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Speaker 3: What I think they try to embarrass that nigga to

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Speaker 1: I don't think freaking is illegal. That's not illegal.

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Speaker 3: It's statute of limitations on being a black man in America.

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Speaker 3: As never you look at r Kelly Elvis got married

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever brings that up.

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Speaker 3: It's some women out here that you know, you got

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Speaker 3: to respect because it's some shit that's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Come behind it. That's a whole fact.

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Speaker 3: Because as a man, as a father, it's my job

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Speaker 3: to teach my daughter what manipulation is, right. I just

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Speaker 3: want to be the person that she comes to to say, man,

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Speaker 3: what you thinking?

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Speaker 1: But this man told me this.

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Speaker 4: Even with Cassie, I just I couldn't imagine being her father.

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Speaker 4: How does she come to her father with, Hey, look

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Speaker 4: I date Diddy. He won't marry me, but we freak off.

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Speaker 4: I mean, these are things you die with. But I'm

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Speaker 4: still focused on Cassie knowing what she doesn't want, which

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Speaker 4: is I want a rich man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they ain't. But for these can.

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Speaker 4: Doctor dre jay Z did it and I think she

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Speaker 1: Where do I go from this?

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Speaker 3: Being an eighties baby that grew up in the nineties,

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Speaker 3: it's just crazy to see how the people that we

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Speaker 1: In the nineties. This was cool and super coolty years later.

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Speaker 3: I'm not forcing anybody to do anything, but then you

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Speaker 3: start to incorporate those extracurricular activities and now you not

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Speaker 1: You out your body.

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Speaker 2: She if you ain't talking, no door to name interested. Look,

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Speaker 2: they say, this guy's the limit. I'm going farther than that.

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Speaker 2: She get bling on my phone, so I called her mama,

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Speaker 1: Your daughter back. They want a little better thing.

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Speaker 2: Get them boys wagon what lew and I boysh of brain?

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Speaker 1: But all that they said, this guy's limb.

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Speaker 2: I'm going fall though you can try Tuba King, Kimmy Falter.

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Speaker 1: I just bought it in life as in did it side?

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Speaker 1: Come with that all you leave the reason you broke.

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Speaker 2: You don't know how ass Red rough Red? Do you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm thinking to the pullets as for a

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Speaker 3: And very few people that I you know, give what

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Speaker 1: But what's your perspective on it?

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Speaker 4: I'm watching it, bro, it's so it's it's it's layered,

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Speaker 4: it's not. You know, I don't have just one because

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Speaker 4: it depends on what facet of it we're talking to.

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Speaker 3: Mean that Okay, I'll ask you this fascet, what do

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Speaker 3: They try to embarrass that yeah, to where even if

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Speaker 4: And also I'm thinking I think they won't. They want

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Speaker 3: But see that's the thing with the embarrassment part of it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you take them and then you leave them

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Speaker 3: And it's crazy when you look at it, because as

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Speaker 3: So what is it about us that makes the necessity

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Speaker 4: And it's almost like it's still the slave master mentality.

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Speaker 4: You don't you can't do that, like you can't do

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Speaker 4: if we're doing it. We're partying on this island over

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Speaker 4: But did he like he you know, we're gonna put

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Speaker 4: hear about Wainstein.

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Speaker 1: Shit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody in for bro his shit. People are still

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Speaker 3: Like that was not like that. Come on, I know

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Speaker 3: them in jail like sitting that. Yeah, that's system. This

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Speaker 1: Court exactly.

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Speaker 3: Words and the cumbassing on you that you know what

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Speaker 4: One of the questions I had, especially when Cassie was testifying.

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Speaker 4: And of course we don't write, we don't shame victims,

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Speaker 4: but I think there's a conversation to be had about

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Speaker 4: when am I manipulating a woman or she's lying about

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Speaker 4: I like threesomes. I'm just a threesome kind of and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then at any point you can turn it

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Speaker 3: how the rules are set up because you think about

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: It's it's crazy how the rules work because if you

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Speaker 3: to exactly and you technically it's to say, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 4: That's a very interesting point because that's a very interesting

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Speaker 1: I don't even play those games.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why, dudes, especially in this climbing with

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Speaker 4: I don't play this freak azoid game that is playing.

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Speaker 3: It's like, ain't no law against being a freaking ass,

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Speaker 3: but it is laws against being able to you know,

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Speaker 1: This is what it is.

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Speaker 3: There are no parameters that I'm not willing to express

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Speaker 3: it is now. Mind you, you can be tricked in

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Speaker 3: the mother, but I'm with all that exact and then

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Speaker 3: was gonna be now is well, I didn't say I.

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Speaker 1: Was in the awe, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So that's a risk that you take, but you limit

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Speaker 3: has an alterior motive, in my opinion at least that

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Speaker 1: You every chance. I even think you don't remember that.

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Speaker 3: So you need to be able to navigate up until

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Speaker 4: I think so it's like I couldn't imagine being her father.

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Speaker 4: It's like, how does she come to her father with Hey,

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Speaker 4: look they diddy, but this is what's going on, Like

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Speaker 3: That's what you into, deep, if that's what you're into,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be doing more. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: I can't allow myself to be you did what?

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Speaker 1: Get the out of here? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Because I have to let you know that no matter what,

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Speaker 4: And that's strong. That's a strong message. Brou And I

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Speaker 3: Never blame myself in that regard because you've grown and

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Speaker 4: But do you feel as though do you feel as

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Speaker 3: You don't have to know what you want. In my opinion,

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Speaker 3: But as long as you establishing what you don't want

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Speaker 3: Because you obviously have dealt with it before to know

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Speaker 1: And her response to that was jay Z is tooking

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Speaker 4: So I say that to say and repping what you're

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Speaker 4: what she didn't want, what she didn't which was I

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Speaker 4: don't want a broken Yeah, wicked, And that can lead

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Speaker 3: And you talking about a billionaire. That what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: So how do you even leave? So that's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: If this is your daughter, someone you care about, who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what you're gonna deal with.

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Speaker 3: You're just gonna have to watch this ultimate powerful, these

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Speaker 3: So you can say I'm coming, but you ain't never.

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Speaker 3: But see, I think about this. Diddy was so gone

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Speaker 4: He was for being now to reach out to that

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. How much of this shit do

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Speaker 1: That's well, I don't know, dag.

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Speaker 4: She got up there and she showed that I took

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, So you think about a relationship, being

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Speaker 3: That's going to corrupt anyone five years.

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Speaker 3: And so when you think about that ultimate level of corruption,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I value people.

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Speaker 3: I don't want you to I don't want nobody around me.

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Speaker 4: knowing what she doesn't want, which is I want a

438
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: rich man.

439
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they ain't. But for these can like the

440
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: Diddy can ain't. But yeah it's.

441
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: Three three Yeah doctor dre jay Z did it. And

442
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 3: now you know what I mean, Kyler.

443
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: Perrys, you know what I'm saying.

444
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 4: But it's like, but it's like it ain't. It ain't

445
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 4: no lot of and I think she had got so

446
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 4: gun hole on.

447
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: Where do I go from this? Yeah?

448
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, you know, getting thirty million goodness,

449
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: good what I'm saying goodness.

450
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: It's like, what's you know I asked running off with

451
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: my crane men? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean that not

452
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: even that that's I don't even get.

453
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 4: That'll make but that'll make a man who thinks he

454
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: has that level of power and control all of this,

455
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 4: that'll make.

456
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: That bill came.

457
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: But I just look at it, like you know what

458
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying. You think about physical abuty like men that

459
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 3: are physically abusive the woman or what we saw on

460
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 3: that tape run that hallway and ship and like I said,

461
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: for me as a father, like I don't give who

462
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 3: you is you want to do it? To me exactly

463
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 3: how much is that ass whooping work?

