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Speaker 1: All right, we're back Talking to Death. It's just me

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Speaker 1: and Dylan today. Hey, that's because Mike is upstairs working

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Speaker 1: on the next episode of Up and Vanished. We've hit

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Speaker 1: that point where things are starting to meet up with

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot to unpack, and so we're gonna jump

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Speaker 1: right into it from the moment that I first stepped

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Speaker 1: down and know, it didn't take very long before we

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Speaker 1: started to learn about this guy that Flow was allegedly

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Speaker 1: We've been learned that this person went by the nickname

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Speaker 1: Oregon John. Through some more digging, we eventually linked this

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Speaker 1: and as far as we can tell, besides the theories

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Speaker 1: That's the only theory running around town here. And so

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Speaker 1: It's almost too perfect, Like the only thing that can

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Speaker 1: and that's we cannot control that, right And when we

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Speaker 2: Man, it was an intense time to start to finish.

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Speaker 1: David Robinson. We went to Orlando to go to Crime Con,

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Speaker 1: which is a conference that happens once a year where

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Speaker 1: David Robinson's mission to find his son Daniel, just go

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Speaker 1: to Please Help Find Daniel dot Com. Our next guest

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Speaker 1: on Talking to Death David Robinson. So, how you doing, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing Will doing Will's back. Ind I bet it's

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Speaker 1: been a busy week for you for weekend.

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Speaker 3: It has been productive though, It's been very productive. So

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Speaker 1: So tell me what you're doing here in Orlando this weekend.

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Speaker 1: What's your mission.

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Speaker 3: Here right now here in crime con My mission is

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that's an important thing to do

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Speaker 3: Or that's right? And I wasn't there to observe and

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Speaker 1: Law Yeah, you don't want to send somebody here, and

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Speaker 3: Well, a law enforcement hadn't been doing the thing. Initially,

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Speaker 3: Well, as I was traveling, I started learning more information

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Speaker 3: Well, yes they did. My son had two assignments that day,

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Speaker 3: No, The vehicle showed up thirty days later, you know.

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Speaker 3: Well? And initially I didn't know what des about it,

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Speaker 3: He said he may have just from the the detective

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's exactly the initial things I have gotten

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Speaker 1: That's why you know that about sums Up. I would

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Speaker 1: He would have been naked at some point, right.

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Speaker 3: And then the fact that me and my family was

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Speaker 3: Yes? He did?

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Speaker 1: Then, yes, is there anything Is there any data in

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Speaker 1: I've heard in some cases that a family member can

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00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: petition with the cell phone carrier and oftentimes they do

439
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: give it to you. I mean, you'd be the only

440
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: person you could probably get that. But yeah, I would

441
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: just try to go around those guys.

442
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah we did, and that's what. Yeah, it's not yet.

443
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: When you do that. I don't even know what that

444
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: process is like.

445
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: It's rough. I've been meeting with some of the lobbyists

446
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 3: and some of the other folks this meeting, trying to

447
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 3: get them to release our data. It's actually my son's

448
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: phone was my daughter's service, so it's her data, you know,

449
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: trying to get it from them. So we're trying to

450
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: get some things done to make sure we sive that.

451
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: I even going as far as trying to help get

452
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 3: lost pass to both of that through these these tail

453
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: of communications departments, you know, phone companies and things, to

454
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: make sure that it's our data we should be.

455
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: Able to get in circumstances like that, him being missing

456
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: and you and you see this weird scene with the

457
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: car and the clothes, what do you start put piecing

458
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: together in your head in terms of trying to figure

459
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: out how it looks like this and why this is

460
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: the way it is and he's nowhere to be found.

461
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: Is your mind like put together scenarios?

462
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: I could put anything. At first, I just listened, like

463
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 3: I said, to what law Forcement had to say. Once

464
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: I got my private investigator, he's an accident reconstructionist. He

465
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: immediately looked at the scene and said, hey, no, this

466
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: is not right. It's a stage event. He felt like

467
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: it was, but he wasn't too sure until he physically

468
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: examined the vehicle. Of course, you guys, if you know

469
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: the story, Law Force meant the vehicles found on the nineteenth.

470
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 3: On the twenty, they gave vehicle over to me everything

471
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: for safe keep and say, hey, he's coming back for

472
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: his things. So I was able to have my investigator

473
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: to go through that vehicle and he initially immediately saw

474
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 3: something not right. There was the damage domes terrain, there

475
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: was red transferred pain on the side of the vehicle.

476
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 3: There's nothing red in the desert lying on the side. Also,

477
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: once he got the examined the black bots data, there

478
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: was eleven this there was eleven mouse astro on the

479
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: vehicle after the crash. What does that mean after the

480
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 3: air bads deployed, somebody drove the vehicle of eleven miles

481
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: additional mouse. I didn't know vill because he could do

482
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: that once the airbad deployed. But that's what he says.

