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Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call.

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Speaker 1: It Crew, and welcome to another episode of Call It

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Speaker 1: What It Is.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this person.

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Speaker 2: We're both very excited about this.

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Speaker 4: We're so excited.

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Speaker 1: She was on my original list of guests when we

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Speaker 1: first started the podcast. Because I'm so obsessed with her,

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Speaker 1: I've been stalking her on social media, watching every video ever.

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Speaker 4: Her name is Vanessa Lee m hmm.

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Speaker 1: And she is the owner of the beauty concept bar

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Speaker 1: The Things we Do here in Los Angeles, and she

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Speaker 1: is a world renowned medical esthetic provider. She is incredible.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I know about her is because when

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Speaker 1: my Glam team we're over here, we've talked about the

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Speaker 1: The Glam team know all the things. A couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, I was like, tell me who everyone loves?

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Speaker 1: Who is it that everyone goes to? Who do they love?

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Speaker 4: And they were like, Vanessaly the Things we do?

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Speaker 2: So I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I can't And honestly, I haven't been to see her

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Speaker 1: for anything. I just watch her videos. That's not me

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Speaker 1: saying like, you know, I'm so good, because I totally

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Speaker 1: believe in whatever you want to do do And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask her all the questions about my own face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, can we get a little consultation?

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Speaker 4: No, this is All'm gonna use this as an what

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Speaker 4: do I do?

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Speaker 5: An active consultation? Tell me what it is that I need? Well,

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Speaker 5: hold on, I'm gonna start with this as like a mindset.

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Speaker 5: I actually really do think this is important to say.

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Speaker 4: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Anyone needs anything.

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Speaker 5: No, I think that there are I hear people talk

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Speaker 5: about the things that bother them just about like I

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Speaker 5: don't know that started when you were teeny tiny and

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Speaker 5: you had your first idea about what you saw when

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Speaker 5: you looked in the mirror. And we all have and

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Speaker 5: we all know those friends that are like I don't

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Speaker 5: like this, and you're like you're crazy, right, and not

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Speaker 5: what you should say, but that's how you feel, right,

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Speaker 5: You're like, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Even I kind of see that.

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Speaker 5: So I think that this relationship that we have with

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Speaker 5: you know, these kinds of you know, medical aesthetic providers,

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Speaker 5: is like I think it's really important to go into

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Speaker 5: it saying like this is what I see.

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Speaker 2: I know, I don't need anything.

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Speaker 5: I am perfect as I am, but or and yeah,

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Speaker 5: here is the thing I see and how could we

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Speaker 5: what would you suggest that we do about that? I

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Speaker 5: just want to highlight that I really do, I really

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Speaker 5: do think that we don't need this, but I do

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Speaker 5: think we live in a culture that is gets very

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Speaker 5: excited about its possibilities.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I one hundred percent agree with you. And

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Speaker 1: there was a long time when I have was feeling

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Speaker 1: like I'm never gonna do anything because I just like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be one of these people that you like.

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Speaker 1: And I, at forty one, see the first signs of

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Speaker 1: like aging because I've had a baby face, so I've

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Speaker 1: been very lucky.

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Speaker 4: But now I see it and I'm like, oh no, oh.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not going down without a fight doing all

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Speaker 1: the things. But the truth is, though, is that like

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Speaker 1: I really, I have not there's no filler in my base.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know if I need it.

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Speaker 1: I'm already around you, but I don't know a lot

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Speaker 1: about it. So I'm going into this trying to educate

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Speaker 1: myself too, as well as anyone listening that has a

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Speaker 1: sound no me too.

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Speaker 2: Me too, me too? Okay, I want to hear all

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Speaker 2: the things.

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Speaker 4: Yes, geek allies.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm so so excited.

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Speaker 1: So before you Vanessa, welcome to call it what it is,

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Speaker 1: but I have to tell you your intro was this. I

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Speaker 1: and I said, who does everyone?

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Speaker 5: Whose are the people to ask? By the way, sorry,

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Speaker 5: I think it's important to say this. So the glam

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Speaker 5: team says, your hair and your makeup, because they're not

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Speaker 5: just doing your hair and makeup.

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Speaker 2: They're all around town doing all the people's hair and makeup.

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Speaker 5: So they're with people that you likely know or have

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Speaker 5: seen many different versions of and everyone's journey this kind

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Speaker 2: And so okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: So I said, who is the person? Yeah, I said,

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Speaker 4: there's someone. There's someone in the city that's doing that's

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Speaker 4: doing the best work. Who is it? And they said you.

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Speaker 1: So I've been stalking you on social media for like

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Speaker 1: two years. Yes, I imagine what I might need might

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Speaker 4: I mean, actually we just talked about this. We don't

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Speaker 2: Suggest, Yeah, yeah, you don't need a thing.

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Speaker 3: I agree. And also the hairstylists of I think the

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles entertainment industry. Hairstylists and makeup artists are the

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Speaker 3: the best way possible. It's so thankful, but.

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Speaker 2: It's so cool. They talk about this a lot. We

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Speaker 5: And by the way, you give none unless you're ready

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Speaker 5: for it to keep going like it. Put it on

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Speaker 5: a train and you don't know where that train's going.

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Speaker 5: But I think that they do. They know all, and

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Speaker 5: they've and they I've seen it from all different angles,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I trust them. I was going to ask

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Speaker 4: her to tell us the story of how she got started.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the year was two thousand and eight. I just

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Speaker 3: graduated nursing school. I was forced into nursing school by

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Speaker 3: During nursing school, I realized that, like you know, there

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Speaker 3: And my callings were like, you know, we're going to er,

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Speaker 3: Now I've been in the industry for sixteen years, but

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Speaker 3: And at year ten, I realized there is a huge

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Speaker 3: I always was like the black sheep at offices because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the doctors. I still say no all the time,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like that's why I became a bit

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Speaker 3: of like you know, oh it's Vanessa. I really don't

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Speaker 3: Like it doesn't hurt me when somebody says, you know,

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Speaker 3: because we're just really honest about things, and we're here

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Speaker 3: to it. I'm just going to give you your best and

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Speaker 3: and if something doesn't serve you, then we pivot.

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Speaker 4: I've been seeing this, this whole.

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Speaker 1: Your vibe, everything you've been doing for years now, and

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Speaker 1: I just this is exactly why I love you.

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Speaker 4: And we have a ton of questions for you. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm ready, ready, Okay, jess Well.

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Speaker 5: I kind of want to start with the starting point

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Speaker 5: because I'm curious if it really is specific to the

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Speaker 5: person when people come in, what are they, how old

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Speaker 5: are they coming in at, and what are they talking about?

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Speaker 2: First?

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Speaker 3: Sure, so, Jessica that's such a great question, and I

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Speaker 3: think the answer is not cookie cutter as far as

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Speaker 3: like where someone starts off. I will say that every

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Speaker 3: we are are highly highly trained to make sure that

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Speaker 3: we have a very specific consultation and initial assessment process.

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Speaker 3: I think what we're lacking as far as like a

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Speaker 3: the whole analysis thing is really taking off because we're

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Speaker 3: finally realizing it's whatever this person is doing is not

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Speaker 3: going to serve everyone, Like, we have to figure ourselves out.