464
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: Right?

465
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: Not that you know what I'm saying to me. I mean,

466
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing. You don't get to establish that.

467
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: You don't get to establish that. We don't get to

468
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: establish that. Once it's done, then in the ecosystem, you don't.

469
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: You don't get to establish that. Like so when you

470
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: playing them type of games and that type of power

471
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 3: to where now you get twenty from him and ten

472
00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: from the hotel.

473
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: It's like.

474
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: The women who are suffering from domestic violence on a

475
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 3: day to day basis from an who don't even love itself,

476
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: let alone love you, It's like I can understand why

477
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: they can feel like, man, this is unfair to us

478
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: because it looks like there's a price that can be

479
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 3: put on my debtri Yes, you know what I'm saying.

480
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: It looks like there's something that somebody can pay in

481
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 3: exchange for getting knocked upside the head every day.

482
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: And that's bullshit. You ask me something that you know

483
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 1: what I mean?

484
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: I look at it's like they that's the aspect that

485
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: most people aren't looking at. The man, these women are

486
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: going through this shit every day and they ain't got

487
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: no way, ain't getting nothing but another lump upside to

488
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: heat and trauma and dealing with it. And it's like

489
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: to put a price on it. Is the part that

490
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 3: bothers me when're suing civilly instead of criminally, Like if

491
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: somebody is criminally doing something to you or harming you

492
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: in some type of way, what how much that costs?

493
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: If that's the situation.

494
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 4: And I think it's like, yeah, yeah, that is an

495
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 4: unfair advantage that you have when you deal with some

496
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: of these rich men. Is that yo you can get

497
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 4: You could put a price tag on your pain or

498
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: your disappointment and then turn your relationship into pain, say

499
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 4: that it was more painful, or say that the experience

500
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: was more detrimental than it truly was.

501
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: Because she played a role in it.

502
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 4: If you asked me, Cassie was supposed to be a

503
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: co conspirator because when we talk about who paid the prostitutes,

504
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 4: it was always Cassie who booked the prostitutes.

505
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: It was always Cassie, right it did.

506
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 4: He knew better than to put hisself on that side

507
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 4: of the business, so he never really exchanged money or

508
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 4: was involved in the booking process, but he always made orders.

509
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 4: They said that he was in a situation of where

510
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: he wouldn't even give her orders in front of people

511
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 4: unless they got extremely comfortable. That was understanding that if

512
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 4: we're here freaking and I get up and just walk out,

513
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 4: it's over with. Your job is to get up and

514
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 4: come hoghing. I got to holler at you about something.

515
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so.

516
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 4: But he would always remove hisself from anyone that can say, yeah,

517
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: did he pay me, you know?

518
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: Or did he did this and that and so? Is

519
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: that illegal?

520
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 4: Though, that's what I'm saying. I don't think freaking is illegal.

521
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 4: That's not illegal, Like you know what I'm saying. Sex

522
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: trafficking is illegal, you know what I'm saying.

523
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: And then that's a broad broady Domestic violence is illegal,

524
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: But that's not what he getting chopped with, you know

525
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

526
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: So it's like it's a slippery slope.

527
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: But watching it for me, you know, being an eighties

528
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: baby that grew up in the nineties, it's just crazy

529
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: to see how the people that we looked at as

530
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 3: heroes are being exposed in a way that we couldn't

531
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: have imagined when we was.

532
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: Diddy like, calm on this nipple like that. It is unreal.

533
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking, idn't even never ever in mind.

534
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm not rubbing my come on my neverod like

535
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: we got to be like you, I'm you got to

536
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: get the out like, don't you ever what you're doing?

537
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like that, that's that's he.

538
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 3: Was going to be too far, yeah to be, but

539
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: to be exposed in that way it makes it to

540
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: where everything that you've ever done has been I'm talking about.

541
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: This was a giant, the one of the biggest in.

542
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: The world, not just in our culture, in culture periods,

543
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: because that's our greatest export is Black Americans.

544
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: It is our culture, you know what I'm saying. So

545
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: this is the giant.

546
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: This is one of the ones that has helped establish

547
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: the culture, conquered three or four industries decade and in

548
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 3: six months of a trial because ain't gonna remember none

549
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: of that.

550
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: You can't now, I don't give out much.

551
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: You like all about the Benjamin You're not gonna be

552
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: able to listen to it without thinking, man that I.

553
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: Can't believe this shit.

554
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 4: But my question is why is that coming out in court?

555
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: Like what does that have to do with the case

556
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: or with the like. That's why I think the embarrassment

557
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: thing is at play, because what does that particular move

558
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: have to do with sex trafficking or rico?

559
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a conspiracy theorist question, right, because

560
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm a big conspiracy theorist. Is always interesting

561
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: to me, Like if they presented you, if the they

562
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 3: that they talk about presented you a deal, right, you

563
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: get to have a diddy run.

564
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: But this is the this is the bill. One day

565
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna expose.

566
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: All of the freaky shit you ever did, and it's

567
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: gonna be in front of the world.

568
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: You're taking that deal. I might take the deal.

569
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: That little ball, you know, might take Billy Bill Cosby

570
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: had to his ship, but they they locked him up

571
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: as some ship he did in the sixth Yeah, yeah, yeah,

572
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 3: I think he had a fifty sixty almost a sixty

573
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: year one and then it just you go to g like, Okay,

574
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 3: you get the ball for and the money and has

575
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: come all that goes five years, but you give you

576
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: you go to jail for for for the last three Yeah.

577
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: Like, I might take that deal, man, I might.

578
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: Take I respect you for being really that I said,

579
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: because that's one of my problems that I got with

580
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: now is now everybody acting like they would went to

581
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: the party.

582
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: In twenty stop bullshit.

583
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, come on, all of a sudden, man, I

584
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: went to the party, but I didn't go to the party.

585
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Which one was that? Right? Yeah?

586
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 4: And so for me, you know me, I'm always keep

587
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: it a hundred. I don't care nothing bout and so

588
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: of course I don't condone what happened.

589
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: But if you're telling.

590
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: Me that I get a thirty year run private jit

591
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: like Rick Flayer, Privy shit, flying Bro's wearing I'm talking

592
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: about all of them, come on, man, Like you know,

593
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: at the end, they just tell you. Everything you do

594
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: in that time time, it's gonna come on out. So

595
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: just be careful what you do now. It's on you

596
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: if you start taking drugs and freaking off and all

597
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: of that. But like the thing is, man, like you know,

598
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: like I said, that's just the conspiracy theorist.

599
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: But would you take it though? What would you do?

600
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I need I need to build cobbon. You need sixty.

601
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: I need sixty, Yeah, I need sixty.

602
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't take the the thirty ain't enough thirty ain't enough. Nah,

603
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: not not for what, not for what you what's gonna

604
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: happen in the end, because you think about everything that

605
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: you built and it crumbling before your eyes, and you know,

606
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: in my mind that has to count for something as

607
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: a man.

608
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: Now you have to see that. I think to see that.

609
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: Crumble will probably do me more of a disservice than

610
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 3: the process of building it.

611
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: But see, I think the bigger thing is those those

612
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 4: are silent deals anyway with the universe. So this isn't

613
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 4: something that someone has to tell you. You have to know

614
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 4: that that you know, if you're gonna be doing in

615
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: these kind of things at some point and receipt is coming, yeah,

616
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: you know, the universe don't come. Yeah, Universe don't miss nothing.

617
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: So I think, uh, yeah, it's the way.

618
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: That's that's why I say, Man, if if you got

619
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: thirty years before that bill come, you're taking it sixty

620
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: for me, I take it.

621
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

622
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 4: The thirty for me, I think it'll But but I

623
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 4: would know that the universe is always watching, so I

624
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: don't think I would go that.

