1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They call 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Welcome as always, fellow conspiracy realist. 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: This is our weekly listener male segment where we hear 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: from the best part of this show, you and your 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: fellow listeners. It is, of course, as we've said previously, 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: the most wonderful time of the year, as decided after 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: great deliberation by us. And we're we're encountering some paranormal 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: things today, we're encountering some ghostly things. We're encountering some 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: unsolved mysteries. So where should we begin today? I have 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: an idea, what if What if we start with the 18 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: unsolved mystery and we go to the realm of dream 19 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: and then we go to the realm of the afterlife. 20 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: How does that sound you? Guys. Sounds great. It's like 21 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: a real journey there. Yes, so, uh so, first off, 22 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: to set this up, we have talked at length about 23 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: crypto cryptocurrency, and we've also talked at length about mysterious 24 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: disappearances or unexplained deaths. Uh. One thing that many people 25 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: outside the crypto space don't know is that the official 26 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: identity of the inventor of blockchain and bitcoin has never 27 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: actually been officially revealed. And uh that for a lot 28 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: of people's the main mystery of bitcoin. But there's another 29 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: one that we just heard about recently that I don't 30 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: think we've ever jumped into. Have we No, we have not. 31 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: And Chris wrote to us, I think today, is that correct, Ben? 32 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: I think Christ to us today or yesterday, just today, 33 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: and and just said, I'm not sure if you've covered 34 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: the mysterious death slash perhaps disappearance of bitcoin investor Gerald Cotton. 35 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. Well, Chris, no, we have not. But now 36 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: we've we've all dealt into it a bit. We dipped 37 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: our toes into this realm, and my goodness, there is 38 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: stuff worth discussing here. We may not get to everything 39 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: in this moment, but I think we're going to talk 40 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: about it more especially do to the content of the 41 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: first article that I jumped into and researching this topic 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: from Business Insider from September of this year. Netflix true 43 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: crime documentary dives into cryptic death of crypto millionaire Gerald Cotton, 44 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: and I thought Netflix is making a documentary on this already. 45 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: How do we not know about this? Well, Uh, it 46 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: just flew under the radar. Honestly, seriously, I had no idea. 47 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: There have been so so many crypto security issues over 48 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: the past several years, and we've talked about a ton 49 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: of them. We just talked about one in our last 50 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: episode that we recorded of Strange News. This one is weird. 51 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: This one's very weird because it deals with perhaps a 52 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: person who faked their death or a person who did 53 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: in fact die but took with them a fortune. Very strange, 54 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: and it has to do with the nature of cryptocurrency 55 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: and blockchain and the way that you can get keys 56 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: to those kingdoms. Very weird. So let's let's jump into this. 57 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: The Netflix show is going to be called Trust No 58 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: One Colin The Hunt for the Crypto King and it 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: is all about this guy, Gerald Cotton, who was the 60 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: founder and CEO of an exchange called Quadranga or quadringa 61 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: c X crypto exchange, and he died suddenly in two 62 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. When he died, he was running this exchange 63 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: kind of like Mount Cox that we've talked about before 64 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: in the past, where they're kind of the go between 65 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: between people who are looking to buy and sell cryptocurrency 66 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: or exchange cryptocurrency for other currencies, like a popular one. 67 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: Right now, it'd be like crypto dot com or coin 68 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: base is an exchange. It's like a app where you 69 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: can purchase it. But people always recommend that you don't 70 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: leave it on the exchange because if you leave it 71 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: on the exchange then things like the Mount Cox hack 72 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: or collapse could happen. And technically, if you don't have 73 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: that crypto in your own encrypted wallet or bank situation, 74 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: it's not actually here's yet. Yeah. There in lies some 75 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: of the weirdness that honestly, I don't fully understand. And 76 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: you can make fun of me as much as you want, 77 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: and the reviews or wherever you are, you awesome crypto 78 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: people that know way more than me. But I just 79 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: don't know a lot about this, but I'm learning. Ha ha. 80 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: Look at this guy doesn't know everything. I know the 81 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: integrity to admit it instead of pretending otherwise it doesn't matter. 82 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: I so, uh, this person, Mr Cotton, he likes to 83 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: control this stuff, and honestly, I don't know other ways 84 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: that would make something like this more secure. Where he 85 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: actually stored around a hundred and ninety million dollars worth 86 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: of bitcoin, and he was the guy who was in charge, 87 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: so he had the passwords that were needed to access 88 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: those funds and to manipulate those funds make trades and changes. 89 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: When he died, that information, at least according to the 90 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: people around him and his wife who became executor after 91 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: he passed, those were lost with him, so that all 92 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: of that money from around seventy five thousand investors, Uh, 93 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: it just disappeared. So there's a lot of interest from 94 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: people who say lost maybe a hundred dollars to a 95 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: million dollars. Two more are very much into figuring out 96 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: what the heck happened. And he stole from the exchange, 97 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: is that what you're saying, He actually stole other people's 98 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: crypto that had not been taken off of this exchange. No. 99 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: We read from Business Business Decider here quote Cotton encrypted 100 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: and stored around a hundred and ninety million U S 101 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: dollars worth of his customers bitcoin cashes and held sole 102 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: responsibility for the passwords needed to access those funds. Then 103 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: the crypto millionaire suddenly died in India from complications from 104 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: Crohn's disease about three years ago. And yes, and when 105 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: he died, he didn't give that security information to anybody else, 106 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: at least according to those around him, including again his 107 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: wife is an executor. So all these people want to 108 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: figure out what that happened, They want to track their 109 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: money down. It's it's out there, it's somewhere right and 110 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: due to the nature of blockchain, like you, you almost 111 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: know where it is right, you know exactly where it 112 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: is and what's happening to it. You just can't access it. 113 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: And that's got to be terribly, terribly frustrating, especially if 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: this is a meaningful amount of money for somebody, which 115 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: I guarantee it is. But then, of course, when someone 116 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: like this dies, they are the sole person who has 117 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: control over a large amount of money. So you know, 118 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: around two hundred million dollars, there are going to be 119 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: rumors spreading that perhaps this person didn't actually die you know, 120 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: show me the proof that this person is actually dead, 121 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: because you may think, well, perhaps this person is on 122 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: an island somewhere, which I believe he did purchase an island. 