483
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: And also the data on the black box showed there

484
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: was forty six initial cycles. That mean the vehicles cranked

485
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: forty six times after the airbad deployed. And so it

486
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: would be physically impossible for a vehicle sitting on the

487
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: side and somebody sitting there cranking it up forty six times.

488
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 3: So you know, he always had all the information he

489
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: had to knowing that the vehicles actually that stage event

490
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: was put there a couple with the person who found

491
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: the vehicles was the rancher. The rancher found the vehicle

492
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 3: on July to nineteenth. He was out there on July

493
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: to seventeenth in that same ravine because his cattle goes

494
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: through there to go to a corral, and it wasn't

495
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: there on the seventeen, but then he came back on

496
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: the nineteenth, it was sitting.

497
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: There, and so he stopped responding on the seventeenth.

498
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: Well, for now, Daniel didn't stop. He stopped responding to

499
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: that he went missing. So which you day was that

500
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: that was June twenty third or twenty twenty one? Okay, okay, So.

501
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: This other person who was out there with him, I mean,

502
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: is that just not automatically who people should be looking at,

503
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: or is this I would say, I think that we're

504
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: running out of I think thinking beyond that until you

505
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: clear that it's not even where you should be looking.

506
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: It's like, right, and what's your assessment of that? I mean,

507
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put you on the spot to

508
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: like say anything about him, but like, what's going on.

509
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: I don't believe the story he gave me. The story,

510
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 3: like I told you, bullshit meter on this person because

511
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: he changed his story. He changed the story. Of course,

512
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 3: I had no reason not to believe the story is

513
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: what law enforcement gave me. Once I got to Phenix, Arizona.

514
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: I made arrangements to meet this guy in the same

515
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: place my son met. I'm right on the side of

516
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: some villa parkway. He initially sent someone else from that

517
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: whale site. I don't know who this guy was. I

518
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: thought it was him. The guy at the really strange

519
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: try to get me in the vehicle, and he was

520
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: asking me why I wanted to speak to him. And

521
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: then when I finally got past that part, the guy

522
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: went and made a phone call out of earshot. He

523
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: actually saw that I was an earshot. He moved his vehicle.

524
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: Ford that had a conversation with His name is Ken,

525
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: the guy, and then he rolled back and said, well,

526
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: Ken said he's gonna come on up. So he came

527
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 3: up there. Ken got his vehicle. First thing he did,

528
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: he had a utility truck with his hand in. I'm

529
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 3: a military guy, washed hands, That's what we're trained to do.

530
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: He moved his hand movements as if he was holding

531
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: a weapon inside his compartment his utility truck. And I

532
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: guess once he figured that I wasn't a threat, I

533
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: guess I put up here trying to get information. He

534
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 3: started talking to me. Once he did that, he gave me.

535
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: It's almost like it was a written thing. He said,

536
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: word from word, but the law enforcement officer told me,

537
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: I mean it's word from word. But then when he

538
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: got comfortable because I used a technique that I learned

539
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: in the military to make a person feel really comfortable.

540
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: And then when he did it, that's when he changed

541
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: his story. That's how did you do that?

542
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: How did you make it feel comfortable?

543
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you'd be very agreeable, you know, things

544
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: like look, hey man, you know he said, man, you know,

545
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: if I know your sons, it's not your fault that

546
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: he's missing, you know, to make him feel valid part

547
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: of their thing. So that's when you start releasing more

548
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: information like something that he didn't tell lawforce. Oh I

549
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: stayed left for the tracks. Make sure I disturbed because

550
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: I knew law enforcement gonna come, this thing gonna go

551
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: national And oh yeah, he said.

552
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, why are you thinking like that right at that

553
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: point in time?

554
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: And if you want to take and I can be

555
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: honest with you, you listen to his story. It will

556
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: actually take you to where near where my son's vehicle

557
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: is actually going to be found. So I can't say that,

558
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: but I gave all this information law enforcement. I have

559
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: the notes that was written, I had the videotape I had,

560
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: you know, I have people with my witnesses that yeah, just.

561
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Built build that case just internally. Yes, hopefully that comes

562
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: into play at some point.

563
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: It wouldn't because law enforcement drops say, oh, that's what

564
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: he said, and they dismissed it. So that's where we're

565
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: at on that point there. But that's the reason why

566
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: I say, yes, the first person that oh, the last

567
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: person that's been seeing the person should be screwed. That's

568
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: third should be scrutinized very well. Yeah. The only person

569
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: that was ever in the interrogation room for as I

570
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: know in my son's case was me and my daughter.

