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Paul Battura has written a book about these 26 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 2: individuals who were adopted and went on to change the world. 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: The book is called Chosen for Greatness, How Adoption Changes 28 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: the World. Paul, I ask everyone this, but in your 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: case in particular, why I write this book? 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: Hi, Michael, Well know it's a topic that's near and 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: dear to my heart. I'm an adoptive dad. We have 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: three three boys there are eleven, six and four, and 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: I wanted to try and put together something that would 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: make a few points. Number one, life is the better choice. 35 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 3: There are so many parents out there, prospective parents wanting 36 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: to adopt. Over a million a year are waiting, and 37 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: you know there's unfortunately there's a way too high abortion rate. 38 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: Any number is too high, and what a great thing 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: to be able to match that birth mom with an 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: adoptive couple. And then you have the foster care system 41 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: which is overloaded with children, lots of kids looking for 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: forever home and just trying to celebrate those adoptions that 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: have happened, and to make the point that, look, there 44 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: is an amazing amount of potential out there. If you 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: are have a heart that's open to taking a child in, 46 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: you could be raising the next president of the United States, 47 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: the next great inventor. And that's that's sort of what 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: was the inspiration for the project. 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: The founder of Apple computers, and on and on, and 50 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: we'll talk about some of those stories. One of the 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: greatest home run hitters of all time. You know, I 52 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: think it's part and parcel of the same argument. If 53 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: you're going to be we should all be for adoption, 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: and we should all seek to find ways to put 55 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: more children in foster homes with loving parents because the 56 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: child didn't choose to be there. But especially if you're 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: going to say your pro life, I think this is 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: part of it's the next phase, because an unplanned pregnancy 59 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: is going to provide a child, and if we somebody's 60 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: got to step up and take. 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: Care of that, I think that's exactly right. And you know, 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: we often talk in the pro life movement about you know, 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: encouraging the birth mom to keep the baby, meaning to 64 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: carry the baby to term, which is ann i mentally 65 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: important thing, but then what do you do next? If 66 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: she's a single mom who does not have the means 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: and it's in a rough situation, what a loving thing 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: to do. It's a very sacrificial thing to do. But 69 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: I think we should encourage it wherever we can, and 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: you know, obviously rather than just talk about it, if 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: you feel that you have the capacity wherewithal you know, 72 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: there's a lot of different levels of this that you 73 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: can get involved in, like you alluded to, you could 74 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: obviously adopt, you could foster, you could provide respite care, 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: you could you know, work at a clinic, encourage moms. 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: There's a lot you can do. But you're right, it's 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: job number one is if you're pro life, you need 78 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: to be pro adoption. And I think everyone can agree 79 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: that a child deserves a mom and a dad. 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: Agreed you were talking. I thought you were going to 81 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: go into it. 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: But there's a group here in Houston called Depelching Center 83 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: and they do. They've won national awards to do wonderful 84 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: work for folks out there who have considered adopting or 85 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: being a foster parent. 86 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: And it's a wonderful organization. 87 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: But are there some organizations across the country that you've 88 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: seen that you think are doing good work in this field. 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: Well, I do you know? There are so many great 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: adoption agencies that work in both you know, infant placement 91 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: and then foster care. The one that I'm real familiar 92 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: with would be Bethany Christian Services. We use them for 93 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: our middle guy, and they're wonderful, and you know, they're 94 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: based in Michigan, but they have offices all over the country. 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: But you know, if you look in your own area, 96 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: there's going to be an agency. There's going to be 97 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: you know, the people who are devoted to this issue, 98 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: who have the kids interest at heart, and we'll work 99 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: with you and will you know, in essence to create 100 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: the best scenario for you. They want you to succeed. 