123 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: He also purchased a Sessna. He also purchased a yacht 124 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: with an extra gas tank, um because he needed to 125 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: be able to sail, according to the story in Vanity Fair, 126 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: um all the way to the Caribbean without stopping in 127 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Canada or the United States very specific gask. So this 128 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: Netflix shows coming out in is going to attempt to 129 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: track down what happened to this person, if he is 130 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: indeed still alive or what You can look to the 131 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: sun out of the UK. You can read a little 132 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: bit more about this about why people believe he quote 133 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: died rather than died. You can also head on over 134 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: to I Think It was Coin Highlight was an interesting 135 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: website that had some pretty good reporting on this. And 136 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: there's one other place you should go if you want 137 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: to learn more about this story, and that is Vanity Fair. 138 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: There is a huge, huge article that came out in 139 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen I believe the end of that year titled 140 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: Ponzi Schemes, Private Yachts and I'm missing two fifty million 141 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: dollars in crypto. The Strange Tale of Drina or Quadriga. Um, 142 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: it's a long read, just to forewarn everybody, but I 143 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be worth your time. There's tons and 144 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: tons of detail in here about this person, who he was, 145 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: and why a lot of people believe he may have 146 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: just left with that money. Pretty cool stuff. Yeah, this 147 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: could be a full episode because it's like a heist. 148 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: It's gets like a case of potential, you know, disguise 149 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: and intrigue and faking one's own death. That has all 150 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: the things. Um. It's this interesting thing too about the 151 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: whole blockchain. I mean, is it purports to be all 152 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: about transparency, but yet it's used for all kinds of 153 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: catchy shady dealings. Uh, And it is pretty easy to 154 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: make things disappear. Uh. You can trace the providence of it, 155 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, through the blockchain. But it's sort of the same. 156 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: This isn't exactly right, but the way that um, you know, 157 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: the the CIA can trace phone calls using metadata but 158 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: not actually knowing who exists on either end. Um, it's 159 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: kind of like that, Like it's it's it's still pretty 160 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: easy to obscure. Yeah, I just want to leave you 161 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: with some of some of these little details that you 162 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: can get out of that Vanity Fair article. Guys, four 163 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: days before Cotton had left for India on whatever trip 164 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: he was on. When he passed away, he changed as 165 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: a will around and left all of his money twelve 166 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: million dollars in real estate holdings. Uh, the Lexus, you 167 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: got to give that away, the Cessna, the Gulliver, which 168 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: is the name of that giant yacht that he owned, 169 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: and a hundred thousand dollars for the care of the chihuahuas. 170 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: It all like his will that he made four days 171 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: we're leaving sent all that stuff out essentially in the 172 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: case of his death. And um, I don't know, it's 173 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: a little weird. Maybe he just was trying to cross 174 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: some teas dots of eyes when it comes to international 175 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: travel and you know the perhaps dangers that may lie 176 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: within that. Or maybe he was trying to move his 177 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: money around before he disappeared. Yeah, that's the interesting part here, 178 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: because the the timing is weird. Right, First it could 179 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: just be unfortunate timing, but secondly, I was looking in 180 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: the details of the the chain of custody for the body, 181 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: which was apparently returned to Nova Scotia after the police 182 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: said they had no objection to the official death certificate 183 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,479 Speaker 1: which came about from a local municipality uh in Jaipur 184 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: right where. And this is not a ding on anybody, 185 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: but it it's pretty widely acknowledged that it's not impossible 186 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: to bribe people fairly easily in certain parts of India, 187 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: especially when you're at the local or street level government. 188 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying I'm not saying he faked his death. 189 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying things can happen. It seems very strange that 190 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: he was the only whole are of those keys right? 191 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: This is a big venture, a lot of money involved, 192 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people involved. If something happens to him, 193 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: like in this case, he knows that that's it. If 194 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: you can't get access to that money anymore. Mm hmmm something. 195 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: What did you say last episode? We're not necessarily in 196 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: the fish factory, but it's smell a pretty fishy. It 197 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: makes me wonder if any of these like Crypto or like, 198 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, we haven't really even seen. It's such 199 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: a new space that we haven't seen, like the big Crypto, 200 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, criminal syndicate. Right, we don't know, I don't 201 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: have a face yet. They're just like, you know, folks 202 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: like this or like, you know, these developer types, sir. 203 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: Because it's even still kind of sketchy to like more 204 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: traditional Wall Street folks. And it's like, you know, we've 205 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: got El Salvador and the president of El Salvador announcing 206 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: that that country is now going to start accepting bitcoin 207 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: as legal tender alongside the US dollar, And you gotta 208 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: wonder is that gonna lead to it being a haven 209 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: for like crypto criminals, you know, Like I don't know, 210 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: it's certainly a country you hear about corruption taking place in. 211 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if you know, if people are out 212 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: on the lamb with their you know, sacks full of crypto, uh, 213 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: if that's going to become a destination for them. Yeah. 214 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: Two of the UH. And I think there's another African 215 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: country that is also engaging in a digital currency. I 216 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: think it's uh. Nigeria is issuing they banned a crypto exchange, 217 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: and earlier today the news drop that they're they're issuing 218 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: something they call the e Nira, I mean digital currency. 