WEBVTT - More Like TrafiCAN: James Traficant

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Saren, Hey, Elizabeth, what's something my girl? Much?

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<v Speaker 1>Listen? You know it's ridiculous I do all right.

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<v Speaker 2>You like gambling, okay, the lottery?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine if you took your love of gambling and

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<v Speaker 2>you said like, hey, I'm going to start gambling like

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<v Speaker 2>Iheart's money, right, okay, right, yeah exactly. I thought you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like this, and then you like lost a bunch of it,

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty million of it, and then you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and did I say, You've been betting on FanDuel right,

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<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of Ihearts money on Fandel because you

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<v Speaker 2>love the sports. And then you're like, you know, betting,

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<v Speaker 2>and you lose twenty million cause you're not good at betting. No,

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<v Speaker 2>And then Iheart's like, yo, man, we noticed you spent

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<v Speaker 2>twenty million of our money and you're like, no, no, no, Fandel.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave it to Fandel. So then iHeart goes to

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<v Speaker 2>Fandel and goes, all right, give us back our money. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Fandal's like, no, it's a gambling site. What are you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. This happened to the Jacksonville Jaguars one of

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<v Speaker 2>their employees a Jacksonville Jaguar employee started gambling on like

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<v Speaker 2>company time, their money, and basically a mid level finance

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<v Speaker 2>manager managed to steal twenty two million dollars through a

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<v Speaker 2>virtual credit card system that the Jaguars used for their expenses.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is like you know, payroll and like expenses

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<v Speaker 2>and like vendors and stuff. So he's taking their money

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<v Speaker 2>and being like, ah, we need to pay out to

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<v Speaker 2>a FanDuel for one hundred thousand dollars. I haven't had

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<v Speaker 2>a bad weekend, right, does this over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, the Jaguars tried to sue FanDuel

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<v Speaker 2>and get their money back. On the Jaguars, no, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's their money. They're like, he doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>right to spend our money.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, that's the talk to the cops. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're a gambling SciTE. If someone comes into a casino

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<v Speaker 2>with all their money, yeah, that's on y'all. That's casino

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<v Speaker 2>money now. So as as a source said, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about whether or not the Jacksonville Jaguars could

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<v Speaker 2>likely get their money back, yeah, the source said, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote the way they see it, we got this money,

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<v Speaker 2>fair and clear. It's not our problem that we have

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<v Speaker 2>to forfeit it back to you. So and they said

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<v Speaker 2>I would be godsmacked if it happened, So I'm with them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be surprised. But how amazing is that? The Jacksonville

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<v Speaker 2>Jaguars are like, can we have please?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it's like a lot. I can't sue, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they got ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so ridiculous. Do you want to know what

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<v Speaker 1>else is ridiculous? Oh my god, please hair helmets?

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<v Speaker 2>What now?

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<v Speaker 1>This is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous

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<v Speaker 1>CAPERSU cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you heard that same aman, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Crook and politicians, yes, maddening, completely right, unless unless they're entertaining. Yes, So,

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<v Speaker 1>like we had Buddy Cianci.

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<v Speaker 2>Up and that was a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the Big Dog, a personal favorite of mine, Bumfardo.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, that guy classics both of um.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a moment of silence for that character and

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<v Speaker 1>his rose colored glasses. Not too long ago. I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't give him a big moment.

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<v Speaker 2>That was not much of a moment of silence. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know how moment of silence work. There's a moment

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<v Speaker 2>of silence. Really, I take it out, you try it something?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>There?

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<v Speaker 2>Just like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So not too long ago, September twenty fourteen, we lost

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<v Speaker 1>another crooked politician. No, this was a real character.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was he?

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<v Speaker 1>James, A trafficant junior. Oh yeah. Some people called him Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>others called him Jimbo, and still others called him Crooked

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<v Speaker 1>as a barrel of snakes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a weird nickname.

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<v Speaker 1>Crooked as an old dog's hind leg.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an even weirder nickname.

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<v Speaker 1>So crooked that if he swallowed a nail, he'd spit

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<v Speaker 1>up a corkscrew Slicker than a slop jar, Crooked to

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<v Speaker 1>unscrew his bridges at night, more slippery than a pocket

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<v Speaker 1>full of pudding. That's my favorite. Slickered and a boiled onion.

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<v Speaker 2>You know these are good. I'm just waiting for more traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in Youngstown, Ohio, in nineteen forty one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to cut to the chase.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a problem town.

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<v Speaker 1>When it all started, Yeah, son of a truck.

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<v Speaker 2>Drive good mafia there when.

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<v Speaker 1>I stubbed my toe, I yell, son of a truck driver.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to college, got himself a bachelor's in education

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<v Speaker 1>from the University of Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations, you know, good for him, pit.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who else was at the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh at that same time, Damn Marina, Mike Ditka and

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<v Speaker 1>Marty Schottenheimer. Oh interesting, Yeah, traffic can't new them really

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<v Speaker 1>because he just happened to be the quarterback a team

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<v Speaker 1>with them. Damn. So we got like an all American

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<v Speaker 1>story brewing. Seriously, Like this hard working class guy comes up,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a quarterback. He was. I I live in the

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<v Speaker 1>dream Ka, but it wasn't a dream that he liked

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<v Speaker 1>too much. During his senior season, he told a reporter quote,

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<v Speaker 1>pitt has the worst coaching staff in the country. I've

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<v Speaker 1>made two big mistakes in my life. The first one

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<v Speaker 1>was coming here. The second one was staying like ouch,

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<v Speaker 1>just leave why.

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<v Speaker 2>Panthers.

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<v Speaker 1>After he graduated, he tried out for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't make the cut. And then he also

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<v Speaker 1>tried out for the bad boys in the NFL, the

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<v Speaker 1>Oakland Raiders. Oh, didn't make it there totally their loss.