101 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: They're not just looking to plug a child into just 102 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: any place. They want to find the right fit. And 103 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: so there are going to be children who, you know, 104 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: middle aged children who are going to do better in 105 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 3: certain homes than others. But I really, I really applaud 106 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: anyone in that industry. 107 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: Paul Batura is the author of Chosen for Greatness, How 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: Adoption Changes the World. Let's get into some of these 109 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: sixteen people who you studied. The first is as an 110 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: Apple computer user, I mean an a as an Eye 111 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: product user. 112 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs. 113 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve is such a fascinating story, Michael. He almost 114 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: didn't go to the family. He went to with a 115 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: family that he was originally chosen to go to turn 116 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: down placement when they found out he was a girl 117 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: a boy. They wanted a girl, and so they kind 118 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 3: of scrambled at the last minute and wound up matching 119 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: him with Paul and Clara Jobs. As I say, who 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: just quote happened to live in Silicon Valley. His father 121 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: was a mechanic and was a real craftsman of sorts 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: and had a workshop in his garage. And what this 123 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: is just, you know, the first example of many where 124 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: children are placed with the right families and they're given 125 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: the best opportunity to succeed because those those parents bring 126 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: out the best in the child. 127 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 4: You know. 128 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 3: Steve grew up in a neighborhood full of tech people, 129 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: a couple streets over where HP executives lived. He got 130 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: to intern there. 131 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 4: You know. 132 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: He said his father loved to work on cars. He said, well, 133 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: I didn't really love to work on cars, but I 134 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 3: love to be with my dad, and just working alongside him. 135 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: He became infatuated with his father's passion for his design. 136 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: And his father used to say, you know, when you 137 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: design something, even if someone doesn't see it, there's value 138 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: to making good designs. So if you know, you open 139 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: up an Apple computer, it looks quite beautiful. But it's 140 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: because his father taught him, you know that every little 141 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: detail matters, and you know, that's that's the environments that 142 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: he grew up in. And I find that just fascinating 143 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: how God places certain people in certain situations. And I 144 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: think that's why we have, you know, we were able 145 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: to enjoy Steve Jobs's inventions. 146 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: I think that's what drove him so hard. 147 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: Paul, I have one minute left in this segment, but 148 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to get you to tell the story of 149 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: when Steve Jobs, the little girl across the street learns 150 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: that he's adopted, and how he responded to that. 151 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that was a painful moment for him, but 152 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: it was handled well by his parents. The child said 153 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: to him, oh, is that because someone didn't want you? 154 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: And you know, he took that very painfully and ran 155 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: into his parents, and his parents did the thing, the 156 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: exact thing they should do. And they wrapped their arms 157 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: around him and they said, oh, no, you know, we 158 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: chose you. And it said it filled him with such 159 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: love and such affirmation that later in life he said, 160 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to meet my birth mom to 161 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: thank her one for you know, obviously choosing this family, 162 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: but most of all for not borting me. 163 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were my parents one thousand percent. 164 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: That's what he told Walter Isaacson. 165 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: The book is Chosen for Greatness, How Adoption Changes the World. 166 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: The author is Paul Butua. 167 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: It's our adoption special the Michael Barry Show, Michael Berry. 168 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: The book is called Chosen for Greatness, How Adoption Changes 169 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: the World. The author is Paul Butura. It's our annual 170 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: adoption special. We were going through the sixteen lives you 171 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: profile in the book. Nancy Reagan's steps out or jumps 172 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: out as someone who having been adopted changed her life. 173 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, her story is one for the book for sure. 174 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: And you know everyone knows that name. Most people wouldn't 175 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: know the name Anne Robins, but that's who she was 176 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: when she was born. She was born to a couple 177 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: in Queens, New York. They had marriage troubles from the beginning. 