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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm edward Er, my co host Darren Woodson, Ring

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Speaker 1: of Honor members soon to be in the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, leading tackler in Cowboys history, and we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Jerry and Jean Jones in their beautiful home.

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Speaker 1: And we appreciate you taking some time to share your story.

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Speaker 1: We saw a lot of it in the Netflix documentary.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Jerry all the time. This is really

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Speaker 1: the first time, I think, Gene I've ever had the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to interview, so we're grateful for the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Is this the first time you guys have ever done

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Speaker 3: I don't think. So we've done something well. Recall when

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Speaker 3: we first got involved with Cowboys, first ball to the team,

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Speaker 3: I had a friend that said, we all know how

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Speaker 3: rough it is around town. And I would make speeches

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Speaker 3: at the Rotary Club, make speeches Salesmanship Club that say, Jerry,

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Speaker 3: I know it's rough because we had made a change

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Speaker 3: with coach Landry, and boy, it was not popular around

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Speaker 3: this town. And this good friend of mine and said, Jerry,

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Speaker 3: let me give you a little advice now that I've

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Speaker 3: gotten to know, Gene, when you go to these speeches

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Speaker 3: all over this area. Take her with you, not put

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Speaker 3: her out in front, but put her on the side.

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Speaker 3: It'll ease those errors. That a real heart boy I did,

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Speaker 3: and frankly, I've used that ever since every time I

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Speaker 3: know it's going to be a tough audience I have missed. Gens.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, let's talk about how you guys met back

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Speaker 1: in Arkansas. Who did you guys just randomly meet that

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Speaker 1: somebody introduced one of the two of you together. What happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, let me say this, Gene would still be picking

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Speaker 3: chickens back in Arkansas had not there you go. So

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Speaker 3: we have to put up with.

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Speaker 4: Well real story because I do remember every detail of it,

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Speaker 4: and I think I've told part of it on Netflix

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Speaker 4: and when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: But if you want to hear it again, I can

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Speaker 4: give you all the detail. And so we were both

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Speaker 4: freshmen at the University of Arkansas. He was living in

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Speaker 4: and the school had a little party for the boys

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Speaker 4: night on campus for each of us. So the boys

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Speaker 5: I was typically running late.

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Speaker 4: I think we were both embarrassed to think you had

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Speaker 4: to just meet strangers that way. But we came down

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Speaker 4: and then the fair was in town. Everyone decided let's

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Speaker 4: teddy bears for the girls, and you know, Jerry just

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Speaker 5: He was embarrassed.

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Speaker 4: And then a little later here he comes. He had

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Speaker 4: it to give to me and I was like, well,

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Speaker 4: And then later I found out that he bought the

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Speaker 5: And that's how we met.

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Speaker 3: Jane was our Miss Arkansas and of course beautiful, but

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Speaker 3: not these states best basketball player. And when all women's

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Speaker 3: shot her jumper from her shoulder, unheard of in women's

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Speaker 3: but I liked her jumper. I didn't know you.

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Speaker 5: That's my claim to fame.

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Speaker 5: I know that well.

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Speaker 4: You know, I grew up in a very small town

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Speaker 1: But so you were Miss Arkansas. In nineteen sixty you

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, that was in nineteen sixty when

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Speaker 3: So those were rough years, but it was really great.

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Speaker 3: I've often said that it was that experience fighting ad

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Speaker 3: when I got to be a senior, along with Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 3: really did inspire me to be where we are today

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Speaker 2: So where did the You've told stories when when I

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Speaker 2: people don't realize you are probably one of the most

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Speaker 3: Well, it really came from I grew up with entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 3: When I was nine, had that little bow tie, and

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Speaker 3: but that was the upbringing that was there. But it

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Speaker 3: but it made us competitive to get tips, or it

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Speaker 3: consequently everything about football, everything the tackle, the pass, but

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Speaker 3: how about the people in the stands, and how about

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Speaker 3: winning there? And how about winning in every aspect about

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Speaker 3: winning in the draft room, everything associated with this thing

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Speaker 3: can in its own way be its own super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: directly after one hundred years, three hours early in the morning,

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Speaker 1: Gee, when do you remember Jerry first talking to you

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Speaker 1: about buying an NFL team? Because first it was a

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Speaker 1: Chargers right yes, and then later ultimately the purchase of

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Speaker 5: We did something like that. We didn't. That was what

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Speaker 4: And you know, he didn't grow up like a like

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Speaker 4: but he had that great work ethic.

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Speaker 5: His dad and mom gave him that gift.