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<v Speaker 1>So he headed over to Youngstown State University and he

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<v Speaker 1>got himself not one, but two master's degrees, one in

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<v Speaker 1>administration and another in counseling. And those are good and

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<v Speaker 1>the good degrees for someone who wants to go into government,

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<v Speaker 1>like make a difference. So he got a gig as

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<v Speaker 1>executive director at the local county Drug program, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he dipped his toe into the sometimes muddy waters of

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<v Speaker 1>local politics. He started as the chair of the campaign

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<v Speaker 1>for the Mahoning County Recorder, okay, and then he worked

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<v Speaker 1>on the nineteen seventy eight campaign for the Youngstown mayoral

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic candidate. Both of those won. Who was it zing,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, So this was Youngstown, Ohio, because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what their names were.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about the mafia and your well we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting there. Oh really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Youngstown, Ohio a steel town that had seen better days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>Factories were closing, companies were, you know, moving their operations overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, good working class folks are starting to suffer.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you were saying, it's not just a factory town,

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<v Speaker 1>it was mob territory, like big time Biggins. An IRS

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<v Speaker 1>report once said quote certain factions of the Cleveland and

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh organized crime families of Lakosa Nostra. Oh they right there,

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<v Speaker 1>campaigned for control of certain illegal activities conducted in the

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<v Speaker 1>Mahoning Valley during nighttime. Teen seventy nine and nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>The competing factions wage day quote war primarily during the

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<v Speaker 1>first half of nineteen seventy nine, in which a number

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<v Speaker 1>of individuals associated with both factions were killed. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>factions operating in the Mahoning Valley were also known to

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate and to cooperate with each other. Here's a struggling,

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<v Speaker 1>hard working area sitting in the center of a mob war. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Trafficant's time to shine. So nineteen seventy nine, Trafficant runs

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<v Speaker 1>for sheriff of Mahoning County. And I'm hoping I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the county right, but you know, odds

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<v Speaker 1>are now he runs for sheriff as a Democrat. The

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<v Speaker 1>post of sheriff basically under the thumb of the mob

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and so they installed their guide generally

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<v Speaker 1>in order for things to you know, move smoothly for them.

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<v Speaker 1>And inside guy, as we say, sure, Trafficant ran on

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<v Speaker 1>an anti corruption campaign, and so he's like, nope, I

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<v Speaker 1>am not owned by the mob. I am going to

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<v Speaker 1>bust their butts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course, and actually I hate that what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bad, bad, bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And he won Sarin. He won, He beat the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>incumbent in the primary, and then he went on to

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<v Speaker 1>win the general election November nineteen eighty. So, in early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one, an FBI investigation into some mob hits

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<v Speaker 1>uncovered cassette tapes hidden in a bread box bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>a bread box, No, hidden in a hidden in a

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<v Speaker 1>bread box. The tapes were made during Trafficant's campaign, and

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<v Speaker 1>they featured him just yapping, chatting it up with local mobsters,

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<v Speaker 1>the Karabia brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, he's supposed to be anti corruption, so

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<v Speaker 2>he was. He was telling them, I'm going to anti corrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what, guys, I'm anti yu exactly, brothers. What are

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<v Speaker 1>they talking about? In truth? Exchanges of money between themselves

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<v Speaker 1>and traffic Can't, but also the money that Trafficant was

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<v Speaker 1>taking from the rival Pittsburgh faction. You'll find both shots.

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<v Speaker 1>So the mobsters they made the tapes because they were

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<v Speaker 1>worried that traff Can was loyal to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>On the tapes, traffic Cant and the Carabia brothers, they

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the amount of money that each faction had given, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how much should they give you, because like, we gave.

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<v Speaker 2>You this on what dates? Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 1>He tells them, Look like, this is how I washed

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<v Speaker 1>in quotes, ten thousand dollars in cash through a local

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<v Speaker 1>law firm to cover money that the mob figures had

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<v Speaker 1>put into my sheriff's campaign. He's like, let me lay

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<v Speaker 1>it out here, don't worry about it. And then he jokes,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, hey, once I'm sheriff, Like I might just

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<v Speaker 1>take down the Pittsburgh faction for obstruction of political justice.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'll do you a favor.

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<v Speaker 2>I've made a lun sheet, a careful lunch sheet. Here

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<v Speaker 2>is that all done well?

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the Carabbias tells him like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, if you take down the Pittsburgh guys, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>you will be a hero. In fact, you could run

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<v Speaker 1>for Congress and win if you did.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, let me update my flow charte.

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<v Speaker 1>So remember, the FBI has those tapes, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just like novelty listening for them, they weren't using them

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<v Speaker 1>like they're outgoing answering machine message. As a goof June

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty one, they haul Trafficant into their Youngstown office.

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<v Speaker 1>Get in here, come here. He's all dressed as sheriff,

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<v Speaker 1>and in my mind that's like a party city coffee car.

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<v Speaker 1>So they wanted to know, like, tell us about this

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<v Speaker 1>whole taking money from the mob thing, just tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about it. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they click hit play, so Trafficant's like, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my voice, that's me talking. FBI is like, great, here,

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<v Speaker 1>sign this paper that says that's you on the tape,

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<v Speaker 1>and traffic Ant does. He's like, that is me on

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<v Speaker 1>the tape. But the whole time he's signing it, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's not true though, like none of it's true,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's entering into Pelicano territory. So the FBI was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, how about this, like we will fix any

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<v Speaker 1>inaccuracies to this statement, and he's like, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have there aren't any on the paper, and yet it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to all be lies. Like I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So traffican't. He tells the fbis that he already used

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<v Speaker 1>up most of the MOB money, so he couldn't return it,

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<v Speaker 1>can't get it back like FanDuel that. So the FBI like,

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably completely flummixed by this guy. They ask him

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<v Speaker 1>where a wire? Please, I'm begging of you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>help us take down the mob and like the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>though they weren't promising immunity in exchange for his cooperation,

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<v Speaker 1>but he still agrees to.

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<v Speaker 2>It for free.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he never wore the wire, Like have you

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<v Speaker 1>worn it? He's like, yeah, I just got really busy

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<v Speaker 1>and like a chance, so I'll get I'll take care

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He said he only wanted to cooperate if

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<v Speaker 1>quote it was not made public that his cooperation was

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<v Speaker 1>a result of the FBI's discovery of the bread box tape,

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<v Speaker 1>if he himself had some control over direction of the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation so that he could protect certain individuals, if he

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<v Speaker 1>remained as sheriff. He's like, I just want to do

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of illegal stuff and just let me

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<v Speaker 1>just get a smidge in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on.