571
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: We were put in the terrorication room. No one else

572
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: what they needed to know from you other than it

573
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: was horrible. You know your son is right? Is that

574
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: what their behavior is, what's what's normal and what's not right? Right?

575
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: I think they was fishing for, in my opinion, fishing

576
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: for a way to say my son was probably mentally unstable,

577
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: he's depressed. And the reason why I say.

578
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: That because he had gone off and did it to himself.

579
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: Pretty much, right, He just wanted to disappear or whatever

580
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: the case may be. Uh. And the reason why I

581
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: say that because you know, first of all, they brought

582
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: us in the back door of the department. I didn't

583
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: never been in a terrogation room in my life. I'm

584
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: not a criminal. Yeah.

585
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: I realized I have once and it wasn't fun.

586
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I was like, I don't belong here. There's no,

587
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 3: it's not fun. I didn't realize it. But they had

588
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 3: us sitting there for I think my daughter and I

589
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: sat there for because, of course, say you know, you

590
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: could think of anything that was odd and strange about

591
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: your son. You know, we had to sit there for

592
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: like fifteen minutes to.

593
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: Come up with me, what answer are you fishing?

594
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: Yes? So the only thing we come up with. My

595
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: daughter she said, Yeah, I think about a week or so,

596
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: it could have been two weeks. He was staring off

597
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: at the wall and they put that in the port. Yeah,

598
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: he's staying off the wall. He's had troubles or something

599
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: out the other and.

600
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: Like staring at the wall all day in their office.

601
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

602
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: But at some point you were like, what am I

603
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: doing here?

604
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: Right? Are we yet? Yeah? You know? And did? I did?

605
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: But I was able to provide it. My my position,

606
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: I felt that I was being helpful because I want

607
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: to help.

608
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to put that on record and do

609
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: the due diligence right.

610
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: The bank records. We was able to pull that up

611
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: on the phone, you know, kind of holding in front

612
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: of them and uh so they can look through things

613
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: the cell phone. Uh certain information on the cell phone.

614
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: Was able to show him on the cell phone through

615
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: my dunc as of her account, you know, things like

616
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: So felt like it was being helpful. They help try

617
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: to get some information about Daniel.

618
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: This person of interest, Ken is his name.

619
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: Yes, his name is Ken. So I can't say his

620
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: name because he put hisself out of you doing interviews

621
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: and everything.

622
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I mean he's clearly been talking about right Ken.

623
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: When you arranged to initially meet him, he sent someone

624
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: else to meet you first, but didn't tell you that

625
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: that's just to check it out or check it out.

626
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: This guy's or something. Who was this person though? And

627
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: I still don't know his name. That's the same part.

628
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Someone from this company or I'm.

629
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: Assuming somebody's working at the well site with them because

630
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: of what I did learn, Okay, is that the reason

631
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: why I was able to go to that will area

632
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: where my son was last seeing. I was actually well,

633
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: But like I said, the son Villa Parkway is because

634
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: Ken he since my son WO was missing, he was

635
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: still at that well site every day, and so I

636
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: was able to get back there. But yeah, the other

637
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: person I'm assuming is somebody's helping him out at the

638
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: will that probably was taking my son's place, or I

639
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: don't know what his purpose was, but he's there.

640
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: Do you know much about that company? Is is it

641
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: a big one or is it like a small local

642
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: thing or a family owned joint or what is it?

643
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: Well, the company my son worked for's new world. That's

644
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: that that company is. It's not huge, but it's not

645
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: small lead it's kind of somewhere in between. My son

646
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: actually got the job because of his one of his

647
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: great friends, best friends you want to call it. In

648
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: college parents own that company, and so of course when

649
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: you graduated, they do they do.

650
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: They feel any sort of responsibility that this happened on

651
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: their watch potentially or I don't know.

652
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: You know they as far as the companies say, I

653
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: can't say they donated to my gold fundment. Okay, that's nice, yes,

654
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: and that's really helpful. However, as a family, we were

655
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: really disappointed because, like I told the owners, I have

656
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: many board meetings with them. If it's your employee, I

657
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: shouldn't have had to drive from South Carolina two thousand dollars.

658
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: You should have to search, you have the resources. You

659
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: should have called it law enforcement. You know he's missing.

660
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: You should have been out there searching for my son.

661
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 3: He's on your clock basically, so they haven't done any

662
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: of that that stuff, So that that was problematic for us.

663
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: And the guy who was with Ken, if that was

664
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: another employee or manager a different company, that was a

665
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: different company company my friend he knew. No, they never

666
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: met each other in life really like your sons or

667
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Ken had my son.