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Speaker 3: So what we're really strong with at the things we

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Speaker 3: do is the initial assessment or like the facial balancing analysis.

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Speaker 3: So if you guys have heard of facial balancing before,

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Speaker 3: I am the creator of that term within our industry.

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Speaker 3: I created it back in twenty seventeen. I've got the trademark.

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Speaker 3: It's like a whole thing, But what that consists of

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Speaker 3: and what our true training is is looking at the

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Speaker 3: different thirds of the face, which third of the face

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Speaker 3: thirds of the face.

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Speaker 5: All I want to know is both of those things

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Speaker 4: Can you do it?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you're over for anyone listening that's like

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Speaker 3: Often oval faces tend they tend to complain of less

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Speaker 3: So the desire is to have more cheekbones. So usually

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Speaker 2: It because people want to put filler in it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and people with high cheek bones think, oh, the

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Speaker 3: It's structure and strengthening the scaffolding of the skin, and

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Speaker 3: it's a stimulator that they need instead, it's not fillers.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome. By the way, I think it's true.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I'm saying something new that there's a

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Speaker 3: Yes, And there's ratios that plastic surgeons often talk about,

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Speaker 5: I think, yeah, well, also, what's the ten that we're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's his ten, what's my my? Yeah, my ten

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Speaker 5: Find that I mean again, I mean we're I think

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Speaker 5: I actually don't know. I cannot deciphe further age. Like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I understand. Here's how I feel about that.

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Speaker 3: You're right. You know, there's these people on TikTok who

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Speaker 3: And I know that people say that all the time,

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Speaker 2: I always happy to hear everything.

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Speaker 3: The other thing is, well, my favorite feature used to

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Speaker 6: Again, Yes, So for people who might not be able

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Speaker 5: Sure that that person checks those boxes and passes muster

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Speaker 5: because there's a lot of times I think that people

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Speaker 5: don't I hear so many times. By the way, what

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just realizing this as I'm saying it.

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Speaker 5: Anyways, I think that you know you, how do you

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Speaker 5: I think that's really important, and to make sure that

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Speaker 4: Vanessa.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to share things that I've noticed about

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Speaker 1: and then what I've heard is not the right thing

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Speaker 1: to do or horror horror stories out about and just

440
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Speaker 1: want to know sort of how you would treat certain things.

441
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Speaker 1: So I've noticed as I've aged, I don't have toffee.

442
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 4: Under I have the opposite. I have like a hollowing.

443
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: And then I've heard that like, okay, so filler is

444
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 1: something that's good for that. And then I've heard horror

445
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: stories about like no, do not do filler under your eye.

446
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: It can be placed wrong. You should place it this

447
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 1: way and if you don't, or a different way. So

448
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 1: how would you how is that? I feel like a

449
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: lot of people are not sleeping. It's twenty twenty five.

450
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 4: How would you treat that hollowness?

451
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Speaker 3: So, first of all, that is a very hallmark sign

452
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 3: of a circle, because the fat shifting in the upper

453
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 3: cheek to the lower cheek and in the lower face

454
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 3: is something that's common over time. Even if it's not shifting,

455
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 3: the fat pocket itself is starting to shrink, so we

456
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: don't have this fullness that's kind of everywhere in the

457
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: top of the cheese.

458
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 4: So this is a round the situations, it's a round facer.

459
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: It's a few different shapes. Is typical for around as well,

460
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 3: So I would say it's very common Also it's just

461
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 3: very common for like, yeah, well life and aging. It's

462
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 3: like fine if you're starting to notice those changes. There

463
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 3: are a few options that we have for patients I

464
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 3: don't like to. Here's what I'll say about filler. First,

465
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: we have been leading the industry as far as like

466
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: biostimulators and combining treatments and leaning more towards like you know,

467
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: bio regenerative and those type of treatments in general since

468
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, since we've opened. I also really love filler. Okay,

469
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: So in my own face, I have around let's say

470
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: four CC's of filler right now, which I only do

471
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: once every four years, three four years. So the amount

472
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 3: of that is less than a tea spoon. Okay, So

473
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 3: just four ccs and four syringes sounds like I have

474
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: like eight huge bazooka guns filled with like filler. It

475
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: sounds very scary. But when somebody comes in for any

476
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: kind of like facial balancing that consists of biostimulatory treatments,

477
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 3: threads and also filler, I'll tell them we might use

478
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 3: you know, closer to like a half a tea spoon,

479
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: which a half a tea spoon is like two point

480
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 3: five syringes two and a half CC's. If you think

481
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 3: about what that is, a half a teaspoon, that's really small.

482
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: And if we're starting you in your forties or fifties,

483
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 3: you've lost a lot of volume over time. The thing is,

484
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: filler needs to be utilized correctly with the right technique

485
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: in the right plane of the face. That's a huge

486
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: problem is using the wrong fillers in the wrong planes

487
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 3: of the face. And it needs to be placed in

488
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 3: the appropriate areas. So, for example, if somebody wants like

489
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 3: a soft lip, hydration is what we call it, where

490
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: we're not making your lips bigger, we're not changing the

491
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: shape of your lips, then maybe over time you've noticed

492
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 3: that there's more fine lines and wrinkles in the lips

493
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 3: coming more inwards. I can hydrate the lips with a

494
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: specific type of filler. Types of fillers and characteristics of

495
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: fillers are called reology. It's the science of like how

496
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 3: we study the characteristics. If the reology is softer and

497
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: the consistency is like a soft honey where it just

498
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: like hydrates and spills into the fine lines, but it

499
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: is not enough to really pack a punch of like

500
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 3: you know, steady volume where you're really giving someone a

501
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: robust pout. If something's really soft and spills into fine lines,

502
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: you're not going to put that in the underreyes because

503
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: in the undereyes, you need something really stable, and you

504
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: need it deep in the tissues on top of the

505
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: bone so that you don't see any filler from the surface.

506
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 3: You only see support and your skin is brought to

507
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: light a bit more. But there's nothing in the skin,

508
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: there's nothing in the fat tissues, there's nothing in the muscle.

509
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 3: It's all the way back on top of the bone.

510
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: So that's how I would utilize filler in the under

511
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: eye area.

512
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: So wait, Vanessa, I have a question. So when people

513
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: are complaining about filler under eye and being to see it,

514
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: is that the wrong filler or the wrong placement.

515
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: So here's the thing with Okay, we're going to get

516
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: into the politics of esthetics. Right now in the US,

517
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 3: we're very limited with the type of fillers that we have.

518
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: I just came back from Korea last week. I was

519
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: getting all of these things done. I was taking courses

520
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: with plastic surgery, plastic surgeons out there and dermatologists out there,

521
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 3: and then every day after class. I would like go

522
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: run and do something exciting that you can only get

523
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 3: done in Korea. In Korea, in Europe, in most of Asia,

524
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: they have like over fifty sixty one hundred different types

525
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: of injectibles. They have so many different types of reologies

526
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: where for each thing that someone is looking for, there

527
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 3: is a specific tool for that specific area of the face.