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<v Speaker 1>FBI is totally over it. They charge him with accepting

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty three thousand dollars in bribes quote

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<v Speaker 1>from reputed organized crime figures during his election campaign. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they hit him with the Rico Act violations failing to

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<v Speaker 1>report the bribes on a federal income tax return.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they just rico him on his own. Oh, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't bring him in like anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>You are your own conspiracy. In eighty two, he gets

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<v Speaker 1>indicted by a grand jury. Okay, and then he goes

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<v Speaker 1>on the offensive, like you know, he became the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>He took a charge yea, And by that, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he really starts working the press. Oh. So the trial

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<v Speaker 1>had not even started yet, and he turned around and

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<v Speaker 1>he charged twenty FBI agents with dereliction of duty. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that the FBI knew in advance that three mobsters

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<v Speaker 1>were going to be robbing this Youngstown greenhouse owner guy

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<v Speaker 1>named pop Oh, and that they didn't do anything, like

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<v Speaker 1>you knew.

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<v Speaker 2>He was going to have to let crime happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy he gets robbed at home, tied up, shot

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<v Speaker 1>at with a taser or damn, and I mean he lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the judge is like, you cannot arrest the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI agents for not stepping in. No, I will not

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<v Speaker 1>allow it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, but do you know how the f GI works.

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<v Speaker 2>They need a crime to prosecute.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as the press. So Trafficant then he makes

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<v Speaker 1>news because there were thirteen houses under foreclosure in Youngstown

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<v Speaker 1>and he's supposed to sign the notices and send the

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<v Speaker 1>deputies out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, because he's right.

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<v Speaker 1>He refuses. He's like, I am not. Times are tough,

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<v Speaker 1>no more suffering. Yeah, I deny these So by denying

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<v Speaker 1>the orders, by the fact that he won't go through

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<v Speaker 1>with the foreclosures, he gets arrested and charged with contempt

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<v Speaker 1>and sentenced to one hundred days in jail. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>lasts three days. He lasts three days, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>agrees to sign the paper and then he's released. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he signs the eviction papers, this like self

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice turns him into a hero in that time. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>completely yeah. So as the trial is about to start,

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<v Speaker 1>Trafficant fires his lawyer. His lawyer told the press that

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<v Speaker 1>since the judge wouldn't let Trafficant cross examine witnesses when

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<v Speaker 1>he was just the defendant, Like, Trafficant's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>his own lawyer. You can't as the defendant, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get up and cross examine.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to be the one asking.

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<v Speaker 1>Only the lawyer can do that. So he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, I'm lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess there's a lawyer now, and the lawyer's talk.

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<v Speaker 1>The lawyer wanted to stay on, and then the FEDS

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<v Speaker 1>were like, yeah, you need to be the legal advisor.

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<v Speaker 1>But Trafficant said that he fired his lawyer because quote,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody could know when another person did. Nobody can grasp

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<v Speaker 1>the complexity of the case, which is like basically what

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Pelicano said. Sure, so Trafficant ends up defending himself

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<v Speaker 1>in court.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a good move.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial began in Cleveland in May of nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>He was able to convince the judge that part of

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<v Speaker 1>the jury pool should come from Youngstown to his hometown,

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<v Speaker 1>and about half the jury winds up being his constituents. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so here's his argument. He said, yes, I took the

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<v Speaker 1>money evidence. I'm building a case against the mob. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>planning a sting. The FBI won't do it, I'll do it,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. Quote the FBI made a statement that in

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years they were not able to penetrate this corrupt

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<v Speaker 1>mafia controlled town. You want to hear something. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know how long it took me? I filed nominating petitions

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<v Speaker 1>for sheriff, and I met every mafia figure in the valley. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to stamp out organized crime and they

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<v Speaker 1>offer you money, what are you gonna say? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want anything to do with it. That's his quote.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a fair point. And if in the how

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<v Speaker 2>he's buddying the waters as the part that I really

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<v Speaker 2>like is the whole like, oh, they couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it, And then the people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>look at that, our anti corruption guy. Back at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? He said he never promised or like, gave the

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<v Speaker 1>mob anything in return for this money. And in court

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<v Speaker 1>he said that the FBI agents like they forged his

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<v Speaker 1>signature on that paper and then it was also full

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<v Speaker 1>of lies.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they hit play again? He's like, okay, I'll sign this.

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<v Speaker 1>He busts the Pelicano. He says the tapes. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the jury loved him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Ai. It's Ai before Ai.

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<v Speaker 1>Four days of deliberation, jury returns and not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course he only needed one of them, so and

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<v Speaker 2>he got fifty percent of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, So the FBI lawyer said quote. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a frustrating trial. I bet there is no case harder

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<v Speaker 1>to prosecute than one in which an intelligent, articulate, and

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive defendant decides to represent himself. In our view, the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of guilt was overwhelming, but Traffican't, a skilled politician,

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<v Speaker 1>was able to effectively divert the jury's attention from the

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<v Speaker 1>essential issues of basic guilt and innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking notes though, wait a minute, so aggressive smart to

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<v Speaker 2>be your own lawyer makes it difficult for the facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, to the day after he's yeah, he gets acquitted.

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<v Speaker 1>Next day he tells the press that he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>go after the mob. Sure, and that never real.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, anti corruption guy, Right, we all.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, let's take a break. When we come back, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>keep track this man as he weasels his way into

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<v Speaker 1>the halls of power. Welcome he Jazon listens, Aaron.

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<v Speaker 2>When we left off, we were talking about our thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jimbo, we're talking about our thing, this thing of ours,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimbo Traffican'. He was sheriff and he'd beaten federal rico charges.

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<v Speaker 2>This is impressively rarely do you beat the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So nineteen eighty four, Fresh off the courtroom victory.

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<v Speaker 1>He ran for a Democratic seat in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he won.

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<v Speaker 1>He won. The mob was right, Zara, They were totally right, like.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a congressional material exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't the end of the legal woes attached

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<v Speaker 1>to those original bribes, because like traffic can't. He got

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<v Speaker 1>with not reporting the mob money that he took his income,

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<v Speaker 1>and which I always love when they're like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you broke the law, but still you got to

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<v Speaker 1>report the illegal income. In eighty six, the IRS started

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<v Speaker 1>garnishing his wages.