625
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: See that's the thing that's the scary part. You don't

627
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: get to established with how far is, And that's the plat.

628
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: You don't get this because in ritro in retrospect, how

629
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: far is in the nineties this was cool, super cool?

630
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: Tirty years later is you're a monster, you know what

631
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So you don't get to establish what the

632
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: how far is. So you might think you're doing right,

633
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: or you might think you're doing what is in the

634
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: parameters of keeping it called you I'm not forcing anybody

635
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: to do anything, or I'm not. But then you start

636
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: to incorporate those, you know, extra curricular activities. Those mind

637
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: aretering mitigating factors that you don't that you don't count.

638
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Your mind now you not even yourself, you out your body.

639
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: And that's why I think he was so angry.

640
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: Bro, Like Dudel was if I'm believing the testimonies right,

641
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: that he had flashes of and I know because I

642
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: saw I was outside a long time, so I know

643
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: how those are fixed of some of those drugs will

644
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: do you there.

645
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Moved swings and all of that.

646
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: So he would have certain moments w Bro, he just

647
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: kind of like snapped out, and then he'll call and

648
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: apologize or he'll call and be like, I'm like with

649
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: the mother thing that they were saying, right, he calls

650
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: her because she's dealing with kid cutting, according to the testimony,

651
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: and Yo, I'm gonna put these tapes out now. Think

652
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: about that. Logically he's the more famous person. You actually

653
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: think he gonna drop the tapes. No, but according to them,

654
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: he's doing that to not only scare Cassie, but to

655
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: kind of try to reel her back in.

656
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: And I ain't gonna lie.

657
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: As a man, I know what it's like to have

658
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: a freak that you really really enjoy and you don't

659
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: want to lose her to someone else. But he went

660
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: to some extreme circumstances to try to real her back

661
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: in at certain times, you know what I'm saying.

662
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: But you know, but you know, I.

663
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: Don't think you want to lose. You don't want to lose.

664
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: And also it was like.

665
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: She did things for him that I don't think he

666
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 4: was comfortable with other people knowing about.

667
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: And another reason why you don't want.

668
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: To I mean, that's why I say, who nasty of

669
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: getting a nut rubbed on their nibbles or walking across

670
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: the room with it on the thing? Who freaking You

671
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? How do you establish that. So

672
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: it's like, man, I can understand, you know, wigging out

673
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: and and doing all of these different things to try

674
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: to hold on to somebody who you know, apparently you

675
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: got from another man.

676
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: They said she was with us.

677
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: Yes, right, you know what I'm saying. So you know,

678
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: if you you lose him, how you got him. So

679
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: you're thinking that doing you on you? So that makes

680
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: you even more.

681
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: For Sharonoyd and frustrating.

682
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: And then also it's like it's also a scenario why

683
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: I'm saying to myself, certain.

684
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Sex lends itself to power.

685
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: Right.

686
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: Regular sex is one thing, right, but when you start.

687
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: To smacking and choking out and this shit could confuse

688
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: your brain, you start to think, this is my ship.

689
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and he was playing a dangerous game.

690
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: Think about that, bro.

691
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: He would have other dudes, according to the testimony, having

692
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: sex with this young lady to the tune of stop

693
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: right now more ore like he he he directly. Yeah,

694
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: It's like he was producing his entire life. He took

695
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 4: what he's done his whole life and took it to

696
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 4: the bedroom. He was still Yeah, he was still producing

697
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: the ship. And it was like, man, I think especially

698
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: even with Ston some of that BDSM. Sex is a

699
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 4: very slippery slope, man, because you can start to feel

700
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 4: like that there's a level of ownership because they'll tell

701
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: you certain ship and do certain ship that make you

702
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: think that they're submissive, and that can confuse you and thinking,

703
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: no way you with.

704
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: That over there? You man, you remember what I And

705
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: it's like, no, brother, this was just a moment.

706
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: Said right, And you can't think about it from a

707
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: perspective of ownership because I say, man, if you don't

708
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: wake up in the morning to wash it pusson.

709
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: You always say to you man, I always say that

710
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's not yours.

711
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: You can't impose your will in that regard because it's

712
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: always gonna end when that bill comes. It's going to

713
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: be ugly. It's always going to be ugly. It's not

714
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: your job to be able to dictate what a woman

715
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: does with her body in any capacity. And I believe

716
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: that Holly is a man. No man should be able

717
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: to tell a woman what she could do with her body,

718
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, at the same time, you gotta

719
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: understand the value and what you have and not allowing

720
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: that to determine what you do with your as well,

721
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: or like you say too, a lot of men are

722
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: making deal behind closed doors, right, so they're not looking

723
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: these women in the face and being honest web been

724
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 3: in front of the mon You're supposed to be real

725
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: in front of immediately, right, And so for for you know,

726
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: when you look at something like this and you look

727
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: at somebody who you've been watching your you know, and

728
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: it's been rumors, you know, all types of rumors throughout

729
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: the years.

730
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Speaker 4: But I was still I was still waving them off

731
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Speaker 4: though I'm thinking not all of them, but some of

732
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: that shit like the baby or like they damnar had

733
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734
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735
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736
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,600
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737
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,799
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738
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,080
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739
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740
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Speaker 3: I think the game work a little differently than that,

741
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,160
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742
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,560
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743
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,520
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744
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,279
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745
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,160
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Speaker 3: Saying for when he hits the ring in a sense, yeah,

785
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So you know where to go, like,

786
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: you know who to tried, like and it's unfortunate that

787
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: that works that way, but I truly believe that.

788
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: Like no, but I'm saying.

789
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: The black media had these rumblings and they kind of,

790
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 4: if you asked me, they assisted the case in validating

791
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,440
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792
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,400
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793
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794
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 4: people who used to work. I'm saying that shit right when.

795
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: And I do believe there's a route to get that

796
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: shit shut down because we saw Jay do it. Jag

797
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: war Wright tried to do the same thing to Jay.

798
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 4: He stepped right in, starts smushing some of that shit. Yeah,

799
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 4: did it kind of was waving it off like.

800
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, But once it's in the atmosphere, you can't. The

801
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: consumer has already consumed it, you know what I'm saying.

802
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: So you can say, what when you got that many

803
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: people that you have been employed, that you have employed

804
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: or have that have worked for you, or that have

805
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: worked for somebody who has worked for you, who is

806
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: working for somebody else working for you, and all of

807
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: these different things, and you know, sometimes you just walk

808
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: into a room, take a paper in your face, you

809
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: just sign it and walk off. You know, all of

810
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: those different type of things for that long of a

811
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: period of time. You probably didn't got tired of stepping

812
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: on shit, right, you know what I'm saying.

813
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Ain't you think you above it? Yeah? You know what

814
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean, You thinking that shit.

815
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: Ain't gonna say you didn't been no, you know what

816
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 3: not to say, so you you know, it's just, it's

817
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: just And that's just coming from a level of understanding

818
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: from what I've seen being on this side of the

819
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: curtain and being in the industry and being around certain

820
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: different types of environments and being able to have a

821
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: level of self control that I have to know that

822
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: if that's what it takes to get that, that ain't

823
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: for me, but you to be okay with that, because

824
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 3: once you get to see a certain level of power

825
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: and what it does, if you ain't never been nobody

826
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: outside of your environment, that's what you striving. You trying

827
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: to get to that. You know what I'm saying, You

828
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 3: don't never get enough of it. For me, I'm blessed

829
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: because I hadn't always been somebody. I was somebody in

830
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: my environment. I was forced to be that. My mother

831
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: pressured me to go outside because I can't teach you

832
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: how to be no man, You know what I mean?