668
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: Having met Ken or Kay have met my son. But

669
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: I was told in life Ken.

670
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: Works for the first time they'd ever been out there

671
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: the first time of meeting. Yes, Oh that's interestingly.

672
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: Yes, kid was already at the whal site. Like I said,

673
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: before my son was coming there. My son did reach

674
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: out to him. He didn't have his phone make it

675
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: make so some little backfo I can tell by the

676
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: phone record and kids already there. So my son was

677
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: from his company's point so he's supposed to be meeting

678
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: Ken out at son Villa Parkway, and Ken could take

679
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: him to the well site where they'll be working. So

680
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: it was only two, the two of them. Like I

681
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: said the first initial I didn't have no reason not

682
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: to believe the story until I met him and listened

683
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: to him first firsthand. You know, of course I had

684
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: to do that. I had to do it. I'm a

685
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: father the first so somebody gonna tell me something different

686
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: from myself. I was a single parent, so I know

687
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: my son. Tell me something different than what my son

688
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: would do. He came to this website and just waved

689
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: off and disappeared. I know my son. He had two

690
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: web sites that morning. He went to the first one,

691
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: completed that supposedly, and went to that one where he

692
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: ended up going missing. He would have went to the

693
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: first one if he didn't want to go to work

694
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: that day, So that just his mindset. But so I

695
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: had to listen to what this guy said. And when

696
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: he did all of that and law enforcement not paying

697
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: attention to his story high a change. And like you said,

698
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: he's out now doing did interviews who I guess, validate

699
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: himself or whatever. And I could look at his body language,

700
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: and I don't believe his story. It just just don't

701
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: make up. It don't add up reality, the measurements that

702
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: I even wrote, the story that he gave and it

703
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: don't even add up because of the distance and if

704
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: things staying left for the track, nothing matches. Yeah, I

705
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: have a problem with that when law enforcement is not

706
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: taking those things seriously, and it's a problem for me

707
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: that on that behalf, there's nothing I can do. I'm

708
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: not law I'm not.

709
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: Lawful emotionally to piss you off or just or where

710
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: are you at with that in this stage? And obviously

711
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: you seem to be very uh diligent about the way

712
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: that you're trying to network and get resources, which is

713
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: super admirable, But I just could only imagine that there's

714
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: a lot propelling that.

715
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, well, my love for my son

716
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: is propelling for Yeah, I'm also you know, the fat

717
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: I am a father, you know what I'm saying, that's

718
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: my job and my duty and honor to fight my son.

719
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: So that's that's automatic. That's one of the things that

720
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: I'm definitely doing it for. But when it comes to

721
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 3: seeing injustice and things not done, the correct way. Yeah,

722
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: it's a problem for me. So my job right now

723
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: is to try to encourage law enforcement, uh and just

724
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: put these things out there for them and give them

725
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: an opportunity to work on it. As you guys know,

726
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to move my son's case onto a different jurisdiction.

727
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: And those are the reasons why. Because when things are

728
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: not being taken care of, then I have to.

729
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: Do Yeah, if you're not going to do it, then

730
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: I need to try to get to get somebody else

731
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: to the right place where someone will.

732
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: That's right.

733
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: So if this, if Ken is telling these stories about

734
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: your son that don't sound like his behavior, that would

735
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: mean that he's he's he's lying about that. Why would

736
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: Kim be lying about any of those things?

737
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: Well, if it's foul play, you know, I mean it's

738
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: a lot of people if they're I'm not saying the

739
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 3: man is guilty and now I'm not gonna get out

740
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: like that, but were saying is uh if if he

741
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: has an involvement with that, of course you know he's

742
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 3: unless he just ready to say, hey, I'm throwing town,

743
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: just want to come clean or something, you know. Other

744
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: than that, you know, people would not be truthful about

745
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: certain things.

746
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: What do you think at this point it's going to

747
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: take to get that resolution and close this case and

748
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: find out what happened to your son.

749
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: Get law ENFORCEM to do their job. Just plain as

750
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: simple as that. You know, you know I have I'm

751
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: still holding DNA evidence. I'm holding evidence I found about

752
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: my son's apartment. They just need to process these things

753
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: and find out who was driving my son car if

754
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: it wasn't him, who was in the passenger side, for instance,

755
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: with the red transfer paint, where that came from. You know,

756
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: things like that, is that really Daniel's clothes on the ground,

757
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: because we don't identify those clothing at that crime scene

758
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: that they're claiming as Daniels. This whole nine yard the process,

759
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: and they get law enforcement to do their job. I

760
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: gave them everything. Everything we know today about my son's

761
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: case didn't come from law enforcement. They didn't contrivet to

762
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: the findings that we have right now about my son's case.