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<v Speaker 2>For not paying taxes on criminal funds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was forced to pay taxes on one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eight thousand dollars that he took from the mob,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, okay, fair enough. Since he was in

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<v Speaker 1>Congress at the time and like to get ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the messaging, he used his allotted one minute on the

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<v Speaker 1>House floor to respond. He said, quote, I'm sick and

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<v Speaker 1>tired and I've had enough. I'm saying on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress today, if they scare my daughter and my

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<v Speaker 1>family again, I'm going to go over to the IRS

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<v Speaker 1>office myself and punch their lights out. I embarrassed the

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<v Speaker 1>IRS and they targeted me. I led the ninety ninth

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<v Speaker 1>Congress in opposing President Reagan and his policies, and he,

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<v Speaker 1>just like President Nixon, sent the irs after me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Reagan, like Nixon. I like that he's gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>to the irs and punts their lights out. Like he's

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<v Speaker 2>just walking down the hallway ute. He's going down just

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<v Speaker 2>like one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I like ten forty standing on the sidewalk outside,

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<v Speaker 1>I like going.

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<v Speaker 2>Like full of grand theft auto inside hire has just

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<v Speaker 2>knock his reckons all these people on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how he saw it in his head. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Congress though not enough for him. No, nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>he announced that he was running for president.

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<v Speaker 2>What I thought's gonna be like governor traffic, No, senator traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously obviously it didn't go anywhere. Okay, Yeah, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was easily re elected to Congress for nine terms in total.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they say that the religion is the last the

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<v Speaker 2>refuge of the scoundrel. I'm fairly starting as Congress is

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<v Speaker 2>he gets the house right there, Yeah, the House is

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<v Speaker 2>like okay, well, yeah, you don't like religion, come over

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<v Speaker 2>here totally.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty six, he ran unopposed and he received

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<v Speaker 1>the largest vote of any House member in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>with more than two hundred and eighteen thousand votes. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand, he was reelected, did fifty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>vote in a three way race. Wow, it's amazing. So

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite issues were illegal immigration, so it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>like illegal free trade and foreign steel imports. He's like

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<v Speaker 1>playing the greatest hits here. He was all about fighting

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<v Speaker 1>to get language into legislation that made it so that

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<v Speaker 1>products that the federal government would buy should have like

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<v Speaker 1>a maide in the USA label on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, this would play huge in the oh Man.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows his arnt money.

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<v Speaker 1>He got federal grants for hometown projects like highways, a

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<v Speaker 1>sports arena, and then yeah, money for the Youngstown Airport.

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<v Speaker 1>His other big calling card was those one minute speeches

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<v Speaker 1>on the House floor. He made hundreds of them, and

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<v Speaker 1>the best part is that he would end them by

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<v Speaker 1>saying beam me up, like beat me up on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he delivered them like basically almost every day that

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<v Speaker 1>the House was in session. Let me read you a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of quote, mister speaker. A new report says only

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent of scientists believe in God that is right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason they gave was that the scientists are

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<v Speaker 1>quote super smart, unbelievable. Most of these absent minded professors

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<v Speaker 1>cannot find the toilet. I have one question for these

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<v Speaker 1>wise guys to constipate over, how can something come from nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>And while they digest that, mister speaker, let us tell

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<v Speaker 1>it like it is. Put these super cerebral master debaters

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<v Speaker 1>in some foxhole with bombs bursting all around them, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guarantee they will not be praying to Frankenstein beam

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<v Speaker 1>me up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, no atheist and a foxhole. I love it

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<v Speaker 2>saying be me up, me am. I sorry using that

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<v Speaker 2>when I walk into places totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you put it at the beginning, but the best

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<v Speaker 1>ones are at the end. Quote mister speaker, The Lord's

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<v Speaker 1>Prayer is sixty six words. The Gettysburg addresses two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty six words. The Declaration of Independence is one

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and twenty two words. US regulations on the

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<v Speaker 1>sale of cabbage, that is right, cabbage is twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>thousand words. Regulatory red tape in America cost taxpayers four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred billion dollars every year, over four thousand each year

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<v Speaker 1>every year year in year out for every family, beam

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<v Speaker 1>me up.

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<v Speaker 2>One is just a speech, the other one's regulation. They

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<v Speaker 2>should be the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>How I love that he felt the like the need

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<v Speaker 1>to get up and complain about people being atheists. What

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<v Speaker 1>does that have to do with anything? And then he

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<v Speaker 1>then he goes on to talk about wasting taxpayer money

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<v Speaker 1>after just spending. Okay, so his website was amazing. It

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<v Speaker 1>had a picture of him holding a two by four

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<v Speaker 1>with the phrase underneath banging away in DC.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's like Hacksaw Jim Duggan, the WWE wrestler. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just beam.

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<v Speaker 1>Up well and like much like Bumfardo. He was known

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<v Speaker 1>for his unique look. Oh yeah, he bell bottoms and

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<v Speaker 1>Dunham suits in the eighties, in the nineties, in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineties, it's a boss moved.

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<v Speaker 1>He also had like a viciously bad haircut to pay combo.

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<v Speaker 2>He became he became so bad in fashion, became pre fashion. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he came back around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, so his hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you describe it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Let me let me let me tell you how

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post tried to Okay, quote reporters outdid themselves

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<v Speaker 1>in trying to describe mister Traffickant's pompadour and to determine

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was real. In the words of the Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles Times, it was a quote planet of the apes

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:33.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of hair helmet, or as Washingtonian Magazine put it,

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<v Speaker 1>quote a creature from Lake Erie before it was cleaned up.

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<v Speaker 1>So his policy stances, he leaned more Republicans Democrats, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that he was invited to attend and like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe address they put it out there, you might want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk at the two thousand Republican National Convention.

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<v Speaker 2>M by bartisanship and all that well.

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<v Speaker 1>And in two thousand he also voted to re elect

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Dennis Hastard as speaker. Oh wow, Dennis Hastard, the

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting pig. He would later be charged and convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse and hush money payments. That does as so

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 1>traffick Hand's vote for Hastart was too far for the Dems. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they kicked him out of the caucus, took away committee assignments. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's persona on Grada. And like most high profile politicians today,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a Ukraine issue. Oh yeah, interesting see there

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>was this guy named John Demjanjuk. He was a Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 1>immigrant living in Cleveland, and he was accused of being

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazi war criminal that people called Ivan the Terribleez. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was supposed to be a really really brutal

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<v Speaker 1>prison guard at the Treblinka concentration camp. Oh god, and

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<v Speaker 1>the US Justice Department took away his citizenship in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one, and he got deported to Israel for trial there.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets convicted in Israel in nineteen eighty eight, sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to death. But through it all he and his family

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<v Speaker 1>were swearing the whole thing was a case of mistaken identity,

0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.199
<v Speaker 1>and his family begged for help, but their own congress