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Speaker 4: And I you know, I've been around a lot of

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Speaker 4: but I don't think i've ever I've ever known anyone

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Speaker 4: I just knew he could find a way. It wasn't easy,

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of the way we've lived our entire

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this about Gene. We had outstanding teams

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Speaker 3: The day of the game, I would dress up, I'd

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Speaker 3: tuition was about one hundred and twenty dollars a semester.

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Speaker 3: I was making four hundred dollars a football game. And

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Speaker 3: the coach used to say, is Jones in yet? And

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Speaker 1: Cut did you give the girls who gave you the tickets?

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Speaker 3: Well, I gave them the dollars.

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Speaker 5: You know, every student could buy a ticket for a dollar.

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Speaker 5: He didn't want to do it if they had a concern.

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Speaker 2: So well, I was gonna say, Mom, I always called

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Speaker 5: Okay, I love it.

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Speaker 5: I knew that was his dream from the beginning.

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Speaker 4: We weren't in Dallas a year now, Charlotte and Charlotte

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Speaker 4: learn together. And then when Jerry graduated, he followed. And

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Speaker 3: That was Texas. Otherwise, somebody from Texas would have stepped

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Speaker 3: But this effort was truly not only from the great players,

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Speaker 1: Any time when you let everybody know you drinking a.

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Speaker 3: in you. That's been a little month, phlosophy.

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Speaker 1: So what was this period of your lives like? Like

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Speaker 3: on a commercial plane, and so boy, it was all free,

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00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: free ride up, get to stay in a hotel. Let's

440
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: go up be on the Today Show. We get up

441
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: there and go in this room that you put us

442
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 3: in over near Times Square, and she starts crying, serious,

443
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: real tears coming out. And she looked over to me

444
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: and looked around that room and it smelled like it

445
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: needed to be on Times Square and looked that way too,

446
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: and She was crying and said, you really have you

447
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 3: spent all the money to buy the Cowboys? You really did,

448
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: didn't You thought you were kidding?

449
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 4: Well, And I should have known that it was gonna

450
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 4: be a little hard time because when we were down

451
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 4: here while he was negotiating with bum Bright, Charlotte and

452
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: I had been here and we were staying at the

453
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: mansion and we were out shopping for her condominium in Washington,

454
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: d C.

455
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 5: We were just having such a good time.

456
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 4: The day that bum Bright brought me Jerry call and

457
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: said I want you to come down and meet mister Bright.

458
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 5: It was just great.

459
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: He said, Gene, welcome to the Dallas Cowboys or the

460
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 4: new owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Well it sounded great,

461
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 4: and he was such a nice gentleman, and we went

462
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: over to his house and his wife. Then we came

463
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: back and the next morning we moved out to the

464
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 4: Holiday Inn by the airport, and we had a curtain

465
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 4: that separated our bed from the meeting room with all

466
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: the lawyers and the trump board and the mansion. Yeah,

467
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: I think our life has changed a little bit. And

468
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 4: all of Dallas get no one like you were giving

469
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 4: us a hard time. They didn't like Jerry at that time.

470
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 5: He had to prove to him that he's a good guy.

471
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: You know.

472
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: As a business owner, myself like to hear the story

473
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: because I always admire the fact of not just the football,

474
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: the family and the football, but the business aspect of

475
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: this that you just you know, Jerry used to always say,

476
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: you know, you got to join, You got to get

477
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: in the arena, you gotta join the fight. So joining

478
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: the fight's not Jerry joining the fight. You had to

479
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: firmly buy into this. I did, how long did it

480
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: take you to buy into this?

481
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 5: Immediately?

482
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 4: I was like that I knew how much he wanted it,

483
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: and our kids we all said, well, you know, we

484
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 4: can do this, and so we always did things as

485
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 4: a family. And I think Jerry and I both have

486
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: admitted we knew that his dad was really not going

487
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: to let us not have food on the table, and

488
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: my dad was the same way. Came from a banking

489
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: family in a very small town, but we lived a

490
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: really good life and never worried about important things of

491
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 4: people that really are destitute. So I never dreamed that

492
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 4: would ever happen to us, and it never did. And

493
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: I just knew Jerry could he would.

494
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: Find his way along those lines on that story. Before

495
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: I had my last visit with Jimmy Johnson when we

496
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: changed coaches. Uh, I met my mother and dad in

497
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: Hot Springs, Arkansas. Uh uh went over and uh they

498
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: were together, and I sat down with both of 'em

499
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: and I said, uh, you know, UH what's wrong here?

500
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: Why why am I thinking about making this change? And

501
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: cause I respected both of them so much on their advice,

502
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: and uh my dad said, well, Jerry, you you've got

503
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: to you should make this w go. You got so

504
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: much more things that you're gonna have challenges by and

505
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: you need to figure out a way to get through that.