833
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you what to do. I'm gonna show

834
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 3: you how not to act like a female, because that's

835
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: what I'm your mama. I'm gonna show you what this is,

836
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: what responsibility looks like, you know what I mean. And

837
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: I thank her for that every day before she left,

838
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: and especially now that she's gone, that she forced me

839
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: to go out and make a name for myself in

840
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 3: my environment where I come from and always being somebody

841
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: because I'm not affected by what comes with this life.

842
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: It doesn't move me. I know that it doesn't come

843
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 3: with anything of real substance.

844
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: It's this is all bullshit. All what you think about me?

845
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: What do I think about me? Exactly? That's what counts.

846
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: So that helped me not be a fall victim to

847
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: some of the being able to utilize some of the

848
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: power that I could utilize and being able to do

849
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: some of the things that I've been able to been

850
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: in a position to do, just because I don't give

851
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 3: a y'all go ahead, I'm straight.

852
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all get this safe, y'all do y'all thing.

853
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't need to be a part of that.

854
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't need to show all this I don't need

855
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: to walk around and act like I don't need a

856
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: hunted nigga with me.

857
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

858
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: I've had a bunch of niggas with me before. It

859
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: ain't laid to nothing but bullshit. You know what I'm saying.

860
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: I didn't been through that. And at a certain point,

861
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: as a man, you have a responsibility. If the more

862
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 3: years that God grants you on this planet, you have

863
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 3: a responsibility to learn your ego and check your hot

864
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: headedness or your inability to control your impulse you have

865
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: and all of you, especially your emotions.

866
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: First.

867
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: That's what everything everything is based around you being able

868
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: to control these things as a man.

869
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: And once you.

870
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: Start to go through that process as a man, in

871
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: my opinion, you learn that man, can't nobody do this

872
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: ship but me. Ain't nobody gonna be able to fix

873
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: me with me. I got a responsibility to do that.

874
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: And that's why when people see me out and I'm

875
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: amongst the people and that man, you you ain't got no,

876
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: you ain't with a nah man.

877
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: I walk with.

878
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 4: God man, and I truly believe that whatever come my way,

879
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 4: I'm prepared.

880
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: And and that's that's what it is.

881
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: But I leave with love and respect at all times,

882
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: and the universe is in control, in control of that.

883
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: And I leave with love and respect, and God forbid

884
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 3: anything that comes in my stratos.

885
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: Fe that is not that I can act accordingly because I.

886
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: Know I didn't do anything exactly type of exactly and

887
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: with exactly, because I never with you know what I'm

888
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: saying you. So therefore I choose to operate and move

889
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: that way because I'm not affected by what people think

890
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: is supposed to come with success.

891
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Yes, success, and that there's a lot of pressure with this.

892
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: Like I tell people, people expect things from me that

893
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: come with success that I'm not sure they have a

894
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: proper understanding or they calibrated enough to even understand what

895
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: success is.

896
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

897
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: They expect you to pull up into big made backsit.

898
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: Man, listen here, man, I'm saving my family. Man. Man,

899
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: I'm the first one to do it. That's the thing.

900
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: Like when you the first one to do it, I

901
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: might not be the one to be able to get

902
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: the roles. And even though I can afford it exactly,

903
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: it ain't for me to have like you know what

904
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: I'm saying, But when you have got it, and I'm

905
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: glad that I have experienced what it was like to hustle,

906
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: because in my hustling phase, I was real good at hustling.

907
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: I started getting my own money when I was nine,

908
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 3: brushing people off at the barber shop. That's my start

909
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: with making my own dollars. Yes, so once I got

910
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: the understanding of what it what money did on each level,

911
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: I was able to do it at a high level.

912
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: At my level, now, you know what I'm saying.

913
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: So once I got to where I made real money

914
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: and got to a real level of Okay, this.

915
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: Is real money, those traits never left. I know what it.

916
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: I know what it feels like to go in and

917
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: blow whatever on whatever, and I know that I'm probably

918
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: gonna end up giving all this shit.

919
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: Away at the end. That's what I always have done.

920
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: So I know now that man, it don't matter what

921
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: you get, if I get the if you get the betteriness.

922
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: But every black man listening that's out here chasing it,

923
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: just know, once you get it, all you're gonna be

924
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: able to do is get some more of it.

925
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it.

926
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: And you know what I've also noticed is because the

927
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: crib I got now was a crib that I said, boy,

928
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 4: when I get that crib, and now that crib is just.

929
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: Like you see what I'm saying. It's just it's just

930
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: how it works. Now, it's your how you live there.

931
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: You know, you go to sleep there, and you probably

932
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: stay in one room.

933
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Brong in house. Don't get it. Don't even get used.

934
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: You ain't flesh the tallets in that month.

935
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: Like me and Lo's talk about that all the time,

936
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: Like when I go to his crib, we be in

937
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 3: one room. I'm like, man, we'd have worked our whole

938
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: lives and come in here and be in one room.

939
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: But it's just that's just the way it works. And

940
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: then once you get the understanding of that, you you

941
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: supposed to strive to have better and to do better,

942
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: and to improve your lifestyle and be able to have

943
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: the functionality to be able to wake up and do

944
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: what you want to do and know that you're leaving

945
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: a legacy. But just know that once you achieve those things,

946
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: that's when the work starts for real, because you'll find

947
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 3: yourself in a one bedroom apartment in a six bedroom.

948
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: House exactly for sure.

949
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 4: And that's me right now, Like my house is extremely

950
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 4: too big, I'm like yo, and I mean that by myself.

951
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yo, what what is this? But I've

952
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: already got it. And this was like it's like.

953
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: For my room, I may go to the editing room,

954
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: and those are the two spaces I work.

955
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: Bro.

956
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: It's just like the rest of the house.

957
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: Bro.

958
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: I went out the other day because I got the

959
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: outside kitchen and all of that shit.

960
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: I went out there the other day, cob Well, I

961
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: told you, man, that's everywhere, man, everywhere, and it's just

962
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: we strive to get.

963
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: To my cars cab wheres I ain't in the car.

964
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: This shit is stupid. It's just access.

965
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: And you don't really hear anybody talk about that side

966
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: of access. We only talk about the access. Yes, man,

967
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: I got man, I got man, and we balling. I

968
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: got money. I'm rolexes and divings and this and that

969
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: and all that. Man telling me that you got to

970
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: watch that you found that you ain't seen in six

971
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: months and forgot you had where they caught sixty six

972
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: seventy thousand dollars or some shit that you I went

973
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: through my closet the other day because you know me

974
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: b lousing the West man, I'm just like and I

975
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: and I always do that. I got a boys home

976
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: that I donate clothes too. That's just you be fly

977
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: to half the oh they love to see him come

978
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: through that. And you know, I've always been that way

979
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 3: because that's always been something that I've done, like getting flies.

980
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 3: It's em better than my DNA. Like I've been buying

981
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: my own clothes as I was thirteen. So it's just

982
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: been a process that I have grew with that just

983
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: is in me, not on me, you know what I'm saying.

984
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: But going through it and folding this stuff up, I

985
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: had to think about it. I'm like, man, I might

986
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 3: have to be a little bit more strategic with how

987
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 3: I get this stuff to these youngs because its dangerous

988
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: for some of these young to be walking around with

989
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: this shit like this.

990
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: I had to catch myself.

991
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: Like the wait, wait, yeah, yeah, I'm like wait a minute,

992
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: like hold up, I gotta be more strategic. Then I

993
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: got a foundation now to wander sun. So I'm gonna

994
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: be a little bit more strategic. But in my mind,

995
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm just giving it away here because that's the mentality

996
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: that you developed when you are able to do the

997
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: things for yourself that you and mind you. This is

998
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: this is something I've been doing since I was thirteen.

999
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: You can look at my Hospit year book. It's like, bro,

1000
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: when you're taking me shop and when we're going in.