528
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: And here's the thing. It's so much more accessible, it's

529
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 3: a lot less expensive in Europe and in Asia. In

530
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: the US, we have a couple of companies that monopolize

531
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 3: the price, which is why it's so incredibly expensive. So

532
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: super I don't love t your trough filler. I don't

533
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 3: love scolars in that area, and it's really only for

534
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: someone who has true volume depletion. Filler is to replace

535
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: volume loss. If you don't have volume loss and the

536
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: shadow that you're seeing is due to this skin scaffolding

537
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: really starting to thin out or like the skin creepiness,

538
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: then you should use a biostimulator instead.

539
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: So what is a biostimulator that's is that an injectable

540
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: that's collagen?

541
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 4: Like what is that? Because I have no.

542
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: Idea, So biostimulators can be a few different things. Sculpture

543
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: is a type of biostimulator. PRFM, which is the next

544
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: generation of PRP, which is growth factor that comes from

545
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 3: your blood, is a type of blood stimulator. There's also exosomes.

546
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 3: There's also hyperdiluted.

547
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: I've been hearing about those a lot, like.

548
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 4: What is that? I don't even know what that is though,

549
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: if you talk about all.

550
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: Of those things, it's specifically in the under eye area.

551
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: PRFM which stands for a platelet rich fibrin matrix. It's

552
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: your own jelly matrix that's made from your growth factors

553
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: of your blood, from your PRP. It helps thick in

554
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: the scaffolding of your skin. And essentially what's happening is

555
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: your skin has less shadowing because now it has a

556
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: more collagenated matrix. That neocologenesis that has happened has spurred

557
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: your collagen in elastin fibers to become healthier and there's

558
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: more of it. So it's not that you had a

559
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: deep shadow from volume depletion from fat loss. If it's

560
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 3: because the skin structure and the fat structure has changed

561
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: a little bit and maybe it's just not as healthy.

562
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: We can replenish it instead of giving more volume. Then

563
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: that's the key factor for you. So that's what I

564
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: would say. There's quite a few different approaches to the underreye,

565
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: but those are my favorite. For the underreye.

566
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 5: What's the treatment that you see makes the biggest difference?

567
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 5: What do you what do you in all of I

568
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 5: mean truly, because like I said, I mean I think

569
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 5: botox I have sort of a love hate relationship with

570
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 5: I'll partake here and there, but I always have like

571
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: it's almost never like yeah, yeah, it can be a

572
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 5: little hit or miss, and let filler.

573
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: I told you, I'm frightened.

574
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, But what are the things that you feel like

575
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 5: really like when someone comes in.

576
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: And you you you guide them in this direction, they're

577
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: like so happy.

578
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll refer to when patients cry in my chair.

579
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: So when I show them the after, like when I'm

580
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 3: done with the treatment or if I'm seeing them at

581
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 3: their follow up and everything is completely healed, and I

582
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: show them their photos there before and after photos. So

583
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: we take pictures of every single patient every single time

584
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 3: you come in. And if your office doesn't do that,

585
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: it's questionable because I want to be able to show

586
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 3: you and I want to be able to study your

587
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: success over time. And I also want to be able

588
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: to see are we getting too close to maybe not

589
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: being as natural? Are we getting too far away what

590
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: our original goals are. I think if we start, if

591
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 3: we continue this path in three treatments, she may look augmented,

592
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: and that's not what we're looking for. We're looking for rejuvenation.

593
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: We're not looking for augmentation. So if you don't have that,

594
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: you know, visual documenting, how can you really tell? So

595
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: what people cry about most is the eye frame. When

596
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: I can make someone's eyes look the eye frame is more,

597
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: is brighter, is more opened, is less highed, doesn't look

598
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: as angry. And I think that makes so much sense.

599
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: Right when we connect with ether and when we're talking

600
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: to each other, we're looking at each other's eyes. And

601
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: when you look into the mirror and you don't recognize

602
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: yourself sometimes, or if you feel like you look angry

603
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: and tired, when you don't feel that way on the inside,

604
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: it's a trag. So I love treating the eyes. Now

605
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: with the eyes, I'm looking at temple support, I'm looking

606
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: at brow framing, I'm looking at the under eye zone.

607
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the upper cheek and how it connects

608
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: to the under eye zone, and that's a combination usually

609
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: of more so biostimulators, Like I'll use sculpture towards the

610
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: hairline to just kind of give like a baby lift

611
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: to this zone.

612
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: So sculpture is not a filler acid filler. Correct, It

613
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: is a BIOst I always thought that that was a filler.

614
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a lot of We classified it as a

615
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: filler years and years ago because we didn't have this

616
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: biostimulator category quite yet.

617
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: Okay, got it.

618
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: I'm writing this down by the way, I just got out.

619
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: I know I can tell you're right.

620
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, bios, Jessica.

621
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Her head's down, she's not texting. She's taking notes right now.

622
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: She's a note taker picking a lot of notes.

623
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: And I'd love to see you in person and just

624
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: give you a.

625
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: Coming for you.

626
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: We're coming. We're literally we're doing this from outside your

627
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: door in a van, so.

628
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: We're on our right door.

629
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: I can't wait on you in the back alley. Okay,

630
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.

631
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: Okay, So the sculpture is not filler. It's your own

632
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: body adding collagen. Is that right? Or am I wrong?

633
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: So sculpture is made out of p L A so

634
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: polylactic acid, and when it comes to us in like

635
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: a powder form, it looks like a powder, just like

636
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: how botox comes to our office. It's in powder form,

637
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: and then we have to reconstitute it with bacteriostatic saline

638
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: steral water, and then from there we have to use

639
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: it within a certain amount of time. Now it's an

640
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: injectable liquid. So p LA polylactic acid is a type

641
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: of crushed polymer, dissolvable, absorbable polymer that when we place

642
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 3: it within tissues, it's almost like a fertilizer for your

643
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: own collagen. So once it's placed within your own tissues,

644
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: and we kind of like you know, kind of globally

645
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: within a zone. It's not very precise, like if I

646
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: have a little uh, you know, indentation here, I place

647
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: a tiny bit of filler there, and then now I

648
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: get a little area of you know, improvement. This is

649
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: more so like if I need a larger zone of

650
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: the face that needs some collagen boosting and thickening, then

651
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to be using sculpture in this zone. So

652
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: we lose a lot of skin integrity here in the

653
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: lateral or the outer portions of the face. Closer towards

654
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: the hairline, and then the fullness of space and skin

655
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: itself shifts down and forward. So if we can preserve

656
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: this outer portion of the face as much as possible

657
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: without changing anything in the sentilized features, that's really successful

658
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: and it helps the eyephrame. You notice over time the

659
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: outer hood of the lid starts getting heavier and you

660
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: can't put on your eyeline or this same you notice

661
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: that more of it is covered by the hood of

662
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: the lid. If we place a little bit of sculpture.

663
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 3: You can do this with botox also, but it's not

664
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: as impressive. If we place a little bit of sculpture

665
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: in the temples and back towards the hairline, you get

666
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: this beautiful, very soft improvement by only stimulating collagen in

667
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: the areas of your face, like the soft tissues of

668
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: the face. Yes, it's good.

669
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: And does it happen right away or do you have

670
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: to Like I'm wondering, is this a bunch of sessions.

671
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Would you notice after one session?