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>members they wouldn't touch it. They're like, I want nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with this. So Trafficant's like, I'll do it, nay. Yeah,

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And he just like milked the press for his, you know,

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>supposedly brave stance to like stand up and help this

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>guy in a case of standing corruption. Yeah. So, using

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom of Information Act requests, Trafficant was able to get documents,

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<v Speaker 1>including an alleged photo of the actual Ivan, and then

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>testimony from other Nazis at Treblinka who didn't recognize the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that proved he was not Ivan the Terrible in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three, the Israeli Supreme Court overturned the conviction

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and trafficant brought the dude back to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, he may not have been Ivan the Terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was still terrible. Oh really Yeah, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of evidence that he had been in SS

0:25:56.400 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>prison guard at a different Polish concentration camp. He later

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<v Speaker 1>he like, so he gets extradited to Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>Extradited, yes, So they're like, he's not terrible, He's a different, different.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrible guy. And Germany's just like, hand him over, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>take him. And so they charge him and they convict

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 1>him with more than twenty eight thousand counts of accessory

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<v Speaker 1>to murder. He gets sentenced to prison. So he dies

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<v Speaker 1>in a nursing home in Germany at the age of

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one, awaiting his appeal, which is like too kind

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 1>even though like traffic can't defends him until the end

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>it is like, well, I don't think that's true. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think any of this is true.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can't spell traffic, can't without the word bribery

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know how to spell. And in May

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one, traffic can't he gets indicted by

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<v Speaker 1>a grand jury on four counts of bribery, two counts

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<v Speaker 1>of tax evasion, two counts of racketeering, and one count

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<v Speaker 1>each of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gifts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an Ohio full house.

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<v Speaker 1>He faced up is sixty three years in prison and

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<v Speaker 1>a two million dollar fine if convicted. Like, how can

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<v Speaker 1>that be your ass?

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<v Speaker 2>How can that be Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly? Thank you for asking well. Prosecutors said that Trafficant

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<v Speaker 1>started taking bribes right after he got into office in

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five. Like just immediately puts the box on

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the desk, puts his hand out, starts taking it. But

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>they were more interested in recent stuff. This is what

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post had to say. It was alleged that

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<v Speaker 1>quote local contractors did work on Trafficant's boat and family

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>farm and gave him money in exchange for political favors.

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.479
<v Speaker 1>The indictment also alleges that he accepted monthly twenty five

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars payments from a staff member in exchange for

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>hiring the aid and renting office base from him at

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 1>total more than one hundred thousand dollars, and that Trafficant

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 1>ordered aids to perform manual labor on the boat and

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 1>farm during regular work hours.

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.120
<v Speaker 2>He's got a congressional aids gone out their buffons.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye, they show up in their like you know, dockers,

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's like no, no, no, go ch change because

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>you're going out to the boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well? How did what did they do down on the farm? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>What did they do down on the farm, Elizabeth?

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>A really good thing? I sightful question.

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a profound question.

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>They bailed hay on the farm. Really, they maintained horse

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>stalls and they did a little light construction work.

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 2>It's like a prison farm pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what about the boat?

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<v Speaker 2>What about the boat, Elizabeth?

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just any boat. It was a houseboat that

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>he lived on when he was in DC. He lived

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>on a houseboat, which is just shady in general, of course.

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>But also he apparently bought the thing from old toe

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>tapper Larry Craig. Oh lord, ye, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of my rule. The only person I've ever trusted

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>as a houseboat is Travis Spaghee and he's fictional. Yes, So.

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Traffagan had his minions scraping barnacles off the houseboat, which

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>was a total wreck apparently. No, it's not an euphemism.

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>And like for all the free labor, the place was.

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Just disrepair, I imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was a community builder, a male bonding experience.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how he described it. It's not hard labor. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a mail bonding.

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 2>This is a place to spill whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>April two thousand and one, an Ohio businessman named John Kafaro.

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<v Speaker 1>He admitted that he quote arranged nearly twenty seven thousand

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>dollars in repairs on mister Trafficant's houseboat in Washington and

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>then bought the boat for twenty six thousand dollars. Prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that boat. Well, mister Trafficant was lobbying federal

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.239
<v Speaker 1>agencies on behalf of a laser guidance system sold by

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>mister Kafaro's company, the US Aerospace Group.

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>It's a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll sink twenty seven grand into the boat, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>buy it from you for twenty six.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about business. He took me to his

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 2>boat and I said I'd like to buy this too,

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Really turned around and let me donate it back you.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is also from the Washington Post. Quote Trafficant

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<v Speaker 1>is also accused of accepting more than ten thousand dollars

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>worth of paving at the family farm in return for

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>pressuring federal and state highway officials on behalf of a

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>contractor who'd been convicted of felonies from another contractor. Traffic

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Can't allegedly accepted labor and materials in return for intervening

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>with a local government agency about a building demolition contract. Heyway, everyone,

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>everyone has talents and skills. What are yours and what

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>are they worthing?

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Have you been to my house? Point out what you

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>can fix.

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<v Speaker 1>So the government's evidence included, you know, among a bunch

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>of other things, quote, a briefcase full of cash, letters for.

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>You get one of those, a briefcase.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you put that on the order list from iHeart

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>letters from trafficant to government officials, and then a delicatess

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>in place that upon which he wrote a list of

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.719
<v Speaker 1>tasks that he wanted a contractor to perform. And he's

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>probably like paving plus framing this building equals you'll get

0:30:59.440 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the contract.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the kind of guy who would like get a

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.239
<v Speaker 2>video camera record his meeting for the thing and then

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>give it to him. Here's what we said, here's these

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>you just go back and look at the case.

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's just circle back around. It's like when you have

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>a meeting and then you send the email afterwards because

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>you're like, these people aren't going to do it. We

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>just talked about like, okay, so here are action points

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>for this. Traffic can't denies everything.

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>None of that's not old paper. Trail traffic can't.

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<v Speaker 1>So the trial starts February two thousand and two at

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Courthouse in Cleveland, Great Court House. Once again.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Traffic Cant's going to represent himself. Strategy last time to know,

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>he said that he chose to be his own lawyer because,

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 1>like you know, he'd been a government target since nineteen

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>eighty three, and he knew there's absolutely no attorney who

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>can win this case.

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Keeps costs down.

