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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, joined in a virtual room
Speaker 1: till with some heroes, Mark Cecil, Gregg Rosenal, what's up police?
Speaker 1: I wish I was leaving wanting more. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: my wife says, why don't you go work a little more?
Speaker 1: I'm leaving them wanting more. Just to confirm I I can.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that's true. Is there more of
Speaker 1: an about face? And you you know you can see it?
Speaker 1: Right with this podcast. Mark used to talk about your
Speaker 1: young son saying is Daddy ever coming home? Now it's
Speaker 1: is Daddy ever leaving home? The answer is no. Right,
Speaker 1: we could see less of daddy and be thrilled with that,
Speaker 1: I think would be the answer. So yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's it's a tough time. I saw you celebrating the
Speaker 1: Dodgers World Series when with the kids outside they're jumping
Speaker 1: on board with some fireworks. That's good. Let your kids
Speaker 1: pick pick a winner for one way to go. That
Speaker 1: was a that was a good, that was a evening.
Speaker 1: It's good. Like if there's one thing to do, teach
Speaker 1: your children early about the fun associated with illegal fireworks
Speaker 1: celebrations during a drought in high wind conditions. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is weird. It's weird. You know, life is weird.
Speaker 1: It's almost like if you took if you took your
Speaker 1: home situation as youngish fathers of children and then you
Speaker 1: combine your entire work life and then put it in
Speaker 1: a house that's the size of the Potions postage stamp,
Speaker 1: it could lead to maybe madness right on the eve
Speaker 1: of Halloween here. So we're just put we're fighting through it,
Speaker 1: though we did it. We're halfway through the regular season almost. Um.
Speaker 1: And yes, this is the Week eight preview program. You
Speaker 1: could check out. Of course the recap of Thursday Night
Speaker 1: Football Falcons and Panther is, but this will give us
Speaker 1: a full rundown of everything to come on Sunday and Monday.
Speaker 1: And as everyone knows, we do a draft style and
Speaker 1: picking first. Yes, right, I'm excited about this one. I
Speaker 1: was gonna take this game no matter what. It's Steelers Ravens.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the best rivalry in the league
Speaker 1: unless you count the Seahawks forty niners, and we get
Speaker 1: that this week too, So it's a great week for rivalries,
Speaker 1: and it's a great week to kind of find out
Speaker 1: how different this Ravens team is. I love watching Lamar
Speaker 1: every week. You guys know that, so I'm happy to
Speaker 1: have this with the first pick. But I have to
Speaker 1: admit they're not the same Ravens this year, and I
Speaker 1: think this is the game we kind of find out,
Speaker 1: like how different are they? Because I don't think you
Speaker 1: can run on the Steeler. I know the Ravens will
Speaker 1: try to run, and they'll run fairly well, and Lamar
Speaker 1: will get his scrambles, but I think this is a
Speaker 1: game Lamar has gotta throw the ball over the top
Speaker 1: because that's how you beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Their secondary
Speaker 1: has had some problems this or their cornerbacks not playing
Speaker 1: nearly as well, and their run defense is just so good,
Speaker 1: and the Ravens rushing rushing offense hasn't been nearly the same.
Speaker 1: That it's got to be Lamar to the outside. It's
Speaker 1: gotta be what we heard in the off season in
Speaker 1: terms of speed, in terms of uh the outside throws,
Speaker 1: the marks Brown, Miles Boykin, I think has had a
Speaker 1: little juice Devin du Varney. There's been flashes they just
Speaker 1: haven't thrown the ball that much, and I think this
Speaker 1: is the week. If you're gonna beat the Steelers, it's
Speaker 1: gonna take a big time effort from Lamar as a thrower.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you, Greg, because I want to
Speaker 1: be more impressed with Baltimore's offense in general general than
Speaker 1: I have. Um may they beat in Cleveland a bad
Speaker 1: Houston team Washington since he and Philly and they got
Speaker 1: handled by the Chiefs. Now, I will look at that
Speaker 1: Eagles game and say, the one thing that is not
Speaker 1: a disappointment on any level is Baltimore's defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and Baltimore like second and third in dB O
Speaker 1: A on defense, and it looks like it. Baltimore adds
Speaker 1: Joanna Concoquated the mix, thank you will have that player too,
Speaker 1: Why not add him to the rotation here alongside clay
Speaker 1: As Campbell. I mean, Pittsburgh's offense has a lot of
Speaker 1: pick your poison scenario weapons to it, but Baltimore has
Speaker 1: thumped teams left and right on defense. So to me,
Speaker 1: this is a classic old school a f C North matchup.
Speaker 1: We know these teams, but I think this is the
Speaker 1: best Steelers team that we've had in a long time.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that they are so ultra powerful.
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is operating like coach of the year right now,
Speaker 1: So you know, I this is this is classic stuff.
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm gonna do something special right here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something special right here, and I don't
Speaker 1: even tell our producers about it. I'm locking up the
Speaker 1: Steelers and it's gonna be in Baltimore. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna take care of business. I'm telling you why this
Speaker 1: Steeler's team is a super Bowl team and waiting all right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's very interesting on the road. Is that's the gutsy lock.
Speaker 1: I like it, Mark and the Steelers. Geez, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make sense of last week's game because I want
Speaker 1: to just put a blanket over it and say, listen,
Speaker 1: they went down to Nashville and beat an undefeated team,
Speaker 1: but they were very lucky for that not to be
Speaker 1: an infamous loss for the Steelers. They were up twenty
Speaker 1: points in the third quarter and they needed bad Stephen
Speaker 1: Gaskowski to show up to save the day and and
Speaker 1: push that field goal wide right otherwise they're playing for
Speaker 1: overtime most likely and you know, we've talked about Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger on this podcast a lot. I think this is
Speaker 1: a big game for him too, because um, I was
Speaker 1: I was against you, Greg on your Big Breeze comparisons,
Speaker 1: and I still think that Roethlisberger obviously huge upgrade over
Speaker 1: what they had last year, but it's time for him
Speaker 1: to maybe step up his game. He should have been
Speaker 1: able to put away the Titans last week. I didn't
Speaker 1: like the way their offense played in the second half
Speaker 1: last week. So this is a tough assignment for him though.
Speaker 1: And the in Gokway acquisition by the Ravens is a
Speaker 1: big one because now you could bookend him with Matthew
Speaker 1: jude On and now they're gonna be able to potentially
Speaker 1: get to a guy like Roethlisberger without having to blitch,
Speaker 1: which is the Baltimore way to get to pass. And
Speaker 1: we know Big Ben goes down for a lot of sacks. Right.
Speaker 1: I want to explain my big Breeze things, so I've
Speaker 1: been calling that it's a stylistic thing. I'm saying big
Speaker 1: breezes like like good breeze two thousand, nineteen eighteen seventeen breeze.
Speaker 1: There even earlier. But you watch that game last week, Dan,
Speaker 1: what were the drives that were successful? It was like
Speaker 1: fifteen plays sixty three yards, eleven plays seventy two yards,
Speaker 1: those sort of short passes where you're counting on your
Speaker 1: receivers to make plays after the catch, and they've got
Speaker 1: the right receivers for it, and so I think it's smart.
Speaker 1: He's just not. They're just not the bombs away Steelers
Speaker 1: offense that they were, but they've been pretty effective. You're right, though,
Speaker 1: this is by far their toughest test. But I like
Speaker 1: a quick passing offense against this Ravens pass rush, like
Speaker 1: that's how you gotta beat him. And Mark mentioned how
Speaker 1: you know that the Ravens haven't played anyone any good defense.
Speaker 1: The Steelers really haven't either, including last week. Titans are
Speaker 1: in a great defense. So this is easily the steelers
Speaker 1: offenses biggest test this year. Let's let's pick this game obsolutely,
Speaker 1: know Mark is, what do you got? Greg? I took
Speaker 1: the Steelers too on the old game picks. Check them out.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of respect for the Ravens. You know this.
Speaker 1: I don't know. This one feels like maybe it is
Speaker 1: even against the top defense. Maybe Lamar Jackson reminds people
Speaker 1: why he's a special player and and gets Hollywood Brown
Speaker 1: involved with some deep strikes. I like the Ravens holding
Speaker 1: court at home and handing the Steelers their first loss.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun, all right. The draft turns to
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler coming off. Oh, I mean that lock. I'm
Speaker 1: still in a state of shock. I'm excited locking up
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Who would have seen it? Okay, here we
Speaker 1: go or the Steelers. I actually locked up the Steelers
Speaker 1: and let's not go ahead. You're alright? So I love
Speaker 1: this second pick because I don't see a big drop
Speaker 1: off from the first game. And and Greg, you mentioned
Speaker 1: this rivalry weekend here in week eight, and look at
Speaker 1: this San Francisco and the Seattle Seahawks. That's where I'm going.
Speaker 1: You know how I do this thing. I'm about two
Speaker 1: hundred and seven pages in to a pamphlet. I'm writing
Speaker 1: about Kyle Shanahan, who I think is the best coach
Speaker 1: in the league in coaching around injury. Pamphlet, if it's
Speaker 1: going to be that at this point, that's a buck.
Speaker 1: It's over two. Like a pamphlet feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: like Edgy and kind of political and disturbing. And that's
Speaker 1: where I let's what I feel about Kyle Shanahan. He
Speaker 1: is all those things, and I just I I love
Speaker 1: this the way that he handles injuries. I mean they
Speaker 1: have been battered. I mean right up there with the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and yet you watched them last week. He's got a
Speaker 1: third string running back Jeff Wilson running for a hundred
Speaker 1: plus yards. Jeff Wilson goes out and hey, sorry, New England,
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring undrafted Jim Michael Hasty and he's gonna
Speaker 1: run for six point three yards per carry. This offense,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's not a secret they're passing game
Speaker 1: is originates off the run game. I think that Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: he's been doing this for years, his father did. It
Speaker 1: makes life as easy as possible on the quarterback. I
Speaker 1: just think that this offense, no matter who's in there,
Speaker 1: he maximizes guys. And I mean, what coach in the
Speaker 1: league does a better job of using his fullback thanky
Speaker 1: than Kyle Shanahan and Kyle use Check. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because they have the same name, there's some
Speaker 1: affinity there, but I love every little part of this
Speaker 1: Niners offense, and I you know, they they have a
Speaker 1: lot Deebo Samuel's out at this point. He's not looking,
Speaker 1: he's not healthy, but they find a way. And I
Speaker 1: think that they are literally the better team in Seattle.
Speaker 1: They just have not been healthy. I really do. I
Speaker 1: think that they're there four and three and there in
Speaker 1: last place in the best division in football. But this story,
Speaker 1: this story is not yet over. For some that is
Speaker 1: a bit of an about face because you have been
Speaker 1: leading the Seahawks are unstoppable train, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: now you're saying the Niners are a better team. That's
Speaker 1: pretty I just think we'll be seeing the Niners at
Speaker 1: full power. I mean, the Niners have been very banged up.