672
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: That's a great question. I love that you guys are

673
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: so excited about this.

674
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: I'm so excited, so excited about all of it.

675
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: I just actually had it done eight weeks ago, I

676
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: was seeing all my patients success and I was like,

677
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: hold on, it's mama's turn.

678
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: Going on here.

679
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when we're working with sculpture, you do see

680
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: results instantly, but those aren't the results that are that

681
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: are going to stay because when we're placing it in

682
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: the volume that you're seeing is actual sterile water. That's

683
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: the carrier for the BLLA to get into your tissues.

684
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: And then that sterle water leaves you, so the swelling

685
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: goes away, most of it. Eighty percent of that swelling

686
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: goes away within the first few hours. And then what

687
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: ends up happening is it's a little sad because you

688
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: miss that result a little bit. And then what happens

689
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: is in the next couple of weeks, in the next

690
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: several weeks, your own collagen starts to take the place.

691
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: But it doesn't look swollen. It just looks like a

692
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 3: glow and like a youthful fullness of that replacement of

693
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: youth in the skin, and there is a tiny bit

694
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: of lifting with it. So that's a separate weapon for

695
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: that area. Some patients like to do a couple of

696
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: treatments and we guide you through that. Most patients do

697
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: within their within the ages of thirties and forties, early fifties,

698
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: will do maybe two or three sessions with our clientele.

699
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: That's perfect for us.

700
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: So let me ask, because I have that heaviness here

701
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: right as I've aged, I've always had these lines even

702
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: as like a kid, right and for me it isn't wrinkled.

703
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're considered really the marionette lines.

704
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure they are, but I feel like it's that

705
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: fat like pad moving. Do you fill this with filler

706
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: or do you again do something up here? Or is

707
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: this where threads then come in?

708
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: Great question? So for you, particularly when I'm looking at

709
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: this area, the marionettlines are down here towards.

710
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: The prol I thought that they were these.

711
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: This is called the nas A labial fold or oh

712
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: that's right, and then these are the marionette lines. A

713
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: lot of people also call them marionettes. Who are you know,

714
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: not in the industry, but we know what you guys

715
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: are talking about when you bring it up. This NASA

716
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: label fold right here is usual if you've always had it,

717
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: even since you were younger. It's completely normal, but over

718
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: time and it's really also I should say, this dependent

719
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: on the topography of your bone structure. So naturally my

720
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: topography of my fat pads and my bone structure is flatter,

721
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: so that's not typically a concern for my face shape

722
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: and my bone structure. However, if you think of like

723
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: some hearts and diamonds, there's a nice curvature in separation

724
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: to where the oral area meets the cheek area, and

725
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: that's actually really beautiful. I think that we've been tricked

726
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: to think that, like there's something wrong with nasallibial folds.

727
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: Diamonds since a very young age will always have deep

728
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: nasallibil folds, and they always talk about I hate my

729
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: laugh lines, I hate my laugh lines, and it's like,

730
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: you know what, you're in great company. Diamonds are Jessica

731
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: Alba and Beyonce and nasallibil folds are always a thing

732
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: for that face shape and there's nothing wrong with it. However,

733
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: if you notice that they're progressively getting worse, there.

734
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: Just feels like a heaviness, right, Like it just feels

735
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: like a like less youthful, like more heavy.

736
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're noticing that heaviness or that just that

737
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: change in that fullness in that zone and that shadow

738
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: becoming more I would start off with not filler. I

739
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: would start off with using sculpture down to the pureform aperture,

740
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: so all the way down to the bone. Within this

741
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: zone here, I would there's a deep fat pocket, not

742
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: the superficial fat pocket that's underneath the skin. There's a

743
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: deep fat pocket that if we can create some light,

744
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: gentle rejuvenation of that tissue, what ends up happening is

745
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: you have the support underneath without having any kind of

746
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 3: like flattening or fullness of the face or a muting

747
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: of your emotions when you're trying to show that. I also,

748
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: simultaneously so that you have bi directional support, create some

749
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: sculpture and possibly some threadlift, depending on the severity of

750
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: how much laxity you have in your tissues. I would

751
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: be able to get my hands on you and figure

752
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: that out more so in person. But if you do

753
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: this test where you take two fingers right on the

754
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: outside of your cheekbone where it connects to your hairline,

755
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: and just slight.

756
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: Shift, I mean you can see when I do it

757
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 4: like this.

758
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: Try to do even less, like two or three millimeters. Yeah,

759
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: So I would say if you had no difference in

760
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: that zone. I wouldn't even think to go up there

761
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: and place any support there because a lot of patients

762
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: have that as well. And then I just go straight

763
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: into the peer form. However, if you do have a

764
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 3: little bit of improvement when you do that tiny, tiny

765
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 3: shift and pull, and it's time to start paying attention

766
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: to the hairline.

767
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: You are the thread queen.

768
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: Thank you.

769
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: And I watch the videos and I'm equally enthralled and

770
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: terrified all the same time. And I have a question

771
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: of why it goes wrong for so many people, Why

772
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: so many people have thread horror stories. I also want

773
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: to know I keep reading that, like, if you ever

774
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: want some sort of facelift at some point, if you've

775
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: ever gotten threads, it like ruins it for some reason,

776
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: or it makes it more differently for something.

777
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 3: Yes, this is one of my favorite things to talk about.

778
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: Also, you might want to say what I Oh, yeah,

779
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about what they are, because you know, maybe

780
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: you're not like me.

781
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 4: On Vanessa's Instagram everybody every every hour.

782
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: So I'll start off by saying, also, there's a lot

783
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: of these like really viral posts from providers being like,

784
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: here's a celebrity who has done all of this stuff

785
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 3: and looks crazy. And here's a celebrity who really uses

786
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: like you know, great skincare, luxury skincare, has always taken

787
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: care of herself with facials and maybe has had a

788
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: little botox here and there. And when I watch these,

789
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, those are my patients who have done everything

790
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: by the way. Never they never are going to post

791
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: me like I'm kind of like this secret in their

792
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: back pocket. And like honestly favorite faces who look the

793
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 3: most natural I've touched multiple times. I'm talking like Oscar

794
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: Award winning like true artists who really depend on like

795
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: I need to look like myself, you know what I mean?

796
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.

797
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: Threads are dissolvable suitors that we use in soft tissue

798
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: injury and surgery. We've been using them for decades, in

799
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: decades and decades, but now they move to the aesthetic space,

800
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: and Korea has really taken off with making sure that

801
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: we have the most natural and the most i would

802
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: say respectful of our anatomy type of results. So the

803
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: threads are not in your system for very long. If

804
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: you think of what sculpture does, it's in your tissues.