763
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: That came from my own efforts, came from my hiring

764
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: them my private investigator. We just don't need them to process.

765
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: We're not law ENFORCEM, but they will can go. But

766
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: so far it is that job to do the rest?

767
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: How has the media coverage been about your son's disappearance?

768
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: Well, for me, you know, it's been hard. At first,

769
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: I literally spent days and night nights trying to convince

770
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: just even the local news to take Daniel's story. If

771
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't for me running to local news anchors like

772
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 3: reporters like Josh Sanders is his name? And Nicole Griggs.

773
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 3: Uh those are If it wasn't for them, I would

774
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: have probably had Dane's story even on a local level.

775
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: I had to work hard for that. I had to

776
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: work hard for that. Is it took me literally three

777
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: months to get that going? Uh oh yeah, yeah, I

778
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: just get that going. But once I did, I've learned

779
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: some secret things I've done on social media. That was

780
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: a big platform for me to get Danie's story out there.

781
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: And once that happened, I was able to get jew

782
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 3: Reid from MSNBC. And the reason why I was able

783
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: to do that, I didn't go direct. Sometimes you can't

784
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: get direct message to them, of course, so I look

785
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: at Twitter, for instance, and I hit their friends up,

786
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: the ones that don't have the little I did. Yeah,

787
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: that's the way, because I know the ones that don't

788
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 3: have the chet marks nine times our friends or family.

789
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: So he hit them up and they say, and that's

790
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. The family members of her friend came

791
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: tore and said, hey, have you seen the story? Right?

792
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: And that's what happened to give Daniel's case a little boost.

793
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it was during the time

794
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: the Tito case came to be, and then they started

795
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: talking about disparities and that helped.

796
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Was that a little odd seeing this, you know, another

797
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: story of a missing person getting really just kind of insane.

798
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: I havenormal coverage even from any missing person's case. It

799
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: was kind of an anomaly in that way. Was that

800
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: frustrating in any way or you know, eye opening to

801
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: you or how did you perceive that?

802
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: Well? You know, statistically true that you know, people of

803
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: color have less exposure when it comes to media coverage,

804
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: that is true. But at the time, you know, a

805
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: person like me having a missing son, I'd never known

806
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: anything much about missing person's at all, So my whole

807
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: focus was about my son. I was doing that, like

808
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: I said, for the whole three months, this focus on

809
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: trying to get the story out there. I started them

810
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: on searches at the time, So when the Potito case

811
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: came about, I didn't know anything about it. I was

812
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 3: so focused directly on my son. You have literally y yeah,

813
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: people pretty much literally hit me up on the emboxer

814
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: because I make sure at night I thank everybody who's

815
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: been supporting. Hey have you heard this Betito? Okay? Have

816
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: heard I'm like, what is that?

817
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: You know?

818
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: Right? You know? Of course eventually I'm going to google

819
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: it and see what's going on. And then when I

820
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: saw that, I say, oh my god. The first thing

821
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: initition I had was, oh, man, I think she was

822
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: around my son's age, probably a little younger, yes, but

823
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: oh my gosh. You know, I felt bad because another

824
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: parent going through the same thing I'm going through, and

825
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying, what's going on with these kids going missing?

826
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: Because I didn't know much about.

827
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Miss this probably feels like the hell's going on. And

828
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: That's what happened until my family started hitting up. My

829
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: family started he said.

830
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 3: Day you hear about this. I said, yeah, I heard something.

831
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: I feel sorry for. The family said no, you just

832
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: understand this thing is twenty four hours seventy and they

833
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: know how hard I was working to get damn story

834
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: out like that, and they say this is twenty four hours.

835
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, but it just happened. I'm like, but I've

836
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: been there here for three months, so it did me

837
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: feel a certain way, like working really hard for three.

838
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Months, I can't get it. Yeah, I can't out three months.

839
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but but like I talked to I talked

840
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: to the family all the time. My thing is, they

841
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: deserve that attention. Every family deserve attention. We just need

842
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: to make sure it's all focused and everybody get the

843
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: same amount of type attention. Every case should be dealt

844
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: with that way. That's not just one case.

845
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's still a parent who is still

846
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: a parent whose daughter is missing. And you don't want

847
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: to say that you should get less coverage or more coverage.

848
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: It's more like, hey, if there's cases that aren't being

849
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: covered as much, bring that spotlight over here too, or

850
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: we need to work hard to make that happen. That's right,

851
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: and consciously do that.

852
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: That's right. That's that's because you know, of course, every family,

853
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I know what the pain not because even

854
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: before the Potito case, I was out in the desert

855
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: with families all the time, Like I said three to

856
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: five hundreds a lot of times. And believe it or not,

857
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 3: you have people who actually have missing people up their own.