Speaker 1: You put all their parts in place, and they've got
Speaker 1: a better defense than Seattle, and they can do a
Speaker 1: lot with their offense. I think Mark's right. You know,
Speaker 1: the forty Niners best right now is better than the
Speaker 1: Seahawks is best. The forty Niners are one of only
Speaker 1: two teams in the NFL that are top eight in
Speaker 1: d v o A on offense and defense. It's the
Speaker 1: Bucks and it's the forty Niners. The fact they've done
Speaker 1: it with all these injuries. Yes, it's a credit to
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, but they're they're also like a really top
Speaker 1: end team, whereas the Seahawks every week they have to
Speaker 1: sweat out that defense, and they've they've matched up pretty
Speaker 1: well with the forty Niners in the past. But it's
Speaker 1: like they're letting rest rust Cook and that's great and
Speaker 1: I and I know like the fans love it, but
Speaker 1: I if I was a Seahawks fan, I'd be like, Man,
Speaker 1: I wish they let rust Cook when we had a
Speaker 1: defense because this is the worst Pete Carroll defense we've
Speaker 1: ever seen. And it's and I know they bring in
Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlop, He's not gonna be available this week. That
Speaker 1: is a good risk rewards scenario. But with Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: you know, still up in the air and the secondary,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. They're the worst passing rush
Speaker 1: team in the league in terms of getting pressure and
Speaker 1: if you can't pressure Garoppolo even with Deebo Samuel, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Mark, I think the forty Niners will be
Speaker 1: able to move the ball well, the forty Niners be
Speaker 1: able to stop Seattle, probably not and that's why it
Speaker 1: should be such a fun game. Yeah. Well no, I
Speaker 1: mean I've been saying this from the start. You may
Speaker 1: remember while everybody was singing praises and Osana's about the
Speaker 1: Seahawks as like, but they have the worst defense and
Speaker 1: the only way that's going to continue. They're not just
Speaker 1: gonna go sixteen or all because everyone loves the way
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is playing for their fantasy teams. No, you
Speaker 1: need to actually play balanced football. And what we saw
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, which I thought was interesting, was and
Speaker 1: that loss of the Cardinals when Russell Wilson actually did
Speaker 1: finally get some pressure and his play dropped just a
Speaker 1: little bit with the interceptions and unable to move the
Speaker 1: ball at the end of the fourth quarter in overtime,
Speaker 1: you see what happens when Seattle doesn't have that safety
Speaker 1: net of of let Russ Cook and they blew a
Speaker 1: lead and then they lost in overtime. So yeah, Seattle
Speaker 1: is major issues that was covered up by a five
Speaker 1: and oh start and the Niners. Yeah I I I'm
Speaker 1: with you, eyes. I think when it comes down to
Speaker 1: it with with Shanahan and the scheme is just so sound.
Speaker 1: I like that it doesn't really matter what their players
Speaker 1: situation is with the injuries. It's like, we know, for instance,
Speaker 1: against the Patriots, we are going to run the football.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run the football, We're gonna use play action.
Speaker 1: They did it on their snaps, which is the most
Speaker 1: by any team this season, and it's still gonna work
Speaker 1: even if Jeff Wilson is running the ball. So yeah,
Speaker 1: uh do I think they win in Seattle? Though, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. That's it's a big test
Speaker 1: because they are despite everything I just said. And you
Speaker 1: guys just said, you know, Nick bos is not coming back,
Speaker 1: you know, Deebo Samuel we said is out. This team
Speaker 1: is banged up, and that I think this is a
Speaker 1: coin flip game. I really do it is. And I
Speaker 1: mean I say, I think the a concept of home
Speaker 1: field advantage that this season is it's very different than usual.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like the idea of going into
Speaker 1: a hostile environment in a normal year, but it's like
Speaker 1: you're stirring in a bunch of empty seats. So this
Speaker 1: is this is not the same situation for San Francisco.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, it's hard to take an air
Speaker 1: take an airplane trip north. That's the that's the biggest
Speaker 1: problem there. One of the final subplot for you in
Speaker 1: this game, it's it's Fred Warner, my guy who I
Speaker 1: think is the Defensive Player of the Year candidate, coming
Speaker 1: in and taking the middle linebacker belt from Bobby Wagoner.
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner has had it three or four years, He's
Speaker 1: a future Hall of Famer. Warner shows up, he swipes
Speaker 1: it from all right, that's that's fair. And since we're
Speaker 1: loving the Niners this week, my favorite SoundBite from week eight,
Speaker 1: let's play it back right now, courtesy of the Great
Speaker 1: George Kittle. Yeah, I mean football is a violent sport
Speaker 1: and if you don't kind of go to that dark
Speaker 1: place to be violent, um and be physical, you're you're
Speaker 1: not gonna last very long. And uh, Coachan always talks about,
Speaker 1: you know, find the dark place, so longer I've been here,
Speaker 1: and the more Kyle talks about it, the more there's
Speaker 1: everybody kind of goes to that dark place. And like
Speaker 1: I said, it's a violent game. And it's just it's
Speaker 1: fun to be a part of a team with a
Speaker 1: bunch of psychopaths because I fit in really well here.
Speaker 1: How do you. How do you not like George Kittle?
Speaker 1: And how can you not root for the Niners? Let's
Speaker 1: get a w San Francis gona be move on? What
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? What a match up? And
Speaker 1: to do that is going a very special guest? What now? Why?
Speaker 1: What is going on here? Who is that? What is lost? Like?
Speaker 1: If I get lost? What am I doing in? Here?
Speaker 1: Is the sticks? What is this? It's Daniel jeremiahs What
Speaker 1: is this? What has happened? Look? I told you guys, Dan, Dan, Dan,
Speaker 1: We talked about this. I said I would agree to
Speaker 1: come on. You guys ask me this every week. I said,
Speaker 1: I will agree to come on, but not with Greg.
Speaker 1: If Greg's gonna be on, I'm not coming on. I'll
Speaker 1: come on with Mark, I'll come on with Wes, I'll
Speaker 1: come on any other cast of characters you have. But
Speaker 1: I hear I get here and here's Greg. So let's
Speaker 1: set the table here if people are not aware and
Speaker 1: we want to get to Chargers Broncos where, of course,
Speaker 1: Move the Sticks does the color analysis with Matt Money
Speaker 1: uh every game for Charges Radio. But there is an
Speaker 1: issue here between our podcast and the Move the Sticks podcast.
Speaker 1: There always has been but things have really heated up
Speaker 1: on Twitter in recent days. Let's check out the tweet.
Speaker 1: This one was sent out by Greg It's awkward that
Speaker 1: moved the sticks will announce every game of Herbert's Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame career, knowing he ranked Ross Blacklock, Andrew Thomas,
Speaker 1: and seventeen others ahead of Justin and Herbert, the rookie
Speaker 1: sensation for the Chargers, to which move the sticks replies,
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I'm the happiest guy in the world to
Speaker 1: be wrong about this one. Also to celebrate how well
Speaker 1: he's playing, I bought you a little something, Greg. I
Speaker 1: mean that is that's a little lot of bounds. So
Speaker 1: it got personal, Greg, and uh, but you know in
Speaker 1: another way, you kind of took a shot at him
Speaker 1: personally as well. I mean, how is what happened? How
Speaker 1: this is what happened? This is what happened, This is
Speaker 1: what this is what happened. Dan, Okay, let's let's go
Speaker 1: to the to the back east where you guys will
Speaker 1: be familiar with this and alogy I got Van Gundy. Okay,
Speaker 1: me and Dan are involved in a big fight and
Speaker 1: then here comes Greg grabbing onto my leg and tries
Speaker 1: to Van Gundy me you know, I'm like, I wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting that. I'm thinking this is gonna be like a
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley type fight. And now I've got I've got
Speaker 1: a little pest grabbing onto my lady. Second, Greg has
Speaker 1: way better hair than Jeff Van Gundy in fairness, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like an inch taller than Van Gundi.
Speaker 1: DJ I noticed with your response and with your little
Speaker 1: slippers thing, It's like, no one tried to argue the
Speaker 1: point um that I made in my in my tweet
Speaker 1: that you are gonna be called this guy an all
Speaker 1: time legend. You're like, no, if I would have taken
Speaker 1: black block, I mean that's me. I'm the NFL Draft X.
Speaker 1: First of all, taking black block over Herbert. First of all,
Speaker 1: Greg has become what all of us to test. He's
Speaker 1: a headline reader, so he reads the headline. He looks
Speaker 1: at the ring as he doesn't read the reports. Let
Speaker 1: me go back. Let me go back and read you
Speaker 1: the report here. This is a justin Herbert report. Okay,
Speaker 1: Herbert has exceptional size, mobility, and arm strength. Quick feeting
Speaker 1: is set up, bounced on his toes. Once he gets
Speaker 1: the top of his drop is most could be a
Speaker 1: little robotic at times when the ball comes out with
Speaker 1: tight and high RPMs. Has a big arm, but his
Speaker 1: placement is a little inconsistent. His front side will fly
Speaker 1: open at times, impacting his accuracy. That can be corrected.
Speaker 1: He has shown the ability touch up the ball underneath
Speaker 1: and makes some impressive throws on the run. He's a
Speaker 1: good runner, build speed, He's effective on the road, reads
Speaker 1: biggest area, and needs to improve his lack of anticipation.
Speaker 1: He waits too long to cut it loose. According to
Speaker 1: everyone Oregan work ethic character off the charts, and here
Speaker 1: it is Greg Overall, Herbert has some special physical tools,
Speaker 1: but needs to play with less caution and learn to
Speaker 1: embrace and intacking mentality. So that's exactly what Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: has done. That was the correction that needed to be made.
Speaker 1: And hats off to Justin, Hats off to the Chargers
Speaker 1: because he's taken what he was in Oregon and he's
Speaker 1: he's improved on it. You're just reading headlines. Let me
Speaker 1: jump in and play Devil's advocate. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get in the middle of this. Oh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be tough for you to play devil's advocate here stretch
Speaker 1: stretch roll, but DJ the fact that you ranked him
Speaker 1: a little further back in the pack, and you know
Speaker 1: you weren't alone. There are a lot of people that
Speaker 1: had some doubts, minor doubts. If you thought those were
Speaker 1: easily correctable flaws are things that could be corrected immediately,
Speaker 1: he would have been near the top of the class.
Speaker 1: You have to be surprised, especially getting the front row view,
Speaker 1: to be how incredible he's been right out of the gate.
Speaker 1: How did this happen? Well, first of all, like I
Speaker 1: I was, I was in responding to Greg, I said,
Speaker 1: it made me the happiest person in world, because, trust me,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're assigned to a team and you
Speaker 1: work for a team to call sixteen games a year,
Speaker 1: you want to have somebody to be fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And this, this team with Tyrod Taylor, was going to
Speaker 1: be very conservative, play low scoring games, kind of rely
Speaker 1: on your defense. That's fine, but this has turned into
Speaker 1: one of the more dynamic and explosive offenses. Uh, courtesy
Speaker 1: of Justin Herbert and the thing the lessons that you
Speaker 1: learn and this is you know, on the scouting side
Speaker 1: of things, you're gonna make these types of mistakes every
Speaker 1: single year, so you try and figure out what can
Speaker 1: you learn from it. And one of the things I
Speaker 1: thought of was when you have a when you're playing
Speaker 1: for a coach that's either a defensive minded college coach
Speaker 1: or an offensive line head coach, which Mario Cristobal was,
Speaker 1: sometimes you can tend to try and rein in some
Speaker 1: of your quarterback play. You don't want turnover is you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run the ball, play great defense,
Speaker 1: so you can, for lack of a better phrase, you
Speaker 1: can take a little bit of their stinger away, like
Speaker 1: just be a little bit more cautious, a little more conservative.
Speaker 1: It worked, I mean, and that's no shot at Mario
Speaker 1: Cristo ball. I mean, the guy won the pack twelve
Speaker 1: and won the rose ball. It's a formula that works.
Speaker 1: But I made the note to myself next time, when
Speaker 1: you see a guy that's that big athletic, uh, smart, tough, competitive,
Speaker 1: While maybe some of the gaps aren't filled in, let's
Speaker 1: you know, just be smart about it and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think once he gets the opportunity, he'll be able
Speaker 1: to figure those things out. So that's that's the lesson
Speaker 1: that I learned there on on that evaluation, DJ my
Speaker 1: one concern because you know, scouting issues aside um, and
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're talking to three bloggers that don't
Speaker 1: watch a lot of college football. So I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: your word on these things. But you know, are you
Speaker 1: going into now You're sitting on a gold mine here
Speaker 1: with a quarterback who looks like maybe the next are
Speaker 1: you gonna are you to turn into like Scott Zolak
Speaker 1: on these broadcasts as as this young man's career blossoms
Speaker 1: into total stardom. I'm a little about you, please, Oh man,
Speaker 1: I saw I saw Zolak when the Chargers lost to
Speaker 1: the Patriots of the playoffs a couple of years ago. Um,
Speaker 1: and it was a freezing game, if you remember, freezing
Speaker 1: in Foxboro, and so me and Money like come walking
Speaker 1: out and normally the radio guys. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: cool little fraternity. I've I've learned it over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. But everybody's just real kind of one another.