805
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: It stimulates your tissues to build collagen in its space

806
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 3: and then it's out of there. But then your collagen

807
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: is what holds the results for so long. Threads do

808
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: the same thing, so they're like a type of biostimulator

809
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: as well. It's made out of a substance called PDO,

810
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: which is polydiacsive known and that is essentially another word

811
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: for a different type of polymer, just like PLA. So

812
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: when I talked about when I talk about PLA or

813
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: polyelactic acid sculpture to patients who have seen me for

814
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: a long time, they're like, what is that? And like

815
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: it's essentially like crushed up thread powder, and it just

816
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: is a new way to stimulate, you know, collagen in

817
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: your tissues. So with threads, the threads are placed in

818
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: they're anchored within your tissues. They have little cogs or

819
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 3: holders of your tissue molded into them, and they're placed

820
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: in the subcutaneous tissue, which is the fat tissue underneath

821
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: the skin, and it anchors you upwards and you're held

822
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: in that manner of how the vectors of the threads

823
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: are placed in because if the little holders are barbs

824
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: they're anchored into. Typically I go close to the temple

825
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: or just above the top of the ear, within your hairline,

826
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 3: so that you don't see any entry point whatsoever. If

827
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 3: you do have bruising or swelling, it's within the hairline.

828
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: And then the threads are only there for a little while,

829
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: sometimes a couple of weeks, sometimes a little bit longer

830
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 3: than that. Then as soon as that's that period is over,

831
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: the absorption of those threads have occurred already, they're dissolved,

832
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: but your own collagen has taken the place of where

833
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: those threads are placed.

834
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: Oh but if you're lifting something and then that thing

835
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: sort of disappears, is your face then falling again?

836
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: No, because when placed correctly, If you think about how

837
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: we use these dissolvable sutures within surgery. If there's some

838
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: kind of like tumor in a lung and we have

839
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: to take that out, we have size it and then

840
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: we close that lung tissue up. The tissue is then

841
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: sewed with these sutures. It doesn't stay there. That suture

842
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: starts to absorb, and your collagen takes over your tissue

843
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: mends itself and stays, and then that's your result. The

844
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: thread is no longer there, the suture is no longer there, So.

845
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Are there two types of threads though, because I feel

846
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: like some people complain that they can see a thread

847
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: you can oh.

848
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: So this is not a type of thread issue. It's

849
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: a user issue. So the provider has placed it way

850
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: too superficially. It should not be in the skin. That's

851
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 3: when you see it is what in When it's in

852
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: the skin, It's supposed to be in the subcutaneous tissue,

853
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: just subdermal.

854
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 5: I'm sure that you work on a million people who

855
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: I just go, oh my god, she's naturally gorgeous.

856
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: But in your own.

857
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 5: Experience, like, what was it huge that difference when you

858
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: did it yourself?

859
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: It's not huge, but did you feel so much better?

860
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 3: Totally? Because it's subtly dramatic. It's like it's like when

861
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: it's like when you get an amazing facial with micro

862
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 3: current and you have like your brain yeah, and you're

863
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 3: out in the world and you're like, I've arrived.

864
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 5: Okay, wait, so then sorry, we have to get to

865
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 5: this because it's very important. Yeah, everyone is talking about

866
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 5: Lindsay Lohan and you cannot. I mean you cause you

867
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: I actually spent about five minutes staring at this picture

868
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: the other day. I was like, I like to think

869
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: that I can kind of tell what it looks like.

870
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 5: You cannot tell what it is that Lindsay Lohan has done.

871
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: And yet when you look.

872
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: At a picture of her, and I say this respectfully,

873
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 5: and I really do because I think that everybody's you know,

874
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 5: like I said, I don't think anyone needs anything, but

875
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: when people do do things, I'm.

876
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: Like, okay, all right, this is this is in a picture.

877
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: It's pretty simple. She looks completely herself.

878
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that we can't tell what she's done

879
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: is the goal, right, You're like, wow, you look like

880
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: you drink and you've drunk five tons of water and

881
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: you've been just you know, under a red light, and like.

882
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: What is it?

883
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 4: That's the goal.

884
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: That's definitely the goal. Yeah, and doel so you feel

885
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: like with threads you can sort of get that feeling

886
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: or get that look.

887
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is what I'm going to say about

888
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: Lindsay's transformation. First of all, I don't know for sure

889
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: what she has had done. I also think that she

890
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: looks so wonderful and so like herself before Ibitha and

891
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. You know what I mean, you like,

892
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: definitely free that stage getting the type of look that

893
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: she has right now is very attainable with threads, with

894
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: biostimulators and maybe a touch of filler, definitely simply support

895
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: for her skin type. It's not addressing one plane of

896
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 3: the tissues. It's addressing the skin, the fat underneath the skin,

897
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: the muscle, the ligaments, it's the deep fat and then

898
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 3: all of that together makes sense and looks the most natural.

899
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: Can you also achieve those results with surgery? Which is

900
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: what I think, and again she's not my patient, but

901
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: this is my clinical opinion is she probably had a

902
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: surgical procedure and also had biostimulators in some laser treatments.

903
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 3: I don't think that she had threads. I think that

904
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: knowing from where she came from just a few years back,

905
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: that was like a lot of inflammation, a lot of heaviness,

906
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: a lot of loss of elasticity, and sugar and alcohol

907
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: and some things that she probably had some fun with

908
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: really adds to that. So when a patient comes in

909
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: and they're looking for a subtle lift and some slight rejuvenation,

910
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: and I ask them, how motivated are you? Okay, so

911
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: you know that when we do that lift, yeah, pull

912
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: back two inches and they're like, this is what I'm

913
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: going for. I go, great, here's my plastic surgeon that

914
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 3: I love, who's she's my favorite person in the entire world.

915
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 3: Go see her. You love her so much. As far

916
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: as what I can give you is a few millimeters,

917
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: sometimes a centimeter or two. What you're looking for is

918
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 3: like two inches, And I'm so sorry, but I won't

919
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: be able to do that for you. But here's who will.

920
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: And that's what I think the difference is.

921
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: Well, I just want to know about the facelift part

922
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: of it, because I've heard that the facelifts can be affected, like,

923
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: don't get spreads because in.

924
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 4: The future facelift.

925
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: Room, you've like screwed your planning left right to make

926
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: sure why not, Okay, I'm picking up what you're button down.

927
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, with the results that I ended up witnessing

928
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: from the original trainings that I had from the Western docs,

929
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: I was like, this is probably creating scar tissue because

930
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: there's just so much forcing your way with these canulas

931
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: threads through the tissues that there's no you're not creating

932
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: scar tissue. And so I think that there are a

933
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: lot of people who probably still have adopted those techniques,

934
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: and they're probably having a lot of trouble for people

935
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: who want to get facelifts in the future. I will

936
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: say this, the Korean technique, you use a light to

937
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: messent within the tissues. So to messent lightocane is you're

938
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: creating a very small space, a very light layer of

939
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: some lightocane and numbing within the tissues. The tracks that

940
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: you're going into with the threads are pre numbed internally,

941
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: and so what ends up happening is you're not forcing

942
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: your way through. You have this like light, very soft

943
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: space to go into, and then when you press down

944
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: on the tissues, you're locked in and you're lifted. So

945
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: that's the difference. I ended up doing some threads. I

946
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: did some kaibella to dissolve some of my jewels. I

947
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: ended up doing some thread lifting for my lower face

948
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: because I wanted to minimize my jowl and I wanted

949
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: a smooth or more defined kind of vline space. And

950
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, those things were cute, Like,

951
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: I'm it's I like the difference, but I'm ready for

952
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: something like really impactful. I'm ready for I have some

953
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: deep motivated feelings about this. So then I saw my

954
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 3: surgeon and during the consultation, doctor Sunder told me, is

955
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: there anything any treatments that you've have done in this area?