506
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: And I said, well, you know, uh, Dad, I don't

507
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: like what I see in the mirror. Bothered me what

508
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: I see. So we're uh sitting there, uh visiting and

509
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: talking uh about uh going forward. And that was a

510
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: sensitive time there because we'd won two Super Bowls on

511
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: top and I actually was thinking this thing is gonna

512
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: work financially. I didn't know for the first four or

513
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: five years if we were gonna have to go back

514
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: to where we came from. I really didn't at all.

515
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: And then when some things started happening, good and some

516
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: other things that we got going. They were pretty contentious

517
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: with the league, but we had a lot of criticism

518
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: going on, not just lawsuits, but a lot of criticism

519
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: coming in. That really emboded me. And it was felt

520
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: like herschel Walker running through and they just bouncing off

521
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: of you. But I looked over and I was worried

522
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: about my family, as we any of us would be.

523
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: So at that meeting in Hot Springs, I told my dad.

524
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: I said, Dad, you you know there's no way i'd

525
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: be here. There's no way i'd have the Cowboys if

526
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: it weren't for you and all that you've given me

527
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: and what you've meant to me. He said, all Jerry, Jerry,

528
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let you go there.

529
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 5: Now.

530
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: You're not gonna go that far, said Dad. Dad, listen

531
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: to me closely. Without you, I wouldn't have you, See Dad,

532
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: most men in my shoes also have to worry when

533
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: they mess it up and they don't have any money,

534
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: who's gonna take care of the kids and send them

535
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: to school, and who's gonna try to help out as

536
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: far as the whole family is concerned. Now, I never

537
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: talked to you about it, but I really did know

538
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: that you were there if I really messed this thing up. Yes,

539
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: you did help me buy the Cowboys. I never talked

540
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: to you, but I relied on as you went through,

541
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: and that would have happened. Well, a lot of men

542
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: and women don't have that kind of backup. There's product

543
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: of being raised through the Salvation Army out in Phoenix,

544
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: and that caused me to be able to cut and

545
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: shoot a little bit, and we're confident and kind of

546
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: felt like that I could work out of problems, just

547
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: a little edge over the competition that was out there. Yeah, Daddy,

548
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: you big reason I got to Cowboys.

549
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: You've talked about how emotional watching the documentary was for you.

550
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: Was it an emotional experience for Eugene?

551
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: Now, I really wasn't for doing that documentary in the beginning.

552
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: I just knew that was a really difficult time in

553
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 4: our life and I really didn't want to relive all

554
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: of that because it was not We all want put

555
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: on a happy face and we're strong and we can

556
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: do it. And I felt that way during that time

557
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: that we could do it. But looking back on it,

558
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: it was really scary, and I was worried about about

559
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: Jerry because boy, I knew he couldn't fail. I knew

560
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: he'd find a way, but he had to go through

561
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: a lot to make it happen. And our kids, they're

562
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: the ones that cried all during the documentary because they

563
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: they were young and they really didn't realize just exactly

564
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: how tough that was for both of us.

565
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you what. Probably, let's say Jimmy and I.

566
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: Had I not had those feelings that, boy, I'm dancing

567
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: with the devil here, this thing could get hard, it

568
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: could get it caused me to really think about things

569
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: so that I lost my tolerance for what would have

570
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: been there had it been a lot easier, had I

571
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: not felt and gone through that stuff. And I mean,

572
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: whether you got up or didn't get up, you had

573
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: thirty thousand dollars a day, that's one thousand dollars an hour.

574
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: Whether you hung over or get up or not, that's

575
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: going out the door. And so you had to go,

576
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 3: like yesterday to address that and make that go. And

577
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 3: by the way, there wasn't templates in place to handle that,

578
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: because nobody had done that in sporting, done it in

579
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: the NFL. Had I not had that happened, I think

580
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: that I would have had more tolerance for the kinds

581
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: of things that Jimmy and I were working through there

582
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: when he was coach of a team that had done

583
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: zo super There's no doubt in my mind, but I

584
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: had lost all tolerance. And uh so when I saw

585
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: something that would normally not have been as big a thing,

586
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: I let it be a big thing and I was

587
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: able to say we'll just go on.

588
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: M Yeah, what what prompted? What were the toughest subjects

589
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: for you to see yourself in that documentary?

590
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: I think that looking back on it, that opening, Uh

591
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: when we came in and I'd been down to see

592
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: coach Landry and told him that we were going forward

593
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: without him. Uh, I think that scene and how how

594
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: my mind was I was going to get a chance

595
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: to be involved in pro football and the NFL and

596
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: without even consideration for all the other things around me.