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>He's thinking about the voter cost. He said. Well here,

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>he said that, like, I don't have the money to

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>spend on a lawyer for this huge trial course. So

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>this one goes a little bit differently than the nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you don't get that lucky twice.

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<v Speaker 1>This time they wouldn't let him bring in jurors from Youngstown,

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>all from Cleveland, and then he also wanted to know

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the religious and ethnic backgrounds of all potential jurors.

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 2>That's fair, right, well, he said.

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Quote As a defender of John Demjanik, a controversial Ukrainian

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>immigrant acquitted of being a World War two holocross torturer

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>known as Ivan the Terrible, mister Traffickan has complained that

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>some jurors with Jewish sympathies could prove biased. Well, first

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>of all, the parsing of that language that like the

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>guy gets acquitted of being Ivan the Terrible, Yes, but

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>not his real terrible. So the request is denied. No,

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you cannot interrogate these people as to their religious beliefs.

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 1>The judge was not having it with all his antics.

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>The judge warns him, this trial is not going to

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>be a Donnybrook. You will behave yourself in this courthouse

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and you will behave yourself outside because like Traffickant told

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the press, like while proclaiming his innocence, that he predicted

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and promised a Donnybrook and the whole inside outside the

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>courthouse thing. According to the AP quote, during the two

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>month trial, he did a curbside interview on live network

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>television outside the courthouse each morning, and then went inside

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to challenge the U. S. District Judge Leslie Brooks Wells,

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>who tried to dissuade traffic Camp from representing himself, wearing.

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>A shirt that said, who's here for the Donnybrook? I

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 2>love this guys. I mean I'm not like a fan

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>of him, but his spirit so mad. It's big.

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, big spirit. Let's take a break. Okay, we

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>come back. We'll get a glimpse of the trial, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Hello, Hello, Saren, get back here, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>James trafficking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh right, go on.

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>So he's on trial once again. He's representing himself once again.

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Smart it was a zoo and that's the way he

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>liked it. Of course, yeah, he's a zoo paper So

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Zaren close your eyes. Yes, I want you to picture it.

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<v Speaker 1>You are dur number five in the trial of James

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Traffic Cant. You can't believe your good fortune. This is

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 1>a total show and you are loving it. Best entertainment ever.

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>It's been a good month so far. You've made a

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>ton of money on your Super Bowl bet for the

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Patriots to take the Saint Louis Rams by three points.

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Salt Lake City Winter Olympics have kicked off, and you

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 1>know you're hoping that Alicia Keys wins a bunch of Grammys,

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>which she will. But for now, you're in the courtroom

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and you're excited for another day at the circus. I'm

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>here this morning much like other mornings. James traffic caan't

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>arrives at the courtroom in style. His style. Today he's

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>wearing a three piece denim suit. The pants are bell bottoms,

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and over this he's wearing a canvas jacket with leather

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>trim on the cuffs and pockets. Sharp. It's two thousand

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and two PS. So the trial gets underway for the day,

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the usual droning from the prosecution and the usual interruptions

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and objections from Trafficant. Trafficant's trying to cross examine a

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>witness and keeps asking the most random questions, and each

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.359
<v Speaker 1>time he gets murmurs or chuckles from the gallery. He's

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>asking a guy on the stand about how many times

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>they may have dined together, in the context that his

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 1>former friend had many opportunities to wear a wire and

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>tape their interactions. You drank zinfandel, Trafficant says, yes, and

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you drank merlow Man replies, I ask the questions. Trafficant

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>sharply retorts, then turns towards the jury and gives you

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a smirk and a raised eyebrow. What the He continues

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 1>with some weird side quest question about restaurants. This time

0:35:55.400 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution stands objection relevance sustained. You're all traffic camt

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>pipes up. I object to that objection. I'm up against

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer here with the testicles of an ant. Folks

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>in the gallery laugh. I don't know what that means,

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>mister trafficamp, but knock it off enough. One worry of

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>your outbursts and I'll find you in contempt. I mean,

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>it's fun, but it's going to be a long day

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and this is going to wear thin on you soon.

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So scene, let me tell you who testified, please, an

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Ohio personal injury attorney Alan Sinclair. He said that he

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>paid traffic Cant twenty five hundred dollars each month in

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>exchange for being on his staff.

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>A personal injury lawyer. Yeah, paid a twenty five hundred

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 2>dollars bill or bribe brother every month to stay on

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the staff.

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 1>He paid for a job, Yeah, and he made sixty

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>K a year as a joh, he kickbacked half his job,

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>half his salary whatever.

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as a personal injury lawyer who wants to be

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>on this staff.

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, he was still working full time.

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Would be kind of busy.

0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:59.399
<v Speaker 1>While he was quote working yeah.

0:36:59.600 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>So, according to The New York Times, Sinclair testified that

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 1>once traffic caan't found out, Sinclair would be testifying against him. Quote.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>The congressman sent notes to him asserting that there had

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>been loans, not kickbacks, he said. Mister trafficant eventually handed

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>back twenty four five hundred dollars in cash to him.

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 1>To him, he's like, oh, I.

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Thought that they were basically nobody was doing the work

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 2>and they were just splitting this salary they were. So

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>that's so that's what it was.

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>It was like a no show job basically.

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But then he's like, ho ho ho ho, those

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>weren't No, we weren't splitting the job. I was loaning

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>new money.

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Here's the other part. Yeah, he's trying to get out

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>of it by saying, like, if I give you back, exactly, queen, exactly,

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>there's no crime now, right, Officer He said.

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 1>That traffic Caant tried to coach him for his conversations

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 1>with the FBI and the grand jury, and then like

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 1>on a bunch of different times that they had gotten

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:53.319
<v Speaker 1>together and burned evidence, like the envelopes that held the cash.

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>They're like, let's have an evidence burning.

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 2>How did you coach someone for that?

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:57.720
<v Speaker 1>It's fun mail bondings.

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 2>This was like in the Iron John era of the seventies.

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they got to bang drums and yell forests and

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 1>burn evidence, burn evidence place mats. In one of their

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>like encounter sessions, Sinclair had doubts about burning the envelope.

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I don't know if this is a good idea.