219 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: I think is is going to be unavoidable in the future. 220 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: But with this, the two biggest conspiratorial angles I've seen 221 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: are people arguing that Cotton faked his own death. Fancy 222 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: word for that again is pseudo side that's pretty yeah, 223 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool, or the other theories that his death 224 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: exposed was an actual Ponzi scheme, which is possible. But 225 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: the the thing that the thing that we have to 226 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: say to be fair is successfully faking your death is 227 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: extremely difficult for a number of reasons, uh with and 228 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: again we'd need to do an actual episode on this. 229 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: But like, from what I understand, this is one of 230 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: the people who would have the ability to do so. 231 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: Like you guys pointed out, that's not a normal yacht, 232 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's also uh, that's that's 233 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: a long distance we could disappear for a while yacht. 234 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: But if you want to fake your death effectively, the 235 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: people that I believe have done so successfully have almost 236 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: always done it in a foreign country if they're US based, 237 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: because it's a little easier to get around the rules 238 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: in some countries, or they've just gone off into America's 239 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: Great Wilderness and decided they were going to live off 240 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: the grid in a kind of miserable life until they 241 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: were caught. But I, I just I don't know. Man, 242 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: it's so hard to actually fake your death in a 243 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: sustainable way unless you have scads of money and unless yeah, 244 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: and unless you can if you ever want to travel 245 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: from where you have to be able to circumvent the 246 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: customs and border control systems, which he could. Yeah, Derek's 247 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: is that money again? That's superpower. You can figure out 248 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: all kinds of interesting ways around rules and laws if 249 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: you got that moolah. Well, there you go, Chris. We've 250 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: just scratched the surface there. But uh, you know, I 251 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: guess we'll all be watching that Netflix shout out. You're 252 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: welcome Netflix, where all that stands between them and bankruptcy. 253 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back, And we're back with 254 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: another message from you. Yes you, triple Z. I'm talking 255 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: to you. Uh triple Z rights in with a subject 256 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: line Lucid Dreaming Paralysis. Hey guys, a long time listener, 257 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: first time email. You can call me triple Z. I 258 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: did I love the show. I'm a big fan of 259 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: the strange news segments. Thank you. Um. At a young age, 260 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: I was really interested in Lucid Dreaming. I would stay 261 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: up for a day until I was physically tired and 262 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: try to keep my mind active when I attempted sleep. Uh. 263 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: The idea is to trick your brain into keeping your 264 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: consciousness active while your body is asleep. From doing this, 265 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: I believe I developed sleep paralysis. UM. That affects me 266 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: still to this day. It happens once in a while. 267 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: I wondered if you guys had any experience with lucid 268 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: dreaming yourselves or heard of anyone getting sleep paralysis from it. Again, 269 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: love the show, Thanks guys. UM. I found a ton 270 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: of really really cool stuff. There's a lot of new 271 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: studies being done into dreaming, which is neat because, I mean, 272 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: one of the articles I read, uh in see science 273 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: Focus UM lead with the the idea that, hey, we're 274 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: sending billionaires into space and all this stuff, and uh, 275 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, solve so many mysteries of the universe, you know, 276 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: through science. But one thing that still remains largely out 277 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: of reach is the state of dreaming. And that is 278 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: because it's hard to study something that is purely subjective 279 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: to an individual. You know, you can study brain wave 280 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: patterns and things like that, and you know, monitor breathing 281 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: and the way the body behaves. But you can't exactly 282 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: like shove a camera on somebody's brain and see what 283 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: their dreams are like. So you would rely on that 284 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: subject to be able to describe it to you. And 285 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: that's something that lucid dreaming is playing a big part of. 286 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear, but to anyone that isn't familiar, 287 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: lucy dreaming is is like triples, he said, where you 288 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: essentially train yourself Two. It happens during r E M sleep, 289 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: which we know rapid eye movement, which is the state 290 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: of sleep where dreaming kind of kicks in. And if 291 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: you can keep yourself aware, uh of being awake and 292 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: of being you know, in the waking world while still 293 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: experiencing that R A M state, you can technically at 294 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: the very least be aware of your dreams, describe them, 295 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, in a sort of a cogent kind of way, 296 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: or even steer them if I'm not mistaken. Isn't that right? 297 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Then We've talked about this in the past, and the 298 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: notion that you're supposed to be able to almost like 299 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: drive your dreams better that way. Yeah, yeah, the idea is, uh, 300 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: it's odd because the ideas or the phenomenon. From a 301 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: scientific basis of sleep, prowesse and lucid dreaming are not 302 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: that different. They're both kind of a hybrid state of sleep, 303 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: and there's some really interesting studies done on that. There's 304 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: not really a lot of substantive work yet on a 305 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: causation between lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis. But you can 306 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: teach yourself to experience lucid dreaming. I've I've experimented with 307 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: it in the past. Uh, mainly mainly due to some 308 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: uh personal interest. Shout out shout out to Brian. Yes, 309 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm the one who has dreams in a shared universe. 310 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely spot on. Well, these are Um, this 311 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: is a skill that people can teach themselves, and the 312 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: steps are relatively simple. But your mileage may vary. And 313 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: for a lot of people they'll encounter they'll encounter sleeping 314 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: lucidity in relatively short bursts, like without a d percent 315 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: success rate. Yeah, mileage may indeed vary, and that's I 316 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: don't know, this is my theory, um, you know. And 317 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: being not like a sleep scientist or anything, but almost 318 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: the way you put it, bad I think makes perfect sense. 