956
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: And I told her, I've done threads, I've done kuybella.

957
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that with moving forward with

958
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: surgery afterwards? And she was like, walk me through your

959
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: technique with threads. And I walked her through it and

960
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: she was like, you'll be fine. And I was like, great,

961
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: it really is because of how gentle.

962
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 4: That urgon and that makes sense, yes, But she was.

963
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: Like, by the way, after the surgery, she was like,

964
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: the kuibella that you've done before, it looked like a

965
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: bomb exploded inside your face. The fat tissue was so

966
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: distorted and not what Diabella does. It explodes the it

967
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: opens up the cell membrane of the fat so that

968
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: the fat can be released into your inner social fluid,

969
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: and then you pee and sweat out the fat over

970
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: the next like several weeks and then it's permanent fat damage.

971
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 3: But she was like, it was just so damage that

972
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: you know, she had to do some light bone is

973
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: a little bit tougher, so that was more of a

974
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 3: problem than the threads out interesting, Yeah.

975
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 4: Okay, rapid fire, come on.

976
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 5: Jess, for our listeners that you know, I mean for

977
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: all sorts of reasons, Like obviously your first step might

978
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 5: be something you can do at home, right, So I

979
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 5: just want to have a rapid fire skincare situation.

980
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: Great?

981
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 5: Great, what are some of your personal beauty must have

982
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 5: for daily skincare ritual? I mean you don't have to

983
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 5: get product names, but like what are what are we

984
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: looking for? Because you can get lost for it.

985
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: When you asked a while ago, like what was the

986
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: most impactful, I actually had two answers. So one is

987
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: the eyes too is a good skincare routine. It really

988
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: is the most impressive, actful long term. So I love

989
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: alpha arbuden. I love a g O which is alpha oligosaccharride.

990
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: It it's a type of prebiotic on the skin that

991
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: actually I have right here. It's called the acid buff

992
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: It's a once a week peel. And this is from

993
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: the things we do. It's actually something that's working on

994
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: formulating the past five years and it's finally out. It

995
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: just launched, so that before that I was using doctor

996
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: Dennis Gross peels and it changes. As someone who has rosetia,

997
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 3: I do have roseatia. Thanks Dad. It just was too

998
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: strong for me. So it was great for body like

999
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 3: I used it on like elbows, my under arms. I

1000
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: used it on like certain areas like you know, like

1001
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 3: my knees, but it wasn't the back of my arms

1002
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: for KP. But it wasn't great for my face. It's

1003
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: it's awesome for people who don't react strongly to things.

1004
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: But I deal with redness, with puffiness, with breakouts, all

1005
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: of that stuff. So this is a peal that's very effective.

1006
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: After one use, you see a major difference, Like the

1007
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: next morning you'll see a difference. But it's because the

1008
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: oligo saccharide, it binds water to your skin, so it's

1009
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: that helped take It basically dissolves the glue that's holding

1010
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: all your dead skin together, but it also binds water

1011
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: to your tissues at the same time, so you wake

1012
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: up smoother and you look more hydrated.

1013
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 4: Could I like burn my my faith? Like I worry?

1014
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: This is me because I'm a warrior.

1015
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: I have anxiety. Right then I'm gonna put it on

1016
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: my face. Is gonna just like fry off? Could I?

1017
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: Because I have sensitive skin?

1018
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: Right?

1019
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 4: So can I?

1020
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: This one that you just said from the things we do,

1021
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: is there's some way to get up.

1022
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: Basically, yes, if on the box it says to use

1023
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: two to three times a week. One of our one

1024
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 3: of our patient coordinators are actually one of our managers.

1025
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: She was like, I just love it so much. I

1026
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 3: use it every night, And I was like.

1027
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: Alex, don't you got to stop.

1028
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: It's great right now, but your skin can only take

1029
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: so much because there are actives in it. So I

1030
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: would say, if you use it for like three weeks straight,

1031
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: every single night and don't listen to the instructions on

1032
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: the box, yes.

1033
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: Follow the instructions. Yeah.

1034
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 5: What's your best take on poor size minimizing por size?

1035
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

1036
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: I want to know.

1037
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: People who say you can't minimize poor size are ignorant,

1038
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: you guys.

1039
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 2: So how do you do it?

1040
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: You have to reduce your oil content. So poor size

1041
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: is dependent on two things genetic factors. So if you're

1042
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: naturally very very oily, you're always going to have larger pores.

1043
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: Dry people have zero pores right Seemingly the pores are there,

1044
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: but they're like because they're not holding oil. So if

1045
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: these people look seamlessly, I mean, they don't have breakouts,

1046
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: they deal with dryness, and they age so much faster

1047
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: in comparison to someone who has oily skin. So you

1048
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: have to reduce oil. And here's my trick for that.

1049
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: It's not so much a product. I wish it was,

1050
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: but it's skin talks. If you use botox intradermally instead

1051
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 3: of using it in the muscle, you don't lose any

1052
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: movement of the face, but you're reducing the oil production.

1053
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: Just we injected in the under arms for hyperhydrosis. You

1054
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: can stamp it with a micro needling stamp like this

1055
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: one right now. Yeah, you come in office and we

1056
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: stamped the botox mixed with glutothion for some skin brightening.

1057
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: We stamp it all over the face and you have

1058
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: a reduction of poor size because the botox is acting

1059
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: on the sea bum glands. And then your skin looks

1060
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: like this glass skin that seems really unattainable.

1061
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, but hold on.

1062
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 5: But because maybe I have a different kind, so I

1063
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 5: find I do not have very oily skin.

1064
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: I would say that.

1065
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 5: Camilla, if you're noticing a cheek thing, I'm noticing like

1066
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 5: a texture thing, and I find that it's the por

1067
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 5: size like I see.

1068
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: But it's not.

1069
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like it's because I'm oily, Like I

1070
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't even know that I could reduce

1071
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 5: the oil in it.

1072
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not dry by the way. I've always in

1073
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: sort of combo.

1074
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 5: But I do find that whether it's on my nose

1075
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 5: and on either side, like right there and then a

1076
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 5: bit on my chin, your tea zone that sounds like good, say,

1077
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 5: but I'm not oily, Maybe you're combo.

1078
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 3: I definitely think you're combo. So when as you're talking

1079
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: about this, I'm.

1080
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: Like, she knows which is yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, just.

1081
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: Underneath her eyes, which part of the T zone where

1082
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 3: people are prone to getting milia because you have larger

1083
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: sabaceous glands in areas, so you don't have to be oily,

1084
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: but you can have an area of the face that

1085
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: produces just a little bit more because if you weren't

1086
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: oily all over, you could just have larger pores all over.

1087
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 3: And we know people with that skin type as well,

1088
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: they're preserved forever, by the way, like my dad had

1089
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 3: super oily skin and he looked amazing even at age eighty.

1090
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 3: But if it's only in one portion of the face,

1091
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: it's probably because you produce more oils in that area,

1092
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: so I would do the peel in that T zone.