858
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: What's out there with me searching for Daniel? Wow?

859
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's amazing. So I hear that story is

860
00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: probably just hurt your brain. But the remarkable of them

861
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: to just do that. Yeah, right, that's right. But they

862
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: didn't have a voice. That's the problem. They didn't have

863
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: a voice to tell their story. And I had to

864
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: listen to that.

865
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 3: You know, you can hear that pain, and when they

866
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: talk about it, it's like it happened yesterday. It wasn't like, oh,

867
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: even though someon was twenty years ago, it's like it

868
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: happened right that day, that same day. That's how the

869
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: pain for them is and so on. Like I'm saying,

870
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: is every case deserved some attention. Is none is different

871
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: from It's the same pain. It's the same pain they

872
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: related to mine. I can relate to theirs.

873
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to meet to a Petitio family. Yes, yes,

874
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: all the time, now, yes, how's that been.

875
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: It's been great, you know when I wanted to talk

876
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: to their family for a long time. You know, in

877
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 3: the course of me fighting for my son. And one

878
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: day I think I went with News Nation at one time,

879
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: I do a story and I guess they exchanged my

880
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: information to their family. And I got that phone call

881
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: and said, hey, say, how you doing, David? This is

882
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: this is Joe some of Joseph who just is Joseph

883
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: Potito like my mind say Patino, but somebody's still a

884
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: ring And I'm like you and you said gab dead.

885
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: I said, oh, you know, we've been friends ever since.

886
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty awesome to hear. I was hoping that's

887
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: what you would say. Yes, I'm sure there's got to

888
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: be some sort of bonding that is it is right? Yeah, yeah,

889
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: And I did meet them for a second last night

890
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: and they were super cool.

891
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah they are.

892
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: And I love their take on everything like they don't.

893
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: They didn't have to go out of their way to

894
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: try and spotlight, you know, persons of color that are

895
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: missing too because of how much attention in their case. God,

896
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: they could have just only focused on their family and

897
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: that also been okay for them to do, but for

898
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: them to spread, you know, this tragedy that happened and

899
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: spread the goodness that could come out of it at

900
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: all around is I think it kind of very hopeful

901
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: for yes, other families.

902
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: It is like it is you can say anytime you

903
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: can take that pain and actually use it like that, Yeah,

904
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 3: and think about other people have empathy like that. That's

905
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: that's awesome.

906
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, that to me, it was just a powerful

907
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: thing to see. Yes, And you know it makes me

908
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: feel like there's you know, there's hope here.

909
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: We can work together.

910
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: On stuff and we all want the best for people,

911
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: right right, that's right. So what what are you trying

912
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: to do next? In terms of you so you want

913
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: to get his case moved?

914
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: You are?

915
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: You send a lot of network on your own. How

916
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: could I help? How could a listener help where they

917
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: need to go to support you and help figure out

918
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: what happened to your son?

919
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: Well? Currently you know, of course, after all the forty

920
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: nine weeks of searches thirty five thousand that was able

921
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: to cover the flyers distributions, the petition put your voice

922
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: to the petition for Advocacies, et cetera. What I am

923
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: at right now is, like I say, like you said,

924
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: trying to get my son's case moved over to a

925
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: different jurisdiction.

926
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: Which is going for that or anything how do you have?

927
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: How do you do that?

928
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: And what I have right now is called a mail

929
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: in protest. You know, I have a lot of times

930
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: families that always reach out and say, hey, you know,

931
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 3: mister Robinson, how can I help? And I'm living Canada

932
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: or I live.

933
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: In writing a letter to them and saying what right?

934
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: And then the letter writing it's just stuff they're going to.

935
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: Please help find Daniel dot com my website. There are

936
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: PDFs there. They just download those and and the goal

937
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: is to get thousands of them going to that mail

938
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: that Those are two lawforce officers every day, every day,

939
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and build that box up. And what it

940
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: does is keep Day's case out there in their mind

941
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 3: is also keep that pressure on law enforcement while I'm

942
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: working doing my part. Yeah, you're working in the background

943
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: on the web.

944
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: That's staying just as strong, but you're doing more tactical

945
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: and just right things that.

946
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: Give everybody the opportunity to join in and help. That's right.

947
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: What is the website again?

948
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: Please help find Daniel dot com? Is there? You go

949
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: fund me still or that is so also it's on

950
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: police Help find Dan dot com. It's a donation tab.

951
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: If you have events that's events tab. You got to

952
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: help in other ways. If people have skill sets they

953
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: think they can help us out with, and I says

954
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: my team and I, they can put their skill sets there.