1001
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: It's always been my thing. But in giving away stuff

1002
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: as much as I do, especially clothing and shoes and

1003
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: stuff like that, I had to remember that the danger

1004
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: that I had to endure and had to navigate when

1005
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: I was a young nigga walking around with this type

1006
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 3: of shit on in a junker, you know what I'm saying.

1007
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: So me just giving it to them. They don't They

1008
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: didn't even have the the you know, the ship that

1009
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 3: I had to go through to accumulate what it took

1010
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 3: to go by would make you a little bit more

1011
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: swift about it and pay attention more. They just just

1012
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: was given. So now you just freely not even knowing it.

1013
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: It's somebody watching you, likes so on walking around and like, man,

1014
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that. So just my mentality of having

1015
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: to navigate that when I was a young looking at

1016
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: me wanting to rob me all the goddamn time, I

1017
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: had to be cognitive of the fact that. Okay, but

1018
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: still for my vantage point, I'm giving all of ship

1019
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: away here.

1020
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't because it don't mean nothing.

1021
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: And it's like you said, walking outside in his cobwebs

1022
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: everywhere before you had that.

1023
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: I was dreaming about it, man, that.

1024
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: You're sitting out there watching it and you staring at

1025
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: it and all that, and you you, you man, when

1026
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: I get this, when I get that, and when you

1027
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: get it, you like I ain't even.

1028
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: Been out here. Yeah, that shit don't make it.

1029
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 4: And that's the part I remember to talk about. I

1030
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 4: remember riding with Brandon Marshall. H went down to his

1031
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: crib man. He drove me around and took me to

1032
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 4: his old house, the house he got when he was

1033
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: in the league. Because those guys, when you're in the NFL,

1034
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: you make so much money that it literally ups your

1035
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: lifestyle and the way that you make case sustain when

1036
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 4: you get out of the league. Right, So I think

1037
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 4: the house was about seven million or something like that.

1038
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 4: Someone else is living there now, but it was crazy

1039
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: because he could still pull over to the gated community.

1040
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: The security people.

1041
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: Knew who he was let us in and we went

1042
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: over to the house and kind of got in front

1043
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: of the house and he was like, yeah, bro, that's

1044
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 4: my that was my you know, I put the lights there.

1045
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: I did that.

1046
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: And although he had a mansion still, because he still

1047
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 4: has a mansion, maybe not a seven million dollar mansion,

1048
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 4: but but he's seen me, yeah, three million dollar.

1049
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Mansion or whatever in Miami.

1050
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: But I think I think it was extremely interesting to

1051
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 4: see him kind of reminisce on that, and it almost

1052
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: felt like he felt like he lost something, you know

1053
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But in my mind, you got the

1054
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: three million dollar joint. That's that's hard, right, I just

1055
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 4: don't know, I guess I guess. My question is I

1056
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: just wonder how that feels because I have never sold

1057
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 4: a home or have to, Like, you know, you got

1058
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 4: to get that high up to lose a seven million

1059
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 4: dollar home. Say what you want about something one who

1060
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 4: has to sell their ten million dollar home, but they

1061
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: had to obtain it.

1062
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: They had to get up there, get that right.

1063
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: I went to Steve Horvey house in LA he was

1064
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 3: about to get rid of it a couple of years back,

1065
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: and I mean you had to go through a gate,

1066
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: then you had to go down and go through another

1067
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 3: gate to get to the gate get into his house. Yes,

1068
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: it's one of them type of communities and I mean

1069
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: beautiful home man. And he was like, man, I'm great,

1070
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: you know this just just I just had this out here.

1071
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 3: I'm great, great, get rid of this and you know,

1072
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: go get mine, you know, just out here. And just

1073
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: to see the way he talked about it made me realize,

1074
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: no matter how much money you get, it's.

1075
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: Going to be the same. That's what I'm saying.

1076
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: Just just this is my career is I'm about to

1077
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 3: do that. I'm about to so you can you can

1078
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: strive to get to that point. It's nothing wrong with that,

1079
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 3: and we all should strive to get to that point.

1080
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: But just know you can't hang your hat on being

1081
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: happy with that yet with the proces getting there and

1082
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: what you go through to make it. Because once you

1083
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: get to that point, just know that it's not going

1084
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: to change ship about who you are in terms, is

1085
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: just gonna be something else.

1086
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: You gotta do it right.

1087
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 4: And you know what, I think that was part of

1088
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: my problem, or not problem. I think that's part of

1089
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 4: the obstacle I'm having. It's coming from the lifestyle I

1090
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: come from and getting into this industry and and you know,

1091
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 4: reaching some success, it's like it's almost like I'm waiting

1092
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 4: on the big bang or something, you know what I mean.

1093
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 4: It's like I'm I don't because Bro, I've done everything,

1094
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: I've lived and I made Like, Bro, I'm doing extremely well.

1095
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: But it's like I'm waiting on like a like a

1096
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: big bang.

1097
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't work that work that way. I

1098
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: think we all wait on that big check, that one

1099
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 3: that come, that one that you hit and I want

1100
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: it all and one.

1101
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 4: Sometimes that devalues what you've done and what you're obtained

1102
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: and what you're working and every day.

1103
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: Man, you gotta know that the process when when I

1104
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: think about my life and the reality of it. Man,

1105
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: I don't beat the game, yes hundred times. Yes, I

1106
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: didn't beat the game so many times. And you gotta

1107
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: understand that each time you beat the game, man, you know,

1108
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: and the credits roll, you got to sit through there

1109
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: and read them credits, because that's all your work each.

1110
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: Time you beat the game.

1111
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: If you just keep beating it and started over, you

1112
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: don't never get to read the credits. And when you

1113
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: read the credits, you see all of the work that

1114
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: got put in to beat this part of the game.

1115
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: And I'm eating the game, Bro, I done beat several games.

1116
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about that, Bro, Bro, I'm talking about

1117
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it in real life. Myne.

1118
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 4: I know I'm one of the coldest ever for in

1119
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 4: America from what I come from.

1120
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: Bro, Listen and I be by myself. You preach it

1121
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: to the choir.

1122
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: Man, Listen, man, this ship is the So it's like, Bro,

1123
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 4: like you said, we gotta read the credits.

1124
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: You gotta read the credits, and you gotta read the

1125
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: credits because like that's the thing that motivates me to

1126
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: not be caught up and with nobody else's perception or

1127
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: perspective of me is you know what I mean.

1128
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: Some people going to agree, so I'm not going to agree.

1129
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: But whatever, you know what I mean because I know

1130
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 3: I'm one of the greatest that ever leaves ever.

1131
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: Period.

1132
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: There's nothing you can tell me that I didn't done

1133
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: too much. I didn't been through too much. I didn't

1134
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: watched too I didn't watch I didn't walked through situations

1135
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 3: by myself with no help nobody to turn around to.

1136
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: Daddy was dead. I ain't even have that.

1137
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: So for me to get to all this shit that

1138
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: I didn't been able to accomplish, man ain't nothing you

1139
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 3: could tell me. But that's because I'm That's why I'm

1140
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 3: so externally humble, because internally I'm not. Every day I

1141
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 3: wake up And that's what I tell young boys all

1142
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: the time when I talk to groups of boys and

1143
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 3: I come in to Chico Bean and they go crazy,

1144
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Hey, that excitement you just had to

1145
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 3: see me?

1146
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: Had that to see yourself every day?

1147
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: Don't ever be more excited to see nobody more than

1148
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: you excited to see yourself every day in the mirror.

1149
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: Once you get to that point, oh man, you in there.

1150
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: The world is your oyster.

1151
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 4: At that point, King nobody affected because I know I'm

1152
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: dealing with results.

1153
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the the.