Speaker 1: What we do, appearances on each other's pregame shows, and um,
Speaker 1: you get to know a lot of these guys, especially
Speaker 1: inside the division. You see him over and over again.
Speaker 1: We passed Zolak and I think it was right before
Speaker 1: the game, like in the hallway, and it was straight
Speaker 1: game face, not gonna acknowledge us, straight ahead, we do
Speaker 1: not exist. And it was everything that I imagined it
Speaker 1: would be ahead of time. It was fantastic. No one
Speaker 1: has told Zilac that he's not on the Patriots anymore.
Speaker 1: I want to I wanna hit the I wanna you know,
Speaker 1: actually I want to close up this vieud hopefully between
Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Jeremiah. But since we're talking this game Chargers Broncos,
Speaker 1: we let's touch touch on the Broncos real quick. Here
Speaker 1: DJ and Drew Lock another guy that a lot of
Speaker 1: high hopes for him this season, it hasn't It hasn't
Speaker 1: panned out. Are you worried about him watching his tape
Speaker 1: so far this season? Well, I mean you still see
Speaker 1: some of those glimpses. Um, he just hasn't been consistent. Um,
Speaker 1: So I'm still hopeful there. I I kind of I
Speaker 1: like that forty start role. Right. If we can get
Speaker 1: forty starts, that's you know, two and a half years
Speaker 1: worth of starts before we get a feel for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I don't think we know enough about Drew Lock yet.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you guys that the most surprising thing
Speaker 1: that I saw looking at the Broncos this week. You
Speaker 1: know who's actually playing pretty good is Garrett Bowls. He
Speaker 1: had been. He's played really well. I mean, and for
Speaker 1: all the heat that he's taken um and them not
Speaker 1: picking up his fifth year option, all those things, if
Speaker 1: you look, I'll watch the cut up of all their
Speaker 1: you know, ten plus runs, ten plus yard runs, and
Speaker 1: if they're either running left behind him or they're running
Speaker 1: right and cutting back and getting to him, He's he's
Speaker 1: played really well. Last week was an embarrassment for the Broncos,
Speaker 1: but man, they have a lot of juice on that offense.
Speaker 1: I'm still not giving up. I'm fascinated by this game
Speaker 1: because both these teams are better than their two and
Speaker 1: four record, I think, and whoever wins, I think is
Speaker 1: kind of a sneaky playoff contender because the Broncos have
Speaker 1: a lot of juice. They're really well coached on defense.
Speaker 1: Last week was an embarrassment, and DJ knows it's nothing personal.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, when it comes to Herbert,
Speaker 1: what Herbert is thinking every time he's in one of
Speaker 1: those little calls with DJ, you know they talked to
Speaker 1: the radio guys. He's thinking, this guy had me below
Speaker 1: Andrew tom. I think Andrew Thomas just gave up another
Speaker 1: sack actually, and this guy has been ranked behind him.
Speaker 1: And I do have a little problem of people jumping
Speaker 1: in our mentions, these little DJ fan ways at our network,
Speaker 1: like you got in here. They come in here and
Speaker 1: the slippers, the slippers comment and they're like, oh, Howitzer
Speaker 1: score one for D. I mean, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: I came in with a machine gun. He's given me
Speaker 1: free slippers. That those things, the comfy I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: That is you're opening up the war. You're saying, bring
Speaker 1: more of these people at me. I enjoy it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is what I've learned. You know what
Speaker 1: I've learned. This is why my feud with Dan has
Speaker 1: been a good training ground for this Greig, because I
Speaker 1: made a Twitter mistake with Dan, which is I replied
Speaker 1: with my comeback, so I replied I didn't retweet. So
Speaker 1: when you look at it, you're like, man, Dan, Dan
Speaker 1: hits me, and look at all the look at all
Speaker 1: the retweets and all the mentions and all the buzz
Speaker 1: and then I reply, and I get no juice because
Speaker 1: if they don't follow me and Dan, they're ain't seen it.
Speaker 1: So now I've tried to use the power of the
Speaker 1: platform and just bring the full force of the army
Speaker 1: at you with a retweet. So I've learned to get
Speaker 1: those sticks listeners on your side. You know, that's that's
Speaker 1: your army. Wow, I'm just bring not always nice. I'm
Speaker 1: just glad to see that Sessler jumped in here because
Speaker 1: I was wondering having been on the line where you
Speaker 1: guys are getting ready to go on the air, and
Speaker 1: and watching him trying to figure out something that probably
Speaker 1: all four of my children could have figured out in
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, how to make his microphone work. I'm just
Speaker 1: happy Mark was able to join us for this conversation.
Speaker 1: It was a Yeah, I'm dealing with a technical apocalypse
Speaker 1: in my house and and times are tough, and I
Speaker 1: you know it's there. It's the green but the red
Speaker 1: button turns you off. The green button is what turns
Speaker 1: you on. That's how That's how this whole thing works. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: d J, you've you've equitted yourself quite well here. Good luck.
Speaker 1: I heard you're starting up a podcast. See we'll see
Speaker 1: how that goes. Uh, and thank you for joining the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, which also is on television. This
Speaker 1: is great. I don't I don't speak German, so I
Speaker 1: just hope all your fans see me there and at him. Yes,
Speaker 1: at his time. Now for Road to Victory, presented by
Speaker 1: the United States Marine Corps. I am up, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, Mark. This used to be easier when
Speaker 1: the brown stunk. You know, we would just leave the draft.
Speaker 1: You always leave it to you and you go grab
Speaker 1: him in the back of the round. But now when
Speaker 1: I look at this slate, I can't just overlook the
Speaker 1: best games of the week because Cleveland's involved. And I
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you to do the same thing with the Jets,
Speaker 1: but we certainly don't have to worry about that right now.
Speaker 1: So I am selecting Raiders at Browns and we can
Speaker 1: start it out personally, Mark off Air. I just like
Speaker 1: this game a lot. The Raiders are very kind of
Speaker 1: hard team to figure out. This is the week where
Speaker 1: no one cares about them or thinks that they have
Speaker 1: any chance to compete because they did not play well
Speaker 1: in wee eate and a lopsided loss. But you know what,
Speaker 1: it was right before the bye that they went to
Speaker 1: Arrowhead and spake the Chiefs. So there you go. So
Speaker 1: you don't know which version the Raiders you get the
Speaker 1: Browns man, they're even tougher to figure out. And uh
Speaker 1: no Odell Beckham obviously this week or for the rest
Speaker 1: of the season after he tours a c L. But
Speaker 1: just a huge, huge game for Baker Mayfield. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was his performance against Cincinnati. And yes it is
Speaker 1: the Bengals and you have to keep that in mind,
Speaker 1: but his ability to you know, when he started over
Speaker 1: five with a pick, it was all set up for
Speaker 1: this to be the week where the coach Stefanski is
Speaker 1: getting tons of questions about K's keen um. Instead, he
Speaker 1: completes about four passes in a row and throws five
Speaker 1: touchdowns and nobody's talking that way. So the Browns feel
Speaker 1: like they're in a good spot there at home. The
Speaker 1: Raiders are a team that's hot and cold. But both
Speaker 1: these teams are kind of hard to judge right now.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna show up when uh kickoff comes? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, it seems like we say this
Speaker 1: every week about Cleveland, but this to me reads like
Speaker 1: a shootout, and uh, you know Cleveland's defense. I think
Speaker 1: they're still in search of themselves in many ways, but
Speaker 1: I will say watching every one of their games closely,
Speaker 1: that they're best players on defense have impacted them tremendously.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're anywhere close to the record
Speaker 1: without the combination of Miles Garrett, Ronnie Harrison, and Denzel
Speaker 1: Ward Ronnie Harrison, who they traded for earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: You look at the two Bengals games, Myles Garrett strip
Speaker 1: sacks of Joe Burrow completely opened the door to those wins.
Speaker 1: Last week, Myles Garrett strip sacks Joe Burrow, It's recovered
Speaker 1: by Ronnie Harrison, leads to a Browns field goal. The
Speaker 1: Browns win that game by three. Week two, Garrett strip
Speaker 1: sacks Burrow at the Bengals one yard line, it's recovered,
Speaker 1: the brown score a touchdown. They win that game by
Speaker 1: four points. These shootouts do not come out positively for
Speaker 1: Cleveland unless these players on defense are creating these turnovers.
Speaker 1: They don't do a lot well as a unit, but
Speaker 1: they do do that. I would point to the Colts game. Also,
Speaker 1: when Ronnie Harrison picked off Philip Rivers on a forty
Speaker 1: seven yard pick six. They won that game by nine
Speaker 1: and the and the Colts had the ball at the end.
Speaker 1: So you know, for a unit that his you know,
Speaker 1: maligned and verbally kind of taken apart by critics. Understandably
Speaker 1: these guys and Myles Garrett. You know you mentioned a
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year candidate and Fred Warner, Myles
Speaker 1: Garrett right now is the leader in the clubhouse for
Speaker 1: that award because of these game changing plays. M I
Speaker 1: just still go Aaron Donald, but those would be my
Speaker 1: top two. I I love this game because there's a
Speaker 1: lot about this season that feels familiar, and these two
Speaker 1: teams are different. I think one of these teams is
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs. I think they both have a
Speaker 1: good chance, and so this sets up as a big one.
Speaker 1: You're right, Mark, it sets up as a shootout. But
Speaker 1: can Baker Mayfield keep up in the shootout again? A
Speaker 1: lot of last week's throws where his first read well
Speaker 1: called plays he gets to it. I think that could
Speaker 1: be there this week again because he's playing a bad
Speaker 1: Raiders defense. The Browns have played a lot of bad defenses,
Speaker 1: and so I think he can keep up in the shootout.
Speaker 1: But it got me thinking, I gotta calmp for you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna like it, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: you know who. Baker Mayfield reminds me of the more
Speaker 1: and more I watch him. He's a little bit of
Speaker 1: like uh, Kirk Cousins, with a stronger arm, like if
Speaker 1: everything's okay and and set up for him, it's there
Speaker 1: and he can run an offense. But it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a system guy. He's not gonna make too
Speaker 1: many plays off script structure, and if the pressure gets there,
Speaker 1: it can go a little like Haywire and there's these
Speaker 1: little brain like just blips. But against a bad defense
Speaker 1: like this week, he puts up a lot of numbers.
Speaker 1: I think. I mean the comp works because you know
Speaker 1: this the same coach operating Kirk Cousins last year, and
Speaker 1: you see a lot of the same stuff. I thought
Speaker 1: you're gonna go like Eric Hippel or something. So I
Speaker 1: am not that disappointed by the comp but I think
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit more to offer in the
Speaker 1: kind of flatir and the exciting plays that I don't
Speaker 1: see from Kirk Cousins. But you know last week, You're
Speaker 1: right then, was this was an important game for Baker
Speaker 1: May because had that gone south, the questions would have
Speaker 1: been ceaseless about bringing in case. And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I think like a lot of people were
Speaker 1: all on the fence with Baker this maybe this is
Speaker 1: a shootout, but maybe there's another game where Baker doesn't
Speaker 1: play well and then all that criticism and that question
Speaker 1: and comes back. He's just kind of a hard dude
Speaker 1: to figure out. Maybe he's definitely a better actor and
Speaker 1: commercials than Kirk Cousins. That that I got. I think
Speaker 1: he has charm, that's for sure. He's got He's got
Speaker 1: more charisma. You know who's getting me more excited watching
Speaker 1: him though, is Derek Carr lately? Like I kind of
Speaker 1: trust the Jeers just as much in a shootout. He's
Speaker 1: playing more aggressive. They threw more deep balls over the
Speaker 1: last two weeks than they did in the first four combined.
Speaker 1: Like they are embracing what they are, which is an
Speaker 1: offensive team, and they're getting a lot healthier. They should
Speaker 1: get Trent Brown this back this week. They're getting Brian
Speaker 1: Edwards back. There's a lot of guys on injured reserve
Speaker 1: who might come back for the Raiders. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be tough for that Brown's pass rush
Speaker 1: to get to Derek Carr Myles Garrett needs a little
Speaker 1: help from those other guys who are are making a
Speaker 1: lot of money to Ogan job uh and and Olivier Vernon.