319 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 1: That's the lucid dreaming and uh, sleep paralysis are seemingly sides, 320 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: two sides of the same coin. And I'm wondering if 321 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: lucid dreaming is like the positive side, uh, and sleep 322 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: paralysis is the negative side, Like, couldn't you also lucidly nightmare? 323 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: You know? Is it? What is sleep paralysis if not 324 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: a lucid nightmare where you're sort of trapped in that 325 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: state between waking and sleeping, but also they lost control 326 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: of your body. Yeah, but in your lucid nightmare, you 327 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: could grow wolverine cloths and like anything that's coming at you, 328 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: you're good to go because you can heal yourself and 329 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: you've got wolverine cloths, unless it's paralyzing, lee, terrifying, and 330 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: then you're just like, you know, stricken because it does 331 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: feel like you know the commonalities between people that experienced 332 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis is they often have suffered some kind of 333 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: trauma it seems, you know, or or there's some triggering 334 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: you know, event like it just doesn't come out of 335 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: nowhere usually. But I'm sorry if that's way off base, folks, 336 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: let me know, um, but that that that is my 337 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: understanding from that food is that film that actually ended 338 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: up being quite scary. It was called like the nightmare 339 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: I think about the shadow people and sleep paracess. Well, 340 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: there's there's another. Another distinction is reading a study a 341 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: little while back that said, this is how I know 342 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: that there hasn't been a lot of substance research into 343 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: a causation between lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis, which hopefully 344 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 1: triples the is good news um for you because it 345 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: helps us eliminate one of the possible causes. Uh. Sleep 346 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: paralysis involves a full return to consciousness to wakefulness while 347 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: you're muscles while you're still experiencing muscle a tonia, which 348 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: is why you're you're not thrashing all the time when 349 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: you're having a very active R E M phase. On 350 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: the other hand, lucid dreaming evolves getting some of your 351 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: waking consciousness back while you're still fully asleep, so you're 352 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: not the differences in sleep paralysis. You kind of are. 353 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: You're much closer to being quote unquote awake than you 354 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: are lucid dreaming and lucid dreaming. You're just kind of 355 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: like realizing you're in the matrix, you know what I mean, 356 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: Or you're having that inception moment where you're like, hey, 357 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: tops usually stop spinning. For anybody wants to read more 358 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: about that, I'd recommend Terror and bliss commonalities and distinctions 359 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: between sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, and their associations with waking 360 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: life experiences. Is it the sexiest title? No? Is it 361 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: a good read? Yes? I don't know if you guys 362 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: are listening to Radio Rental this season as it's come around, 363 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: But there's a story in there about a woman who 364 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: witnesses what her husband was having a sleep paralysis episode on. 365 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: So who knows if it's real? Who knows exactly what's 366 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: happening when it just came out, And it's making me 367 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: think about this, the difference, you know, lucid dream and 368 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: then waking up and perhaps part of your brain is 369 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: still in a dream state, or actually seeing an entity 370 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: into your room attacking your husband. Yeah, that's not good. Um, 371 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean, we've talked about the the idea 372 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: of lucid dreaming being a pretty ancient concept, right. In fact, 373 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: I believe Aristotle had some cool stuff to say about it. 374 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Aristotle described it um as quote, often when 375 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: one is asleep, there's something in consciousness which declares that 376 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: what then presents itself is but a dream um roundabout 377 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: way of saying, you know, you're like awake dreaming basically. 378 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: But you know, there are some studies looking into this 379 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: concern over people that have taught themselves how to lucid 380 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: dream the idea of like getting stuck or something or 381 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: having it be harder to wake up. Um. It always 382 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: make sure you think of like nightmare in elm Street movies, 383 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh I can't wake up? Uh, that 384 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: would be terrifying too. And to me that fear seems 385 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: to be somewhat intertwined with sleep paralysis. Um. But then 386 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: it seems like you've read a little bit more of 387 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: these studies that I that I'm that I'm seeing. Did 388 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: you see a direct correlation between the two or are 389 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: they just kind of operating on similar principles? Um, because 390 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: our our listeners seems to believe that his practice in 391 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: uh um lucid dreaming led to the sleep paralysis troubling them. Yeah. 392 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: So well let's talk a little bit triple X about 393 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: the the most important thing, which is techniques or things 394 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: you can attempt to lower your likelihood of sleep paralysis, 395 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: which is a terrible feeling. Also, yeah, I've been I've 396 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: been caught on the ass out end of a lucid dream. 397 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You jump off the building. 398 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: You're supposed to wake up before you hit the ground. 399 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: I didn't. It's not cool. Wake up if you can. 400 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: But with with sleep paralysis, uh, some of the big indicators, 401 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: like the only common indicator between both sleep paralysis and 402 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: lucid dreaming is what are called disassociative experiences. But sleep 403 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: paralysis is a little bit different because sleep paralysis can 404 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: be it's likelihood can be increased by your stress and 405 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 1: anxiety in waking life. Not the amazing film, but you know, 406 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: you're just day to day while you're not sleeping life. 407 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: And you can also predict a likelihood of sleep paralysis 408 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: based on sleep quality. So if you're if you're natural, 409 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: like if you are one of those people who has 410 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: successfully acquired society's current six to eight hours in one 411 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: block kind of pattern, that's that's the one that's normal 412 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: in society, but it's not really normal for humans. Um, 413 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: if you have that down and then you're something in 414 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: your life means that you have to break that cycle 415 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: and you have to you know, start sleeping in a 416 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: polyphasic manner, or you're just getting less sleep than normal, 417 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: or you find yourself sleeping for like long ten hour 418 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: burst routinely, then messing. What you're doing at that point 419 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: is you're you're forcing a readjustment reaction from from your brain, 420 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: and that can lead to the states of hybrid sleep 421 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: that can lead you to sleep paralysis. And furthermore, I 422 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: would advance the idea that calling them calling them sleep quality, 423 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: anxiety and life stress as though they are three separate things. 