178 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: They just actually separated before she was even born, and 179 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: she was sent to live with an aunt in Bethesda, Maryland, 180 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: where she spent the first six or so years of 181 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: her life, and she wound up eventually getting reunited with 182 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 3: her mom, her birth mom in Chicago. But this is 183 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: where the story kind of makes an interesting faithful turn. 184 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: She wound up reuniting with her mom because her mom remarried, 185 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: and her mom remarried a doctor, a guy by the 186 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: name of Loyal Davis, who was a prominent neuroservant in 187 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: Chicago area. It is a good name, isn't it. And 188 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: she was excited to have a dad again, and she 189 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: wanted to take his name because she was still Robbins 190 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: because her biological father was still living. But she got 191 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: permission from her biological father and he relinquished rights and 192 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: her adoptive father adopt adopted her. And what is so fascinating, Michael, 193 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 3: is that when she moved to California after graduating from 194 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: high school, you know, she had her new name. She 195 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 3: was now Nancy Davis. Nancy was her nickname, but there 196 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: and she was trying to pursue a career in acting. Well, 197 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: there was another Nancy Davis in California, who was on 198 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: a communist sympathizer list, and she couldn't get work because 199 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: of this, this black mark on the name. They said, well, 200 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: you need to talk to the president of the Screen 201 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: Actors Guild. And I think all of us know who 202 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: that was. That was Ronald Reagan. And the point I 203 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: tried to make trying to connect the dots is that, look, 204 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: if she had not been adopted, had she not changed 205 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: her name, she wouldn't have had real excuse reason to 206 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: meet with Governor Or Ronald Reagan. And if she had 207 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: not met him, a lot of people I think, and 208 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: I think this is where I would agree with this. 209 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 3: He wouldn't have become governor and she wouldn't and he 210 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: wouldn't have run for president. I mean, that was the 211 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: impact she had on him. So you know, in essence, 212 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: if you love Ronald Reagan, if you appreciated him as 213 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: a president, you would you know, a lot of that 214 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 3: is attributed to the fact that Nancy Reagan was adopted. 215 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it feels like a lot of connections, but 216 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 3: I think it's it's quite true. 217 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Well, it also it also showed how many I've had 218 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: friends who were going through difficult times and things weren't 219 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: ending up the way they had mapped it out in 220 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: their mind. And I've just said life is not as 221 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: storybooks as we'd believe, and that's all around us. There 222 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: are people that if you'd caught them at any point 223 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 2: in their lives, things were not going well, but people 224 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: stepped in and it worked itself out. Another one you 225 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: profile as Faith Hill. I thought that was a good story. 226 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Faith Hill was born Audrey Perry, and she was 227 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: adopted by a couple and ed birth and they had 228 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: such an impact on her throughout the course of her 229 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 3: growing up, like any parent would, but they really made 230 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: a point to try and identify her gifts and her 231 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: talents and really feed those. You know. Her adoption to 232 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: that family almost didn't happen either, because her mom and 233 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: dad had two biological children and were wanting a larger 234 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: family were unable to have one. But her mom convinced 235 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: her father to pursue adoption, so he relented and they 236 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: wound up adopting her. And you know, there are my 237 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: stones in her life, you know, from where she expressed 238 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: a desire to pursue music at a very young age. 239 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: She wanted to go to an Elvis Presley concert, and 240 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: they relented. They weren't so sure about it, but they 241 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: went with her, and she said, I fell in love 242 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: with the whole idea of performing that night. She had 243 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: a rebellious streak as a kid, and her parents, you know, 244 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: had very strong discipline kept her on the rails. And 245 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: then when she went and pursued a singing career in Nashville, 246 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: she hit a rough spot like most people do, and 247 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: she called home wanting to quit, and her mom said, look, 248 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: have you ever wanted to be anything else? And she 249 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: said no, And so her mom said, well, I suggest 250 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: you hang up the phone and get back to work. 251 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's good parenting led to her 252 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: her being able to become who she was, and you know, 253 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: she winds up eventually marrying Tim McGraw ironically, who was 254 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: also adopted, and you know they have a very very 255 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: happy twenty year marriage now. But again it all stemmed, 256 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: It really all turned for her, you know, because of 257 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: her adopted family. 