623 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: those games that UCLA was in, I was, oh for four. 624 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: I pick one of them, right, that's all right, you 625 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: know the first four is pretty tough to pick. Yeh. 626 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: Did you play hoops growing up? Yeah? Absolutely? I played 627 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: in high school played, yeah, and I love it. I did. 628 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: I just I played until a year ago when I 629 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: got my hip replacement. We played noontime basketball here every day. Well, 630 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: what's the scouting report on you? Point guard? Commissioner of 631 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: the league. Took the best players to be on my team. 632 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: Call the fouls and we do pretty well. Are you 633 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: like the the Globe Trotters and the opponents the Washington Generals. 634 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: You guys never lose, that's kind of that way. So 635 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: when we appreciate the competition. Now whenever we get some 636 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: Have you been to the Masters? I have been one time, 637 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: and I'm actually going Saturday night to spend a little time. 638 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: They're on Sunday. Now you're gonna be the guest of 639 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: somebody who's playing, or just as a spectator. You know, 640 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing some function there for somebody on Saturday night, 641 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: So I'm just going to stay over. My daughter and 642 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: her husband want to go. They've never been to the Masters. 643 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: So typically when I do things like that, I go 644 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: and come back, but this time they wanted to go. 645 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: So who are going to stay? And they're going to 646 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to watch on Sunday. I took my 647 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: son when I was a coach at I was and 648 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: he was probably maybe fourteen years old or something. But 649 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: that's the only time I've actually gone to watch it. 650 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: Have you played it? Oh? Yeah? I play every year. 651 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: Every year I go. There are several, you know, supporters 652 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: of the program here that our members there, and they 653 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: are you know, one of the three or four of 654 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: them invite me every year, and you know, we u 655 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: we you know, I enjoy it. I enjoy it. That's 656 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: probably one of my favorite things to do. Do you 657 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: listen to your caddy? Yeah? Absolutely. I don't think you 658 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: can play there if you don't, I know, not on 659 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: the greens at least. I mean, it's ridiculous. I try 660 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: to tell people that whatever you see on TV, it 661 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: is nothing like that in person, because there's so many 662 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: mounds in the undulated undulation of the green, like it's crazy. 663 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: And I had a county tell me, hey, don't ask 664 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: any questions. I'm gonna tell you where to put it, 665 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: and you put it right there. And I listened to 666 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: him and probably saved ten shots, no question, if you 667 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: didn't have somebody telling you. I mean, I can't figure 668 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: it out. I mean maybe other people can figure it out. 669 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: And I'm so pro guys can figure it out. But man, 670 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, there's elephants buried in some of 671 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: them greens. It's ridiculous. He's Nick Saban. Of all the 672 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: places that you know you play golf, I mean to me, 673 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: that's the one place you know. I'm the kind of 674 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: golfer that just I'm happy to hit it on the green. 675 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: But hitting on the green there in the wrong place 676 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: is you might be better off hitting the sad travel 677 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: he's Nick Sabing, the Alabama head coach. What is your 678 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: role or was your role at a pro day? Really 679 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: not much of anything. Um, you know, I get asked 680 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: questions by a few guys mostly that I know, which 681 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: is quite a few guys in the NFL. I know 682 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: that I worked with when I was in the HL, 683 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: and I know watch the players, encourage them, usually do 684 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: a little something for the media, but it's very minimal 685 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: route for the players. Hope they do well. Try to 686 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: encourage them to do the right things relative to now. 687 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: I was on the other side being a pro coach 688 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: for eight years, so I really try to encourage our 689 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: guys to know that, you know, working for him, cooperating 690 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: with these are things that create value for you. You know, 691 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: refusing to do anything doesn't create value for you. So 692 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, I just was, hell, guys, you don't want 693 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: to give anybody the reason to say. But you know, 694 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: I used to listen for that word all the time 695 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: in the draft report, and as soon as it came up, 696 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: nothing good ever came after it. And I said, so, 697 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: the choices and decisions you make don't don't give anybody 698 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: a reason to say. But they're looking for reasons not 699 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: to pick you. Right, they're trying to find is there 700 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: any flaws, Is there's something wrong with you? Don't don't 701 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: give them any reasons for that, and you got to 702 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: cooperate to be able to do that. What did you 703 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: tell Kyle Shanahan about Matt Jones. He didn't ask me 704 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: a thing, didn't ask me a thing. I said Hi 705 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: to him. John Lynch too, They did not ask me 706 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: a thing about them. They didn't ask me a thing. 707 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: Maybe they thought they weren't allowed to because you know, 708 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: out there on the pro day floor, which is where 709 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: I saw them. You know, I think that they I 710 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: don't know all their rules, but I think their rules 711 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: they're not really allowed to talk to me. So you know, 712 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: I stood by Belichick. We didn't talk, but um, so 713 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what their rules are, and 714 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what the reason for some of their 715 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: rules are. But there's where it is. Wait, so you 716 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: stand next to Belichick, but you guys don't talk and 717 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: you guys are great friends. Yeah. Well we talked a 718 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: little bit before, you know, I mean, whether by phone 719 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: or whatever. We always talk about whatever we need to 720 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: talk about. What was you know, Whenda was his secretary 721 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, my secretary now or my assistant, and so 722 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: he always comes up and says a lot to her, 723 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: and you know it's he that's that's kind of life long. 724 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: When did you know mac Jones was something different? Considering 725 