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Trafficant gets up and leaves, and then Sinclair puts the

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>fire out and then takes the envelope, Oh that's like

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe just a charred inside, and hands it over to

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the FBI as evidence. So remember that Trafficant one hundred

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and seventy acre farm outside of Youngstown. I do of

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>those where men bailed Hey, where men were men and

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>they bailed hay and they learned about masculinity. So around

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four, Trafficant paid a local contractor named Henry

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Nemmits twenty five thousand dollars to build a pole barn

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.959
<v Speaker 1>and a riding area. Okay, Nemts also owned a small

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>grocery chain. So Nemits said that traffic Can't asked for

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>what amounted to like triple the work that he agreed

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to do, and instead of paying the bills, traffic Can't

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>offered a quote inner seed in a labor dispute Nemman's

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 1>hat at the time with the local Food and Commercial

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Workers Union. Oh so he's like, here's what I'm going

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to pay you. He builds it. He's like, I'm actually

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.359
<v Speaker 1>not going to pay you that. I'm going to make

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:13.439
<v Speaker 1>your union troubles go away.

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't even the arrangement going in. It was

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 2>the arrangement when the bills going out. Yeah. Wow.

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>So, according to the Youngstown Vindicator, which is an amazing

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 1>name for a newspaper, to quote, Traffic Cant, who would

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>occasionally fill in as host on various radio stations, did

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>a remote broadcast from one of Nemets's stores and urged

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 1>his constituents to cross the picket line and shop at

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the store. That's one way to lose the union boats.

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:42.280
<v Speaker 1>So the trial lasted eight weeks, and after a ninety

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 1>minute closing argument, traffic Can't apologized to the judge and

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>the jury, saying, quote, I've been a real pain in

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the ascot. If you were in the room when I

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 1>threw boxes, I apologize a pain in the ascot. Oh.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Closing argument also apparently included the use of a roll

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>of toilet paper.

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, he had props well, quote.

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 1>To demonstrate the government's case didn't hold water.

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 3>That was it.

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>That was it. I thought.

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought he said stuff like written on and he'd

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 2>rolled it up, and it's just.

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Something even more.

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 1>April eleventh, after four days of deliberations, Trafficant was convicted

0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 1>by a jury of all ten counts against him. So

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>that's like conspiracy, bribery, travel and interstate commerce to carry

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.399
<v Speaker 1>on the unlawful act of bribery because he's going back

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 1>and forth between DC.

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>So he got busted on the full everything.

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>You know exactly. He got sentenced to only eight years

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:47.280
<v Speaker 1>in prison, though, and he had to pay eighteen hundred,

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>like on thousand and eight forty a month for his

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 1>own imprisonment. Oh wow, that's cold blooded. It's kind of

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a great punishment to pay for it, and then he

0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>also had to pay like another ninety six thousand in restitution.

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>So he said he was still planning on running for

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Congress again.

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Of course he was.

0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>His time is an independence, and he didn't just plan,

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 1>he filed to run. I'm ready, he said, quote, I

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>may be the first person in America to win a

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>seat while incarcerated.

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Would he be? I think?

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Well he wasn't. Oh yeah, he didn't. Even he got

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 1>fifteen percent of the vote though.

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen yeah.

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:25.919
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the two pey Oh yes, that came

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.760
<v Speaker 1>off for the booking photo. No. Yeah, and he couldn't

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>wear it inside.

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's right.

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 1>And I like to think that he crafted his own

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>out of like loose threads and pieces of shredded wheat

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.879
<v Speaker 1>and sticks and fruit leather. Instead he grew a thin,

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 1>scraggly ponytail. Oh yeah, he just made it worse. Just

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>shave your head. After his conviction, the House asked him

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to step down. Absolutely yeah, and he refused.

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Come in and get me.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 1>July two thousand and two, his fellow reps they voted

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 1>on whether to expel him from the house. At the hearing,

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 1>here's what he said quote, I understand the political dynamics.

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I am prepared to be expelled. I'm prepared to go

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>to jail because I didn't do this. But I'm telling

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>you you have allowed Rico to degenerate to the point

0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 1>where mothers are going to be convicted of colluding to

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>buy Kellogg's breakfast cereal. Beat me up, Me me up, everybody.

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>He also said, quote, Am I different? Yeah? Do I

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>change my pants?

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Deep down you know you want to wear wid er bottoms.

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>You're just not secure enough to do it. Do I

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>do my hair with a weed whacker? I admit I've

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 1>helped everybody in my district. Yeah, I didn't even like

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:38.799
<v Speaker 1>some of them. But when they had a twenty two

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 1>percent unemployment rate, did I go to bat for them? Yes?

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm prepared to lose everything. I'm prepared to go to jail.

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>You go ahead and expel me, but I'm going to

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>tell you what. You didn't elect me. My people don't

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 1>want me out, and I don't think you should take

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>their representative away. And with that, thank you for listening

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to me and vote your conscience. Nothing personal. But he

0:42:58.719 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't give a be meal.

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like though the whole traffic. Can't traffic, can't

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 2>you different? Your bottom's too wide.

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>You're just not brave enough, too hard, You're just not

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 1>brave enough for pill bottom.

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.919
<v Speaker 2>Basically, the fashion police on him is just oh god,

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I would love to say some of those opening lines.

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I won't even lie totally.

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>He was expelled now by a vote of four twenty

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to one, which is just a chef's kiss for.

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Quote, the only vote to keep himself Congress.

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>He was expelled for quote illegal gratuity, conspiracy, obstruction of justice,

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>defrauding the government, racketeering, and tax evation violations. And then

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>he turned around later and he called his colleagues political prostitutes,

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and he said, quote, I want to apologize to all

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the hookers of America for associating them with the United States.

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Congress, giving them a bad name.

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.759
<v Speaker 1>So travagant. He wanted to do his time in this

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Native ohen He's like a.

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Less creative George Santas.

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 1>This is interesting basically, whereas like he goes wide in

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:06.879
<v Speaker 1>the legs, Santos goes tight, yes, exactly, squeeze on in there. Traffic, can't.

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to do time in Ohio. He didn't want

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to go anywhere else, mainly because he still wanted to

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 1>be able to campaign there and so instead, though, he

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 1>gets sent to a low security prison in Pennsylvania, and

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>then he's later transferred to the Federal Medical Center in Minnesota, Minnesota.

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 2>That was my guess.

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he didn't have a lot of contact with his

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:28.840
<v Speaker 1>family or his friends when he was in prison, but

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>that was by choice. Yeah, he told Fox News that quote,

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I did not want any visitors. I did not want

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>my family to go see me in prison. If I died,

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 1>they'd remember me the way I was. If I got out,

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 1>I'd be.

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Back actually kind of profound.