258 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: When I was Paul Battura as our guest, the book 259 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: has chosen for greatness how adoption changes the world. When 260 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: I was a kid, the two things I read about 261 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: were Texas history and sports biographies, and one of the 262 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: best was on The Babe, and that's probably where I 263 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: was first introduced to the idea of adoption and his 264 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: childhood and you know, you could call it imperfect or 265 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: as unplanned as they get. And here's a guy who 266 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: turned out, you know, is a great story. But could 267 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: you talk about that? 268 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, the Babe is a larger than life figure. 269 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: I'm with you. I loved reading those sports biographies as 270 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: a kid, and The Babe was at the top. 271 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Of the list. 272 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: He you know, came from Maryland. His biological parents were bartenders, 273 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: kept a saloon and he was kind of running apparently 274 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 3: roughshot of this in the streets and his parents just 275 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: kind of threw up their hands and gave up. We 276 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: know very little about his mother, so she was either 277 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: incapacitated or at least not present, and his father wound 278 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: up taking him to Saint Mary's Industrial School for Boys. 279 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: And on the submission forum when he relinquished him, he 280 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: said he was incorrigible and vicious, which is hard to believe. 281 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: You problem exactly, and it was those monks, that Catholic 282 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: order that really not only taught him the difference between 283 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: right and wrong, not only gave him, you know, a 284 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: disciplined life in the sense of, you know, they all 285 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: had jobs and they all had responsibilities. He became a 286 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: fantastic shirt maker. And but brother Matthias and brother Gilbert 287 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: taught him how to play baseball. And so they channeled 288 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: that you know, personality into you know, a fine ballplayer 289 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: and introduced him to an agent. He got, you know, 290 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: signed for two hundred and fifty dollars, which was a 291 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 3: fortune for him. He bought a bicycle with his first paycheck. 292 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: But the Babes. What I love about the Babes story, Michael, 293 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: you kind of allude to this is that he was 294 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: such an imperfect person, just like you and me. He 295 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: but you know, he lived his all his imperfections on 296 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: his sleeve. You know, he did everything in excess. But 297 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: it was really that beginning of his life, that adoption 298 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: into that school, that gave him, you know, the tools 299 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: that he needed to make it. I mean, he had. 300 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: We can't know what the alternative would have been, and 301 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been as good. You can be sure 302 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: that I'm going to cut you off, Paul, Paul Batura 303 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: is the author of this book, Chosen for Greatness, How 304 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: Adoption Changes the World. You've got a minute, fifty seconds. 305 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure you got to what you 306 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: call the ultimate adoption story and could tell that. 307 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, and sure I couldn't think of doing 308 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: this book without pointing to the creator, and that is 309 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: you know, most people probably don't necessarily think of Jesus 310 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: as an adopted child, but he was. His father was Joseph, 311 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: who was visited by an angel and told you will 312 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: be the father of this child. He's not biological to you, 313 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: but you know, declaring you to be his dad, And 314 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: as an adoptive father, I can kind of relate to that. 315 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: You know, Joseph didn't look any differently upon Jesus. He 316 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: accepted him as his son and raised him. We don't 317 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: know much about Joseph beyond the fact that he said 318 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: yes and he was responsive to the angel's call. But 319 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: what I found to be so fascinating with the parallels 320 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: with Jesus's story and adoption in general, is that, you know, 321 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: we often see Christmas and the Christmas story as this 322 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: idellic courier and ives kind of moment and it was 323 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: in a sense that scripture tells us it was a 324 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: beautiful night and angels sang and shepherd's you know, came 325 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: to the stable. But the reality was that there was 326 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: a lot of dysfunction going on. I mean, people wanted 327 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: that baby to be killed and they had to sleep, 328 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: you know, and escape it. And I thought, isn't that 329 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: a little bit like adoption? That it is gritty, it 330 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: is imperfect. There is not going to be the hallmark 331 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: hall the same moment, but in the end, there is 332 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: God's sovereignty directing the affairs of menical Michael. 333 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: Very Good, Karen Wright Zara. I have always been pro adoption. 