1093
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: So combination skin. I like to call this skin zoning

1094
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: where you're like hydrating certain areas, but you know, like

1095
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: taking away certain areas where you wouldn't do that for

1096
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: the cheeks because there's not the same oil activity there,

1097
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: but you need to do that for the T zone.

1098
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: I also really really love and it's so funny because

1099
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: aad just happened. It's a huge dermatology conference and a

1100
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 3: bunch of different like skincare companies have been like going

1101
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: up to different dermatologists and being like what's the skin

1102
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: or like what skin trend do you hate? Or what

1103
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: should be throughout the window, And a lot of people

1104
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: were like Toners Toners, and in Korea everything is about

1105
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 3: Toner's and sens in hydrators. I personally love Toner's essences

1106
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: and skin hydrators because I think so many people think

1107
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: that they don't do very much because they don't feel

1108
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: like a serum. You don't notice like difference right away.

1109
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Oil content and hydration content water

1110
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: content in skin is very different, right, Like you can

1111
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: be very oily and super dehydrated. Your water content is

1112
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: low if most people deal with dehydrated skin, especially here

1113
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles in southern California, we are so dry

1114
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: that may So I had my makeup done in Korea

1115
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: and I had a little like Korean style headshots, which

1116
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: I just thought was so cute to do and try out.

1117
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: The makeup artists put three layers of moisturizer on my skin.

1118
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: It took longer to prep my skin than the actual

1119
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 3: makeup application. And then with the foundation, she mixed moisturizer into.

1120
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: First she did a toning, and then she did the

1121
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 3: three layers of moisturizer, and then she put moisturizer into

1122
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 3: the foundation and then padded that on. And I was like,

1123
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: I've never looked better with makeup because everything is about skin.

1124
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: She wears color, and my skin was just radiating through everything.

1125
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 3: But they're big on skin flooding. So for instance, I

1126
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: have here fla skin. It's a rice enzyme toner. It

1127
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: hydrates the skin. So my mom, when I was younger,

1128
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: she would say, wash the rice, prepare the rice, and

1129
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: then and put it so that we can put it

1130
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: on our skin later. Put it in like a little

1131
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 3: you know, like.

1132
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: I've heard this, I've heard I've never heard this. It's

1133
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: kind of like the sk too, isn't that kind of

1134
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: based on Yes.

1135
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 3: Yes, so rice enzyme is really great for reducing redness

1136
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: for skin toning. When I say toning that in Korea,

1137
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 3: toning is tightening so the skin, but it's still hydrating

1138
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: your skin at the same time. The reason why it

1139
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 3: feels tighter is because it's plump, because it's retaining more water.

1140
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: It's true, you have to take care of your skin.

1141
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: It's like it's actually the best.

1142
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 5: Uh, it's the best kind of it's the best non

1143
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: makeup makeup. Okay, question is it true that beef talo

1144
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 5: is good for your face?

1145
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: You know, I only like to speak on things that

1146
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 3: I've tested myself, and I've done research and there's clinical

1147
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: studies and all of that. I haven't I don't know

1148
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 3: enough about the beef tallow But I also will not

1149
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: knock it because there are some very simple things that

1150
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 3: we have just written off in esthetics and skincare and beauty,

1151
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden people give it a chance

1152
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: and then it's like whoa that was, Like, yeah, it's basic.

1153
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: Like for instance, vaseline and aquafor you know where. It

1154
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: was like for years and years, no one would be

1155
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 3: putting it on their face, and then all of a sudden,

1156
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: one TikTok takes off and everyone's slugging. And I do

1157
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: it too. I use aquafor once a week and do

1158
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: like a nice slug over all over my entire face.

1159
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 3: As one was combination skin. Now I've graduated to also

1160
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: using baby rash cream, diaper cream, pure zinc to just

1161
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 3: like reduce the redness. It's healing, it's protective for the skin.

1162
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: So I will say this, maybe beef twel might be great.

1163
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: I haven't tested it yet, but I have write it

1164
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: off just because it's so simple.

1165
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 4: Okay, by the way, you're.

1166
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: Still using the Aqua four, so but if I'm trying

1167
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 5: to make my poor smaller, am I using aquaform?

1168
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 4: You just do it on your cheeks, right, You just

1169
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 4: avoid the T zone.

1170
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: I don't put it in my T zone, but I

1171
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: put it all over my cheeks, all over my forehead,

1172
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: which forehead is part of T zone. But that's not

1173
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: an issue for me. It's my nose and it's definitely

1174
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: under my eyes. I've made videos of it of I

1175
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: don't place it there.

1176
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 5: Uh huh, okay, what about the salmon DNA? Oh yeah,

1177
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 5: I've even heard salmon's sperm DNA.

1178
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: It is salmon sperm DNA. When you hear DNA, it's

1179
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: always the sperm.

1180
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: What I just find that it?

1181
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know about that.

1182
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: What's sperm on my face?

1183
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 3: Well, i'll do anything for you know, I will say

1184
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: that I don't love the storytelling.

1185
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 4: So did we get here?

1186
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: But when I went to Korea, I had a full

1187
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: I had two very deep skin analysis. Like we talked

1188
00:56:59,040 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: about that.

1189
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: You're say you had a false sperm face, but go ahead. Yeah,

1190
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: I went full sperm in Korea.

1191
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: Talking to the doctor and well, both offices told me.

1192
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: I was like, it's interesting you didn't offer me to

1193
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: get you know, this the salmon DNA. And they were like,

1194
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: we don't really Koreans don't really do that. You Westerners

1195
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 3: are obsessed with it because you just have discovered it,

1196
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: but you don't really And I was like why And

1197
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: that also is a biostimulator. You should know that, so

1198
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: it biostimulates your own okay. And I was like why

1199
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 3: why don't you And they were like, well, it's so

1200
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: incredibly painful, and you have to do it one month

1201
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: for the first three months. You know, it's like injections

1202
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: all over the face once a month for the first

1203
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: three months, and then every other month for the next

1204
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: three months after that to see something really show up

1205
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: in your skin. And then from there you're good for

1206
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: a round a year and you do the whole thing

1207
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: over again. And for how painful it is and how

1208
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: expensive it is, we don't really like it as Koreans.

1209
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: There're so many other things are more impactful.

1210
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I want to know a trend that you think is

1211
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: happening right now in the beauty industry that you do hate,

1212
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: but you're like something that I.

1213
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: Hate in the world of aesthetics right now, baby everything.

1214
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: So this whole idea of like baby botox, I've spoken

1215
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: on this a couple of times on my page baby Botox,

1216
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: baby sculpture, baby, all of that stuff that's just for

1217
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: you to make you feel better about things like the

1218
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: coming back from Korea. I mean, first of all, you're

1219
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: going to die. Master Botox is five dollars over there.

1220
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 3: Full Master botox. You can get full face botox forehead

1221
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: all the way down to your neck, like one hundred

1222
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: something units for like sixty to eighty dollars. It's like

1223
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: ridiculous because they have so many different types of normals.