Speaker 1: All right, that was road to Victory presented by the
Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps and what a fine game that
Speaker 1: will be. I'm happy about the placement in the draft there. Mark, Again,
Speaker 1: that was not personal. You are now up after I've
Speaker 1: taken the Browns off the board, So how do you
Speaker 1: react to that? Yeah, I'm slightly annoyed with what you
Speaker 1: did there, but we can you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: we can sort that out off the air, not on
Speaker 1: NFL network. Um, I'm gonna go there. Is that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of good games this week. This is
Speaker 1: probably one of the better weeks out there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go Rams at Dolphins. I mean, why not sign up
Speaker 1: for a chance to see two and his first NFL start?
Speaker 1: And I know I know that they love the idea
Speaker 1: of giving him the bye week to prepare. But you've
Speaker 1: got Aaron Donald on the other side. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you, though, I think it's time that we go
Speaker 1: and do something a little different and play one of
Speaker 1: our favorite games from our podcast. All right, and that
Speaker 1: is what's more likely? What more? And I'm gonna pose
Speaker 1: a question to you, guys, Okay, what's more likely? Alright?
Speaker 1: For this Dolphins team? The three and three Dolphins turn
Speaker 1: ultra frisky behind the Electric TOA and snatch the seventh
Speaker 1: wild card spot, making Greg Rosenthal's loins tingle as he
Speaker 1: observes their rise on game pass or are A scheduled
Speaker 1: packed with the NFC West, the Chargers, the Chiefs, the Raiders,
Speaker 1: reveals that Miami is still basically an average outfit in
Speaker 1: need of another big season before they start to think
Speaker 1: about January. I like that you're kind of catching that
Speaker 1: I'm digging this Dolphins team again, something that's differently. I
Speaker 1: think it's more likely that that you gotta wait a
Speaker 1: year and uh, they're closer to eight and eight because
Speaker 1: to me, eight and eight with this roster and two
Speaker 1: at quarterback is a victory. And the a f C
Speaker 1: is so deep that they're gonna need to win games
Speaker 1: like this. But this is our first chance to see
Speaker 1: if toa is an upgrade. I don't think enough conversation
Speaker 1: about the change to from Ryan Fitzpatrick recognize the possibility
Speaker 1: that this offense is gonna look very different short passes
Speaker 1: using to his athleticism, and that there's a chance in
Speaker 1: the long run without turnovers that actually it's better for
Speaker 1: this Dolphins team. I'm not saying that's likely to happen,
Speaker 1: but I think there is absolutely a chance. We've seen, uh,
Speaker 1: justin Herbert and Joe Burrow, how ready for the NFL
Speaker 1: they are. Now we get to start seeing if TA
Speaker 1: is ready as well. Yeah, I'm gonna just like go
Speaker 1: optimistic because it would be more fun that it puts
Speaker 1: them in the race more. They're looking for the Herbert lift,
Speaker 1: and that is capital H, capital F. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a worthy dice roll for Brian Flores and the Dolbins.
Speaker 1: It's like the type of move that lowers their floor
Speaker 1: but raises their ceiling. And if and if he struggles, well,
Speaker 1: just stick with him. That's the only mistake you can
Speaker 1: make is if you get in your head too much
Speaker 1: as an organization and say, oh, too has lost three
Speaker 1: starts in a row. He's not passing very well. Let's
Speaker 1: get fits Magic back in there to say no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Once you make this move, you stay with
Speaker 1: this move and hopefully to it hits the ground running,
Speaker 1: you get the Herbert lift. Because if you do, this
Speaker 1: goes from a team that's just like you said on
Speaker 1: the periphery of the playoff race, to genuinely fun team
Speaker 1: to watch. And guess what, listen, the Patriots are a mess.
Speaker 1: The Bills. I know they finally got off the losing
Speaker 1: schnide against the Jets, but they didn't play very well
Speaker 1: in that game. There. This division is a little more
Speaker 1: wide open than it's been in many years. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I love that. Brian Floores basically said that
Speaker 1: he told to uh, just be yourself. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: being something else, just be who you are. And this
Speaker 1: is an electric player. And you know, Dolphins fans sneaky
Speaker 1: have gone decades post Dan Marino with an absolute you know,
Speaker 1: dearth of non talent at quarterback. And I mean, you
Speaker 1: had a nice little run there for a bit with
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, but that was the old average milktoast Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1: Touah is someone that could completely change this franchise for
Speaker 1: years and years to come and change the life of
Speaker 1: Brian Flores and every assistant coach on that team if
Speaker 1: this thing works out. So I cannot wait to see
Speaker 1: how this goes. Except for that outside linebackers coach. I
Speaker 1: don't think he has any business being in the league.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. I don't know um.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll throw out of what's more likely. I
Speaker 1: know this. What's more likely the Rams offense with Sean
Speaker 1: McVeigh at the controls improves and gets back to be
Speaker 1: ing UH scene as one of the NFC's best units
Speaker 1: in that regard, or this is now a defensive team
Speaker 1: and the Rams win because Aaron Donald Uh he leads
Speaker 1: the way and they win a bunch of games twenty
Speaker 1: four to seventeen. It's it's more likely that the offense
Speaker 1: uh leads the way because because I think they kind
Speaker 1: of are already. I mean, they're there ranked hire in
Speaker 1: offense and defense in d V O A. I think
Speaker 1: people are missing that there's not a lot of flash
Speaker 1: on this offense. There's a lot of efficiency. Darryl Henderson
Speaker 1: is one of the best young running backs in the
Speaker 1: league right now. They are blowing holes open for him.
Speaker 1: They're a team that plays at a slow play pace
Speaker 1: rather so their yards aren't that big. But in terms
Speaker 1: of yards per rush, in terms of yards per pass,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff is near the top, Darryl Henderson's near the top.
Speaker 1: They don't make a ton of mistakes. They're a little boring,
Speaker 1: I'll give you that, Like it's not as fun as
Speaker 1: those old Rams team, But to me, they're They're deadly efficient.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they got the superstars on defense. It's a
Speaker 1: nice combo. And I don't know if they win this week.
Speaker 1: I think it's a coin flip game, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give the win to the Rams and that the offense
Speaker 1: does play pretty well. That's a great answer, Greg, and
Speaker 1: you backed it up with some data. You showed the
Speaker 1: receipts as they say, I guess it is. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: back remember in the good old days where people gathered
Speaker 1: and people went to stadiums and and there were no masks.
Speaker 1: And I believe it was a Rams Vikings Thursday night game.
Speaker 1: It was like Pete Gared Goth Sean McVeigh or. I
Speaker 1: think this might have been early in the season, and
Speaker 1: he's just bombing away and Brandon Cooks is streaking down
Speaker 1: for seventy yards for touchdowns. I guess I missed that
Speaker 1: version of the Rams offense. But there's yeah. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say they are more efficient and as long
Speaker 1: as they're winning, this is fine. Well, and I their
Speaker 1: identity under Sean McVeigh is going to have to stay offense.
Speaker 1: I loved how they played with pace against the Bears
Speaker 1: and caused disruption with quick snaps and you know, caught
Speaker 1: Chicago off guard. I mean, I feel like this is
Speaker 1: part one of this new Rams offense, and maybe part
Speaker 1: two is the second half of this season or even
Speaker 1: next season, where you know, this is a different attack
Speaker 1: than it was in the past. And I think that's
Speaker 1: shows a lot of flexibility by Sean McVeigh. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that's Super Bowl loss caused a lot of introspection
Speaker 1: and it came out with a completely different looking attack.
Speaker 1: I do see them go to sleep at times, though
Speaker 1: in the passing game there's been a couple of misconnections
Speaker 1: with golf and cup and when that's not the case,
Speaker 1: when they're on, they're still very dangerous. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can really count on them week to
Speaker 1: week on offense yet. All Right, let's move on, Greg,
Speaker 1: You're up next in the draft. Alright. I need a
Speaker 1: late afternoon games, So I'm going Saints against the Bears.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of complaining going on in New
Speaker 1: Orleans right now about this defense. There's even more complaining
Speaker 1: in Chicago about their offense. But this looks like a
Speaker 1: get right game for this Saints defense. There's misscommunication problems
Speaker 1: in the secondary. You know who's great to play? Uh
Speaker 1: in a week that that happens the Bears, especially if
Speaker 1: Allan Robinson is not in this game. He's in the
Speaker 1: concussion protocol. There's a lot of complaining in New Orleans
Speaker 1: that the past rush isn't really that good, that Cameron
Speaker 1: Jordan's not getting it done, and old to first, Marcus
Speaker 1: Davenport has been quiet until that game winning sack last week.
Speaker 1: Don't hear people chirping about that. By the way, everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm not really a Saint. I'm trying to say that
Speaker 1: you should get off Davenport. But you know what, this
Speaker 1: is the match if they should win because the Bears
Speaker 1: offensive line has been dreadful this season, and every defensive
Speaker 1: line is winning against them. And that's why I feel
Speaker 1: really confident the Saints defense balls out and they go
Speaker 1: they gotta win on the road, And that's why I'm
Speaker 1: locking it, waiting around and let's see. You know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a look at the lock of the week
Speaker 1: standings later. But let's give some respect to Greg. He
Speaker 1: is seven and oh to start the season. So when
Speaker 1: he's locking up, the Rainmaker locks a team up right now,
Speaker 1: it's best you pay attention. Yes, you should pay attention.
Speaker 1: Rain fallen from the sky. Can we do that? I
Speaker 1: think I don't know if that's allowed. You know, the Bears,
Speaker 1: there is some like Adam Gates light stuff going on
Speaker 1: around this team. Now. It's starting to the naggy heat
Speaker 1: is getting turned up, and they kind of need a
Speaker 1: performance here a home game. They're coming off the loss,
Speaker 1: but they're still obviously in great shape at five and two.
Speaker 1: But if you if you bomb out against the Saints, uh,
Speaker 1: then people are going to really start to ask questions
Speaker 1: about is this a team that's about to kind of
Speaker 1: go up in flames? Uh? So that's that's what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for. I know, Nick Foles is never gonna turn
Speaker 1: this into an explosive offense. They don't have a ton
Speaker 1: of big time players, especially if their number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver isn't involved with the game plan. But find a
Speaker 1: way to get this offense going, Matt Maggy, because that's
Speaker 1: what you were hired for. Well, it's I'm with you
Speaker 1: on the Adam Gates light. And it's really just like
Speaker 1: the issue with bad teams, where one side of the
Speaker 1: ball is holding the entire operation hostage. I mean, when
Speaker 1: will the in fighting begin? When will the anonymous quotes
Speaker 1: start to filter in from the defense because they're basically saying,
Speaker 1: we don't win games unless this defense scores points are
Speaker 1: sets up very easy points for the offense. I and
Speaker 1: it it becomes almost tiresome to disc gus Chicago's offense
Speaker 1: because the narrative used to be the Mitch Robisky thing.
Speaker 1: And they went out and they got Nick Foles, And
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to paint an optimistic picture, maybe
Speaker 1: you could sign up for Nick Foles as someone that
Speaker 1: you could have as a starter. But it's still always
Speaker 1: felt like a patch and the patch is ripping off
Speaker 1: and there's just a big hole underneath it, and the
Speaker 1: hole is basically Chicago nice record to start the season.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they're six and eight. At
Speaker 1: some point, I just feel like this thing isn't heading
Speaker 1: into troubled waters, right And when you're when you're a
Speaker 1: great offense and a bad defense, you're you're the Seahawks
Speaker 1: or you're the Packers. But like when you're a good
Speaker 1: defense with a with a terrible offense, then you're the Bears.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on Marcus Callaway. He really impressed me
Speaker 1: for the Saints last week. They could use another receiving option.