955
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: That's a PDF button there as well. If people help

956
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: me out, because I put out thousands fliers everywhere, you

957
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: can download your own PDLs if you want to print

958
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: them out. If you want us to send flyers, we

959
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 3: just reaches at us at please help find o yahoo

960
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: dot com and we'll send flyers out to you. So

961
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: it's different ways. Like I said, again, put your voice

962
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: to that petition because I am working with government officials

963
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: and every time I do, I say, hey, look I

964
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: got one hundred and fifty thousand people behind me wanting

965
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: the same things that happen with the laws and the

966
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: changes in the systems and things like that. So that

967
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 3: helps out a lot.

968
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yes, sir, I'm gonna personally donate one thousand

969
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: dollars to you go fund me.

970
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a blessing. That's a blessing. I truly

971
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: appreciate that, yes sir.

972
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: And we'll post the links to everybody and also any

973
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: other resource or anything that comes to mind. Feel free

974
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: to reach out. There's people that we I've done a

975
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: series called Up and Advantage, and I've covered a different

976
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: a different missing person's case every season. We do like

977
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: a long form investigation and we're on the ground really

978
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: digging stuff up and poking around. So through that over

979
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: the years, I've I've met some people that are you know,

980
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: like a dog searcher or just different people in their

981
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: fields like that are experts that would absolutely love to

982
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: assist if it was ever needed in that way. Just

983
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 1: let me know, Yes, I can connect the dots.

984
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 3: I'd love to. I appreciate it because what I'm doing

985
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: right now, of course of not just the mailing protests

986
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: to getting the case moved over. I also have other

987
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: things out to take care. I have a protest coming

988
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: to us over that that mailing protests is also ticket

989
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: size and send it to the department, and I am

990
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: going to have physical protests if those things not being

991
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: probably the promises I've been given that.

992
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah me get this just all part of the next step.

993
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: Right and the last part is also the search. You know,

994
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: I do have, like I told you, for forty nine

995
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: weeks of search at thirty five thousand land. I'm not

996
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: searching the whole sonore and desert. That's it's ridiculous because

997
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: Daniel had been all over.

998
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: The finite amount of space that he could have gone

999
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: right anyway.

1000
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: And it's about what radius, Yes, it's about sciences about

1001
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: how far a person can walk, you know, without clothing.

1002
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: So all that is based on that in any direction

1003
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: from the location that we know. But the last search

1004
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: I have have gotten because they build and development out there,

1005
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: so we have some little problems. And also with funding,

1006
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: I'm really getting searched together for hopefully this fall, and

1007
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: I would need resources. When I say need resources, I

1008
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: need those specialized drones. I need cadever dolls, search dolls,

1009
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: whatever specialized dolls that will. Yeah. I do have volunteers

1010
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: that come out all the time with their razors and

1011
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: you know all these vehicles that made for that kind

1012
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: of terrain. We definitely that, so I put those things

1013
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: together every time. Uh, but I always go to need those.

1014
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me know when you when you guys do

1015
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: that or when you're setting up for it, and I'll

1016
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: whatever I can help connect. I'll do my best.

1017
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1018
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, I mean it is an endeavor out there

1019
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: in the field. It just it's just hard to search

1020
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: physically out there.

1021
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: It is, you know, it just is like eslessly on

1022
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: the ground. A lot of people don't understand that. I

1023
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: have people say, man, you know you've been searching for

1024
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: a while. Not a map anymore? Yeah, another work that way. Yeah, yeah, right.

1025
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: It's very intimidating too, because a lot of times we

1026
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: finish the search and and I know, we cover a

1027
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: lot of ground. Then I look at the area that

1028
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: we look and I look back and I'm like, wow,

1029
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: there's so much more and.

1030
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: You can't believe and see that and it's back there,

1031
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: computer or whatever. So I totally understand. Yeah, I'd love

1032
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: to throw as many resources at it as possible, but

1033
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it needs.

1034
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: A thorough search, Yes it does.

1035
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: There should be something out there, or we should definitely

1036
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: determine that there isn't That tells us something to.

1037
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: The scary part is that we have been found in

1038
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: human remains out there, of course, you know, the human

1039
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: skulls and and and and other remains. Yeah, we did

1040
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: cover some remains to help bring clothes for other families.

1041
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: But you know, so there's things out there that need

1042
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: to be taken because the soul as I have from

1043
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: that is that even though I didn't found my son,

1044
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: we brought some clothes for somebody.

1045
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Else's, which yeah, you would have ever thought that, right,

1046
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: So there's still it's it's worth the effort because there's

1047
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: it's yielding something no matter what, right, no, etually, that's

1048
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: where you're going to get there. So that's right, Yes, sir, Well,

1049
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time today, and I know you've been busy,

1050
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: but what are your thoughts on a crime conference like this?