1154
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: Jury is in, Like what out undone and what you like? Bro,

1155
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: We've walked this ship down. I walked it down and

1156
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: still going. It's still and just feel like I'm just

1157
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: getting started. And that's the motivation of it, you know

1158
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, To be able to be to go

1159
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: through everything you going through and know that. Man, I

1160
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: ain't finished with the going through yet, but I'm prepared

1161
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: for whatever.

1162
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna deal with it, you know what I'm saying.

1163
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: Like I said, it don't hurt my feelings to say

1164
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 3: I went through about a depression about my mom. I

1165
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 3: go through about the depression with all types of shit,

1166
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: but I deal with it and I walk through it

1167
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: another one I did I and I deal with it

1168
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: like it's something that that that Scott Fay said that

1169
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: always resonates with me about being a black man in

1170
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: America and going through what we're going through. He said, Man,

1171
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 3: in this game, you either in a storm, on your

1172
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: way into a storm, or just coming out of a

1173
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: storm at all times. So no matter what you got

1174
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: going on, those are the three realities. So once you

1175
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 3: learn how to navigate that, and sometimes you got an umbrella,

1176
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 3: sometimes you walking in the rain and you ain't got nothing.

1177
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 3: Sometimes well, no matter what, as long as you learn

1178
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: how to navigate those terrains within your mind, you'll be

1179
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: all right no matter what come to you, because you

1180
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: never know what that is gonna be. But just the

1181
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 3: good is being able to wake up and look in

1182
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: the mirror every day and say, man, I love what

1183
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm looking at.

1184
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: And also whatever comes get it, let's go to let's

1185
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 4: get to it.

1186
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: And that spirit.

1187
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 4: People can feel that spirit right, people can actually feel,

1188
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 4: oh you dealing with He ain't gonna lay down. You're

1189
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: dealing with a moss. Yeah, yeah, dude, ain't laying.

1190
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: Down like I'm gonna go. I'm gonna face it. I

1191
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: ain't never had the luxury of running away from our problem.

1192
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 3: Wasn't no gray area with me growing up. Like I said,

1193
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 3: my mother was a Jedi. She did everything in reverse,

1194
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 3: Like that calling and protection that you give a little boy,

1195
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: especially a little boy whose father was murdered. You would

1196
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: think that she would want to protect me from all

1197
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 3: of the shit that outside had to offer.

1198
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: Not want the man.

1199
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: Get out of here, get out, get out there, get

1200
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: out there, and you got responsibility. So for me, looking back,

1201
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: like one of the things my therapist used to tell

1202
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: me is that you gotta you know, what did the

1203
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: little boy want to do that you didn't get to

1204
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: do as a little boy.

1205
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 1: You can do those things now.

1206
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: And for me, one of the things was, you know,

1207
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: I always used to have problems with when I was

1208
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: dealing with the responsibility that I had as a young

1209
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: anybody that know me or tell you being was always

1210
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: on a mission. I was always either going to the

1211
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 3: safe way to get the groceries or going to do

1212
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: something for my ball, taking care of my little brother,

1213
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 3: making sure he get up go to school every morning.

1214
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 3: All that shit was every day. My problem was, man,

1215
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: how they're gonna play the football game without me? How

1216
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: they gonna ride bikes without me? Man without me? And

1217
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: as a grown man, it made me realize that, man,

1218
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: I was really ahead of the game because that responsibility

1219
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: that I had to deal with. Then a lot of

1220
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: my peers didn't know that you or your way to

1221
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: having to deal with all this shit. I just I

1222
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: just was ait. I just got a head style on it.

1223
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: So now as a grown man, I'm not afraid of

1224
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: response with bringing on. I ain't no running Whatever we're

1225
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: gonna deal with, We're gonna deal with a head on.

1226
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and get it out the way, whatever

1227
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: it is, because I know that procrastination is something that's

1228
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: just gonna delay the inevitable. Whatever it is we ducking,

1229
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to deal with it at some point and

1230
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 3: a long time, and it's gonna come at the worst time.

1231
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: So let's just go ahead and get it on out

1232
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: the way. Now, Let's have the conversation, let's have the

1233
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: difficult talks, Let's do whatever it is we need to

1234
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: do and get it on out the way so now

1235
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 3: we can move forward, you know what I'm saying. And

1236
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: that makes it easier to be able to look at

1237
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: yourself in America, because it becomes more difficult when you

1238
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 3: know some ship that you want to say to somebody

1239
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: that you ain't saying.

1240
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: I preach that to people, Man, what is you scared of?

1241
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: You're scared of? What?

1242
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 3: What? What you're afraid of? You're afraid of what them?

1243
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: I gonna say in return to what you feel, don't

1244
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: be go for it? And you got to go for

1245
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: it because if you don't bother that ship up, don't

1246
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: do you no good.

1247
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: I tell you that out of time.

1248
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: Bro.

1249
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: Now there is a way to go about it.

1250
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 4: And I think that's what scares people more than anything,

1251
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 4: is that I want to say this, but.

1252
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: How do I say it or how do I get

1253
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: to it? But Yo, you gotta you gotta just go

1254
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: with it, bro.

1255
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 4: And I'm also working on Umar and Candice on She

1256
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 4: been ducking Umar and I don't know why.

1257
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: Probably just because of the you know, when you think

1258
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: about the type of environment that she comes from. She's

1259
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: used to have an aggressive conversation without it being aggressive,

1260
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like that's seeing then Fox News.

1261
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: I watched Fox.

1262
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 3: News just to see what the talking talking, you know what,

1263
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: I and watch them, you know, just dialogue without without

1264
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: being aggressive like we are. But that's just our nature,

1265
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,439
Speaker 3: you know, we get excited, you know what I mean.

1266
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: But I don't think that she's used to that. I

1267
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: think that she probably has a fear of it being

1268
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 3: a little bit overtly you know too.

1269
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: You know she can't whooping with that.

1270
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I be trying to tell her or I

1271
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: be putting out in the atmosphere.

1272
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Look, I'm gonna moderate this debate. I'm not gonna let

1273
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: him just get that out. Yeah.

1274
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: But Umar said in the last episode, He's like, yo, loan,

1275
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 4: she ducking me because she know I'm gonna get at

1276
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 4: the I'm gonna get at the white I'm gonna get

1277
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 4: at the white husband.

1278
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is which is probably he like, he.

1279
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 4: Like, she knows where I staying as far as that,

1280
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 4: and she know that I can't sit next to her

1281
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 4: or across from her without addressing that dressing, you know

1282
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But I'm like, yo, man, she asks

1283
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 4: like she invites the conversation. So I'm confused because I

1284
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 4: got access. I do my live shows literally with TSU.

1285
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 4: So we be at room, we be on a college

1286
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 4: campus with a full of college you know.

1287
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 3: I mean that's something that I'm doing and working on,

1288
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 3: as doing a symposium in front of HBCUs because I

1289
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 3: went to an HBCU and I identify with where y'all

1290
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 3: are in this process. And I want you to understand,

1291
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: like when I every time I go back to my

1292
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: school and talk to the communications department where I graduated

1293
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 3: from hearing them talk, it's always so profound to me

1294
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 3: because of the perspective that they have with the access

1295
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: that the world that they live in is. I'm like, man,

1296
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 3: they like, man, I feel like I ain't doing enough.

1297
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: I feel like I ain't moving fast enough. How old

1298
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: are you eighteen? But I understand why because again.

1299
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 4: It speaks to the highlight reel, Yeah, and it speaks

1300
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 4: to the deficity that we all recognize.

1301
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: Right, Like we said, we always start in the negative.

1302
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: So far you.

1303
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Speaker 3: Feel like it's a level of paranoid annoy that you

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Speaker 3: think you don't get there. And you know, when I

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01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: was in college, I only knew what the people that

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Speaker 3: went to school with me.