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: we thought he was going to Kentucky. He was a 726 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: three star recruit. You had two of there. But was 727 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: there a moment where you go, there's something different here, 728 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: because it feels like the NFL on these scouts kind 729 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: of stumbled upon him the last couple of weeks here. Well, 730 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people got interstood by 731 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: the way he played last year. I mean, he did 732 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job. I mean we had really good players 733 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: around them, no doubt, a couple of really good receivers, 734 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: you know, good, a couple of good running backs, really 735 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: good offensive line. But Max released intelligent, very smart, very 736 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: accurate with the ball and makes good decisions about where 737 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: he goes the ball. So that's a really good, smarted 738 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: starting point for a guy being a good quarterback. You know, 739 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: you can go on all these measurables and arm strength 740 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: and all that, but that really doesn't make you a 741 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: good quarterback. And you know, guys like Aaron Rodgers, who 742 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: I was at Miami when Aaron Rodgers came out, and 743 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: you know, his coach told me that's how he was. 744 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: And in a workout he was probably not that much 745 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: more impressive than you know, somebody else. But those instinctive 746 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: and tangibles that a quarterback has or you know, invaluable 747 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: to being successful at the position. And I think that's 748 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: why that's so hard to evaluate. And um, and I 749 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: think that's why that's the number one failure position in 750 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: the draft is because of that being such a hard 751 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: thing to evaluate. So, but you asked me a question 752 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: about one that I met in comeback Jones. It was 753 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: going to be a good player. Um. I was impressed 754 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: with the way Mac played in fall camp, and I 755 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: was hopeful that he would be able to continue to 756 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: be able to play that way. You know when the 757 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: games came, and you know, he didn't disappoint you know 758 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: at all. He really prepared for the games. Well, he 759 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: sort of changed his mindset. You know, early in his career, 760 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: he was an anxious guy that you know, really had 761 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: a tough time overcoming you know, mistakes in his own 762 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: mind that playing the next play, and you know, he 763 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of you know, got over that mature through that, 764 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: and um, you know, he really prepared well for games 765 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: and he was always able to execute exactly what we 766 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: wanted to do. So I think the world of them. 767 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: And you know, we had a lot of three star players. 768 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: You know, everybody goes on these stars, but um, you know, 769 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: Clinton Williams didn't have a lot of stars and he 770 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: was the third guy picked in the draft. And Josh 771 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: Jacas didn't have a lot of stars and he was 772 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: you know, a first round draft pick. So but we 773 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: don't go on the stars. I never know how many 774 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: stars a guy has until like after recruiting, you know, 775 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: somebody says, hey, you had this many nine star guys 776 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: or five star guys or whatever they are, you know, 777 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: and I just we evaluate kind of like you do 778 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: for the draft, and we have criteria for what we're 779 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: looking for in every position, and it's very similar to 780 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: what a lot of pro teams would look for at 781 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: those positions. And at that time, we're trying to develop 782 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,479 Speaker 1: our team and develop our players. And when we find guys, 783 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: we don't care how many stars they have, and just 784 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, kind of trying to develop those guys. And 785 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: some of them had turned out to be pretty good, 786 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: and some of the guys that had a lot of stars, 787 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: you know, it turned out to not be so good 788 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: before I let you go. Was it true that Mac 789 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: was carving up the defense in practice and you told 790 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: him to kind of settle down and stop carving up 791 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 1: the defense. Did that actually happen? I remember the carving 792 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: up the defense part that happened quite often. I don't 793 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: ever remember asking him to quit doing that. He might 794 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: have felt that because it was a little frustrating at 795 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: times trying to develop. You know, they had like eight 796 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: new starters on defense, and they didn't have a lot 797 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: of confidence. So you know, when you go out there 798 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: every day and get sort of, you know, shredded, it's 799 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: kind of hard to develop confidence. But in that group, 800 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: but I knew we were going to have the kind 801 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: of team that was going to have to outscore people, 802 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: especially early on, until we got the defense a little 803 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: better and they got a little better the you know, 804 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: second half of the year, and you know, the offense 805 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: was very productive and that's how we won. Recapping one 806 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: of the greatest wins of your career, Baylor wins the 807 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: National Championship. You win your brackets. So pretty pretty good 808 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: year for you, coach, and always great to catch up 809 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, but I didn't win anything except bragging rights. 810 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: And I don't want anybody to pinch out there. I'm 811 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: a gambler because I'm not. But that's that's when it 812 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: comes to your family, to be able to have bragging rights, 813 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: it's it's worth a lot more than the money. Oh 814 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: you got bragging rights, coach, I would have everybody in 815 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: your family running lap. Yeah. Well, I just like to 816 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: talk and I told everybody last night. I said, look, 817 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to show the class. And I called my 818 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: daughter with like four minutes ago in the game and 819 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: I said, I'm not ready to claim victory. I just 820 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: want to know if you're ready to conceive. She got good. 821 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: You're happy about that. It's good, great, Great to catch 822 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: up with you. Safe travels to Augusta their coach, and uh, 823 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: we'll connect with you some sometime down the road. All right, buddy, 824 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, appreciate you have a good day. It's a 825 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: coach saban. 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