334 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: My parents adopted four children while living and working in Madrid, Spain, 335 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: for Brown and Root back in the fifties. They were 336 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: married for over ten years before they started adopting. They'd 337 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: lived all over the world and were living in Spain. 338 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: Of course, like typical parents, they wanted a baby and 339 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: adopted a nine year old girl and a four year 340 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: old boy. Then two years later they decided the girl 341 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: needed a sister and the boy needed a brother. They 342 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 2: adopted another girl, which was me and my brother Gavin. 343 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: My parents said that adopting was like eating peanuts. They 344 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: just couldn't stop lol. For eleven days out of the year. 345 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: Three of us are the exact same age that used 346 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: to freak out our friends and teachers. They could never 347 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: ever figure that equation out. They would wonder if mother 348 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: was in labor for eleven days between us, but. 349 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: No one ever thought of adoption. 350 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: We used to get asked about our bio parents a 351 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: lot from our friends growing up, but I never gave 352 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: them a second thought because I always thought that it 353 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: must have been very difficult to give up your child, 354 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: especially from a Catholic country like Spain. 355 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: People would ask me, don't you want to know if 356 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: you look like them? 357 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 2: And I would think, what relevance does it have on 358 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: life's meaning if I look like someone? My mother was 359 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: always much more curious than I was. I always thought 360 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: of mother and father as mother and father and nothing else. 361 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 2: We went on to live all over the world because 362 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: of my father's profession with Brown and Root, and eventually 363 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: lived in Houston, Texas because Brown and Root is home 364 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: to Halliburton slash KBR. I'm an enormous fan of your 365 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: show and have been forever. Your children are aging us. 366 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: Keep up the great work, and I love your sense 367 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: of you and we're so sorry for your loss of 368 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: your mother. Let us pray that next year is a 369 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: better year for y'all. For all, I wish you continued 370 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: success in your business and pleasant personal progress. Karen, my 371 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: birth name was Maria Dolores Puente Pila. My parents changed 372 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: all of our names upon adoption. What a great story. Gosh, 373 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 2: thank you for sharing that. That's uh, that's solid, that's solid. 374 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: You know. One of the areas of adoption we try 375 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: to hit them all is folks that adopt not because 376 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: they need a child, but because they have a loved 377 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: one who gets sent to prison, who dies, who whatever, 378 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: and they step in and take over these that child. 379 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: And in this case, a couple uprooted their entire life 380 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: to adopt their niece's five kids. 381 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: This is this is what it's all about. This is beautiful. 382 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 5: It feels really good to have them out that actually 383 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 5: cares and gets some clothes. 384 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: They just absorb it. 385 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 6: I sometimes I have three and four of the kids 386 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 6: on my lap. They're like wanting a whole rock with me, 387 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 6: or give me a hugs, or used to having a 388 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 6: lot because we have a lot of our own kids 389 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 6: and grandkids, and this will make us have seventeen kids. 390 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: We're all fool brides. We don't have to go and 391 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: fill out. 392 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 6: All these different last names on you know, we can 393 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 6: all just be under the same last name. 394 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: They're all very proud to be a fool bright. 395 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 5: My mom was like shouldly for days at a time 396 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 5: with not being home and likes and I don't know 397 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 5: my dad. He lives in Mexico, so it's really nice 398 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 5: having a diet. 399 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: To spent time with. 400 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: So earlier we played you the little girl writing the letter, 401 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: which was her gift to her stepdad that she wanted 402 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: him to adopt her, and he just lost it. Now 403 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: we have the reverse. A ten year old girl sobs 404 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: when she finds out that she's being adopted on her birthday. 405 00:20:46,000 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to be adopted, will always be okay. You're 406 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: all there for secret too. 407 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: I remember when Michelle Bachmann was in Congress and she 408 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: and her husband had fostered a lot of kids over use. 409 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: It was over thirty and they were described as being 410 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: weirdoh's for that, And I thought all these people saying 411 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: that would never take a child into their home. 412 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: They're not stealing these children. 