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Speaker 1: Looked like or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I was able to travel to and see for a

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Speaker 3: lot of period of time. But you got you read

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Speaker 3: everybody's everything. You know what they're doing at TSU. If

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Speaker 3: you go to Ant, you know what they doing it

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Speaker 3: at Howard. If you go to the ham then you

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: know what they're doing at Hampton, if you go to Winston,

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Speaker 3: you know what they're doing it everywhere, so you know

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Speaker 3: what you know. I just went to Tuskegee and performed

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Speaker 3: and saluted the Tuskegee, but I didn't perform that. Pretty

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Speaker 3: much every HBCU are only Howard and Lincoln, I think

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Speaker 3: of the only two that I.

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Speaker 1: Haven't don't that's dope, you know.

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Speaker 3: And the thing that is consistent is the experience is

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Speaker 3: the same everywhere. That's why I've been advocating for my baby.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking her on college a couple of college towards

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Speaker 3: this summer, but I want her to go to an

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Speaker 3: HBCU because at a PWI, there's no scenario where you

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Speaker 3: will ever be the majority. You'll never be the majority,

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Speaker 3: and that group think that you're going to develop and

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: it's such an essential time in your life, those years

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01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: you need to, in my opinion, you need to be

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Speaker 3: around people who are elevating their minds but also have

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Speaker 3: the same type of understanding of what the world is

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Speaker 3: going to be. No matter what we accomplish here, no

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Speaker 3: matter what we accomplish, this is gonna be our reality.

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Speaker 3: Be operating within that and amongst that. And it's something

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Speaker 3: that at HBCU does in regards to camaraderie, because I

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Speaker 3: tell people all the time, that's all college is. It's

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Speaker 3: about relationships. They're gonna teach you the job when you

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01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: get it. It's all about discipline and relationships. That's what

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Speaker 3: colead college is about. That's no matter if you in undergrad,

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: master's doctorate, is all showing that you can manage relationships

1340
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: and be disciplined enough to do whatever is required for

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Speaker 3: you to get this piece of paper. If you're a

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Speaker 3: black person, HBCUs allow you to do that while also

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Speaker 3: developing an understanding of people who come from all different

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01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 3: walks of life. You're gonna have people who grew up

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Speaker 3: with some money. You're gonna everything, You're gonna get it

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01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: a PWI, but nobody is gonna be looking at you

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01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 3: like a right because we understand each other and that's

1348
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Speaker 3: why it's so important to me to advocate for HBCUs

1349
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: because when you go, like you said, somebody like you

1350
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 3: who can come and sit in there and identify and

1351
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Speaker 3: engage with these students because we are it's us, it's us,

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Speaker 3: it's us and us. It's the same everywhere. The movie

1353
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Speaker 3: is the same. Yes, the names of the characters might

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Speaker 3: be a little different, in the set might be a

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Speaker 3: little different, but the plot is the same.

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Speaker 1: Yes all.

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Speaker 4: And then there's also a level of education that I've

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Speaker 4: self educated an entire like probably like you know, like

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Speaker 4: I said, I go to sleep listening to books like

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm.

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Speaker 1: I don't listen to music.

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Speaker 4: I always am listening to books or lectures or debates

1363
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 4: or like foctional seeingn I listen to stuff like that

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Speaker 4: just for technique. That's what people don't understand how deep this.

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm saying, like the result people see doesn't

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Speaker 4: equate to the work that was put in bro Because

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you, man, like my last relationship, Shorty used

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Speaker 4: to be like yo, man.

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Speaker 1: I know everything on CNN, Like I just know what's.

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Speaker 3: Going on in the world because every room this so

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Speaker 3: in he gonna put that ship on and it ain't

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Speaker 3: really because they're interested in what's going on. I just

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 3: want to see how they dialogue, how the point of

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Speaker 3: references and God say, you know what I mean, different techniques,

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 3: the sandwich technique where you leave with the compliments, you

1376
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Speaker 3: put all the good ship in the middle, and then

1377
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Speaker 3: you're in with the compliment. So all of those different

1378
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 3: things are ways this strategy that you learn. But being

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Speaker 3: able to go to like lecture out of TSU, you're

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Speaker 3: teaching them ways to do it that they're not getting

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Speaker 3: from within the structure of the collegiate system. That's why

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Speaker 3: you're valuable because we need to see that brothers that

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 3: come from your line of background, because there's a young

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Speaker 3: version of you who just made the decision to go

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Speaker 3: to school that is going to identify with you.

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Speaker 1: That would have been me. I'm that that come from

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Speaker 1: that and did all of that.

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Speaker 3: But just my uncle got his brains blowed out and

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01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: it's scared to shoot out me. So I'm like, I

1390
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 3: gotta do something with myself that's adjacent to this bullshit

1391
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: because I know what they got waiting on me, and

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01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: this was a giant and I know I may end

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Speaker 3: up having to knock a neck off in a way

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Speaker 3: that I don't want to have to do, or they

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Speaker 3: gonna I'm not I know I'm bigger than so I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna go another route. We got DC tag DC Leap.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna pay in the state tuition for us to

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Speaker 3: go to school. That's what the influx of all of

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Speaker 3: us went to school. But somebody like you coming to talk.

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Speaker 3: There's somebody who is you who just made that decision

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: to go. There's somebody who is me as so many

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01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: young as me that I'm gonna talk directly to.

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Speaker 1: And then they are gonna talk to everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Right, And then you know what's so interesting is after

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Speaker 4: my shows, I instruct my my production team to do testimonyies.

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Speaker 4: And these are not scripted, These are not you know,

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 4: they're not telling these people to give a positive review

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01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: or negative review.

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Speaker 1: They're just saying, what do you think about the show today?

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Speaker 4: And those people would always point out, even if they

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Speaker 4: didn't know my name, they'd be like the host guy

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Speaker 4: was up there, and he was very interesting, and how

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: he would push Umar and say certain things and make Umar.

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Speaker 1: Clarify, and he was just doing a great job.

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Speaker 4: And I think That's what I told Umar is I

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Speaker 4: opened up the market for him. Bro, a lot of

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Speaker 4: people just let him talk exactly when you talk to

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Speaker 4: Umar to just be like, go ahead, yeah, because he's

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Speaker 4: so he's so powerful, and he knows how to speak.

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Speaker 1: He's a great speaker.

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Speaker 3: But what you have done, and what I like about

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Speaker 3: watching you interview anybody is the accountability that you make

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Speaker 3: that you understand words, you understand dialogue in a way

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Speaker 3: to where you're not just going to be able to

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01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: hear something because it sounds good, Like all right, that

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Speaker 3: sounded good, But what.

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Speaker 1: You mean right and clar how did you get to that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he explained to me why.

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Speaker 3: I can't you know what I mean white women? Right, yeah,

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 3: I mean beyond just yeah, all of the Frederick Douglass

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 3: and all that stuff that that you know, because you

1433
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 3: can throw facts out there, you can talk, and because

1434
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 3: you are throwing so much information out it's just sensory overload.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 3: But but somebody who is used to consuming information, Okay,

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: then I knew all that already. But tell me how

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01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: I get to the point.

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 4: And then what I what I like to do, in

1440
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 4: particular with with people who have strong stances. Is I

1441
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 4: point out the contradiction in their lives. Right, So we get,

1442
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 4: all right, so cool, don't sleep with a white women,

1443
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 4: right because of d But what about doing this because

1444
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 4: of da da da da da? Isn't that the same correlation,

1445
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 4: just a different avenue, right, And it's like those things

1446
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 4: that start to expose contradiction, and then I had I know,

1447
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 4: for a fact, I've tooken Umar down roads where he

1448
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 4: didn't have talking points for and a lot of people

1449
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: who interview him, they don't get him away from the

1450
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 4: talking point. Yeah, because he's so he's he's he's overloaded

1451
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 4: with what he can say about this and that and

1452
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 4: that and this and this and that, and so I

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 4: would consciously, but I'm working on it. I'm working on that.