424 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: It's not. I mean, I get it, but the distinction 425 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: is not super bright because if you have anxiety and 426 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 1: life stress, that is almost certainly gonna mess with your 427 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: sleep quality. There are very few people who are like, man, 428 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: this is crazy. I'm so scared. I'm so miserable. Thank goodness, 429 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: I still get my six to eight. Do you know 430 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah? I mean, even with like sleep aids, 431 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: it's not always quality sleep. You know what I mean? 432 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: Are like people that need to drink alcohol to try 433 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: to fall asleep. That's that's going to be like a 434 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: very poor quality sleep. And if you have one of 435 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: those fitness trackers, you can usually tell. I think it's 436 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: about how long you stay in our him So I 437 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: can't remember exactly, but there's definitely ways of like gauging 438 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: the quality of your sleep. I alluded to it at 439 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: the top of this of this story, I just want 440 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: to wrap up with it. Uh. There is there are 441 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: some kind of interesting developments being made in dream study 442 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: that that hinge directly on um observing folks that have 443 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: the ability to lucid dream Ken Polar is a psychologist 444 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: and dream researcher at Northwestern and he has this to 445 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: say in this article on Science Science Focus that I 446 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: found memories of dreams can be missing some parts of 447 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: dreams and can be distorted and incorrect. So if that's 448 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: all we have to go on, then building a solid 449 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: science of dreaming can be difficult. Um. He goes on 450 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: to say that what he and his colleagues have discovered 451 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: is that if you you know, observe folks that are 452 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: lucid dreaming, they can come up with a system of 453 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: codes uh that allow them to almost communicate directly with 454 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: the dreamer and get more vivid descriptions. So, along with 455 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: his partner another scientic research are named concholy Um, they 456 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: use some labs in France Germany and the Netherlands to 457 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: essentially exploit that level of awareness that lucid dreamers are 458 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: able to exercise, and they you know, gathered several experienced 459 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: lucid dreamers, one of whom I believe an artist who 460 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: who uses lucid dreaming to create these really cool I mean, 461 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: sorry for lack of creativity here, but but dreamy kind 462 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: of geometric um ink pen and ink images that almost 463 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: looked like these weird mazes that are kind of mixed 464 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: with like cave paintings or something. They're really really cool um. 465 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: But they use beeps and flashing lights um, and they 466 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: are able to kind of almost uh it's almost like 467 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: a guided hypnosis thing where they're then able to give 468 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: instructions um to the lucid dreamer to kind of give 469 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: them feedback, and then they take notes accordingly. So it 470 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: seems very very new, but very very cool. Oh, it's 471 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: it's it's it's um. Oh, what's the name of it? 472 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: Dream yoga, yoga nitra. It's like an ancient technique, but 473 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: there I'm sure they're applying the more scientifically rigorous applications 474 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 1: right to clarify the Indian Hindu practice of yoga nidra 475 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: is similar to the Tibetan Buddhist practice of dream yoga. 476 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: People have been on to this for a long time. 477 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's kind of free entertainment depending 478 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: on do you guys remember that film Waking Life, of course? 479 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: I still my favorite moment in that film is when 480 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: the person has kind of achieved a state of lucidity, 481 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: the protagonist, and they ask one of the entities they're encountering, 482 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: what's it like to be a dream? And they just 483 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: never answer, sort of the whole thesis of the of 484 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: the film. In a lot of ways, it now it 485 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: makes me think about the techniques to train yourself to 486 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 1: be able to lose a dream. I don't know if 487 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: you guys ever tested some of these out where you well, 488 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: what are a few of them, Matt Well? Someone where 489 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: if you have a small light, like a candle or 490 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: something that you can focus your eyes on while you're 491 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: laying down and starting to drift off, and but keeping 492 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: yourself awake, focusing on the candle, which would ground you 493 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: in the real world, in your space where you actually 494 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: physically are, where your body is, while your mind starts 495 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: to go elsewhere. Um and like shut itself down essentially, 496 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: and if you do that enough times, your brain then 497 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: kind of finds itself awake in that space between dreaming 498 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: and sleeping. And that's kind of the gateway at least. Yeah, 499 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: that doesn't work for everybody, and it doesn't work every time, 500 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: but and there are other techniques to and some you know, 501 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: work for some and some work for others, and you know, 502 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: obviously probably people can find ways of figuring out themselves. UM, 503 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting this article. I can't recommend it highly enough 504 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: by Christian Jarrett for Science focus dot com. It goes 505 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: on to mention something we've talked about recently on it 506 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: was either strange new user or one of these uh, 507 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: the idea of um using uh dreams or influencing dreams 508 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: to sell stuff, uh that we talked about it. We 509 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: talked about a cores Light campaign that was really more 510 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: of a gimmick. I don't know that it was. It 511 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was actually trying to hijack people's dreams. 