597
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: By the way, I was advised by probably the finest

598
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: PR advisors in the nation, Hill Knowlton out of Washington,

599
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: and they advised me to go see coach Landry myself

600
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: rather than let mister Bride who wanted to do it,

601
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: and said, that's my job. I need to let him

602
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: know that he's gonna leave with the coach. Jerry, you

603
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: don't need to do that. You need to come in

604
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: with a brighter spot than letting coach Landry go. My

605
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: advisors and I said, be a man, let's go talk

606
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: to it, Let's go down and visit with him. Well,

607
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: that would one that lived in infamy if one of

608
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: the biggest mistakes have been made in pr in sports.

609
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: As it goes now, reminding of that, now, that's so

610
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: far back you can't even see it, hadn't dwelled on

611
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: it in years and years and years. Yet when this

612
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 3: documentary came up, boy, it was right there as real

613
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: as if it had just happened. Men, kind of real

614
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 3: right now talking about it.

615
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: How many conversations coming into this, How many conversations were

616
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: being had at its bedside? This is your wife. You

617
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: were bringing a lot of this pressure home. How many

618
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: of these conversations are being had at night, just advice

619
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: from Jeane, just bouncing back and forth on direction.

620
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: Well, Jene has always not like my parents, but I

621
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: knew she was there. For instance, she's never here. We

622
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: are going on thirty five years, missed one game pre

623
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: season or not been at all of them. And been

624
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: there as the if you will, the host. Anybody's ever

625
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: been to a game, whether dollars, cowboys, knows boy, I'll

626
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: bring them out to come to that game, and we

627
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: want to talk to them and make them feel like

628
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 3: that they're president of the United States when they're there. Well, hello,

629
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: that's miss Jean, And that's part of what goes on

630
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: with it. Having said that, I never got into dollars

631
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: and cents with my family with her, so she might

632
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: have watched me pull up and not do it because

633
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: I didn't have the money. But she also has been

634
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: in this thing since we've been together, when she knew

635
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: I didn't have the money and I didn't pull up

636
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: and I bought it anyway. And so I've always thought

637
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: that that was a little bit of my role that

638
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: since we weren't going to be looking for just holding

639
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: hands to get out of this jam, that I wouldn't

640
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: burden her with they're about to pick the car up

641
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: for the mortgage is about to as she did get

642
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: exposed early right out of college when I just was

643
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: totally underwater quickly, she did get exposed when they would

644
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: grab her purse and take those credit cards out and

645
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: cut them into right in front of her as she's

646
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: coming out there where we lived. So it wasn't like

647
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: she didn't really understand that there was some issues involved.

648
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: And there were ups and down times during that time.

649
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: But listen, this thing was a was a roll of

650
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: the dice and a big one. And I was too

651
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: blinded by my wanting to be involved in the future

652
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: of sport and NFL. I wanted, I really wanted to

653
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: spend my life hanging out with you. Ed I'm serious,

654
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: I'm not being funny. I was around it in college

655
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: and around some great guys and some of them that

656
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: said Jones played like you know what and all that stuff.

657
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: Was around all of that and Darren, my gosh, I

658
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: wanted to hang with you. I didn't know who you were,

659
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: but that's how I wanted to live my life. I

660
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: can get up and be invobbed with. Was those kinds

661
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: of men and what that was about. It was a

662
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 3: selfish thing, and that's why I gathered them up in Washington,

663
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: talked to them, and that's why I held them when

664
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: it was very selfish because I had it all down,

665
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: because I did have enough as light in the breeches

666
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: as I was to be buying the Cowboys. I did

667
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: have enough that they would have had a great life forever.

668
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: I had enough for that, and I shot the eyes

669
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: with that.

670
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: What about what were like we talked about the big themes,

671
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: the big stories. What was something in your mind that

672
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: was missing from the documentary? Is there anything that?

673
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 3: Oh, there were some things in there with Switcher that

674
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: I would like to have seen. They touched on them,

675
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: but they could have had more there. Certainly they missed

676
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff with Jimmy that were positive things.

677
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: We just can't get it all in.

678
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: Too much has happened.

679
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: Barry was magnificent, and I know that's not Popper because

680
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 3: he did bring him across the Red River here to Texas,

681
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: and I know that. But Barry did something that was

682
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: in my mind almost an impossible task as he and

683
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: Darren has of course first hand experience of knowing that.

684
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: And the reason I can say that is because I

685
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: knew and know of before and since what Barry was about. Now.

686
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: The documentary touched on it, touched on it a lot.

687
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: But what you can't say sometimes through that medium is

688
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: that's what he really really was and he had such

689
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: a big heart. But true to what we all love.