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>So he would like he would briefly in these very

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 1>short calls. He'd call his wife two or three times

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 1>a week, like.

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>One minute, Like he just take his one minute and

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 2>give it to her.

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, well no, he took he kept them short

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 1>because they're expensive.

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's why. Of course it is expensive.

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he's got the corruption, the corruption.

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 1>For He also took up painting while in prison.

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh and then after he was fine art painting, not

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 2>just like painting other guys.

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he got when he got out. He would

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like say that his time in prison he would

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:17.240
<v Speaker 1>call it art school, and like his first his first twelve.

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.320
<v Speaker 2>You call it being overseas at art school.

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>His first twelve paintings, which were sold through a website

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that a supporter set up, beammeupart dot com. Oh my god,

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that they sold out. This is what the website said. Quote.

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 1>He has produced original paintings, mostly from memory, showing his

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>beloved saddlebred horses on canvas, paper, prison, cardboard, and for mica.

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 1>The paints and materials used were those that were available

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>to him on a limited budget, often in short supply

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and difficult to obtain.

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Some of them are toothpas.

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>See one. That's what it looks like.

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's like ten or eleven year old, like learned art.

0:45:57.640 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Like they got a little bit, they got some swoop.

0:45:59.080 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It's got so bad.

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not bad, I'm saying.

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>But it's just very weirdly French and also very like

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 1>it's the.

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 2>You can see the kid is talented. It feels like

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>a talented kid is learning to do shape and stuff

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 2>exact and motion in the field of But whatever, it's

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 2>not bad. I'm not criticizing.

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>It looks like a lot of prison arts.

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't look like an adult.

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Noo, that's better than I could do.

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Totally. I'm not suggesting that I could do what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I think you could. In two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>the local Ohio art gallery they held a show of

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<v Speaker 1>his works, and then the Prison Medical Center revoked his

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<v Speaker 1>art privileges, saying that he was using him to make money.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because he can't make money of his crime. Crime. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He was released from prison September two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 1>He did seven years, twelve hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of art school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is so, that's like they're bachelor's masters. Twelve

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<v Speaker 1>hundred supporters attended his release party, twelve hundred and in

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<v Speaker 1>there an Elvis impersonator.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I expected that, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they had a traffic can't look alike contest? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, this is this is what he said to

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<v Speaker 1>the Cleveland Plane Dealer. Yea paper, I was a quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a congressman. Now I'm a convict. And then

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<v Speaker 1>like he put his two payback on for this quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't change one single thing. And to the powerful

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<v Speaker 1>enemies that I have, I'll just say this to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to cheat to convict me. Yeah. So about

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<v Speaker 1>a week after he gets out, he gives his first

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<v Speaker 1>interview to Fox News on the Record, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>he was considering running again for congreourse. And then right

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<v Speaker 1>after that he was a featured speaker at a tea

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 1>party rally in Ohio. So he's like pendulum swing. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's planning his campaign. He ran as an independent and

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 1>he lost. He got sixteen percent of the vote. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ten, he signed a three month contract to host

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<v Speaker 1>a three hour Saturday afternoon talk show on a Cleveland

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>AM radio station WTAM. And at this point, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>living full time on the farm totally.

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<v Speaker 2>He drove he's got a three hour am radio show.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured that's pretty much I live on a farm.

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<v Speaker 2>If I heard he.

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<v Speaker 1>Would like, he'd just like tootle around the farm on

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<v Speaker 1>his nineteen forty three Ford tractor. Yes, spreading manure, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>man stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me one of those red beauties.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm just doing man stuff out here. On

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<v Speaker 1>the evening of September twenty September twenty third, twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteen, Course twenty fourteen, the tractor.

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<v Speaker 1>Rolled over as he was trying to take it back

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<v Speaker 1>to that pole barn that he had the guy built

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<v Speaker 1>for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's super dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. He fell under. He was pinned for eight minutes

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<v Speaker 1>before someone saw what happened and called for help. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>he was very badly injured. They took him to the

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<v Speaker 1>nearest hospital and then they airlifted him to a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>hospital and he passed away from his injuries, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>four days later September twenty seventh, twenty fourteen. Yeah, very sad.

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<v Speaker 1>A forensic pathologist said that his death was from positional

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<v Speaker 1>and compressional asphyxiation from the tractor being on him.

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<v Speaker 2>So ad way to spell tractor.

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<v Speaker 1>But others say there was foul play hand.

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<v Speaker 2>The mob put a tractor on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they said that he was a very careful driver

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<v Speaker 1>who never would have rolled a tractor.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, I come from farm people. That ain't true.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks like him just to like attract conspiracy mindy.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, but there's no way to safe way to

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<v Speaker 2>drive a tractor now.

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<v Speaker 1>He was buried in private service. Thousands of people went

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<v Speaker 1>to his public memorial in October of twenty three. His

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<v Speaker 1>old farmhouse was demolished as part of the Mill Creek

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<v Speaker 1>Metro Parks plan to build a bicycle trail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, his house is now a bicycle trail, and like his.

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<v Speaker 1>Daughter, his daughter owned it at that point it was

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<v Speaker 1>see it was seized under eminent domain.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>So Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 2>I should get into politics, clearly. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a giant magnet drawing this iron filing to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh No.

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<v Speaker 2>But in all honesty, as I said, I know about

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<v Speaker 2>the Youngstown mafia before, but I didn't realize how corrupt

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Cleveland was coming out of the week. Look, we got

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<v Speaker 2>no more money for steel, you know. I mean, it's

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>an obvious thing, but I just hadn't thought about it

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<v Speaker 2>and walked it all the way through. So now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be very curious to go read about what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland in the late seventies. What's yours, Elizabeth? I

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<v Speaker 2>did that all like. I just Hey, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know what you have. Yeah, I want to know what

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<v Speaker 2>you find.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should start wearing bell bottoms and denim suits.

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<v Speaker 2>Wide bottoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go, call them.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm wearing my wide body.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Captain D give me a talk back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I went.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Elizabeth, So, a few episodes ago you mentioned that

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<v Speaker 3>you wish someone would say, wow, look at the ovaries

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<v Speaker 3>on this girl. And I just found out that there's

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<v Speaker 3>a very common saying in Spanish that goes in bar

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<v Speaker 3>de ovarios, which translated is she's got a pair of ovaries.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought you might like that, thought I might

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<v Speaker 1>like it. I love it, I love it, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for today. You can find us on the computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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