512 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: But the to the ability to do that and the 513 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: inherent kind of badger out of the madness of all 514 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: of this. This field of research, you know, is a 515 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: little worrisome because as we know, I mean the pure 516 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, um, ethical version of a thing, whether it 517 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: be a scientific discovery you know, like the atomic bomb, 518 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: or or or technology that leads something like that, it's 519 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: ultimately going to get out in the world. And you know, 520 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: when something gets out in the world, it's inevitably going 521 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: to end up being exploited by terrible people. So um, 522 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: it's an interesting field to keep an eye on, but 523 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: it does have some troubling you know, dystopian sci fi 524 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: kind of future ramifications if you really think about it. Yeah, 525 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: if anybody wants to try their hand at being in 526 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: one area, not or that's just kind of freestyling on 527 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: on eurology. The study of dreams. One of the most 528 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: effective again, your mileage may vary. Just one that has 529 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: worked for me in the past is what's called the 530 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: wb t B wake back to bed. You've probably experienced this, folks. 531 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: If if you have dreams, you have woken up. You've 532 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: woken from some dream, right, And have you ever had 533 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: the feeling like, oh, I need to get back to 534 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: sleep immediately so I can continue this awesome dream. Or 535 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: I can't go to sleep just yet because I'll be 536 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: back in the nightmare or whatever. There's truth to that 537 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: because when you go back to sleep after waking up 538 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: for a short period of time, you are more likely 539 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: to encounter dreams, like you'll go back into r E 540 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: m uh much more easily, and you'll also be more 541 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: likely to lucid dream. So that's that's something I think 542 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: has been very effective. And then also keeping a dream 543 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: journal will help you immensely. So if you want to 544 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: try those three things, UM, I wish you great success. 545 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: You know, I had a weird dream the other night 546 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: where it was a dream about a dream that I 547 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: had dreamt many years ago, and it was one of these. 548 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: It was a scary dream. It was about like I 549 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: had I had gone to see us a very scary 550 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: Asian horror movie UM, and I don't remember the contents 551 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: of it, but something about it was just like scarier 552 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: than anything I've ever seen. It was like a vision 553 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: of hell or something, and um, I woke up fully 554 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: thinking this movie existed and started trying to google it, 555 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: and then I realized, like, this movie does not exist. 556 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: I was just remembering a previous dream of having seen 557 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: this dream horror movie uh from years ago. But it 558 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: was very familiar and I was like, this is bizarre. 559 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what you call that, like dream javou. 560 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean it was very jarring, and it was a 561 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: cool way. I mean I wasn't like upset or anything, 562 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: but I fully was like, what is this piece of 563 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: sin him that I should fully be able to find? 564 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: Um and it just doesn't exist. So I was clearly 565 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: dreaming about a memory of a previous dream. Whoa dreams 566 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: on dreams on dreams, y'all. Yeah, some of this stuff 567 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: does have a pretty patently like you know, inception an 568 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: e type vibe. Um. But I think again, there's a 569 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: lot of imagination that can go into thinking about the 570 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: study of dreams because of how little we know about it. Um, So, 571 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: any anything that's gonna push that forward I'm all for, 572 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: at least until the you know, the big Madison Avenue 573 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: ad agencies get ahold of it. Yeah, that's fine. This 574 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,479 Speaker 1: is all real, guys, You're real. I'm real, it's all real. 575 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: I promise the future is now, um and uh, the 576 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: future is in an ad break now. It's gonna just 577 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: come into your ears, not your your dreams, hopefully, unless 578 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: it's like really effective, you might I mean, who knows 579 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: you it might, it might do it for you, and 580 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: you might dream about it. But we'll hear that and 581 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: then we'll be back with more messages from you. The 582 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: time has come again, the hour grows late, the moon 583 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: the color of blood. I hope it is a stormy 584 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: night as you're hearing this, doc, would you mind hitting 585 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: that sound cue. It's time for more ghost stories from you. 586 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: Were doing this for the rest of October, and the 587 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: end of October is coming too soon. Here's our first one. 588 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: This is from Kyle. Kyle says, Hi, there, I hope 589 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm not too late for the ghost stories thing. When 590 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: I was a boy, about two or three years old, 591 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: I used to see a woman at night when I 592 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: was in my bed. She was an old woman, and 593 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: she would be over me as I lay in bed, 594 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: the way you sort of sit half on the bed 595 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: and lean over slightly with your arm on the other 596 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: side of someone if they are laying flat on their 597 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: side of the bed. She came to me on several 598 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: occasions and would talk to me. She would ask questions 599 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: like how are you and are you okay, and questions 600 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: about my family. I was a child, and so obviously 601 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: I was extremely scared of this and told my mom 602 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: about this woman. My mom took notice of this as 603 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: I was quite distressed about it, and she told me 604 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: that if I don't want to see the woman, asked 605 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: her not to visit you anymore. So that is what 606 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: I did, and I never saw him again. My mom 607 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: told me that it was about a few months later. 608 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: She opened up a box of her stuff to unpack. 