413 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: These these children have nowhere to go, and they're opening 414 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: their home to these children. You know why people make 415 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: fun of those kind of people because they're embarrassed that 416 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: they're not willing to do it. And that's fine, you 417 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: don't have to take a child into your home. But 418 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: why label someone as some sort of freak because they're 419 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: willing to do it again and again and again. You know, 420 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: you know why I do nice things for other people, 421 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: Not that I do it very often, but when I do, 422 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: not of them, but for me, makes me feel good. 423 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: It's a very selfish thing. I say this all the time. 424 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: The reason people keep fostering children or adopting children is 425 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: because it makes you feel good. 426 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: It fills a. 427 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: Hole inside that we all have. It fills a void. 428 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: And isn't that great that somebody can benefit by us 429 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: doing something that makes us feel better. Here's a couple 430 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: that had ten kids and adopted seven more. 431 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 5: It feels really good to have a mother that actually 432 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 5: cares and gets some clothes. 433 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 6: They just absorb it. They I sometimes I have three 434 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 6: and four of the kids on my lap. They're like 435 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 6: wanting a whole rock rock with me, or give me 436 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 6: a hugs or used to having a lot because we 437 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 6: have a lot of our own kids and grandkids, and 438 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 6: this will make us have seventeen kids. 439 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: We're all full brides. 440 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 6: We don't have to go and fill out all these 441 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 6: different listnings on you know, we can all just be 442 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 6: under the same last name. 443 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: And they're all very proud to be a full bride. 444 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: My mom, oh I did Ramono, says we played that already. Well, 445 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 2: I'm not at myself, and my grandmother will say, you're 446 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: not at yourself. I'm not at myself. You know, it's 447 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: a very emotional subject from me. Well, I made my point. 448 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: You know what my point was. This is the story 449 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: I meant to play earlier, which is the Clarks celebrating 450 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: their adoption of seven kids at once. I got to 451 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: I mean, who's who adopts seven kids at once? You know, 452 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: I get to get them confused. 453 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 7: Hello Facebook followers, we are on our way to the 454 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 7: courthouse in Springfield and we are going to be finalizing 455 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 7: today the adoption of our super seven. 456 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: Everybody say, Hi, what are we doing? 457 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 7: Who's getting adopted Super seven? 458 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 8: We are all super excited. They have been up since 459 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 8: six screaming and running around the house. But it's almost 460 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 8: ever praise Jesus, and we'll see you guys in a 461 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 8: few maps. 462 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: Man, there's a special place in heaven. 463 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: I tell you what, because I gotta tell you I 464 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: raising two kids. It's been by far the greatest joy 465 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 2: of my life. But it takes time and effort and energy. 466 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: And I'm told that once you have a bunch of 467 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: kids like that, you learn not to over obsess about things, 468 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: and you know, you just get better at it. 469 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, want something done, give it to a busy person. 470 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the Michael Barry Show. In the category of. 471 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: Cops are good people, A bad cop is the exception, 472 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: not the rule. Another story that was not highlighted in 473 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: President Trump's State of the Union. They can't all be 474 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: This story comes from Arizona and was on Good Evening Arizona. 475 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: A police officer adopted a little girl that he met 476 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 2: while responding to an abuse call. 477 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: This is pretty cool. 478 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 7: I had a lot of shot abuse cases and there's 479 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 7: always kids that I would bond with that I'd love 480 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 7: to take him out of bad situation, just bring him homes. 481 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 9: For Kingman Police officer Brian Zach and his wife Sierra 482 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 9: adopting their child, Kyla was fate. They were already considering fostering, 483 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 9: but when Brian met Kyla in twenty eighteen through one 484 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 9: of his cases, they formed a special bond. In just 485 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 9: a few hours, while waiting for DCS to show up. 486 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: We colored we We've watched recket Rael. 487 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: She loved record Rawe. 488 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 8: He shows up and he's like, I've got to hang 489 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 8: out with the cutest little cruel. 490 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: She was so awesome. 