Speaker 1: He's a little banged up, but if he can become
Speaker 1: a legitimate threat week after week, then they can keep
Speaker 1: surviving without Michael Thomas, because we still don't know if
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is ever going to return for this and
Speaker 1: we might not ever see that man again. And I
Speaker 1: see you, I see all of you out there, all
Speaker 1: you people that count it out and through dirt. And
Speaker 1: Drew Breeze is grave after two weeks. And oh he
Speaker 1: can't play anymore. He's got an arm that basically matches
Speaker 1: as six year old and my son's zoom kindergarten class whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't see it so much anymore. I know he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be a deep downfield passer, but he never
Speaker 1: really was in the first place. This guy is getting done.
Speaker 1: He was super efficient this past week. That offense looked
Speaker 1: really good with Drew Brees at the control. So everybody
Speaker 1: calmed down. We'll be right back after this. Greg, it's
Speaker 1: snakes back to you. Well, earlier in this show, you
Speaker 1: took the Browns from Mark. I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: take the Jets from you. You didn't see that coming early.
Speaker 1: I like having bad games as my backup games in
Speaker 1: the morning. If I'm gonna be focused on on Ravens Steelers, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just have a Chief Jets blowout as my backup.
Speaker 1: And you know what, any game with Patrick Mahomes is watchable.
Speaker 1: And for such a bad team that the Jets are,
Speaker 1: they do have something to watch every week, which is
Speaker 1: the same Donald development and whether he's gonna ever show it.
Speaker 1: And this is a really tough matchup for him. I
Speaker 1: think because Steve Spagnolo, if he spelled, specializes in anything.
Speaker 1: It's cooking up these young quarterbacks. He did it last
Speaker 1: week that Drew lock. They love showing a lot of
Speaker 1: things before the snap, after the snap. I think the
Speaker 1: Chiefs are more dynamic defensively with Bashad brelan back. He's
Speaker 1: a really underrated cornerback. And I think if you're a
Speaker 1: Sam Donald believer, the number one concern for him is
Speaker 1: his processing time. It's his decision making, it's his slow
Speaker 1: decision making. And maybe that's all Adam Gaine's fault. I
Speaker 1: don't really know, but to me, that's the thing that
Speaker 1: really hasn't moved forward. That you can just see his
Speaker 1: mind not moving quickly holding the ball, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of like a rookie quarterback thing, and and we haven't
Speaker 1: seen a ton of that, and this is a really
Speaker 1: tough matchup, I think for him in that regard, I
Speaker 1: do wonder you look at the base numbers, you look
Speaker 1: at the analytics, Donald's regressed in year three, and so
Speaker 1: you if you're the Jets, you have to figure out, like,
Speaker 1: is that on him, which it obviously partly is because
Speaker 1: it's him, Or is did it was he broken by
Speaker 1: a completely inefficient and um out of date and ineffective
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze offense. That's what they have to figure out.
Speaker 1: He is sometimes slow, uh in the processing and he'll
Speaker 1: miss receivers and he threw one of the worst interceptions
Speaker 1: of his career last week. As an example, was off
Speaker 1: his back foot into like triple coverage right before the
Speaker 1: half against the Bills that essentially marred what was otherwise
Speaker 1: a fairly strong first half for the Jets offense with Dowell, Donald, Dowell, Loggins,
Speaker 1: Dowell calling the plays the offensive coordinator for the first time. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about for the Jets, figuring out
Speaker 1: if if he is the guy, although if they go
Speaker 1: oh and fifteen or oh and sixteen or one in fifteen,
Speaker 1: and the decision, even if he plays well is almost
Speaker 1: taken out of his hands and he's auditioning really for
Speaker 1: thirty one other teams. I you can feel his career
Speaker 1: turning if that happens, and he'll he'll be somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and that maybe the best thing for Sam Donald's in
Speaker 1: the end, because you know, we don't have a really
Speaker 1: crystal clear answer to this, but what is the coaching
Speaker 1: impact on Sam Donald's career under Adam Gates? I mean
Speaker 1: the idea that Adam Gates has been sold to us
Speaker 1: over the years as a as a quarterback whisperer. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's saying anything. You're not whispering any words.
Speaker 1: Uh in in Sam Donald's here at this point. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with that team. I it's
Speaker 1: it's a depressing watch. You want to see someone like
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. Uh, you know develop as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've gotta wonder though, if you're Andy Reid and you've
Speaker 1: got Levian Bell coming into this situation against the Jets,
Speaker 1: are they cooking something up special there? Is it gonna
Speaker 1: be one of those types of games where they really
Speaker 1: allow him to show the Jets who he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: the only thing is like Clyde Edwards Hilaire is tied
Speaker 1: for second in the NFL with ten plus R brushes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's saying I want that. I just this is the
Speaker 1: game you bring in Bell be a set up for
Speaker 1: Levian Bill, right the This the game you bring Bell
Speaker 1: in for because you have a big lead and you
Speaker 1: don't want a layer to be too banged up. And
Speaker 1: you know what, Bell is running better this year. I
Speaker 1: thought he was for the Jets um than he did
Speaker 1: a year ago. I'm not saying he's old Levy on Bell,
Speaker 1: but I think he's a good, useful running back, and
Speaker 1: it with being surrounded by the talent that he is
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. He's obviously going to have more more production. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I would just like calm down with anybody
Speaker 1: that's like, Oh, Levy on bell revenge game. The Jets
Speaker 1: gave him a bigger contract than any other team would
Speaker 1: have given him in free agency last year, and it
Speaker 1: didn't work out because the Jets stink. But it's not
Speaker 1: like it was like something where he needs to get
Speaker 1: his revenge. I guess against Adam Gaze, but Adam Case
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to judge anybody. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: like you're right though, you know what's gonna happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a huge game because that's the way
Speaker 1: it works for the Jets, and then I'll have to
Speaker 1: talk about it on Sunday night. But that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm doing you a favor. I will trade with you
Speaker 1: after you know, we get off the air if you want,
Speaker 1: if you want to watch the Jets, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: take that away from you. But maybe I'm doing you
Speaker 1: a favor because it does feel like the Chief's offense
Speaker 1: of stats are pretty low, like Tyreek Hills, not even
Speaker 1: on pace for a thousand yards. Mahomes it's pretty low.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't they need a game where they just
Speaker 1: cut up a lot of yards? Totally not be a
Speaker 1: fun one. Who feels the fifty burger coming on? I
Speaker 1: certainly do. I do want I watch. I always watched
Speaker 1: the Jets. The only time I don't watch the Jets
Speaker 1: is when Joe Flacco is playing in adamses the coach.
Speaker 1: If one of those is not involved, no I'll be
Speaker 1: I'll be watching it on my own TV. But yeah,
Speaker 1: McKay backton, he's back and healthy. I hope jameson Crowd
Speaker 1: has involved in. Denzel Mims did look good. I will
Speaker 1: say in the first half before you take you take
Speaker 1: the Browns game away from me, but you get you
Speaker 1: handed me the Flacco Jets era to observe on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and it literally affected my mood and my overall experience.
Speaker 1: You know this is not that wasn't right. I apologize.
Speaker 1: All right. Let's by the way, the people in the
Speaker 1: desert they are flying with this with that, that's that's
Speaker 1: a three touchdown differential plus over there. Crazy stuff. Um Mark,
Speaker 1: you're up. Well, I'm gonna go with a game that
Speaker 1: I find quite interesting because this team new England. I'm
Speaker 1: going New England. Buffalo. To me, this like Patriots team.
Speaker 1: No matter how ugly things get. For some reason, they're
Speaker 1: still fascinating to me. And I mean they are in
Speaker 1: an altar. These are two offenses in a bit of
Speaker 1: a slump right now. I mean Buffalo, you know, came
Speaker 1: out of the gate real hot to start the season.
Speaker 1: Not the case right now. And with the Patriots, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cam Newton experience that I think peaked in Seattle
Speaker 1: um has been horrendous. He just does not look right
Speaker 1: to me. He It's almost like it does remind you
Speaker 1: that when you had someone like Brady in that system
Speaker 1: who was just processing before and after the snap with
Speaker 1: such magical abilities, that you put anyone else in there
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, they had they had the
Speaker 1: Hoyer Stidham disaster from a few weeks ago, and you thought,
Speaker 1: you get Cam back, and you're gonna get Cam Seahawks
Speaker 1: Cam and that's all gone away. We have Julian Edelman
Speaker 1: has just had surgery today. But Julian edelmen is that
Speaker 1: a huge loss right now? He's not been involved in
Speaker 1: the offense on any level. I think they want to
Speaker 1: run the ball I mean I made a joke about
Speaker 1: it on our other episode from the week about you
Speaker 1: know what could happen to New England. They would just
Speaker 1: went totally into a run mode where they run the
Speaker 1: ball like sixty five times a game. But that's not working.
Speaker 1: And I just to me this team, like I I'm
Speaker 1: ready to sit let this let the ship's sail on
Speaker 1: New England, because I think they were badly outcoached, outplayed
Speaker 1: last week against the Niners and it revealed a roster
Speaker 1: that's not been built. Well, well, this is the week.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is their season right now. They lose
Speaker 1: to the Bills to go to in five and with
Speaker 1: their four games back and lost column, that's that and
Speaker 1: they've they've shown who they are. They win in Buffalo
Speaker 1: and then it's an ugly a f C East where
Speaker 1: you got to consider them a contender, the Dolphins a contender,
Speaker 1: and the Bills as a team that have serious struggles.
Speaker 1: Because the Bill should win this game. Sean McDermott has
Speaker 1: never beaten Bill Belichick, and he's got way more talent,
Speaker 1: he's got way more juice on offense. The Patriots d defences,
Speaker 1: uh struggles to me are as concerning as Cam Newton's
Speaker 1: because they're they're a little more surprising and you've got
Speaker 1: to play uh Josh Allen team who started great, but
Speaker 1: the last three weeks they're averaging seventeen points a week.
Speaker 1: The only teams that are worse than them right now
Speaker 1: over the last three weeks are the Patriots a nice matchup,
Speaker 1: the Jets, no surprise, and the Cowboys with their rotating quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So it's like the Bills off and the Bills haven't
Speaker 1: been playing great defenses either. Uh, so they need to
Speaker 1: get going and some teams are really backing off Alan,
Speaker 1: making them work for these long drives and hoping Alan
Speaker 1: makes a mistake and gives them some chances. The Jets
Speaker 1: had chances to intercept him a few times. The Patriots
Speaker 1: need to take advantage when he gives them those chances.
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of bitter sweet for me.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for years for the death of the
Speaker 1: Patriots as a relevant franchise in the NFL, and it's
Speaker 1: finally here. And the Jets are historically awful, so they
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with the Patriots coming back down
Speaker 1: to the buddy, yeah, fats, Oh, that would be that
Speaker 1: would be sweet um, But you know what it's like,
Speaker 1: the Bills have to be the ones like if the
Speaker 1: Jetski do you, you're the one. You're the one that's
Speaker 1: got to do it. You're the one that lets everyone
Speaker 1: know that this didn't happen for nothing. It's the guy
Speaker 1: from Rocky four, the trainer, uh that was telling Rocky
Speaker 1: after Apollo was killed that he needs to step up
Speaker 1: to draw go. Well, the come on, Bills, don't take
Speaker 1: care of business here. This is a wounded Patriots organization
Speaker 1: that are they're they're they're not very strong in terms
Speaker 1: of personnel. They know that Tom Brady is lightening it
Speaker 1: up in Tampa. It's like adding more pain and misery
Speaker 1: around that building potentially, which I love. And the Bills,
Speaker 1: despite not playing very well, go win a football game
Speaker 1: in your building here and really really put the clamps
Speaker 1: on the Patriots and put them in a situation where
Speaker 1: you can almost stick a fork in them. Where are
Speaker 1: you gonna say, Garette, I'm just saying, I was just saying.
Speaker 1: I I don't have much hope. But if there's ever
Speaker 1: a matchup that favors the Patriots, I think this is it.
Speaker 1: Not just that they've won sixth straight. But the styles
Speaker 1: of the way they play that the Bill's defense tends
Speaker 1: to give up these short passes in the running game,
Speaker 1: give up these long drives. You shortened the game. And
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense, if they do one thing well, I
Speaker 1: think they can just slow an offense down with their cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: and the Bills haven't shown they can run the ball.