609 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: As far as I am aware, we had not long 610 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: moved into this flat, and it was like a box 611 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: of photo albums and things like that. So my mom 612 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,479 Speaker 1: started looking through an old photo album. I'm playing about 613 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: in the living room and come to look at the 614 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: pictures and I point out the woman who was coming 615 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: to talk to me because apparently my mom's grand uh 616 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: editorial note us listeners, that means mother's grandmother. I can't 617 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: fully remember all the things she asked me or what 618 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: we spoke about, but I do remember seeing her and 619 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: asking her to go away. I still can't to this 620 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: day go to sleep lying on my back. It just 621 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: gives me chills. This happened to us in Cambridge on 622 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: To area. So that's that's the first one, and I 623 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: wanted to share this with everybody first. Thank you, Kyle, 624 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: I want to share this with everybody, because that's not 625 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: an uncommon experience. I don't want to put you guys 626 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: on the spot, but if you had any situation like 627 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: that in your own lives that you're comfortable talking about, 628 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: not really yes, but no, got you. Yeah, so yes 629 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: to the first part, not to the second, I got you, 630 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: you might be interested, Kevin to learn that you're not 631 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: the only person who has written in with stories or 632 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: accounts like this. There is also a rich vein of 633 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: literature and lore related to children's saying things that are 634 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: inexplicable or you know, maybe seemed disturbing. There was a 635 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: great Reddit thread making the round several years ago where 636 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: it was just scary things that children have said to 637 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: their parents. Uh and and a lot of times they 638 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: seem to imply, um, a ghost or the kid is 639 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: maybe having an imaginary friend if you want to be 640 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: more skeptical, who somehow seems to have a lot in 641 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: common with a relative who has passed on or Some 642 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: of my favorites were the ones that sound as though 643 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: there is a the kid at least believes they have 644 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: a past life. That that kind of stuff pops up 645 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: in horror and it's it's not made out of whole 646 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: cloth I have. UM. I think a lot of people 647 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: have had visions. I mean to our earlier listeners question 648 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: about lucid dreaming, about of people encounter lucid dreams at 649 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: some point in their life. So the odds are on 650 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: your side. But with the idea of what appears to 651 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: be a visitation from someone, um in your family or 652 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: someone you're close to or you knew and they passed 653 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: beyond the mortal veil before you did, uh, it's it's 654 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: hard to navigate, even if you're a very skeptical person. 655 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: I I just want to point out my favorite of 656 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: the the creepy child statement genre is there was one 657 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: where these parents are driving with their kids. They're in 658 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: traffic or something, and then their daughter is like four 659 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: or five or something. She points to this car that's 660 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: in traffic with him and she's like, that's the car. 661 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: That's the car I got in that accident in before 662 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: with my other mom and dad. And they're like your 663 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: other mom and dad, sweetie, And then she says, yeah, 664 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: they got out okay, but I sure didn't. No no 665 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: word on what model of car it was, but I 666 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: think we probably also have a lot of people in 667 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: the crowd today who have had either your parents later 668 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: told you you said some creeps or stuff, or maybe uh, 669 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: or maybe you have encountered your own child saying something 670 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: that kind of squidge out, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, 671 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: you got an example more too many? Right, not necessarily 672 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: a sibling. I didn't grow up with siblings, but it's 673 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: just you know, I'm I'm easily I'm more easily squigged 674 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: than one might think. I got you. Yeah, anything to 675 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: do with like describing veins, for example, like or like 676 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: like blood flow through the body, or like cutting that 677 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: stuff makes me go a little faint. Have you ever 678 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: seen the veins on some birds when they when you 679 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: when they don't have feathers, Yeah, it's then they look 680 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: like weird little freaking fetuses, And I don't like it. 681 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: One day. Yeah, I'll add hairless cats to that. I 682 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: know that they're doing their best, and what people have 683 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: done to them it's unfair. Are you familiar with the 684 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 1: famous internet hairless cat named Bingus? Yes, you're aware of Bengas. 685 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: I'm aware of Bengas. Yeah. I I expressed distrust and 686 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: distaste for Bengas of no fault of Bengas his own 687 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: to my daughter, who's a big fan, and she canceled me. Uh, so, Fellas, 688 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm canceled for not appreciating the wonder and majesty that 689 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: is this weird little fetusy looking, creepy veny cat named Vengas. 690 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: Well maybe you can make peace with the feline. Cats 691 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: are creatures native to dream, so uh, just just get 692 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: yourself in a lucid dream and have a waking life 693 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: situation with Bengas. Speaking of dream, ben Um, I know 694 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: I asked you particularly because I know that you're you've 695 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: read them, Um, are you if you've seen the trailer 696 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: for the new Sandman series on Netflix? I have. I 697 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: think it looks quite promising that it could be good 698 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: if Neil's happy with it. I'm happy. You know, the 699 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 1: casting of of Dream in particular, I'm not even familiar 700 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: with the actor, but looks pretty spot onto me. So 701 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: um and also a friend of the of the network 702 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: and show, John Cameron Mitchell is is in is in it. 703 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: It plays a character. So I'm looking forward to very much. 704 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: And we're going to move to an excellent, an excellent 705 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: series of anecdotes and legends from Robin Uh. Robin writes 706 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: in Too in response to our story about the Devil 707 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: visiting a nightclub in San Antonio. Remember that's the one 708 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: where he partied hard and the knee he must have 709 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: like dropped off, the dropped a hot single in the 710 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: restroom because he disappeared. Uh, he dropped the evil kids 711 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: off at the pool. Yeah, he made a deposit. Yeah. 712 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: So this is funny because Robin said they stumbled across 713 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: an almost identical older story, older version of that San 714 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,919 Speaker 1: Antonio in the seventies story in a N six compendium 715 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: of Welsh folklore, and they found it just a few 716 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: weeks or days before they heard our listener mail segment 717 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: with ghost stories. So here just if you're sharing these, 718 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: because they just tickle me to an infernal degree. First 719 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: Devil at the card party at an inn in Iberswith. 720 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: It was once the custom of members of local fashionable 721 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 1: society to hold card parties and dances on Sunday nights. 