690
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: Barry is the one guy that you want with you

691
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 3: in a dark alley when you're on the wrong side

692
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: of town, a dark side. He's rough as a cob

693
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: now and he'll turn it on, but he doesn't act

694
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: like that. He would his coaching staff would be out

695
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: at the office and he'd call him in and he'd say,

696
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: you know, we've got three women out here and they're

697
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 3: trying as hard to win as you are. And I've

698
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: noticed some of you guys may be a little lax

699
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: and how nice you talk or how you talk about

700
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: to them. Talk like that where it's tough out with

701
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: the players, don't do that with these women. They're trying

702
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: to help you and help me in whatever you. Let's

703
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: traighten it up around here. Very get those nuances of

704
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: life in every way. There is so anyway enough about that,

705
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: But I'd like to have seen a little more there.

706
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: It was there for him to get if they had

707
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: gotten that.

708
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Barry told us a great story about how you hired him.

709
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: You had the big press conference and the second day

710
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: he was on the job, you told him you were

711
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: ripping up his contract and he thought he's getting fired,

712
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: but you were giving him a new contract. And when

713
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: he asked you why, he said, you told him because

714
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned looking at the man in the mirror that

715
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: was that day was the first time in a long

716
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: time you looked in the mirror and liked what you

717
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: saw back.

718
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: Well, he's right. If Barry ever says it to you,

719
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: it is the truth to the period being dotted. There's

720
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 3: no there's no fixing it up for Barry. But Barry

721
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: has some of the greatest stories told about him you've

722
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: ever seen, and they're all very giving stories about how

723
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: he has helped people. So we were all through with

724
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: his agreement and I said, now, Barry, you're known for

725
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: having your fingers and a lot of businesses and he's

726
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: renowned for it. And he did a good job there too.

727
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: Barry and Jimmy are both genius. I QS, just so

728
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: we're all clear here. They're very smart people. And I said, Barry,

729
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: have you got business that's going to take some of

730
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: your time that shouldn't be from the Dallas Cowboys. Have

731
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: you got some things that you can't handle? He said, Jerry,

732
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: you've been generous, and he said I can cover it.

733
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: And I said, well, give me an example, and he said, well,

734
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: I've got this place, this bank that I paid twelve

735
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 3: thousand a month to. I said, that seems a little

736
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: it seems like it might get your attention a little

737
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: more rather than looking at how they in the tackling drills,

738
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: how it's going on over there. So I called the

739
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: banker on the phone. He gave me the number, and

740
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: the banker got emotional, and I said, I'm Jerry Jones

741
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: with the Cowboys. Barry's the coach, and I want to

742
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: pay off on his note. And he said, every time

743
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: he sends me that twelve thousand each month, I get

744
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 3: emotional because it wasn't even Barry didn't even get the money.

745
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: He signed it for a trusted friend and he put

746
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: it you know where, And Barry's paying at all at

747
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: that particular time. That's very kind of So anyway, I

748
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: looked on him and I said, Mary, we're gonna pay

749
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: that off at your signing bonus. I wouldn't have done

750
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: that had I not known that he has a litany

751
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: of stories like that from all walks of life that

752
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: follow him around. And so that makes you when you've

753
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: got somebody's live a life like that, they need a

754
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: bonus from time to time. But now that's kind of

755
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: guy that you'd like to be around right there to

756
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: go through the tough stuff.

757
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk about we can't we can't end this,

758
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: and we're going on an hour here, we can't end

759
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: this without One of the biggest focal points of the

760
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: entire series was the break up with Jimmy. So let

761
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: me ask you, since I did, I was directly involved,

762
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: and you invited me to be directly involved, why did

763
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: you grab me by the pants leg that night in

764
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Orlando and tell me not to leave without missing the

765
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: biggest story of the year, which was you were going

766
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: to fire Jimmy Johnson.

767
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: Well, candidly, ed, I do remember that like it was yesterday,

768
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: and frankly it has been couched a lot of ways,

769
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 3: but certainly nothing had happened that night relative to walking

770
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: up to a table to toast the Super Bowl, or

771
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: me saying that in a bar what have you? Much

772
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: much much deeper still, maybe not warranted, but much deeper

773
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: than that. It wouldn't have been done on that slide

774
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: of slide of issues. But I had thought for quite

775
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: a while that we had kind of slipped away from

776
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: really a picture that I had, and here we are

777
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: as a miracle that we came in and we had

778
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: it happen. But I could have pictured Jimmy as Tom

779
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: Landry and been there for the next thirty years. A

780
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: matter of fact, when we signed his contract, which by

781
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: the way, we didn't get around to do it until

782
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: months after he had been there, nothing was written and

783
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: he left, the University of Miami came in, we made

784
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: all these changes, and there was no contract with him,

785
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: and when we got it all done, sat down there

786
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: and agreed upon. I reached over and signed the contract

787
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: myself personally, and I said, Jimmy, that Cowboys signature is

788
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: not worth the paper it's written on. They're broke. They

789
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: owe so much more than they're worth, because I know

790
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: I just have bought them, and I know what they're worth.