Speaker 1: I think you beat the Patriots by just like beating
Speaker 1: them up. And right now, the Bill's offense and their
Speaker 1: offensive line, they're not really like beating anyone up. I
Speaker 1: would Here is the darkest timeline scenario, Sam Donald. You know,
Speaker 1: as the season progresses, here starts to show something and
Speaker 1: he takes out New England and by then Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: has already spoken to Cam Newton said, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: a favor for me. You're gonna continue to throw interceptions
Speaker 1: and not touchdowns. I'm gonna set you up financially for life.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a high rise, um, you know, penthouse
Speaker 1: apartment in Fox Broke for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: Things are gonna look good. You gotta take a bullet
Speaker 1: here for me, and we're gonna reverse engineer this allow
Speaker 1: the Jets to beat us twice. We will go onto
Speaker 1: into the end of the week for Sessler, how do
Speaker 1: we get here again? I'm just saying, Patriots fan, Remember
Speaker 1: West used to like the Patriots because so that makes sense.
Speaker 1: He likes bad page just think he's it reminds him
Speaker 1: of the Browns if they ever, if they ever, you know,
Speaker 1: tanked for Trevor and and they got it four or
Speaker 1: five weeks into this thing and said, we know how
Speaker 1: to win, but we also know how to lose better
Speaker 1: than anyone. Good coaches would know how to lose a
Speaker 1: game better than anyone too, So Belichick secret edge d
Speaker 1: in okay, but Stefan gilmar by the way looking at
Speaker 1: his phone in between series seeing if he's been traded yet.
Speaker 1: Maybe Stefan dig sneaks behind him a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I love the Bills here. I love it just for
Speaker 1: the fact that they're a better team. I love what
Speaker 1: it represents it. That's why I'm gonna lock up the
Speaker 1: team from Western New York. Uh to put the Patriots
Speaker 1: underground for And that brings the draft over to the
Speaker 1: old Zeuser. Oh that one caught me by surprise. Don't
Speaker 1: you hate when that happens? All right? Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: pack these brakes and then suddenly we're you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're scampering for Alright, let's go with um Tennessee at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: How about that. Let's see how the Titans are looking
Speaker 1: um after a tough loss at home, but not a
Speaker 1: loss to hang your head over. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was what it was a game where you fell
Speaker 1: behind seven and then once you figure out a way
Speaker 1: to get a couple of stops, uh and get your
Speaker 1: offense on the field, you damn near tied the game.
Speaker 1: And a big issue for the Titans against the Steelers
Speaker 1: was third downs. They could not get off the field.
Speaker 1: I think Pittsburgh was thirteen of eighteen uh in that game,
Speaker 1: and that led to just, um, a destruction in the
Speaker 1: time of possession realm and that's ultimately what got the
Speaker 1: Titans beat. So I don't take that as a loss like, oh,
Speaker 1: time to take restock and uh, you know where what
Speaker 1: we think about the Titans, I still think is a
Speaker 1: very good team and I think they're gonna take care
Speaker 1: of business obviously in Cincinnati. But you know what, Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow makes these games interesting. This isn't watching uh, you know,
Speaker 1: late period Andy Dalton or who are some of the
Speaker 1: other Hammond Eggers that played when Dalton wasn't in Cincinnati? A. J. Mccaren.
Speaker 1: I think there was somebody else. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: their names were ham and Egg. Yeah, exactly. So Burrow,
Speaker 1: if nothing else, makes the Bengals fun to watch because
Speaker 1: he keeps it close. They lose all these close games,
Speaker 1: and but that's part of like the journey for a
Speaker 1: team figure out how to win close games. The Titans
Speaker 1: have played a lot of close games this year. It's
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, so it would not surprise me if we
Speaker 1: have another close game. But ultimately I think the Titans
Speaker 1: get back on the winning track uh in week I
Speaker 1: would view the Bengals as trap game material for every
Speaker 1: team they play, I mean outside of maybe the upper
Speaker 1: echelon like Pittsburgh Ravens type teams because Burrow. The one
Speaker 1: thing I love about Burrow and your this is what
Speaker 1: takes you know, other quarterback years too to grow into
Speaker 1: or maybe they never do. But he sees and feels
Speaker 1: pressure pretty well, which you know fits well with an
Speaker 1: offensive line that just is a little bit above a
Speaker 1: total disaster. I mean, but he keeps him in these games.
Speaker 1: And I think it's his running ability to There was
Speaker 1: a play last week against the Browns where they were
Speaker 1: stuck in like a third and eleven scenario, and he
Speaker 1: just saw this open prairie land to just dart into.
Speaker 1: And it's like a lot of quarterbacks just don't see that,
Speaker 1: or they do that when they shouldn't. Um, he doesn't
Speaker 1: give up, give up on plays. He's a fighter. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is just a magician in the pocket. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not been perfect, but I think he
Speaker 1: is growing every week. And I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: he gives Tennessee a little bit of a run for
Speaker 1: their money, because I mean he he basically almost beat
Speaker 1: the Browns twice. It's their defense that forces him into
Speaker 1: these shootouts. Well, this is sneaky good matchup. You know
Speaker 1: you mentioned the third down stand. The Titans were last
Speaker 1: place in third downs on defense before they played Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: so now their last by a mile. Like it's it's
Speaker 1: a sneaky bad defense. Had a lot of pass rescjuice.
Speaker 1: My guy, Jadevian Clowney is having the worst season I
Speaker 1: think of his career. He's banged up, as he always is,
Speaker 1: but he's not playing well through it. Remember Vick Beasley.
Speaker 1: Remember the Titans signed Pick Beasley, And you know last
Speaker 1: week Vick Beasley made a play and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Vick Beasley was the most like in terms
Speaker 1: of doomed acquisitions that everyone knew was terrible even before
Speaker 1: it started. That has to be right near the top
Speaker 1: of the list. It never had a chance. It's not working.
Speaker 1: And and for UM fans who don't watch the Bengals
Speaker 1: every week, who last saw them on Thursday night, they're
Speaker 1: a different team right now. I think there are a
Speaker 1: lot better offensively even than they were in Week two.
Speaker 1: Their line is playing better. I'm not saying it's great,
Speaker 1: but it's played better. They've had a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: where they protected Burrow pretty well. Tee Higgins is a
Speaker 1: legit starter. I mean, their first two picks looked really good.
Speaker 1: Um and and Zach Taylor. I think as the offense
Speaker 1: looking like you would you would want it to look,
Speaker 1: that you feel better about it. I can't tell. I
Speaker 1: know this is your corner, Dan, but I'm with you,
Speaker 1: and I can't tell if Zach's like the worst three
Speaker 1: and nineteen and one coach in NFL history or the
Speaker 1: best you know what I mean, because they're in every game,
Speaker 1: the best one coaches probably the only one. So I
Speaker 1: guess he's bold, But I mean I can't tell because
Speaker 1: they do look better. To Mark's point, I really do
Speaker 1: think they're improving, but they can never get these wins.
Speaker 1: I mean, Taylor went to the Anthony Lynn school of
Speaker 1: how to manage close games, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're in these games, but they're not winning them, and
Speaker 1: it's hard. I think Zach Taylor flies under the radar
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I mean, where do you if
Speaker 1: you get to the end of the season, how do
Speaker 1: you assess? I think he'll be safe because of because
Speaker 1: of the Brown's history. I mean the Browns. I mean
Speaker 1: that the family, the Browns, the Bengals. Um, I think
Speaker 1: he'll be safe if if Burrows playing well. I don't
Speaker 1: think you mess with that. If we say that Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor is flying under the radar enough times on this show,
Speaker 1: will he ceased to be flying under the radar? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like we preface every statement about him that
Speaker 1: no one really pays attention to him. But it's he's
Speaker 1: got to find a way to win. I think some
Speaker 1: of these games in the back half of the season
Speaker 1: just insure management. You know, it's like, okay, we've seen it,
Speaker 1: we've seen it. Joe Burrow, by the way, is on
Speaker 1: pace for forty two pass attempts per game, which would
Speaker 1: be the most ever by a rookie UM since nineteen seventy,
Speaker 1: breaking Andrew Lux records. So I don't know what that
Speaker 1: really says. It tells us that the Joe Mixon thing
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out this year. It tells us that they
Speaker 1: believe in so much in this kid that they're handing
Speaker 1: him the game script and saying, let's win with you. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it also it does leave him in line to
Speaker 1: get hit a lot, which has happened. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're just they're fun to watch. But you do that
Speaker 1: offensive line, it scares you. If you're said having him
Speaker 1: drop back that many times, you know, God forbid, you
Speaker 1: know he gets hit and falls the wrong way? All right,
Speaker 1: am I up again? It's snaking to me. Look at
Speaker 1: the old on his heels and the biggest of them
Speaker 1: all spots. All right, let's grab we have any late
Speaker 1: games left. No, there's gonna be a lot of late
Speaker 1: trading this week. Yeah, let me grab then Colts at Lions,
Speaker 1: um cults at lines, you know, Detroit. That was the
Speaker 1: win they needed. That was such a big win for
Speaker 1: the Lions because they've they've lost so many close games
Speaker 1: under Patricia. They've it's the same old Lions mentality that
Speaker 1: permeates the place and it sinks seasons. But being able
Speaker 1: to outright steal a game they had no business winning
Speaker 1: against the Falcons where Todd Gurley falls into the end
Speaker 1: zone and then Stafford runs them down the field seventy
Speaker 1: four yards in like sixty seconds without a time out.
Speaker 1: And now if they can just find a way at
Speaker 1: home to beat the Colts. You take a look at
Speaker 1: their schedule after Indian it softens up a little bit
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the Lions left for
Speaker 1: dead earlier this year are right in the mix in
Speaker 1: the NFC, in the wild card race. So but let's
Speaker 1: see if they can do it. Because if we've learned
Speaker 1: one thing, and Kevin patro if he's listening, he's nodding
Speaker 1: his head right now, our resident line and fans of
Speaker 1: NFL media, lyons fan of NFL media, If we've learned
Speaker 1: one thing, they tend to fall on their face when
Speaker 1: they are presented with these opportunities. And the Colts, obviously,
Speaker 1: greg are not a layup. This is a very good defense.
Speaker 1: I know they've been kind of up and down offensively
Speaker 1: this season, but this will be a test for the
Speaker 1: Lions if they are uh, under the radar is a
Speaker 1: kind of a halfway decent, potentially good team. Though you
Speaker 1: you should be able to hold servant home. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the Lions defense has come out of their biplane
Speaker 1: pretty well. Uh. And and this is an offense the
Speaker 1: Colts that is that you should slow down. They don't
Speaker 1: have a running game. You're curious if the Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: resurgence which lasted about two quarters against Cincinnati and he
Speaker 1: was he was hot on the mid range game, whether
Speaker 1: that keeps up right now? Um, But like, this is
Speaker 1: a game I don't have I still were in Week eight.
Speaker 1: I don't have a feel of these teams, which maybe
Speaker 1: is just who they are there. This is a game
Speaker 1: that I know Chris Wesley doesn't want to watch two
Speaker 1: Dome teams. Uh, you know at ten am in the
Speaker 1: in the soft middle of the NFL without you know,
Speaker 1: really explosive offenses like That's what this game is to
Speaker 1: me right now. I'm gonna defend the Colts uniforms. I
Speaker 1: do not think they're bad, and I like the logos
Speaker 1: class that's fair. It's more just like when it's at
Speaker 1: the indoors and the lighting. I don't know, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think with Philip Rivers, if what happens if he
Speaker 1: if he bombs out again, is there any way Greg
Speaker 1: that you see Jacoby Brissette play without an injury, Well,
Speaker 1: it have to be a just a terrible month by Rivers.
Speaker 1: You know, I do want I watch this Colts team.
Speaker 1: I do wonder like is their offensive line as good
Speaker 1: as everyone says it is every time they mentioned it,
Speaker 1: because they can't run the ball. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if Rivers has been protected as well as you'd expect.