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 4: Candis ONWS. I really want to make that happen because

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01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 4: I think that's that's easily person I would like to

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01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 4: talk to she's here a dialogue with she lives here

1457
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 4: for real? Yeah, because you know, one of the things

1458
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 4: that you learn when you know you you communicate.

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Speaker 3: As much as I've had to throughout my life, is

1460
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 3: that you know alternative perspectives. You should welcome that. You

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01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying you should welcome being able to

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: have a dialogue because most deals are closed at tables

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01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 3: with people who.

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Speaker 1: Don't think the same.

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01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 3: Yes, but they come to a commonality of how we

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01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: can get to a that nation that benefits all of us.

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01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 3: And even if I'm allowing my people my village to

1468
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: see how we don't have to be at war with

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01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 3: your village, but we can be we can agree to disagree.

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01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people, you know, misuse

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01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: that statement. In my opinion, the agreed to disagree. If

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 3: we agree to disagree, that means we've agreed that our perspectives,

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01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: we respect each other perspective enough. You've explained your your

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01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 3: idealism well enough for me.

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: To resp understand it.

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: I don't agree with it, but I don't agree, but

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01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 3: I see where you're coming back that you have it

1478
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: and that you feel that way yes, and that right

1479
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 3: there is something that is is our value mean, because

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01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 3: I don't have to agree with you, And I think

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01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 3: that's the only time the you know, the end all

1482
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 3: be all, not that it's not that you know.

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01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: And I think that's the only.

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 4: Time you really learn is when two people who can

1485
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 4: explain their differences sit together.

1486
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: I think real fireworks come out of that.

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 4: Real learning I'm talking about generations come out of that,

1488
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 4: Like when like if a Candice and a Umar sits

1489
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 4: down and let's say me and you are moderating or something.

1490
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: Bro. The dialogue that comes out of.

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01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 4: That lives outfit and it benefits so many different people, Bro.

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01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm confused as to what the dunking

1493
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 4: is and and and if it is about.

1494
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: Whatever it's about.

1495
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 4: I think she needs to let me know that so

1496
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 4: I can try to see if we can navigate through,

1497
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 4: navigate around that, man like, because it's needed. It's so needed,

1498
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 4: especially with her perspective, because she's able to and she's

1499
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Speaker 4: swiftly swift.

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Speaker 1: She she has a very very swift, strong mind.

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01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 3: So you know, that's something that I would want to see,

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01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 3: you know, for sure, And I make sure you know.

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 3: I advise you know, people to go back and watch

1504
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 3: Malcolm debate, you know when he you know, the Harvard

1505
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 3: Debates and and all these things. Oh yeah, go watch

1506
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 3: Malcolm debate man, because his perspective is all and they're

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01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,520
Speaker 3: asking them questions that that that would make the average

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: black man react aggressively because they're saying things that are inflammatory,

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01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 3: if you will. And the way that he masterfully answers

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01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 3: these questions is, you know, to me, he's the second

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01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 3: and the greatest. You know what I'm saying. As far

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 3: as just being able to him, man Ferry Cohn as well,

1513
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 3: like Cohn, like if you ever, I grew up with

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01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 3: uncles in the Nation of Islam. So I remember sitting

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 3: in the basement and like I said, me not having

1516
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 3: the father made me engage with men differently. So the

1517
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 3: fact that they were so engaged with it made me

1518
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 3: so engaged with it. But I didn't even realize that

1519
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 3: I was getting that level.

1520
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: Of game in that time.

1521
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 3: But watching like fer Cohn on sitcoms in the nineties,

1522
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 3: Go watch him and Sally, Jason Rafael and all these

1523
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 3: people coming up coming at coming at him from the

1524
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: crowd and talking about how and he just, oh no,

1525
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 3: so calm and collect for that questions. So calm and collected.

1526
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 4: That's what I need. I need that right now. I'm

1527
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 4: in the mold where I don't I have that. But

1528
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 4: but but I'm more a preacher. I'm more preacher like right,

1529
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 4: and and what I like about me is when I

1530
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 4: get going it's damnar like I'm wrapping damn there like

1531
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 4: shit metaphors and analogies and ship and it's dope. But yeah,

1532
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 4: but that Phara Kahn dude was such a oh man,

1533
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 4: just how he would good question, brother, thank you.

1534
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: But then but that's what I'm saying.

1535
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 3: But then there's also the side when he's speaking directly

1536
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: to us.

1537
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: And he gets it. And that's what I love and

1538
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: get rowd I'm talking about.

1539
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 3: And you see that he get and let you know,

1540
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 3: like immediately and and and being able to watch those

1541
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 3: types of speakers and have that type of you know,

1542
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 3: and from each side of the game, like you know

1543
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 3: what I mean. I'm I'm a fan of just I'm

1544
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 3: a Bill mat fan me too.

1545
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: I love Bill.

1546
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 3: I love Bill Man, Like that's one of my goals.

1547
01:13:58,520 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: Bill.

1548
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, We need to make you

1549
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 3: gotta make that because because just because of his ability

1550
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 3: to be able to dialogue with people who all across

1551
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 3: the board about everything and still have a comedic presence,

1552
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 3: and him as a comedian is hilarious, you know what

1553
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Given his perspective on religion and his you know,

1554
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 3: disbelief in God and all of that. Like, that's a

1555
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 3: major thing that I love to see people dialogue about,

1556
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 3: is people who are atheists or people who you know,

1557
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 3: believe in different religions.

1558
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: And seeing him have.

1559
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: Those type of dialogues peacefully, It's something that I've always

1560
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: been engaged by because I just like to see how

1561
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 3: people explain their lively is and like because that and

1562
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 3: they're pro much the people perspective wise, So seeing people

1563
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 3: be able to have those conversations has always been something

1564
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 3: that I've gravitated towards. And then I'll sit and just

1565
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 3: watch all day, you know what I mean. You see

1566
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 3: me in the airport, my head down. I'm usually watching

1567
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: a debate or listening to a book or or or

1568
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: you know, watching you know what I mean, video and

1569
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 3: I you know, you look at my algorithm. I go

1570
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,839
Speaker 3: all different types of different ways, but interviews and watching

1571
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:09,520
Speaker 3: people discuss certain things and shit that I value because dialogue,

1572
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 3: you know, communication, rut of nation.

1573
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 4: And that's the beautiful and the most beautiful thing is

1574
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 4: and bru listen. When I was coming up, I didn't

1575
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 4: think it was entertaining. But as an older man, I

1576
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 4: sit I can sit and get me some and sit

1577
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 4: and watch this shit for two and three hours and

1578
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 4: just be like really ingratiated in the conversation sometimes. And

1579
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 4: that's also what got me to doing podcasting, is because

1580
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 4: I would watch people and be so ingratiated with the

1581
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 4: conversation that I'll pause it and be like, Nah, they

1582
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 4: didn't even da and I'll be giving my perspective on

1583
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 4: what they're giving their perspective on in real time, you

1584
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and so all of that.

1585
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: But working that muscle, man, is what I love.

1586
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 4: I love to always work that muscle because it's nothing

1587
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 4: like not stuttering and just getting right to your points

1588
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 4: and smoothly, just being able to analogy, rhetoric, you just

1589
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 4: knowing what you're doing. It's just that's the most beautiful dance.

1590
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 4: To me, bro, in all of history. Communication is the

1591
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 4: most beautiful. Yeah, I love it, brother, I love it.

1592
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 4: It's beautiful.

1593
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, do you think Trump is

1594
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna pardon Diddy?