791
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: But I want to put that on the contract there,

792
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: because I want you to empty everything you got into

793
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: your bucket, because I certainly have and asking my family

794
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: and all of us, let's just go all in and

795
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: give it all out. I want you to do the

796
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: very same thing. Financially. You depend on me a little

797
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: bit here to make sure you get what your bargain

798
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: for and come out of here with least that if

799
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: we slip. Of course I didn't realize we'd slip right

800
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: out the gate. And when one football game, the first

801
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: the very first year, but great. The reason he was

802
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: the coach was because you could have that kind of

803
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: of not comfortable. This is the word. The whole show

804
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: was uncomfortable. There wasn't anybody needing some comfort level around

805
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: of having a buddy around because it was going to

806
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: be with some wrong turns here a mess, as my

807
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: dad said, he called about sixty days after we'd been in.

808
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: Bob said, Suh said, I just first of all, I

809
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 3: never dreamed you could do something like that. But secondly,

810
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: listen to me closely. You're a young man. You got

811
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: a lot of living to do. I don't care if

812
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 3: it works or not, but with mirror smoke, bayling wire

813
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: or something, if it don't work, you got to make

814
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: it look like it is working, or you'll be known

815
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: as a failure all over this country. I said, well, Dad,

816
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: you know how to get me going in the morning

817
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: with it. But again, that's a lot of me in

818
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 3: the mirror when you're hearing these stories talking about it.

819
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: But guess what, early that's where the stuff was coming from.

820
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 6: And you just.

821
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: There are the game, the football, the experiences that I've had,

822
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: plus not exactly growing up on the best, on the

823
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: real elite part of the side of the track. So

824
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: I knew tough times. I did no tough times, and

825
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 3: I do know football there's tough times, and so nothing

826
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: surprised me that it wasn't glory glory, glory every day

827
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: when we first got there. After we had done it though,

828
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 3: after we had a miracle had happened, and we had

829
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: won two super bowl and all of that, and then

830
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: to turn around and have something that was almost trite

831
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: in my mind, that's why you saw an over action

832
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: in changing the coach, There's no question about it.

833
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: You told a great story in the documentary about that,

834
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: about that period of time where Jerry just can't let

835
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: a good thing go.

836
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: Tell that story.

837
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 4: You know, we were all, I mean, everything was really

838
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: going pretty great and finally and when two super Bowls,

839
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 4: my goodness, what more can you ask for? So we're

840
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 4: all thrilled, and you I didn't realize that Jerry was

841
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 4: as torn about certain things that were going on between

842
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 4: he and Jimmy, and Jimmy had been a longtime friend

843
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: and not a close friend, but his wife and I

844
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: were in the pie Fie house together and so we

845
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 4: knew them as college to us. And then then Jerry

846
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 4: was with Jimmy through the years, helping him get a

847
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: job when he went to Oklahoma State. Jerry had people

848
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: that worked there and he recommended Jimmy is hard working,

849
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 4: a great talent, and he could do a good job

850
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: for him. And I really thought we were really everything

851
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: was going great. And I wake up and he doesn't

852
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: warn me at all. He doesn't tell me that's going

853
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 4: to happen. I knew the night that he talked to you,

854
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: but I still didn't think that was going to happen.

855
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: And I was just about ready to wring his neck

856
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 4: just about that time. Things are really going good. You

857
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 4: just can't leave it alone. You have to make us.

858
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: Talk. That was.

859
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 5: What I was like, Why have you done that?

860
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: What did you think when he told you? Was high?

861
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 3: And Barry?

862
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 4: Well, I loved Barry and Barry was at school with

863
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 4: us too, and we had some fun stories with Barry.

864
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: And he was a little bit older than Jerry.

865
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: So he was kind of a football what was he

866
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 4: an assistant coach during our college years?

867
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: Well, I let his car I blew his car. He's

868
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 3: got that in his book, But I didn't intentionally do it.

869
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 3: Did he name you in it? But let me tell

870
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: you I had. I took the car out of gear

871
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 3: to go over to date have a date with her

872
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: at after study hall, and I got in the wrong car,

873
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 3: and I took Barry's car out of gear. That was

874
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: parked on a slant about like that stadium down in

875
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: the valley down there, And this may be a half

876
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 3: a mile up. Well, I said, borried the car, and

877
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: I said, done more. And I looked over and there

878
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: was another green fifty five four. I'm looking at ken.