Speaker 1: They do get Darius Leonard back, though, I think that
Speaker 1: the games without Darius Leonard for the Colts defense showed
Speaker 1: you why he is one of the more valuable play
Speaker 1: defensive players in the league. They kind of just weren't
Speaker 1: the same And they're getting healthy and a few spots
Speaker 1: like Michael Pittman might be back, Comico Terray, this speed rusher.
Speaker 1: I like like the Cults are one of those teams
Speaker 1: that have a lot of guys coming back throughout the season,
Speaker 1: so that should make them a little bit better. They
Speaker 1: they should win this game. Give the Titans a run.
Speaker 1: I like the Lions. I think they're gonna shake it up. Mark,
Speaker 1: Where are you on the Lions bandwagon? By the way,
Speaker 1: I know you were on a bureau a donkey trying
Speaker 1: to catch up to the bandwagon you abandoned in week two?
Speaker 1: We're able to hop back on or did it pull away?
Speaker 1: Uh and leave you in the dust. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's picking up steam. But I mean you're the
Speaker 1: one that suggested that I was on like a slow animal.
Speaker 1: I I said I was gonna take a vehicle and
Speaker 1: follow the bandwagon, and the vehicle is swift. It's catching up. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm about to jump off the vehicle kind of Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones style, into the back of the bandwagon and find
Speaker 1: a seat there. I'm firmly involved. What about the other
Speaker 1: people in the national media? Uh, like Amena Times, there
Speaker 1: are a few of you that were talking big about
Speaker 1: the Lions. Will they welcome you back to the bandwagon
Speaker 1: if you do pull off the Indiana Jones and make
Speaker 1: it back up. I mean, I think that we all
Speaker 1: experienced a pause in our fandom. Uh. I didn't hear
Speaker 1: a lot from Mina Kimes during that first month. But
Speaker 1: Mina Kimes is probably sitting up in the front seat,
Speaker 1: nice air condition on or I'm sure you know, getting
Speaker 1: snacks that drive throughs. I'm stuck in the back, So
Speaker 1: I gotta ways to go here. You wearing a helmet, right,
Speaker 1: I don't this jump? I don't. A man in your forties,
Speaker 1: I don't. I would be the same way. Do I
Speaker 1: trust my athletic ability to make the Indiana Jones leap? No,
Speaker 1: it's fair. It's it's a man in his forties who's
Speaker 1: not exercised during corona time once. So there are there
Speaker 1: are concerns about making that, um that move beach body.
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, you're up in the draft. Alright, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go up Minnesota at Green Bay and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I look back at that Bucks game that
Speaker 1: that we're Aaron Rodgers went south. The whole team did
Speaker 1: as just an aberration. They would they ran up. They'll
Speaker 1: probably meet him again in the playoffs. They ran up
Speaker 1: against a great defense. Thankfully, Um, you know you're up
Speaker 1: against the Vikings defense. That's basically said, I don't care
Speaker 1: what you know. I saw Matt Lafleurs. You know, this
Speaker 1: is still a very intriguing Vikings defense. They're strong. Come on,
Speaker 1: that's all lip service. They traded Yonic Negaqua. We talked
Speaker 1: about that. Danil Hunter is basically at a commission, and
Speaker 1: so you have no like what you went into the
Speaker 1: season envisioning, and you're thinking, if you're the Vikings, are
Speaker 1: chore is to deal with Aaron Rodgers twice a year
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other good quarterbacks. We better be
Speaker 1: able to rush the pastors. They can't do that at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, the chore here is for Kirk Cousins and
Speaker 1: the Vikings offense to try to keep up with a
Speaker 1: green Bay attack that I think should have a pretty
Speaker 1: a pretty easy day here. And I mean, you look
Speaker 1: at what Davante Adams did last week. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is giving us the DeAndre Hopkins treatment from the old
Speaker 1: Houston days. I mean it's just I like this. I
Speaker 1: like this situation for green Bay a ton. I think
Speaker 1: they are maybe the second or third best team in
Speaker 1: the NFC. UM there for real. The Bucks game was
Speaker 1: something different and so keep riding Aaron Rodgers. Nothing should
Speaker 1: be slowing you down on Sunday. We need we need
Speaker 1: to see the next time the Packers have a big
Speaker 1: opponent how they match up, because if they don't there,
Speaker 1: then you're starting to ask questions about whether they are
Speaker 1: truly one of the big boys. But for now, just
Speaker 1: look at it as a blip on the radar. With
Speaker 1: the Vikings, It's like, I don't know. I like Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer a lot, and he just got an extension. He's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, um, But how do you ask that
Speaker 1: coach to keep that team invested when you bring in
Speaker 1: Yannick and gock Way to win the Super Bowl, you
Speaker 1: trade him out of town. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: bad trade. You're obviously one in five the opportunity to
Speaker 1: recoup draft capital on a veteran on an expiring contract.
Speaker 1: I get all that, but it's a tough message that
Speaker 1: sent to a locker room with this much football to
Speaker 1: be played. I wouldn't be totally stunned if they go
Speaker 1: in the tank. It's not like you have fearsome leader
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins that's gonna hold the locker room together.
Speaker 1: This could turn into train wreck territory for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: You're You're right, and I do think it's like it's
Speaker 1: personal accountability. It's like you're playing for your paycheck. That
Speaker 1: that's what I think is motivating players and and a
Speaker 1: lot of people more than anything is you're playing for
Speaker 1: your careers. I get it. Like I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: everyone takes personal accountability, I don't think their effort level
Speaker 1: has been their problem. It's the fact that they have
Speaker 1: no pass rush and their cornerbacks have been young and terrible,
Speaker 1: and by the way, they're banged up this week, so
Speaker 1: it's like a terrible matchup. But people, you need to
Speaker 1: have a group of players that take accountability and the
Speaker 1: ones that don't. It's like you gotta get rid of
Speaker 1: those players at some point. And so you do learn
Speaker 1: a little bit about that, and you're gonna learn something
Speaker 1: about Kirk Cousins because remember I said Baker is morphine
Speaker 1: into kirk Cousins. Well that the kirk Cousins um, you
Speaker 1: know body is only available because Kirk Cousins is now
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston. I don't know how it happened, but kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins exactly on pace for thirty three touch stuns and
Speaker 1: thirty interception with the Jamos Winston stats from a year ago,
Speaker 1: his favorite stat of the year. Kirk Cousins tells you
Speaker 1: who he is with his first throw of the game.
Speaker 1: He throws an interception that you never saw coming and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's gonna be one of those Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: That's Jamis Winston's move. Who throws deeper on a higher
Speaker 1: percentage of throws than anyone in the NFL out of
Speaker 1: nowhere this year. That's Kirk Cousins. That's famous Winston's move.
Speaker 1: It's been some sort of freaky Friday that he's on
Speaker 1: pace for thirty thirty. I had no idea it had
Speaker 1: gotten to that point. And that was like the one
Speaker 1: thing with Cousins, like love him or hate him, and
Speaker 1: it's always been like, yeah, Cousins puts up the numbers,
Speaker 1: but then in prime time or in the playoffs, you
Speaker 1: know he's gonna lay down this new version where in
Speaker 1: addition to you having all those other concerns about what
Speaker 1: happens when the lights are on, uh, that he's just
Speaker 1: like a total winston Ian mess. That is that's the
Speaker 1: stan to be fair, I as someone who always defends Winston.
Speaker 1: There's the good and the bad. I mean games like
Speaker 1: this where your defense isn't gonna show up. It's like
Speaker 1: he'll probably put up a lot of garbage time points,
Speaker 1: will put some fantasy points up. It'll be like thirty
Speaker 1: eight to thirty at the end. Then you'll have a
Speaker 1: little bit of fun at least. I do wonder if
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson winds up being I know, because the quarterback situation,
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't have a shot. But this is an
Speaker 1: offensive Rookie of the year tight performance from Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 1: I mean, he his numbers have been incredible every week.
Speaker 1: Take him off the offense, and what is Kirk Cousins then,
Speaker 1: I mean, that is one thing to build on. I
Speaker 1: would wonder if Kirk Cousins, you know, I just look
Speaker 1: at the salary stuff. But I mean, is he still
Speaker 1: in their long term plans? I mean, this feels like
Speaker 1: a team heading into a pretty ferociously build at least
Speaker 1: on one half of the all I have I have
Speaker 1: an answer what I think is going to happen. At
Speaker 1: least his new extension gave him one more year of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money after this year. That was it. It was
Speaker 1: basically a one year attack on so you draft someone,
Speaker 1: you have cousins there next year, and that's either it
Speaker 1: or you just evaluate how it goes. But I think
Speaker 1: next year is like out there. But it's like that
Speaker 1: one year is at high level starter money, right, It's
Speaker 1: like the extension, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: What he gave them in the first two years. Were
Speaker 1: they really going in the right direction with him? I
Speaker 1: guess you did it to keep the peace and all that,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Man and Greg, you seem to
Speaker 1: your your body language. My take on the Packers no
Speaker 1: reason to worry about them until they lose against the
Speaker 1: big team again. Are you either completely confident in them
Speaker 1: right now or do you see them as a bit
Speaker 1: of a flawed contender. Well, I haven't been a fan
Speaker 1: of their defense, but I'm not going to kill him
Speaker 1: for that one game. I think it was a matchup
Speaker 1: game where the Bucks defense just won that. And they're
Speaker 1: just so good when they can put up the points
Speaker 1: they do without Aaron Jones on the field, or without
Speaker 1: David Bactieri or without Davante Adams at points of season,
Speaker 1: like I trust them to be in it against the
Speaker 1: NFC contenders because their offense will be too good. All right,
Speaker 1: good stuff. Let's close up the draft and hit the
Speaker 1: primetime games. Good draft, guys, good stuff. I enjoyed it. Draft. Um,
Speaker 1: let's start with Sunday Night Football Dallas at Philadelphia Modewn.
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't need to dwell on this. We
Speaker 1: we were. We were banging on about with Connie Fox
Speaker 1: on Tuesday Show, how we gotta stop it with these
Speaker 1: primetime games and nfcas because it feels relentless. And then
Speaker 1: I sent a link to you guys story I read about,
Speaker 1: you know, television ratings and like the Arizona Seattle game
Speaker 1: from last week did a third or two thirds of
Speaker 1: the audience that some random NFC East game did the
Speaker 1: year before. And that's what it ultimately comes down to.
Speaker 1: People watch these teams, so we just have to swallow
Speaker 1: it and deal. But Benny, the new team might be
Speaker 1: playing in primetime. That's where we're at, Mark, Benny the
Speaker 1: Lucci who's taking a lot of snaps this week. I
Speaker 1: think part of the reason that the ratings will still
Speaker 1: skyrocket is because it's a little bit of a Patriots factor.
Speaker 1: I mean, people, big chunks of the country love watching
Speaker 1: a Cowboys team um spinning into total chaos. And it's
Speaker 1: pretty amazing where we are now with this team compared
Speaker 1: to where we were three or four weeks ago. Where
Speaker 1: I mean, how many people on their fantasy squads have
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott and Ceedee Lamb and guys like this, thinking
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna ride these guys into your championship round.
Speaker 1: They've all gone mute. They've all been muted, and the
Speaker 1: offense has completely fallen in on itself. The defense is
Speaker 1: a total disaster. It's hard to watch. The chaos thing
Speaker 1: has its limits though, Like it's a good conversation during
Speaker 1: the week, but when you actually have to sit and
Speaker 1: watch the team and they're getting beat three by the
Speaker 1: Washington football team, I don't get much joy out of that.
Speaker 1: I don't They would have flex this game out if
Speaker 1: if Dalton had been hurt the week before and given
Speaker 1: them time that they knew Ben Denucci was starting this game,
Speaker 1: they would not have put Ben de Nucci in prime time.
Speaker 1: I believe that, and I've you never see the Cowboys
Speaker 1: get flex that, but I think they would have just
Speaker 1: for the good of like the the NFL because all
Speaker 1: you gotta do is blitz this line into oblivion. They
Speaker 1: were the worst team in the NFL with Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: and it's just opposing defensive coordinates are just blitz blitz, blitz,
Speaker 1: blit blitz against this terrible offensive line. Now you're gonna
Speaker 1: do that against de Nucci with a pretty good defense.