491 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 9: Since DCS couldn't find any family members willing to care 492 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 9: for Kyla, Ryan and Sierra first took her in as 493 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 9: a foster child before officially adopting her this summer. 494 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: She's happy and she's flourished. And when we got her 495 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: she knew three words. Basically, she grunted like a caveman 496 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: because she couldn't know how to talk. And now she 497 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: loves to talk. We got her into a charter school. 498 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 9: Katie Hernandez works at Arizona's Children Association, the agency which 499 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 9: helped Brian and Sierra through the adoption process. 500 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 6: Most foster currents say that it's one of the most 501 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 6: rewarded things. 502 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: That I can took cold. 503 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 9: Brian and Sierra are now planning to renew their foster 504 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 9: license and help more kids. 505 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 6: I would definitely encourage people to do it because there's. 506 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: So many kids and who need that. 507 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: So even if it's just for a small amount of time, 508 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: you can make such an impact. 509 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: We are going to close the show with a call 510 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: from a few years ago. I got to tell you 511 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: the story first. This guy's name is Chaos. That's what 512 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: he calls in under. He's from Harlem. He's a truck driver, 513 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: and he would call in and be very angry at me. 514 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: Might go, you're a racist, might go, hear this. But 515 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: he would keep calling, and we would keep talking to him, 516 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: and I would scold him, and I would. 517 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: Jab at him. 518 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: We would have some fun with it. But he called 519 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: on our adoption special one year and a lot of 520 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 2: people responded. It was like we'd kind of gotten through 521 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: to him. And so I'm going to finish the show 522 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: with that call and a call to you that says, 523 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 2: if it's on your heart to adopt, then do it. 524 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: If you're pregnant and can't handle it, seek. 525 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: An adoption agency. If you are adopted and have never 526 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: shared that, be proud. Be proud so that other people 527 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: will understand the impact adoption has on the entire world. 528 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: Take it to the break Chaos and Michael Barry show, 529 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: go ahead, caves. 530 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to let you know that for me, 531 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 4: that that adoption stuff was the foster kids, because I 532 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 4: was in both. For that, I was in fourth kid. 533 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 4: I was adopted. For me, it wasn't good. I'd rather 534 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 4: have been in the cup home, you know, because I 535 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 4: was like neglected and all that. I ain't care about. 536 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I ain't get this Christmas gifts and all that. 537 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 4: The streets raised me. You know, in the system, the 538 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 4: system was my was my parents, and the streets was 539 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 4: my dad. So you know, I at out the system. 540 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 4: I was on my own. So it was either the 541 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: shows to the army. You know. 542 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and I appreciate your story, but I'm 543 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: confused because you're speaking, uh in some sort of a vernacular. 544 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: Who at what home? What residents did you live at? 545 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: Who was the owner or occupant of that residence? 546 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 4: Who was the owner? Like I was? I was in 547 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: an apartment building. 548 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so in the in. 549 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: The bronx Okay, was was your mother or your father? 550 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: Or was it a foster home. 551 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: I was in? I was in forced a home. I 552 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: was I was in the group home. Then I was 553 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: in the foster homes. I was in fourth home, the 554 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 4: fourth of home, and I got adopted, you know, for money, 555 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 4: because I was classified as a problem chop. But you 556 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: get paid. 557 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: That's the money for that, right, Okay, So let's go 558 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: back at what age did you leave the home of 559 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: your mother? 560 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: Did you ever live with your mother? 561 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 4: I was six years old? Okay, so fixtures old in 562 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 4: the cops can got all right? 563 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: So you went from there to a foster home. Okay. 564 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: How long were you in that first foster home? 565 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 9: Three years? 566 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: All right? And then from there? 567 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 4: Then from there, I got kicked out of school because 568 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 4: I got suspended three times. So I went to another 569 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: foster home, and then I went. 570 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 3: To a group home. 571 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 4: The group home was the only person I felt like 572 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 4: I belonged. 