879
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: I said, well, maybe I got in the wrong car.

880
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: I go over get it, Go see Gen Tay call

881
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: go over there to do that. Three in the morning,

882
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: everybody's up in the whole arm, almost three hundred people.

883
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: They're all circled around. Barry's car had gotten loose on

884
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: the mountain, out of gear. How it missed thirty trees.

885
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: No one could ever know. You couldn't have driven it

886
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 3: as you've been driving it made it all the way

887
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: down to the last trees and hit one head on

888
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: and just demolished it. And of course we're three in

889
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: the morning and everybody in Berry's saying it's just gone

890
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: too far. He said, I'm bankrupt, he said, you idiots.

891
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: Of course he was carrying on and everybody was grin

892
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: you know it has gone or who would do that

893
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: to somebody and tear their car up like that? And

894
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: I turned off some ding, I said, green, I wonder

895
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: if that was that car. I got in and took

896
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: out a gear and I knew it was. And I tried,

897
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I tried to hold my hand up

898
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: and say coach. I tried to.

899
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 6: So it was almost fifteen years later that I told you,

900
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 6: that's why you gave him the new content. You put it,

901
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 6: and he put, well, that was content.

902
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: He needs that note. But so help me. I just

903
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: couldn't do it. Get it up there and say might

904
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: have been many I know you.

905
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: Want to ask about the painting, but I want to

906
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: ask one more question first. The most serious revelation that

907
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: was made in the documentary was about the health scare

908
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: that you had. And why did you reveal that other

909
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: than you wanted to tell a great anecdote about Jimmy.

910
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: But and what was that period of time like for

911
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: you in the family. Well, I really And if you

912
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it, that's over.

913
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: No, I don't mind talking about it and what we

914
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: both shared it and but talk about it because it

915
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: for me, one of reason has a great ending, fabulous ending.

916
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: Here we are, this has been seventeen years go and

917
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: I was getting a massage and on the back of

918
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: my arm there was a tumor or not and they said,

919
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 3: need to check it melanoma stage four. Then it was terminal.

920
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: It was H four was terminal at the time. And

921
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 3: of course, first of all, I've looked around and man,

922
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 3: I've had a great life, and aren't I glad that

923
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: we gosh, we like to die doing it, But aren't

924
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: I glad we did all of that? So that was

925
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 3: the first thing that came through my mind. Great life,

926
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: was I glad I'd spent it around my family and

927
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: allbody involved. All of that was good. But then we

928
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 3: also then got busy with Okay, what do you do

929
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 3: about it? Go see it? And the people said, Jerry,

930
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: you're fix of You are fixing a go over this

931
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: nation looking for an answer, and you should because there

932
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: might be one out there. But you're getting ready to

933
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 3: go on a journey here to get this done. We did,

934
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: and we went to the great M. D. Anderson down

935
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 3: there as one of the people that we talked to.

936
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: They recommended a trial, which is just a kind of

937
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: an experiment to see if something would work. And this

938
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: particular experiment was to inject into you energy for your

939
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: sea cells. Rather than be a little anemic and not

940
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: kill the cancer, it created some energy for them to

941
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: get together and go after the cancer. And so boy,

942
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: we made years and years of trips down there, got injections.

943
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 3: To this day, my thighs will swell up so tight

944
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: that these pants will get tight and will do it

945
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: maybe a couple of times a month, be as red

946
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: as a rose, tight, all of that, and doctors say, beautiful,

947
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 3: your sea cells are gathered to go get the cancer

948
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: cells because they're still in there, they're just not tumors.

949
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 3: And it was one of the great discoveries of time.

950
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 3: I can say this to everybody, and that's the reason

951
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 3: I'm really talking about it is they told me, then

952
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: someday there'll be a pill for this. We don't know when,

953
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: but it's coming fast. Well that's what they've done in

954
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: that world of cancer. And I'd say this to anybody

955
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: that's treating cancer, getting cancer, what have you. The word

956
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: is treating it, not curing it, because you don't have

957
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: to cure it. You can treat it and make sure

958
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: that you get it when it shows up. And that's

959
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 3: exactly what has happened over the next seventeen years of

960
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: my life. And they said, Jones, you're gonna get it,

961
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: all right, You're gonna go, but it won't be from

962
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: this cancer. It may be going out the wrong back window,

963
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: but it won't be from that. You'll probably get shot,

964
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 3: but you're not we're jacking around with a car on

965
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 3: the side of the hill, or Gene Gene will going

966
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: down through the mom You just stay away from that.