Speaker 1: I think the last five minutes of that Giants Eagles
Speaker 1: game will go down as the most important um five
Speaker 1: minutes in the NFC East this year because the Eagles
Speaker 1: snuck that game out and now the reserves are coming Dallas,
Speaker 1: God or maybe maybe not this week we'll see Jalen
Speaker 1: reagor Miles Sanders, Jason Peters like they're coming back. The
Speaker 1: Eagles snuck out that win. Now they get you know,
Speaker 1: de Nucci, and they're they're gonna be a real team.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say there, I think they can get to
Speaker 1: eight wins something like that. They'll be a real team,
Speaker 1: and that will just be the NFC. You're right, they've
Speaker 1: got Dallas, they've got there By, they've got the Giants.
Speaker 1: Take care of business. Your four four and one and
Speaker 1: and then and some of the jokes about the NFC
Speaker 1: East will stop applying to Philadelphia. But if you look
Speaker 1: at the rest of their schedule, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: be a legitimately good team. But they're getting they're getting
Speaker 1: a lot of players back. That's that should matter. I
Speaker 1: like uh, I like watching Carson Wentz this year because
Speaker 1: it's so frenetic and all over the place. And post
Speaker 1: fifty four Carson Wentz, you know those last six minutes.
Speaker 1: I was on a text chain with Giants fans Thursday
Speaker 1: night last week, and uh, I said, watch out, guys,
Speaker 1: this guy he might get you in these lass six minutes.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, he throws two touchdown passes, throws for
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty seven yards, and steals that game away.
Speaker 1: And he still has stretches where he's misses open receivers
Speaker 1: and throws a bad pick. But then the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, you see it. You see that guy is
Speaker 1: still there and he's making plays, and like Greg said,
Speaker 1: got it returns they start getting some guys back. Jalen
Speaker 1: reagor um this idea that the NFC East will be
Speaker 1: one by a team that's gonna go with six wins
Speaker 1: or something. I wouldn't stun me if the Eagles right
Speaker 1: the shipping. They're not gonna go crazy, but eight seven
Speaker 1: and one and that's like, okay, that won the division.
Speaker 1: That's where rat though, this is real bad. If if
Speaker 1: the Eagles somehow blow this game, if Benny Delucci goes
Speaker 1: off and they lose this game, this will be the
Speaker 1: lowest the NFC East. We might already be there, but
Speaker 1: like the darkest moment for the NFC East. If there's
Speaker 1: an ugly like twelve ten game, Uh do Nucci wins?
Speaker 1: I mean, if that happens, I would say, put our
Speaker 1: podcast on pause and and dial in Philadelphia talk radio
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. Very true. All right, Finally, Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football another NFC Ah. The New York Giants play
Speaker 1: host to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So at least you
Speaker 1: get the national stage here for the Bucks, who are
Speaker 1: the last three weeks or so, maybe even you go
Speaker 1: big further. Uh really, since that Thursday night game, which
Speaker 1: is a little funky, the one they lost to the
Speaker 1: Chicago they've been the best team in football, and the
Speaker 1: last three quarters against the Packers were dominant and then
Speaker 1: they just absolutely opened up a can of whip himy
Speaker 1: uh in we in week eight against the Raiders. So uh,
Speaker 1: there's no reason to think that Tom Brady, who will
Speaker 1: You know, He's played enough primetime games and enough playoff
Speaker 1: games to last several lifetimes for many players. So it's
Speaker 1: not like this moment is gonna be any different from him.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna continue to thrive, I think. And I'm
Speaker 1: looking to see if this Patriots offense greg keeps on
Speaker 1: firing excuse me, Bucks offense keeps firing on all cylinders
Speaker 1: against the Giants team, which doesn't have a terrible defense
Speaker 1: but probably will be no match for Tampa. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think the Bucks offense matches up beautifully even without
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin. You know what the Giants defense has done
Speaker 1: pretty well without great personnel is slow teams down, make
Speaker 1: them kick field goal, make them work down the field,
Speaker 1: and you know, see if the exposing quarterback makes a
Speaker 1: mistake like that's Tom Brady eats that for breakfast. Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: the former Patriots, maybe he has an idea how to
Speaker 1: slow down tom Brady after being with him all that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters because he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: players the Bucks offensive line. I'm just gonna keep hammering
Speaker 1: it might be the best offensive line in the league.
Speaker 1: You have Tom Brady with the best offensive line in
Speaker 1: the league. He had he got touched one time in
Speaker 1: forty nine dropbacks last week. One QB hit almost a
Speaker 1: Gholston on forty nine dropbacks for Tom Brady. And there's
Speaker 1: no reason to think the Giants pass rush is gonna
Speaker 1: get there. And Gronk moving better is a real thing.
Speaker 1: I think I'm putting this he he's in the moving
Speaker 1: better in October than September. All Star Team. I might
Speaker 1: have to do this as a a written segment or something.
Speaker 1: Guys who are you know, guys improved during the season.
Speaker 1: It happens sometimes they don't start too well. James Conner
Speaker 1: is another one that comes to mind, and they play
Speaker 1: they look a lot better in October. They really the
Speaker 1: Bucks are shy mining and evolving weekly. And it's it's
Speaker 1: I you know, you think about watching football like we
Speaker 1: have for thirty years, and it is. It can't be
Speaker 1: overstated how fascinating of a case study it is for
Speaker 1: Tom Brady to go into a completely new offense um
Speaker 1: at his age and what he's done, and you know,
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks you kind of wondered what
Speaker 1: you were dealing with. But this feels like a legit
Speaker 1: um raging jugger not and I don't I'm not sure
Speaker 1: who's gonna stand in the way. It's not the Giants.
Speaker 1: And of course with the Giants, we've got Will Hernandez,
Speaker 1: who um is on the COVID list right now. We'll
Speaker 1: see what else happens with that. But that's that's part
Speaker 1: of your offensive line, trying to protect Daniel Jones character
Speaker 1: who is not throwing the ball deep. Well, well, it's
Speaker 1: just something. I just feel like the shine is off
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. I was so excited about him and the
Speaker 1: whole offense going into this season, and it's just not
Speaker 1: materialized to the point where if you're a if you're
Speaker 1: a Giant Um front office executive, of any of them
Speaker 1: are even there after this season, You've got to take
Speaker 1: a hard look at that situation at quarterback, depending on
Speaker 1: who else become is available, give him some time. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Jeremiah just on the show, he talked
Speaker 1: about how you want to give a quarterback about two
Speaker 1: and a half seasons, thirty starts or so um that
Speaker 1: that seems fair, but you have to wonder, and I
Speaker 1: crossed my mind, having grown up in New York and
Speaker 1: knowing how the media operates there and just you know,
Speaker 1: covering this hour league long enough, if Jones and like
Speaker 1: this entire era of Giants football is going to be
Speaker 1: remembered for the would be breakaway touchdown run that was
Speaker 1: ruined by that the turf monster, because it wasn't like
Speaker 1: the butt bumble or anything like that, but it was
Speaker 1: a cut type of low light that can define a player.
Speaker 1: And if he's lucky, he has a long career and
Speaker 1: it becomes just something people remember, but it's it doesn't
Speaker 1: stick with him. But if if this doesn't work and
Speaker 1: then they go and they sweep out the Dave Gettleman
Speaker 1: regime and totality, we'll all remember Jones's on and then
Speaker 1: how it ended so cruelly as kind of this was
Speaker 1: Giants football in this time. It was that it was
Speaker 1: that way and oh not for nothing, And Giants fans
Speaker 1: who are listening screaming at the podcast that still believe
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes. Evan Ingram catches a football on third down
Speaker 1: there falling and that's just the way sports are. It sucks,
Speaker 1: But Evan Ingram has been killing him this year with
Speaker 1: drops and not being able to step up his play,
Speaker 1: and that was I mean, that was a season ruining drop. Potentially, well,
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes has played better the last two weeks. I
Speaker 1: thought he played very well in that game. Um the run.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It points out the thing that people don't
Speaker 1: notice that Danny Danny Dimes is one of the fastest
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. He does not have the running instincts,
Speaker 1: so I'm not putting him anywhere near the top five rushers. Um,
Speaker 1: but he's got speed, he's got good throws. I think
Speaker 1: he's played pretty well the last couple of weeks. That
Speaker 1: Thomas is killing them. I mean, you take a tackle
Speaker 1: number four overall, to me, that's that's a bigger Gettleman indictment.
Speaker 1: If that doesn't turn around, then anything, especially uh, when
Speaker 1: you got Jeddrick Wills and and you're you're in McKay
Speaker 1: Beckton and justin Worst they all happen to be hitting
Speaker 1: like the top tackles. They're supposed to be four great tackles.
Speaker 1: Three of them look amazing. One of them is getting
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes killed. Yeah, and you don't have tackles that like, oh,
Speaker 1: in year four, this first round tackle evolves into a
Speaker 1: functional tackle. I got one for you, though, DJ. Just
Speaker 1: DJ just brought up Garrett Balls, who we've kind of
Speaker 1: killed for two years. He's been incredible this year for
Speaker 1: the Bronco. But I would look at like you look
Speaker 1: at the Joe thomas is and the McKay Beckton's, it's
Speaker 1: like you kind of know right away that they're your
Speaker 1: functional starters. I'll tell you one reason you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get a Daniel Jones, uh seventy yards scamper that ends
Speaker 1: up in dirt. I'll tell you right now. Devin White.
Speaker 1: I thought the game he played last week was amazing,
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of things he does athletically closing
Speaker 1: speed to blow up guys in the backfield from like
Speaker 1: eighteen yards away. There aren't that many players that can
Speaker 1: do that. And so there's this defense is just so
Speaker 1: functional in their in their studious and they're kind of
Speaker 1: remind me of the offense kind of growing each week.
Speaker 1: And think about the butterfly effect. Just circling back to uh,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady before we um close things out, I think
Speaker 1: back to about entering Week sixteen of last year, the
Speaker 1: Patriots with with Brady, we're steaming towards another UM playoff
Speaker 1: by and obviously the a f C East title over
Speaker 1: in Tampa. Jamis Winston had been up and down as
Speaker 1: the oases, but it was up enough where I remember
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians clearly remember Arians, or they're being a report
Speaker 1: out there entering week sixteen. I think it was ahead
Speaker 1: of a Saturday Football UH week Week sixteen game for
Speaker 1: the Bucks. You know, he's not going anywhere. Winston's still
Speaker 1: the guy. Then Winston totally bombs out in that Saturday game,
Speaker 1: bombs out again in Week seventeen with the pick six
Speaker 1: to end the season, and all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: sour on him finally. Meanwhile, with the Patriots, they lose
Speaker 1: Week seventeen to the Dolphins, lose the by, then go
Speaker 1: to UH and lose the game to the Titans, and
Speaker 1: that sours the situation in New England and page the
Speaker 1: way for the divorce of the Patriots and Brady. All
Speaker 1: these things had to conspire together to get Tom Brady
Speaker 1: now in Tampa with the best offensive line of football,
Speaker 1: with all these skilled players, with Bruce Arians butterfly effect. Man.
Speaker 1: But I've got I've got it. Addistance for you on
Speaker 1: this one too, The Raiders, John, you know the Bucks
Speaker 1: did it to you again, John Gruden. If Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: hadn't played that well, tom Brady's leaving New England. No
Speaker 1: matter what I'm can, I'm a hundred percent convincing that
Speaker 1: he'd be he'd be a Las Vegas Raider, the Raider.
Speaker 1: I'd be lighting it up with Tom Brady. That's what
Speaker 1: I That's what I bet. All right, good stuff, good stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll be back on Sunday night to recap every
Speaker 1: game we just broke down. And yes, if you catch
Speaker 1: this um during the weekend or a little later, just
Speaker 1: know that the Thursday night recap also where we go
Speaker 1: to go over Panthers and the Falcons. Okay, there we go,
Speaker 1: got it out? Does Day have to sign it out? Four? Uh?
Speaker 1: The Old Boss, the Quiet Storm, Daniel Jeremiah, thank you,
Speaker 1: buddy for stopping by Still Sunday