573 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Okay, how how old were you when you went to 574 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: the group home? 575 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: Nine? 576 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: All right? And you stayed there how long? 577 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 4: Like a year? 578 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: And then from there you went back to a foster home. 579 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 580 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: Why do you feel like you belonged more at the 581 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 2: group home than in a foster home, Because in the group. 582 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 4: Home I was around people that you know that was 583 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: like the similar situations where I could relate to when 584 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 4: I was in the foster homes, I was like out 585 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 4: of place, Like everybody talking about oh this, you know, 586 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 4: they family and they talk about like how they grand 587 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 4: pans or whatever something, and I'm out of place, like 588 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: nobody could like tell me, like what's really going on 589 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 4: with me? And it was like that was like I 590 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 4: was a visitor or a stranger and someone else's home. 591 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 4: So you know what I mean, it wasn't And then 592 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 4: plus the people I was with, you know, they ain't 593 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 4: care about me anything like that. Like I wasn't getting 594 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 4: gift anything. I was neglected. I felt like a waste 595 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 4: of seeming. 596 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: Did you feel like you belonged at I mean, did 597 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: you feel like people cared about you at. 598 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: The group home? 599 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 4: I felt about I felt like it was it was 600 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 4: where I was supposed to be at. I mean, it 601 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 4: wasn't really like it was a couple of counselors that 602 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 4: I had liked, but it was it was more I'd 603 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 4: rather have that situation than they have people where they 604 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 4: pretend or they supposed to care about me, but they 605 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 4: really don't, you know, at least at least I know 606 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 4: what it is. I know what it is. Off top 607 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 4: when I'm in the group home, I know this is 608 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 4: this is where I'm at. You know, my real moms 609 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: or whatever seen handling business. So I got to handle 610 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 4: my own. 611 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: You know, are you grateful for the people who cared 612 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: for you? 613 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 4: No, my foster plan nine, I don't know. 614 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: They like they just did it for money. 615 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 4: I know they did it for money. They said it, 616 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 4: they said it they when I was seventeen, I was 617 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 4: about to turn eighteen. Oh, she told me, like, yo, 618 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: my chest is about to end. You have the possible 619 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 4: where to go straight up. So I had it like 620 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 4: I had to make moves, Like I said, it was 621 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 4: either the shelter on the army. You know, I mean 622 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: I picked the wrong de suits I should want to 623 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 4: shelter it. 624 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: Bless your heart. I have always said chaos, and I 625 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: don't mean that as an insult. Behind every angry young 626 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: man like you, there is the lack of love growing up. 627 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: And I'm not insulting you. That's not your fault. You 628 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: didn't choose that, but it's true. It is true. I 629 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: just hope I really do chaos. All kidding aside, I 630 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: will clown you all day to amuse people, but honest 631 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 2: to goodness. 632 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: I really mean this sincerely. 633 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: I pray for peace for you because I feel for 634 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: you that you did not have the love I had 635 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: as a child. And I will tell you your call and 636 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: nothing you just told me surprises me. 637 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: People that are around me will tell you. 638 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: I can pick out fact patterns of people and how 639 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: they grew up and what their experiences were. You know, 640 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: way it is uncanny because I study people. That's my expertise. 641 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 2: I'm not an engineer. I'm not a scientist. That is 642 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: my expertise. And I knew that about you already. I 643 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: knew it without ever knowing it, because it is written 644 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 2: all over everything you say. When you have conversations, they 645 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 2: go back to that angry young man that feels frustrated 646 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: nobody loved him, or the feeling that you had that 647 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: nobody loved you. I'm sure there were actually people there 648 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: who loved you and you didn't sense it, or you 649 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: put up a rough exterior, But I feel terrible for that. 650 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: I really do. I feel sad for you. Now. 651 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that you can make bad policies based on, 652 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: you know, lashing out from your experiences, but I do. Look, 653 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: I much rather be me than you chaos because I'm 654 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: a very happy person when I lay my head down 655 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: at night.