967
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: You stay away from that. Seriously, a great experience and

968
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: one that we loved to share. And consequently I've looked

969
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: now back at it, being involved in the documentary and

970
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: getting you to ask about it, what have you. That's

971
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: good because I'd love for people to they should be

972
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: more encouraged than they were fifteen years ago that because

973
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: they've got melanoma, tumors cancer. I had one cousin that

974
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: was Vietnam veteran, and so he could afford it and

975
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: it was right after they went public out of a trial.

976
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: Mine was a private trial. My cousin had six hundred

977
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: or more tumors in his chest heart. He took what

978
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: I've got and they went away.

979
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 5: They had given him like three months, three weeks.

980
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: Him three months. I took what I did and went away,

981
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: and he's now that's went away. And there's that's what

982
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: this does. And but of course that's typed as far

983
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: as treatment for types. But if you go family that

984
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 3: have those issues, and by the way, Ed, you've had

985
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: a life of someone that's so dear to you that

986
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: we've all rooted for all of our life too, that

987
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: didn't exactly get the best hand of cards on health.

988
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: And very jous your daughter, your daughter.

989
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: But to one point, I still ower a trip to

990
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: the super Bowl because you offered a flyer there and

991
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: I declined because for professional reasons. But I was stupid

992
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: enough to go tell her that you made this offer.

993
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: So now she thinks I owe her trip to the

994
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: super Bowl on a private plane.

995
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: I should have.

996
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: Call you.

997
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: She does deserve that.

998
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: But the bottom line is sports, sports interest in sports.

999
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: This is the area where you can see if you'll

1000
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 3: use that as a way to get these knowledge, this

1001
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: messages out. It's one of the things I think that

1002
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 3: what we all get to have a part of. Yeah, absolutely, well, I.

1003
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: Know we got to close it up.

1004
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,479
Speaker 1: I think you should ask about one question.

1005
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: We have to talk about this piece of art. Tell

1006
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: us the story behind this.

1007
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's called the Toss, and that's Norman Rockwell's most

1008
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: famous football work. Norman Rockwell, of course, was the great

1009
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: artist made famous by Saturday Evening post covers. He did

1010
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: many sports and many other facets of American life. He

1011
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: didn't do as much football, so you don't have as

1012
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: many football Norman Rockwell paintings. I hadn't been in Dallas

1013
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: with Cowboys but a couple of weeks and of all people,

1014
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: mister Ross Parole calls me and he said, Jerry, I'm

1015
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 3: sitting here with a lady that I want to come see.

1016
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 3: He said, I'm a big Norman Rockwell collector. And I

1017
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: told her the person that ought to have this Norman

1018
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: rock Will painting the Toss is the owner. It should

1019
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: be a part of the Dallas Cowboys because it's Norman Rockwell,

1020
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: the great illustrator of America. And I said, mister prow

1021
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: I said What an honor. I've never thought i'd even

1022
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 3: get to talk to you, But what an honor. But

1023
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: I said, to be candid, if I could were with me,

1024
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 3: my pockets would be turned inside out. I said, I

1025
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: don't have any money. I gave it all to just

1026
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 3: get my foot in the door with the Cowboys. And

1027
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: I weren't exactly thinking about and that's not that high

1028
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 3: on my list for a painting. And he said, come on,

1029
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: I want to send her over you ort I'm telling them,

1030
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: advising you ought to really take us. There's look at it.

1031
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 3: They of course come and we look at it. And

1032
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: of course I think about what he said, and he said,

1033
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: the providence of it where it was owned by whoever

1034
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: looks at it. In the future, it should be owned

1035
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 3: buying through the Dallas Cowboys, the greatest franchise. That's what

1036
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 3: he said, And so candidly, without using bad taste, I

1037
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: bought it a million one that I bought that painting

1038
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: for today. It's the most valuable painting of sports there

1039
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 3: is anywhere in the world. Over thirty million dollars that

1040
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: it's worth today. And actually I'm still in shock. It

1041
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: will always be with the Dallas Cowboys. And they'll always

1042
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 3: have that Ross pro story with it. Thank you, Ross,

1043
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, but we're honored to have it in

1044
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 3: the gallery here with a lot of other Line Decker

1045
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 3: paintings all football, all football oriented, the football, the fumble,

1046
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: all of a lot of those great paintings or illustrations

1047
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: of our game. I haven't had any fun own it.

1048
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Thank you guys for us inviting us

1049
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: here to do this, to see your beautiful home. And

1050
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: it's amazing when you listen to your story, how far

1051
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: you've come in life and you did it together.

1052
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: Should still be picking chicken.

1053
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,479
Speaker 1: She had her choice of people.

1054
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 3: You're lucky to be in the band. With the size

1055
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 3: of your instruments, you're lucky to be in the band.

1056
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: Remember that olden you know, pleasure