1224
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: We're limited to just a few here in the and

1225
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: so they just like dominate pricing, right, so it's way

1226
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: more expensive here. But like the talk of like patients

1227
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: being like, oh, my last provider told me that I

1228
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: just do baby botox, and I was like, okay, great,

1229
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: let's go ahead and have your chart sent over. I

1230
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: want to teck out how many units you had. And

1231
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: they're standard dosing botox, you know what I mean. But

1232
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: she her provider had probably told her, oh, they're just

1233
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: baby units to make her feel better, you know, the

1234
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: psychology of things. What I think, as providers, we need

1235
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: to stop trying to like trick our patients into things

1236
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: and just educate and be like, hey, listen, when you

1237
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: go to neurologists, if you have migraines and you get

1238
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 3: a botox treatment clinically for that, you're getting around two

1239
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 3: hundred fifty to four hundred fifty units. If I'm using

1240
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: forty units for you to just smooth some fine lines

1241
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: and to lift the brows a little bit, it seems

1242
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: very small in comparison to that, and it's very safe. Also,

1243
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: instead of being like, yeah, you should do it, it's baby,

1244
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: it's special for you, but you know your other friend

1245
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 3: does like full dosing, and we're creating the entire you know,

1246
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: I feel like it's like smoke and mirrors really, so

1247
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 3: I just get what's right for you or what you

1248
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: need to get provider. If your provider is talking to

1249
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: you in these very like elusive, you know, strange terms,

1250
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: how's really happened. If your provider is talking to you

1251
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: in these like elusive, strange terms and it's not getting

1252
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: to like the you know, the meat and bones of

1253
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: what you should be educated on. I think you should run.

1254
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: I think you should you know, it's like a weekend

1255
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: facelift or like nothing is quick and easy when it

1256
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: comes to this stuff. I think all of this stuff

1257
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: is medicine. It's the softer side of medicine, but it's

1258
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 3: still medicine. So there is a little bit of downtime.

1259
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: You should be educated, you should have you know, you

1260
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: should know the risks, you should know all of those things,

1261
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: and your provider should be upfront with you. So really

1262
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: that's on the provider end of things like let's be

1263
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: with patients. Let's let's be more transparent.

1264
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask one last question. I saw

1265
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: a video where a guy said he was an injectron.

1266
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: He said, you have to pick between either doing your

1267
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: whole forehead but knowing that your brows will lower, or

1268
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: picking just like this part of your forehead and then

1269
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: keeping your brows. So what if you wanted to like

1270
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: treat your fine lines here, but you don't want your

1271
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: brow to drop, and then you don't want it raised

1272
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: too much? Is there a way to inject the forehead

1273
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: without like touch the brows moving.

1274
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 3: There is, And the difference is you're not going by

1275
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: these standard old school ways and techniques of injecting botox.

1276
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 3: It's a much more sophisticated and much more customized treatment.

1277
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: Which is why internally at the things we do, we

1278
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: have trainings every six to eight weeks. We have internal

1279
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 3: conference every six weeks where we talk about the latest

1280
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 3: clinical studies, the latest trends, what to stay away from,

1281
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 3: what's dangerous, what's safe, all of that stuff. And then

1282
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: we have a hands on training every eight weeks because

1283
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 3: we need to refresh, we need to keep up with

1284
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 3: our skills. Who's a trainer from outside of the company

1285
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: we want to learn from. If you're not constantly pushing

1286
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: yourself righter, you get stuck in these little weird bubbles.

1287
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: If you can't do this, you have to do this.

1288
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: Got a lot of things outside of that. As someone

1289
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: who has naturally hooded lids, I'm I have been dropped

1290
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 3: before with my brows because I wanted smoothness in my forehead.

1291
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: Now I have smoothness in my forehead, as you guys

1292
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Speaker 3: can see, and I can also lift my brows and

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Speaker 3: move like a normal human. But I'm not sacrificing the line.

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Speaker 3: So you absolutely don't have to choose.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love this. Okay, we do have to let

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Speaker 1: you go. I know I could talk to you for hours.

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Speaker 1: This could be our longest podcast ever.

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Speaker 2: You're no, we're going to sideline this. We're going to

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Speaker 2: find you. Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: We are?

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Speaker 2: We are talking later.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we have to come in and I want to

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 5: know all the things because I do. I mean, for

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Speaker 5: those that really are obsessed like me. When I listen

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Speaker 5: back to this, I'm going to rewind and listen and

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Speaker 5: write down exactly I missed a couple of those key words.

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Speaker 5: But I think that you know, you're looking for those

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Speaker 5: words and those ingredients when you're going into wherever you

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Speaker 5: get things is really important, and it's so it's so

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Speaker 5: incredible to have someone as knowledgeable as you to sort.

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Speaker 2: Of shepherd us through this process.

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Speaker 5: So yes, I'm coming in person, and I'm going to

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Speaker 5: see everything and I'm going to hear everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank for having me. I'm here for

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Speaker 3: you guys. Okay, any questions, I'm all yours.

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Speaker 2: Okay, amazing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Vanessa, thank you, Okay, bye now

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Speaker 3: bye bye.

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Speaker 4: Dude, I'm obsessed with her.

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Speaker 2: I know you. I mean it's cause you got to

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: make questions. There's so many questions.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even I could this could have

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Speaker 4: been a two hour podcast for me. She's so knowledgeable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just ultimately not as I'm not so brave.

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Speaker 5: It's really like, I just think you have to find

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Speaker 5: someone that you trust, you know, and if you're looking

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Speaker 5: at their work on Instagram or whatever. I guess if

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Speaker 5: you went if you went to someone who you saw

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Speaker 5: their work beforehand, I think.

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Speaker 2: That's the trick, right, and then you can just be

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Speaker 2: a little braver. But I get scared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. But listen, I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: in a couple of years. I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: so scared when I look at the mirror and I and.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, it's time. I'll get real brave,

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Speaker 4: real see.

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Speaker 2: But that's how I feel. I have not like you

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01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: don't already know this. I'll do all the things that

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Speaker 2: you tell me to do with skincare.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not so afraid of lasers.

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 2: Like I'm not afraid of like afraid of laser.

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Speaker 5: I love the photo facials and the sun damage going

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Speaker 5: away and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, oh, I don't know surgery.

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Speaker 4: Talk about words, Well, this isn't surgery. This is what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: That's why maybe you do this so you don't have search.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I believe her that, Like the there's so many

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Speaker 1: the people in our industry that were like god, they just.

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Speaker 4: They just looks so great.

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Speaker 1: I know they're going to hurt, you know, they're getting

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Speaker 1: all the things, and here I am sat on the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: you know, being like I want to just be like

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Speaker 1: them in age gracefully, and I'm you know, melting.

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Speaker 5: Faces, sliding down, sliding down my face.

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Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. I have a love hate

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Speaker 2: relationship with that.

1359
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Speaker 5: Is to to you know that I have a love

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Speaker 5: hate relationship with that, because I feel like there's part

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Speaker 5: of me that actually doesn't want to know what people

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Speaker 5: have done. I want to believe that there's this you know, illusion,

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Speaker 5: and then.

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Speaker 2: Part of me wants to know everything.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to know all the things we have

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Speaker 1: to have her back on at some point. If you

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Speaker 1: guys loved her like I do, and you have more questions,

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: please send them because we can do. This can be

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Speaker 1: our mold stable episode situation where we can keep coming

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Speaker 1: back and asking Vanessa all the things. So let's call

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Speaker 1: it the end of the episode.