1051
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: This is your first time here?

1052
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: Oh, my second year? Yeah, they brought me out last

1053
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 3: year and cool, just like last year at the Vegas

1054
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: one the Vegas. Yeah, we were so busy.

1055
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't even see anybody last year.

1056
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe that I had got out twenty thousand

1057
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: flyers out there.

1058
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: Like physically like you did this twenty thousand team and

1059
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: I my team and I mean that's just impressive.

1060
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: I have never been in Vegas.

1061
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: You know how much time did that take you to do?

1062
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: We just went on the strip, okay, just way gave

1063
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, people's taking them by the stacks and

1064
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: everything it's taken. Well, take it back to this stake. Yeah,

1065
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: I want to happen. Take it to the I feel

1066
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: so great. Was like I told my team, I said,

1067
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: let's take out Team Boxes. Yeah, right, let's just go

1068
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: and let's go. Yeah, and just twenty thousand of them.

1069
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: They just went out like that, Yes, aggressive and people

1070
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: from all over the place. So it was really great that.

1071
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: You know, that's the best moment I think for me,

1072
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: even though outside of crime Con definitely sitting on stage

1073
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: and yeah, and meeting people, but that there was a

1074
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: highlight for me. It is getting those flyers out, cause

1075
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: that mean Daniel's stories is traveling.

1076
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: So how the people you've met backs, because you know,

1077
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: it's I'd imagine it's kind of weird at first, I

1078
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: would think with true crime being a genre of content, Yes,

1079
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: and you know they're being fans of these murder podcasts,

1080
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: but also there's people but they also genuinely care, or

1081
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: at least most of them do. They do, and they

1082
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: want to listen and help probably, So what's been your

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Speaker 1: take on that or observation just with these fans of

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Speaker 1: the true crime and you're here talking about your missing son,

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Speaker 1: that's right, and that's how I.

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Speaker 3: Got here true crime community. Of course, the podcast and

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Speaker 3: somehow they want to jump over to missing person cases

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Speaker 3: and say hey, can you come on my podcast? And

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Speaker 3: I guess I've been so many of them. Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: started reaching out to crime Con. I didn't reach out

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Speaker 3: to crime they.

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Speaker 1: Was connected that way.

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Speaker 3: They did, and then crime Con reach out to me

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Speaker 3: and say, hey, you know, hey, look we would like

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Speaker 3: to have you out here at the Crime cond Like

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Speaker 3: what you know, I didn't know what crime con.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. I should probably

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Speaker 1: get I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. And so so when I got there last year,

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Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, it was amazing to be able

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Speaker 3: to see the love and like you said, the people.

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Speaker 1: That what if you observe if people.

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes they make you feel like you're some

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Speaker 3: type of celebrity. You have people that come to crime

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Speaker 3: and want and I was like, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just David Robinson, you know, and you don't even know

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Speaker 1: this person, right, don't know, but it's the love.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you. It's like genuine like you said, said

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Speaker 3: the crime and stuff. It's like these people actually really care.

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Speaker 3: Strangers don't know Daniel, but they feel they still connected

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Speaker 3: with the story. They connected with my son and his

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Speaker 3: story and that means a lot to me.

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Speaker 1: How does that make you feel?

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Speaker 3: If you know, like the searches, it feels good to

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Speaker 3: see people come out and spend their own money, their

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Speaker 3: own time, and their own you know, and come out

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Speaker 3: to help somebody that don't know. That means a lot.

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Speaker 3: I see the world different because of that. That's a

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Speaker 3: lot of good pep out there. No, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Thatt. We've met a lot of cool people here too,

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Speaker 1: and everyone really truly cares and it's cool to see

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Speaker 1: people in person and interact with them and hear what

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Speaker 1: there they have going on, what they're working on, or

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Speaker 1: what their family's dealing with, and just kind of networking

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Speaker 1: and connecting in a very niche place.

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Speaker 3: That's right, yes, sir, But yeah, I want.

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Speaker 1: To thank you again and we'll put out these links

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Speaker 1: and yes, please, however I can help, yes, sir, let

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Speaker 1: me know. And I got a thousand dollars for you

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Speaker 1: for your go. Oh that's that's a wonderful God blessing

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Speaker 1: for that, God bless mean it's a lot of paper,

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand paper, I bet at Kinkyos. That's probably not

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Speaker 1: very cheap. It is not you know, the library wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be cheap.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I found some that trying to get a

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Speaker 3: little more discount. Yes, that's bulk or something. Yeah. Those bosses,

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Speaker 3: they calls they realists.

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Speaker 1: Well let's lad you up, man, let's go. Yeah, that's right. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you man. I appreciate it, so, thank you.

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