722 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: On Sunday one evening, a stranger arrived. He was an 723 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: exceedingly handsome young man, very well dressed in a cloak 724 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 1: of rich black velvet and wearing curls on either side 725 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: of his face. He easily got permission to join the 726 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: dancing party, chose the most beautiful girl in town as 727 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: his partner, and made himself very agreeable. After the dance, 728 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: he sat down with the rest to play cards, still 729 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: with the same partner, she happened to drop a card and, 730 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: stooping to pick it up, saw that this stranger at 731 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: cloven feet. She fainted and never recovered her health, dying 732 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: shortly after. The result was a great impetus to Sabbatarianism 733 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: in the town. Wait this, this is a tale that 734 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: I just heard about. There's a haunted there's a haunted 735 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 1: manner in Ireland that has this tail as like why 736 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: the place is haunted and it's now a hotel or 737 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, an inn in a place where you can 738 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: go and ghost hunt. But it's this tail. Yeah, you 739 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: gotta find it, gotta find it. Yeah, sorry, I like 740 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: I just wrote, I just wrote this down in our 741 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: meta for an episode we should cover. Oh wow, amazing. Okay, 742 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: well this seems like a good indicator, Matt m At 743 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: the very least, there's somebody weird feet who's just carousing 744 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: and philandering across the land. Well, according to the legend 745 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: of this place. I'll tell you the name of why 746 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: doesn't find it? Uh this it was the devil and 747 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: it shot through the roof, like shot straight up through 748 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: the roof, and there was still a whole or you know, 749 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: part of where there was a hole where the devil escaped. 750 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: But then the real history is that the woman, rather 751 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: than dying and like classing it dying shortly after, she 752 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: was actually kept hostage essentially in the house by the 753 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: people who owned the house and her family's because she 754 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: was she had gone what's going to say this mad 755 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: because of her experience loftus Hall in off this hall. Okay, well, 756 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: here's here's the second one. We'll we'll dive into Loftus Hall. 757 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's get supernatural with it, let's get spooky. 758 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: This next one, also from Robin, is called Second Sites 759 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: and Warnings the Deacon's Vision. Some sixty years ago or more, 760 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,919 Speaker 1: there was a gathering of the Calvinistic Methodist at Aberystwyth, 761 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: which I am probably mispronouncing, apologies Welsh friends. Two deacons 762 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: who came to attend it were lodged in a house 763 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: on the front now part of a larger building. They 764 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: were given a double bedded room next to the drawing room, 765 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: but chose for the sake of warmth to sleep in 766 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: the same bed. Sure they did sake warmth, okay, to 767 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: their surprise, for they supposed themselves the only guests. They 768 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: were kept awake by the sound of dance music next door. 769 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: Presently there was a heavy thud as of someone falling, 770 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: and then the door of their room was opened, and 771 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: several persons entered, carrying what appeared to be the body 772 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: of a woman dead or in a faint. This they 773 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: laid on the unoccupied bed and went away, paying no 774 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: attention to these two deacons. The latter got up, but 775 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: found no one dead or alive in their room or 776 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: the drawing room. The landlord in the morning said that 777 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: there had been no music or dancing, and that there 778 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: were no other guests in the house. Sometime afterwards, however, 779 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: they received a letter from him saying that a party 780 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: of English visitors had since had a dance in the 781 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: drawing room, during which one of them, a lady, had 782 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 1: fallen dead. In her body placed where the old men 783 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: had seen it in their earlier vision. Usually not shared 784 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: unless it's a folly. Ad I love that term. Well, 785 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: that's another great one. Do we have any dates associated 786 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: with these? Are these are just this is lore? Well 787 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: we know they were before, right, because that's when the 788 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: couple was published. That's that's where we'd have to start. Um, 789 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 1: folly ad is for a new one. I'm familiar with 790 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: the term. It is a description that's it's not perfect, 791 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: maybe a little accidentally offensive to people, but it's described 792 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: as an identical or similar mental disorder affecting two or 793 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 1: more individuals, usually members of a close family. So one 794 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: of the most famous examples in popular culture of what 795 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 1: has been called folly a d before was the report 796 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,359 Speaker 1: of these two teachers who were visiting Versailles and they 797 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: felt they had traveled back in time just for a 798 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: brief moment. Remember that story. They saw ghosts, they saw 799 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: historical reenactment, whatever it was. Ultimately the mobilely Jordaan incident. Yeah, 800 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: it seems like what probably happened in that case was 801 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 1: that it would be as though we were all, uh, 802 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: the four of us and you, fellow listener, It's as 803 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: though we were all on a road trip and we 804 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: went to one of those towns in Virginia where they're 805 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: like his, how Witchen, but the gloial way and like 806 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 1: uh ing, and then you stumble. You know, it's like 807 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: it has always stumbled across one of those towns and 808 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: did not know that re enactment towns were a real thing. 809 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: That's kind of what they encountered. But with this, it's 810 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: a little bit stranger because this opens the door for 811 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: another theme we can hopefully explore in uh In in 812 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: a future listener mail segment when gets stories from you folks, 813 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: And it's this claire voyance, the idea of precognition. Right. 814 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 1: We we know that time works in a very strange 815 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 1: in a very strange way once you get down to 816 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,239 Speaker 1: very small levels, and we explored this in our two 817 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: part episode on dreams. We've also received numerous reports, anecdotal, 818 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,240 Speaker 1: of course, of people who say, like I, I fundamentally 819 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: know if something has happened to my twin or my 820 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,760 Speaker 1: close sibling, or I suddenly know if something has happened 821 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: to loved win right, it's usually a close relative, but 822 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: not always um And those are stories. You know, three 823 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: of us of fall more on the skeptical side, but 824 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: we want to believe more more importantly, we want to 825 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: find a true explanation for these things. 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